Tanned, Rested, Ready. Bill Hunt For Fullerton Police Chief?

Dear Friends, we received the following e-mail today:

The Fullerton Police Department needs a housecleaning; a big broom that will reach all the way back into the filthy corners that haven’t been cleaned for years. There are hairballs and dust bunnies back in there dating to Patdown Pat McPension’s first years on the job.

Except for those inside the department and the cowardly do-nothing types like Sharon Quirk who would have us believe that she and Dan Hughes are cleaning up the spills on Aisle One, nobody believes the department is capable of reforming itself. We need an objective outsider to do the job. Somebody who has experience as a municipal police chief, but who isn’t afraid to take on the establishment.

That person is Bill Hunt.

As a lieutenant in the OC Sheriff’s Department he was the Police Chief of San Clemente. He took on the corrupt Sheriff, Mike Carona when nobody else had the guts to. In doing so he earned the enmity of all the other crooked repuglicans in Orange County. It cost him his job.

Let’s get Fullerton back on track. Let’s get a strong, effective, honorable reformer running our police department!

 

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441 thoughts on “Tanned, Rested, Ready. Bill Hunt For Fullerton Police Chief?

      1. Imagine Fullerton without a union through all this? They would all be fired and run over. Fullerton is showing why unions and POBAR were formed and why they are so important. Thank you Fullerton.

        1. I can imagine Fullerton with a union that represents the interests of public safety balancing with the interests of the taxpayers. Possible you bet, probable? Time will tell.Throw a few more under the bus and the word will get out. In my opinion what we have now is a mafia and a hostage situation with the public and the taxpayers. Ask any criminal defense attorney that has had dealings with the FPD and its reputation precedes it. Then look at closed session council meetings. POBAR in theory has its purpose just like our Bill of Rights does. Both require parties act in good faith, that the DA is clean and the black robes aren’t hiding anything. Funny thing about money and what happens when it runs out. Water always seeks its own level. It will be an interesting year for sure in Fullerton.

          1. That’s not how labor unions are. They properly represent the interests of their members.

            This was what was set up in the 70s by Jerry Brown when he unionized the state.

            Here we are 30 years later and big surprise! All that money in politics to support public employee union member’s interests. And Jerry Brown. And the Democrats.

            Hundreds of millions of dollars to influence elections by changing the minds of weak minded voters. Trying to get then to vote yes on tax increases.

            What a surprise.

            1. Then we bust it. No more money no problem with the economy in free fall they play ball or get off of the field. There are two sides to the table and at this point neither one has a gun to the others head.A good spike in interest rates will close the cash register and its outsource time. Wisely they giveth before they getteth taken away.

        2. I do not have to image life without an UNION, I live such a life. No reason why public sector employees can work and survive without a UNION.

          I say bust the FPD Police Union via bankruptcy and revoke the pensions of retired employees. They have social security like the rest of us.

          Follow Stockton’s lead.

          STOCKTON, Calif. — The long, slow slide into financial collapse is nearly complete for this Central Valley community.

          On Tuesday night, City Council members approved a new budget that will guide city operations during bankruptcy and amend a $26 million budget shortfall.

          The new budget will suspend debt payments, cut employee pay and reduce retiree benefits, allowing this city of about 292,000 residents to continue providing essential services through the bankruptcy process.

          http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/us/stockton-california-heads-for-bankruptcy-court.html?_r=2&partner=MYWAY&ei=5065

          1. Actually, most of them don’t. Many public employees with state pensions are barred from contributing to social security, meaning they can’t withdraw either.

            Let’s not be vindictive. Public employees who’ve earned a pension should keep it. You’re proposing to ruin lives and that isn’t any more right that it is to burden the taxpayer with debt. There are better solutions. It is clear things must change if we’re all to have a future, but what you’re proposing to do is immoral.

            Also– FYI, Stockton is a shit hole. Let’s not compare anything we do here to anything they do there.

            1. “Public employees who’ve earned a pension should keep it.”

              Or to put it another way: public employees who were permitted to unionize and engage in political activity were able to extract exorbitant salaries and benefits courtesy of the compliant pols they got elected and deserve to keep them.

              1. No, people who have worked 35 years for a determined benefit should keep it. Don’t be an ass.

                They do deserve it. You’re injecting politics into an area that doesn’t need it. If you want to go single out lazy, incompetent individuals who deserved to be fired a long time ago– great. Don’t demonize the entire workforce. It isn’t democratic and it isn’t right.

                Most of the salaries and pensions ARE NOT grossly out of line with the private sector. Many are, but not all. Don’t turn this into class warfare. If you do, don’t be a chicken shit and go all in. Why not just fire them all, collect their wages from the last ten years, and lock up those who can’t pay?

                1. Sure they are. Who in the private sector gets a defined benefit. That’s right. Nobody. Those went away decades ago. And who in the private sector gets the civil services protection. That’s right – nobody. who can be fired when they screw up? Thats’ right, not the public employee. He just gets moved around.

                  Not “grossly” out of line? Okay. How about just obscenely out of line?

                2. Lets take Pat Mckinley-$219,000 per year pension. Where would that come from in the private sector- I can tell you-a 4 million dollar cash account paying 5% interest. Good luck with a 5% guarantee ANYWHERE. Ok so he would have had to set aside about $100,000 per year for 30 years give or take. Not going to happen-nor did it ever-look at the contributions-they are paltry at best. System is obviously broke. This thing is like being in the bar on the Titanic and everyone involved has been living large since it left the dock. All the money has been squandered on opulence and nothing on the life boats-fools. Who is going to fix it?

                3. I get a defined benefit in the private sector. I know a lot of people who do. The company stopped issuing them to new employees about 2 years ago, which was a smart move. A great idea to consider for new hires in the public sector.

                  What they didn’t do was revoke pensions for those employees who already had them or retires. You know why? 1) It’s illegal. 2) It’s immoral.

                  You’re confusing the issue with your rants. I’m all for accountability with union employees. If you screw up bad enough, you should be fired. No one is debating this with you. I have no idea why you brought it up.

                  Your argument is lacking. Sorely.

                  Don’t revoke pensions for employees who have already retired or are close to retiring. It’s just wrong. Find a better way to fix the problem. Transitioning employees to a 401(k) or similar is a good start. Accountability for bad actors is also a good step.

              2. Fullerton’s tax base can evaporate with an interest rate spike and deficit spending reductions at the state and federal level. We are heavily dependent on government jobs in this town and the property values and their tax revenues are in flux. No doubt we could be hit hard like Stockton considering the unfunded obligations. We could be in for a similar ride in the future. No one is safe in this economy and no thanks to our leaders than have sped us towards the cliff voting largesse for themselves and their henchmen.

          1. A true “good cop” would welcome the leadership change in Fullerton.

            Good riddance to anyone the FPOA thinks is a “good cop”

            1. Several have left for greener pastures? Let me guess that none of the positions that the FPD cops moved to were in Orange County. Only exemplary cops would be hired. No City Manager wants to explain to their city council why they hired someone from places like Cudahy, Bell and Fullerton!

      1. And Kellys Army and friends are endorsing this idiot…SOUNDS LIKE THESE IDIOTS WOULD WANT THIS IDIOT…WHAT A BUNCH OF DUMBSHITS!!!

      2. Hunt is a strong constitutionalist. its apparent you support that people are guilty until proven innocent rather than innocent until proven guilty.

        The Cops would love and do love having the power to disregard the constitutional rights of all. If you allow this to be done to one person then it will be done to all.

        If this person was truly guilty then there is a process to be followed. If Hunt came to his defense that alone speaks volumes to the violations of his rights.

        Just because the Union pulled support for Hunt it is no indication of how Hunt will perform as Chief.

      3. And then there is this in the article you provide;

        “He shows up and questions my officer’s expertise, this is a man who’s going to be sheriff,” Perez said. He acknowledged that a lot of former police officers work as private investigators for defense lawyers.”

        “But a lot of cops don’t try to come back and be the head of the department,” Perez said.

        Oh my, how dare someone question one of your officers, Perez, and therein lies one of the problems with Cops and their unions. According to Perez and reading between the lines, once you leave don’t come back or you shouldn’t come back, reveals that Perez was butt hurt by Hunt and took it personal.

      4. “In a interview Monday, Hunt said he believes that Lua is innocent and that a criminal defense is a constitutional right.”

        Hmm. Interesting attitude for a cop. When he was there the San Clemente cops didn’t murder anybody.

        You really are a swine.

        1. I don’t take cases where I don’t think my client is right and I don’t have to convince myself. Criminal defense is a constitutional right, but there’s no requirement that a consultant testify on behalf of a gang member. The “interesting attitude for a cop” earned him good money. That’s “interesting” too.

          Wow, there were no murders by cops in San Clemente and therefore Hunt must be OK. That’s some logic you have there. Well, there haven’t been any murders by cops since Hughes took over as Chief, so I guess that by that logic he must be OK too.

          1. No requirement that a consultant testify on behalf of a gang member? Of course not. But isn’t it a part of constitutional law that a defendant be allowed to put on all exculpatory evidence? Nobody has ever been thrown in jail for 20 years for a crime they did not commit right? Kelly got the death sentence for the crime of homelessness. Was there no requirement allowing somebody to come to his defense? Keep in mind Perez is and was a tool of Walters, another establishment junkie.

          2. Just out of curiosity, do you have a single morsel of evidence one way or another about Hunt’s record on police brutality? You said nobody’s posing the question. I’m posing it.

            1. No I don’t (although I do regarding the OCSD. Wait for it.)

              Let me address your confusion. What we’re addressing right now is the moment when the evidence starts to favor one story line about what just happened with the recall versus another.

              Storyline 1 is that Tony and the FFFFster leaders were really, legitimately, exercised over the killing of Kelly Thomas and wanted to make sure that those policing Fullerton would never allow it again. This is likely true of voters, but not necessarily true of leaders.

              Storyline 2 is that Tony and his gang, despite not liking it when a harmless homeless guy is killed, were just using the Kelly Thomas killing as a way of electing a majority to the City Council that would implement their anti-tax, anti-pension, anti-union, anti-public employee agenda.

              (People here have of course been frantically upset at the notion that Scenario 2, rather than Scenario 1, could have been the real primary motivation for the recall.)

              Up until now, the recall leaders’ actions would have been pretty much the same under Scenario 1 and Scenario 2. They certainly didn’t campaign primarily (or hardly at all) on “bankrupt the city and void the pensions” or whatever they have in mind. It was only after the recall that the paths they would take under Scenario 1 and Scenario 2 would diverge.

              (Perhaps you’ll recall that I asked candidates to go on the record as to whether they’d pursue bankruptcy to break existing pension obligations. Sebourn answered (with sort of a maybe); Kiger and Levinson didn’t. Tony, on OJB, said that he knew enough to keep his mouth shut until the sale is done.)

              So I’ve been waiting for is to compare the seriousness: are they taking more serious steps to ensure that there’s no more Kelly Thomas-like situations or to conduct a war on public employees. They seem to be VERY serious about the latter — to an extent that will probably surprise voters and may bring Travis Kiger’s rein on City Council (and maybe Bruce Whitaker’s as well) to an early end.

              On the other hand, how serious are they about preventing police abuse? The clamoring for Bill Hunt — without any apparent exploration of his history regarding police abuse, which should be a major concern for those who want to reduce police abuse — suggests that they’re not really very serious about that at all.

              The final results aren’t in, but I’d say that at this point Scenario 2 is winning by a mile.

              This took so long to write that I guess I’ll make this a story at OJB also.

              1. I’m going to give you credit – this is the best thing you’ve posted here yet and its a fair question especially for people who supported the recall almost entirely because of police brutality.

                But I don’t think its a case of either/or. I think its a case of both/and.

                In the case of the police, both scenarios are unfortunately correct. The contention that police union as a lobbying force plays a role in police brutality appears to be dead on. I’m not saying that without a police union or without POBOR you wouldn’t have police brutality. Police brutality is also a cultural phenomenon, not just a political one. It is supported by a culture of intolerance and scapegoating of the weak, the marginalized, and the downtrodden. But there is no doubt that police unions act as protection for individual out-of-control officers. So even if Scenario #2 is the case, the effect of anti-police union policies may very well be to hugely diminish police brutality.

                IMO Hunt has a huge amount NOT going for him. But on the other hand he is supposedly for accountability of his officers. If that is the case, then hypothetically he might look at each officer’s personnel file and suspend or at least pull off the street officers with complaints of brutality or excessive force.

                Bottom line – you are supposing that scenarios #1 and 2 are mutually exclusive. I know that the leaders of this “revolt” ARE personally disturbed by police brutality itself, not just concerned about taxes and pensions. All of these things dovetail together and can be placed under the broader heading of “authoritarian government run amok.” As long as that remains their focus they will be supported.

                1. Cool. Some good analysis going on. Not that I agree, but good reasonable analysis on the facts available to you both. (not that I know anything more) Greg’s scenario #2 is a real stretch. A poor guy gets killed and it’s a bootstrap to kick the bald tires out before they even have time to react? More likely it evolved that way and I could see some people getting seriously pissed off on how it was handled. And, of course, the natural re-direction of that anger. Maybe arrogance of local LE and them biting the hand that feeds them was part of it. I can see that. A national issue, not just here, is pensions. I followed Hunt because I saw what the OC Weekly was putting up on Carona and the establishment and the establishment newspaper did nothing. (Kinda like the Kelly case). At about that same time I started visiting this site because they weren’t contaminated by the establishment. Hunt made it clear back then that the retirement issue was unsustainable and he STILL got the rank and file to endorse him. As for “brutality” and “excessive force”, he was back then an “originalist” regarding the constitution. That applies to immigrants, the homeless or John Q. Citizen. If he saw it under his command he be bouncing some asses all the way to file clerk. That’s why San Clemente would take him back in a heartbeat but thanks to Carona the Convict, that won’t happen.

