The Man Who Scuffled With Police; The Man Who Scuffled With The truth

Let us flash back to the early stages of the FPD’s attempted coverup of the Kelly Thomas killing. Here’s the FPD’s version of the story, as passed along from Sergeant Andrew Goodrich via the uncurious OC Register.

This story came out the day after the beating, even before Kelly was taken off life support, and the dissimulation was already well underway. Months would pass before the DA’s revelation that an innocent man had been beaten to death under color of authority.

And speaking of color I have helpfully highlighted in bold red statements and assertions from Andrew Goodrich that were flat-out lies.

Man who scuffled with police still in critical condition

The 37-year-old man, believed to be a transient, is suspected of auto burglary, police said.

By SEAN EMERY / THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

FULLERTON – A man suspected of trying to burglarized cars remains hospitalized with life-threatening injuries after police say he fought with officers trying to search him.

Authorities say Kelly Thomas, 37, injured several officers who tried to detain him Tuesday night, while family members allege that police used excessive force in taking him into custody.

About 8:30 p.m. Tuesday, officers went to investigate reports of a man trying to burglarize cars in a parking lot next to the bus deport in the 100 block of South Pomona Avenue, Fullerton police Sgt. Andrew Goodrich said.

Officers spotted a shirtless man with a beard, shorts and a backpack who they suspected of being involved in the attempted burglaries, Goodrich said.

The man began to fight officers as they tried to search him, Goodrich said.

“We don’t know why he was so combative and resistant to the officers, but it took upwards of five to six officers to subdue him,” Goodrich said.

During the scuffle, Thomas suffered head and neck injuries and was taken to a hospital, where he was listed in critical condition, Goodrich said.

Two officers suffered moderate injuries during the fight, including broken bones. They were treated at a hospital and released.

It was unclear if the officers used non-lethal weapons to subdue Thomas.

“According to his family, he has a history of mental illness,” Goodrich said, adding that he is a transient in Fullerton and surrounding cities.

Ron Thomas, Kelly Thomas’ father, said his son was homeless by choice and had been diagnosed with schizophrenia.

“When (police) rolled up, he was by a vehicle. They wanted to search his backpack, and he turned on them,” Ron Thomas said.

Thomas contended that his son’s injuries were the result of an “extreme use of force” by officers, who he believes “slammed” his son’s head and face into the ground. Based on his son’s injuries, Ron Thomas believes officers “took his legs out from under him while pushing him downward.”

“They have all the training, they have the weapons, they have the Tasers, and he is 160 pounds, barehanded,” Thomas said.

Thomas is on life-support, his father said, with doctors telling the family that he likely suffered brain damage.

I can understand why a father would say that, but we are going to do a thorough investigation,” Goodrich said of Thomas’ comments. “Some of our officers also went to the hospital due to injuries they suffered. Sometimes when we take people into custody who don’t want to go into custody, we have to use force. It is never the preferred way of doing things.”

Goodrich said police are conducting a criminal investigation into the attempted burglaries, as well as an internal investigation into the officers’ actions.

“It’s always unfortunate when someone is injured, and we do what we can to minimize injuries whenever possible,” Goodrich said.

So did Goodrich ever suffer any consequences for all this unadulterated bullshit? Of course not, for this is Fullerton government where there is no accountability for malfeasance, and nobody in officialdom finds it objectionable that the official City spokesman has not even a passing familiarity with the truth. Of course it could be argued that Goodrich was just a useful idiot in the service of a cover up of an event about which he was largely misinformed by his fellow union members or their (and his superiors)

Either way the whole thing stinks. And any way you slice it looks like a cover up.

247 thoughts on “The Man Who Scuffled With Police; The Man Who Scuffled With The truth

  1. Adam

    What a great read. I’d like to be overly pedantic and look at this lie in particular:

    “We don’t know why he was so combative and resistant to the officers, but it took upwards of five to six officers to subdue him,” Goodrich said.

    Why did I choose this line? Goodrich apparently claimed it took UPWARDS of five to six officers. Apparently Goodrich is unaware (surprise!) that the word “upwards” indicates a number GREATER than those referenced. Given that there were only 6 police on the scene, the idea that it took MORE than 6 officers is either 1) a flat out lie or 2) a great indicator of Goodrich’s lack-of-a-grasp on the English language

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    1. I SPY

      LIARS have their tongues cut out in some parts of the world!! These LIARS need a deterrent they obviously had bad upbringing.

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      1. Adam

        That’s a really interesting thought…

        I wonder what the council members’ parents are like. The apple doesn’t usually fall far from the tree

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    2. StormHarbor

      More than five or six men were needed because Kelly wouldn’t be totally subdued until he was completely besmirched in the eyes of people as a dangerous, drug-crazed addict perpetrating egregious crimes and thus deserving of brutal treatment. That would require a coordinated team effort, and the brass had already memorized the winning playbook for doing that. In this example, controlling the facts surrounding Kelly’s story during the initial press release was critical. The hope was that newspaper readers would peruse the story, roll their eyes and turn the page. That almost happened

      One wonders whether whatever was cooked up in that collaborative report-writing marathon will form the basis for the defense of the officers charged. If they went down the crazed PCP addict path and were expecting a little help from the coroner, they have an uphill battle now. Massive public scrutiny may have taken away much of their playbook.

      There was an FPD investigation of sorts. Someone had to scoop up cellphones and intimidate Bunny into surrendering her film. Someone had to supply fresh coffee and erasers for the lengthy, video-enhanced report round table. Someone had to dig through old mug shots to find the most threatening image of Kelly possible for release to the Register. Someone had to call the individual who tossed old mail in the trash and coax him to say it was stolen. It must have seemed irrelevant that the wrinkled parcel may have had spent gum or a discarded popsicle stick attached. Anyway, those investigative man-hours really add up.

      Did Wolfe really mangle that letter in Kelly’s backpack as probable cause at the scene, or was that plan concocted after the fact? We may never know. The district attorney who was adamant that releasing the video would taint witnesses’ perception of events suddenly had to embrace the concept when it was leaked to the public that the officers involved had done exactly that while drafting and amending their reports. Now, he’ll likely work within the framework of those reports as much as possible. Clearly, the DA wants to limit culpability within the Police department to a couple bad apples. The problem with that approach is that people know that bad apples don’t suddenly spoil overnight.

      This particular spokesman’s commentary seemed to vary depending on the interviewer. He was boisterous, glib and free-wheeling when speaking to the Register. He was cautious and contrite when speaking to local televised reporters asking tough questions, and he completely refused to speak with the national news media at all.

      As someone has said, FPD should have fallen on their sword immediately and taken the hit. The city would have maintained a modicum of confidence in leadership and been spared international ignominy. Instead, they made a gross miscalculation. They didn’t understand that there is an irresistible urge within most Americans to come to the aid of a scrawny, defenseless guy when he is being flattened by the town bully.

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  2. Broken Bones!

    “We did what? Oh shit. We need to get out in front of this one immediately. Just make something up and hand it to your tool at the Register.”

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  3. truthseeker

    He saw the tape. They all saw the tape. Put your diapers on guys. This isnt unadulterated bull shit. This calls for Federal indictments under RICO.

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  4. Tuco Ramirez

    Tuco knows…
    Goodrich tells whatever his HIGHER UPS tell him. Exactly who were they? Well, their was the chief who was getting ready for a two week cruise and after all, chief sellers had his priorities! Then there are the members of city council who do not want this to reflect on them. So the 3 ol dinosaurs had some input to City Manager Felz. “Don’t worry, it will all go away”! That was the hope!
    Tuco says when you get a person in office swilling on the governement pension and health care system, its awful hard for them to just tell the truth and take the consequences…….. so they lie, lie, lie. The real question is, how do they live with themselves?

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  5. One for the books

    I would really like to know what the status is of the other four cops that were involved in the assault and murder of Kelly Thomas. Are they still on administrative leave?

    Also, I am pleased to know that the FBI is going to press charges on 3 of the individuals involved as soon as the DA’s case is concluded. Federal prison is not a good place to be if you are a convicted cop.

