It’s Been 5 Months Since a Man was Murdered by the Fullerton Police. Who’s Been Fired?

 

Ramos and Cicinelli, the two men charged in the murder of Kelly Thomas, got three months of paid vacation. Now they’re on unpaid leave, but they still have not been fired.

What about officers Hampton, Wolfe, Blatney and Craig who were accomplices in the brutal beating? Nope. Still employed. Still getting paid.

And the FPD management who allowed the six officers to collude on their reports? We still don’t know who’s responsible for that mess. But nobody was fired.

Chief Sellers, who went on vacation, returned only to hide under his desk, and then foraged up a doctors note to dodge his responsiblies while Fullerton suffered? Not fired.

How about Jones and Meyer, the city attorneys who have worked so hard to conceal the department’s criminal activity from the public eye for all those years? They’re still here. And they’re probably making more than ever.

And the City Manager, who’s supposed to be responsible for all city employees and their actions? Not fired. But he did try to give himself a raise.

And finally, the three councilmembers who’ve been overseeing this mess for 56 collective years, who did nothing but insult the murder victim and defend the police department responsible for his death? They’re still here, and they’re still deflecting responsibility for the actions of the city they’re supposed to be running.

Five months have passed and not a single soul has lost their job for their involvement in a murder under color of authority.  That’s a pretty stark contrast to those of us in the real world, where people are often fired for showing up to work late or taking a nap on the clock.

But not in Fullerton. This year we have witnessed a demonstration of a power structure so perverse that it can insulate itself from the most heinous of crimes with almost no remorse or repercussions.

137 Replies to “It’s Been 5 Months Since a Man was Murdered by the Fullerton Police. Who’s Been Fired?”

    1. They have created a glass complex around themselves and consequently the uv bombardment has left them delusional. Tuesday was musical chairs. The music is still playing. I listened to the interviews yesterday and I can speak out of both sides of my mouth too. It just doesnt come natural to me. The wheels of justice are turning even though there have been many concerted attempts to grind them to a halt. In the end righteousness always prevails and the truth will stand on its own.

  1. This is par for the course in this day and age. Just look at the national level of cultural corruption, MF Global 1.2 Billion gone and the Top person doesn’t know where it is… 6 wars going on around the globe without Congressional Approval in site. The Bill of Rights is being shredded before our eyes. This city is a example of the entire mess on a smaller scale. The bubble we live in is about to be punctured and very soon I fear.

    1. This is all true however the timeframe is uncertain. In the meantime this will not be tolerated in our town. Fullerton California is no longer full of lapdog doormats that take things like so many other cities. We have an amalgamation, if you will, of a citizenry rich in culture, diversity, intellect, instincts and we have guts. That equals streghth. That is why we made history with murder charges even after they broke out the broom and the gag. The City of Fullerton is as AMERICAN AS YOU CAN GET in this day and age. May others follow our lead as there is far to much at stake. What lies ahead leaves us no other choice.

      1. Nice posts info warrior and truthseeker – both right on the money. Its hard to do much at the national level, but at the local level we CAN demand accountability and clean, responsible government. In fact it is nothing less than our patriotic duty to do so.

  2. Who was the watch commander on July 5th at the time Kelly was beaten into a coma?

    Was there a captain in the station at the time Ramos crushed Kelly?

    Which captain? Which lieutenant? Names please? These are just as responsible for Ramos’ actions as Ramos and Cicinelli.

    Who were the captains and lieutenants inside the FPD on July 5th while Ramos and Cicinelli were MURDERING Kelly? Why are they being protected?

  3. First of all, Ramos and Cicinelli haven’t been convicted of anything yet. Imagine firing them without them being convicted and they get not guilty verdicts at the trial. The city would be paying through the nose for them also-just like the Thomas family. Wait until after conviction for them to make that call.
    I agree about Sellers though. I’ll keep saying it. What a FRIGGIN RACKET!!! What does he know that they sent him out so quickly when the stuff hit the fan? I had a friend who wanted to try the sick leave thing because she felt she was going to get fired, but at least her doctor talked some sense into her.