    1. No I heard that it was going to be Robert Schuller-“see everyone of those seats out there-they are cash registers”-

      1. Marlena has consistently been the most articulate and outspoken advocate for Kelly’s Army. She works on behalf of the cause, literally, every day. So shut the fuck up and crawl back under your rock.

          1. I can never understand why bloggers like TimeWillTell think that you have to be poor to possess a conscience?

            1. “Life is fountain of joy; but where the rabble also gather to drink, all wells are poisoned.”
              Friedrich Nietzsche

      2. Marlena possesses something that you can never take away from her that you really need.

        Fortitude.

        I wish there were more like her.

        God bless you Marlena.

  1. No I heard it was going to be Robert Schuller-see everyone of those seats out there-they are cash registers-

      1. If he, or whoever, isn’t willing to move here, he or whoever’s not the right choice. Sellers proved that.

  2. All this excitement about Bill Hunt seems like a boy marrying the first girl he kisses. Maybe a more systematic approach is needed.

  3. Like nobody saw this possibly coming. Admin now has city council lined with his buddies and now they may look at another buddy to be police chief. Admin do you remeber your other buddy was responsible for the hiring of Sellers. The town I live in.

    1. Bill was in bed with Corona, until he pissed him off

      Post proof (ie a news article) otherwise you are full of shit.

  4. The OC sheriffs Dept. are good at running a jail. They have no experience running a city like Fullerton. You need someone with experience. Why do you think Sellers ran away, no experience!

    1. Incrorrect. They currently have contracts with San Clemente, Mission Viejo, San Juan Capistrano, Lake Forest, Laguna Niguel, Laguna Hills, Dana Point, Stanton, Aliso Viejo, and Villa Park. They will soon have the contract to police Yorba Linda, too.

      Sellers ran away because he had no character. He took the $200K per year when things were going well; he split as soon as the lid came off the can of worms.

      1. Yeah, like I said, no experience running a city like Fullerton.

        Sellers came from cities just like the ones you listed and he ran cause he didn’t know how to handle it cause it was the first time he had to deal with this sort of incident.

  5. Why was hunt demoted? Oh yeah covering
    up for Hatil’s rapist kid who was out bail?
    He’s also one of Tony’s employees. Great call.

    1. Why was hunt demoted? Oh yeah covering
      up for Hatil’s rapist kid who was out bail?

      Let me get this right, you want us to believe that Haidl who was assistant sheriff and Mike Corona demoted Bill for covering up for Haidl’s son?

      Is this right?

        1. I never said anything about Jaramilo and neither did you until now. Stop sidestepping and just answer my original question.

    1. Try finding a candidate for chief who didn’t come up the ranks of a unionized law enforcement agency. It’s literally impossible thanks to state law.

      1. There is a difference from coming up from the ranks and being an officer on the union board. I also remember Hunt ordering the arresting officer to re-write a police report in favor of haidl’s kid.

        1. . I also remember Hunt ordering the arresting officer to re-write a police report in favor of haidl’s kid.

          Post proof (ie a news article) otherwise you are full of shit.

            1. absolutely false Mr Anonymous. Many threads underlined in blue lead to proof information. Your posts on the other hand never seem to be anything but what I call public employee union rants.

        1. You’re not planning to negotiate with the city are you? How far in distance does everyone have to go in order to find a good enough job if the city lets them go? THe state budjet is on thin ice, what kind of opportunities are you going to give your people when cities are starting to cut back?

  6. RAMOS, MANUEL ANTHONY/ CICINELLI, JAY PATRICK
    Two police officers from the Fullerton Police Department (FPD) are facing charges for their criminal participation in the beating-death of a homeless man, 37-year-old Kelly Thomas. The decision regarding the filing of criminal charges was made by District Attorney Rackauckas following an extensive investigation and thorough legal review by the OCDA. The District Attorney On July 5, 2011, at 8:23 p.m., FPD Dispatch received a call reporting a “homeless” man looking in car windows and pulling on handles of parked cars in the FTC parking lot. Ramos contacted FPD Dispatch to report that he was in the area and would take the lead for the call. Thomas was detained by the officers but not placed under arrest. Ramos spoke with Thomas, instructed him to sit on the curb, and requested to search a backpack in Thomas’ possession. It was determined some of the contents, specifically, items of mail, belonged to someone other than Thomas. After several minutes of increasingly-aggressive instructions, Ramos is accused of escalating the contact to a physical altercation. It was 16 minutes from the initial time of contact to the beginning of the physical altercation and engagement in unlawful police conduct. The physical altercation lasted nine minutes and 40 seconds until the victim was in handcuffs and no longer moving. Thomas was severely bleeding, but the officers did not reduce their level of force. Throughout the struggle, Thomas’ actions were defensive in nature and motivated by pain and fear. Thomas was transported to the hospital never regained consciousness. FPD investigated the case on the night of the incident. The OCDA took over the investigation July 7, 2011. He died at the hospital on July 10, 2011. The OCSD coroner’s death certificate lists the manner of death as homicide and the cause of death to be blunt cranial-facial injuries sustained during physical altercation with law enforcement.” The toxicology report shows that Thomas had no illicit drugs or alcohol in his system at the time of the incident. The overall force applied against Thomas was excessive in its totality based on the fact that Thomas was unarmed and posed a low-level threat, the number of injuries sustained by the victim, location of injuries to the victim’s face and head, number of officers involved, and overall number of punches, knees, Tasers, and Taser hits to Thomas. Due to a lack of evidence, as described below, criminal charges were not filed against the remaining four officers involved in the incident including Officer Joseph Wolfe, Officer Kenton Hampton, Sergeant Kevin Craig, and Corporal James Blatney.

    06/26, C5, 9 AM

    http://orangecountyda.com/docs/1652192262012casemanagementlist.pdf

        1. Wow I cannot believe it. Kevin Craig is a Sergeant? Was he not the ranking officer at the scene? Was he therefore not in charge? Hey Mr. DA Tony, how come he was not charged since he was supposedly “in charge”!

    1. Thanks for the link. Look who else is on the docket. Pre-Trial. Vincent Mater.

      MATER, VINCENT THOMAS At the time of the crime, Mater was a police officer with FPD. At approximately 9:45 p.m. on April 14, 2011, Mater is accused of conducting a DUI investigation after making a traffic stop of a vehicle being driven without its lights on in the dark. The defendant was in uniform and driving a marked FPD patrol car. Mater is accused arresting the driver, Dean Gochenour, upon determining that Gochenour was under the influence of alcohol. Mater is accused of transporting Gochenour in in his patrol car to the Fullerton City Jail (FCJ) and turning him over to FPD jailers to be booked upon arrival. Throughout the duration of his contact with Gochenour, Mater is accused of wearing an FPD-issued Digital Audio Recording device (DAR), which was activated and would have audio-recorded any statements made by Mater or Gochenour. At approximately 11:30 p.m., inmate Gochenour committed suicide by hanging himself in a cell at FCJ. Orange County District Attorney’s Office (OCDA) was subsequently contacted to conduct the custodial death investigation. In the hours after Mater learned of Gochenour’s death, the defendant is accused of destroying his DAR by crushing it and removing the mother board and circuit board. The audio captured on Mater’s DAR of the defendant’s interaction with Gochenour could not be recovered as a result of the damage. The defendant is accused of destroying evidence that would have been relevant to the OCDA’s custodial death investigation The 06/26, N9, 8:30 AM PRE-TRIAL BROCK ZIMMON SPECIAL PROSECUTIONS • 12NM02768

      1. Ramos, Cicinelli at 8:30 and then Mater at 9:00 a.m. I wonder what kind of mood the judge will be in by the time Mater’s name is called.

        1. Pre trial will be waived with a few motions. Just a technicality. Mater will be in and out also. Just a not guilty plea. All formalities.

        2. Mater? Isn’t he runnin a tow truck service in Radiator Springs or did he get the new Fullerton tow contract? We can all visit him at Disneyland!

          1. Tuco you must be talking about his cousin Tow Mater, This one’s name is VINCINERATOR MATER, and he’s all mine.

    2. JIMENEZ, JOSE GUADALUPE

      Jimenez is a professional clown who goes by the name of “El Tin Marin,” an occupation which regularly allowed him access to children.

      On the night of Jan. 19, 2002, Jimenez, dressed as a clown, is accused of approaching 12- year-old Jane Doe outside of the Taco Bell in Fullerton. He is accused of grabbing Jane Doe by the wrists, pulling her into his car, and driving the victim to an area near a school.

      He is accused of raping her inside the car.

      Jimenez is accused of then driving Jane Doe to a hotel in Fullerton. As soon as Jimenez parked the car, the victim was able to escape and run to a convenience store for help.

      The defendant’s DNA was taken for a 2010 misdemeanor case and in February 2011, Jimenez was linked through DNA to the 2002 cold case.

    1. Umm Mr. Anonymouse, that’s Wiley Drake, Pastor in Buena Park and advocate for the homeless. And you are?????

  7. I’m leaning toward no on this one. First of all Michael Carona is not who the Bilderbergers were after. He was aquitted on alot of the charges against him. I think he was accused of taking 12,000(USD) in a bribe or was it a gift, and of having really good sex with his mistress. Michael Carona was not the real target, but they certainly were warning him were’nt they?

  8. Well, if the FPD trolls and their groupies are upset at the notion of Hunt taking over, that’s a good sign for the taxpayers that you are on the right path.

      1. Sociopaths have deep feelings about nothing too, and that’s not something any normal person can ever aspire to. Is this your admission?

        1. Yes. Narcissistic sociopaths. All of em. For sure. Crazy nuthouse over there on Commonwealth. I heard ghosts too.

          1. So are you saying your Line of work eventually desensitizes people to the point of beating Kelly Thomas to death? If so, are you to worn out to find a solution?

        2. So we have a new chief, so what. Nothing is going to change. Nothing will ever change…..So the new chief makes a few politically correct statements….Business as usual.

          1. O’ Malley, you’ve been saying that for almost a year. Wait ’til the first council meeting. You’re going to have your shit shoved right back up your cloaca.

            You’re so desperate for attention now that you’re changing your name all the time but you can’t hide your swinish mindset.

            Also, say hi to Dave Ellis for us and find out if that ass-kicking hurt much.

            1. Even someone as dumb as you Fred can see this FPOA post wasnt RI. Don’t make yourself look so dumb. Even MeriJoe could figure that out.

  9. It will be interesting to see if the newly seated city council retains Felz as city manager since they have to pay him a full year severance thanks to Patdown Pat McPension and his crew of dinosaurs.
    Another question is do the citizens of Fullerton want as their new police chief a 35 year member of the existing FPD who was actually in charge of the group that killed Kelly Thomas! Yup, that group of 6 reported to Acting Chief Hughes when he was Captain. Did he do anything? Yes or no.

    1. Let us demand that all involved do the right thing. It appears the department is metastatic. Chemo at this point would be only palliative.

  10. Back when Hunt was running against Corona for Sheriff, I told everyone I know to vote for him. Signs in the yard. Bumperstickers. Etc.

    It was a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. My distaste for Corona’s corruption had no bounds. He was dirty to the core. I was in disbelief that Corona won the election. Clearly demonstrates how the electorate just doesn’t pay attention and is swayed by slick election mailers (kinda like Fullerton, past and present).

    In any case…..be careful what you wish for. While he was certainly a better choice than Corona, there are many better candidates.

  11. According to KCAL 9’s Dave Lopez, a Hunt friend (Robert Stevenson) and yes DONOR to the Hunt Campaign was stopped for suspicion of driving while intoxicated at 1am in San Clemente two weeks ago. This drunk friend of Hunt quickly said “I wanna call Bill Hunt” when the deputy on scene asked for Stevenson’s license, he said “I don’t have a driver’s license. I’m too drunk to even know where one is.”

    That’s when the sheriff’s deputy quickly turned off the recording devise that usually captures conversations of traffic stops. Hmmm. This alone would arouse some suspicion. But wait there’s more. Instead of being hauled off to jail like you or I would have been, this friend of Bill Hunt was shown the FRONT seat of the deputy’s cruiser and given a free ride home. But wait there is more…

    Once inside the cruiser, this friend and Hunt campaign supporter found all the pretty lights and switches quite alluring. So in his drunken state he started flipping switches and pushing buttons. According to the police report “He activated the air horn and patrol siren” This could be classic Will Ferrell comedy material if it wasn’t true.

    Hunt claims he got a call from one of the deputies on the scene that he told the deputies to “do the right thing” wink wink.

    Its not like Bill Hunt just moved into his glass house either. He is the same Bill Hunt that ordered deputies to give a ride home to now-convicted rapist Greg Haidl the night he was stopped with Marijuana as a minor. So you see Bill Hunt is an equal opportunity ethics violator. The only common threads I can see is that you have to be rich and high on something to get a get out of jail free card and a quite ride home after thumbing our nose at the law in San Clemente.

    Taking about the Haidl case: Lopez points out that the Attorney General chastised Hunt for “…exercising poor judgment in his decision to direct [the deputy] to remove details contained in his report…”

    The bottom line is no one is perfect. But Hunt and his followers keep pretending he is.

