The Moral and Mental Degeneration of Pat McKinley

Way out here at the end of Screech Owl Road it gets pretty quiet. With the exception of the wind and the occasional rotor-thump of the Marine helicopter squadrons you have few distractions to clutter your thoughts. And lately I’ve been giving some thought to Pat McKinley, former Fullerton Police Chief, and now city councilman.

Lookin' out for the ladies, oh yeah!

Back in October the Friends were treated to one of the most startling revelations of moral failure imaginable when McKinley was cornered at a women’s club lecture on self-defense, and was asked to explain what women should do when a cop like Albert Rincon attacks them in the backseat of a police patrol car. See, McKinley hired Rincon and despite numerous complaints Rincon stayed on streets, eventually getting the City embroiled in a civil suit and earning the wrath of a respected federal judge.

McKinley’s shocking response to the Soroptimists:  “Those ladies aren’t like you;” and the sexual battery was only “inappropriate touching;” “not a good thing, but it ain’t a dangerous thing.”   “Call Chief” is what McKinley recommended women do when sexually battered by a Fullerton cop! No FFFF didn’t make that up. Here’s the video.

Later, McKinley tried to wriggle out of his statements by explaining that what he really meant to say was that the women in question were not “credible,” the implication being that he, McKinley, was the proper judge to determine what sort of women are credible or not. Given that as Chief, McKinley hired a virtual rogues gallery and gave them all badges and guns, it’s sort of hard to imagine why anybody would consider McKinley an authority on moral credibility. McKinley’s lame defenders actually put out the word that McKinley had somehow been tricked into saying all those awful things.

But now consider this inescapable fact: the Fullerton City Council just agreed to pay out $350,000 to only two of these “not credible” women. What the Hell? If McKinley believed they were not credible why on Earth did the City consent to settle? Maybe it had something to do with the harsh upbraiding the Fullerton Police Department received courtesy of Judge Andrew Guilford. If it did, you would think the taxpayers of Fullerton were due an apology from somebody. Anybody.

I also note then when asked by David Nazar if he was proud of the Fullerton PD, he immediately said yes, hesitated, and then added “except for the two.” Since I presume he was referring to Manny Ramos and Jay Cicinelli, we can conclude that he has no regrets about hiring Albert Rincon in the first place.

It’s about time the anti-recallers get their stories straight because you can’t have it both ways. Either McKinley is a disgusting misogynist or he’s losing his marbles. Well, gee, maybe it’s both.

89 Replies to “The Moral and Mental Degeneration of Pat McKinley”

  1. Let’s also not forget when the interviewer (forgot name) on the O.C. Stories video asked him what Ron Thomas was trying to ask him previously: “When did Ramos and Cicinellli turn from police officers to murderers?”
    McKInley’s answer was “I guarantee Ramos and Ciss did not intend to kill Kelly Thomas, but just wait until the trial. The trial should be vereyt interesting. John Barnett, Ramos’ attorney is highly competent.”
    STILL TRYING TO PROTECT HIS INSTITUTION DESPITE HIS COPS MURDERING AN INNOCENT PERSON.
    Go ahead RI, blast away.

    1. Yes, that statement was very revealing. Cueball was already sorry for throwing Ramos and Cicinelli under the bus.

      Guess what, chrome dome? Too late! They’re going to prison sooner or later and so is Wolfe. And you’re going to get your sorry shrivelled ass reamed on the witness stand for hiring the one-eyed goon.

  2. I see Jim Williams has stepped up with an anti-recall piece to help his pal Larry Bennett.

    http://protectfullerton-recallno.com/community_speak_out_details.php?id=10

    I like this part the best. Jim seems to believe that Jones/Bankhead/McKinley allow the protesters to speak merely out of the kindness of their hearts. What Jim fails to comprehend is California Law REQUIRES a public comment session at these meetings.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yet council members have kept their cool, and out of respect for freedom of speech and public comment, continue to afford their detractors a venue for their angry voices. They have endured the irrational behavior, slanderous remarks and appalling threats of a few loud voices. They need our support!