        1. How about Ramos putting on those gloves and threatening to “fuk you up”……. try that at work and see how fast HR sends you packing. Hampton has a spread sheet on his crimes and the fact they all doctored their reports should be enough to fire them….

      1. its those damn union contracts that allow gestapo nazi coppers to keep their jobs, like teachers, you cant get rid of them if they shoot heroine naked in front of the clock shop

        1. First true thing you have said in awhile. Thank god for them too cause otherwise the whole PD would have been fired already. 🙂

          1. The city could disband the department and contract with the sheriff’s department but… thats not going to happen.

            Why?

            Because the services FPD provides is like none other and is well worth the millions of dollars in settlements and constant paid-leave expenses. I think the entire city council agrees with this sentiment.

            1. Reality Is Probably Chief Hamilton doesn’t want everyone to know that he is just an over-paid blogger, 24/7, (except for when he is golfing.) Taxpayer money being wasted, as usual.

  4. Heard on the news just now (KFI) that Silva says she doesn’t believe there was a cover up. Can you freaking beleive that? How do you like your new major now? The only difference between her and the other three corrupt knuckleheads is she wears a skirt, in public.

    Still looking for the news source of the story, will post it when I find it.

    1. “The only difference between her and the other three corrupt knuckleheads is she wears a skirt, in public.”

      Now that’s funny!!

    2. Maybe Her Highness can explain why FPD and the Council said an internal investigation was underway when it wasn’t.

    3. Let’s hope that KFI news makes into the news because this what her handlers say:

      _____________________________________

      Sharon Quirk-Silva is the New Mayor of Fullerton
      December 6, 2011
      By Dan Chmielewski

      On a 5-0 vote at tonight’s Fullerton City Council meeting, Sharon Quirk-Silva is the new mayor of Fullerton, breaking a long standing tradition of Republican city council majorities in finding ways to stiff elected Democratic Council members from holding what is largely a ceremonial title.

      The 5-0 vote reflects Quirk-Silva’s leadership in demanding answers from Fullerton’s police department and city manager in the wake of the beating death of Keyy Thomas. Quirk-Silva has also been instrumental in raising awareness to the plight of the homeless and mentally ill in Fullerton.

      We wish Mayor Quirk-Silva much success in the year ahead.

      http://www.theliberaloc.com/2011/12/06/sharon-quirk-silva-is-the-new-mayor-of-fullerton/

      1. that can only mean one of two things:

        1. she is covering up also
        2. “They” are covering up and she joined the duck and cover club, where she has resided from day one since the murder.

        1. yep, karma, yep- I have a real issue with the fact that shes been in office since 2004 -the time that stuff like rincon, nordell and the 10% water fee was happening and did nothing. I have a problem with the fact that it wasnt until the poo poo hit the fan regarding Kelly Thomas that she made a move to get anyone off the streets and more recently that she didnt say a word about that filling out of the blue card debaucle in the council meeting not even to say it was optional to fill out the card. Something didnt sit right about her throwing her weight around as soon as the mayor gavel was passed to her. Im just sayin

          1. “Something didnt sit right about her throwing her weight around as soon as the mayor gavel was passed to her. Im just sayin”

            Just like my 4th grade teacher.

        1. Anyone that trusts her is just asking for more of the same, or you have a personal vested interest by supporting her. I suppose there is one other option, you haven’t read enough about her history to be informed.

    4. As I said long ago, focusing on the three Tony wanted out was a mistake. They are all the same. Nothing will change. Entire council feels they have and are doing a great job. 🙂

  5. I may be putting too much expectation into the feds stepping in and turning over rocks that some of these individuals are hiding under, but remember that conspiracy charges can be a far reaching dragnet that can scoop up a lot of folks who think they are untouchable- AKA the supervisors who watched the tapes and attempted coverup etc. We may all be surprised at how many Fullerton employees go down in flames over this. Believe me, there is a Federal prosecutor out there who is dying to make a name for themself over a major publicized high profile case like this. If you are FPD and you were involved in any illegal conduct in this case I would not be sleeping at night.