    Yeah, it takes a man of real honor and character to go out and beat a defenseless, schizophrenic drifter to death.

    And who can ever forget…

    “Listen to my son beg those officers, ‘Please, please, God, I’m sorry, I’m sorry.’ And the last words of his life, ‘Dad! Dad!’ I want you to hear that the rest of your life like I will.”

    ~Ron Thomas

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    1. dixiejon

      Kellys recordings pleading for his life will be to the killers like a pedophile or serial killer reliving his happiest moments with a victims trinkets. It would have certainly figured in the ferociousness of the murder as crying for mercy from a bully just makes their weinies hard. bet he smiles in court when he hears it.

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    1. vw type 53a

      watchersweb :
      Really The FBI is filing charges…thats a lie

      No, no it isn’t a lie. Wait and see.
      @MUR: That info came from Ron’s lips while we were talking after the pre-trial hearing on the 4th. 😉

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    2. One for the books

      What would I gain by lying to you about such a serious matter, which, by the way, potentially has ramifications for every one of us. Also, one would have to be deaf, dumb, and blind not to realize that there were civil rights violations in the Kelly Thomas murder. The cops in the Rodney King case were charged with civil rights violations and King was not even murdered!

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  6. epoc

    I wonder how much city manager Joe Felz is involved in this . He looks real nervous during the Kelly Thomas public comments, like he hopes nobody finds out that he is really the one that orchestrated the whole cover up.

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    1. Peaches

      He doesn’t seem like someone with the capability to orchestrate that; McKinley – definitely, given his LAPD background

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  7. One for the crooks

    What do Conrad Murray and Jay Cicinelli both have in common? Both exhibited reckless self serving behavior at the expense of a helpless fellow human being. Both are up with the same charges and claim innocence and both blame the victim for being the cause of the tragedy. The judge in the Murray trail recognized this and gave the maximum sentence. However ,despite the worse possible sentence he will be out in less than two years. Can any thing more be expected in the trial against Cicinelli, the real culprit who inflicted the fatal damage to Kelly.

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    1. Peaches

      LA County DA Steve Cooley is apparently considering some sort of motion to ensure that Conrad Murray serves the full four years (despite Lee Baca’s “half-time” sentence rules due to “overcrowding”); sounds like Baca is starting to be thrown under the bus…

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  8. Sean

    & If memory serves, once the grip of control started to loosen as it became obvious this would not just go away, they then tried intimidation by sending FFFF a letter from FPOA lawyers threatening legal action for merely reporting the story… Perhaps admin can dig that one up again so no-one forgets the desperate length the ladies in blue were willing to go to keep this out of the spotlight.

    Good job FFFF, Justice for Kelly.

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  9. van get it da artiste

    but I thought Rusty Kennedy’s Fullerton homeless,/mentally ill taskforce was supposed to fix all that? Isn’t that what ex-Fullerton police chief and current city council member of Fullerton and colleague of Rusty Kennedy , the Pat McKinley, told us at one of the Fullerton city council meetings?

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  10. One for the books

    There is a saying, folks: “Don’t believe anything until it is officially denied.” In this case, that’s all you need to know!

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  11. One for the books

    One for the books :
    I would really like to know what the status is of the other four cops that were involved in the assault and murder of Kelly Thomas. Are they still on administrative leave?
    Also, I am pleased to know that the FBI is going to press charges on 3 of the individuals involved as soon as the DA’s case is concluded. Federal prison is not a good place to be if you are a convicted cop.
    Yeah, it takes a man of real honor and character to go out and beat a defenseless, schizophrenic drifter to death.
    And who can ever forget…
    “Listen to my son beg those officers, ‘Please, please, God, I’m sorry, I’m sorry.’ And the last words of his life, ‘Dad! Dad!’ I want you to hear that the rest of your life like I will.”
    ~Ron Thomas

    If there is only one thing you remember from the Kelly Thomas case, make it this message so powerfully delivered from Ron Thomas! No screaming, no yelling, but a very powerful set of words!

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  12. vw type 53a

    van get it da artiste :
    but I thought Rusty Kennedy’s Fullerton homeless,/mentally ill taskforce was supposed to fix all that? Isn’t that what ex-Fullerton police chief and current city council member of Fullerton and colleague of Rusty Kennedy , the Pat McKinley, told us at one of the Fullerton city council meetings?

    The only thing you need to know about that “task force” is that if it fixes the problem they are all out of a job. Now, do you expect the problem to get fixed or will it require more of your tax money to fund a ever increasing staff to handle it?
    …ugh, government programs make me want to throw up. 🙁

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    1. van get it da artiste

      VeeDub , Publius Tacitus or Gaius Cornelius Tacitus (ca. 56–ca. 117)said ” The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government.”

      van get it da artiste says” the more numerous the laws and government sponsored task forces, the most corrupt the government.

      I wonder what Publicus Tacitus, the ancient historian, would say about Jones, Bankhead and McKinley, those three civic leaders who tacitly promoted and protected Fullerton police officers who beat and killed the innocent public?

      I know what Rusty Kennedy and his homeless task force would say “put flyers in the water bill.” and problem of fullerton police brutality solved by this task force?

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      1. van get it da artiste

        My intent in the above comment is the fullerton task force on the homeless and mentally ill is a diversionary tactic solely to draw attention away from the culpability of the Fullerton city council and its police force by co-opting the primary person exposing the guilt of them, the father of the murdered Kelly Thomas, Ron Thomas.

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  13. Polliwog

    Vw Type 53a
    Nov 30 – 4:24 PM
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    watchersweb :
    Really The FBI is filing charges…thats a lie

    No, no it isn’t a lie. Wait and see.
    @MUR: That info came from Ron’s lips while we were talking after the pre-trial hearing on the 4th.

    Ron Thomas also said he was a retired cop, that was not true.

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  14. vw type 53a

    Polliwog :

    Ron Thomas also said he was a retired cop, that was not true.

    Whatever. I’m not going to sit here and argue with idiots…like I said, sit back and wait, you’ll see. 😛

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    1. Ron Thomas

      I’ve never said that I retired. The Media said that. Get your facts stright before posting false statements about what I say.

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  15. a bushala bully

    And none of those gangster disciples (what, 200 of those bad ass wonderful heros of fullerton) said a damn word to anyone knowing full well and for months, everything that gangster dracula said, was, happy horsecrap.

    I dont see how anyone, who isnt dirty, can sleep at night with the knowledge that they are covering up for a murder

    If only he would do a triple summersault through the air, and disappear up his own asshole.

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    1. Jane H

      “If only he would do a triple summersault through the air, and disappear up his own asshole.”

      I’m going to remember that one!

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  16. vw type 53a

    Reality Is :
    I just tried it. I hit my head again and farted wind in my ear. I’ll keep trying.

    No that was F. Dick Jones blowing wind, you can tell by the faint sound of McKinley blowing in the background. 😉

    …shake it off and try again. Soon you will hear the voice of reason lol.

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  17. One for the books

    vw type 53a :

    Polliwog :
    Ron Thomas also said he was a retired cop, that was not true.

    Whatever. I’m not going to sit here and argue with idiots…like I said, sit back and wait, you’ll see.

    Never argue with an idiot, as they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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  18. Anonymous

    vw type 53a :

    Polliwog :
    Ron Thomas also said he was a retired cop, that was not true.

    Whatever. I’m not going to sit here and argue with idiots…like I said, sit back and wait, you’ll see.

    Ron Thomas is a liar. Retired Sheriff. What a joke.

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    1. Fred Alcazar

      Could be. Who gives damn?

      This post is about Dr. Goebbels Goodrich and his alienation from the truth.

      And I presume Goodwrench is being paid to tell the truth.

      Oh, wait…

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    1. dixiejon

      no surprise there. a cop licker wants to be spanked. i assume you will demand he wear a full uniform and call you naughty girl?

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  19. AntiCorruptionUnit

    The lies in red were obvious.

    The spin some would like to put on Kelly is he has this violent history that in some way is going to assist those charged with this crime. Right Reality Is?