    1. “We must never surrender Fullerton to anyone’s ambition to serve a single ideology or promote their self-serving political agenda.”

      Huh? Whose agenda? This actually sounds like he is talking about the Fullerton City Council and the corrupt FPD.

      That’s another tactic. The self-serving agenda of Fullerton, FPD and all their supporters is $$$$$$$$$$!!

    2. We are a republic with a bill of rights including the first amendment. Deal with the tirades. City employees brought this on. It amazes me how the conscience of SO MANY are not intact or are just plain dark. Fullerton has become what it is as a result of many factors. One is many hard working decent people. Another is the economy over the last 50 years primarily the result of the strong US dollar. Another is its geography. In addition defense jobs, and expensive government jobs all played a role in shaping the demographics.All those schools and colleges are there because of the taxpayers of the State of California and not the council. The hospital is there because of Jesuit philanthropy. The council has not made this city what it is but rather has ridden the coat tails of prosperity and rather hard at that. What happened to Kelly and what followed was an outrage and an insult to any human being with a conscience . The lies and BS keep flowing. Sounds like this guy is trying to ride this tiger. It always bites back so be careful. The taking of an innocent human life is the pinnacle of debauchery. This was a murder plain and simple. Last time I checked, murder and covering up a murder was a felony and public outrage is par for the course so deal with it. This guy is spinning it at 78 rpms. This patronization exemplifies the sheer desire to be going down the slippery slope on a toboggan. Way too many restaurant meals and cocktails.

    1. just read your comment (frustation) about the timeline.I feel the sameway but there is actually a timeline. I read about it in the The Fullerton Tribune. They laid it all out .how the recall works and how long it takes. It takes a long times. Like a year. The wheels of justice turn slowly.

  3. Another blathering ‘Recall No’ idiot who is unable to cite specifics in his claims about the Recall Yes people. What another douche!

  4. FPD has had free reign, with little to no oversight for decades. I don’t think it began with McKinley. Some of our chiefs have been more responsible and moral than McKinley; but face it, you could go back to Bornhoft to see the PD was an autonomous entity within the city. Fullerton needs to look a little farther away than LAPD for its next chief. Does the next chief have to be a cop, at all??

  5. I don’t know McKinley like many of you do. I hope he was a better public speaker a few years back?

    Because this video suggests he is losing his mind from old age, under the influence of alcohol or drugs, he is a terrible public speaker.

    OH MY GOD, his comments about the incident brought forth is beyond comprehension in a public officials explanation of misconduct.

    The residents of Fullerton have themselves a real winner.

    I can only imagine what this guy was like behind the closed door of his office when he was a Chief.

    I’d be real surprised if this guy didn’t have a load of baggage when he left LAPD back in the day.

    But it appears this man has a PhD in bullshit, that is for sure.

    Time for this old cob to go play golf and leave the public spotlight.

    1. “But it appears this man has a PhD in bullshit, that is for sure.”

      Just like R.I. Perhaps they are one and the same person.

      1. No. RI is more the ilk of ACU. They both try to educate. They would agree on half, and disagree on half. To watch the debate would be a worthy dedication of time.

  6. AntiCorruptionUnit :
    I don’t know McKinley like many of you do. I hope he was a better public speaker a few years back?

    You have no idea…EVERY time he opens his mouth he puts his foot in it. He really needs to be gone like a fart in the wind.

  7. Concerning Jim Williams, let me offer this test question:

    You ask the opinion of an insurance agent

    A) When you perceive that it is time to make a change in the status quo at great and unpredictable risk.

    B) You want to insure the staus quo that hs already been earned and achieved against any future unforseeable loss or change.

  8. So….after many appeals to city council and the police I still havent seen a foto of the stellar Mckinley Hire Rincon…last city council the city attrny threw out a few lines re the repeated request of Rincons foto…they are NOT going to give us a foto of a sex offender, he was never charged, but we paid a butt load of cash to the non credible ladies. shame on all of em.

  9. Dr. ott had it right: the lies, the self-indulgent recreation of reality, the megalomania. McKinley is one sick puppy.