      1. Wern’t you the one who said that none of the cops would be charged who were involved in the beating? You are underestimating the feds- I may be wrong but time will tell>

  6. Chris Thompson’s been fired plenty of times mostly for being a drunk and a pill popper. That’s way he too feeds from the government teat and gets paid by his puppet master Tony. This circle jerk of coruption is just around the corner I can’t wait for the show!

      1. Awwww you hurt admins feelings…… You better not make fun of his ass puppet thompson or you will be in trouble!!! Haha hilarious

      2. I’m thinking that alot of you that posted on here should show up to Sharon Quirk-Silva’s hour long discussion group she is hosting at Steamer’s on Dec. 14 at 4 p.m. Then you can bring it all up and see how she responds.

    1. Jose-sounds like you are the Clusterf* master and yawn

      Got any proof to your slanderous remarks? or just more of ignorant unimportant rantings that make no sense and have no point?

    2. Help me out here…how exactly does Chris get fed by the government teat?

      Jose- The circle jerk of corruption is not around the corner, it is in the center ring, where the heck have you been? popping pills and drinking perhaps?(not that there is anything wrong with that)

      If drinking is the criteria for corruption, call me corrupt, I loves me some Pinot waaaaay to much to give it up for the circus.

  7. This is just another Police Murder when will these gung-ho cops realise they are NOT above the law. Myself and many others around the nation are working on a petition to submit to congress to enact new laws to punish Police officers & their supervisors for acts of brutality, this petition will request a ZERO TOLERANCE As we see our local states laws against police brutality DO NOT WORK so this Petition goes straight to Washington and face to face before legislation !
    Rest assure Kelly Thomas is & will not be the last victim of police officers who think they are above the law & commit brutal acts of. As we move forward I call on those in support to email me to let me know how you can help – grow this petition it requires signatures & vocals/speakers and supporters from U.S Citizens everywhere not just in Kelly T’s state this is a nationwide epidemic that requires urgency. Right now I have a million things to do on my part the question is can you or will help get this petition in deeper circulation if so please email me @ [email protected] I am a Global Reporter which will help in fact I own the E-News Agency which has 4 very active Global websites so this will help out. here is one of my websites that will start off the National News on this subject matter, I invite you to visit there.
    www. Florida-Connect.com Don’t forget to use the – dash in the email.

    1. Good luck John getting any of these ffffers to support you they only care about their own issues and don’t care about anyone else. And if you need them to sign petitions you will have to mail them to them since most of them don’t have drivers licenses and need permission from their parents to leave the basement.

  8. It’s my understanding the last officer to arrive got there after it was all said and done. However, if
    It’s fairly obvious Ramos will not be found guilty on 2nd Degree Murder. Most of agree Cicinelli should have been charged with this as well. ALL present should have an accessory charge on them at minimum.

    If it’s true that all six watched the cctv video together and wrote their reports together with the same lies, ALL should be charged with obstruction of justice. Why hasn’t this been done?

    It’s pretty obvious the DA did the bare minimum because the public wasn’t going away. He should be included in the ones who should lose their job imho.

    1. You realize there is nothing wrong with the video watching right? No policy against it? Nolan against it? Someone said they probably would allow it which means nothing. Keep pressing for action on something that’s not illegal and other PDs do the same thing daily. 🙂

    2. So much for trying to comment when rushing! The end of the first line, ‘However, if…’, actually goes at the beginning of the first line in the second paragraph.

      I’m sure some were able to get the gist of what I was saying, especially if you speak fluent Typonese!

  9. When is turning off their DARs going to be addressed? This should be an ongoing issue that doesn’t just pertain to the Kelly Thomas murder.

    1. Yes, Goodrich. The guy who claimed there was a titanic struggle with broken bones. The one who said Kelly was suspected of breaking into cars.

