What Are We Expecting?

Update 2: An FPD officer told a Friend last night that the police were in fact gearing up for potential protests in response to the DA’s announcement, which is expected in this coming week.

-Travis

Update: Travis, I can’t believe the FPD would be stoopid enough to start a riot at a benefit for the homeless (still, I’m wondering if their dumbness even has a bottom level). I truly believe the protesters in from of PD HQ are getting into their little heads. Everyone make as much noise as you want but PLEASE stay on the sidewalk!

– Mr. Peabody

Today a helpful Friend snapped these photos of Fullerton police officers dusting up on their riot control skills and baton swinging techniques inside the walls of the FPD compound.

The timing is curious. There is a rock concert for Kelly Thomas on Saturday. And the DA has hinted that he may make a big announcement about the cops who killed Kelly Thomas as early as Monday.

Nearby residents say that riot training is not a common occurrence in the FPD parking lot.

I wonder what’s going on?

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472 thoughts on “What Are We Expecting?

    1. Great title! “what are we expecting” apparently not a whole lot of supporters! You got a whopping 150 people to show up! Maybe you fffer’s should get the point!!! Plus most of the morons who post are from out of town!!!

    2. Just a little note: For those crying for violence against the FPD at this time in this venue, all you are doing is playing on the FPD paranoid minds.

      Also note… are there good cops? Sure. And they are so few and far in-between it is pathetic … and they usually do not last long. How many FPD cops who were at the scene of Kelly’s brutal beating intervened and STOPPED the brutal beating? How many went forward and said to the Chief, “My fellow cop is guilty of murder. I know, I was there. I witnessed it. And I will testify in court to that fact.” And it is the same thing in every city, county, state. Remember, cops are union… and can be just as brutal and thuggish as any other union… and those unions will protect their people… even the cops.

      One of the first things we need to do is stop romanticizing the unions, and get rid of the cop unions. It is these cop unions that cops hide behind. And it is these cop unions that lobby on behalf of the cops for their perks such as restricting cops records from being open to the public.

    1. Categorized | Featured, Guest Posts
      When Should You Shoot A Cop
      Posted on June 28, 2011. Tags: copblock, copblock.org, Double Standard, Harassment, Homicide, larken rose, police abuse, Police State, Surveillance, thin blue line

      That question, even without an answer, makes most “law-abiding taxpayers” go into knee-jerk conniptions. The indoctrinated masses all race to see who can be first, and loudest, to proclaim that it is NEVER okay to forcibly resist “law enforcement.” In doing so, they also inadvertently demonstrate why so much of human history has been plagued by tyranny and oppression.

      In an ideal world, cops would do nothing except protect people from thieves and attackers, in which case shooting a cop would never be justified. In the real world, however, far more injustice, violence, torture, theft, and outright murder has been committed IN THE NAME of “law enforcement,” than has been committed in spite of it. To get a little perspective, try watching a documentary or two about some of the atrocities committed by the regimes of Stalin, or Lenin, or Chairman Mao, or Hitler, or Pol Pot, or any number of other tyrants in history. Pause the film when the jackboots are about to herd innocent people into cattle cars, or gun them down as they stand on the edge of a ditch, and THEN ask yourself the question, “When should you shoot a cop?” Keep in mind, the evils of those regimes were committed in the name of “law enforcement.” And as much as the statement may make people cringe, the history of the human race would have been a lot LESS gruesome if there had been a lot MORE “cop-killers” around to deal with the state mercenaries of those regimes.

      People don’t mind when you point out the tyranny that has happened in other countries, but most have a hard time viewing their OWN “country,” their OWN “government,” and their OWN “law enforcers,” in any sort of objective way. Having been trained to feel a blind loyalty to the ruling class of the particular piece of dirt they live on (a.k.a. “patriotism”), and having been trained to believe that obedience is a virtue, the idea of forcibly resisting “law enforcement” is simply unthinkable to many. Literally, they can’t even THINK about it. And humanity has suffered horribly because of it. It is a testament to the effectiveness of authoritarian indoctrination that literally billions of people throughout history have begged and screamed and cried in the face of authoritarian injustice and oppression, but only a tiny fraction have ever lifted a finger to actually try to STOP it.

      Even when people can recognize tyranny and oppression, they still usually talk about “working within the system”–the same system that is responsible for the tyranny and oppression. People want to believe that ”the system” will, sooner or later, provide justice. The last thing they want to consider is that they should “illegally” resist–that if they want to achieve justice, they must become “criminals” and “terrorists,” which is what anyone who resists “legal” injustice is automatically labelled. But history shows all too well that those who fight for freedom and justice almost always do so “illegally”–i.e., without the permission of the ruling class.

      If politicians think that they have the right to impose any “law” they want, and cops have the attitude that, as long as it’s called “law,” they will enforce it, what is there to prevent complete tyranny? Not the consciences of the “law-makers” or their hired thugs, obviously. And not any election or petition to the politicians. When tyrants define what counts as “law,” then by definition it is up to the “law-breakers” to combat tyranny.

      Pick any example of abuse of power, whether it is the fascist “war on drugs,” the police thuggery that has become so common, the random stops and searches now routinely carried out in the name of “security” (e.g., at airports, “border checkpoints” that aren’t even at the border, “sobriety checkpoints,” and so on), or anything else. Now ask yourself the uncomfortable question: If it’s wrong for cops to do these things, doesn’t that imply that the people have a right to RESIST such actions? Of course, state mercenaries don’t take kindly to being resisted, even non-violently. If you question their right to detain you, interrogate you, search you, invade your home, and so on, you are very likely to be tasered, physically assaulted, kidnapped, put in a cage, or shot. If a cop decides to treat you like livestock, whether he does it “legally” or not, you will usually have only two options: submit, or kill the cop. You can’t resist a cop ”just a little” and get away with it. He will always call in more of his fellow gang members, until you are subdued or dead.

      Basic logic dictates that you either have an obligation to LET “law enforcers” have their way with you, or you have the right to STOP them from doing so, which will almost always require killing them. (Politely asking fascists to not be fascists has a very poor track record.) Consider the recent Indiana Supreme Court ruling, which declared that if a cop tries to ILLEGALLY enter your home, it’s against the law for you to do anything to stop him. Aside from the patent absurdity of it, since it amounts to giving thugs with badges PERMISSION to “break the law,” and makes it a CRIME for you to defend yourself against a CRIMINAL (if he has a badge), consider the logical ramifications of that attitude.

      There were once some words written on a piece of parchment (with those words now known as the Fourth Amendment), that said that you have the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures at the hands of ”government” agents. In Indiana today, what could that possibly mean? The message from the ruling class is quite clear, and utterly insane. It amounts to this: “We don’t have the right to invade your home without probable cause … but if we DO, you have no right to stop us, and we have the right to arrest you if you try.”

      Why not apply that to the rest of the Bill of Rights, while we’re at it? ”You have the right to say what you want, but if we use violence to shut you up, you have to let us.” (I can personally attest to the fact that that is the attitude of the U.S. “Department of Justice.”) “You have the right to have guns, but if we try to forcibly and illegally disarm you, and you resist, we have the right to kill you.” (Ask Randy Weaver and the Branch Davidians about that one.) “You have the right to not testify against yourself, but when we coerce you into confessing (and call it a ’plea agreement’), you can’t do a thing about it.” What good is a ”right”–what does the term “right” even mean–if you have an obligation to allow jackboots to violate your so-called “rights”? It makes the term absolutely meaningless.

      To be blunt, if you have the right to do “A,” it means that if someone tries to STOP you from doing “A”–even if he has a badge and a politician’s scribble (“law”) on his side–you have the right to use whatever amount of force is necessary to resist that person. That’s what it means to have an unalienable right. If you have the unalienable right to speak your mind (a la the First Amendment), then you have the right to KILL “government” agents who try to shut you up. If you have the unalienable right to be armed, then you have the right to KILL ”government” agents who try to disarm you. If you have the right to not be subjected to unreasonable searches and seizures, then you have the right to KILL “government” agents who try to inflict those on you.

      Those who are proud to be “law-abiding” don’t like to hear this, and don’t like to think about this, but what’s the alternative? If you do NOT have the right to forcibly resist injustice–even if the injustice is called ”law”–that logically implies that you have an obligation to allow ”government” agents to do absolutely anything they want to you, your home, your family, and so on. Really, there are only two choices: you are a slave, the property of the politicians, without any rights at all, or you have the right to violently resist “government” attempts to oppress you. There can be no other option.

      Of course, on a practical level, openly resisting the gang called ”government” is usually very hazardous to one’s health. But there is a big difference between obeying for the sake of self-preservation, which is often necessary and rational, and feeling a moral obligation to go along with whatever the ruling class wants to do to you, which is pathetic and insane. Most of the incomprehensible atrocities that have occurred throughout history were due in large part to the fact that most people answer “never” to the question of “When should you shoot a cop?” The correct answer is: When evil is “legal,” become a criminal. When oppression is enacted as “law,” become a “law-breaker.” When those violently victimizing the innocent have badges, become a cop-killer.

      The next time you hear of a police officer being killed “in the line of duty,” take a moment to consider the very real possibility that maybe in that case, the “law enforcer” was the bad guy and the “cop killer” was the good guy. As it happens, that has been the case more often than not throughout human history.

      1. We do not live in Russia.
        We do not live in Germany.
        It’s apples and oranges.

        There are 10’s of thousands of police in this country that would without a thought lay down their lives for the people they are sworn to protect. PLEASE, please, please stop painting all police with this black emotional, ‘hate them all’ instigating rhetoric.

        You have a few, apparently bad apples in the Fullerton Police Department.

        Treat them like you would want to be treated yourself. Not to bring religion into this, but remember, you are not perfect either. Neither am I.

        There but for the grace of the Almighty goes all of us.

        Take time to accumulate and evaluate all the evidence.

        Making statements like. ‘the “law enforcer” was the bad guy and the “cop killer” was the good guy. As it happens, that has been the case more often than not throughout human history.” is irresponsible and wrong. You have the right to free speech, but not the right to yell “FIRE” in a movie theatre. I’m hoping that except from the above irresponsible and untrue statements is ignored by all justice-seeking and fair minded people.

        I’m hoping in your real life you are a responsible citizen and that the above, comments are just a single abberation.

        Again. Oversee what the DA, FBI, Dept. of Justice and the courts. Attend meetings. Attend every public function. Be a known observer. This can’t be swept under the rug. It’s too big.

        In 64 years I’ve learned a lot the hard way, when it doesn’t have to be hard to learn.

        Push down your emotions and ensure these suspected police officers are treated in exactly the same manner you would want to be treated.

        If you want to live with hate, anger and vitriol then go buy a shack on a mountain and live by yourself.

        If you want justice and to live with other people, work for it, don’t lie, don’t incite, don’t bend, twist and fabricate untruths. If you can’t contribute to a working solution, then you’re more of a problem then the cops are.

        I have faith in OUR COUNTRY!!
        I even have faith in you that when the chips are down you will dig deep down in your soul and do the right thing.

        You have to, for what you do affects all of us.

        1. I back up good cops, I want all the nasty, coldhearted , sociopathic ass holes fired! Now!!!!!!!!!!, so fucking get to work , and HURRY the FUCK UP!

        1. BEING THE ARTIST THAT I AM, I CAN FREEHAND DRAW A STRAIGHT LINE BETWIXT THEM ALL! AND….NEVER COLOR OUTSIDE OF THE LINES YOU SHEEPLE!

    1. Dust off your concealed carry

      Oh, you’d like that, wouldnt you piggie?

      Don’t worry we’re going to keep it peaceful. This is what the Kelly Thomas movement is about.

      We’re not going to stoop to your level you pig.

  1. I only see 15-20 sausages..

    Nobody respects them anymore.. BUT that could lead to them trying to rape or intimidate or execute you because they cannot deal with an inferiority complex that they deserve

    They are not even citizens of USA no less police officers

    Please have a couple sings that just say SEPPUKU

  2. I have lived in fullerton for 25 years and never seen FPD in riot training.
    They should be doing some “ethical conduct training”. Then we wouldn’t be in this mess.
    When are they going to take some responsability? That is all the public is asking for.

  3. YouTraitor :

    Dust off your concealed carry

    Oh, you’d like that, wouldnt you piggie?
    Don’t worry we’re going to keep it peaceful. This is what the Kelly Thomas movement is about.
    We’re not going to stoop to your level you pig.

    are you drunk?

    I am telling you to protect yourself from them with guns and cameras

    They are KNOWN MURDERERS AND SEXUAL ASSAULTERS AND BRUTALIZERS

    I wish Kelly Thomas had a concealed carry and ended the lives of his attackers before they ended his

    1. I am telling you to protect yourself from them with guns

      OH YOU’D LOVE VIOLENCE WOULDNT YOU PIGGIE?

      OH YOU’D LOVE LOVE LOVE TO HAVE A REASON TO SHOOT PROTESTERS WOULDNT YOU PIGGIE?

      WELL GUESS WHAT?

      …NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRY TO PROMOTE VIOLENCE WE’RE GOING TO KEEP IT PEACEFUL, YOU PIG!

  4. The cops will probably be wearing hoodies, masks and carrying rocks, glass breakers and spraypaint.

    …Don’t let them infiltrate this peaceful gathering and try to turn it into a riot. Point them out and hold them down if need be.

    If someone is throwing punches, don’t join in (this what they want), instead separate and isolate them.

    Be prepared for them to infiltrate your rally and create trouble in front of the TV cameras.

    …Remember, point them out, don’t let them coax you into a fight and always keep an eye on them.

    Police provocateurs in action:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrJ7aU-n1L8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgZhaPipx1s

      1. Read the book Bananas, “how the united fruit company ruled the world.”

        It turns out that company is being used as a corparate manageing model.

        We may be experiencing blow back.

        Imagine all the years we used to watch TV before the internet,
        how it repulsed us,
        from our cozy couches,

        Now everything we used to see abroad is home with us here, right around the block.

        Like a disease brought back mistakenly by our troops

        Tell me this isn’t blow back, the unintended consequences of the American Empire.

        These images make it appear like the U.S. is starting to cave into itself.

        Hold onto your lugnuts everyone, we are in for an overhaul.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_massacre
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company
        http://books.google.com/books/about/Bananas.html?id=uQdHiU4lodAC
        http://www.infobarrel.com/Bananas_-_How_The_United_Fruit_Company_Shaped_The_World_by_Peter_Chapman

      1. Just wait until this recall is over,and the disbanding is complete. Instead of pounding the pavement with a hardon for killing people, They will be pounding the pavement for a job they won’t get around here. No city in their right mind would want to higher a fool that cost a city this much money, grief and the life of a homeless man who’s dieing words ecoed the love he had for his father.

      2. Here is another photo of them

        http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Beaglefamily.png

        You’re looking at Bigtime, Burger, Bouncer, Baggy, Bankjob, Bugle, Babyface, Megabyte, Bomber, Binky, Bacon, Bullseye, Bulkhead, Butterball, Bombshell and Bonsai beagle.

        The blonde is Officer Boom Boom Beagle. http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/268/5/7/boom_boom_beagle_by_tumiohax-d2zgmke.png

        …Her job is to get gang banged and molested by her beagle brothers.