  10. It is clear, that there those of us who live in the flat lands, and there are the ones who live on the hill. Why does it appear the ones who live on the hill, are so confrontable, with the 3 very corrupt council members? And how, do they explain that one of them has already been recalled once?

    1. I grew up half-way up the hill. In high school, my friends who lived close to Anaheim used to refer to the area as “the salt flats”.

      In the late 70’s, I used to joke that Anaheim annexted the Anaheim Hills because the Anaheim Councilmen coveted the hillside homes of their Fullerton conterparts. By the 1980’s, Aaheim was ruled from Anaheim Hills.

      1. The hill’s water is a blend of well and imported. The imported water from the MWD contains a lot of bizarre disinfectants-could have something to do with their attitudes. They say the water is better down here.

  11. vw type 53a :

    AntiCorruptionUnit :
    I don’t know McKinley like many of you do. I hope he was a better public speaker a few years back?

    You have no idea…EVERY time he opens his mouth he puts his foot in it. He really needs to be gone like a fart in the wind.

    Well I doubt he will play a part in the criminal trial because he wasn’t the Chief at the time of Kelly’s death.

    The civil case might be another story ,and I would want to depo McKinley like a hungry dog wants a bone. I could see McKinley getting his ass handed to him on a number of issues.

    I start there attempting to paint the “culture of corruption” picture and go from there.

    Unfortunately I don’t think the civil case will ever go to trail. Guys like McKinley would just make the damages rise higher than the national debt when all was said and done.

    This guy is NOT the sharpest tool in the shed when explaining REAL world issues before us. Not to a jury of working class citizens who have been around the block once or twice.

    Steve Brow thank you for the words. If you have the ear of the administrators here, please fill them in on a few things so they know what’s up.
    Thank you.

    1. I don’t have their ear yet. I have made a couple of attempts. I will make a third attempt tommorrow. At least rhey know who I am.

  12. cg :
    It is clear, that there those of us who live in the flat lands, and there are the ones who live on the hill. Why does it appear the ones who live on the hill, are so confrontable, with the 3 very corrupt council members? And how, do they explain that one of them has already been recalled once?

    Because those on the hill are getting something from the 3 in the city council. Age old back stratching, the back stratcher is MONEY.

    Remember what McKinley said about the women in the back seat of the patrol cars are “different” from you.

    You flatlanders are “different” from those on the hill. I bet that fool told some of his friends on the hill the same analogy, LOL!!!!

  13.  
    RON THOMAS
    Master Instructor

    The Japanese call Jujitsu “The ultimate Martial Art”. It is also called the gentle art because once mastered, it takes little effort to defend yourself. This is a serious-hand to hand “combat” martial art taught to Police Officers, Navy Seals, and the U.S. Army’s Special Forces / Rangers.

    Jujitsu is the forerunner for Aikido and Judo. Some of the techniques that are taught at the West Coast Jujitsu Club are throws, joint locks, escapes, chokes, ground fighting, knife-gun-club defense, multiple attacker defense and child anti-abduction.

    This class is taught by former U.S. Army Ranger and Orange County Deputy Sheriff, Sensei Ron Thomas, Master Instructor of the West Coast Jujitsu Club. Sensei Thomas started his Martial Arts training in 1973 with Tang-Soo-Do Karate, as well as his Ranger training. Sensei Thomas also holds a red belt in Hapkido and his black belt in Danzan Ryu Jujitsu.

    Having trained with many other instructors from different martial arts throughout the united states that specialize in women’s self defense/rape defense, Sensei Thomas has become an expert in this field. He has designed and teaches a very straight-forward and effective class for women. He has taught the sororities of Cal state long beach, as well as for the cities of Seal Beach, Garden Grove, and Laguna Hills, CA. He also specializes in and teaches arrest and control techniques for law enforcement.

    I wonder if Ron ever taught any Fullerton Cops?

    1. Don’t know, Polliwog, but from the beginning Ron Thomas said that he knew from his training that the tactics used on his son were unprofessional and just bad.

      I don’t normally try to bust blog ID’s, but are you Polly?

    1. Wolfe will become an alien. Hampton too. And Blatney and Klein. Rincon will soon be an official alien. And Mejia. And Mater and Thayer and Nguyen – aliens, all!