    1. Man you could get a job at MSM partner NBC with that spin of omissions. Dave Lopez of another MSM liberal affiliate CBS (they hate anyone who would enforce immigration laws), is a Schroeder ally (read Carona stooge) who was always on hand when Schroeder/Carona had a story to tell false or not. The drunk guy was arrested that night on Hunt’s orders. I am pretty sure said drunk was a retired OCSD deputy. Although you say “now-convicted” Haidl, at the time he was in the eyes of the law a minor with pot. SOP was to drop minors off. Supervisors almost always review reports to make sure the facts comply with the law. Nothing to see here. Corona could never lay an IA for wrongdoing on Hunt (as much as he tried) except when he demoted Hunt for calling his boss a liar. Now Carona is in jail because..wait for it..Well you know. The talking points you mention above are right out of the establishment/Carona playbook.

  12. Hello all. Well, could my eyes be deceiving me? Please don’t tell me things are going well in Fullerton, FINALLY!! Sadly, it takes a death, and several years of torment by the establishment upon the citizenry to exact change.
    I applaud all of you who worked so hard to bring about real reform.

  13. Didn’t Hunt give Greg Haidl preferential treatment? What has he done to prove that he’ll give priority to the Fullerton citizens over the tainted cops? Why should we believe that he’s not just another insider without a cop job who will say whatever he needs to say to become the FPD chief?

    I say make Tony Bushala the FPD chief. It would be better to have a non-cop with a few brains heading the organization instead of another career cop. Career cops always cover their own. Tony would clean house. He’s your man.

  14. San Jose isn’t PERS but the good cops leaving Fullerton too. Sad.

    SJPD Resignations May Be on the RiseMARIANNE FAVRO 06/12/2012 10:09 AM

    Days after a pension reform measure overwhelmingly passed in San Jose, the talk around town was that city employees were planning to, or had already, quit.

    San Jose Police Chief Chris Moore on Friday said Measure B — the measure  to curb city pension benefits — can’t be directly attributed to the number of resignations on his desk. But he said that the fear of that measure passing, which it did Tuesday night with a nearly 70 percent approval rate, is strongly linked to the growing number of officers leaving San Jose, mostly for other Bay Area departments.

    “The resignations are outpacing the number of retirements,” Moore said, adding that the trend is new for the city.

    In 2005, the police department had 12 resignations, Moore said. Last year, there were 50.

    So far this year, Moore has 17 resignation letters on his desk. Moore is trying to recruit new officers to fill the ranks.

    The fire department has heard there could be a similar trend in its department.

    “The fire chief has heard there are firefighters thinking of applying for other departments,” San Jose Fire Department spokeswoman Mary Gutierrez said. “None of that has come through so far in our paperwork at this time. These are just things that he’s heard.”

    Among some of the changes that city employees will have to face under Measure B:

    Current employees can keep pension credits but must pay up to 16 percent more of their salary to continue that benefit or choose a more modest and affordable plan for their remaining years on the job.

    Retirement benefits will be limited for future hires by requiring them to pay half the cost of a pension.

    “Bonus” pension checks will be discontinued to retirees. Voter approval will be required for future pension increases.

    Measure B is now being litigated in the courts, with unions trying to overturn the measure, the city saying it has the right to amend employee benefits.

    To see a report on the union fighting Measure B in court, watch the video below.

     

    View more videos at: http://nbcbayarea.com.

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  15. #5 by FPOA on June 25, 2012

    We would file a suit against the City immediately. We will not allow him to be our boss.

    #55 by FPOA on June 25, 2012

    We will never let Hunt in the doors of the FPD.

    You are talking out both ends asswipe!

  16. From the OCWeekly….”the word of god” as known by FFFF

    A bombshell audio recording reveals police suppressed evidence that Assistant Sheriff Don Haidl’s teenage son was caught smoking marijuana while awaiting trial on charges he participated in a 2002 videotaped gang rape of an unconscious 16-year-old girl.

    Official records show that Assistant Sheriff George Jaramillo secretly ordered Sgt. Richard Downing to bury evidence of Gregory Scott Haidl’s involvement in an Oct. 26 San Clemente drug bust. Records also prove that Sheriff’s Lt. William J. Hunt–chief of police services in San Clemente, where the sheriff has jurisdiction–released Haidl without arrest and chauffeured him home. In a subsequent report, Hunt downplayed the ride as a “courtesy to another member of the department whose son was in a situation he should not have been in.”

    Haidl is awaiting a March trial on the rape charges. Under terms of his $100,000 bail, a drug arrest would have landed the 18-year-old in jail immediately.

    Sheriff’s Department officials deny they obstructed justice on Haidl’s behalf.

    But a sheriff’s department audio recording offers a rare, candid glimpse of Orange County law enforcement. On the tape, an excited Downing reaches Jaramillo at home on the night of Oct. 26. He tells Jaramillo, a political appointee close to Sheriff Mike Carona, that deputies have helped Haidl get out of “trouble.” Downing tells Jaramillo that officers found young Haidl “smoking pot behind some industrial buildings” with two other teenagers and that Hunt has “cut loose” Haidl without arrest or citation.

    “Okay,” says Jaramillo, who then orders that any records of the encounter be “buried” because “the press will be all over this.” Downing replies that the incident won’t appear in the official log. He tells Jaramillo the drug bust will be “our little secret.”

    1. If I didn’t know that it was impossible by definition, I’d be thinking something like “Culture of Corruption.”

        1. Are you saying that it’s not corruption or that it’s not a culture? Or are you objecting to trademark infringement?

          You’ll lose your grip in 4-1/2 months yourself.

            1. Hey Jt. Good for Tony is fiction fan. He makes it up as he goes along. He’s a lousy writer/fabricator at that. I am pretty sure he’s Schroeder’s ghost writer

              1. That was for Greg Diamond who seems to be upset that a minor was cut loose for smoking marijuana rather than being arrested. Since he’s running for office I would like to hear whether candidate Diamond thinks Haidl should have been arrested.

                1. “I would like to hear whether candidate Diamond thinks Haidl should have been arrested.”…….. Hmmmmm

                  As a ambulance chaser Golem can’t answer that question because Haidl was not inside the ambulance.

            2. I’m against selective enforcement of the law to protect the rich and powerful while persecuting the weak. I’d make marijuana legal (and taxed) for ages 21 and up. Until then, I sure would not be giving a pass to sons of the elite and well-connected. You have a problem with that?

              1. All drug laws are already selectively enforced. Hunt was right to let the kid off. Of course that should apply to all, not just the kids of the rich or powerful.

                Lots of problems with Hunt though. No friend of that worthless moron Arpaio is a friend of mine.

                1. Hunt was right to let the kid off. Of course that should apply to all, not just the kids of the rich or powerful.

                  Exactly but like selective enforcement of immigration laws its not fairly implemented. If you’re here illegally and not of Mexican descent or not one of Obama’s distant relatives, your butt its going to be deported.

                  I find it odd that if you’re here illegally and meet that criteria you can stay without any problems but if you’re legally born and raised here and happen to have a warrant for not paying your parking tickets they have no problem throwing you and jail and putting your kids in a foster home.

                  Both bush’s and obama’s detention and deportation policies when it comes to people being here illegally overwhelmingly favors Mexicans.

                  If you happen to be from Guatemala they have no problem deporting you and there is little or no media coverage of it.

  17. merijoe :
    Things Dick Jones said as he left the Council meeting on June 5th, for $1000

    FOPA, I don’t think the citizena want to employ you guys anymore, unlees you were able to rat out the sociopaths from the begining.

    1. Ya, pass the buck onto the next guy. Sounds like you’re window shopping. Jobs must grow on trees in your mind.

  18. Side note, has anyone seen in the news, the new laws that were past in Illinois regarding forced entries?

    1. “99.9% great cops and great work.”

      What about the murderers, pill-poppers, thieves, sexual predators, liars, and on and on…?

      1. In Fullerton only about 85% of the cops have not been indicted, arrested, charged with felonies, or fired for other misconduct in the last 2 to 3 years.

    2. I never drink, ever. Do you drink? If you do, I can see how a few sadist bad apples could slip by you and get on the force.

      1. It’s Okay, I don’t know it word for word either, but when I read it, it allways makes me proud to be an American.

      2. Just hope FOPA has the capacity of feeling the same pride in our Constitution, if and when he reads it. If men and women on the force don’t care? Then someone needs to take their badges away and find them some other line of work.

        1. That sense of entitlement in the union is counter efficient and damaging, and allows way too many sadist and sociopaths a comfortable place to roost.

        2. Not to be rude Ms. Heroes, but please start using the correct abbreviation FPOA, not FOPA.

          If we went by your abbreviation it would be the “Fullerton Officers Peace Association” – which would be an outright lie, after all, they aren’t peaceful at all!

          1. Far be it from me to correct the Grammer Police, But she may be referring to the “Fullerton Obese Porcine Association”, the little known millitant wing of the FPOA.

                1. WE don’t give a shit why you don’t like them. And I would guess they don’t give a shit either.

  19. OOOOOOOWEEEEEEEE This is GREAT!! Kent Dorfman in “Animal House”! Finally, those silent FPD cops now are faced with a city that may be having financial difficulty. A few chops here and there like San Jose and Vallejo and those fat pensions will be gone! All because everyone thought they were immune from prosecution no matter what dumb but deadly things they did!
    So those of you in FPD who really are quality workers now have to worry about your financial future due to supporting or lets say, ignoring the Kelly Thomas incident! Too bad, but thats life. You could have come forward, but nooooo you did NOT!

    1. Not for much longer. Either that or the premiums will skyrocket. Dumb pigs can’t hide from the actuary.

    1. I can understand a weekend but 3PM on a weekday?

      Occupy Riverside is pretty much non-existent. I can see 5-6 diehards and a few media people showing up if its for real but that’s it.

      And why Riverside?

      Something about this doesn’t smell right, Ron has stayed far from Occupy events and I can’t help but wonder if Ron is even aware of this event but we’ll see.

  20. Someone needs to find a cure for the 1000 yard stare. It’s sad to see good people join the force, only to go into shell shock, then turn their backs on society for a pension like Sellers.

  21. I believe it would be wise to keep the police station. Could Ron thomas be hired as a consultant in selecting a new chief?

  22. There is a staue of the greeter in Laguna beach, Fullerton needs one for Kelly Thomas, just to remind our Police who they really work for, do to our Constitution.

  23. When the yelling match between Diane Le’s schizophrenic brother and their father escalated into shoving, Le did what families of the mentally disabled are repeatedly advised to do.

    She called the police.

    Hours later, Khoa Anh Le was dead. Investigators said the 37-year-old had been beaten, choked and tasered by the El Monte police officers whom the family had called for help.

    “If I could go back in time, I wouldn’t call for help,” Diane Le told NBC4. “Because of my call, my brother is now gone.”

    Le died nearly a year after the high-profile death of Kelly Thomas, a schizophrenic man who died in July 2011 after being beaten by Fullerton police officers. The recent episodes have alarmed many in the mental health community.

    Ongoing Coverage: The Kelly Thomas Case

    Long worried that their loved ones would suffer at the hands of law enforcement officials who don’t understand mental illness, family members and advocates say they don’t know where to turn for help.

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    “I hear stories almost every week about families, and there’s always this tension that maybe the police can help me contain and control this… or maybe it will go the other way,” said Randall Hagar, director of government affairs for theCalifornia Psychiatric Association.

    Khoa Anh Le died June 14 after he was tasered and beaten with a flashlight by two El Monte police officers who claimed the man began resisting and assaulting them, investigators said in a statement released June 19.

    Similarly, 37-year-old Kelly Thomas died last year on July 10 — five days after he was beaten into a coma by several Fullerton police officers.

    The Los Angeles County Coroner has not yet ruled on the cause of Le’s death, and El Monte police officers have admitted to an “altercation.”

    Family members are typically counseled to turn to police for assistance if they think their mentally ill loved ones might pose a threat. But the deaths of Thomas and Le have led some to worry that their loved ones could be hurt or even killed by officers arriving at the scene, despite efforts by law enforcement to improve training in many departments.

    “There’s no question in my mind that families are certainly, if not cautious, then afraid to call the police,” said Brian Jacobs, government affairs chair for the National Alliance for Mental Illness (NAMI) in Orange County.

    Improving relations

    Last year, the LAPD launched a Mental Illness Program that sends psychiatric emergency response teams to respond to calls involving mentally disabled individuals. These teams, composed of LAPD officers and clinicians from the LA County Department of Mental Health, aim to minimize violent encounters between officers and the mentally ill, according to an LAPD news release from March 31, 2011.

    Those teams are now available at the LA Sheriff’s Department, LAPD and several — but not all — local police departments in LA County.

    Kathleen Piché, spokeswoman for the Department of Mental Health, said her agency does not have a direct partnership with police officials in El Monte, where Le was beaten by two officers.

    Hoang Huy Tu, Le’s family attorney, said there were no mental health clinicians present during the altercation between Le and El Monte police officials.

    Family members in cities without these specialized response teams expressed more concern with police intervention, and some said they would be more likely to call mental health workers or a clinic for help.

    “I’m a lot less trustworthy of the police,” said Carol Latta, a Lakewood resident whose 34-year-old son, Blake, has schizophrenia. “When they had their big NAMI (National Alliance for Mental Illness) walk in Santa Monica, I carried a big sign of Kelly Thomas that said ‘Education was the key.’ I’m very leery of police. I’d rather go to health care workers.”