  10. “When politics enter into municipal government, nothing resulting therefrom in the way of crimes and infamies is then incredible. It actually enables one to accept and believe the impossible…”

    ~Mark Twain

  11. Regarding the Veth Nam case:

    “Goodrich said investigators will examine court transcripts and talk to the parties involved to determine what happened and why. ”

    Did the officers lie? Did they make a mistake? Did they have other information that wasn’t captured in the video?” Goodrich said. ”

    I don’t know Sgt. Goodrich, did they?

    “Goodrich said he could not comment on whether any officers involved in Mam’s arrest were also involved in the July 5 arrest of Thomas. ”

    Because why?

    1. Fullerton police probe arrest [Corrected 08/24/11]: Acting chief orders investigation into case of Veth Mam, who has been acquitted in fight with officers.
      Salazar, DenisseView Profile. Orange County Register [Santa Ana, Calif] 19 Aug 2011.

      above post

  12. Justice :I may be putting too much expectation into the feds stepping in and turning over rocks that some of these individuals are hiding under, but remember that conspiracy charges can be a far reaching dragnet that can scoop up a lot of folks who think they are untouchable- AKA the supervisors who watched the tapes and attempted coverup etc. We may all be surprised at how many Fullerton employees go down in flames over this. Believe me, there is a Federal prosecutor out there who is dying to make a name for themself over a major publicized high profile case like this. If you are FPD and you were involved in any illegal conduct in this case I would not be sleeping at night.

    FPD is not worrying cause there was no cover up. All you haters which there was. But you are gonna get disapointed.

  13. Anonymous :

    Justice :I may be putting too much expectation into the feds stepping in and turning over rocks that some of these individuals are hiding under, but remember that conspiracy charges can be a far reaching dragnet that can scoop up a lot of folks who think they are untouchable- AKA the supervisors who watched the tapes and attempted coverup etc. We may all be surprised at how many Fullerton employees go down in flames over this. Believe me, there is a Federal prosecutor out there who is dying to make a name for themself over a major publicized high profile case like this. If you are FPD and you were involved in any illegal conduct in this case I would not be sleeping at night.

    FPD is not worrying cause there was no cover up. All you haters which there was. But you are gonna get disapointed.

    oops wrong word..”wish”.

  14. And let us not forget ex-Fullerton police chief and proud member of the Orange County Human Relations(OCHRC), Fullerton council person Pat McKinley’s colleague, Rusty Kennedy. The same Rusty Kennedy who was given a glowing recommendation from Pat McKInley to act as head of the Fullerton Task Force on Homelessness. Now, how would Pat McKinley know Rusty would do a good job directing this task force? Because Rusty Kennedy also is the CEO of the OCHRC who acts as a clearing house for OC residents who complain their civil rights have been violated by law enforcement. Now, maybe it is just me, but I find it strange that Fullerton Police Dept.’s long history of police abuse upon our community never caught the attention of Rusty Kennedy and his commission.I wonder if this was due to then Fullerton Police Chief Pat McKinley serving on the board of same commission. I’m sure Rusty Kennedy will do a good job as director of the Fullerton Task Force On Homelessness in Fullerton, just ask his colleague, Pat McKinley.

      1. Hate Crimes Down 21% in County Last Year; Race: Some credit economy and tolerance programs. Others say prejudice that doesn’t make police reports isn’t tallied.: [Orange County Edition]
        Reyes, DavidView Profile. Los Angeles Times [Los Angeles, Calif] 13 Mar 1998: 1.

        “[OCHRC] Commissioner and Fullerton Police Chief Patrick E. McKinley attributed the overall decrease to aggressive prosecution by the district attorney’s office, the commission’s ongoing educational programs on tolerance, and a healthy economy that has reduced “scapegoating” against minorities.

        “Every time the economy goes bad, people have to find a reason why ‘I’m out of a job,’ ” McKinley said. “And, ‘I’ll blame somebody that doesn’t look like me.’ ”
        —————————————–
        Nobody looks like him.