  14. Yawn, I just checked Bruce Whitaker’s salary, and benefits from the state. It comes to $105,500, clearly in the $100K plus club. Add to that his Council salary, and benefits of $30,400, this dude is cruising the light fantastic, at over $130 K. Add to that the state gives him lifetime medical benefits, while City employees only get benefits till age 65. Whoa, Bruce, and you were pissed that Nelson didn’t pick up your sorry ass at the even better County benefits, and salary. Dude kiss my ass!

    1. Oh great the pigs finally decide to count up TOTAL benefits as compensation. Too bad you don’t apply that to your sweating selves. Goodfat would be well-over two hundred G.s

      Whitaker has been working for the government for 8 paltry years. His pension pay out will be dinky.

    2. Pathetic, Mr. GED cop. If he’s luck Whitaker might end up with a couple thousand a month in pension.

      McPension makes $18,000 every single month; meanwhile his dereliction in hiring thugs, con-men, pickpockets, sex perverts, pill-poppers, perjurers, one-eyed nuts and murderers is going to end up costing us millions!

  15. from Fullerton Stories , 21st September 2011 Council Approves Homeless and Mental Health Task Force
    “We have a capable person in Rusty Kennedy as CEO and he could direct and determine anybody else they would need on the task force,” McKinley argued. “I think going through a long process of selection would dilute it.”

    birds of a feather flock together and how does Pat Mckinley ,the moral degenerate, know Rusty Kennedy is capable of directing and determining this task force whose intent is to divert the culpability away from Pat McKinley and his hand-picked rogue police force that beat, molested and murdered the public they vowed to serve and protect.
    How does pat McKinley know Rusty Kennedy , CEO of the Orange County Human Relations Commission(OCHRC), will run interference between fullerton city council and Fullerton Police Department? Because Pat McKinley was the only representative of law enforcement on Rusty”s OCHRC board for long-time.
    My question is have other Orange County police departments abused the civil rights of the public only to have it quietly and cheaply written off by forming “task forces” by these same two, Rusty Kennedy and Pat McKinley.
    Just an extrapolation from what I have read from various media sources

  16. How does pat McKinley know Rusty Kennedy , CEO of the Orange County Human Relations Commission(OCHRC), will run interference between fullerton city council and Fullerton Police Department and public outrage? Because Pat McKinley was the only representative of law enforcement on Rusty”s OCHRC board for long-time.

    Just an extrapolation from what I have read from various media sources

    1. The fact that all OCHRC did was forward complaints to the FPD. Interference? I don’t think so. If I were nervous about handing a complaint in to the FPD in person, I would have a friend or family member do it. What a waste of a program, really nothing more than a prop.

      __________________________________

      Complaints: They can go to variety of agencies
      The Orange County Register – Monday, July 27, 1987
      Author: Barry Klein; Michael A. Lednovich; Donna Wares ; The Register

      “From 1983 through 1985, according to state Department of Justice statistics, police in Orange County found some justification for about 20 percent of all complaints filed against them.

      Orange County Human Relations Commission. — The agency, an arm of the county Board of Supervisors, is an alternative for people who may feel too intimidated to register an excessive-force complaint directly with the police, said Rusty Kennedy , the commission’s executive director.

      Kennedy said the agency does not judge the merits of the complaint; it simply forwards it to the appropriate police department. From 1983 through 1986, the commission received at least 334 complaints alleging excessive force by police in Orange County. “

      1. 1985 times? Jesus. Use current stats please. Or maybe you were just showing that the old politicians were dirty back then? Police force has changed big time since the 80’s, even the 90’s. In 1985 era I don’t think much was done about minor police abuses. 1991 was a big time for change.

        Would be interesting to see what the 20% figure is now though. It might be even lower. So many made up complaints these days which would lower that figure. Much easier to prove the made up ones with the use of audio and video alone.

        Let us know the 2000-2010 figures when you find them.

        1. Not to worry. I’m just showing some background for those who don’t know. Rusty Kennedy and the OCHRC have been on the scene for a long time, but out to lunch, so to speak.