    In areas that have special response teams, though, a majority of residents with mentally ill children said they would still reach out to the police for help.

    Jeanmarie Beard, a Long Beach resident whose 19-year-old son is mentally ill, said local law enforcement is “well trained” and “real responsive” to mental health issues, adding that her community frequently invites police officers to NAMI events and workshops.

    The Long Beach Police Department is one of a handful of local police departments in Los Angeles County with specialized response teams for people with mental illnesses. These teams made a total of 13,785 visits from 2010-2011, according to Piché.

    Fred Magenheimer, co-president of NAMI in Long Beach whose 44-year-old son has paranoid schizophrenia, also said the recent events have not made him less likely to call the police, though he acknowledged that they have increased his fear of “things getting out of control.”

    Cathy Williamson, of Long Beach, said her 32-year-old son has paranoid schizophrenia and anosognosia, a condition that prevents disabled persons from recognizing their disability.

    “I totally understand that [the police] don’t know what they’re coming up against or whether it’s drugs or mental health issues,” said Cathy Williamson. “But at the same time, I look at hostage situations and… they still take the time to de-escalate and try to talk the person down instead of jumping all over them.”

    “You know, shooting first and asking questions later,” she added.

    “Being a police officer”

    Five mental health advocacy experts interviewed by NBC4 attributed a majority of altercations between police officers and the mentally ill to a lack of proper training.

    Officers are typically taught to respond to situations through force and do not necessarily know how to handle a situation involving people with mental illnesses, experts said.

    “One of the things that a police officer really can’t avoid is being a police officer,” said Rusty Selix, executive director for the California Council of Community Mental Health Agencies. “And police officers look like authority figures, not the kind of person that a schizophrenic person is likely to trust.”

    Officers are trained to increase the level of force when someone is noncompliant, a response that can increase the paranoia of the mentally ill and lead to a “bad result,” Selix said.

    Selix and Hagar both said the recent economic downturn has cut funding for local mental health budgets, forcing more mentally ill patients out on the streets and increasing the likelihood of an altercation with a police officer.

    In addition, law enforcement officers are typically the first responders to emergency calls, raising the risk of a confrontation as “both parties misread each other,” said Jim Price, office manager for theMental Health Advocacy Services.

    In the cases of Thomas and Le, both of whom had schizophrenia, experts said the victims’ illnesses made it harder for them to process information when police arrived.

    “They’re paranoid. They might be afraid that the officer is out to get them,” Hagar said. “So where officers make the mistake is in assuming willful disobedience in the part of somebody [with a mental illness] and then ratcheting up their force.”

    Looking ahead

    All family members and mental health experts interviewed said they recognized that there is room for police relations with the mentally ill to improve.

    Jacobs said he thinks mental illness is not prioritized highly enough in the health system, and Latta said she thinks police officers should engage more with local mental health organizations.

    Le’s family attorney, Tu, called for a change in the system.

    “They’ve got to have a way that they can effectively deal with the mentally ill,” he said. “Otherwise, these episodes will happen again and again.”

    Still, others said they think change will come gradually and that improvements have already been made since Thomas’ death.

    Ron Thomas, Kelly Thomas’ father, said he has noticed that since his son’s death, more people have come forward to demand accountability among police officers and city council members.

    “A lot has been learned from the death of my son,” he said, citing public outcry to Kelly Thomas’ death and the June recall of three Fullerton city council members as examples. “This is all changing now.”

    1. Kelly wasn’t doing a damn thing when they beat him to death.

      He wasn’t armed, incoherent, belligerent or even “acting crazy”, IMO Kelly’s death had nothing do with the schizophrenia but had everything to do with how Police officers around the country continue to treat the public as their subjects.

      “You sass me, I’m going to kill you”

      “you look at me the wrong way, I’m going to say you spit on me then beat you”

      “you look attractive, I’m going to grope or even rape you”

      “young minority shot in a poor neighborhood and unable to speak because you’re choking on your own blood? I’m going to write in my report that you were an uncooperative gang member who was not forthcoming about who shot you”.

      If you think things are bad now just wait until most police departments are filled with ex-military with untreated PTSD and other mental illnesses or brain injuries.

      1. Wait until the private contractors step in merged with the military. We need to turn this thing around like yesterday. Fools just looking to get out with their pension, they will never see it. They know what is going on, what is coming and what needs to be done but they still look no further than the tip of their nose. To whom much is given much is required. It is never too late to do the right thing.

  24. Interesting does not realize that in Fullerton, they pay no premiums for insurance against overzealous cops. Fullerton is a self insured city. No insurance company will write coverage for a city like Bell, Fullerton, Cudahy, that have major problems and do not allow the insurance company to do an investigation of the police force in advance of issuing the policy.
    City Manager Felz has perpetuated this travesty. He has allowed the city to go uninsured, thus allowing the few bad apples at FPD to hold the city hostage to large payments for settlement of civil suits.

  25. Former Sheriff Richard Mack supported the constitutional minded Hunt. Hunt is strong on second amendment rights and also illegal immigration. He was attacked for these two stances by the mainstream media.

    When the media and establishment start speaking against a candidate he or she is most likely the best person for the job.

    1. Yes the phony left right paradigm that the “5 corporation controlled spin doctor mind control bull shit” media jams down our throats will destroy anyone that dares to stand for what the founding fathers left us. Pill popping pot bellied pedophiles behind so many scenes.

  26. Is it true that FPOA’s hired politicians (Jones, McKinley, and Bankhead) are getting fired this Thursday morning?

  27. Fullerton Police Officers’ Association
    P.O. Box 6791
    Fullerton, CA 92834-6791

    Fullerton Police Officers’ Association
    Making positive change for a better future!

    We accept electronic payments by credit card through a secured server online. Click here to make a donation.

    Dear Friend and Neighbor,

    Once again, I am proud to take this opportunity, as President of the Fullerton Police Officers’ Association, to extend my most sincere gratitude for your generous support. These have been difficult times for all walks of our community, so we understand how valuable your donation today is to our group. It is with great pride and appreciation I am including with this letter, your 2012 Fullerton Police Officers’ Association decal. As a donor, you are among the few to receive this decal and we are very proud when we see them displayed.

    If you receive telephonic solicitations from any organization representing law enforcement, it is not from nor supported by the Fullerton Police Officers’ Association.

    Your contribution to us today will help provide outreach and strengthen relations by and between the Fullerton Police Officers’ Association and numerous local worthy groups. Just as our Country is facing extreme challenges, so does our community. We have worked very hard to develop a good name and outreach program. By donating to us today, you assimilate with that good name and join us in supporting the Fullerton Police Officers’ Association and these worthwhile causes.

    Sincerely yours,

    Det. Barry Coffman, President
    Fullerton Police Officers’ Association

    P.S. As always, donors who pledge $250 or more will receive a complimentary FPOA Custom Plaque and Lapel Pin. Donors who pledge $100 or more will receive a Lapel Pin only. Any questions or concerns, please call 714-930-9438.

    This gift may not be considered tax-deductible as a charitable contribution for Federal Income Tax purposes; however, you should consult your tax professional about its use as an alternate category of deduction.

  28. Fullerton Police Officers’ Association
    P.O. Box 6791
    Fullerton, CA 92834-6791

    Fullerton Police Officers’ Association
    Making positive change for a better future!

    We accept electronic payments by credit card through a secured server online. Click here to make a donation.

    Dear Friend and Neighbor,

    Once again, I am proud to take this opportunity, as President of the Fullerton Police Officers’ Association, to extend my most sincere gratitude for your generous support. These have been difficult times for all walks of our community, so we understand how valuable your donation today is to our group. It is with great pride and appreciation I am including with this letter, your 2012 Fullerton Police Officers’ Association decal. As a donor, you are among the few to receive this decal and we are very proud when we see them displayed.

    If you receive telephonic solicitations from any organization representing law enforcement, it is not from nor supported by the Fullerton Police Officers’ Association.

    Your contribution to us today will help provide outreach and strengthen relations by and between the Fullerton Police Officers’ Association and numerous local worthy groups. Just as our Country is facing extreme challenges, so does our community. We have worked very hard to develop a good name and outreach program. By donating to us today, you assimilate with that good name and join us in supporting the Fullerton Police Officers’ Association and these worthwhile causes.

    Sincerely yours,

    Det. Barry Coffman, President
    Fullerton Police Officers’ Association

    P.S. As always, donors who pledge $250 or more will receive a complimentary FPOA Custom Plaque and Lapel Pin. Donors who pledge $100 or more will receive a Lapel Pin only. Any questions or concerns, please call 714-930-9438.

    This gift may not be considered tax-deductible as a charitable contribution for Federal Income Tax purposes; however, you should consult your tax professional about its use as an alternate category of deduction.

      1. Fullerton Pork Officers’ Association
        P.O. Box 6791
        Fullerton, CA 92834-6791
        Fullerton Pork Officers’ Association

        Making apple turnovers for a better breakfast!

        We accept nachos, quesadillas, burritos, enchiladas, tortas, tostadas, and lard by credit card through a secured server online. Click here to make an empanada.

        Dear Friend and Neighbor,

        Once again, I am proud to take this opportunity, as President of the Fullerton Pork Officers’ Association, to gluttonously devour an entire side of beef. These have been difficult digestive times for all walks of our community, so we understand how valuable your cheesecake today is to our colons. It is with great pride and extra gravy I am including with this letter, your 2012 Fullerton Pork Officers’ Association cheeseburger. As a donor, you are among the few to receive this burger and we are very proud when we see them displayed.

        If you receive gustatory solicitations or “Canadian” bacon from any organisms representing law enforcement, it is not from nor supported by the Fullerton Pork Officers’ Association.

        Your contribution to us today will help provide strudel and strengthen relations by and between the Fullerton Pork Officers’ Association and numerous barrels of hydrogenated vegetable oil. Just as our Country is facing extreme challenges, so does our community. We have worked very hard to develop a glazed ham outreach program. By donating to us today, you assimilate with that good name and join us in supporting the Fullerton Pork Eater’s Association and these worthwhile causes.

        Fingerlickingly yours,

        Det. Barry Coffman, President
        Fullerton Pork Lovers Association

        P.S. As always, donors who pledge $250 or more will receive a complimentary FPOA Custom Snack Cake and Pretzel. Donors who pledge $100 or more will receive a stewed oxtail only. Any questions or indigestion, please call 714-930-9438.

  29. Hunt would be a fine choice to run Fullerton PD. He was well liked and respected by citizens, city council and officers under his command while Chief of San Clemente. Hunt’s detractors were members of the establishment country club who feared Hunt would not kowtow to them. Hunt would turn FPD into one off the finest agencies in the county in a matter of months. He’s a firm believer in constitutional rights. Because of this, push back by the old school establishment is to be expected.

    1. Hunt is just good at manipulating people like you. He throws you some rhetorical bones about CCWs and “Oath Keepers” and you go weak in the knees and forget he’s an opportunist union candidate.

      1. As I said before, you are entitled to your opinions. I just happen to be a fan of the Constitution and the Second Amendment. (Throw in the First Amendment in there too)

  30. HUNT??

    I remember being a Bill Hunt fan in ’06 when he was the underdog against corrupt Carona … but by ’10 he’d become jumped on that year’s Republican immigrant-bashing wave and had Joe Arpaio, the MOST RACIST, BRUTAL AND CORRUPT SHERIFF IN THE US, come over to the OC for NOT ONE BUT TWO fundraisers.

    Please, Peabody, indulge me and read my bit of doggerel from that year:

    http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2010/04/arpaios-comin-to-town-doggere/

        1. “I wonder if I should copy/paste my whole poem here. It was fun”………… Hmmmmm

          Do it!

          That will show what a moron, mongoloid you are promoting you politically incoherent “Gulash” of racist pictures.

    1. “and had Joe Arpaio, the MOST RACIST, BRUTAL AND CORRUPT SHERIFF IN THE US, come over to the OC for NOT ONE BUT TWO fundraisers”……….. Hmmmm

      As I recall Gröfaz, your left-liberal-progressive crapola uproar was about the SB 1070: It requires an officer to make a reasonable attempt to determine the immigration status of a person stopped, detained or arrested if there’s reasonable suspicion that person is in the country illegally.

      That part was unanimously upheld by the supreme court.

      It clearly shows that you have same intelligence as that monkey in the white house who continues his fight against the supreme court, constitution and the Americanism.

      By the way there is a commenter named “Ed Gonzalo” in your link, read it!

          1. Arpaio – just look at him and you know you are looking at every government agent of repression since time immemorial personified in one sad, angry little pathetic joke of a man – with too much power, a lust for the spotlight, fake moral indignation beyond imagination, and sadism bolstered by the confidence of a drunk redneck. That’s your boy,.

                1. “Maybe if you read a newspaper”……… Hmmmmm

                  Any suggestion which one?

                  My ESL does not allow me to reed highly progressive LA Pravda, NY Pravda, Washington Izvestia and OC Izvestia etc.etc.etc. since Joseph Raymond “Joe” McCarthy stopped editing them.

      1. Apparently you don’t understand the issue. It’s called HUMAN RIGHTS. HUMAN RIGHTS ARE MANDATORY AND INCLUSIVE,HUMAN RIGHTS ARE UNIVERSAL AND HUMAN RIGHTS SUPERSEDE AND TAKE PRIORITY OVER CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.Let me explain it to you.While there are almost 7 billion people in the world,not all of them have constitutional rights but every single person has HUMAN RIGHTS.

