Are All 6 On the Way Out?

Don't get any closer, punk...

Brandon Ferguson at the Weekly is citing KPCC that cites other media outlets in passing along the news that all six of the Fullerton cops who participated in the beating death of Kelly Thomas last July have been given notices of termination.

This means that Craig, Blatney and Hampton have now joined the list that previously included Ramos, Wolfe and Cicinelli.

Of course official announcements are not forthcoming from the City since we the lowly taxpayers are not to know which cops are fired (if ever) and what for.

Since the sources have been cantilevered out there pretty far, I’ll withhold saying anything else until I can touch base with my source inside the FPD.

In the meantime, reflect on this: after the killing these cops were not disciplined; they were left on the streets by a leaderless department and a chummy city council majority – Jones, Bankhead and McKinley. Wolfe, Blatney, Hampton and Craig have been on paid leave since August, costing us several hundred thousand dollars.

349 thoughts on “Are All 6 On the Way Out?

  1. The Fullerton Harpoon

    Almost eleven months later later? Somebody tell me the system isn’t completely screwed up.

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    1. jerry

      BIG DEAL THE CORRUPT ANIMALS WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF WHEN THE L A COP UNION MAKES THE CITY HIRE THEM. NICE DEAL PENSIONS FROM FULLERTON HA HA HA.

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  2. One for the books

    While the public has been skillfully hypnotized into thinking that Dancing with the Stars is more important than what their government is doing, we get screwed!

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  3. Rat's Ass

    Why wasn’t Sellers put on leave pending investigation immediately after it was obvious that he wasn’t going to do anything? And, this is the big one, has the supervisor who allowed the officers to view the tape before writing their reports also been served with a notice of termination?

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    1. Reality Is

      Sellers went on medical. He’s long gone now with 50% tax free pension.

      The tape review was legal and is done today in many PDs. No discipline for that by anyone involved.

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      1. Rat's Ass

        Sellers did not take medical leave immediately after the killing. He should have been fired by the end of July last year before he could claim a disability.

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        1. Reality Is

          He had an approved claim before the incident. It was just made worse so was just a technicality. He could had been fired, but would still be in the same spot as now. Plus his firing would have never held up. That’s why his medical was approved. He would have retired within a year either way.

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          1. AntiCorruptionUnit

            That’s bullshit Bankhead.

            SELLERS could have been disciplined and fired for his conduct.

            YES he can still get his pension and medical leave after he FIGHTS for it. The freakin City didn’t even QUESTION his medical leave.

            The City let that POS slip out the back door.

            Don’t come in here and suggest Sellers get’s a TIME OUT because he filed for a medical retirement.

            He is still accountable for his conduct JUST like the other 6.

            He got a pass and there is NO QUESTION about that.

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            1. Reality Is

              Yes Mr know it all.

              If they fired him it would never ever hold up. Even a wanna be cop like you knows that he would be the last one fired in a huge investigation like this. It would be after a county and federal investigation, which takes at least a year. You have to have facts to fire not hastily made pressured decisions, that’s why POBAR is in place.

              I said he would be in the same spot. His work comp was an existing claim. If they fired him on July 10th he still will get his pension and 50% tax free. It was already approved a year before. It couldn’t be taken back by this council.

              Yes you can be wrong know it all.

              Sorry you couldn’t achieve a longevity retirement like him.

              🙂

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              1. AntiCorruptionUnit

                Typical comment by you Bankhead.

                And again your full of crap as to what it would take to handle Sellers discipline.

                I do have a retirement idiot!!!!

                Now go change your depends and get back to us.

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        1. AntiCorruptionUnit

          That’s bullshit too. Hughes is in the middle of the train closer to the engine running the train.

          He too is accountable and so far some have attempted to make him somewhat of a hero.

          That’s why Gennaco was hired in the first place. Gennaco focused on the RANK and FILE more than he did management.