    1. I agree with anon. If possible, a group of 6-8 individual should be recording from different angels of the perimeter to capture everything on video. It would be great if they also had 2-way communication amongst themselves help ward off any problems by infiltrators. Too bad the L.A.D.S. ( L.A. Death Squad ) aren’t around anymore to provide concert security. They used to do a hell of a job back in the days. I hope no one feels threatened by the name L.A.D.S. That is what they were called in the L.A./Hollywood music scene years ago. Peace to all of KT’s supporters. The good lord will be watching over all of you.

        1. YOU GOT IT MAN, THESE PIGS ARE A “DEATH SQUADRON” JUST LIKE IN CENTRAL AMERICA….THESE THUGS ARE LEARNING FROM THE ILLEGAL ALLIENS….

      1. We’re morons for taking an interest in human indecency? Wow. I hope when something horrific happens in my city that you take an interest so it doesn’t happen in your town. You, sir, are the idiot.

        1. These pigs are commies who don’t believe in free speech. One commented over at the OCR that protesters should be dealt with the same way they dealt with Mongolian dissidents in red China. That’s pork-fried rice paradise for these pigs. Pork wet dream to go with their comrades after they turn 40 and collect their pensions.

          1. You are supposed to be an intelligent well educated person.

            Why is it so hard for you to make your arguement without slander and rabble rousing invective?

            You destroy your own effectiveness when you do so.

      2. Ohio seconds that emotion!!! So you’ve done a formal poll to see where everyone is writing from? It’s called compassion for all human beings and the ability to see when something is VERY, VERY wrong. So everyone could all just sit around and wait for someone else to do something. UNITED WE STAND!!! I haven’t had to say this yet on this blog but….some people are so fucking stupid they don’t even know how stupid they are.

    1. Wait, so you were one of the most aggressively violent toned posters that attacked me for my opinion on noise control in the evenings and you don’t even fucking live here??? D-bag.

  5. Don’t forget the big picture. This isn’t about just what happened to Kelly Thomas. Or the other two guys that Hampton abused. Or the repeated sexual assaults.
    THIS IS ABOUT THE COVER UP BY FPD.
    We can all agree that there are a lot of GREAT cops. But when the good ones cover up for the bad one’s, that is the problem.
    I for one, can not wait to hear what the DA has to say. If for some reason those cops do not get charged by the DA, there will be blood…

        1. “No one has greater love than this–a man laying down his life for his friends.”

          I remember someone posted this:

          “Exactly just like 95% if the idiots on this blog are out of state! morons!!!”

          heard Rome fell do to 2 factors:

          1. From barbarians invading from the outside,
          2. And from Christians from the inside.

  6. You Fat Slob Pig Officer :

    I am telling you to protect yourself from them with guns

    OH YOU’D LOVE VIOLENCE WOULDNT YOU PIGGIE?
    OH YOU’D LOVE LOVE LOVE TO HAVE A REASON TO SHOOT PROTESTERS WOULDNT YOU PIGGIE?
    WELL GUESS WHAT?
    …NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRY TO PROMOTE VIOLENCE WE’RE GOING TO KEEP IT PEACEFUL, YOU PIG!

    You are frighteningly retarded and paranoid beyond belief

    Concealed carry is YOUR LEGAL protection… you gonna call the FPD to protect you..lol /cry

    Its ok.. I understand it is Friday and you are drunk

    I am the one who asked.. What would have happened to the guy in the black 4×4 who got ticketed for HONKING HIS HORN

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ IF IT WAS DARK and he was last to leave.. no videos.. only a missing persons report is my guess

    1. Dust off your concealed carry

      I am telling you to protect yourself from them with guns

      I wish Kelly Thomas had a concealed carry and ended the lives of his attackers

      We’re onto you pig.

      You’re trying to turn a peaceful protest about police brutality into a blood bath. You’re trying to make peaceful protesters look like violent thugs (like you) but don’t worry piggy, we’re going to keep it peaceful.

      The Kelly Thomas movement will not be derailed by provocateur scum like you.

      1. I will be there, I will have my camera and I will be looking for pig scum like you trying to stir up trouble.

        I encourage everyone else to do the same.

        1. These provocateurs don’t realize we the civilized and rational law abiding citizen, are starting to view them as smut peddlers trying to push their junk onto people.
          There may be a miss understanding.
          That may have worked in those poe dunk towns they patroled, but that isn’t life here in the big city.
          It seems these fear mongering brutes got a little addicted to that sense of power they got in the military, and brought it home like morphine addicts coming home from Vietnam.
          This may have been an unintended mistake.
          Twenty years ago we were all putting “support our troops” on our bumpers, then again ten years later.
          Now look what’s happening
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence)
          But we all know, Just leave it alone, It will fix itself if i just try to pretend its not happening.

  7. Don’t mind those troll dicks MeYou. They’ll be gone in a minute. I forgot you were an outatowner….Many thanks for your support.

  8. You Fat Slob Pig Officer :

    Dust off your concealed carry

    I am telling you to protect yourself from them with guns

    I wish Kelly Thomas had a concealed carry and ended the lives of his attackers

    We’re onto you pig.
    You’re trying to turn a peaceful protest about police brutality into a blood bath. You’re trying to make peaceful protesters look like violent thugs (like you) but don’t worry piggy, we’re going to keep it peaceful.
    The Kelly Thomas movement will not be derailed by provocateur scum like you.

    I am sorry that you have become so paranoid and disillusioned

    Have a nice life and hope the CA Retirement system didn’t take all the money for your meds

  9. wrong guy :
    Don’t mind those troll dicks MeYou. They’ll be gone in a minute. I forgot you were an outatowner….Many thanks for your support.

    Thank you.. I have told countless people here in colorado about this incident and so many others..

    I learned about this off of LakersGround.net and followed every day since

    I have also reached out to some of the homeless right here in my city..

    I plan to buy the local shelter here several copies of this book
    http://www.amazon.com/Choices-Discover-your-Most-Important/dp/0671674196

    1. When I was young, I felt bad for some of the homeless. They would get beaten up badly all the time. The streets are a horrible place to be. I knew cops that would watch out for these guys, cops that felt bad for them too. these cops could not help but get to know them, because these good cops, shared the streets with them on a daily basis. these cops would get to know everyone. Now they are getting rotatd out from one city to the next.

      It seems that upper management today is starting to adopt these distant, canned ideas from god knows where, maybe from school, maybe from word of mouth, I couldn’t tell you, but with an imploding population increase ( I know it sounds ironic) of poor and rich alike, most of us are being trampled on by a disconnected uncivilized population of outsiders.

    2. it’s people like MeYou that make me believe that Kelly’s death, and all our efforts afterwords have not been in vain. God will surely bless MeYou and all of us who follow his example of goodwill towards our fellow man who may be temporarily down on their luck.

      1. Our family has had a death, 10 years ago, do to a police beating. We also had family working with lawenforcment. We know good officers.

        “He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for his Maker, but he who is kind to the needy honors him.”

    1. PLEASE.. get back on your medication before you go!

      Too late you provocateur pig, you can’t dodge and weave your way out. The word is out. Everyone reading this forum and going to be looking for you pigs to stir up trouble.

      GAME OVER BOZO THE COP!

  10. fwiw.. at my age.. trolls don’t bother me at all..

    I have been an asshole just like them.. 🙂 .. so.. I lend them some small amount of empathy but try to smack them around a little with reality 😀

    1. If they, at least, attended church services once in a while, I am sure they would be able to find something more important to do, like get an education, or find friendships with everyday citizens.
      I know it’s possible, I’ve seen it before, and quite a few times.
      It’s fascinating to watch this wedge being maintained between civilian and law enforcement.
      The question is what does anyone do with this wedge?

  11. A study was done years ago that showed that as a rule most people believe that all people are just like themselves. A thief believes that all people are thieves and just haven’t been caught, a rapist believes that all men are rapists, a murderer believes all are murderers, the lazy, or incompetent, or brutal all believe all people are the same, on and on. If this study is even halfway accurate, then at worst some, most, all cops believe all of us are thieves, rapists, murderers, because they themselves are. At best, they believe we’re all either criminals or potential criminals because they are, the exception being that other cops let them off from speeding, other traffic offenses, rape, abuse of their wives and children, even murder because they all have badges. My point being that the reason they’re suddenly doing riot training is that because some, a lot, or all of them know themselves to be lawbreakers and believing all are like them think that of course we must be lawbreakers, getting ready to riot to rock music.

    1. As I’ve pointed out numerous times, it’s a fine line between cop and criminal when it comes to personality type, and this: “they believe we’re all either criminals or potential criminals” is something I’ve posted here, word for word, many times, and as recently as yesterday. In their ‘us vs. them’ world, the end justifies the means.

      Don’t get sucked into their way of thinking. Scrupulously value truth and honesty, while standing up proudly for what is right, and opposing that which is wrong.

  12. You Fat Slob Pig Officer :

    PLEASE.. get back on your medication before you go!

    Too late you provocateur pig, you can’t dodge and weave your way out. The word is out. Everyone reading this forum and going to be looking for you pigs to stir up trouble.
    GAME OVER BOZO THE COP!

    you really need help.. BAD

    you are beyond a nutjob..

    but like I said.. “Have a nice life”

    maybe you should learn how to use google and search this site for my posts

    Paranoids like you cannot comprehend facts so I sure you do not wish to seek any..

    go ahead and keep yelling if it turns you on

  13. That poor guy.. he is just drooling and seething and a “YOUMADBRO” target

    I take no offense.. if I did.. it would give him/her relevancy.. to which idiocy such as his/hers deserves no relevance

    1. MeYou I mostly agree with what you say when you post here. And I don’t think you are a cop agent provocateur. And I agree with our second amendment rights and our rights to defend ourselves against anybody and everybody who would try to harm us, no matter what uniform they might wear.

      But I’m not sure if you’ve really thought through what you’re saying. I think that protecting yourself with a gun at a crowded rally is EXTREMELY hazardous to everyone else around you. Innocent men, women, and children. A mother isn’t going to care if you were just trying to defend yourself when your shot misses and kills her child. Or if the police counter fire misses and kills her child. She will rightfully hate you for life.

      Do you think some cop is going to attack you in front of a ton of news media if you’re being peaceful? And then you are going to shoot him and nothing at all will happen afterward? Do you think that the other cops aren’t going to shoot back? That maybe they’ll just stand around and shrug and say “oh, well, he was just defending his rights”? Especially THESE thugs! Do you think you are going to take on dozens of cops by yourself?

      My point is this: think this through past the point in time at which you “protect yourself.” What happens next? Whom could your actions effect? I’m all for protecting myself but that seems to me like the worst possible time and place to assert that particular right, especially given the possible consequences to innocent bystanders.

      Maybe I’m overreacting and maybe you’ve already thought this all through. Maybe I’m misunderstanding you. I want to stress that we’re most likely on the same side and I’m not attacking you; I am just concerned by some of the things you have said. Can you clarify and/or help correct any of my misconceptions? Or perhaps see a different point of view?

      1. Stud Lee wrote: ” I think that protecting yourself with a gun at a crowded rally is EXTREMELY hazardous to everyone else around you. Innocent men, women, and children.”

        Ya think!!??

        It’s one thing to encourage people to face off the police with guns from several states away, and it’s another to actually attend the protest in hope of furthering the cause for justice and police reform.

        Keep it peaceful people, do not give the FPD an excuse to use the skills they are ‘dusting up on’ in these pictures. Truthfully, if you look carefully, they don’t really look too comfortable or confident, they look awkward and kinda scared, and that should give everyone pause and consider the level to which we have arrived.

        No rocks, no bottles, and if you see somebody trying to pull that shit, separate them out from the crowd, and do not get sucked into a situation where a peaceful protest turns into what many, if not most good people in Fullerton and OC, will see as a menacing to society. No good will come of it.

        1. “No rocks, no bottles, and if you see somebody trying to pull that shit, separate them out from the crowd”

          EXACTLY THIS. Anyone doing this is either a police agent provocateur or a complete fracking moron. Don’t help them provoke you!

          “Keep it peaceful people, do not give the FPD an excuse to use the skills they are ‘dusting up on’”

          Again, EXACTLY THIS. They are better at these skills than you. You can only lose, and you will probably take innocents with you. They WANT to use their skills. Don’t give them an “excuse.”

  14. Be careful at the Concert on Saturday – because these idiots – “wannabe Rambos” – are incompetent – untrained – unsupervised – and “will” Kill somebody – even if accidentally.

    I have a black vest that I wear to Irvine City Hall once in awhile – printed on the back it says – “Don’t Shoot – Idiot – I’m a Taxpayer”.

    Although Irvine and Tustin Cops are most likely to shoot themselves in the foot – or their partner – most recently – instead of chasing a Bank Robber who got three hundred dollars – they started shooting – in a crowded Shopping Center – a bullet went through a building and hit a Woman X-Ray Technician – at work – at a Hoag Irvine Medical Facility.

    Personally – I wouldn’t allow them to carry firearms – for the Public’s Safety – and to protect them from each other!

    – Dave

  15. Jake M. :
    Maybe you mean well but It does look a bit suspicious that you’re telling people to bring guns to the rally.

    Concealed carry is for protection only..

    FPD has murdered a man and tried to covered it up DEPARTMENT AND CITY COUNCIL WIDE

    I only asked that if you have a “concealed carry” to dust off the permit and think about protecting you or

    your females from that sexual assaulter
    or your teens from the idiot that locks 18yr old boys up in jail for 5 months illegally

    your own body from the culture of corruption that murdered a citizen named Kelly Thomas

    I trust you with a LEGAL concealed carry more than I do a FPD officer

    Reminder.. they murdered Kelly in front of other citizens YELLING FOR THEM TO STOP..

    Truth.. if you watched Cincinelli taser Thomas in his heart and then knee drop his throat and then smash the butt of his taser into Kelly’s nose and forehead.. what would you want to do or what would you feel should have been done on the scene… They murdered him while innocent citizens stood and watched in horror

    1. First of all it seems like you’re insinuating that women are property and incapable of defending themselves when you suggest people (I’m assuming men) carry guns to protect “your females”. Hate to break it to you but we’re way past those days.

      Secondly I read your earlier post and as the other guy pointed out you said, “I am telling you to protect yourself from them with guns” and I have no choice but wonder what you have in mind.

      I’m not going to get into a 2nd amendment debate but any logical person knows that if anyone tries to “defend” or “protect’ themselves is going to be outnumbered 20 to 1. The only point of bringing a gun to the concert and rally is to create chaos and mayhem which makes me very wary about what you’re trying to get at or trying to accomplish.

      Even though the other poster seemed a bit over the top I think he’s right to be suspicions of your intentions.

      The Kelly Thomas protests have always been peaceful and except for the police dept stopping people for horn honking or writing down license plates, they haven’t done anything remotely threatening to life.

      As for your final point about the beating, there is nothing I would or could do that would change the outcome of that and no one there expected or anticipated that those officers would beat Kelly to death.

      In reality if anyone tried to stop it they would either get killed or be thrown in prison for a very long time.