    2. That’s disturbing.

      Actually, that’s very disturbing.

      I can’t think of many LEOs I have less respect for then “Sheriff Joe.”

      Hunt – if you want this job you better figure out a disclaimer for any association you have with that racist moron Arpaio.

      1. Oh, and then .. and then…

        Next time we saw Bill’s face, looking dark and bitter, he was Arpaio’s bodyguard on the bastard’s next OC visit.

        JT, should I post up my poem here?

        1. I read it, and I’m no poet or critic, but I’d still have to say no on the poem. No offense!

          I need to do some research on Hunt. But Arpaio is a total scumbag attention-seeking media whore and as morally repugnant a politician (or for that matter human being) as I can think of. I could go on at length but what’s the point. Just google the asshole.. How associated is this guy with that POS?

  31. Bill Hunt for Fullerton Police Chief? Is this a joke? Or just more proof that Bushala and the rest of FFFFers are jokes?

    Bushala and the FFFF crew say they support transparency and accountability. They denounce police covering up for each other. They denounce government employee union influence, and politicians under their influence.

    And then they tout Bill Hunt for police chief?

    Maybe Bushala doesn’t mind Hunt giving Greg Haidl a pass on the mary jane bust because he’s a pothead, too.

    But Hunt was a Carona supporter all through the Jaramillo/Haidl era. He sucked up to Carona, hoping he’d be tapped to be Carona’s successor. He only turned against Carona after Carona decided to run for a third term.

    Hunt was the deputies’ union candidate for sheriff in 2006 and 2010. His campaign was completely dependent on the union. Interesting how that doesn’t bother any of the FFFFers, especially when they are also pushing to have the OCSD take over police services in Fullerton.

    How about a little consistency around here?

    Oh, and there’s the matter of Tony Bushala hiring Bill Hunt in 2010 to investigate Harry Sidhu during his supervisor campaign. Interesting how no one here on the transparency and accountability blog thinks to informs readers about that, since they want Bushala’s councilmembers to hire Bushala’s former contractor to be police chief. That would e very convenient for Bushala.

    Funny how the FFFFers never disclose information like this.

          1. Um, Grammar Police? Kirby is making up words to make himself look smarter than he is. But it is backfiring horribly.

            1. They know this is a virtually impossible case to defend which is why they’re stalling to get much money out of the Ramos and Cicinelli families before this heads to trial.

              The defense has two major things going against them. 1. Over a dozen eyewitnesses from the bus depot 2. Video evidence to back up what happened.

              No matter how much they try to spin it, its a bad case. I personally hope they bankrupt the Ramos and Cicinelli family and anyone else funding their defense.

              1. Come on.

                The families aren’t paying a penny. They actually got over $250,000 in donations for personal expenses through PORAC.

                There aren’t any first hand witnesses to the fight. Just a bunch of bodies flopping around. That’s because they didn’t release the video. Smartest move ever.

                Their defense will cost more than $2 million dollars. It’s unlimited funds from the legal defense fund.

                So nice try stinky.

                1. The families aren’t paying a penny. They actually got over $250,000 in donations for personal expenses through PORAC.

                  Even better. I hope the lawyers completely drain the account (and they will).

                  There aren’t any first hand witnesses to the fight.

                  You obviously haven’t seen the OCTA video taken of witnesses or maybe you’re willfully ignoring it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYJi3lgXLBU

                  Their defense will cost more than $2 million dollars.

                  It gets even better for Barnett & Schwartz

                  It’s unlimited funds from the legal defense fund.

                  Nothing is “unlimited”.

              2. PORAC, is paying for ALL the defense for the two officers. So your wishes of bankrupt for the families, IS NOT happening. NEXT!!

            1. *sniff* *sniff* I smell desperation coming from our news poster. Is he going to copy and post every variation of this non-story?

              What is the point?

              ” Ramos talks with another homeless man and asks how he’s doing” …this is their “bombshell”.

              1. “Durrrr! I’ll just keep posting headlines hoping that no one reads the actual articles. Maybe people will totally ignore what they actually saw in the video and begin looking at the case in a whole new light”

    1. Barnett asked for continuance to review the audio recording, which he claimed “shows what kind of policeman Officer Ramos is … It shows he had a good relationship with the homeless. They knew him and he knew them. He was very kind.”

      He said at one point on the audio recording, Ramos talks with another homeless man and asks how he’s doing, and that the second homeless man – who was indentified as Dave in the surveillance video – responds by telling Thomas that Ramos “is a good officer.”

      To quote Spunky: “ARE YOU KIDDING ME?”

  32. Hmmm, letting your officers slide on pot charges or trying to slide a murder under the table and then retiring to avoid having to incriminate your officers??? Let’s see, I think I’ll take the chief who looks the other way with the doobies and does something about the murder. Plus it’s already a proven fact FPD officers drink on duty. Hate to break it to you, but alcohol is much more dangerous than pot. I wonder why current FPD leadership does nothing to stop drinking on the job.

    1. Absolutely- A couple of months ago I watched the clowncil members who flooded Fullerton with liquor peddlers flanked by a MADD spokeperson and the black uniforms as they awarded the DUI arrest kings and queens with their respective trophies. Alcohol is not dangerous it is deadly. The hipocrisy is alarming. I cannot get my arms around MADD being ok with 50 bars downtown, and accepting accolades from the trashbags that signed off on them and foisted them on the residents, and the police acting like public servants shooting ducks in a barrel. That meeting was a classing example of the mentally and spiritually challenged’s attempts at justifying their existence. Maybe they are all alcoholics and that is their problem. Maybe we need Wiley Drake to run the police department. He has a very strong position on murder and alcohol. The FPD most certainly needs the fear of God put back in them as they most certainly still don’t have it now.

  33. Hmmm, letting your officers slide on pot charges or trying to slide a murder under the table and then retiring to avoid having to incriminate your officers??? Let’s see, I think I’ll take the chief who looks the other way with the doobies and does something about the murder. Plus it’s already a proven fact FPD officers drink on duty. Hate to break it to you, but alcohol is much more dangerous than pot. I wonder why current FPD leadership does nothing to stop drinking on the job.

    1. A new contract. Promotions of people you wanted fired. No one listening to your stupid whining. You noticing a pattern? No one cares what you say.

  34. Anyone else having problems with their comments not posting at the bottom of the posts? Mine keep getting posted 10 or 15 comments earlier.

      1. I’m not Omaley but come on poon. This is huge. Now the call was legit and shows how mellow it all was to start. Good PC now top to bottom with admission. Kills the slide lawsuit too. This is huge. Open your eyes poony.

          1. I listened to the audio tape in it’s entirety, and I have to agree with the Fullerton Harpoon.

            All I heard was Ramos stating to Kelly that he received a report of someone checking car door handles and repeatedly ask Kelly if it was him?

            Although Kelly keeps saying that he doesn’t know what Ramos is talking about, about half way through the audio tape, Kelly flat out says “no” to Ramos’s inquiry of checking door handles, Ramos chooses to ignore him. I also noticed that although Ramos says in the tape that he’s tired of doing this with Kelly on an everyday basis, Ramos claims a minute later that because Kelly has no ID, that he’s going to have to sit in jail for 30 days until the DA figures out that the charges are bogus. Then Ramos says that Kelly being incarcerated for 30 days in the meantime is “No skin off my nose” .

        1. This analysis from the same Patrick O’Malley who said that no cops would ever be charged, the recall would never gather enough signatures, the case would never make it past a preliminary hearing and that the recall would fail.

          What an idiot.

          1. The one Ronald was about to do against the SlideBar. Whoops.

            Murder would never hold before and won’t for sure now. Sold.

            I wish I was Omaley.

            I said two would be charged. I said recall would fail. Not enough voters came out. I thought a November recall would fail. Congrats. Tony for Chief.

            I’ll wager on the murder charge anytime. I also said both Chiefs would retire and that Hughes would pension retire in another year. I said all the people involved would be promoted. Sold. More to come.

            I’m smart. Just like Kelly’s admission. Huge. Trial will be even more exciting now. Can’t wait.

            1. I guess the penalty for pulling door handles is death by asphyxiation, bludgeoning and electrocution. Myopically satanic individuals. Ephesians 6 would be a good read.

            2. Oh, I forgot a few more O’Malley barfs:

              “the video will never be released.”

              “Kelly died of a heart attack due to past drug use.”

              “Kelly was guilty of trying to assault the cops.”

              “You will never be in charge of anything.”

              1. You think he is Bankhead, Ellis, Omaley, Sellers, Goodrich and all the others. Which is it?

                As Snoop says “murder is the BS rap they gave me”

                As Tuco says, murder will never hold and will ruin the case.

                1. Dumber :
                  You think he is Bankhead, Ellis, Omaley, Sellers, Goodrich and all the others. Which is it?

                  It’s Captain George Crum.

  35. You don’t get it. The families and cops are paying nothin for their defense. $0.

    The ones that say I heard this and it looked like this? Yea. That’s why they weren’t used at trial. Worthless.

    Yes Barnett and Schwartz make big bucks.

    The account has $100 million in it. $5 million is nothing.

    Sweet Science :

    The families aren’t paying a penny. They actually got over $250,000 in donations for personal expenses through PORAC.

    Even better. I hope the lawyers completely drain the account (and they will).

    There aren’t any first hand witnesses to the fight.

    You obviously haven’t seen the OCTA video taken of witnesses or maybe you’re willfully ignoring it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYJi3lgXLBU

    Their defense will cost more than $2 million dollars.

    It gets even better for Barnett & Schwartz

    It’s unlimited funds from the legal defense fund.

    Nothing is “unlimited”.

    1. The families and cops are paying nothin for their defense. $0.

      Like I said I hope Barnett & Schwartz spares no expense and totally drain the funds (and they will).

      Yes Barnett and Schwartz make big bucks.

      Yes, thanks for stating the obvious.

      The account has $100 million in it. $5 million is nothing.

      Of course that is before salaries, outreach, organization, defending other officers, etc. $5 million is a lot defending these two considering the overwhelming evidence and yes witnesses.

      And finally…

      There aren’t any first hand witnesses to the fight.

      You obviously haven’t seen the OCTA video taken of witnesses or maybe you’re willfully ignoring it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYJi3lgXLBU

      1. The witnesses from the bus depot. Is that all that T-Rack has. What a joke. He is going to be the butt of jokes, just like RT.

    2. The account has $100 million in it. $5 million is nothing.

      Where did you get that $100 million dollar number from?

      From PORAC:

      http://porac.org/legal-defense-fund/2012/legal-defense-fund-of-porac-summary-annual-report-2/

      The net assets available for benefits of the Fund at the end of the year totaled $6,653,289 compared to $7,403,626 at the beginning of the year. During the year, the Trust experienced a decrease in net assets available for benefits of $750,337. This charge includes participants’ contributions and unrealized appreciation in the value of plan assets; that is, the difference between the value of plan assets at the end of the year and the value of assets at the beginning of the year or the cost of assets acquired during the year.

      The Fund had benefit obligations of $15,344,810 at the end of the year, and $14,727,197 at the beginning of the year. The benefit obligation at the end of the year is composed of $944,810 for claims currently payable, and $14,400,000 as the estimated cost for future services to be rendered to participants resulting from events that occurred prior to year-end, and are expected to be funded by future participant contributions and investment income.

      The Fund’s income totaled $15,653,017 for the plan year of which contributions from participants were $14,976,339 and investment income was $676,678. The Fund’s expenses were $1,886,757 for administrative expenses and $15,134,210 for benefits paid and incurred on behalf of participants.

  36. I am having the same problem with my posts anonymous. I tried switching browsers and I guess that’s why it posted my comment under anonymous. J.D. I use my real name on here unlike you. And the cops drinking on duty may be hearsay, but other crimes FPD officers have committed are well documented.

  37. .1 is likely the percentage of crimes committed by cops that get reported/charged. Not surprising considering their chiefs, DA’s, and council-members generally do everything in their power to avoid charging an officer with any crime. I’m sure the actual percentages, especially in Fullerton, are much, much higher. Hell, just based on current lawsuits against the FPD there’s about 10-15% being charged with something.

  38. Where is the new post apologizing to Jeremy and the SlideBar manager? Now that we know Kelly was pulling on door handles and acting suspicious. Legit call of concern. Legal call. Legal contact. All made up shit by this blog against SlideBar. Jeremy should sue Tony til he goes broke lol.

        1. SlideBar Lit :
          Kelly admits it on the newly released audio.

          Not even close, in fact Kelly repeatedly said “I don’t know what you’re talking about” when Ramos asked if he was trying door handles. He also said “i’m not getting into cars or anything like that” and “I’m not looking into any cars, so whats the problem?”.

          http://bcove.me/7gq1ejjt

          But humor me, if you’re not completely making that up I’d like to see you post proof but I’m guessing you’re going to try and change subject or totally abandon the discussion.

        2. Holy crap. I have been away from this blog for awhile now and it appears the local LE thinks it’s OK to snuff a homeless guy for allegedly pulling on a door handle! OMG. That Department needs an immediate top to bottom clean out. Hunt is the guy to do it.

            1. Are you a troll or something? Mildly amusing to me because I haven’t been around here lately but possibly annoying to those who have.

                1. I’m here 24 hours a day 7 days a week to assist you. Most if the time I’m on the WiFi at the SlideBar if you ever want to have beer and some Mac n Cheese.