          And by the way, current stats are at least a year old if and when I find them.

          1. Perfect. I would love to see what kind of force stats come up from LA and Orange County. I’ve never seen stats like those released. I didn’t even know that counties brought those type of stats together.

          2. Rusty Kennedy used to brag that his first duty upon arriving to his CEO job was to read the comics in the local paper. When the movie Nickelodeon first came out, it lured movie goers with only charging a nickel admission price. On company time, Rusty stood in line for hours to get a nickel movie ticket for a later viewing date.
            Out ot lunch? More like out for the day but still get the pay.

      2. In its inception in the late 1970’s, the Orange County Human Relations Commission was a creation of the Orange County Board of Supervisors and Rusty Kennedy was selected as its director. When Orange County went bankrupt in 1994, the OCHRC was forced to re-invent itself as a punlic/private partnership, recieving a prtion fo its funding from the Orange County government and some from contracts and donors. I have not versed myself in the legal format of the specific operation.

        How the OCHRC is organized today is a worthy topic of study in political science. I know that they contract with the court system to provide mediation services. I know that they are free to provide services that are not directly under the control of the Orange County Board of Supervisors. I know that the way they opperated in the 1980’s is markedly different from the way they opperate today.

        1. “I know that the way they operated in the 1980′s is markedly different from the way they operate today.”

          In what way?

          1. I don’t know. It sounds good, but really, a national model? Do the people of Orange County feel that this model has helped THEM?

            Relations Panel Director Joins White House Talk
            November 10, 1997

            Rusty Kennedy, executive director of the Orange County Human Relations Commission, is in Washington to attend a conference today sponsored by the White House.

            Kennedy said he will share information about the county’s Hate Crime Network, which he calls a “national model of collaboration between police and residents to document, respond to and prevent hate-related crimes and incidents.”

          2. My point was that the OCHRC is no longer an arm of the Orange County Board of Supervisors. When I say that the organizaton is a worthy study in political science, it is stated out of a growing suspicion of public/private partnerships in general.

            I am not saying that the work of the OCHRC is worthy or not worthy. I am saying that as a student of government, I am curious as to precisely how such organizations are formed, from where they derived any percieved or real authority, and how that authority is conveyed to guide or control the people.

            I do continue to support the Kennedys as cousins. Here I only chime in to promote accuracy concerning the Kennedys. Rusty never asked for my help running the OCHRC. Ralph and Sharon never asked for my help running the Fullerton Observer and seemed not to listen when I told them anyway. It does not bother me for you to have your own opinion on the value of their work.

  17. looking for homeless rooster … email is broken , shrug, 323 phone should work, call me,

    and to get on topic,

    pat mckinly, would ne better off if he were never born, lets tke back our fuckin fullerton, this shit is out of controll

  18. Vernon Dozier :
    I see Jim Williams has stepped up with an anti-recall piece to help his pal Larry Bennett.
    http://protectfullerton-recallno.com/community_speak_out_details.php?id=10
    I like this part the best. Jim seems to believe that Jones/Bankhead/McKinley allow the protesters to speak merely out of the kindness of their hearts. What Jim fails to comprehend is California Law REQUIRES a public comment session at these meetings.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Yet council members have kept their cool, and out of respect for freedom of speech and public comment, continue to afford their detractors a venue for their angry voices. They have endured the irrational behavior, slanderous remarks and appalling threats of a few loud voices. They need our support!

    The tone of that letter may sound like a sincere effort to help an old friend, however it should be noted that Jim Williams has been a frequent contributor to all three City Councilman’s campaigns in the past elections, so it appears to me that Jim Williams letter of appeal is nothing more than a last ditch effort to protect all of the money that he has invested in his councilman.

  19. #35 by havegunwilltravel on December 1, 2011

    Yawn, I just checked Bruce Whitaker’s salary, and benefits from the state. It comes to $105,500, clearly in the $100K plus club. Add to that his Council salary, and benefits of $30,400, this dude is cruising the light fantastic, at over $130 K. Add to that the state gives him lifetime medical benefits, while City employees only get benefits till age 65. Whoa, Bruce, and you were pissed that Nelson didn’t pick up your sorry ass at the even better County benefits, and salary. Dude kiss my ass!