    Bringing up ones past is simply a deflection or attempt to deflect the real issues. If Kelly was alive and got onto the stand and said he has never been violent, THEN it’s time to challenge him, and he should and would be. BUT he is dead, so he can’t say that.

    Ones past history in a case such as this is moot. There are no facts before the public that suggest Kelly did anything at the TIME to justify this use of force that clearly resulted in his death.

    Are defense lawyers going to say, ” my client used this level of force because Mr.Thomas has a history of violence”?

    They might. But even a rookie prosecutor will simply show the video to everyone and ask them if they see Kelly punching and kicking at anytime?

    If Kelly simply attempted to get away from Ramos and his pals, because Kelly was scared he was going to get beat, then the attempted escape is also justified.

    I’d say the putting on the gloves and the words I am going to F you up is justification all by itself.

    Especially when you put Kelly’s mental health issues out there. If Ramos knew Kelly from the past, then one might suggest Ramos was screwing with Kelly’s mind knowing full well Kelly might “freak out”, and maybe Ramos was hoping he would to help justifie beating him. Some might call that the flip side of the coin.

    We should all remember the DA telling us citizens may RESIST unlawful actions of the police.

    Setting that aside, a person running from the police is not subject to a beating either. It happens a lot, but this one was way over the top.

    Again if the video shows Kelly punching at or kicking those cops, then that is going to be a toss up, and I think a jury MIGHT side with the cops.

    But if you start the fight as it appears Ramos did, good luck trying to justifie the end result.

    IF NOT, then attempting to simply use Kelly’s past history of violence in hopes that it sways the jury, could easily back fire if that video doesn’t show Kelly being violent. VIOLENT being punching and kicking at the cops. Attempting to run is NOT a violent act.

    Whoever the defense WHORE is, who gets up on the stand and attempts to explain that everything that happened is justified, when no violence can be shown on Kelly’s part, is just that A WHORE who is trying to make a buck or score points with some thugs wearing badges.

    Let’s flip the coin here for a moment.

    If Kelly’s past history of violence is open for discussion as Reality Is suggests, then Ramos and his pals and FPD’s past history of violence is also open for debate before the jury.

    This we can talk smack about Kelly’s past history but our history is confidential is CRAP.

    But we can all bet on one thing, FPD and the defense lawyers will want their cake and be able to eat it to. They will do their best to make Kelly the bad guy and argue FPD and it’s employees issues are a non-issue.

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  20. AntiCorruptionUnit

    I should add that the prosecutors in this case should be seeking information from the files of those cops involved.

    Information that might show THEY too have a history of violence or the propensity for violence.

    Just in case the cops get on the stand and say I am not violent, or I am a great cop, when their NOT.

    We will see if the DA wants to paint the cops as crooks in defense of Kelly.

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    1. Reality Is

      Yep. If they have a pattern, it will be known. It’s called Pitchess Motion to get that information. They are hard to get, but in this case they will be able to get it. It’s a separate hearing with a judge and he decides what of their files can be allowed for viewing.

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  21. One for the books

    What is the latest with Sellers? Is he still on med leave? Is he still stressed out with high blood pressure because certain rogue outlaws under his command disgraced the entire department and city in front of the entire world? Are the taxpayers still paying this guy? Does anyone know? If we ask Goodrich, will we get a straight answer?????

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    1. Reality Is

      Yes still on med leave. He will just retire or retire with partial medical. He’s gone for good. He was on his way out before this happened anyways. This just made it easy for him to leave. Right now the work comp system is paying for him.

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  22. AntiCorruptionUnit

    The cops defense attorneys are John Barnett and Michael Swartz.

    Both are very good and very experienced. Both are very well paid.

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      1. Reality Is

        It will be millions but all paid up front and an unlimited budget to use. That’s why the cases are hard to beat, but of course, a conviction is always possible. 🙂

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        1. fullerton lover

          If you substituted “conviction” with “dismissal” they’d sound just like the Orange County District Attorney’s office.

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  23. Fullerton Resident

    Goodlie was real quick to come up with a two-year old mug shot of somebody he purported to be KT. Talk about prejudicial.

    We now know that their was ZERO internal investigation until Gennaco was hired. That may have been the most damning lie of all, proving a cover-up.

    All the roaches were scuttling for the shadows and would have been safe and and happy if not for FFFF.

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  24. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Fullerton Resident :
    Goodlie was real quick to come up with a two-year old mug shot of somebody he purported to be KT. Talk about prejudicial.
    We now know that their was ZERO internal investigation until Gennaco was hired. That may have been the most damning lie of all, proving a cover-up.
    All the roaches were scuttling for the shadows and would have been safe and and happy if not for FFFF.

    Oh there was an investigation started, just not the one that should have been.

    The investigation started out as a COVER YOUR ASS investigation is all it was. If in doubt refer to the good Sergeants opening press release.

    Then, when this website and others called BS, THAT is when FPD changed course and suddenly stopped talking and were saying, “OH SHIT, what do we do now”.

    If in doubt refer back to City Manager asking for Gennaco to conduct an investigation.

    If in DOUBT, refer to Sellers sudden taking of medical leave.

    If in DOUBT hopefully you notice Sergeant Good don’t have much to say these days.

    If in DOUBT refer back to the DA’s news conferance.

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  25. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Now let’s be fair to Sergeant Good and all the other cops out there who honor the “code of silence”.

    Sergeant Good did what he was instructed to do by his superiors. If he didn’t, he would be out of a job in short order. I bet you anything harrassed by others too.

    I won’t say Sergeant Good isn’t happy to help out with this debacle using his own iniative either.

    Call it peer pressure or anything else you want to, but it’s the same FEAR that some of you posters have in staying anonymous. You don’t want to get screwed with by FPD’s finest or the system as you see it.

    Either does Sergeant Good, but I’ll say he doesn’t want to be out of a job, and neither does anyone of us.

    Good has no “honor or code” in the one he swore to when taking his oath of office.

    His code is the unwritten one, the “code of silence”.

    But the bottom line to my rant is, he is fearful of something or someone just like many of you.

    Sellers is fearful, that’s why he ran right into retirement. He too doesn’t want to violate the unwritten code. So he took a different course.

    Time well tell on this “code of silence” thing. I bet the pressure is at a bursting point behind the scenes.

    If it isn’t, it will be when the trial starts.

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    1. Joe Sipowicz

      I really feel compelled to disagree. I think Goodrich was just out there on his own, making stuff up and peddling it to Lou Fonsi, et al.

      We now know that there was zero leadership or control in the FPD and I believe that Goodrich’s impulse was to immediately stonewall and lie.

      The fact that nobody in the FPD or on the city council (exempt Whitaker) has shown any indication of unhappiness with Goodrich shouldn’t be taken to mean they were directing him. But they obviously like what he said and did. And that’s pretty disgusting.

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    2. Hollis Dugan

      Bullshit.

      This guy is a union thug from start to finish. He need not be wound up by anyone. This was him being a liar to cover for the police as he trained to do. He’s probably so drunk on the righteousness of all police he cant tell when he is lying, however, that does not excuse the lies.

      No one gave this tool an “order”. The chief was in la la land and the three council members that will no doubt excuse any conduct by the police are too old and feeble to conjure up any kind of scheme.

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  26. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Joe Sipowicz :
    I really feel compelled to disagree. I think Goodrich was just out there on his own, making stuff up and peddling it to Lou Fonsi, et al.
    We now know that there was zero leadership or control in the FPD and I believe that Goodrich’s impulse was to immediately stonewall and lie.
    The fact that nobody in the FPD or on the city council (exempt Whitaker) has shown any indication of unhappiness with Goodrich shouldn’t be taken to mean they were directing him. But they obviously like what he said and did. And that’s pretty disgusting.

    That’s possible Joe. But a Sergeant in a department like FPD who takes their orders from politicians and are led around with a leash on their decision making is why I respectfully disagree.

    But if someone says Sergeant Good had his own agenda, then in a real working Police Department, Sergeant Good would be re-assigned real QUICK!!