              1. Well you came back oPublished: June 26, 2012 Updated: 7:57 p.m.
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                Kelly Thomas case: Defense says audiotape sheds light on confrontation
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                The arraignment of Fullerton Police Cpl. Jay Patrick Cicinelli, 40, left, and Fullerton Police Officer Manuel Anthony Ramos, 38, was postponed until July 13 in Santa Ana on Tuesday. Ramos faces charges of second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter and Cicinelli faces charges of involuntary manslaughter and excessive force under color of authority.
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                By LARRY WELBORN and PETER LARSON / THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

                SANTA ANA – The arraignment for two Fullerton police officers charged with homicide in the death of a homeless man last summer was delayed Tuesday for two weeks after a defense attorney contended he had reviewed a newly identified audio recording that put the encounter “in a completely different light.”
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                Defense attorney John Barnett told reporters that the digital audio recording captures his client, Officer Manuel Ramos, talking in a low-key manner with Kelly Thomas moments before the encounter escalated.
                Barnett said in the recording Ramos tells Thomas, 37, “we don’t want to take you to jail, just tell us your name,” but that Thomas does not comply and instead directs profanity at the officers.
                “This is the run-up, the prelude” to escalating tension that resulted in Thomas being taken to the ground by several Fullerton police officers, where he was beaten and choked, sustaining injuries that left to his death, Barnett said.
                Barnett contends the newly reviewed audio recording shows that Ramos was a good policeman “who got along with the homeless and they got along with him” and that Ramos did not have a vendetta toward the homeless.
                But Senior Assistant District Attorney Jim Tanizaki disputed that the recording is significant.
                “The recording, which we don’t think is a game changer at all, is a recording of the beginning of contact between Officer Ramos and Kelly Thomas,” Tanizaki told reporters. He said it captures only the first three to four minutes of conversation before the encounter became violent.
                “When the evidence all comes out, I don’t think it’s going to change anyone’s opinions about what happened,” Tanizaki said.
                The digital audio recording was turned over to defense attorneys along with an estimated 6,000 other recordings in April. But Fullerton police did not realize its significance until earlier this month, Tanizaki said. The police authorities then notified prosecutors, who relayed the information to defense attorneys.
                “There was no intentional act to keep out materials.” Tanizaki said. “All of the materials were technically available in April, but they were part of such a large grouping of the 6,000.”
                He said Fullerton police had a policy stretching back to 2008 requiring officers to record all contact made with civilians while they were on duty.
                “There’s nothing there,” said Ron Thomas, Kelly Thomas’ father. “They’re talking together and like the D.A. said it escalated later on, on the part of Ramos.”
                Barnett said the audio recording was not included in the 33-minute surveillance video of the incident that prosecutors played during a preliminary hearing last month.
                Ramos, 38, is the first uniformed officer in Orange County to be charged with murder for an incident that occurred on duty. He is charged with second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter in the July 10 death of Thomas outside the Fullerton Transportation Center.
                Fullerton Cpl. Jay Cicinelli, 40, who jumped into the fray after a report of an officer needing help, is charged with involuntary manslaughter, and excessive force for using his Taser gun first to stun Thomas and then to hit him several times in the face. Both men pleaded not guilty at their first arraignment last year.
                Click here to watch the 8 minute edited version of the Kelly Thomas confrontation video.
                They appeared before Superior Court Judge Craig Robison Wednesday for a second arraignment after Judge Walter Schwarm ruled last month that there is sufficient evidence to put them on trial. Prosecutors expected the two defendants would again enter not guilty pleas and the case would be assigned to a trial court.
                But Barnett asked for continuance to review the audio recording, which he claimed “shows what kind of policeman Officer Ramos is … It shows he had a good relationship with the homeless. They knew him and he knew them. He was very kind.”
                He said at one point on the audio recording, Ramos talks with another homeless man and asks how he’s doing, and that the second homeless man – who was indentified as Dave in the surveillance video – responds by telling Thomas that Ramos “is a good officer.”
                Contact the writer: [email protected] or 714-834-3784
                Video: Ron Thomas on new tape:

                n a great day, look at this

          1. How come William Sadowski was safely taken into custody after he ran over and decapitated an LAX Police Officer but Kelly Thomas was beaten and suffocated to death?

            How come Earl Ellis Green was safely taken into custody after shooting a Riverside Police Officer twice in the head but Kelly Thomas was beaten and suffocated to death?

            What did Kelly Thomas do so bad to deserve such a violent & vicious end?

            Maybe Reality Is, Greg Diamond, Lisa, John Doe or TimeWillTell will chime in.

            1. Because they were not dealing with a jerk, idiot like Kelly. He didn’t want to go jail, so he fought. But he lost.

            2. Cicinelli showed up on the scene, that’s what happened. Had he not, Kelly would be alive today (and most people here would be ignoring him.) Kelly didn’t deserve it, despite this new evidence, but as I predicted it will help Ramos avoid a conviction.

                1. Generally, yes. But there’s little argument that Ramos had committed a felony prior to the death of Kelly Thomas. Folks here have apparently just never seen a roust before or dealt with cops who are being crossed. Cops are paid to control situations; that of itself is not a felony.

                2. The criminal and civil law is totally different ball of wax, “For the record”.

                  So do not ask Golem about the law for which he is not trained for. The labor lawyer has no clue about the criminal law.

                  It is like asking dentist about the genital herpes.

                1. The evidence that Ramos’s lawyer is saying he has, enhanced audio showing Ramos talking nicely to Kelly, etc. It was in the news.

        3. I listened to the audio tape in it’s entirety and about half way through heard Kelly flat out say no to Ramos’s question, although Ramos ignored the answer Kelly gave him.

          1. Yesterday J&K broke down the audio in segments and Kelly says yes to checking door handles. J&K changed their tune on the whole ase after hearing the audio. Didn’t say the murder was ok but said now they have a different opinion of the contact and call and things leading up to Kelly fleeing.

            1. I heard the J & K show in entirety yesterday, and no, they didn’t say or do anything you post above-liar OMalley.

              And Kelly didn’t flee, but you are a flea and resident fibber.

              I was also at the prelim that you claimed you were at and no, you were there. RI, I mean OMalley

              1. Then you should know I’m not Omaley. Obvious.

                You are lying. If you heard J&K then you aren’t happy with them at all. They spit in your face.

                Kelly fled. Open your eyes. If that wasn’t fleeing then you are dumber than you look. At least admit he fled and then say he fled to avoid a beating LOL

                Care to wager on anything? Im always down to bet for your money. It’s easy to get you to blow your wad buddy.

  39. Thanks for the offer sweet, but I don’t live in Fullerton, and would not patronize the Slide Bar if I did.

  40. John Homes Hunt :
    I’m here 24 hours a day 7 days a week to assist you. Most if the time I’m on the WiFi at the SlideBar if you ever want to have beer and some Mac n Cheese.

    Sorry man. Mac n cheese with a strange dude is not on my bucket list. Try Greg Diamond. He seems friendly.

  41. What did I tell all you suckers!! More to come..And the day is here. It was killing me. Now the truth is out about sweet Kelly. Ron Thomas pack it up and get the hell out of dodge.

          1. At least I have them. I am not mistaken, just like I was not mistaken when I said. There is more coming…So listen when John Doe talks mensa.

      1. @peaches More to be revealed about your media-whore Ron Thomas. Let’s see what you think of him when that happens. Can’t wait.

    1. LOL JD. He’s prolly cleaning up the piss and shit from the bushes around the bus stop. Go arrest him.

  42. Well with that comment it’s obvious JD is a girl. More evidence supporting Chris’s claim that Mrs. Doe is a Cicinelli.

  43. This post topic is starting to disintegrate from a rational set of posts. Some altogether wrong info is being disseminated. The topic of insurance premiums was raised, that they would be “shooting up”, (pun intended)! However, Fullerton is a self insured city. No insurance company wants their business. When folks (residents and voters) see that happening, it means you have a serious problem. Insurance companies want to send their investigator around to see what lurks before providing insurance. Cities with much to hide, look for other avenues including self insurance. They then try to purchase some kind of catastrophic insurance if they can. Another method is to declare bankruptcy similar to Stockton. This allows everyone to be stiffed in settlements including the police department pay, pensions and overtime.
    In short, there is no “insurance” in Fullerton. Thank Pat McPension when you see him!

  44. Wow, the FPD is too cheap to pay for two attorneys for the murderers. It’s funny how all the murder apologists are acting like this announcement changes anything. “Thomas was a bit of a jerk to the officer, but Officer Ramos was a bit cavalier.” This coming from the D.A. who has never brought charges against a single officer. The funniest part of the otherwise disturbing video is Cicinelli trying to convince the medics/cops that Thomas had been fighting. Come on Jay, we know you don’t get paid to think, but is that really the best acting job you could do?

    1. Brandon? They have two of the best attorneys around. Schwartz and Barnett. So which case are you talking about? Yes we know the other details. Today was blast 1. The Ramos DAR they forgot to bring up at the prelim. Really? That’s hilarious. All a big game for the DA. Politics.

      1. They forgot it because they just found it. So if you want to believe that sack of shit DA go ahead. Three points for Fullerton Police who were digging for something else and accidently heard the new evidence that was overlooked before. Yahooooo!

      2. The defense didn’t forget to bring it up at the Prelim they never had it.
        Internal Affairs discovered it and brought it to light about two weeks ago. Now the DA is trying to downplay it and spin it in their favor. Hopefully people will start thinking for themselves.
        There is a tide………

      3. They have two of the best attorneys around. Schwartz and Barnett.

        This is a jury trial not a popularity contest. They have to convince to the jury that what they see and hear on tape …is not what they see and hear.

        If they skirt around this and choose to dedicate most of their time defending the characters and not actions of their defendants, they will lose without a doubt.

        If I were a juror I want to hear “what” and “why” not “he’s a friendly guy”.

  45. Oh, my bad. I thought the article said the attorney for Ramos and Cicinelli. Wow, between covering their legal expenses and settling civil cases I wonder how much taxpayers money the FPD is squandering because they refuse to hold their officers accountable.

    1. Did you just get in this blog, or are you stupid. It has been said time and time again the defense is being paid by PORAC. Legal defense fund that officers pay into with their own money. So shut the fuck up.

  46. Hey did you FPD folks hear Attorney Michael Schwartz left his long time law firm of Silver,Hadden&Silver in the last couple weeks?

    Seems he did not like working for a corrupt law firm that supports corrupt POLICE MANAGEMENT.

    1. LOL get your facts straight. Yes he left but the problem is he went to the most corrupt law firm there is for police. His new firm does nothing but bilk cities for everything they can and sue for everything just to get free settlemt money. His new firm uses Pobar for corruption and gets cops their jobs back when they should be fired. Look up the firm. Read their page. Lackie, Dammier, & McGill. The worst.

      1. Whatever works, they are after all attorneys. I heard he was really underpaid at the last firm. Wasn’t even a partner, just an associate. I would leave too.

      2. Guess Jay should fire Schwartz then.

        Well I guess that makes LDM slicker than you think since the cities are not smart enough to stop the corruption from that firm.

        Still does not say much for your comments.

        So the lol should be directed at you.

        Besides your admitting that police agency’s hire this firm because they are corrupt then? Right?

        How does a corrupt law firm beat competant management decisions?

        Who is inept?

  47. Hunt for Fullerton Police Chief, What’s next Chris Thompson for city manager, god knows he needs a job.

  48. Unlike in your world where your husband tells you to shut the fuck up and you obey to avoid a beating, I will say what I want. Yeah, I’m sure the cops have put tens of millions of their own dollars into POBAR. I know they are highly overpaid, considering most have little or no advanced education, but they don’t make enough to cover all the money these dirty lawyers are going to bilk them for. That’s why one of you little obedient pig-wives has to result to begging online. While the police banding together to try and keep the murderers out of prison may delay the inevitable for awhile, it is also creating a stronger dislike for the department as a whole. It won’t be long until the FPD either experiences major overhauls or is disbanded all together. All thanks to your brother/husband not being able to contain his psychotic rage. Poor guy is going to have a tough time in prison.

  49. Research shows swearing correlates with lack of intelligence and education. Guess that puts you at about an 87 with a GED JD.

  50. MATER, VINCENT THOMAS At the time of the crime, Mater was a police officer with FPD. At approximately 9:45 p.m. on April 14, 2011, Mater is accused of conducting a DUI investigation after making a traffic stop of a vehicle being driven without its lights on in the dark. The defendant was in uniform and driving a marked FPD patrol car. Mater is accused arresting the driver, Dean Gochenour, upon determining that Gochenour was under the influence of alcohol. Mater is accused of transporting Gochenour in in his patrol car to the Fullerton City Jail (FCJ) and turning him over to FPD jailers to be booked upon arrival. Throughout the duration of his contact with Gochenour, Mater is accused of wearing an FPD-issued Digital Audio Recording device (DAR), which was activated and would have audio-recorded any statements made by Mater or Gochenour. At approximately 11:30 p.m., inmate Gochenour committed suicide by hanging himself in a cell at FCJ. Orange County District Attorney’s Office (OCDA) was subsequently contacted to conduct the custodial death investigation. In the hours after Mater learned of Gochenour’s death, the defendant is accused of destroying his DAR by crushing it and removing the mother board and circuit board. The audio captured on Mater’s DAR of the defendant’s interaction with Gochenour could not be recovered as a result of the damage. The defendant is accused of destroying evidence that would have been relevant to the OCDA’s custodial death investigation The 06/26, N9, 8:30 AM PRE-TRIAL BROCK ZIMMON SPECIAL PROSECUTIONS • 12NM02768

    What’s to worry. I destroyed all types of evidence. Just made my case all that stronger. Any you young moms want to get your drunk on down at the SlideBar? I’ll watch your brats. Or, at least I’ll try to watch them.