  16. Listen, if one hair on the head of any of the protesters, “accident” or not happens at the hands of the FPD nazi camp – they are instantly out of business and they know it

  17. In photo 1 when i enlarge I count about 14 midgets, in picture 2, hard to tell maybe 10 more and wondering if thats a chick at the gate? #3 photo- I wouldnt worry about this wide load crowd by the looks of them they couldnt run 10 feet without doubling over and Im sure a few of them have an asthma inhaler-

    I think I recognize that fat Cue ball head from setting up blocks on the street on saturdays-note they had to find a separate area to practice so all that combined wt wouldnt cause a 6.0 om the richter scale

  18. MeYou :

    You Fat Slob Pig Officer :

    I am telling you to protect yourself from them with guns

    OH YOU’D LOVE VIOLENCE WOULDNT YOU PIGGIE?
    OH YOU’D LOVE LOVE LOVE TO HAVE A REASON TO SHOOT PROTESTERS WOULDNT YOU PIGGIE?
    WELL GUESS WHAT?
    …NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRY TO PROMOTE VIOLENCE WE’RE GOING TO KEEP IT PEACEFUL, YOU PIG!

    You are frighteningly retarded and paranoid beyond belief
    Concealed carry is YOUR LEGAL protection… you gonna call the FPD to protect you..lol /cry
    Its ok.. I understand it is Friday and you are drunk
    I am the one who asked.. What would have happened to the guy in the black 4×4 who got ticketed for HONKING HIS HORN
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ IF IT WAS DARK and he was last to leave.. no videos.. only a missing persons report is my guess

    If everyone were peacful and lawabiding, and If no one called the police for help anymore, then this city wouldn’t need the department anymore right?

    1. It was pretty ironic that we had the 10-year anniversary of 9-11 and the reminder about how it was all civilians who took out Flight 93 from doing further harm. And then, there was the rescue by all citizens and one cop kinda standing around not doing anything that saved the motorcyclist trapped under the car in Utah.

      Some in government seem to feel you never can have too many police. I think you can, and we most certainbly do. With too many, they need to make up things to do. And the crying shame is this support for more and more cops is bipartisan. You’ve got alleged Republicans like Bankhead, and you have it in every “jobs” bill from Obama.

      1. Lol, I noticed that too ExPat.

        But I am positive that in the cop’s own mind he was the only one doing anything. He lifted the vehicle with one hand and pulled the victim from underneath with the other, while everyone else stood around and watched.

    1. WOW, this was really really good. The first couple of minutes might turn you off but if you watch the whole thing, I promise this will be worth it.

  19. There are about a dozen officers in the photos out of 110 in the FPD. I assume the rest are on administrative leave, vacation leave, graveyard shift, injury and accident leave, Chief of Police leave, and who knows what leave! So a dozen officers it is! Take their pictures even if they are excellent acting, they can then be called as witnesses. Bring your cameras! I will bet one or two of them in that group are fine outstanding police who will not keep silent if there is a problem.
    The problem is also in the DA’s office. FPD has been forewarned that there will be trouble. It is NOT about the Saturday concert at all.

    1. What does that mean? DA is not filing or filing lesser charges? Why else would there be “trouble” in Fullerton connected to the DA’s office?

    2. The part about the DA having supposedly warned FPD that there will be trouble is probably as accurate as this: “one or two of them in that group are fine outstanding police who will not keep silent.” Even fine outstanding police keep the blue wall in place. They depend on each other too much for it to be any different. The camaraderie, the frat boy-like nicknames for each other, all of this sort of thing is a big part of the why the wall stays solid.

      My guess is they are actually worried, and rightly so, that the synergy of a big crowd drawn in by a free rock show AND a serious protest could easily get way out of hand. Altamont comes immediately to mind, and others. Skinheads, anarchists, rocks, bottles, bricks, broken windows in downtown, there will be dudes showing up that live for that sort of thing. Frankly, I’ll be more surprised if it *doesn’t* happen.

      Makes me wonder, have the concert organizers given any thought at all to security?

      1. you nailed that one on the head! There were so many skinheads, anarchists, rocks, bottles, bricks, broken windows…shit I could hardly dance to the music peacefully will all that going on…moron…when will you people learn we aren’t here to harm our city, we are here to make it better

  20. Stud Lee :
    WOW, this was really really good. The first couple of minutes might turn you off but if you watch the whole thing, I promise this will be worth it.

    Are you referring to the vid I posted? I wasn’t sure.
    It is really good and worth the time.

  21. They certainly look odd, standing around all bunched up in their suits and hats.

    They like to stand close together. I think that’s sweet. Evidently they really like one other.

    Be careful tomorrow. They may be dorks, but they carry lethal toys. Watch it.

  22. I’m currently reading an interesting and totally depressing book titled “Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent,” written by Harvey A. Silverglate, with a foreword by Alan Dershowitz.

    The title pretty much sums up Mr. Silverglate’s premise; (federal) government has expanded to the point where we’re breaking obscure and ridiculous laws just by going about our daily business. This is bad. This is a bad, dangerous scene.

    And we all know this trickles down to the local level. You can get a ticket for honking your horn in some communities.

    “Go home or go to jail.”

    It will ruin your day, but I recommend Silverglate’s book.

    We’re in dire straits, friends.

    1. I sometimes wonder if there’s any fix to this. It seems to me that the Founding Fathers went to war for far worse than what we’re currently dealing with.

      I hear this constantly — “all politics is local” — but I don’t buy it. It was true once upon a time, and it would be true today if the locals would pay attention, but they don’t, most of the time. This is how the bad guys sneak into power.

      But I know this; all protests are local — or at least they start that way — and this may be our one best hope.

      I’m worried about the concert. I’m concerned that a few bad guys will incite a few dumb guys and that will be that.

      I remember well the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989. Of course we’re nowhere near that situation and I certainly don’t mean to compare apples and oranges, but I remember how it ended.

      The worst part of this is that the local bad guys really don’t have an ideology. Not really. They’re doing great harm to the community in order to protect and grow their personal wealth. It’s as cheap and chintzy as that. And they have a paid goon squad who is ready, willing and able to aid and abet them in this selfish endeavor, because there’s money in it for them as well.

      Take care tomorrow. Record everything. It’s a concert, but it’s not a party. It’s more than that.

      Keep the faith.
      Keep your wings.
      Watch your butts.
      Justice for Kelly Thomas.
      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg

        1. Politcs will become localsoon.

          The evolution of industrialism created the nation state out of the city state then it grew into the global economy. within decades, society will shrink back into city state societies with the depletion of oil:

          City state-agricultural wave-brute force driven economy.

          nation state-industrial wave-money driven economy.

          global state-post industrial wave-oil driven economy.

          global state srinks back into city state-Information-driven economy

          1. Bad news, but the super industrial wave of society is completely unsustainable.

            Humanity is reaching the zenith of industrialism.

            At this point hunanity has become very efficient at collecting resorces.

            This efficience will wipe out the super industrial society like a cat eating its own tail.

            Society, world wide, is eating itself out of existence.

            Everyone notices, and everyone is affraid of it, but rather than education ourselves, we comsume even more.

            You do know that oil reserves are srinking world wide, right?

  23. SUPPORT THE FULLERTON POLICE!

    That is what all of you should be doing instead from bashng them daily on this blog.

    If you don’t agree with how things are going, how people, citizens, the homeless are being treated, do something about it!

    Make changes. Don’t wait until a tradgey happens to go to the City Council meetings, get involved, know the people that represent you and this good city. You have no one to blame for the state of the city but yourselves by your complacency and your willingness to let everyone else do the voting and run for office and be Police Officers, mayors, DA s.

    Tony B. is trying to change the complexion of the City Council, albeit for selfish reasons but at least he is doing it. I think he is a snake but I respect his willingness to try to make changes. I know, I know, he wants to screw over the people of Fullerton, but at least he isn’t just sitting at home saying “I wish those people weren’t doing that!” He is effecting change.

    NOW You can do the same! Fight against people like Tony B. who are using the Kelly Thomas incident to further his selfish agenda, then you have the right to complain.

    And Tony is it true that you are busing in homless people and paying them to protest?

    That explains the smell at the Saturday Protests.

    C’mon people, register to vote, then do it!

    Support Your Police Department!

    1. They already are well supported…as evidenced by the paid vacation after bludgeoning someone to death.

      And by the way, paid vacation came three weeks after the fact. Chew on that.

      1. Known more
        We are doing something about it. This blog is about change. We want to make changes before anyone else mysteriously dies in front of 20 witnesses and they can’t determine the cause of death or charge anyone with the the crime. We are making change, before anyone else gets arrested for something they didn’t do. We are making change, before anyone else gets sexually assaulted without any convictions.

        Don’t u get it you moron. We are all fed up with the continual COVER UPs by FPD. All we want is justice. If the Fullerton 6 would have been charged, there wouldn’t be a recall. This blog wouldn’t be so highly visited. Fullerton wouldn’t be in the media. KFI wouldn’t be blasting about Fullerton on the radio. Mr Thomas wouldn’t be out fighting for justice.

        1. Get Real : “If the Fullerton 6 would have been charged…”

          Who said they aren’t going to be charged? The OC DA HAD to wait for the Thomas autopsy results before determing what, if any charges can be leveled against the officers involved. You and I both may think we know what the charges should be, but what if the toxicology report comes back with evidence of some drug the cops’ defense can say caused Thomas to behave wildly and erratically?

          What? Cover-up you say in waiting ten weeks for the Thomas tox and autopsy report? Sorry, that’s bullshit you’ve been fed: The tox and autopsy report in the case last spring of the Costa Mesa City Hall jumper Huy Phan took a full 10 weeks to come in, and when it did it was favorable to government officials who were being blamed for his suicide Turned out he was a cokehead with a whole buncg of that bad stuff in his blood when he jumped. These things take more time than many realize. 6 to 10 weeks or even a little longer is standard.

          Sounds like we are going to know in a few days what the DA is going to do, but in the meantime everybody needs to chill out before the show tonight. Cooler heads need to prevail.

          I can guarantee there will be knuckleheads there tonight who care nothing about Kelly Thomas but who will be looking for any excuse to start a riot. It happens all the time in LA and other big cities at outdoor rock events that aren’t even connected to a protest.

          It will be up to those of us who do care to help keep the scene peaceful. Inciting folks with misinformation and bullshit here hours before the event will not help.

          Be cool people.

          1. Just left the concert. No knuckleheads. Peaceful as can be. Two cops on the periphery, chatting with the crowd. No violence, no trouble, no problem!

      1. That bus driver who talked to talked to the witnesses on his bus is a hero. I have a lot of admiration for him. He had the presence of mind to know that something serious was up.

        1. His name is Ray, and I’ve met him and found that along with his exceptional moral turpitude, he’s a very nice guy that I’m sure you would all like.
          It’s also sort of ironic that Ray told me his regular bus was changed out at the last minute, and that was the only reason that he had the newer bus which had all of the cameras installed in it. This man is an every day guy that simply did the right thing when he was called upon to do so, and is truly a hero to all of us.

          1. fl, I’m sure you meant “fortitude” not turpitude.

            Ray is a freakin’ Hero in my book. The guy’s got more Hero in his toenails than FPD has in the whole department.

      2. Society is coming apart at the seems on every level of society, Like a baby about to be born.

        It hurts for everyone, but no matter what onyone does, a new way of life is about to come into the world.

        “Knowledge is the most democratic source of power.”

        “The future arrives too soon and in the wrong order”

        “Change is not merely necessary to life – it is life.”

        Future shock [is] the shattering stress and disorientation that we induce in individuals by subjecting them to too much change in too short a time.”

        “Man has a limited biological capacity for change. When this capacity is overwhelmed, the capacity is in future shock.”

        http://thinkexist.com/quotes/alvin_toffler/2.html

        “You’ve got to think about big things while you’re doing small things, so that all the small things go in the right direction.”

    2. They are doing something about it and reportedly people have been trying to make changes for some time from in and from without the police department. They have been reporting incidents and the incidents have just gotten worse.

      This seems to be because of the Police Officers Bill of Rights, attitudes of at least some groups of officers within the dartment, and the attitudes of the Chief, City Council, City attorney, and T-Rack.
      This is the existing reality that “Reality Is” has been trying to explain.

      There is also an attitude among the geneal populace that will continue to support the individuals conducting the police function rather than support the proper police function itself. Apparently, this is true for many even after a police homicide.

      Many times leaders only make changes in attitude when they are handed a problem that they have to deal with. These demonstrations are attitude changers.

    3. We have supported the police. We want to support the police. Somewhere along the line the police seem to have ceased supporting the citizens. This is not a one way street. The evidence of overwhelming malfeasance by members of the FPD has to be addressed BEFORE the average citizen is just going to call it even and go back to the way things were.

      Prosecute the police that committed the acts against an un armed innocent man which caused his death, admit we have a problem, put someone in front of the press from the police department who will stop lying, give us the plan to clean up the department including purging the thugs on the force and finally, show us some leadership from the city council. Then it would be a fair ask for us to “Support the Fullerton Police”. Until then it is appropriate to protest and scream for answers/change.

    4. Hello there Known’ More. I appreciate your opinion, but gee…a young man was beaten to death by six FPD officers here. I don’t really see how a blog, or the owner of the blog is in any way shape or form at fault for shining light on this. Frankly, FFFF seems to be the lone source of up to date info on this and many more FPD outrages. No offense, but I don’t see where you are coming from on this. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure there are good FPD cops, but so far, not one to my knowledge has spoken up. That implies tacit approval of the crimes committed by their fellow officers at worst, and just plain self-preserving cowardice at best. How can I support that???

  24. FYI, My daughter, our friend, and I, went to the Kelly Thomas memorial today, to pay our respects, and share a somber moment, reflecting on a strangers last moments, that has affected us deeply. As we made our way to the memorial, where Kelly was murdered, I recognized a couple of individuals near the memorial, that up till now I had only known of from these boards. Tony Bushala and Travis Kiger, even though I interupted thier conversation, they were both very gracious to us, and engaged us in conversation, and even complimented my daughter on the ” beautiful flowers” that she picked, to leave for Kelly. I hold these two men in the highest regards, they are both, careing and considerate gentlemen. Keep up the good fight! See you all tomarrow, be safe, and God bless.

    1. My kids and I all agree with you. When my 12 tear old son visited the memorial last night, my son turned to me when we got back in our car and said, ” I think that if the policeman actually talked with the protesters that they would see that they are really nice people”
      The greatest wisdom I say always comes from the mothes of children.

  25. Adendum to my last post: Even now after all this time that has past since Kelly Thomas was murdered by the fpd6, a feint outline of the pool of blood can be dicerned on the pavement, where Kelly struggled for life, this has affected my family and I deeply. Though I didn’t know you, I wish I could have helped you. Rest easy brother, justice will be done!

  26. Anon.: The Police Officers are not the ones who implemented the paid leave rule, You did, as a citizen of Fullerton. Oh, you didn’t vote? Okay then don’t blame the Officers for what has been done. And nothing has been proved about bludgeoning anyone to death. So instead of assuming it to be fact, try, innocent until proven otherwise.
    That will make you a better person.

    1. Yeah Kelly’s face got smashed in all by itself. Hey, where are your six pals hanging out these day?. I hear our Heroes are all cowering in hiding out of state. What bravery!

      Hahaha!

    2. Instead of assuming what you think is fact, why don’t you pull your head out of your pompous ass. Police officers paid leave is due to the Police Officers Bill of Rights, which is part of the California government code. It was pushed through by our beloved state house and senate with huge support from police officer unions…you know, the ones who paid to get those elected officials elected. They were the only ones who voted for it.

  27. Um, no I didn’t implement that. Nor anyone I know. We all tend to live in the real world of f*ck up, get fired. In the commission of a crime (bludgeoning certainly qualifies), it is go to jail then get fired.