    But I could argue Good could have his own agenda if he is a Union lacky? Ya know politicians don’t want to mess with those who have the big check books either.

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  27. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Hollis Dugan :
    Bullshit.
    This guy is a union thug from start to finish. He need not be wound up by anyone. This was him being a liar to cover for the police as he trained to do. He’s probably so drunk on the righteousness of all police he cant tell when he is lying, however, that does not excuse the lies.
    No one gave this tool an “order”. The chief was in la la land and the three council members that will no doubt excuse any conduct by the police are too old and feeble to conjure up any kind of scheme.

    The union thug is the most understanable of all them when you compare what other unions are doing these days.

    But the bottom line is Good’s boys are in deep poop, and the FBI is doing their thing.

    All Sergeant Good can do now is write the checks to the lawyers and keep them focused, and fly under the radar before his ass is handed to him.

    If we start to see an obvious weight loss in Sergeant Good, we will know the stress has taken it’s toll.

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    1. Reality Is

      Stay focused. You are dreaming again.

      The Feds have made no decisions on anything and are only half way through. They won’t do anything until the criminal and civil cases are done.

      Nothing will happen to GoodyRich. He’s not being investigated and will receive no discipline or charges.

      Stay focused. It will be hard enough to win the criminal case and recall. Don’t start dreaming about things you are basing solely on far out guesses.

      🙂

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        1. Reality Is

          You say done deal. You mean just the signatures? You know that doesn’t mean close to done right?

          No. I will though.

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          1. Anonymous

            You think 10,000 voters will come out to the polls and vote to affirm the current leadership? Give me a break.

            It’s over the minute those signatures are counted.

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          2. Joe Sipowicz

            Wait until the voters find out that Jones and Bankhead have skimmed $35,000,000 off their water bill since 1997 to pay for their perks and Bankhead’s ‘n McKinley’s uber-pensions.

            They haven’t even been told yet!

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  28. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Reality Is :
    Stay focused. You are dreaming again.
    The Feds have made no decisions on anything and are only half way through. They won’t do anything until the criminal and civil cases are done.
    Nothing will happen to GoodyRich. He’s not being investigated and will receive no discipline or charges.
    Stay focused. It will be hard enough to win the criminal case and recall. Don’t start dreaming about things you are basing solely on far out guesses.

    Well Reality Is if your talking to me is, I said “keep the lawyers focused”, ya no shit nothing will happen to Sergeant Good, he is small potatoes in the big scheme of things.

    But if he keeps running his yap and keeps being shown he is a fool or liar, someone will eventually take him to task.

    He will simply become a potential liability or unwanted PITA. It’s politics.

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    1. Reality Is

      Understood. You are right.

      That’s why you haven’t heard anything at all from anyone about this case. Quiet is the best option. Anything you say will just open up different interpretations of every word said.

      Both sides will stay focused on the prize. Yes, some people here would like to pick and choose certain cops to fire, but that won’t happen.

      The process is in place. Criminal with the two. Civil against the city. Federal against who? In a year or two we will know.

      For now, focus on the future. Right? Fullertons future? Good government? Good city leaders? Good PD?

      🙂

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      1. Jt

        The civil case is going to be a slam dunk. How many victims of police brutality has Mardirossian deposed so far do you think? A clear pattern of excessive force, multiple civilian complaints filed with no action taken, culminating in a death. Chhh-ching.

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  29. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Reality Is, anytime you like to make this a one on one public debate, let’s do it in front of an audience in person.

    Maybe we can start off having the administrators of this very website referee and debate over a cup of coffee on these issues YOU seem to know so much about.

    The administators have my email.

    You seem to be in the know with your comments, that’s fine. Seems like your a cop too, so how much effort are you willing to put for the get the correct info out there to the people?

    Anyone with half a brain knows this trial will be a tuff one. AND??

    I only say that since I think your in the top 5 on postings on this site, on these issues.

    Reply
    1. Reality Is

      Sounds good. Would be fun. Especially when dealing with the facts. Facts only are fun to analyze and debate. No doubt, it’s all very interesting.

      I’ve always said educating citizens on the laws, policies, and how things are actually done and why are some of my best experiences and classes I’ve done.

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      1. Anonymous

        What position in LE teaches citizens on policies, laws, etc. ?
        Where and how is that done if a citizen wants to sign up?

        Reply
        1. Reality Is

          The first place to start is a citizen’s academy at your local police department. Depending on the PD, some are very very good and informative. At least gives you an idea of how things are done, policies, and some hands on interaction with the special details, etc.

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    2. karma

      by my observation, RI will never debate you, she is hiding behind a moniker, now and forever. She would like you to think she is somebody of authority and “in the know”, and that could be debated all day long, only she knows for certain. Sometimes I actually agree with RI… she keeps the conversation entertaining, at the very least, kinda like Merijoe.. 🙂

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  30. AntiCorruptionUnit

    That’s why you haven’t heard anything at all from anyone about this case. Quiet is the best option. Anything you say will just open up different interpretations of every word said.

    Yes their best options AFTER they opened up their mouths and set the stage. Now they DON’T get to expect others to remain silent now that the cat is out of the bag.

    And yes a time tested strategy of, “remain silent”, we will wait as long as we can and hope everyone will forget and things will have cooled down.

    Reply
    1. Reality Is

      Agree. Fullerton hadn’t had to deal with many big issues so it took them a bit to learn how to handle things like this or these. They have learned now. Live and learn they say. Maybe I helped them how to handle major incidents? 🙂

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      1. Jane H

        “Maybe I helped them how to handle major incidents? :)”

        God Complex without a doubt.
        __________________________________________

        A god complex is an unshakable belief characterized by consistently inflated feelings of personal ability, privilege, or infallibility

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      2. a bushala bully

        To Narcissistic Reality-the only thing you helped people realize is that you are a putrifed know it all dirty cop who BS’s alot and is here to mock and try to confuse everyone, and also, that they need to carry a camera with them when they walk to the trash outside in case a badged ninny appears.

        You poison government plant

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  31. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Reality Is :
    Sounds good. Would be fun. Especially when dealing with the facts. Facts only are fun to analyze and debate. No doubt, it’s all very interesting.
    I’ve always said educating citizens on the laws, policies, and how things are actually done and why are some of my best experiences and classes I’ve done.

    Teaching classes OKAY!!! I want my teachers to be experienced in what they teach.

    If I wan’t to know about war, do I talked with Audie Murphey or Gomer Pyle?

    Just how much time do you have in the treches fighting the battles that you seem to discuss?

    I see alot of perfect world commentary from you and little real world. But I have not read everyone of your postings.

    REAL WORLD is if folks here and a couple other places had not done what they did, this case would have died a silent death like many others.

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    1. Reality Is

      LOL. I see. What about Barney Fife? He knows a lot too.

      You wouldn’t believe anything I say anyways so I won’t try to convince you of anything. I’ve been fighting the battles for 25 years, I teach classes to cops and also to civilians, and I consult both sides on a variety of issues. 🙂

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  32. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Another quote from Reality Is.

    “The Feds have made no decisions on anything and are only half way through. They won’t do anything until the criminal and civil cases are done”.

    The feds can do whatever they want as to civil rights violations. They could ask the DA to dismiss the charges and allow them to simply prosecute under federal law.

    Wait for the civil trial to be over before they act. ABSOULTELY incorrect.

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  33. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Anonymous :
    What position in LE teaches citizens on policies, laws, etc. ?
    Where and how is that done if a citizen wants to sign up?

    You would take classes at your local community college or university on Law Enforcement and criminalogy etc.

    But I DOUBT you’ll spend much time talking about REAL WORLD topics unless your instructor has been there and done what their actually teaching.

    Otherwise they stick to lecture material and keep you focused on that topic.

    And you can bet that seldom do you get into topics like you do around here, LOL!!!!

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  34. fullerton lover

    What about Kevin Hamilton? Wasn’t he the 2nd in command at the time who was in charge in the absence of Chief Sellers? Wasn’t he the one that stated that he quarterbacked the officers crafting their reports after watching the video feed together?
    Sounds to me like he would have been the one feeding all the caca to Sgt. Goodliar to regurgitate back out to the public.