        1. “The [OCHRC] commission works primarily as a facilitating agency, finding people with solutions for people with problems. It has been a link between police departments and community activists and has sponsored living-room discussions in neighborhoods where a lack of communication led to misunderstandings. ”

          BOARD TO MARK 25 YEARS OF // MAKING CULTURES COME TOGETHER // ORGANIZATIONS: The Orange County Human Relations Commission is still building bridges.: [MORNING Edition]
          JOHN HUGHES: The Orange County RegisterView Profile. Orange County Register [Santa Ana, Calif] 20 Apr 1996: b.01.

  15. FPD is worrying, their reputation is a joke, and if you came down here to down town on a Friday night and watch a skinny douche bag who is sooo hammered laugh at the cops and call them murderers…and mock them while we stand and watch them being ridiculed. So worry no- but what do they have to defend, pill popping, stealing, lying,steriods,sex abuse, raiding the wrong house, the list keeps going…so your right I am disapointed- but in this PD and everyone in it- If they stand by those who abuse the law they are no better than those criminals they seek- so call me a hater but Im an informed hater.

    1. If the anecdote you quote above is really true, and happens repeatedly, do us a favor and video it and youtube it.

      The citizenry in general right now are pretty outraged by brutal policing and unnecessary uses of force, like at the UCs and some of the shutdowns of OWS. So showing the courage of ordinary citizens standing up to police is something I think people really need to see.

      1. thurs- sat harbor and commonwealth to harbor and chapman- you will see the absolute disdain the drunkards have for police. Im not badge fan- it made me cringe. hours of 11:30 -2;00 its insane- come on down!

        1. Oh u mean all the drunk bar kids? Yea that’s always been that way too. That’s why half go to jail for drunk in public. Most still do. They just wait for em to walk around the corner and off they go. Yes talking shit, being loud, being a dick, causing a disturbance while being drunk is a crime. 🙂

  16. citizen M :FPD is worrying, their reputation is a joke, and if you came down here to down town on a Friday night and watch a skinny douche bag who is sooo hammered laugh at the cops and call them murderers…and mock them while we stand and watch them being ridiculed. So worry no- but what do they have to defend, pill popping, stealing, lying,steriods,sex abuse, raiding the wrong house, the list keeps going…so your right I am disapointed- but in this PD and everyone in it- If they stand by those who abuse the law they are no better than those criminals they seek- so call me a hater but Im an informed hater.

    Why dont you guys go snoop into other police departments. They are all the same. Fullerton is pretty calm comparing to others. All you “haters” took this tragedy for your own agenda. Just like Tony, Ron and All who have had bad dealings with this city for one reason or another.

      1. Good job. Snooping is good. I have said all along if you looked at every PD in the nation you wold realize things are done differently and many not how you would like them done. That doesn’t matter. They are done this way for a reason, per case law, and based on years of court cases and trials. Policy manuals are the first place to educate yourself. Then the laws. Of course you can go yell and scream at your local council meetings but you will also realize they barely listen to you because people do that at every meeting. Fullerton is nothing new. This happens in every city everyday. You thinking cities are going to do everything you say and demand is a pipe dream. Stay realistic. 🙂

    1. so you saying the murder and the resulting arrests were just for show, and we should just ignore it because that is what every other department does? What are you smoking? You sure seem to know alot about EVERY PD, who are you, God? Sellers? McKinley?

      What exactly would my agenda be? I don’t know TOny, Ron or anyone else here for that matter. I am plain ‘ol Fullerton resident of over 53 years who hasn’t had the police come to my home once (but yet I know many of them). I am sick to death of the life long atttitude of the FPD acting like they are God with their holier than thou attitude. I am also sick and tired of the city council acting as if they are running their own private empire at the expense MY tax dollarst. I have had enough. period.

      1. “Our own agenda.”

        Here’s my agenda: Compassionate, professional policing. The realization by LEOs that they work for the citizenry. Respect to the citizenry. Only relying on pain compliance or force when absolutely necessary to prevent serious injuries to the police, suspect, or others.

        Wow, pretty radical agenda huh.

    2. I have NO vested interest in what OTHER dept’s do. Im interested in the men in blue I pay for. Hello? You have to be a goober…who uses hater anymore?