          NOW you want to impress the public, maybe someone in the city should have asked for the Department of Justice to conduct the internal affairs hearing.

          I wonder if they would have started at the bottom and allowed the investigation to go UPHILL right to Sellers?

          Like I said from the first, MANAGMENT is going to get a pass to the best of everyone’s ability in your little regime!!!!

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  4. Concerned Texan

    I wish Hampton had also been terminated for his behavior concerning the Veth Nam case. It seems like he’s been getting away with things for awhile.

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    1. The Fullerton Harpoon

      Well, you know he really didn’t do anything wrong. He thought Veth Mam had jumped on the back of some cop and then miraculously transported himself to the sidewalks where he began to video the incident, and well, you know, mistakes are made, and the cops really do try to arrest and prosecute, and incarcerate the right guy.

      At least that’s what Goodrich said. And Goodrich got promoted and we all know the FPD is on the up and up.

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  5. merijoe

    I just heard on the news that Cicinelli and Ramos were actually fired by FPD. evidently, this is a new development…I thought this was old news, do they still get to Skelly it? The Pa of Cicinelli, I guess that’s his official spokehole, is making statements that Cici will fight it.

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  6. East of Spadra

    This is what happens when you give a $40M budget to a secret society boys club and expect them to “police” themselves.

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    1. tu sabes

      this is soooo true and the clubs leader is Hughes …. wake up people!! the bad apples did what the supervisors told then to do!?!(doesn’t make it right, but still they followed orders )

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  7. van get it da artiste

    “Your FPD “family” has been lying under oath, abusing the public, raping, stealing, destroying evidence, tampering with evidence and getting away with murder for far too long.”

    and our local, vocal civil rights activists were strangely mum while their community’s police force systematically abused the community’s civil rights.

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  8. Reality Is

    The 3 were fired. The others disciplined.

    Yes they will fight it. Skelly will be in about 30 days. Arbitration within a year. Long process. Due process. You may not like due process but this is why it’s in place. It all came about when some council member or Chief or City manager got a wild hair up their zzz And tried firing or disciplining employees without just cause. Now when they make a wrong step in the process court injunctions are issued and usually large monetary damages to the employees. Every part of the process is in place due to missteps and intentional acts by city leaders.

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    1. One for the books

      This is a bunch of crap!! The entire process should be limited to 90 days, at the most!

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      1. Reality Is

        Yes. The problem is most investigations take awhile to complete. Interviews with everyone, tapes, videos, audio, typing, putting packages together, approval by command staff, discipline level meetings, then finally the notice of intent to administer discipline. This all has to be completed within one year by law. Some barely get done. Some are much quicker. Depends on the complaint or violation.

        Quicker is better. Intent is usually quick at most PDs but has to be thorough to hold up in Skelly and arbitration.

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    2. The Fullerton Harpoon

      Another reason why the process should have been initiated eleven months ago.

      It’s not “due” process. it’s undue protraction and temporizing meant to protect crooked, unionized cops and punish the citizenry.

      Nice.

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      1. Reality Is

        Your opinion. Clearly more people disagree with you based on the case law behind it. If that changes, I’m sure your desires will be met.

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        1. The Fullerton Harpoon

          If by “most people” you mean Danny Hughes and Jay Cicinelli’s dad, I’m sure you’re right.

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          1. Reality Is

            Then make it happen. Bad decisions have led to case law decisions. Change the case law and then change the laws.

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              1. Reality Is

                Changes to the laws governing police discipline? No. I haven’t seen any attempt at changes or any legislation. I have seen more examples of why it is in place though.

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                1. Jane H

                  “Changes to the laws governing police discipline? No.”

                  It WILL happen. Fullerton is making case law right now.

    3. AntiCorruptionUnit

      Your double talking again Banghead.

      After Ramos and Cincinelli were charged you said “minor disciplines” would follow.

      You just keep changing your position a little at a time.

      Hopefully NO ONE will notice.