    Reply
    1. Reality Is

      That’s why I said a new outside Chief is the only answer right now. Fresh start. Start with confidence from even the people here at FFF. 🙂

      Reply
  35. AntiCorruptionUnit

    fullerton lover :
    What about Kevin Hamilton? Wasn’t he the 2nd in command at the time who was in charge in the absence of Chief Sellers? Wasn’t he the one that stated that he quarterbacked the officers crafting their reports after watching the video feed together?
    Sounds to me like he would have been the one feeding all the caca to Sgt. Goodliar to regurgitate back out to the public.

    THAT is the CYA investigation and before the cat got out of the bag and everything hit the fan.

    And yes the second in command could have done exactly what you describe.

    The department was in scramble mode and going in many different directions at that very moment.

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  36. Wrong Guy

    epoc :I wonder how much city manager Joe Felz is involved in this . He looks real nervous during the Kelly Thomas public comments, like he hopes nobody finds out that he is really the one that orchestrated the whole cover up.

    So true Epoc. The last two times I got up and spoke at the meetings, I deliberatly looked at him the entire time, giving suggestions on random drug and sobriety tests on officers, 730 forensic psychiatric evals, check for Anobolic Steroids, etc.
    Everytime I looked up at him, he would nervously turn and stare at the north wall where Captain Hamilton sits.
    Such a guilty looking weasel for sure.

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  37. Wrong Guy

    Anonymous :

    Reality Is :Bad boy. You are not allowed to talk about anything negative about Ron. You will be spanked.

    Actually I am not a boy..

    YOur a BAD Girl that needs a hard spanking, a hair pulling, spat on then SENT HOME!

    Reply
    1. Reality Is

      Speaking of spankings and dirty girls, where is MeriHoe at? Is she out of jail yet? No one does 2 months locked up anymore. Get her out, this place needs her foul language. 🙂

      Reply
  38. Wrong Guy

    fullerton lover :What about Kevin Hamilton? Wasn’t he the 2nd in command at the time who was in charge in the absence of Chief Sellers? Wasn’t he the one that stated that he quarterbacked the officers crafting their reports after watching the video feed together?Sounds to me like he would have been the one feeding all the caca to Sgt. Goodliar to regurgitate back out to the public.

    Yes, in fact Goodrich quoted Hamilton in stating that “It appears we got the WRong Guy”, referring to Veth Mam in that BS story from Officer Nguyen’s report that Veth Mam jumped on an officer’s back.
    Also, Hamilton’s first statement to the press that “I’m here to tell you, there was NO coverup!” (bullshit)
    During this same conference he also tried to justify why he allows officers to ‘cook’ there reports. (MOre bullshit)
    Lying is a ‘way of life’ for FPD apparently.
    I would trust any FPD personnel as far as I could kick their squad car.

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  39. Jane H

    Reality Is: You are so full of it! I mean that.
    _______________________________________________

    “I’ve never seen an instance of sustained community pressure that didn’t exact significant changes in the priorities or performance of a public agency.” pg. 20

    Breaking Rank: A Top Cop’s Expose of the Dark Side of American Policing, Norm Stamper (Author)

    Review

    “Breaking Rank reveals an advocate for the kind of progressive social justice that Bobby Kennedy would have loved–a cop with guts enough to admit his own mistakes, learn from them, and remain a voice for changing the institution that both made and broke him.” –This text refers to the Paperback edition.

    Reply
    1. Reality Is

      Good book. Some good info and some terrible info that means nothing. Just not realistic. Good book to read though.

      Reply
      1. Jane H

        And I think you are still full of it. Norm Stamper is a stand-up retired police chief who admits when he is wrong, like when he used paramilitary tactics in the WTO protests in Seattle in 1999.

        You, on the other hand, are a disgrace with that attitude. And it will fail you in the long run. Go ahead and laugh all you want. Sicko!

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      2. Jane H

        “Good book. Some good info and some terrible info that means nothing. Just not realistic. Good book to read though.”

        I’m sure you haven’t read it. You don’t seem like the type who would read any book.

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  40. One for the books

    Joe Sipowicz :
    Wait until the voters find out that Jones and Bankhead have skimmed $35,000,000 off their water bill since 1997 to pay for their perks and Bankhead’s ‘n McKinley’s uber-pensions.
    They haven’t even been told yet!

    EVERYONE IN FULLERTON SHOULD BE FUMING OVER THIS!!

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    1. a bushala bully

      whats all in fun douchette? the murder of a man by gangsters that some people feel are heeros? or is it the fact the one of the ninnys in blue after doing the nasty with handcuffed women – kept his job, no maybe its the 35 million that were stolen from fullerton citizens for a non existent tax- I must have missed the fun part-and its spelled i d i o t s

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      1. Justice for ALL

        Yes, to them,- torture, murder, sexual abuse, lying, robbing tax payers, etc.,- is just all in a day’s work, I mean fun.

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  41. Anonymous

    Reality Is :Understood. You are right.
    That’s why you haven’t heard anything at all from anyone about this case. Quiet is the best option. Anything you say will just open up different interpretations of every word said.
    Both sides will stay focused on the prize. Yes, some people here would like to pick and choose certain cops to fire, but that won’t happen.
    The process is in place. Criminal with the two. Civil against the city. Federal against who? In a year or two we will know.
    For now, focus on the future. Right? Fullertons future? Good government? Good city leaders? Good PD?

    Feds can take up to five years to decide what they are gonna do.

    Reply
    1. Reality Is

      Yep. No rush. They wait for all the other cases to play out. Then they know all the tricks and games. Then they come in the back door with no lube and stick it in deep.

      Reply
  42. AntiCorruptionUnit

    karma :
    by my observation, RI will never debate you, she is hiding behind a moniker, now and forever. She would like you to think she is somebody of authority and “in the know”, and that could be debated all day long, only she knows for certain. Sometimes I actually agree with RI… she keeps the conversation entertaining, at the very least, kinda like Merijoe..

    You may be right. We will see how much conviction she has.

    She talks the talk, BUT can she walk the walk?

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    1. Reality Is

      Half and half. He was gonna get canned so he quit. True though, it doesn’t matter in this case. I always noticed that the media said retired and Ron never said retired. He just said former Sheriff’s Deputy.

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  43. Justice for ALL

    R.I. will never debate, nor reveal his true identity. R.I. would be embarrassed for everyone to know the truth- that R.I. is really McKinley, or Hamilton, or Goodliar, or some other highly paid PR cop from Pomona…whomever.

    But, R.I. doesn’t EVER want anyone to know who he really is. R.I. would be embarrassed for us all to know who he is, especially when we all know he has been pulling down such a large salary while blogging B.S. and eating donuts 24/7 for the past four months straight! (Perhaps he does have a little shame, after all?) It’s also a very strong possibility that McKinley doesn’t want us to know that R.l. is really his 5 year old grandson.

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    1. Reality Is

      Not true Tony. I’m proud of who I am and what I stand for.

      LOL that’s funny though. I just like all the assumptions and guesses. It’s fun.

      I can say for sure I’m not McKinley’s 5 year old grandson though. I might be his son though. 🙂

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      1. Justice for ALL

        I wish I was Tony, but I’m not.

        Whomever you are,- you are highly paid to spin BS as your full time job. It must be a rough job- sitting in front of your computer, eating donuts all day. Hmmm, maybe you are just a cop who got assigned to desk duty for being very naughty?? Fess up. What did you get reprimanded for??

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        1. Reality Is

          Maybe I’m Hampton on desk duty? Hmmmmm. Or maybe I’m Ramos at home doing nothing all day? Hmmmm maybe.

          I think I’m actually Sellers. I’m taking my heart meds and testing my heart by conversing with all of you guys.

          I love you all though.

          🙂

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      2. Fred Alcazar

        What you stand for? Well, Hell, you don’t stand for anything. “Reality Is?” You stand for inert stupidity, status quo stool sucking.

        Proud of what you stand for! Hahahaha!!!! You stand for shit.