  51. It’s so sad to see people on here continuing to spread lies because they can’t accept the cold hard facts. Cicinelli and Ramos will soon be sent to prison where they will either be beaten to death by inmates or commit suicide like the spineless sacks they are. Hopefully their ex-wives will marry men with values next time around and rescue their children from repeating the vicious cycle. You have to fill bad for those children. Not only are their daddies the most hated men in the city, but they are being brainwashed to disregard the value of human life.

  52. To all the supporters of justice. If you haven’t already signed and shared these petitions please do so. The first is to have all six officers involved in Kelly Thomas’ murder removed from the force. A very reasonable demand. The second one is taking the issue to the president. Regardless of your political affiliation this needs to be done in order to increase awareness of the issue.

    http://www.change.org/petitions/remove-all-6-fullerton-police-officers-involved-in-the-murder-of-kelly-thomas

    http://www.change.org/petitions/justice-for-kelly-thomas-2

    I wonder if friendsforjay has 20,000+ supporters. lol

    1. So, let me get this straight… your want to take a moral issue to our president? You know, there’s no nice way to put this but that’s just retarded. What could Obama possibly know about moral issues? HE’S A PSYCHOPATH! It takes one to know one and I’m telling you for sure, he’s a psychopath.

  53. Brandon, you are just a wanna be. You really don’t know from which you speak, so maybe you should keep it down dude.

    If I was a bettin’ man I would say that Ramos and Cicinelli will neither one see any time behind the slats.

  54. About Hunt, by Moxley:

    “How did he do it? In a forceful tone, he promised to model his performance on that of notorious Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona, saying he would fight amnesty for illegal immigrants, start forcing everyone arrested on misdemeanor charges to go to jail and seek bail, advocate cuts in public subsidies to the criminal-defense bar working on behalf of the indigent, refuse to allow early release for any inmate, increase department accountability to the public, have a far-less-restrictive concealed-weapons-permit policy than his opponents, and stand up against the liberal likes of Jerry Brown or federal bureaucrats.”

    http://www.ocweekly.com/2010-04-01/news/moxley-confidential-bill-hunt-sheriff/2/

    This Bill Hunt? Surely you fellows are joking. Read that list again. That’s going to save you money? That’s going to restore justice? Putting everybody accused of a misdemeanor in jail? Refusing early release to any inmate? Do you know how much that alone is going to cost? Plus, what part of “freedom” and “liberty” don’t you people understand? Locking people up and refusing to release them for misdemeanors is not “liberty.” Contrast this fascist garbage with REAL Libertarianism. Ron Paul wants to FREE all non-violent drug offenders. Hunt wants to IMPRISON all of them and allow no early release. Sounds like fascism to me. Sorry, but no fucking way did we launch a rebellion just to put a more oppressive asshole in charge. seriously WTF are you thinking? I don’t care if your pals. I don’t care if you golf together and drink bourbon together. This guys is a Neandrathal asshole. Fuck him and fuck you for even thinking of him. How many times would this asshole have had Kelly Thomas arrested for misdemeanors? Ever think about that? Oh yeah, the homeless would just LOVE a chief like this clown.

    Cutting funds for defense for indigents? Wow, that will help things out a lot in Fullerton. More false arrests and railroading! More innocent people in jail for nothing! Hey, maybe they can wear pink underwear! That’s American!

    Seriously, fuck this guy. You better start over. I’ll be out in the streets protesting Hunt if he’s even interviewed. And in case you’re reading this Hunt fuck you, you asshole. We don’t need fascist Arpaio wannabees in our town. Why don’t you move to, I dunno, fucking Syria. Constitutionalist my ass.

      1. Yep, I am. I didn’t help out a revolution to get rid of corrupt and brutal cops in order to get the Gestapo as a replacement. Got it? Start fucking over.

                1. I don’t know much about Mack though I see he is an ally of LEAP, which is a step in the right direction.

                  Anybody who is a Libertarian by party affiliation or in spirit should not be a fan of Arpaio. Read these reports on him by the libertarian Goldwater Institute if you want to understand why:

                  http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/1202mission.pdf
                  http://goldwaterinstitute.org/sites/default/files/052109%20Bolick%20Justice%20Denied.pdf

                  Maybe Hunt was just trying to get Arpaio out here to get some of the blue-haired “terrified of Mexicans” votes. But if he subscribes to anything Arpaio believes he is not the right man for this job.

    1. Wow. Were you smashing everything in your house when you were posting this? I didn’t know Occupy Wall Street existed in Fullerton. I know you are a Paulista. Hunt was endorsed by hardcore Libertarian groups. Do your research. Times have changed

      1. Do your research. Don’t trust what people tell you. Look at what someone actually does. This asshole brought Arpaio in for a dog and pony show. HE WANTS TO PUT EVERYBODY WHO COMMITS A MISDEMEANOR IN JAIL. What part of the words fascism, authoritarianism, and totalitarianism do you not understand?

        We need police who are LESS likely to lock people up, not MORE. Especially since we KNOW that a BUNCH of people they are locking up are INNOCENT.

        Do your research, and start by looking back at the posts about police brutality victims in Fullerton. All of them, not just Kelly Thomas. There is no way that locking up more people for petty bullshit is the way out of this morass. Do you not get that?

      1. Harpoon’s are used for spearing and reeling in fat, bloated, political animals, that are incapable of being reeled in by other means due to their excessive weight and sense of self-importance/impotence…same smell.

          1. Not the harpoon itself, however their prey is usually quite heavy and half bloated due to rigor mortis setting in before the prey has been safely gaffed and put on the ship’s deck.

              1. Glad to see you have sense of humor. It’s our most important sense, yet usually the first one to go.

  55. The only thing they will do is what they are doing now, making new employees have different pension levels and making current employees pay their 9% now. Retirees and past payments won’t change. The only way to change the past people is bankruptcy. Fullerton is no where near bankrupt an they have reserves.

    Anonymous :
    I get a defined benefit in the private sector. I know a lot of people who do. The company stopped issuing them to new employees about 2 years ago, which was a smart move. A great idea to consider for new hires in the public sector.
    What they didn’t do was revoke pensions for those employees who already had them or retires. You know why? 1) It’s illegal. 2) It’s immoral.
    You’re confusing the issue with your rants. I’m all for accountability with union employees. If you screw up bad enough, you should be fired. No one is debating this with you. I have no idea why you brought it up.
    Your argument is lacking. Sorely.
    Don’t revoke pensions for employees who have already retired or are close to retiring. It’s just wrong. Find a better way to fix the problem. Transitioning employees to a 401(k) or similar is a good start. Accountability for bad actors is also a good step.

  56. Anonymous :
    I get a defined benefit in the private sector. I know a lot of people who do. The company stopped issuing them to new employees about 2 years ago, which was a smart move. A great idea to consider for new hires in the public sector.
    What they didn’t do was revoke pensions for those employees who already had them or retires. You know why? 1) It’s illegal. 2) It’s immoral.
    You’re confusing the issue with your rants. I’m all for accountability with union employees. If you screw up bad enough, you should be fired. No one is debating this with you. I have no idea why you brought it up.
    Your argument is lacking. Sorely.
    Don’t revoke pensions for employees who have already retired or are close to retiring. It’s just wrong. Find a better way to fix the problem. Transitioning employees to a 401(k) or similar is a good start. Accountability for bad actors is also a good step.

    Yeah, sure you do. Let’s check. Who do you work for?

    1. Did you just call me a liar? Wow. Basic defense of the incompetent. Accuse, deny, and repeat. Keep it up. Big fat fuck you to you, pal.

      On that note . . .

      Look, let’s do this: Pension reform NOW. Fix the system before it ruins us all. Justice for the future, not vengeance.

      Sound good to you? That’s the best olive branch I’ve got.

  57. @ Hog wild: Unlike in your world in which people can be silenced through violence and intimidation, I live in a world where I can speak my mind. But thanks for the advice. When you go through 7 years of college instead of 9 months of police academy maybe your opinion will carry more creedence.
    And it may be true they do no time, but I seriously doubt it. Regardless, their careers are over, what little regard anyone had for them before they murdered Thomas is gone, respectable citizens will not let their children anywhere near Cicinelli or Ramos’s kids, they’ll move far away from the town where they’re despised, they’ll drain their financial resources, they’ll lose their livelihood, and although I don’t wish death upon anyone, judging by the cowardice they’ve displayed thus far, they may committ suicide.

    1. Brandon: They’ll get jobs at the Slidebar. They’ll offer extremely quick and effective responses to telephone requests — for anything.

    2. yes people careers are over because a stupid self centered idiot like his father would not cooperate. but was goes around comes around. its called karma.

  58. License and registration please :

    Hunt was right to let the kid off. Of course that should apply to all, not just the kids of the rich or powerful.

    Exactly but like selective enforcement of immigration laws its not fairly implemented. If you’re here illegally and not of Mexican descent or not one of Obama’s distant relatives, your butt its going to be deported.
    I find it odd that if you’re here illegally and meet that criteria you can stay without any problems but if you’re legally born and raised here and happen to have a warrant for not paying your parking tickets they have no problem throwing you and jail and putting your kids in a foster home.
    Both bush’s and obama’s detention and deportation policies when it comes to people being here illegally overwhelmingly favors Mexicans.
    If you happen to be from Guatemala they have no problem deporting you and there is little or no media coverage of it.

    The sad fact is that NO set of laws in the US are fairly and equitably implemented. About what you’re specifically saying wasn’t there a case recently where INS was going to send a Guatemalan (or was it Honduran) woman whom had been raped several times in her home country back because of some minor offense she’d committed? Wouldn’t have happened if she was a major campaign donor would it. That’s what happens when you live in an oligarchy.

  59. I came to know Bill Hunt during the 2005-2006 timeframe where he first ran for OC sheriff. In retrospect, Orange County missed that first opportunity to awaken and pay attention. Wearing blinders and fingers in their ears, Orange County voters watched their bad choice for sheriff, Mike Carona, go to federal prison. Then, four years later, the second opportunity to enlist a good man was squandered away due to countywide apathy once again.

    Playing that broken Haidl-boy record over and over again is a sad attempt to find something, just anything to smear and hang around Hunt’s neck. Well, It doesn’t fit. And is that the best anyone can dig up?

    After spending time on and off stage with the campaigning Bill Hunt, I found him to be the same man in public view as in private. I pity any caring city of Fullerton citizen convinced otherwise about Bill Hunt.

    I have no idea, even if offered, Bill Hunt would want or except the job of chief. Regardless, it is refreshing to see Fullerton resurrect his name as a potential candidate to rid Fullerton of roaches wearing uniforms. I look forward to hearing from those nameless bloggers with comments having little substance.

    1. Game on Pateick (do you mind if I call you Patrick?):

      1. What is Hunt’s record on police brutality? Facts, not speculation.

      2. Why did Hunt bring Arpaio to OC?

      3. Does Hunt agree with Arpaio on the First Amendment, namely that if you are criticized by the press you should abuse your power by investigating them? See for example http://www.sheriff-arpaio.com/

      4. Does Hunt agree with Arpaio on the Eighth Amendment clause on cruel and unusual punishment – Arpaio seems to believe that he can define that however he likes. See for instance here: http://tucsoncitizen.com/arizona-unapologetic-liberal/2011/12/20/breaking-news-woman-files-lawsuit-against-mcso-arpaio-after-being-shackled-during-birth/

      4. Does Hunt really, as the OC Weekly wrote, want to see anybody who commits any misdemeanors jailed?

      5. How would Hunt achieve cost-savings by jailing an increased number of non-felons and preventing early release for non-violent offenders? Jail costs are far more expensive than simply fining violators.

      6. How would those last four points be consistent with general libertarian principles?

      7. How does Hunt justify an alliance with Arpaio and at the same time claim affinity with the Oath Keepers, given the following statement made by the Founder and head of the Oath Keepers, Stewart Rhodes:

      “But if a state or local government isn’t respecting the Bill of Rights, then yes, the federal government should intervene and investigate. Take Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona. I think he’s a terrible sheriff. And I think it’s really unfortunate that he’s held up as some kind of a hero in parts of the freedom community. He’s a constitutional disaster, a Bill of Rights disaster. So yes, in that case, you have a sheriff who’s violating due process and who’s violating the Eighth Amendment. There’s definitely a role for the federal government to come in and say no.” http://reason.com/archives/2011/04/11/constitutional-refuseniks/singlepage

      8. What does Hunt think of civilian oversight of policing?

      As a nameless blogger I look forward to your substantial comment addressing each of these questions in the detail it deserves.

      1. If your response is simply more redundant questions, ask individuals with all the answers. Then, share them. If instead, you have an opinion or something to contribute, let’s hear that, too. I have to assume you believe Bill Hunt views things differently than you and both of youis may never agree or meet half-way. Some things never change.

        So, if you qualify, apply for the job and go public. It may be Hunt could care less about the opportunity. Your playing the role of a sniper firing questions, is unproductive. In the meantime, don’t look to me to answer your barrage of inflammatory queries that have been beat to death four years.

        Thank you for pointing out my typo. Yes, the name is Patrick Rick. What is yours?