  17. Jane H :“Why dont you guys go snoop into other police departments.[?]”
    I am, don’t worry. Scared?

    Nope not at all. Cant wait to see what you find.

  18. Sometimes reality sucks huh? I’ve told you since Day 1 you need to get in touch with reality. Your desires are dreams that will never come true. 🙂

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    1. most cops are crazy MOFO’S
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  19. karma :so you saying the murder and the resulting arrests were just for show, and we should just ignore it because that is what every other department does? What are you smoking? You sure seem to know alot about EVERY PD, who are you, God? Sellers? McKinley?
    What exactly would my agenda be? I don’t know TOny, Ron or anyone else here for that matter. I am plain ‘ol Fullerton resident of over 53 years who hasn’t had the police come to my home once (but yet I know many of them). I am sick to death of the life long atttitude of the FPD acting like they are God with their holier than thou attitude. I am also sick and tired of the city council acting as if they are running their own private empire at the expense MY tax dollarst. I have had enough. period.

    Well you are lucky you have never had the need for the police department. Cause when you do, you are gonna be glad they are around to help you.

    1. Yeah, right. They’ll be there to take the report, blow you off, and six months later drop the case for lack of evidence.

    2. Lucky my ass. Its their JOB to be there when I call, I pay taxes for this service, I dont get paid to get the gestapo treatment and further, no one is holding a knife to their back, if they dont like it, find something else to do.
      I dont owe them a damn thing.
      Nurses and doctors work all hours saving lives and are subject to violence, death and pain yet they dont get half the respect, perks or pensions that coppers in the system get-but they’re there because thats what they chose to do. same with the whiney coppers-get real.

        1. Cruella DeMayor: Achtung! Warning 1! I will have the FPD excort you off the internet!

          (20 minutes later in the basement…)

          Mister Clean: Mmm. You smell nice and saucy. How about we find a good spot and I’ll you the old Rincon.

          Cruella DeMayor: Hee Hee! You are such a dog. Hey. Don’t have you to pick up your wife?

          Mister Clean: She can wait. Mmm I just want to take you right here right now. Woof!

          …The point being, Mister Clean has been banging Cruella DeMayor for a few years now.

      1. Partially true. Small part. Oh don’t tell them how to do their jobs and you dictate how they do it. As much as you might think you do, you don’t. So keep dreaming. 🙂

        1. what the hell is only a small part? all of what I said is true -Im the one paying the salary for those Doc Holiday wannabes period. nothing about what they do is private – all of it is my bidness, and I dont have a desire to tell anyone how to conduct themselves as long as they know how to do it

          1. Based on your tone here and your attitude, im sure you are the same way in person. If you act like that to a cop, they are going to act the same way back. Yes they will answer the call for service for you but you will get the same tone and attitude that you give them. That’s the reality. 🙂

  20. merijoe :Lucky my ass. Its their JOB to be there when I call, I pay taxes for this service, I dont get paid to get the gestapo treatment and further, no one is holding a knife to their back, if they dont like it, find something else to do.I dont owe them a damn thing.Nurses and doctors work all hours saving lives and are subject to violence, death and pain yet they dont get half the respect, perks or pensions that coppers in the system get-but they’re there because thats what they chose to do. same with the whiney coppers-get real.

    Yeah be disrespectful to a doctor or nurse. They’ll let you ass die.

    1. yea try that attitude, tone, and tell them you know everything. See how it goes. You might end up with a big needle up your ass. Lol diagnosis allied for it lol 🙂

  21. merijoe :what the hell is only a small part? all of what I said is true -Im the one paying the salary for those Doc Holiday wannabes period. nothing about what they do is private – all of it is my bidness, and I dont have a desire to tell anyone how to conduct themselves as long as they know how to do it

    The thing is…if you are a bitch to them. They have you on tape. So be nice for goodness sake. Or you are up shit creek……………………….

  22. theyre idea of being a bitch is if you dont walk the way they want you to.

    thats why i carry my video with me when I go to the mailbox

  23. Merijoe is good people. Frankly some of what she types on here surprises me because she is very well-mannered in person…but then again she puts up with a LOT of bashing on here so go figure.