    Total bullshit…. DimWhitaker gets paid for coming up with hair brain ideas for Wife beater, dope smoking Norby, what a job. 220k per year with Beni’s.

  20. Not much noise from Chris Thompson lately?
    Those Hydrocodones makes a guy mellow. The bottle must be getting low, time for another trip to Doctor Feel Good then CVS.
    Try them with your favorite mixed spirits. That will surly make you forget how many newly registered voters are living in your garage.

    1. I remember Rusty Kennedy’s, the CEO of fullerton’s task force on the homeless and CEO of the Orange county Human Relations Commission, father, Ralph Kennedy ran for fullerton city council in the 1970’s . He may have won except for the fact that he was exposed for registration fraud where family members and friends of the family were attemptin to vote by absentee ballot or in person who did not live in Fullerton

  21. Not much noise from Chris Thompson lately?
    Those Hydrocodones makes a guy mellow. The bottle must be getting low, time for another trip to Doctor Feel Good then CVS.
    Try them with your favorite mixed spirits. That will surly make you forget how many newly registered voters are living in your garage.

    1. For sure. That’s already been said. That will be a long portion of the trial. All the Doctors saying what caused death. We already heard the civil cases side of that argument. They put it up on a big board already. We already know the Coroner’s opinion on cause of death. That will go round and round for weeks probably in trial. Big part of the case for sure.

  22. Vernon Dozier :
    I see Jim Williams has stepped up with an anti-recall piece to help his pal Larry Bennett.
    http://protectfullerton-recallno.com/community_speak_out_details.php?id=10
    I like this part the best. Jim seems to believe that Jones/Bankhead/McKinley allow the protesters to speak merely out of the kindness of their hearts. What Jim fails to comprehend is California Law REQUIRES a public comment session at these meetings.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Yet council members have kept their cool, and out of respect for freedom of speech and public comment, continue to afford their detractors a venue for their angry voices. They have endured the irrational behavior, slanderous remarks and appalling threats of a few loud voices. They need our support!

    …I also noticed that Jim Williams wife, Sally, is listed on one of F. Dick Jones campaign disclosure forms as someone that was paid by his campaign for her services rendered for a “Fundraising Event” in support of F.Dick Jones successful bid that year for City Councilman.
    Pat McKinley is also listed as a donor, as are the Fullerton Police Officers Association’s PAC.

  23. Since I’m the one in this video asking McKinley the questions, allow me to clear a few things up.

    A few council meetings ago, McKinley said he should have stated the reality (he seems to have problems with reality but I digress…) is that the women who made the complaints against Rincon were not credible. Go back and watch this video again, listen closely. He apparently forgot that he did say it. If he didn’t lie so much, he wouldn’t have to worry about his memory issues…but again, I digress… You’ll hear my comment to this that Rincon’s M.O. was to target women of little to zero credibility.

    He also claimed during this speech that he recognized us but hoped we were there to benefit from his course. Again, watch the video. He absolutely did not recognize me (even though he and wife stopped by my recall table a month earlier). Had he recognized me, his guard would have been up as it was with another woman he did recognize and he surely would not have shot himself in the foot before sticking it firmly in his mouth. What you don’t see on the video is the beginning of my questioning him. I led in with saying I wanted to touch on something that the other woman brought up (the one he did recognize who mentioned Rincon) and with the then-recent news story of the guy in San Bernardino who was impersonating cops and raping women and continued with saying and we actually have a real cop here in Fullerton who had sexually assaulted women. I asked what do we do when it’s happening in the back of a squad car. The rest is what you see on the video. We all sat apart so he had no idea I knew the woman who first questioned him even though I did.

    My questions were deliberate and intentional but even I did not expect what was to come out of McKinley’s mouth. I’m surprised to hear anyone would be so stupid as to say he only said the wrong things because I set him up. He said the wrongs things, alright but being caught off guard without time to think, he said what he truly felt. Even his wife was heard to say in dismay, “oh no” as he babbled on.