    It’s really quite amazing at how fast these facts you speak of come when it is not a police officer that is the accused. You must be too smart to notice I guess.

    I do appreciate one Fullerton Police Officer (or someone with a conscience that has direct contact with an FPD member that is disgusted by this), and that is the one anonymous informant that has aired all the dirty laundry on the John and Ken show. Which by the way, a lot of what this anonymous informant stated has been proven as fact by witnesses and even the FPD. Goodrich’s broken bones theory…not so much.

    What was it you were saying about making one a better person? I’m sure Kenton Hampton could give you quite the lesson if you get close enough.

  28. I do not normally engage in blog participation but the Kelly Thomas beating/murder by 6 police officers,the police locking innocent people on trumped up charges,sexual assault on citizens while on duty and the lies has gained attention all around the world and I am standing with my brothers and sisters in this fight for justice. The astounding blatant cover ups just blows my mind coupled with the 3 seated (soon to be unseated) city council members and Chief Sellers who are turning a blind eye to these clear cases of wrong doing.Brothers and sisters of Fullerton you can trust in the fact that the whole world is watching this unfold and many,many major news media outlets will be covering today’s events,major media attention is being paid to this cause. I have so much frustration built up inside of me over this and I am many hundreds of miles away from this so I can only imagine what you all must be experiencing. I don’t want to ramble or rant,I just want the good citizens of Fullerton to know you are not alone and the world is watching.
    Please be safe and God be with you.
    “We Are The Voice Of Kelly Thomas”

  29. It would be a dick of a move if the D.A were to come out to say that they are not pressing charges on the day of the Kelly event. Why else would they have riot gear out?

  30. the horrific facts surrounding the kelly thomas beating death by fullerton police officers continues to increasingly inflame the public. I am not shocked the FPD is preparing for the worse because people think the worst of them. The FPD has lost its credibility and thus its authority as law enforcement. this police department should disband and the city of fullerton would better be served by contracting out it law enforcement needs.

  31. Longtimefullertongirl :
    OMG, this is something that I have never seen either and been here for over 50 years!

    Get ready for a new wave of order in Fullerton. The city bosses know that this upcoming monday that the D A is dropping the KELLY THOMAS case. These cops are training for the final solution. Breaking up the gathering today and mass arrests. I will pass on the event today I can’t run to fast at my age.

  32. Wow. I find this completely mind boggling. I don’t want to believe that this sort of thing goes on and yet it obviously does. To have this level of corruption takes a lot of cooperation and collusion by leadership and the rank and file. I would be afraid to live in that town. Seriously. I saw the pictures of the police practicing in their riot gear. Very scary. A reasonably intelligent police force would at least know that at this time in particular, when all eyes are upon them, would be the time to be very careful and to be practicing peaceful ways of managing a concert for the homeless–notice I did not even say a demonstration, it’s a concert. The fact that they still don’t get it is what makes it so scary. I can’t imagine living in a town where there is an Us Against Them mentality and the “Us” is the police force and city government and the “Them” is the citizens. Please be careful but don’t give up.

    1. You can call it a concert all you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that the regular Saturday Kelly Thomas protest crowd will be showing up at the event as angry as ever, except now they will be joined by the usual jackasses who show up at free live rock shows to mosh, start fights, throw rocks and bottles and generally incite violence.

      The cops damn well better be ready because downtown Fullerton probably hasn’t seen anything like this kind of potential for violence and rioting in a long time, if ever.

      1. I understand the prediction but the crowd was mixed, mellow, friendly. Whitaker and Silva were even there along with noted Fullertonians from left and right. A nice, G-rated scene.

  33. Hear Me Out :
    It would be a dick of a move if the D.A were to come out to say that they are not pressing charges on the day of the Kelly event. Why else would they have riot gear out?

    I hope you are wrong. You are on to something. The city bosses know the outcome ahead of the rest of us city taxpaying trash.

    1. Well, it’s hard to imagine the DA making any sort of announcement on a Saturday. But they could be getting geared up for next week.

      If on the wild, fantastic chance (sorry Eyeneversayno) the DA chooses to prosecute, the cops may just go off on a crazy rampage through DTF smashing windows and bludgeoning people just for the hell of it.

    2. The “riot costumes” could be because the DA announcement will be what some people want and not what others are hoping for-I doubt they are going to not press some sort of charges

      or they just want to look like intimidating Keystone Cops

  34. Known’ More :
    Anon.: The Police Officers are not the ones who implemented the paid leave rule, You did, as a citizen of Fullerton. Oh, you didn’t vote? Okay then don’t blame the Officers for what has been done. And nothing has been proved about bludgeoning anyone to death. So instead of assuming it to be fact, try, innocent until proven otherwise.
    That will make you a better person.

    Exactly, voter apathy brought us where we are today. Vicious cops who have Carte Blanche powers extended to them by their leaders on the city board. They exploited our trust and designed financial abuse on our community. They will return to work after the D A exonerates them. They will then return to duty and follow Boss Sellers into early retirement and laugh in our faces while we face enormous civil suits with all the citizens coming forward with claims against the FPD.

  35. Jail Time :
    Well, it’s hard to imagine the DA making any sort of announcement on a Saturday. But they could be getting geared up for next week.
    If on the wild, fantastic chance (sorry Eyeneversayno) the DA chooses to prosecute, the cops may just go off on a crazy rampage through DTF smashing windows and bludgeoning people just for the hell of it.

    TAKE YOUR FAMILY AND GET OUT FAST THEY’RE UP TO SOMETHING.

  36. Fullerton City Workers are being told to be ready to evacuate and shut down within 10 mins of any announcement regarding the Kelly Thomas case. This would fit in with the recent sighting of the FPD riot training. Scary times. Why can’t the City just do the right thing? This is a mess of their making, and their actions only make it worse.

  37. blessusall :
    That bus driver who talked to talked to the witnesses on his bus is a hero. I have a lot of admiration for him. He had the presence of mind to know that something serious was up.

    HE’LL DEVELOP AMNESIA AFTER HIS CHAT WITH THE FPD.

  38. The reason why this is happening is because they are in a Panic State. All these protests are causing a mental hazard, and it is affecting their brain and their training. I really blame the academies that train them. The academies let them come to class drunk from the night before. They were drinking in downtown Fullerton, If you think author Joseph Wambaugh wrote some unbelieveable stories you should have been in the academy with some of these guys. They didn’t come prepared. The cheated with the L.D.’s and the staff highly recommended them because they could,”kick A**!” The recruits that studied hard and knew the material were the last to be recommended! They people forgot their training. They are trained to remain calm at all times and to maintain command presence but since they were drunk half the time they don’t remember! I don’t feel sorry for them at all. I hope that everyone that was ever arrested comes forward and sues the pants off of the city of Fullerton!

  39. I wonder if they will post riot cops in the street in front of the sidewalk to keep people from harassing cars… and to intimidate protesters!

  40. I just got off the phone with KFI newsroom, and they said no reporter is available for today’s protest/concert. Please be extra vigilant regarding these police moles in our midst. They will try anything to discredit our efforts out there today.
    If anyone has to make a citizen’s arrest on one of these dolts, make sure you get plenty of witnesses AND video backup.

  41. Remember what L.A.P.D. did a few years back to clear streets. They used batons, pepper spray, anything they could. This was on people not doing abything, so I do expect this kind of action may present itself today.

  42. Stop with the conspiracy stuff already, like it or not, the cops are right in preparing for trouble TONIGHT.

    I can promise with near 100% certainty that there will be knuckleheads in the crowd who care nothing about the Kelly Thomas murder, they will be drawn in by the promise of free live rock music and they will be looking to start a riot. This is an inevitable part of any event like this, even when it’s not connected to a protest. Think of the LA Street Scene riots in the late 80s as just one memorable example.

    Add in the anger and frustration felt by those showing up to protest the Thomas murder and you’ve got a ‘perfect storm’ situation for violent unrest this evening.

    Please people, everybody try to chill. If it doesn’t get ugly tonight I’ll be very, very surprised. Thankful, but very surprised.

    1. I hate you & your riot theories. Take that shit elsewhere. FPD are the thugs. The people who want justice are peaceful. No one will be rioting tonight. That is unless you & your cronies or FPD undercovers start something. You’re an asshat 🙂

      1. It’s not the people who want justice for Kelly I’m worried about moron, it’s the usual punks, skinheads, neo-nazis, anarchists and garden variety knuckleheads that show up at free rock shows, ready to start trouble.

        Wait maybe you’re not a moron, maybe your problem is just that you are a paranoid hater and your tin foil hat is on a little too tight… 🙂 LOL

        1. What happened to the riot? I didn’t stay the whole time, but it seemed pretty peaceful the 3 hours i was out there. I didn’t find any mention of a riot in the news either. Hmm…

    2. “I can promise with near 100% certainty that there will be knuckleheads in the crowd who care nothing about the Kelly Thomas murder”

      Is this inside information that there will be FPD agent provocateurs? How could you otherwise be certain 100% that knuckleheads who care nothing about the murder will be there?

  43. Coincidentally, these entries were just posted today on the Facebook group, “I Grew Up in Fullerton” I had forgotten about this incident.

    ************Begin copy & Paste************
    I remember the police putting on riot gear, smashing cameras and busting heads in Hillcrest Park. If I recall correctly, the park had becomea hangout for hippies on weekends, with free concerts at the bowl, but the City couldn’t abide that and shut the park. A group, Hillcrest Liberation Front or something, decided to take the park, and the police were ready with billy clubs and so on.

    From what I read in the news, police brutality in Fullerton is worse than ever. That’s so sad, and so disturbing.
    LikeUnlike · · Follow PostUnfollow Post · 57 minutes ago

    ************
    The famous Hillcrest Park Confrontation, Sunday, October 25, 1970.

    ************
    I remember that day well. First being chased out of Hillcrest and down Lemon to Berkley. A friend of mine and myself were chased across the north field by a cop on a motorcycle. We ended up in the barranca.

    ************
    Yes, I remember they told everybody to leave, then they blocked the exit and started smashing everyone’s cars with their billy clubs. But wasn’t this in 1974? The Fullerton’s Finest were just thugs back then.

    ************
    @ Dave, I think that same cop on the motorcycle ask me for ID that day. I was 19, and at the time, I looked like a radical.

    ************
    @ John, unless there was another one later, it was October 25, 1970. The Fullerton police beat everyone down lemon to Berkley. Lots of blood that day. A few dayds later a Bank of America branch in Irvine was torched and the police found a sign reading, Pigs out of Hillcrest.

  44. Coyote :
    Fullerton City Workers are being told to be ready to evacuate and shut down within 10 mins of any announcement regarding the Kelly Thomas case. This would fit in with the recent sighting of the FPD riot training. Scary times. Why can’t the City just do the right thing? This is a mess of their making, and their actions only make it worse.

    Sadly they don’t know what that is. They are a bunch of sociopaths with badges. It’s going to take a lot of persistent pressure and patience from those who’s only agenda is truth and justice to bring any kind of peace to the hearts of concerned citizens. We can’t let the darkness of ignorance win. The light of truth will prevail.

    “I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. This is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant.”

    “Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy into friend.”

    “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”

    “Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals.”

    “Nonviolence means avoiding not only external physical violence but also internal violence of spirit. You not only refuse to shoot a man, but you refuse to hate him.”

    – Martin Luther King, Jr

  45. If the crowd starts a mosh pit, watch out, that will be the first sign of trouble. And trust me, there will be plenty of assholes that will show up to mosh to anything free outdoors. It doesn’t have to be punk rock.

    Again I wonder, have the organizers of this event made any attempt to provide private security? Or is it going to just be left up to the FPD? If so, given the situation, that’s insane.

  46. EyeNeverSayNo :
    Stop with the conspiracy stuff already, like it or not, the cops are right in preparing for trouble TONIGHT.
    I can promise with near 100% certainty that there will be knuckleheads in the crowd who care nothing about the Kelly Thomas murder, they will be drawn in by the promise of free live rock music and they will be looking to start a riot. This is an inevitable part of any event like this, even when it’s not connected to a protest. Think of the LA Street Scene riots in the late 80s as just one memorable example.
    Add in the anger and frustration felt by those showing up to protest the Thomas murder and you’ve got a ‘perfect storm’ situation for violent unrest this evening.
    Please people, everybody try to chill. If it doesn’t get ugly tonight I’ll be very, very surprised. Thankful, but very surprised.

    It is thinking like yours that instigates and perpetuates fear and violence by making room for it and thereby giving it power. Our thoughts are very powerful. I see a peaceful gathering because I won’t give power to anything else. We create the world we live in with our thoughts.

    1. I respect what you are saying. The power of positive thinking.

      That being said, I’ve been going to all kinds of shows for 40 years, and unfortunately all the positive thoughts in the world won’t stop the mayhem when some skinhead shouts “kill the hippy” and the knuckleheads start stomping on some poor peaceful positive thinking longhair with their Doc Martins. When you see this happen first hand, it sure makes an impression on you. This is why you have big-time security these days for every kind of show throughout the pop and rock spectrum, from Justin Bieber through Fear.

      And let’s not forget the plain old anarchists. Hopefully these kinds of folks aren’t going to show up, but I sure as hell wouldn’t count on it.

      If the FPD plays it right they will keep a very low profile but they will be prepared for rioting downtown. Unfortunately, they don’t always seem to play it right.

      You know, ironically, your handle reminds me of Rolling Stones front man Mick Jagger desperately imploring the crowd at Altamont, “if we are all one, let’s show we are all one… people please, we can get it together, come on.” The band then broke into Under My Thumb, and before the end of the song a young man by the name of Meredith Hunter lay dying on the ground by the front of the stage, stabbed to death by Hells Angels. Historians now say that if a single moment defined the end of peace, love and rock and roll, that was it. We are not all one. Sadly, that’s the reality.

      Keep cool and good luck to all of us tonight.

        1. Yes, after a long day of witnessing the Angels beating on crowd members with pool cues and even punching and knocking out a member of the Jefferson Airplane, causing the Dead to decide not to go on stage for their set.

          Interesting though that you seem to be okay with the Angels acting as judge, jury and executioner. I hope you don’t feel the same way about the FPD and Kelly Thomas.

          1. N’ you seem ta be okay wif FPD actin’ as judge, jury ‘n executioner on that poor Messican boy, jes. cause mater sed he was a gang banger.

            Say whut dun happined to that boy Mater?

            N’ what’s a gonna happin wif yer boy Ruckus?

    1. TIGERMANLSU :
      ARE THAY SENDING IN THE ITAILIAN,S from Galveston Tx. I heard thay run the city quiet well.!!!!!

      TIGERMANLSU, you really should stop posting. You nullify the poor education of the police apologists on this blog with your own terrible spelling and punctuation. Do us all a favor and just sit down before you hurt yourself.

  47. As long as they are not trying to provoke trouble, you should be happy to have undercover officers among you. They are there to keep you safe and to protect your rights. And it can also be a lot out fun trying to blow their cover.

    I was at a demonstration on a corner years ago when I noticed two men standing high on a landscape berm behind me. They both had bulky vests. I climbed up to them and just started chattering. They were both contraactors, had heard abought the demonstration on the radio and just decided to drop by.

    I asked them what kind of contractors they were. Any real contractor would love this question, pull out business cards, try to interest you in their skills, and go on and on and on about the good work they do. But one of the two got angry with me. “I don’t see how that makes any difference”, he said.