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      1. Justice for ALL

        You’re high alright!!
        😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
        😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

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        1. Reality Is

          Now that I’ve been fired, I can smoke week. It makes my body feel better because I only have one eye. Weed makes my eye socket feel better. 🙂

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              1. Justice for ALL

                I guess we’ll never know. But, your PR image on this blog is just as I stated. A full time, 24/7, (for the past four months), highly paid cop blogger,- eating donuts and typing (with very poor grammar and spelling) all day long at his computer. If I were you,- I wouldn’t admit to being R.I either!

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                1. Reality Is

                  Oh you will know. I think you already know.

                  LOL hey. Be nice. I can’t help it. This is who I am. I’m just a dumb cop with a GED, overweight, fat, and on steroids, and as dumb as dirt.

                  It’s almost like I’m handicapped. I should be a protected class.

                  🙂

        1. Reality Is

          Cops aren’t heros. You aren’t that dumb. Firemen are heros. I wanna be a fireman. They have great lazy boys. I love sitting in them. I mean who else can get paid $200,000 a year to wax their trucks and polish their chrome and bang chicks at the firehouses? Full pensions. Retire at 50. I think we all wish we were firemans. I like the sleeping half your shifts and getting paid to sleep. Thats sexy. Those are my heros. 😉

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  44. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Reality Is :
    Half and half. He was gonna get canned so he quit. True though, it doesn’t matter in this case. I always noticed that the media said retired and Ron never said retired. He just said former Sheriff’s Deputy.

    Well are we talking facts RI? Or is your Dad leaning over your shoulder as you type? Or are you guessing like you accused us earlier of?

    No doubt your attached to FPD either because you work there, or are married to someone who is.

    That makes your commentary all the more suspect because you clearly are a spin doctor on selected issues.

    I noticed you didn’t tackle the tuffer comments on here today. Just the little ones. WHY is that?

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    1. Reality Is

      Naaaaaa. I never guess. I don’t spin things, I say it how it is or how it’s done.

      I missed most of the stuff today. I was golfing. Tired now.

      🙂

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  45. vw type 53a

    RI is stirring the pot, so to speak lol.

    It disturbs me that you are more interested in doing that than actually discussing what is happening, but I can’t say I don’t understand it considering what you put up with here lol.

    Quid smacking the hornets nest and stray back on topic dude. 😛

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      1. fullerton lover

        Reality Is :
        Sorry. Golf was tiring and I won all the money so the 19th hole wore me out.

        If given the chance, would you ever be interested in playing golf with Ron Thomas for charitable purposes?

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  46. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Reality Is :
    Naaaaaa. I never guess. I don’t spin things, I say it how it is or how it’s done.
    I missed most of the stuff today. I was golfing. Tired now.

    Then I guess you’ll give a better debate in person than you do on the internet. OUTSTANDING!!!

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  47. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Reality Is :
    I feel like I’m being bully’d today. You know bully’ing is illegal now right?

    When your being bullied like Kelly was, feel free to call 911 and cry foul.

    I appreciate your comments though, it tells those who are paying attention a story.

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  48. fullerton lover

    Fred Alcazar :
    Bullied? You’re lucky Tony lets you hang around.

    …and if Tony didn’t let Reality Is hang around and espouse his viewpoints, than Tony Bushala would be no better than the bullies that comprise the immoral majority on our city council.
    This is exactly the reason why I enjoy reading and contributing to the Friend’s For Fullerton’s Future website, is because of the lack of censorship by the administration. This feature lets us all individually express our viewpoints without fear of reprisal or retaliation by anyone which keeps the conversations and exchanges more in touch with reality.
    Imagine what this website would look like if the only blog posts that got posted were the ones that were hand picked by the administrator?
    It would look like that Anti-Recall website and the same horses asses who run it.

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  49. Polliwog

     
    RON THOMAS
    Master Instructor

    The Japanese call Jujitsu “The ultimate Martial Art”. It is also called the gentle art because once mastered, it takes little effort to defend yourself. This is a serious-hand to hand “combat” martial art taught to Police Officers, Navy Seals, and the U.S. Army’s Special Forces / Rangers.

    Jujitsu is the forerunner for Aikido and Judo. Some of the techniques that are taught at the West Coast Jujitsu Club are throws, joint locks, escapes, chokes, ground fighting, knife-gun-club defense, multiple attacker defense and child anti-abduction.

    This class is taught by former U.S. Army Ranger and Orange County Deputy Sheriff, Sensei Ron Thomas, Master Instructor of the West Coast Jujitsu Club. Sensei Thomas started his Martial Arts training in 1973 with Tang-Soo-Do Karate, as well as his Ranger training. Sensei Thomas also holds a red belt in Hapkido and his black belt in Danzan Ryu Jujitsu.

    Having trained with many other instructors from different martial arts throughout the united states that specialize in women’s self defense/rape defense, Sensei Thomas has become an expert in this field. He has designed and teaches a very straight-forward and effective class for women. He has taught the sororities of Cal state long beach, as well as for the cities of Seal Beach, Garden Grove, and Laguna Hills, CA. He also specializes in and teaches arrest and control techniques for law enforcement.

    I wonder if Ron ever taught any Fullerton Cops?

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  50. Anonymous

    a bushala bully :whats all in fun douchette? the murder of a man by gangsters that some people feel are heeros? or is it the fact the one of the ninnys in blue after doing the nasty with handcuffed women – kept his job, no maybe its the 35 million that were stolen from fullerton citizens for a non existent tax- I must have missed the fun part-and its spelled i d i o t s

    I was talking to RI, but you had to butt in BushalaButt…Like I said take a chill pill. I didnt even mention any other topic. But if you want to know what I feel. Kelly resisited and he lost.

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    1. Justice for ALL

      Just in case you haven’t noticed, this blog is a public forum. If you don’t like it when we comment on your idiotic comments, I suggest that you send your pal, R.I., a private e-mail message in the future.

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    2. a bushala bully

      Hey: anal-mous and all you trolls –

      wonder if you would “resist” 6 fatass pukes with badges beating your head in for no reason-Im sure you would just lay there like a lizard on a rock silently, as you were being tased 6 times in the chest-

      and furthermore, your dronings of durrrrrr wont stop me from commenting anytime I want to. you gutless douchebag

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      1. Reality Is

        Honestly though, most people wouldn’t ever get to that point because they would’t run from the police. No offense.

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        1. a bushala bully

          Kelly didnt run from anyone until that ape slowly put on gloves and threatened his life-for nothing, troll bait. nor did he resist

          you will get yours -karma vampire, karma…keep covering, keep on covering for your psychopathic killer friends, you are just as sick, i dont care how many “no offenses” or smiley faces you use

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            1. Justice for ALL

              LOL about what?? Kelly being threatened, beaten, tortured and murdered by sociopathic cops? Yes, that is so funny that I forgot to laugh.

              Threats, intimidation, being struck with clubs, torture,kicked, lung being collapsed and being bludgeoned and suffocated to death are NOT funny topics.
              You are a sociopath.

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                1. Jane H

                  If no one responds to D-head, then we would never know the extent of hatred cops have for the average citizen. It confirms a lot for me, which is helpful.

                2. karma

                  “no shit” was response to this post…

                  “Why you folks continue to even respond to this person is beyond me.”

                  it’s like feeding seagulls…all you will get is shit all over the place and they NEVER go away.

                3. nipsey

                  Hey it’s the most attention he’s ever had, or ever will have. Let him have his moment in the, um. Whatever this is.

              1. Justice for ALL

                R.l. will NEVER go away. He is a very highly over- paid cop; he is PAID to post on this blog as his full time job, while he waits for his cushy retirement to kick in. He enjoys his “job” a lot, even though he isn’t very good at it, and even though he is a terrible LE/FPD spokeshole.

                He may be a dirty cop assigned to desk duty because he was very naughty, or, he could be just any cop who was assigned the P.R. “job” as part of a normal rotation assignment.