    On a similar note, RI surprises me on here by not losing it; he too puts up with a ton of crap here lol.

    1. “On a similar note, RI surprises me on here by not losing it; he too puts up with a ton of crap here lol.”

      He asks for it and his intentions are suspicious, to me.

    2. Really VW? I guess some people grow balls online so that makes sense.

      What I see and hear on here is the same as what I see and hear everyday in the streets. It’s all good. Part of the job. I enjoy it.

  24. Jane H :
    “On a similar note, RI surprises me on here by not losing it; he too puts up with a ton of crap here lol.”
    He asks for it and his intentions are suspicious, to me.

    Nah, I don’t see that…I see RI as more of a ‘grounding rod’…he speaks freely, doesn’t insult people and even though he is speaking as an advocate for LE he is pretty much right. I disagree on some things he posts, but it’s enlightening to hear from the other side of the fence so to speak.

    …whatever, last I checked no one has been fired yet from all this crap. :sigh:

    1. “Nah, I don’t see that”

      I know. I think it’s a gender difference. My hackles are up with RI, and there is good reason.

      End of story.

      1. If RI gets a rise out of you, he has a new player in the game, there is high entertainment value in it for him. I am not his biggest fan and I don’t trust 100% of what he claims to be true, but he does occasionally make valid points without insulting people verbally. He has a very Darryl Gates condescending quality about him; I always hated that guy.

  25. citizen M :
    thurs- sat harbor and commonwealth to harbor and chapman- you will see the absolute disdain the drunkards have for police. Im not badge fan- it made me cringe. hours of 11:30 -2;00 its insane- come on down!

    Reality Is :
    Oh u mean all the drunk bar kids? Yea that’s always been that way too. That’s why half go to jail for drunk in public. Most still do. They just wait for em to walk around the corner and off they go. Yes talking shit, being loud, being a dick, causing a disturbance while being drunk is a crime.

    @ Citizen M: LOL, if only they knew.

    @RI: What do you expect when there are so many drinking establishments? I’ve had plenty of fun at most (if not all) of them. If you had the view that Citizen M has your head would assplode* lol

    *yes that was intentional misspelling.

  26. merijoe :theyre idea of being a bitch is if you dont walk the way they want you to.
    thats why i carry my video with me when I go to the mailbox

    Walk to the mailbox with a video..sounds like paranoia.

    1. Anonymous :

      merijoe :theyre idea of being a bitch is if you dont walk the way they want you to.
      thats why i carry my video with me when I go to the mailbox

      Walk to the mailbox with a video..sounds like paranoia.

      …it’s the new reality in Fullerton where our very own police department murders your sons, and rapes your wives and daughters.

  27. vw type 53a :

    citizen M :
    thurs- sat harbor and commonwealth to harbor and chapman- you will see the absolute disdain the drunkards have for police. Im not badge fan- it made me cringe. hours of 11:30 -2;00 its insane- come on down!

    Reality Is :
    Oh u mean all the drunk bar kids? Yea that’s always been that way too. That’s why half go to jail for drunk in public. Most still do. They just wait for em to walk around the corner and off they go. Yes talking shit, being loud, being a dick, causing a disturbance while being drunk is a crime.

    @ Citizen M: LOL, if only they knew.
    @RI: What do you expect when there are so many drinking establishments? I’ve had plenty of fun at most (if not all) of them. If you had the view that Citizen M has your head would assplode* lol
    *yes that was intentional misspelling.

    😀 🙂 😉 😛 😎

  28. We all know that there is video and audio still out there that shows quit a bit of what took place. That needs to be released. If the all the folks mentioned above know that the video and audio gets released they are next to go. That includes the new chief as well. Who has done nothing to smooth over the situation. The silence from this whole crew is is as loud as it gets. They all hide behind attorney requests, they are not coroperating with the investigation. What happened to the independent investigation guy? I think its time to raise the volume again at city council meetings until some answers start happening.