    Of course, the question was the difference between a real contractor and a cop.

    Good questions in Fullerton would be to ask questions of their opinions about the Fullerton 6 officers by name that any protester would answer but that a cop could not answer according to the Police Officer’s Bill of Rights.

    Or just enjoy their company.

    1. I don’t think anyone is worried about undercover officers watching from berms, pretending to be contractors. People are worried, justifiably, about undercover officers smashing windows or throwing things at the police to give them a pretense to start beating and arresting people.

  48. Thoughts are energy, and like all energy, attract similar energies unto themselves.

    What goes around, comes around. We are only hurting ourselves when we mistreat another.

    When you look at another person, you’re not seeing another person, you are seeing another image of yourself. I am another yourself, we are each other.

    It is through the manipulation of people’s beliefs and their emotions that creates the world we live in.

    Real love comes from the true understanding that we each other and the divisions that exist between us are an illusion. Stop the divisions and the system of control breaks down.

    The more people who collectively live in love, the more the overall consciousness of man ascends.

    “When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself.”
    ― Wayne Dyer

    “You and I are all as much continuous with the physical universe as a wave is continuous with the ocean.”

    “Each time a man looks into your eyes, he is only searching to find himself; for he knows already, that he is part of you”
    ― Jeremy Aldana

    It’s Just A Ride

    We are all drops from the same universal ocean.

    We are ALL ONE.

    1. While I respect your thoughts, really what these quotes reflect is a concept known more simply as ‘projection.”

      I believe that in fact we are not ‘all one,’ but rather very small parts in an infintely large universe, one that can be thought of as a conscious entity which is trying to understand itself. This is why the birds and the whales sing. And it is why we humans try so hard to communicate with each other; understanding being the key to achieving our shared desire for peace and serenity.

      Best wishes to you and yours.

      1. I think both of you seem highly intelligent, having said that, the issue for me is the “elephant in the room” and that “elephant” is the concept of “evil” and it’s reality.

        Moral relativism would tell you “evil” is relative to your circumstance but it would beg the question of who is “in charge” of your decisions and destiny and who says what choices/actions are fair and good?
        In short, who is God?
        Who is Judge?
        You?

        The universe has what is known as black-holes. Energy or light goes into this bottomless eternal darkness and never escapes.
        Where we all come from is a valid thought, but where we are all going is another valid thought; in that our life/energy/our soul and spirit turn our choices/actions into reality and ultimately into our short and long term destiny.

        God bless.

      1. Please do not mention donuts. I get all tingly inside.

        Of and yeah, two cops suffered broken bones at today’s concert.

  49. I would like to wish everyone who goes to the concert today a safe and wonderful evening.

    That being said, I would also like everyone to be very vigilant for potential instigators. The Kelly Thomas beating tradgedy has in some ways triggered a politcal powershift. Even if the FPD does not send instigators (although they very well might) it is a common political tactic to plant instigators in any crowd like the one which will be gathering this evening.

    The “three blind mice” are begining to exert their own brand of political exertion through that ridculous website, and attempting to get recall petitioners removed from retail parking lots. I would NOT put it past them to send people to start a fight or a riot to give them some sort of perverse moral ground. Please be safe everone. I’ll be praying for all of you as well as Kelly Thomas an family.

  50. Travis updated this blog entry with: “An FPD officer told a Friend last night that the police were in fact gearing up for potential protests in response to the DA’s announcement, which is expected in this coming week.”

    Hmm, my first hand information from my OC deputy sheriff neighbor this morning is that elements of his department were put on notice to be prepared for the possibility of unrest in Fullerton tonight, and to be alert to the possibility of a mutual-aid request.

    I suppose both could be correct.

    I certainly hope that if the FPD is indeed gearing up for an announcement from the DA’s office, it isn’t in relation to specific information with regard to controversial charges or lack of same. That would mean the autopsy and toxicology tests came in with information unfavorable to prosecution.

    1. Sounds like you’re now expecting your boy the do-nothing DA to do nothing. Newsflash, Ace. Nobody except you ever expected that amoral zit to do anything.

      1. well said An Eye-well said.

        Big shocker if that loser nazi lover chooses not to press charges, but, iif so, its way not over, no matter what happens-and we’ll still be protesting -so get used to it nitwit.

    2. By “unfavorable to the prosecution” you mean giving your boy who does not want to prosecute an excuse not to. The coroner whore is also a part of law enforcement. She had cause of death already and wanted toxicology to see if she could make an excuse it was something else.

      My fellow Coloradan here can tell you what happens in Denver with these delays and non-releases of video – a massive exercise in denial of common sense and coverup for fellow government drones. Each state needs a special prosecutor or more who only deals with law enforcement and other government crimes, so he or she is not dependent on them as witnesses in everyday cases.

      It took a special prosecutor to prosecute a lying scumbag pig for perjury in Colorado after this dirtball’s lies put an innocent man in prison for murder.

      I will be happy to blog mea culpas to everyone if I’m pleasantly surprised by at least a manslaughter filing by Ruckus.

  51. Michael Gennaco, the “independent” investigator hired by the FPD, has proven himself incapable of unbiased and thorough investigation, as evidenced by the numerous and glaring omissions (and his explanation of them) in his report on the Matrice Richardson case.

    http://www.lamag.com/features/story.aspx?ID=1515070

    Excerpt:

    When someone levels a serious complaint against the LASD, it’s often handled by the Office of Independent Review, a group of private contractor attorneys that reports to the county board of supervisors. Michael Gennaco was in his late forties when he was selected by the board in 2001 to head the new watchdog agency. Tall and soft-spoken, with short gray hair, Gennaco speaks with the specificity of the federal prosecutor he once was. Investigations of the LASD, he explained, are conducted by the LASD’s own Internal Affairs department. “Our bread-and-butter work,” he told me at the OIR’s offices in the City of Commerce, “is to ensure that the investigation that is done is a thorough investigation.” No Internal Affairs investigation of Mitrice’s arrest and release was ordered, however. Regardless of criticism of the sheriff’s department from the family, the public, and the press, “there really wasn’t a complaint or any allegation of violation of policy,” Gennaco told me. Instead of mandating a formal investigation, the OIR called for a “preliminary inquiry.”

    On July 9, 2010, one month before rangers found Mitrice’s body, Gennaco’s office issued a confidential report to the board. The 58-page document was leaked right after Mitrice’s remains were discovered. In it the OIR declares that Mitrice’s “questionable behavior included going to a restaurant, ordering a meal, parking valet, and leaving without a means to pay” but does not acknowledge Deputy Loureiro’s alleged remark about Mitrice’s “odd statements.” Rather, the OIR determines that the Lost Hills deputies didn’t endanger Mitrice by releasing her and cites the sheriff’s manual, which states, “Misdemeanor prisoners shall be released in the field whenever it is reasonable and safe to do so.” The report excludes two California penal codes about filing missing persons reports, one of which states, “it is the duty of all law enforcement agencies to immediately assist any person who is attempting to make a report of a missing person,” and the other of which states, “…the local police or sheriff’s department shall immediately take the report and make an assessment of reasonable steps to be taken to locate the person.” The latter code, in fact, requires even more stringent measures when it comes to missing persons who have no history of disappearing, are mentally unstable, or both. The OIR document also claims that Deputy Bomgardner “explained the procedures for filing a missing person report” to Latice. Of course, according to the audio released by the department, he simply told her that if she called back in a couple of hours, “maybe we can do something for you.”

    The omissions continue. The report doesn’t contain a word regarding Lieutenant Chew’s e-mail that says Deputy Loureiro felt Mitrice was acting unusual and that he was uneasy about letting her go. There’s nothing about how the jail cell video was in Captain Martin’s desk drawer for more than three months while he denied its existence. In response to suspicions voiced by Mitrice’s family about the footage, the OIR report concludes that the deputy seen leaving the building after Mitrice couldn’t have abducted her because he was on official business with his partner and because Mitrice was seen several hours later in Monte Nido, yet the passage accounts for only a few minutes of the whereabouts of the deputy and his partner on the day Mitrice disappeared.

    Despite a proclamation on page six that asserts “OIR played a multifaceted role in the review of the department’s actions,” the claim is accompanied by a footnote: “OIR did not conduct any interviews of the deputies and station jailer who had actual contact with Ms. Richardson on September 16 and 17, 2009, or who were involved in her being taken into custody or released from custody.” In other words, sheriff’s personnel got to choose what they handed over to the watchdog agency.

    After our first meeting, I called Gennaco and asked if he’d see me again to clarify parts of the report. “I can try and help,” he told me. “But some of it may be unclear—because it’s unclear!” He laughed. “Here’s one of the problems, of course. This was not written for the public. It was written for the board just as an update. It wasn’t intended to be particularly clear.” In our second meeting Gennaco couldn’t explain why so many details had been left out of the report that he’d approved and signed off on. He didn’t conduct the inquiry or write the document, he said. (The report’s author no longer works for the OIR; he didn’t respond to interview requests.) I mentioned the family’s concerns about the withheld video and the deputy in the footage. “Yeah, sure,” Gennaco said. Could the deputy and his partner, he continued, have “abducted Richardson on the road, taken her to a secluded area, dumped her, and then three days later taken her up to where she was eventually found? Anything’s possible. I mean, aliens coming down are possible! The mere fact that someone’s coming out the door shortly after somebody else means absolutely nothing to me! There’s no evidence that [they] didn’t do anything wrong. There’s no evidence that you didn’t!”

    1. Gennaco is the person the Orange County Human Realtions Commission executive director, Rusty Kennedy, highly recommended to Fullerton city council as the person best suited to give an “independent” investigation into FPD’s brutality toward thomas and others. Of course ex-fullerton police chief and current city council member, Pat McKinley, was pleased with rusty kennedy’s recommending Gennaco. Would McKinley’s approval of rusty Kennedy’s suggestion be due to the fact that McKinley has served on orange county Human Relations board when rusty was its executive director? Has rusty kennedy surreptiously chosen Gennaco because McKinley wants this man to do the “independent ” investigation? Does rusty not bite the hand that feeds him, the city councils who volunteer our tax dollars to continue subsidizing the orange county human relations commission? Does cronyism and protection of each other from public criticism arise form a financial arrangement or friendship? who knows? but I’m sure both of these men run into each other as both of them are long-time residents of fullerton

    2. THAT IS WHY WHEN I FIRST HEARD GENNACO IS BEING CONTRACTED TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT OF KELLY’S DEATH, THAT PEOPLE NEEDED TO BE SUSPICIOUS AND NOT NAIVE. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WHO IS GIVING HIM HIS PAYCHECK AND WHO HE OWES HIS LOYALTY TO.

  52. The next paragraph in the excerpt above (didn’t get copied):

    Gennaco is right. The deputy at the door could have been pure coincidence and might not have even seen Mitrice. But, says Latice, “I’m entitled—as is the public—to a more thorough explanation than the one they provided, especially after being told that there was no video. If you consider how many other details they left out, it looks like a whitewash that lets LASD off the hook.”

  53. If you enlarge pic #1, you see one of the (for lack of better terminology) wall holder uppers striking the palm of his hand with his stop resisting stick.

    In pic #2 he almost looks as if he is crying from striking his palm a little too fiercely.

    1. These pee brains need to find a better trade.

      It looks like they are only impressing each other.

      We used to do stuff like that when we were children. puffing ourselves up, scared of the world.

      Ive seen drunks do the same thing when they walk out of the bars.

      You don’t suppose the department learned these things from all those college kids, there in down town

      some people never grow up.

  54. I thought there would be more people here for this concert. And no KFI rep?

    You are losin’ it.

    Time for all to go home and get back to life and back to reality.

    I SUPPORT POLICE EVERYWHERE! And yes there are some bad ones.

    There was an Officer stabbed to death early this am in a similar situation to that of Kelly Thomas. The guy ran away from the police who attempted to detain him, and then he pulled a knife and stabbed the officer to death.

    That very easily could have been the case here.

    Prayers for the Fullerton 6.

    1. It was the same, except for the knife, & the stabbing parts of the story. The case here was Kelly was beat to death by multiple cops.

    2. how could it have “easily” been them? – you moron, you.
      Kelly didnt have a weapon and there were 6 mentally ill fat hogs on top of this little guy who was not doing anything wrong, making alpo of his head with the butts of their tasers and knee dropping in his throat, you heartless demon- my prayers are that these murderers go straight to jail where they belong and get befriended by bubba in the klink and anyone, like you, who supports these animals gets the their eyes and heart opened.. thats my prayer

    3. Huntington beach cop shot to death 16 year old female teenager wow what a threat! kelly Thomas had nothing real threat.

      1. Why do you continue to rabble rouse?

        The above statement by you is not true.

        Back in 1974 you were still dealing with Mississippi Burning type good ol’ boys.

        You have by far a better batch working now.

        It’s the job of the citizens of this country to keep an eye on those put in office. If we don’t, then we have only ourselves to blame.

        Statements like, “Now most are scum.” just shows a lack of responsible behavior by you.

        How about focusing on the facts to get justice for Kelly, instead of just running around making inflamatory and incendiary statements?

  55. Hey all. Really enjoyed meeting all the ones at the protest/concert. Fun was had by all except Captain Hughes, and his co horts. Oh well, better luck next time guys.

      1. you mean skinny bald headed -officer salesrep? shit, who does he think hes foolin?-aint no one givin him real info

        Lets just say, photos of him were snappin like he was a Vogue covergirl

  56. Gennaco is there to whitewash the entire incident and the disturbing anti-citizen culture that exisists inside the FPD. Oh and we are paying for it

    1. Basically, it’s the “us” vs. “them” insular mentality that thinks citizens are the enemy and they always need to be on the lookout for the worst in members of the public who pay their rip-off union salary and benefit packages that have bankrupted California and other states.

  57. You all behaved very well today. Was nice hearing you all talk. The overtime was nice for everyone but turned out not needed. See ya all this week at the celebration.

  58. Officer low life maggot Hampton you racist pig! can’t wait till you meet up with your cell mate Bubba Your a real prize to your family what a degenerate make sure you smile nice and pretty for the camera were gonna love posting it all over the net your mug shot will be worth the price of the attorney fees.

    1. to fullerton citizen

      You are incensed, passionate and angry.

      This is normal when you perceive injustice.

      Don’t rabble rouse. Don’t swear and throw out your frustration in public in a manner to derail the system.

      I currently feel the officers in question, all 6 of them, are truly guilty of horrendous crimes, but that is only my opinion. I don’t have all the facts. I don’t have all the information. I don’t have concrete proof. All will come in time, one way or another.

      When you judge the officers, before you speak in public, give them the same opportunity to a detailed, honest, through, and independant program of due process.

      Give them them SAME opportunity to due process AS YOU WOULD WANT FOR YOURSELF IF YOU WERE THE PERSON WHO WAS BEING INVESTIGATED.

      I’m appalled at what happened, but I won’t judge them completely until all the facts are in.

      1. #234 Jeffrey Castaline >how much proof is needed for you. Silence is very prevalent with the Fullerton 6 this needs to be a very strong lesson to all cops that they must conduct themselves not like gangsters with out of control temper.You speak of due process ok were is it? the DA is playing a waiting game with out a doubt.This case is pretty cut and dry you do not need to be a rocket scientist to figure out what when wrong psychotic out of control police officers being protected by the DA and there corrupted union.these are very evil and sick human beings not fit to be in society lock them up before they hurt or murder some one else hopefully not someone in your family!