    I have no doubt McKinley hates me more than anyone right now. Sucks to be him.

    btw, I’m also the one who Bankhead and his wife harassed at our recall table at Ralphs (along with my friend, L and per one their employees, went to THREE employees demanding they remove us aka break the law on his behalf.

      1. oh Doc…I’m wicked smart, wicked funny, maybe a few other wicked things…lol lol lol (and for those who might catch my typo’s, I speak wicked Tyonese!)

        1. I’d love to see more footage of McPension sticking his pata in his mouth. I’m sure it’s out there. Come on 4F show us more footage of the psycho. I heard he re-sighted poetry to the helpless ladies and even the wicked ones.

  24. Fullerton Resident :Wolfe will become an alien. Hampton too. And Blatney and Klein. Rincon will soon be an official alien. And Mejia. And Mater and Thayer and Nguyen – aliens, all!

    You keep saying Klein.There was no Klein involved…. nimwit.

  25. You guys will like the PDs statement. Picture Goodrich.

    Good work Las Vegas PD.

    LAS VEGAS — Las Vegas police have released the mugshot and criminal history of a man shot and killed by officers on Monday night.

    Police say 37-year-old Bernard Pate was shot and killed by Gang Crime detectives on Monday evening near Karen Avenue and Lamb Boulevard. Police say they tried to talk to Pate and he took off on foot. Shots were fired and Pate struck in the upper-left back area of his body. He died at the scene. Police say they found a gun laying near his body.

    “If officers go out and talk to someone who they believe to be conducting criminal activity, if person runs, of course they are going to pursue and investigate this crime to the fullest,” said Metro Gang Crimes Lt. Chris Pecko.

    Pate has an extensive police record, including arrests for attempted lewdness with a minor, attempted robbery, attempted burglary, open and gross lewdness, annoyance of a mentally challenged minor, lewdness with a minor under the age of 14 years, unlawful contact with the mentally ill, and battery, domestic violence. He is also a registered sex offender.

    Police have been sending officers into the apartment complex where the shooting happened to suppress drug crimes that had been happening in the area.

    “That particular complex had come up on our radar, not only due to our own encounters with other gang members but with other service complaints and so forth,” said Lt. Pecko.

    But there are still many questions on what exactly happened on Monday night. Police said a gun was found next to the suspect, but was it his? The suspect was also shot in the back, so was he running away and not posing a threat?

    Metro says someone could still be a threat with their back to police and authorities have to use their best judgement.

    This is the 17th officer-involved shooting of the year for Metro and the 11th fatal shooting.  The officer involved in the shooting is on paid administration leave.

    1. I found this link to an article in the Times for you from a couple of months ago. The article quotes the Mayor as saying that he doesn’t believe that there is much of a future for the Chief in the city, and that the residents of Fullerton are still on the hook for his $19,000.00 a month salary for up to a year until the Chief figures out a way to go on disability permanantly.
      If this guy was a soldier he would have been shot in the back by his peers for walking away and abandoning his post in a time of crisis, and instead, he becomes a poster boy/role model for how law enforcement officers game the system to screw the same people that they’ve sworn to protect squarely in our backsides.
      http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/08/fullerton-police-chief.html

      1. “Two of the council members have publicly called for the chief’s resignation. Jones was not one of them, and praised the chief’s 35 years in law enforcement, but added, “Unfortunately, now we had a [public] perception that he had failed.”

        “The city was notified Wednesday by Sellers’ doctor that the embattled chief would be taking a medical leave of unspecified duration.”