  29. …and just to put it out there: R.I.P. Kelly Thomas. Thank you for opening a lot of peoples eyes 5 months ago today. May God carry you now.

  30. Jane H :Don’t lie. I have a very good sixth sense.

    Hey Reality Is…what happened to all your postings. I guess someone didnt like them and took them off.

  31. Excellent and well-written topic. This should be an article/story in all the local and perhaps national news outlets. But, the police machine will expect this to all blow over and be forgotten by the time those few that are charged actually see a trial.

    It isn’t going to be forgotten as long as those that care and continue to be vigilant press on.

  32. karma :
    Heard on the news just now (KFI) that Silva says she doesn’t believe there was a cover up. Can you freaking beleive that? How do you like your new major now? The only difference between her and the other three corrupt knuckleheads is she wears a skirt, in public.
    Still looking for the news source of the story, will post it when I find it.

    Once she took office, they implanted the “temporal device.”
    This is part of your acceptance into “the club.” She is forever lost to the temptation of power.

  33. One of these days the American people are going to wake up and realize it is time to start controlling the police. The police in this country are out of control.

  34. Rusty Kennedy is an empty suit hack who has ignored hate speech at UC Irvine for years because it comes from one of his favored groups at the expense of a not-so-favored group. This is the same guy who gave one of his esteemed “Rusty awards” to Imam Muzammil Siddiqi, who is linked to all kinds of suspect groups. This is the same guy who took his OCHRC traveling show to S Africa as part of the Durbin Conference and feted Yassir Arafat.

    Fulerton’s homeless can sleep well tonight.

  35. Tony,

    I have a great idea for you. Offer to buy this for every Fullerton cop and as long as policy is changed to say every officer must wear it and have it on 24/7, you will pay for all of them and the server to store the downloads. Could you think of a more proactive way to help PD relations and make things better for the PD and community trust? Positive recall spin? 🙂

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77oqTuGNfQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    1. RI- Here’s a great idea for you-
      Why dont you or a buddy of yours be the the protocol-get yourself one or two and get back to everyone with the results- save the invoice

      1. What about it Reality Is? If I personally pony up the money for you to buy one of these devices, would you be willing to be wear it for the duration of your 10-12 hour daily shift for a week, and then post a summary of your findings on the FFFF blog with the rest of us?

        1. It’s a terrific idea, but it won’t happen. Reality Is Probably Hamilton would never want you to have even more proof of him sitting in his chair blogging 24/7, on the taxpayer dollar. (While consuming mass quantities of donuts and Starbucks.)

          1. …I tend to agree that that is the ONLY reason that these haven’t already been deployed. The residents and taxpayers of Fullerton will have to demand that any and all officers in contact with the public be outfitted with these while on duty, and that there Supervisor or Commander will have to pesonally verify and intial that they have reviewed and archived the contents daily.

            …. still waiting for a reply from Reality Is or anyone else from the Fullerton PD who would like to accept my offer.

    2. Rincon was forced to wear one of those after the non-prosecution of his sexual assaults.

      Later on he got fired for something else.

    3. Long time lurker, first time poster. Could you please stop ending each of your posts with a smiley emoticon? I get it. You’re making fun of their lack of knowledge regarding bureaucratic protocol. The only trouble is that whatever relevant statements come out of your mouth are always laced with the smirking contempt you show those who are outraged at the city’s conduct whether it be in the police department or the mayor’s office. In my opinion, it dulls your message, and only serves to further alienate readers from you.

      This is not the playground. Flinging sand in people’s eyes is unnecessary here. We can see the conversation chain perfectly fine.

  36. So as a recap, the “all powerful” FFFF blog and rallies have accomplished absolutely nothing but shine a temporary spotlight on the Kelly Thomas death?

  37. JN :
    So as a recap, the “all powerful” FFFF blog and rallies have accomplished absolutely nothing but shine a temporary spotlight on the Kelly Thomas death?

    No. 4F is at the least partially if not mostly responsible for what is going on in our local politics. Pay attention.

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