                He blogs his spin and B.S. all night and day while consuming mass quantities of donuts and “Starbucks.” It doesn’t matter if you ignore R.I., or not, he will always continue to spout his garbage on this blog- blaming the innocent victim, Kelly Thomas, for his own murder,- and trying to cover for his blue buddies and the status quo.

                @ Karma, I really, really love the seagull analogy; however, I think R.I. is more like a nasty, filthy cockroach, – hiding in dark corners, multiplying, and spreading his germs and disease all over the place. And, don’t forget,- when you see one cockroach, there are usually a thousand more hiding that you don’t see. It’s time to bring in Orkin Pest Control!

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                1. Reality Is

                  I love the term overpaid cop these days. I remember no less than 5 years ago cops were under paid. Now they are over paid. Before it was always yea cops aren’t paid great, but enough to survive and raise a family. Now they are rich LOL. Funny shit.

                  I’m not waiting for my city retirement, yes I love my job, and I’m a spoke hole for myself. It is what it is. You don’t like it? Well that’s what is good about this world. People don’t like you either, but we put up with it.

                  I’m clean. Not dirty. No desk duty. I get out and mix it up here and there. Still love fighting crime and taking people to jail.

                  Yes starbucks is an addiction. Love it. Yes I will spew my education, training, and experience to better inform people like yourself. You need to learn the reality of how things are done in this world and why. Your closed mind is dangerous to your long term survival. You need to know police policies, laws, and case laws in order to make better decisions.

                  Yes, seagulls and cockroaches are good. I see cockroaches roaming the streets on a nightly basis. They come out when it gets dark, and they hide when it gets light. They are hard to get rid of. No matter if you call Orkin or not, they always come back.

                  🙂

                2. Justice for ALL

                  Any cop like you, who has enough time on his hands to blog 24/7 for the past four months, is highly overpaid. And, any cop who has P.R. blogging as his full time job is also highly overpaid, especially considering the terrible job that you are doing.

                  I know a fair amount about “…the reality of how things are done in this world and why.” So, don’t assume you know me. You don’t.

                  Your problem is that you don’t seem to acknowledge that new precedent and case law is continually being made. And, that police policies can be changed.

                  Nothing is truly “set in stone,” except for the self-justifying FPD cockroaches’ opinions of their own innocence,- up until the day they plead, “no contest.”

                  I’m absolutely positive that you believe you are “clean,” just as Ramos, Cicinelli, Wolfe, Rincon, et al. also swear they are “clean.” But, that is also just another symptom of being a sociopath.

                3. Reality Is

                  Copy. Sociopath. GED. Overpaid. PR Machines. Fat. Steroids. Donuts. Maybe you should apply to be a Police Chief? 🙂

  51. Reality Is

    Will this read Fullerton in a year? Hmmmmmm.

    A defense motion to dismiss charges against six former Bell city leaders was rejected by a judge Thursday during a court hearing.

    Ex-city council members Teresa Jacobo, George Mirabal, Luis Artiga, George Cole and Victor Bello and two other city officials were charged last September with fraud and the misappropriation of roughly $5.5 million in public funds.

    Through a motion, their attorneys sought to dismiss the charges based on a 2005 ballot measure that the defense said charter cities from state laws restricting council member salaries.

    However, the court stated during its August decision that prosecutors in public corruption cases must prove defendants knew they were breaking the law, or were criminally negligent in not knowing.

    Superior Court Judge Kathleen Kennedy wrote in her ruling there was “ample probable cause” to believe the former Bell officials knew they were aware they broke the law.

    MULTIMEDIA

    Robert Rizzo’s
    Huntington Beach House
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    Defense attorneys said they may appeal Kennedy’s ruling.

    The six former council members are scheduled to stand trial with ex-City Administrator Robert Rizzo and his former assistant Angela Spaccia February 2.

    Rizzo is charged has the most felony counts of those involved in the fraud scandal. Of the 53 counts against him, six are for falsification of public records by an official custodian and three are for conflict of interest.

    The criminal complaint against Spaccia claims she took more than $1.3 million in public funds.

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  52. Anonymous

    Reality Is :Half and half. He was gonna get canned so he quit. True though, it doesn’t matter in this case. I always noticed that the media said retired and Ron never said retired. He just said former Sheriff’s Deputy.

    I heard he was never a cop..He was kicked out of the academy.

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  53. Tuco Ramirez

    First to Anonymous #173: Tuco knows a phony when he reads one. And you are one! How do I know? Well, He is listed as a former Sheriff’s Deputy and you cannot be one unless you went though the academy. You knew that, but you chose to disparage another person’s character. That makes you quite a low life in Tuco Ramirez eyes.
    Concerning the Rizzo charges, I was up in Seattle at the track there and Rizzo had over 25 horses in training at the track! That made him one of the largest owners up there. The training and exercise fees and feed and vet average $2,500 per month. So Rizzo needed to come up with CASH $750,000 on his $800,000 per year salary just to cover the horse expenses, not including the cost to buy them! Rizzo will be spending quite a spell in state prison.

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  54. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Reality Is :
    Honestly though, most people wouldn’t ever get to that point because they would’t run from the police. No offense.

    Unless I misunderstood the DA in his statements to the press, he stated that the audio and camera at the bus terminal verified that Ramos was putting on the gloves and telling Kelly he was going to F him up before Kelly did ANYTHING wrong. Like running.

    RI your unbelievable when you tell people that most folks would never run, when you say that are you adding Ramos’s conduct into the equation?

    Are you adding the mental illness issues into it?

    Are you suggesting that people won’t run if the cops are telling them your going to F them up?

    There is no use of force standards (polict) that suggest you BEAT someone, and cause the visable injuries we saw on Kelly because they ran.

    I guess you haven’t personally struggled with a person who is trying to get away and taken him to the ground, and Kelly was on the ground, and simply musseled that person into handcuffs with the assistance of 5 others.

    Or are you suggesting the DA over filed the case and should have taken a different approach because Kelly tried to run and that should set aside what happened as if it was REALLY justified is some way?

    It might be argued if it was one on one, but not 6 on 1.

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  55. AntiCorruptionUnit

    RI just the other day your in hear telling everyone how Kelly’s past history of violence is going to be a big deal at the trial, how Kelly’s family is going to have to talk about all that.

    Now your trying to add the running into it like it’s all a joke your PALS got filed on.

    You trying to contaminate the jury pool with bullshit or what?

    Your comments suggest YOU don’t know squat about uses of force or what rises to the level of excessive force.

    I also remember you commented on how Kelly is on camera trying to open car doors, SO WHAT.

    There is no law on the books that suggest if a person is a career criminal that it’s ok to beat the shit out of him.

    You can’t accept the fact there are some heavy handed cops in Fullerton that have been operating under their own agenda for sometime, and finally stepped on their dorks and got caught.

    The best you got for a defense is, Kelly’s past history of violence, and he tried to run so that’s why he got killed. WOW!!!!!

    WHERE is Chief Sellers at? Let him explain all this. Oh that’s right he suddenly retired. No reason to retire if all he needs to do is the Reality Is approach.

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      1. Justice for ALL

        @Reality Is probably Hamilton, stop being such a little weasel, twisting in the wind. You know, and I know, that ACU nailed your words and your attitudes- SPOT ON. If not, you are always welcome to clarify.

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  56. AntiCorruptionUnit

    I have also noticed you haven’t attempted to explain away the 150 witnesses the DA says he has either, or did you do that early on?

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    1. Reality Is

      You are using a fact and changing what it means again.

      150 witnesses doesn’t mean 150 witnesses said the cops beat the shit out of him. It means 150 witnesses. That’s from the slide bar, the buses, the hospital, other cops, etc.

      Here’s a question for you. How many of the 150 actually saw the actual use of force? Actual fight? Actual punches, taser, etc?

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      1. seer2some

        RI, , All of the witnesses, except for Richard Fritsche (who said the cops were in the right) has told the same story that Kelly was brutalized.

        http://fullertonstories.com/new-witness-in-thomas-case-defends-the-police/

        Fritsche is a local man that has been homeless for several years and hangs out in that area selling jewelry (car break ins anyone?). In the video, his eyes are bloodshot and he slurs his words.