        1. My personal feelings, notwithstanding, are the same as yours, BUT, and it is a big BUT, I ask you only one question:

          If it was you that had done something like this, by design or accident, do you want the first decision to be made without due process for yourself?

          I agree, for the sake of arguement, I think they are guilty. I would not, however, sentence someone to punishment for a crime without a tremendous amount of soul searching and a detailed following of all due process and evidence before making those decisions.

          When I was in college some 40 years ago (ouch!), I was called for jury duty. It was a purse snatching.

          Something happened to me when I sat on the jury. I was terrified knowing I held the future of a man’s life in my hands. Until you are in a position to hold sway over another human being, it is easy to be pious and emotional. We have created the rules in this country that we live by. If we don’t honor these institutions, then I don’t see much hope for our future. One must put aside one’s personal feelings in matters of judgement like this.

          Yes. Bad things happen. Yes, we have procedures to follow for clearing out those that abuse the public trust, i.e., Tom Delay, once the most powerful Republican in the U. S. Government was brought down for money laundering. He has been convicted and sentenced to 3 years in prison. He’s appealing, but even if he wins, which most people don’t think he can, his life is destroyed. He’ll be bankrupt, disgraced and a social leper until he dies.

          Push for sunshine. Push for openness. Push for changes using our established institutions.

          America is advanced citizenship. You have to really want to be a part of the process. This blog is one type of participation. I don’t see the police shutting it down or arresting posters. I can and would see it in China if we said something the government doesn’t like. Thats not happening here.

          Don’t take our rights as citizens for granted. We have more here than anywhere else in the world.

          1. Most rational people are going to agree with you but for a few exceptions. The purse snatching example and the statement ” I was terrified knowing I held the future of a man’s life in my hands.” is a bit melodramatic to say the least. This is about human beings with the power ruthlessly beating to death a homeless, defenseless, mentally ill man. A person who deserves the most compassion we can muster. These murderers showed him zilch. This is about abuse of power, murder, and the ugliest behavior human beings can exhibit. This has also now about the many additional wrongdoings uncovered. Due process. Yep. That’s how we roll. I’m not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure there is also some constraint on the timliness of this due process. We all know if the situation were reversed we would have had answers/justice long before now. This waiting period can only be construed as an attempt to squelch the movement and continue the cover-up.

          2. A. If it were me, or you, or anyone without a badge, due process would start by being thrown in a cell immediately to either be bailed out or sit there while the investigation moves forward, NOT to be on paid vacation.
            B. Nobody that I’ve heard has sentenced anyone for punishment, we want them to end the double standard and treat the cops like we’d be treated. We also recognize that given the opportunity the police will sweep this undeer the rug. It’s obvious that a crime was committed, so let’s gett them before a jury.
            C. If you were in fact “terrified” by judging a purse snatcher, well you know where I’m going. People may be terrified, as their car is hit head on, or something serious but to be terrified by sitting on a jury? Terrified is one of those words that’s losing it’s power from overuse.

      2. More passive-voice apologist blabber. “All will come in time…” NO, all will come from people exerting focused effort to demand justice and needed changes in the joke of a system that you for some unexplained reason think needs to be maintained. Ruckus knows he’s not up for election until 2014 and who butters his bread (hint – it’s pig butter).

        1. Same difference.

          Again. America is advanced citizenship.

          You have to contribute a lot and work hard to get it done. I believe people of goodwill and strong intent will see justice done…..that is what ‘All will come in time.” is meant to mean.

          Do you think you could do without the unnecessary and unflattering idiomatic words like ‘pig’. It detracts from your arguements.

    2. *sigh*

      Posts like this are counter productive.

      I understand your internal passion, but following due process is the hard way, the right way to do things.

      You lessen the value of your contribution if you sound like you favor taking the same actions against humanity that those being investigated are alleged to have done.

      Take the high road. Add a dash of integrity and objective fair play. Always behave as if you were the one on the wrong side.

      It’s hard to do things the right way. Thats why it is so important to be above reproach in one’s actions.

      1. People on this blog can see right through the candy coating.
        Candy coating what happened to Kelly is fueling the cause, so I urge you to keep it up. It will help speed things up for us.
        I like what you have to say. It’s very productive and very useful.

  59. Regarding #5’s posting. Nice of you to say you will not stoop to the Police Officers level. When in fact you did, by using the the words “piggy and pig”. Wow! How big of you.

    1. Sorry but according to the Dept of Labor, a FEDERAL agency, the hardest most dangerous jobs out there are truck drivers, then farmers, then construction, etc. Police are down the list. Cops like you only claim “the most dangerous job out there” to justify your obscene salaries/benifits/pensions.
      Before you start on when you’re the victim of a crime, blah blah I had a vehicle stolen a while back and a cop came out and filled out a piece of paper, grudgingly, that’s it. Then he sat in his car in the parking lot and chatted with his buddy for an hour or so, their cars facing opposite directions next to each other. Yes they found it eventually, they being a different city and dept., empty and abandoned weeks later. There was no active investigation at all, no detective or anything, just don’t worry, it may turn up, or not.

  60. EyeNeverSayNo :
    You can call it a concert all you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that the regular Saturday Kelly Thomas protest crowd will be showing up at the event as angry as ever, except now they will be joined by the usual jackasses who show up at free live rock shows to mosh, start fights, throw rocks and bottles and generally incite violence.
    The cops damn well better be ready because downtown Fullerton probably hasn’t seen anything like this kind of potential for violence and rioting in a long time, if ever.

    What a load of crap. It was the most peaceful heartwarming group of people you could imagine. Real, honest, giving and compassionate. Sorry eyeneversayno, but you need to take a look around and see what’s really going on before you spew your fear propaganda around.

    1. You have to watch out for that 95 lb blonde lady zipping about in the roller skates and bulldog wearing the kelly’s army shirt. 😉

    2. What is the word on the street for these schmucks…a U-Haul full? A peaceful concert? Angry people about injustice gathering happily for justice…what will it take for these scmucks…the day something bad happens bad so they can come back later to point the all mighty finger and say hah? we didn’t riot because we dont riot u morons…we aren’t against the people, or the community….ohhhhh i can sense a computer chair quarterback looking for a play….all the nonsense, we remain peaceful, it foils your plans!

      1. Uneducated scum who think POBAR and not the US Constitution is the highest law in the land.

        What’s the game plan if Ruckus doesn’t file charges or only files some dipshit misdemeanors? I think a serious lobbying-effort with the feds would be in order, but I don’t hold out much hope for a loser like Eric Holder to do squat.

        Obama is too beholden to cop unions – especially after the fallout from one of the few honest statements he ever made -the one about the Cambridge cop behaving “stupidly.”

        Again, I hope my prediction is proven wrong. But in the past, even when predicting what I thought was the worst from DAs, they’ve outdone themselves and proved me too generous with them.

        A viable political organization needs to have game plans in place for all eventualities and not accept the passive-voice advocates of patiently waiting for things to “come out.”

        1. Seems like the FBI are not doing their job. They have not interviewed extremely key witnesses.

          In my opinion we will need to call for the DoJ Special Litigation unit to step in. What do you think?

          1. More importantly…….just VOTE! (-:

            (Regardless of what the nay sayers say….it makes a tremendous difference in what happens to us.)

    3. Hey, my post was before the event, but thanks for your 20/20 vision in hindsight… 🙂

      Quite honestly I was really disappointed by the ‘modest’ turnout while I was there. Goodrich must have been trying to justify overtime with his observation of 350 attendees. No way, not while I was there. I’ve seen house parties with more people.

      I would not have been so concerned if I had known going in that the event received zero promotion outside of Facebook and FFF.

      I came home and saw that there had been no mention of the coming event in the OCR, nor could I find anything about it in the Weekly. Perhaps that was for the best.

      Sorry you thought my warnings of possible violence were ‘propaganda’ (you wouldn’t be projecting now would you? 🙂 ) but I’ve been to hundreds of live events and the ones that went south left a lasting impression. The OP Pro Open riots, LA Street Scene, and just about every Pennywise show for example.

      On this we agree, it turned out to be a good show and the vibe was sweet. Must have been all your positive thoughts! Wish I could have stayed longer.

  61. FYI: For those that support the KellyThomas cause, but for whatever reason can not be here in person to help support the Thomas family, I would like to give you my impression of the concert/food drive for the homeless, after the protest. The first thing that caught my attention was the diversity of the crowd, children and elders, bikers and professionals, homeless and affluent. There were boothes that sold a variety of food and drink, i.e. coke, lemonade, to help get the message out, a booth with Kelly’s likeness, on t-shirts buttons, ect. to one side , a steady stream of people leaving canned goods for the needy, in a quickly filling trailer. The music was great, all the bands did a great job, the feeling of unity and pulling together for a common cause was awesome, but for me the best was geting to meet Mr. Ron Thomas, this MAN’S strength and composure truely impressed me, but you can see the pain in his eyes. Other highlights to my evening were getting to meet Chris Thompson, who I got to share a few words with, Garro Mardrosian, spelling, was giving his undevided attention to a wheel chair bound elder, but still found time to say hello, and extend his hand, and introduce himself to the likes of me! and of course Mr. Tony Bushala, though this was only the second time I’ve met him, he came over and said hello and made me feel as if we had been friends for years. Also saw one of the ladies who were helping with the recall signatures, and the “lil” blonde spitfire, that addressed and scathed the city council! Although I did not make thier aquaintance, as the opportunity did not present itself, and I did not want to impose. I hope to get to meet contributers Xer, merijoe, 91c, jt, chris, Wrong guy, SD Local (i’ll bet, based on his own description of himself, I did see him) and others. I’ll keep coming back, until hopefully we all have cause to celebrate justice being done for Kelly and The Thomas family. May God bless you all, for coming together in peace and rememberance……..also only saw a couple of fpd, they conducted themselves well, and for the most part kept thier distance.

    1. Tonight was an amazing event. I am sure that it must baffle the audience whom predict that a PEACEFUL protest for the death of KELLY THOMAS would send, and I will paraphrase, the angry protestors over to some punk bands at a free event, that which would release valhalla upon the masses, and god would puke upon soccer fields, and ears would soon burst upon hearing honking horns….ok haha…I wil now thank everyone that came out…suprise, our peaceful protests are also peaceful concerts, in fact more peaceful than most of the bars in downtown even though they have more with less to control…so if any of these random “i’m a concerned citizen of fullerton” “my ears hurt from your honking” just remember, we are you, we never predicted, nor let happen anything, because we are and we know,

    2. thank you very much nomad 🙂 i am happy to hear it went so well, a good time was had by all it sounds like..

      justice for kelly !!

    3. Thank you so much for that post nomad. It is a wonderful way to start my morning to know that it was such a success. Is there anyway that I could get a Kelly’s Army T-shirt or perhaps donate food from here? I have been making anyone around here aware of the Kelly Thomas beating who will listen. We support you all.

      1. Concerned Texan, Thanks for a warming all of our hearts here in Fullerton all the way from Texas. I’ll talk with the ladies that sell the Kelly’s Army t-shirts and will see if I can get you an address to send for a Kelly’s Army t-shirt and will post that information back here on the blog.

      2. As promised Concerned Texan, here’s a link I found to the Kelly Thomas memorial Fund organization that Kelly’s dad Ron Thomas has founded as a way to bring something positive out of something so negative.
        http://store.ktmf.org/

    4. Sorry to have missed you Nomad, hopefully we can be introduced next saturday and I can point out some of the others to you…yes peaceful and nice gathering on saturday-Kelly would have been proud.

      Yes, that skinny bald headed Danny Hughes-the ever present Mole for FPD was there-with a buddy FPD later at the memorial. Julian performed his Kelly Thomas Ballad and gave out free CD’s of the song later. An inflitrator of the FPD tried to pass himself off as a “salesman” and had the nerve to plant himself on a bench near that auto place on the corner of higland/commonwealth, when he was seen taking pictures of the crowd, he was cornered and yelled at-he was seen running in and out of the FPD. Key-stoner. but there was no trouble from any of us, like they expected.

  62. Wow! What a great turn out! You FFFF supporters really showed your stuff tonight! A whopping 150 people including the event staff showed up! It really goes to show that fulleton residense really care! Even though about only 10% percent were residents! You guys should be so proud!!

    1. “fulleton”….Fullerton. residense ( I personally loved this one)…residents. Oh and you did it again (residense) so it was no accident. THANK-YOU!!!!!! You made this one sooooooo easy for me. You must be the “dense” in residense:) Not qualified to post. Go away. Bye.

  63. http://m.ocregister.com/news/thomas-317703-klein-kelly.html?

    Hundreds attend concert for Kelly Thomas
    By LOU PONSI
    09/17/2011 8:58 PM

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    FULLERTON – Hundreds turned out to a free concert in memory of Kelly Thomas Saturday at the Fullerton Downtown Plaza.

    Thomas, 37, was a mentally ill homeless man who died five days after an altercation with Fullerton police officers at a bus depot on July 5.

    The “Kelly Thomas Memorial Concert and Canned Food Drive” was staged mainly to raise awareness of the issue of homelessness and mental illness in Orange County, said Mike Klein, spokesman for the event, which featured six live bands that played for nearly five hours.

    Attendees were asked to donate canned food or clothing.

    “Definitely, it was not a protest,” Klein said. “It was just to bring people together to help people that were like Kelly.”

    Thomas’ father, Ron Thomas, and other family members were in attendance.

    The crowd started small but grew to about 350 at its peak, Sgt. Andrew Goodrich said. There were no reported incidents.

    Close to 1,500 canned food items and enough clothing to “pack a good-sized U-Haul” were donated, Klein said.

    Some of the items were distributed immediately to homeless people at the event, he said.

    The remaining donations will be distributed to local organizations that serve the homeless population, Klein said.

    1. “The crowd started small but grew to about 350 at its peak, Sgt. Andrew Goodrich said. There were no reported incidents.”

      Yes. Let it be noted that the cops didn’t beat any of us to death today.

  64. It states that some o the canned food was passed Out immediatel to some homeless ! that was because most of the people at this concert were homeless! What a f’n joke! It cost Ron Thomas mire money to put not his event than he raised! Great event! You idiots should be proud ! I’d you run uour recall like this fundraiser it will be a huge success! Great job! Morons!!!!!!!!!

    1. I feel sorry for your town. There really does appear to be people of less-than-average intelligence in abundance, and in leadership, who are very concrete in their thinking. These are the people who would de-humanize anyone they see as different from themselves and why they might think that an event that was attended by a lot of homeless people is not a success. That would be precisely why I would see it as successful so I hope that it’s true. It means that you are treating people with the dignity and respect that they deserve and they feel included. Many of the haters appear to have deep seated emotional and psychological problems; they are carrying around a lot of shame that they cope with by projecting it on to others, such as homeless and mentally ill people. It is a strategy to help them feel “good enough” themselves but a strategy that ultimately does not work. These men who would beat a person to death quite likely are the products of extremely unhealthy family systems, perhaps the children of untreated alcoholics and fathers who were very shaming and over controlling. The majority of them are most likely dealing with their own issues related to substance abuse but they see themselves as different from the stereotyped substance abuser. Interestingly, the stereotypical substance abuser, which would be someone poor and/or homeless, is not as likely to beat another person to death as a police officer who has substance abuse issues. These guys are full of rage but primarily that is about their own extreme feelings of inadequacy that they take out on other people. So you have a scary combination when you put this all together–less-than-average intelligence, history of childhood abuse, being an adult child of an unhealthy family system, substance abuse, and finally, to be placed in a position of authority over others. This is the combination that likely led to the murder of Kelly Thomas.