        Thanks Fullerton Lover, very telling- look how grandpa Jones feels the peoples perception is of Sellers. as if he didnt fail, but thats how the public sees it (us uneducated people)

  26. Reality Is :You guys will like the PDs statement. Picture Goodrich.
    Good work Las Vegas PD.
    LAS VEGAS — Las Vegas police have released the mugshot and criminal history of a man shot and killed by officers on Monday night.
    Police say 37-year-old Bernard Pate was shot and killed by Gang Crime detectives on Monday evening near Karen Avenue and Lamb Boulevard. Police say they tried to talk to Pate and he took off on foot. Shots were fired and Pate struck in the upper-left back area of his body. He died at the scene. Police say they found a gun laying near his body.
    “If officers go out and talk to someone who they believe to be conducting criminal activity, if person runs, of course they are going to pursue and investigate this crime to the fullest,” said Metro Gang Crimes Lt. Chris Pecko.
    Pate has an extensive police record, including arrests for attempted lewdness with a minor, attempted robbery, attempted burglary, open and gross lewdness, annoyance of a mentally challenged minor, lewdness with a minor under the age of 14 years, unlawful contact with the mentally ill, and battery, domestic violence. He is also a registered sex offender.
    Police have been sending officers into the apartment complex where the shooting happened to suppress drug crimes that had been happening in the area.
    “That particular complex had come up on our radar, not only due to our own encounters with other gang members but with other service complaints and so forth,” said Lt. Pecko.
    But there are still many questions on what exactly happened on Monday night. Police said a gun was found next to the suspect, but was it his? The suspect was also shot in the back, so was he running away and not posing a threat?
    Metro says someone could still be a threat with their back to police and authorities have to use their best judgement.
    This is the 17th officer-involved shooting of the year for Metro and the 11th fatal shooting.  The officer involved in the shooting is on paid administration leave.

    Yeah…thats what I’m talking about. You run, you loose.

  27. Justice for ALL :Tip: it’s “LOSE,” not “loose.” (You obviously need all the help you can get.)

    Loose, smoose. You got what I was talking about. Stop being so critical. Now what?

  28. Anonymous :

    Justice for ALL :Tip: it’s “LOSE,” not “loose.” (You obviously need all the help you can get.)
    Loose, smoose. You got what I was talking about. Stop being so critical. Now what?

    Ok, I got it. Like you got a loose screw. Ok looser, I mean loser.

    1. No, Loser. Don’t worry, I’ll help you again. The correct grammar is: “Like you HAVE a loose screw.”

      (I know you can’t help it; after all, you’re probably related to R.I. He can’t teach you what he doesn’t know.)

  29. Justice for ALL :No, Loser. Don’t worry, I’ll help you again. The correct grammar is: “Like you HAVE a loose screw.”
    (I know you can’t help it; after all, you’re probably related to R.I. He can’t teach you what he doesn’t know.)

    Thats what i said…get it right.

  30. Polliwog : RON THOMASMaster Instructor
    The Japanese call Jujitsu “The ultimate Martial Art”. It is also called the gentle art because once mastered, it takes little effort to defend yourself. This is a serious-hand to hand “combat” martial art taught to Police Officers, Navy Seals, and the U.S. Army’s Special Forces / Rangers.
    Jujitsu is the forerunner for Aikido and Judo. Some of the techniques that are taught at the West Coast Jujitsu Club are throws, joint locks, escapes, chokes, ground fighting, knife-gun-club defense, multiple attacker defense and child anti-abduction.
    This class is taught by former U.S. Army Ranger and Orange County Deputy Sheriff, Sensei Ron Thomas, Master Instructor of the West Coast Jujitsu Club. Sensei Thomas started his Martial Arts training in 1973 with Tang-Soo-Do Karate, as well as his Ranger training. Sensei Thomas also holds a red belt in Hapkido and his black belt in Danzan Ryu Jujitsu.
    Having trained with many other instructors from different martial arts throughout the united states that specialize in women’s self defense/rape defense, Sensei Thomas has become an expert in this field. He has designed and teaches a very straight-forward and effective class for women. He has taught the sororities of Cal state long beach, as well as for the cities of Seal Beach, Garden Grove, and Laguna Hills, CA. He also specializes in and teaches arrest and control techniques for law enforcement.
    I wonder if Ron ever taught any Fullerton Cops?

    Wow..he sounds like the other Sensai Ron Thomas from the karate kid. They are both ju-jitsu professionals. They must know each other. Maybe ill email the real Sensai and tell him he has someone trying to be him.

  31. those 3 buzzards up for recall reminded me of the 3 headed dragons I would see in medevil scottish stories-fire breathing and stupid

    fbd

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