        When running a background check for past tickets or criminal activity in LA or Orange County, there was NOTHING on his record, no parking tickets, not even a VAGRANCY charge (or something similiar).

        The only thing that was found about him was…

        http://www.meetup.com/OCWitches/members/11040313/

        The cops sure didn’t investigate the car break ins in that area, and this guy had a motive to get in good with the police and throw the spotlight on someone else.

        They will never use this guy to testify in court……… and if that’s the best they got…….they’re in trouble!

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        1. Reality Is

          I understand Seer2Some. What I was saying that I can tell you that 150 people did not see this incident, and 150 people did not say that he was brutalized. I’m sure that the 10 that did see the actual use of force, did say that he was brutalized. That wouldn’t surprise me a bit. But the other 140 witnesses didn’t see that part, they saw the contact, the cop cars arriving, prior contacts with the officers, homeless people walking around, etc.

          Yes, trouble for sure. It will be a wild and crazy trial. Too bad they can’t get it pumped up like the Conrad Murray case or the LAPD Rodney King case. That’s what FFFF should work on is getting it out there, making it current, keeping it current, and making it be shown daily on the news and newspapers and internet, with daily press releases, etc. I honestly thought it would stay more current and active in the press, but it died quickly. I think it needs scandal or other things currently happening to keep it in the press. Otherwise, when the PD and the city leaders are quiet, things just die off.

          Oh well. It will be current soon enough we can hope.

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          1. seer2some

            I think once the trial starts, , it will be televised, , after all…..It is a history making case.

            I expect Ramos will let Cincinelli be tried first, believing he will use PTSD as an defense for his frenzied attack. Then Ramos will claim Cincinelli killed Kelly, , NOT him.

            I also look for Cincinelli to sue Fullerton (like he did LA), saying they should have known problems from his past injuries were bound to reappear. The fact that McKinley signed off on the POST requirements, will leave poor Fullerton holding the bag on his mess too!

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          2. Jane H

            “That’s what FFFF should work on is getting it out there, making it current, keeping it current, and making it be shown daily on the news and newspapers and internet, with daily press releases, etc. ”

            They are

            “I honestly thought it would stay more current and active in the press, but it died quickly.”

            It did not die! It never will!

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  57. Reality Is

    Even you know that’s not true Jane. You wish I was true though. Even your book doesn’t tell you that. 🙂

    Jane H :
    If no one responds to D-head, then we would never know the extent of hatred cops have for the average citizen. It confirms a lot for me, which is helpful.

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    1. Jane H

      MY book?

      That’s not all that I’m reading, btw. I spent many years in college and know how to study you right under the table.

      Creep!

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      1. Reality Is

        Good. Then you must be also opening your mind to reality. Be sure to educate yourself on the California laws and Polce policies also. Then do a few ride alongs. By the time you are done we should be able to hold a good class together. 🙂

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        1. Jane H

          “Be sure to educate yourself on the California laws and Police policies also”

          Yes, I’ve been looking into all of that. And a lot of it is not pretty.

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    2. Jane H

      I should have said: then we would never know the extent of hatred [SOME] cops have for the average citizen.

      Your condescending, flippant ways are undermining your credibility. The truth is that no matter how you say it, you believe your sh– doesn’t stink.

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      1. Jane H

        A ride-along would be good, just not with you. Why in the world would I want to have a class with you? You mean with you as the instructor?

        Gag me with a spoon!

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  58. Anonymous

    Tuco Ramirez :First to Anonymous #173: Tuco knows a phony when he reads one. And you are one! How do I know? Well, He is listed as a former Sheriff’s Deputy and you cannot be one unless you went though the academy. You knew that, but you chose to disparage another person’s character. That makes you quite a low life in Tuco Ramirez eyes.Concerning the Rizzo charges, I was up in Seattle at the track there and Rizzo had over 25 horses in training at the track! That made him one of the largest owners up there. The training and exercise fees and feed and vet average $2,500 per month. So Rizzo needed to come up with CASH $750,000 on his $800,000 per year salary just to cover the horse expenses, not including the cost to buy them! Rizzo will be spending quite a spell in state prison.

    You can tell the media whatever you want to. If you tell them you are a movie star, they will write that. So there!

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  59. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Reality Is :
    You are using a fact and changing what it means again.
    150 witnesses doesn’t mean 150 witnesses said the cops beat the shit out of him. It means 150 witnesses. That’s from the slide bar, the buses, the hospital, other cops, etc.
    Here’s a question for you. How many of the 150 actually saw the actual use of force? Actual fight? Actual punches, taser, etc?

    BULLSHIT, RI your a spin doctor and nothing more.

    You dance around the real issues and that has become obvious. Your experience in police work if your even a cop is so limited it shows.

    YOUR as phony as they come.

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    1. fullerton lover

      Anonymous :

      a bushala bully :so?

      So shut up..

      …I think that Bushalbully’s point is to back up your words with facts or links to same, instead of “so shut up”.
      Otherwise we all assume you to be a lowly troll that sounds like a little kid when confronted with what reality is.

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  60. Anonymous

    Justice for ALL :Just in case you haven’t noticed, this blog is a public forum. If you don’t like it when we comment on your idiotic comments, I suggest that you send your pal, R.I., a private e-mail message in the future.

    Like you said its a public forum and I dont have to sent anyone a private email. It’s ok when you fffffer’s talk amongs each other. Stop trying to hog all the air time.

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    1. Justice for ALL

      You will need to send a private e-mail to Reality Is probably HAMILTON, IF YOU DON’T WANT OTHERS TO COMMENT on your IDIOTIC posts.

      You are free to post as much, or as little, as you like. Feel free to post away, -but don’t expect to have a private conversation without any interruptions.

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  61. Anonymous

    fullerton lover :

    Anonymous :

    a bushala bully :so?

    So shut up..

    …I think that Bushalbully’s point is to back up your words with facts or links to same, instead of “so shut up”.Otherwise we all assume you to be a lowly troll that sounds like a little kid when confronted with what reality is.

    I dont have to back up what I say. None of you guys do. Unless its a far off web that doesnt make sense or something that happened years ago. You dont have to believe what I say, just like I dont have to believe what you say. It will all come out. So believe or dont believe I dont care.

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    1. fullerton lover

      I was just trying to help you with your credibility on this blog so that you didn’t sound like such a horses ass. Excuse me for caring.

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            1. a bushala bully

              RI I heard thru the grapevine that you were trying to plant news that I was in jail – same old piece o shit crack baby, arent you?

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                1. Reality Is

                  LOL MeriHoe is Bushala Bully!!! It all makes sense now. Welcome back MeriHoe!!! Were you not in jail after all? I bet your mouth is dirty as ever now huh? Welcome back. 🙂

              1. Reality Is

                I wasn’t saying that. Someone said it on here and they relayed a message from your jail cell that you would be back in a few months.

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  62. Anonymous

    a bushala bully :my point is, what the hell difference does Ron Thomas’s work status make in any of this?

    Not much, but it makes him out to be a “Big Liar”. Which will help the defense. I love my son…year right.

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    1. Fullerton Resident

      If you’re looking for a “Big Liar” I suggest your train your GED sights on Andy Goodbloat who was just ID’d as a serial liar!

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  63. Anonymous

    Anonymous :

    a bushala bully :my point is, what the hell difference does Ron Thomas’s work status make in any of this?

    Not much, but it makes him out to be a “Big Liar”. Which will help the defense. I love my son…year right.

    I meant…Yeah right!!

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    1. Reality Is

      Another thing that people like you and on FFFF would love to see, but the only way that will happen is if they disband the PD and go to OC Sheriffs. Guaranteed. 🙂

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  64. Anonymous

    a bushala bully :you are on crack. Analmoyous-no one cares this is not about Ron- you dirtbag, you

    Dirtbag, Ive never been called that. Thats what you are. No wait. You are a shitbag. This is about everyone. Freedom of speech.

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  65. charles

    Does anyone know how many of these corrupt politicians and police are Freemasons? Has anyone checked out the local lodge to see who’s going in and out?

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