    2. I admit im a wierdo. Im a troll, a kook, I cant spell. I dont like people doing anything without inviting me. I don’t have any friends, I’m by myself all the time, and noone wants to be my friend.

      1. Just open your eyes and your heart, think a little about what you write. We care about what happened to Kelly and the other homeless. BTW I feel bad about bustin your balls.

    1. I’m sure we all remember the Fox show called “Cops” that recently went off the air, and I got to thinking that maybe one of these networks could release a new version that airs from prison called, “On Top of Cops” starring all the police officers that are found guilty of falsifying evidence and abusing their color of authority to put innocent men and women in jail and/or prison.

      1. I was a young criminal defense lawyer when the show first aired. My friends and I all attributed the “bad boys …what ya gonna do” song to the cops.

        What’s the plan if Ruckus no-files the case or only files for misdemeanors. Any plan? You don’t necessarily need to announce it now, but I sure hope you have one. A national media blitz would be good. Be prepared for the press to be bogged down in bogus detail from Ruckus justifying every single blow and taze. See the Marvin Booker case from Denver.

      2. That is a really good idea.

        All we have to do is make sure what we post is legal. (-:

        I’ll help conspire to do legal things.

  65. Simmons :
    One kelly thomas is worth more than the entire Fullerton Police Department.
    This Police Department should be disbanded.

    You hope this upcoming week rumor is the D A was going to declare a decision. My guess it’s on hold. The D A was hoping for a high profile riot at the public gathering, to soften the uproar when he finds no crimes were commited by the cops. Sad but get prepared for revenge by chief sellers and the city council. I’m leaving ASAP.

  66. Anonymous :
    Was the slidebar closed tonight?
    It looked dark when I drove by around 8:30.

    THE COPS WERE GETTING LIQUORED UP FOR FREE BEFORE GOING BACK TO WORK. WE HAD A PARTY CELEBRATING THE EXONERATION OF OUR BUDDIES. OFFICIAL WORD WILL BE DECLARED NEXT WEEK. GOOD TIMES WILL RETURN TO FULLERTON.

  67. Fuck the coplickin DA-this case is far from “exoneration” no matter what that lying, brown nose office says-the DA is not the end of the line you morons.

    The only “good” time fullerton PD can look foward to is MORE protesters joining every saturday, the AG and FBI involvement

    snap and whoop that up in celebration drunkards

    1. I’m with you Merijoe, I almost expect that the DA will again not file murder charges in the Kelly Thomas murder, even when the 99% of the electorate believes that he should. People like Tony Rawcacas and the Three Blind Mice that we have on our City Council are usually blinded to what the rest of us see, because they have their head’s up the Police Officers Unions that help to get them elected. The recall effort to recall these Three Blind Mice we have on City Council is way ahead of schedule, so I think their be enough time leftover to deal with the DA’s office next.

  68. YES GOOD TIME,S IN THE CLASS -room so fpd can learn how to do ther job,without killing people.and rapeing lady,s that,s in cuff,s O and learn not to lie on the W. stand are steal stuff from the city.

  69. I pray for the Attorney General, Department of Justice, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation to be following this closely now and to step up to the plate if and when the DA’s office takes a big swing and a miss.

    1. That is exactly what I am expecting!

      This is not a case of blatant murder, rather, it involves the lack of respect for basic human rights by a government entity. The Fed’s WILL get involved when the DA balks at charging these cops.

      1. THIS IS IF YOU ARE RIGHT What happen here in new orlean,s the da, could not are would not gharg then ,the fed,s steped in and man do thay swing a big stick.It was allover but for the crying for the killed cop,s

      1. Best wishes to the residents of Fullerton!

        They have a police department that appears to be accountable to no one and more people will be brutalized or killed because of public apathy. Actually, this is just a small symptom of a larger problem that is going on in the entire state, and country!

        I have to say that at first I thought the protests were a good thing, but now I think they are a big joke! Screaming and yelling at passing cars will do nothing to change what is going on. On the other hand, if there were several thousand people out there, the protests might have some impact, as they would garner more media attention.

        I’m certainly glad that I don’t live in that city!

  70. I have to say, I really enjoyed Saturday. We had caring, law-abiding, and decent people come together for a great cause. I knew there would be no trouble from our ranks.
    When it came to the concert, everyone was enjoying the music, sounds, and camaraderie. Too bad others out of the loop saw it as a potential riot-in-the-making.
    I was very happy to make other aquaintances from this site. All are fine, upstanding people that I am proud to call my friend. I also want to give special accolades to Tony Bushala. What an fine, outstanding person he was to talk to. His efforts in this campaign to bring justice to Kelly Thomas, is heart-warming. I salute you SIR.
    FEDUP, and I have conducted many an investigation regarding police abuse. It is OUR #1 pet peeve, as we think police should follow all the laws they are empowered to enforce. Clearly, and sadly, this was one case in which the laws, rights, and deceny were thrown out the window for a vendetta against God-knows-what, and Kelly was the target of their rage.
    I know that no one here, or those dedicated people looking on around the world, will give up until justice is served on a silver platter.
    I thank you one and all.
    RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED

    1. Yes, great event yesterday. Didn’t see anything to suggest that anyone involved in seeking justice for Kelly Thomas would resort to violence at all. But we all know the expression “if the only tool you have is a hammer all of your problems looks like nails”. Looks like the cops only have a hammer.

          1. @fedupwithmorons
            That’s what i recently posted. There should be a group of 6-10 people dedicated to just taking pictures of any possible undercovers. Kudos for the pics taken of the guy going around taking pics.

      1. Officer “dangle of reno 911” aka skinny bald guy was there at the protest then he and a buddy, officer fat mustach nazi were present at the memorial- guns/tasers in holsters- my camera was snapping pictures of the bothe of these sleaze stacks-in their faces, of course-I wouldnt want do anything sly that they may say was illegal

      2. THERE WERE A TOKEN TOTAL OF 2 COPS WATCHING US, AND THESE TWO, CAPTAIN EMPTYPANTS AND SGT DANGLE WERE DOING THE BEST THEY COULD TO KEEP UP WITH THE RIOTING! LOL

      3. I have seen how Judges get, when an officer abuses authority like this and tries to justify it, Judges give stiffer sentences.

        1. That is the way it should be.

          Public officals and public servants must and should be held to a higher standard when they step outside the lines and commit crimes and acts of malfeasance.

  71. Thanks for your story 9c1copcar. I look at every one of you out there on the front lines of Kelly’s Army with the greatest respect and admiration for standing up and doing the right thing.

  72. whatever happened to that good friend of Sellers family who is in the DA office investigating this case with T-Rack’s blessing?

    hmm?

    No shocker what the possible turn out will be -corrupt cockaroaches (and my appologizes to cockaroches everywhere)

    1. Stan Berry.

      At least one witness interviewed by him was not impressed with his line of questioning.

      I have enormous doubts about his integrity or seriousness in pursuing this case.

  73. Rumor has it that Placentia PD was told that FPD was on “high alert”
    All I can say is after all the peaceful protests and after a peaceful gathering this weekend at the Marketplace…”who” is going to start what?

  74. I think the DA is getting ready to release the video, along with someother of his concocted bullshit

    he’s said in the past that the release of this video will cause “civic unrest”

  75. I feel sorry for your town. There really does appear to be people of less-than-average intelligence in abundance, and in leadership, who are very concrete in their thinking. These are the people who would de-humanize anyone they see as different from themselves and why they might think that an event that was attended by a lot of homeless people is not a success. That would be precisely why I would see it as successful so I hope that it’s true. It means that you are treating people with the dignity and respect that they deserve and they feel included. Many of the haters appear to have deep seated emotional and psychological problems; they are carrying around a lot of shame that they cope with by projecting it on to others, such as homeless and mentally ill people. It is a strategy to help them feel “good enough” themselves but a strategy that ultimately does not work. These men who would beat a person to death quite likely are the products of extremely unhealthy family systems, perhaps the children of untreated alcoholics and fathers who were very shaming and over controlling. The majority of them are most likely dealing with their own issues related to substance abuse but they see themselves as different from the stereotyped substance abuser. Interestingly, the stereotypical substance abuser, which would be someone poor and/or homeless, is not as likely to beat another person to death as a police officer who has substance abuse issues. These guys are full of rage but primarily that is about their own extreme feelings of inadequacy that they take out on other people. So you have a scary combination when you put this all together–less-than-average intelligence, history of childhood abuse, being an adult child of an unhealthy family system, substance abuse, and finally, to be placed in a position of authority over others. This is the combination that likely led to the murder of Kelly Thomas.

    1. I should add, We Are All One, that ultimately your town is my town and what affects one affects us all. But I imagine you already knew that. I have to also add that I am impressed to see people getting involved and keeping up the pressure–that makes me feel that there may still be hope for us and our children, even if it is too late for Kelly Thomas. I would like to think that his life will ultimately stand for some truths that are (ideally) self-evident, including that all people are created equal.

    2. I like your posts I frequently agree.

      But let’s leave right-wing and left-wing out of it.

      Sociopaths in power are always a problem. Doesn’t matter if they’re on the right or left.

      And passionate protestors of the police are an asset, doesn’t matter if they’re on the left or the right.

      Don’t blame communists. Don’t blame right-wingers. Blame the police.

  76. I think you are getting wrong the upcoming announcement by the DA. There will be no murder charges. The highest charge will be one level above manslaughter. That way it can be plea bargained down to a misdemeanor with a sentence of no jail time. All in all it will take over a year for it to be handled. By that time the hope will be that most voters in OC will say Kelly who?
    That is how it is done in the Naked County. DA does not run for reelection for 2 years and all will be forgotten except for the huge civil suit. Money fixes all things in OC. Fullerton taxpayers will dump the city council once they find out they are self insured, meaning it comes out of taxpayers and ratepayers pockets.
    I hope I am wrong about this but it seems to be the usual occurrance in OC, so why would this one be different? As for a federal case? Is Kelly a minority? Immigrant? No? Then Holder will do nothing and the FBI will not pursue the case to Federal Court because you need the US Attorney involved.

  77. Why Holder will do nothing, continued:
    Holder works for Obama. Fullerton is mostly considered conservative right wing territory. Why will Holder get involved? to do the right thing? Its an election year coming up!

    1. Why would Holder himself have to approve an investigation by one of the many units that comprise DOJ?

      and wouldn’t Dems enjoy investigating the failures of a Republican DA?

  78. fullerton lover :
    We are one tribe y’all …enjoy : )
    http://youtu.be/X5E_yFyGDjM

    That was awesome! Thanks.

    “My true religion, my simple faith is in love and compassion. There is no need for complicated philosophy, doctrine, or dogma. Our own heart, our own mind, is the temple. The doctrine is compassion. Love for others and respect for their rights and dignity, no matter who or what they are – these are ultimately all we need.” Dalai Lama

    “There is no they, only us. We’re part of a large fellowship called “The human race.”

    “We all hurt the same. We all bleed the same. We all need understanding and care.”

    Imagine there’s no countries

    It isn’t hard to do

    Nothing to kill or die for

    And no religion too

    Imagine all the people

    Living life in peace..

    You may say that I’m a dreamer

    But I’m not the only one

    I hope someday you’ll join us

    And the world will be as one..

    1. Guys – this pretty much defines counterproductive.

      Left and right and everyone in between are part of this movement . Don’t even try to divide us.

  79. September 18, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    I tried to make a donation to the recall petition, but when I clicked on the PayPal donate button it didn’t work.

    No. I don’t think it doesn’t work because of a police conspiricy(sp?), but would someone pass this information on to someone who can fix the donation button?

    Thank you

    1. Thank you to whoever forwarded the above information.

      The problem is being researched.

      Hopefully it will be fixed in a short time.

  80. WE ARE ALL ONE,

    As a matter of fact, I am. I am also a retired Deputy, who hates police abuse. The difference between some officers and I…..I do not see citizens with an US vs. THEM mentality. I also do not think all officers are criminals. So you see, please be careful when talking about a group. To broad-brush everyone who thinks different than you, or is different, is not fair.

    1. I agree, 9c1.

      Broad-brushing any group or profession for political or philosophical gain is a form of bigotry, basically.

      My girlfriend’s dad is a retired Deputy. He was active from the late-60’s thru the mid-80’s, I think, so you can be sure he saw some “interesting times.”

      He is one of the kindest, true-blue guys I’ve ever known. This is the man you want as your next-door neighbor. I’m serious. He would move heaven and hell to help you if you were in a pinch. True-blue, man, all the way. You want this retired deputy as a friend, and I’m confident he’s not the only one.

      This is why the Kelly Thomas murder is so damn important.

      Old guys like me remember the days when “peace officer” devolved into “law enforcement” officer.

      “Keeping the peace” is now “enforcing the law.” There’s a difference. Big difference.

      I’m 55 years old. I’ve had a few moments with the police in my day. Just a few. I was onced bullied by a little asshole rookie cop in Oklahoma City (I could’ve pounded him), detained by a really nice cop in Winterset Iowa (John Wayne’s birthplace, I think), I actually had a cop put his hand on his sidearm while pulling me over in Covina (a burglary had just occurred; I was driving a company station wagon full of boxes and I fit the description. I often fit the description), so I agree with everyone on this board who notes that police work is difficult. I would never argue that with anyone. Never.

      But something crucial has changed, and you need the benefit of the arc of time to see it.

      As the bad guys became really bad guys, the good guys became semi-bad guys to counter the really bad guys.

      This leaves the rest of us stuck in the center of a seriously bad situation..

      We’re trapped between really bad guys and semi-bad guys.

      I don’t think it can be fixed. I don’t. I sure hope I’m wrong. I’m really hoping I’m wrong. Every day. Every time I visit FFFF.

      I’ve been on board with Kelly Thomas since I first heard of his murder, and I’ll never leave. God bless his beautiful, poor soul; I hope he rests in heaven as I’m typing this.

      But here’s the thing. His murder is important to all of us, because it’s a signpost to where we’re all possibly heading.

      The people — the citizens — must find a way to recapture control of the government.

      It’s that simple. We’ve become the planet of the apes, and I don’t want that for my kids.

  81. We Are All One :

    fullerton lover :
    We are one tribe y’all …enjoy : )
    http://youtu.be/X5E_yFyGDjM

    That was awesome! Thanks.
    “My true religion, my simple faith is in love and compassion. There is no need for complicated philosophy, doctrine, or dogma. Our own heart, our own mind, is the temple. The doctrine is compassion. Love for others and respect for their rights and dignity, no matter who or what they are – these are ultimately all we need.” Dalai Lama
    “There is no they, only us. We’re part of a large fellowship called “The human race.”
    “We all hurt the same. We all bleed the same. We all need understanding and care.”
    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace..
    You may say that I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will be as one..