        1. They are not redundant or unimportant questions. They are vitally important questions I and many others would like to know the answers to. If you know the answers, please enlighten us. If you don’t, then I submit that you cannot be much of an authority on what type of police chief your friend Bill Hunt would actually be.

          My opinion is that if Bill Hunt got Arpaio out here to gather votes but secretly knows that Arpaio is one of the most reprehensible and immoral unconstitutional lawmen in America, and is willing to confess that to his good friends in private, maybe he is a palatable candidate. If he actually agrees with Arpaio and would try something similar in Fullerton I would suggest that he will encounter what former Mayor Jones described as the “lynch type mob” sooner rather than later. I trust I am now making my opinion abundantly clear?

          If these questions have really been beat to death and the answers are all out there kindly point me to them because I know how to use google and yet I cannot find them.

          In terms of being productive, full disclosure is productive and refusing to answer questions is most assuredly not.

          if time is the issue and you would like to answer only a few of the questions, I would like to know the answer to these two in particular:

          1. What is Hunt’s record on police brutality? Facts, not speculation.

          4. Does Hunt really, as the OC Weekly wrote, want to see anybody who commits any misdemeanors jailed?

          And to reiterate my personal opinion, if Hunt’s answer to the latter is yes, he is not a suitable candidate for any LEO position in this country. Perhaps in a repressive totalitarian state he might be. I would then suggest that he move there. I hope you can understand why I would find that for example imprisoning people for unpaid parking tickets might be unconstitutional, morally objectionable, an enormous waste of taxpayer dollars, barbaric, and stupid.

          I do not usually state my name when discussing LEOs since they have a propensity for imbecilic savagery. If you side with them you have less to worry about in doing so than I.

          I await your substantive response.

          1. I’ll answer #4. It was silly of me to link to my humorous poem about Arpaio’s fundraiser “comin’ up” when me and my fellow Orange Juicer Francisco Barragan snuck in to the actual event, (well, Francisco paid actually), listened to Arpaio talk, interviewed Bill (I sat by Bill during the whole thing, knowing him from when he came to left-wing DFA in 2006 looking for votes) and we wrote two good articles about it.

            http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2010/04/wrapping-up-the-hunt-arpaio-circus-pt-1-the-sutra-event/

            From that article, things he told us and things he said in his speech:

            “…Most of his ideas have to do with “tougher” law enforcement combined with allegedly saving the public money. He is against the current “cite and release” policy for non-violent criminals, and against “kicking crooks loose.” He would instead “BOOK ‘EM ALL,” and not let them out till they post bail, so that the bondsman will be responsible for them. He says Sheriff Hutchens’ early releases have tragically opened up 2000 extra beds, which she plans to rent to the Feds – where they will allegedly place “illegals.” (At first blush that sounds like a good deal for the county – I don’t know if it’s true or not.) He later told Francisco and me that he wants to convert the mess halls in the OC jails to house more inmates.

            “I’m not prepared to say right now if he is characterizing current policy fairly or not, or whether his solutions make any sense. It sounds like just more law-and-order lock-up-more-Americans talk, which makes me wonder why “Libertarians” like our Fullerton Fringer friends want him in charge. These are your drug-offender pals he’s talking about, Tony and Travis. Also pretty hard to see how this would save taxpayer money by any stretch.

            “But not to worry, he proposes to save a tiny bit thusly: He wants the public defender – who currently represents 90% of those arrested here – to ONLY be available to the “truly indigent.” And he wants the county to bill inmates for their health care….

            “He also, as part of his segue into Arpaio’s drunken monologue, enthusiastically endorsed Arizona’s draconian new immigration law SB 1070, which forces police under penalty of lawsuit to check the documents of anyone they pull over who LOOKS like they might be an illegal immigrant…”

            The second article was about Arpaio’s drunken speech: http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2010/05/arpaio-borracho/

            Now…

            Why are we talking about Bill Hunt, again? What WAS this little story of Peabody’s? A trial balloon?

            I remember Bushala and his friends were big boosters of him when he ran in 2010, I couldn’t figure out exactly why, except that he was “anti-establishment,” talked about CCW permits, and vaguely thought pot should be legalized (even as he promised to jail all lawbreakers, meaning potsmokers.) They even got yelled at by some cop for holding up Bill Hunt signs over a freeway overpass, as though they were liberal troublemakers like us. Remember that?

            1. It’s good to see the Libs are painting their faces and beating the war drums.Truth be told, all I see here from “nameless blogger” are straw man and slippery slope arguments. Truth be told, you can’t compare county politics with municipal issues. Vern, It you want guilt by association, should we talk about some of Art’s bone head moves? I didn’t think so. Hunt is an originalist regarding the constitution. That applies to everybody. As for Moxley, call the guy. He will tell you what he thinks about Hunt. Hunt has a sterling “record” at San Clemente. That’s the key. Those are the people you need to talk to.

              1. You aren’t answering valid questions that are being asked. What is the straw man argument? Arpaio is an asshole. Anybody who would bring him out here is probably one too, or at least has a high tolerance for them. In case you haven’t been paying attention, the problem in Fullerton hasn’t been “Libs”, its been sadistic, brutal, thuggish, oafish cops. We will not be accepting any more of them anytime soon. Anyway, Vern told me everything I need to know. Stay in denial, it suits you.

            2. Thanks Vern. That was very enlightening instead of the double-talk Hunt’s fan club are engaging in.

              Your commentary is right on target. If you want more responsible policing you don’t hire some zealot who wants to imprison everybody because he thinks that due to some absurd interpretation of the constitution that the founding fathers wanted everybody who grew hemp or didn’t park their horse and buggy properly thrown in a jail cell.
              And he won’t save us any money with that approach, he’d cost us millions more.

              And not a single goddamn word from anybody here about Hunt’s record on police brutality.

              Next.

            1. I’m sorry for the abuse you must have endured as a child being called Kirby. Just remember, its not my fault.

          2. I am not here to educate you. That may be impossible. However, I am impressed with your talent using open questions to make a point. So, what is that point or points? What is it you wish the public to know about Bill Hunt that is damning? Or, are you just fishing? It appears you are incapable of getting behind and supporting anyone in particular. Instead, your Don Quixote persona seems to prefer windmills.

            I am speaking from the position of an involved citizen having lived through two OC campaigns for Sheriff and finding few, if any, reasons to dismiss Hunt from consideration in Fullerton politics. The last to dismiss Hunt was Carona. I would call that a badge of honor, not a disgrace. It is good to have people like you willing to stir the stick and keep the positive Bill Hunt name alive. I thank you for that.

            There is hope for you. A little more maturity will help you come closer to riding the fence and teaching tolerance for those not as perfect as you are.

            1. No, I’m asking questions. None of Hunt’s defenders bothered to answer a single, solitary one of them, including you. Nice obfuscation. Vern has already said what needed to be said and it was based on his firsthand observations and interviews with Hunt. So nothing you say matters. Hunt won’t be Chief here.

  60. KFI J&K :Yesterday J&K broke down the audio in segments and Kelly says yes to checking door handles. J&K changed their tune on the whole ase after hearing the audio. Didn’t say the murder was ok but said now they have a different opinion of the contact and call and things leading up to Kelly fleeing.

    That’s it? that’s the bombshell? the game changer? Made up lies! and a snippet of dialogue from a passerby that have no relevence to the events that were to unfold! Cyclops and Pie face are going to prison, led away in tears. Oh boy, this is going to be good!

      1. I’m sure that Gerry Sandusky was quite the cajoler also.

        Didn’t seem to help his defense team though did it?

          1. My point is that I don’t think that the Judge or the jury members give suspects of capitol crimes bonus points if they think that they were charming or extra polite to their victims before they molest or murder them.

  61. Nomad, Brandon and he like… You don’t really think Cicinelli and Ramos are going to prison now do you?

    If you think the officers are going to do something stupid, then you are the one who is very very ill informed. They are very strong willed and strong minded, no suicide, no tears, only plans for the future. You should be praying for them.

    1. Quote: “Monday’s hearing was to determine whether the duo should stand trial. Ramos is heard saying during the confrontation with the schizophrenic homeless man, then 37:

      Now you see my fists? They’re getting ready to fuck you up.

      The officers hit Thomas with fists, a baton and the but of a gun during the July 5 confrontation. Other officers soon joined in and crowded Thomas, who was on the ground.

      He yelled for his father in pain:

      Dad, they’re killing me. Dad, dad.

      His father told Fox 11 News that his boy believed he was the only one who could save him.”

      1. No, I think Kelly is saying, “You are killing me dad:, probably Ron beat the shit out of him also. Sorry dad, dad, sorry.

  62. Greg Diamond :
    The evidence that Ramos’s lawyer is saying he has, enhanced audio showing Ramos talking nicely to Kelly, etc. It was in the news.

    “Enhanced” audio? Yes I heard it. The audio where Kelly denies committing a crime. And where Ramos the thick-skulled oaf tries to play word games with Thomas. Right, that evidence.

    1. I call it strategy, not word games. Ramos is totally calm while Kelly all irritated. The thick skull was Kelly not Ramos. Ramos was as cool as can be.

  63. Greg Diamond :
    Generally, yes. But there’s little argument that Ramos had committed a felony prior to the death of Kelly Thomas. Folks here have apparently just never seen a roust before or dealt with cops who are being crossed. Cops are paid to control situations; that of itself is not a felony.

    That would depend on if the call to the cops from the Slidebar were pre-arranged. That’s a felonious conspiracy, right there.

      1. Dude. Your playbook has been compromised. You’re a dandelion on the down slope from an avalanche. Cops are suppose to be able to outsmart and manage the homeless who in many instances have emotional difficulties. In this case the cops’ diminished and juvenile self esteem (emotional difficulties) brought them to the same level of functionality of Kelly Thomas. They allowed a man with emotional difficulties to effectively taunt their manliness and that lead to his death. That there is some sick and degrading stuff and requires that these highly paid “contributors” to society pay the price.

  64. Hog Wild :Nomad, Brandon and he like… You don’t really think Cicinelli and Ramos are going to prison now do you?
    If you think the officers are going to do something stupid, then you are the one who is very very ill informed. They are very strong willed and strong minded, no suicide, no tears, only plans for the future. You should be praying for them.

    They have already done something very stupid, hog. They M-U-R-D-E-R-E-D an innocent man and the shitstorm that followed is of thier own making. We won’t forget. We’re not leaving, until those responsible for the Murder/cover-up are brought to justice. My heart and prayers go out to the less fortunate, the needy, family and friends. Not unrepentant murdering thugs who disparage a dead mans memory and interfere with the familys grieving.

  65. Nomad, how much grieving will $20 million buy? If you think R.T. is grieving for real you are lacking.

    The one I feel for is his mother, she has lost a son and the hurt and pain of that will never go away, no matter what the circumstaces. Kelly may have made a lot of bad choices and been 5150 but he is still her son.

    Be that as it is, that does not mean that the FPD was responsible for his actions or his death.

    My heart goes out to K.T.’s mother.

  66. Even though I strongly disagree with you Hog, I do, as a visitor to this sight appreciate you more as a human being for the sentiment of condolences (though belated, and only towards KTs mom) Surely this is difficult for you and yours as well, but I have looked into Mr. Thomas’ eyes when I shook his hand and offered my condolences, no cameras, no photo op., just one father to another and I recognized the look of pain in his eyes. I saw it in my own Fathers eyes, when my Mother died. He was visably grieving his son.

    1. Fred Alcazar :

      Greg Diamond :
      The evidence that Ramos’s lawyer is saying he has, enhanced audio showing Ramos talking nicely to Kelly, etc. It was in the news.

      “Enhanced” audio? Yes I heard it. The audio where Kelly denies committing a crime. And where Ramos the thick-skulled oaf tries to play word games with Thomas. Right, that evidence.

      Ramos had very little concern about the auto burglaries, it sounds like it was known to him and knew it was not true, S.O.P.

  67. The FPD is an the STD of corruption and collusion. Taking a broom to the hallways? The dept need a full blown enema! Even the newer cops are out of control, or rather, lack any self-control. Only because the dept is currently in the cross hairs of the media and public eye have they made any kind of attempt to try and walk the line. And only because they’re hoping this will all blow over once their fellow cops are tossed out and settlements are paid out — theyre cowering and staying on the DL hoping their own indescretions and injustices won’t be exposed. Can the department be resuscitated? Don’t know. The culture has been long engrained, passed down to the even the newest members of the force. And the Police union? They’re on only one agenda – and it ain’t to protect and serve the public. It’s to protect and serve themselves.

  68. chief Dan is not ready ,you guys want Mike well I think is the best idea ,but as you guys don’t agree who for sure .well samara already had experience with corrupt cops ,and by now Im already know by names which ones are the most corrupt police officers inside FPD. So will be easier for me to clean house faster !!!! so Im a good candidate for that position .watch out blue boys if Samara get that position oh boys !!!!

  69. Thanks John Doe ,guess what ? I know more than the names I also know their personal durty life and they still hold a big position,but I have to censored myself for now ,BIG THINGS are happening inside the fpd ,that’s why they don’t like me but I WILL BRINGTHIS TO THE LIGHT and investigate all the corrupt cops there .The chief knows oh yeah but keep cover this his blue little bully boys ,but Samara knows this is why denied me ,my reports ,and even today chief told me he is done with me and he mention the words from randy go and take ur pill wow .he is the one that need it but I HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION UNTIL NOW NOBODY KNOWS .I wiil post it just at the right time………………

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