    A young Iraqi male singing “IMAGINE”
    quite beautiful
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy42USMUsvo

  82. Paul :
    I think you are getting wrong the upcoming announcement by the DA. There will be no murder charges. The highest charge will be one level above manslaughter. That way it can be plea bargained down to a misdemeanor with a sentence of no jail time. All in all it will take over a year for it to be handled. By that time the hope will be that most voters in OC will say Kelly who?
    That is how it is done in the Naked County. DA does not run for reelection for 2 years and all will be forgotten except for the huge civil suit. Money fixes all things in OC. Fullerton taxpayers will dump the city council once they find out they are self insured, meaning it comes out of taxpayers and ratepayers pockets.
    I hope I am wrong about this but it seems to be the usual occurrance in OC, so why would this one be different? As for a federal case? Is Kelly a minority? Immigrant? No? Then Holder will do nothing and the FBI will not pursue the case to Federal Court because you need the US Attorney involved.

    I have a feeling they won’t past Ron Thomas…

    If I was his Father.. I wouldn’t accept one cent until true crimes are charged with honesty.

  83. SDLOCAL,

    I agree whole-heartedly with you. I am going on 57 myself, so WE lived through the “good times” already. I am sad to say that law enforcement has changed drastically. It has become what you said it is, the US vs. THEM mentality.
    It is a mindset that sees the citizenry as potential criminals, which is why so many have their rights violated daily. This machine has blanks, not only in their data files to be filled with information on everyone, but also has spaces in jail that they will do just about anything to fill.
    I am embarrassed to say, but you will not find a bigger concentration of liers, cheats, thieves, whores, and sociopaths than law enforcement. Some of these mental de-generates seem to drift into a profession that allows them to have power over all others. Their lying and violence has not only injured many, but has put innocent people in prison. They do this without a flinch of guilt or remorse. They are the ones who smile in the mirror after shift, and tell themselves that they did good; regardless of the innocent lives they have changed forever.
    Vigilance on our part to educate ourselves regarding the law and our rights, will help greatly. It will not stop the abuse, but it just may stop a situation from occurring.
    RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED

  84. Concerned Californian :It’s not so advanced if we have uneducated barbarians bypassing college to join law enforcement.

    Not having a college degree doesn’t mean a lack of ability, and it certainly doesn’t guarantee a sense of humanity, responsibility or common sense. (Why do we call it ‘common sense? It seems to be anything but.)

    Some of the finest people I have ever met in my life have not had more than a high school diploma, and many not even that. A piece of paper doesn’t invest you with a conscience, or a soul.

    I know many college graduates that can’t tie their own shoes.

    My Father used to say, “We’re all in the same bottle of milk, and the cream always rises to the top.” His meaning was that the best of us will rise to the occasion when needed. (Please. No ragging on his home spun wisdom. This is the way they talked in the 50’s.)

    It’s similar to the epiphany that astronauts have when they go into space and see in it’s isolation our Earth, the dust mote we call home, and finally realize it is all we have.

    1. True, There are alot of indecisive idiots with degrees out there. I would like to see mature, intellegent, compassionate, earnest, wise, fit, and keen people on the streets, not the dumb, self serving, closed minded fools that leap frog from one city to the other, under the umbrella of the union, sucking off pay checks from cities they don’t live in or care about, but ask your average person if they have any idea what a geopolitical map is and you may find yourself looking at someone wiht eyes that tell you, “the lights are on, but nobody is home”.

  85. O. K.

    I won’t quibble with you over adjectives.

    What one would you use to describe the feeling that the decision you make is going to have consequences for the rest of someone else’s life?

    What adjective would you use to describe the feeling that someone has that power of decision over you affecting the rest of your life?

    1. Somewhere between rational thought and pure instinct lay these ” feelings”, and don’t have much of a place in a court of law.

  86. MeYou, That was heartwarming and brought tears. What a story and a voice he has. It was a beautiful rendition of one of the best songs ever written. Thanks for sharing.

  87. Jeffrey Castaline :
    We do not live in Russia.
    We do not live in Germany.
    It’s apples and oranges.
    There are 10′s of thousands of police in this country that would without a thought lay down their lives for the people they are sworn to protect

    then if true.. convict the accomplices too

    called dispatcher
    chief
    and anyone who helped them write police reports after murdering Kelly Thomas

    1. The nice thing about today’s society is that unlike in the past, it’s harder and harder to create a successful cover up.

      This blog is one part of the social media information system that we now use. It’s next to impossible to destroy and conceal information if for no other reaso than there is such a huge amount of it that is generated about everything.

      We’ve seen the police officer walk up to an innocent law-abiding citizen who saw something wrong being done and was doing something about it. He was gathering evidence. He got it, too. Same with the Kelly beating. The evidence is there. Now is the time for due process.

      There is no doubt in my mind that this officer lost control, knew he lost control, knew what he was doing was wrong, and struck out at the bystander filming him out of frustration. He know he was in trouble and behaving improperly even before he hit the camera out of the camera owner’s hand.

      Let due process proceed. If when all is said and done you are not happy with the results, there are institutions/procedures in place that citizens can use to keep the cause alive and make changes with.

      It’s not easy. It’s never easy to get the right thing done, but it is something we have the right to do.

      The evidence trail will show if others in the police administration behaved improperly or illegally, but it will take some time to put it all together. If the dispatcher, Chief, or anyone else did things they woule not supposed to do, they will be outed and disciplined or punished.

      Let’s not speculate on failure. Let’s work together so justice is done for Kelly.

      Focus!!!

      1. It would be nice if california could be like Switzerland, were the offices are cardboard cut-outs that urge everyone to behave.

  88. and another thing.. Citizens and alllll others need to start writing EVERY NEWS OUTLET AND ASK THEM TO CHANGE THEIR TITLES

    from The beating of Kelly Thomas

    to

    the murder of Kelly Thomas in advance of the trial

    I am HONESTLY scared for the FPD and CA.. if that DA tries to pull some BS.. .. THEN there really are not any innocents in blue if they get off

  89. SD Local: What a disappointment your blog was when you called the death of Kelly Thomas “murder.”

    Our society has evolved into what it is today, and to why the police have to act and react the way they do because of the laws set forth by the liberal lawmakers and voted on by the extremly left wing 9th Circuit Court… that is exactly what is wrong.

    The police may not use profiling to stop someone. They may not ask if a person is a legal resident. They may not question without a lawyer present and on and on and on.

    When Miranda was made law, the beginning of the slippery slope came into play and the change began to take place and the slow decline began to what we have today.

    Most people know right from wrong and should not have to be advised of their rights to know the difference.

    People don’t vote and sit home or go on a blog and complain about the City, the Police, the City Council, the President… it is endless. They don’t like this and they don’t like that… well… get off your lazy a__ and do something constructive, make change, run for office, vote. Then complain!

    1. I like how you see people’s rights as a slippery slope. I think I would rather slide down a slope into liberty, than a slope into tyranny which you seem to prefer. Sounds like a typical neocon to me (always confusing libertarian philosophy with liberal philosophy).

  90. FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE, THE PD PHOTOS US WITHOUT OUR CONSENT, GOD, ONLY KNOWS WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO WITH THE PICS. USE THEM AGAINST US IN A COURT OF LAW BECAUSE WE WERE EXERCISING OUR GOD-GIVEN CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?\
    THIS PICTURE TAKING THING IS A TWO WAY STREET THOUGH, WE CAN USE OUT PHOTOS OF DIRTY COPS AGAINST THEM! BWWWWWAAAAAAAAH! DUMBASSES!

    1. This is where due process comes in.

      I would appreciate it if you would present your evidence that there was malice aforethought and premeditation.

      If not, please don’t spread lies without proof or foundation.

      Focus.

      Kelly is dead. Police officers have been suspended, investigations are ongoing, and anyone who proposes vigilante justice.

      1. Hit the wrong key……..

        ……….vigilante justice is only going to hurt the process by showing the police that all the posters (in their minds) are rabble rousing and therefore dangerous.

        Don’t give them any ammunition.

        1. WHAT VIGILANTISIM? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? DIDN’T TAKE YPOUR PROZAC TODAY? YOU ARE NUTS, SO DO YOURSELF A FAVOR, DON’T POST ANYMORE OF YOUR LUDICROUS SHIT ON THESE BLOGS!

          1. Make lucid arguments without swearing and insulting people.

            We are here to seek justice for Kelly, right? Did I miss something?

            I know you are passionate, but please try not to be rude.

            Thank you. (-:

      2. FIRST OF ALL, FROM WHAT WE KNOW, THERE WAS NO REASONABLE SUSPICION UPON WHICH TO BASE PROBABLE CAUSE TO DETAIN OR ARREST KELLY. NOTHING EXISTED. THE COPS OBVIOUSLY KNEW WHO KELLY WAS. KELLY WAS SITTING ON A BUS BENCH MINDING HIS BUSINESS PRIOR TO BEING APPROACHED BY COPS.
        HE PUTS HIS HANDS UP IN A DEFENSIVE POSITION TO FEND THE COPS OFF. HE THEN RAN FROM THEM. WHICH YOU HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO DO.
        THEY TACKLED KELLY, THEY THEN REPEATEDLY BEAT HIM WITH VARIOUS WEAPONS, THEY TASED HIM APPROXIMATELY SIX TIMES, FROM TWO TASER GUNS.

        THEY DRAGGGED KELLY’S BODY FROM ONE PLACE IN THE BUS TERMINAL TO ANOTHER AND COMMENCED TO BEAT HIM SOME MORE. NOT ONE OF THE RESPONDING COPS STEPPED IN TO STOP THE BEATING, INDICATING TO ME THAT THEY WERE INTENT ON FINISHING KELLY OFF. THE WATCH COMMANDER WHO VIEWED THE BEATING DID NOTHING.

        YOU FOCUS JEFFREY, I KNOW MORE ABOUT THE FACTS OF THIS CASE THAN YOU DO. I ALSO KNOW ALOT MORE ABOUT CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION, FORENSICS AND CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS THAN YOU DO.

        YOU THINK EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO AN OPINION? WELL, THAT’S MINE, KELLY’S DEATH WAS A PREMEDITATED HOMICIDE BY TWO OR MORE FULLERTON COPS, THE OTHERS AIDED AND ABETTED IN THIS FELONY!

        1. I’ll agree with most of what you have posted above.

          I don’t how much you know about what, but yes, you are entitled to your opinion. No one has commented that you aren’t. No one would even suggest that.

          If your version of the facts is proven to be correct and accurate in court, then justice will be done.

          If not, then other legally acceptable solutions will be used.

          The biggest problem I see is that passion and due process run on different time scales.

          Passion demands an answer or solution instantly.
          Due process takes more time.

  91. Hog Wild :
    SD Local: What a disappointment your blog was when you called the death of Kelly Thomas “murder.”

    OK then.. let your child resist arrest and get beaten to death and then we ask you what you call it. I guess you obviously think Kelly Thomas’ life was not valuable so it isn’t a murder to you.

  92. THESE BLOGS HAVE BEEN CALLED IRRELEVANT BY COPS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS, SINCE AUGUST THESE BLOGS HAVE GROWN EXPONENTIALLY AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

    1. I don’t think anyone said irrelevant. This blog is a great place for people with a certain goal to gather and share ideas. I think this blog is one sided but that’s fine. Definitely not irrelevant for this group.

    2. Absolutely correct.

      The people responsible to Kelly’s death read every word of every blog. You can bet on it.

      The public outcry is driving all of them crazy.

      Recently there was a deputy in San Diego who was arrested for DUI. Don’t remember if anyone was hurt, but what he did and the after effects weighed on him so much he went into his back yard and shot himself in the head.

      Don’t for a moment think your participation in public media discussions has no effect.

      I would put all the police and others involved under suicide watch.

      I want justice for Kelly, not revenge, not retribution, just justice, without causing anymore death.

  93. OUR CIVIL RIGHTS ARE CLEARLY ARTICULATED IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE ULTIMATE LAW OF THE LAND, THE CONSTITUTION. HOW OUR RIGHTS HAVE BEEN ERRODED BY CORRUPT POLITICANS OVER THE DECADES SHOULD ENRAGE ALL OF US! THE CONSTITUTION TELLS US IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS WHAT ARE OUR RIGHTS, AND SHOULD NOT BE USURPED BY ANYONE!

    1. I too am an artist. I design and sew my creations. I used to participate in the monthly Flea Market at Carpe Diem but after recognizing one of the officers who participated in my wrongful stop, walking the beat, I feared for my safety. He confronted me at one Marketplace event as to where he knew me from. I lied and said I had never been in this area until a few weeks before participating at this Market. I do not know what happened to the officers involved in my stop as since I too worked for a PD at the time, it was decided ~for me~ that it would be an “internal matter” and that I would not attempt to press charges or sue. I just do not know if there will ever be any retaliation. Evidently some officers of the FPD have the memories like those of circus elephants. There are many FPD officers who are wonderful people and care about the community. I so wish they had been the responding officers the night Kelly Thomas was murdered. He’d still be with us today.

  94. Yes the Constitution does give us certain rights, among them the right to due process… which seems to have been forgotten by many on this blog.

    Mr. Thomas is among those who have forgotten this great right. If he was a Officer of the Law as he claims, which we all know he wasn’t, then he sould have an unjaded view of the Constitution. He is just trying to stir up trouble to further his lawsuit.

    1. WOW!

      It was reported that he used to be an OC Sheriff’s Deputy.

      Is that not true?

      Also, how is seeking justice for his murdered son “stirring up trouble”?

  95. JEFFREY, YOU DO ALOT OF MIS-SOMETHING OR ANOTHERS ON THESE BLOGS, WHY DON’T YOU JUST PACK IT IN AND TAKE A WIDDLE NAPPY?

  96. If I did what you want, then I would not be able to help seek justice for Kelly.

    I’d also miss your insightful and tantlizing editorials. (-:

  97. fedup

    You’re a hard man, but I can understand your suspicion. You’re a ‘show me’ person.

    I can live with that.

    Here’s a link to the ‘proof’ (-: you asked for. You can contact the Kelly Thomas Memorial Fund in a day or so to confirm they received it.

    http://www.artglasstech.com/ktmf.pdf

    The check went out today. It’s not much, but it’s the best I can do at this time.

    Other than that, it is my intention to work for focus, intelligent cooperative conversation and support for Ron Thomas that he may get the justice for Kelly that is deserved.

    Does this meet your minimum threshold for helping?

    P. S. I hope you don’t mind that I keep confidential my financial and banking information. (-: If you do, tough. (-:

  98. While it is sad that such a tragedy like this happened and I agree that if the act was intentional those who caused the harm should face their own charges who was there to help this poor soul before this happened? If my child was ill and could not take care of himself I would do whatever I could to make myself their conservator and keep them out of harms way. Having had a family member with schizophrenia it is a very sad disease and potentially be dangerous when outbursts occur. Also, if this person was homeless didn’t it occur to each of you out there that he had no home? That is the definition of homeless. If his family says he had a home to go to why didn’t they make sure he was there and not out where he could be at risk? Could it be that he was emotionally unstable and needed help? So again, why wasn’t his family there to help him? It’s easy to throw stones and condemn people but while you’re at it condemn yourselves, too for not asking the right questions! Shame on all of you for thinking you know it all and want revenge rather than trying to find a way to celebrate this poor man’s life and help those who mentally need help.

  99. i recall the fullerton cops wrecking our free concerts in the park…i recall they tried to coopt us by having concerts at ameridge park which was near the cop shop…i was there working w/green power giving out free food….we coopted the cooption by having a march to hillcrest park!! green power was undergoing similiar bs in griffith park at the beheast of thelapd

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