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    1. Concerned Texan

      “But even as officers collected their thoughts'” … there’s no spin there at all. How about, as officers collectively rearranged their thoughts…

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    2. Jane H

      “But even as the officers collected their thoughts, crime-scene technicians and detectives were picking over the scene of the bloody confrontation with Kelly Thomas as if it had been an officer-involved shooting, Hughes said. The criminal case now facing two of those officers, he said, was built in large part on the police work done by their own department.”

      Good job FPD!

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    3. Fullerton police chief exclusive: 'We blew it'

      NO INTENTION TO MISLEAD

      The department claimed in the days after the beating that at least one officer had also suffered broken bones as he struggled with Thomas. It later stepped back from that but never explained where the misinformation had come from, Hughes said: an early hospital assessment that indicated one officer had broken ribs. Another officer did require surgery on his shoulder, Hughes said.

      “I don’t believe there was any intention at all to mislead our community,” Hughes said. But, he added, “we should have did a better job” of communicating – a common theme in his account of the aftermath of Kelly Thomas’ death. In the future, he said, he and his top commanders will handle public communication duties during major incidents.

      The department, he said, “did a very poor job of communicating to the community.”

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      1. Concerned Texan

        No intention to mislead at all! I’m going to “lean on my horn for blocks and blocks” and see if the MP’s try to arrest me…

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      2. buttonh00k

        Fullerton police chief exclusive: ‘We blew it’ :
        NO INTENTION TO MISLEAD
        The department claimed in the days after the beating that at least one officer had also suffered broken bones as he struggled with Thomas. It later stepped back from that but never explained where the misinformation had come from, Hughes said: an early hospital assessment that indicated one officer had broken ribs. Another officer did require surgery on his shoulder, Hughes said.
        “I don’t believe there was any intention at all to mislead our community,” Hughes said. But, he added, “we should have did a better job” of communicating – a common theme in his account of the aftermath of Kelly Thomas’ death. In the future, he said, he and his top commanders will handle public communication duties during major incidents.
        The department, he said, “did a very poor job of communicating to the community.”

        That’s funny. So basically what he is saying there, is that we didn’t cover it up. We just didn’t say anything, hoping it would just go away.
        How do you explain this:

        “NONE of the media wanted to run with the Kelly Thomas murder story.”
        “The reason that most (except channel 7) of the media didn’t cover the story was because Andrew Goodlie sent a press release indicating that a drug crazed man was caught breaking into cars and he fought six police officers violently and during the fight with six police officers, two of them suffered broken bones.”

        How the media reacted could be evidence of misleading the public couldn’t it?

        Man, I want to pick apart that OCR article so bad unfortunately, I don’t have the time.

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    4. Jt

      “Acting Chief Dan Hughes said that decision “compromised, or at least damaged, the public’s trust and confidence in the process.” He said he could recall no other time when officers who had used force were allowed to review a video of their actions as they wrote their report.”

      Everybody remember a bunch of cops and their supporters telling us over and over again that cops being able to watch a video of crimes they’ve committed before writing up their reports is standard procedure?

      I sure do.

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      1. Reality Is

        Hint. This is the first time Fullerton has had an incident that they can review video. They don’t have dash cams like most PDs.

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          1. Concerned Texan

            Texas does it better. One of the officers beat a suspect with his baton subsequently violating the suspects civil rights, and he was fired afterward. Of course, Fullerton Officers won’t be fired for trying to manipulate the dash cam, unlike the officers in Dallas.

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          2. Anonymous

            Dash cams are very important. Too bad the money is all going to lucrative pensions. Maybe the city could tap into the water tax to find funds for the police improvement projects……

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          3. Reality Is More Horrific

            > Fullerton needs a Grant for dash cams soon.

            Reality is (no pun intended) they’ll just park their patrol cars facing away from the incident. Criminals will always find a way to game the system.

            Reality is if you have a daughter she will almost certainly be RAPED by the next generation of cops. Once they figure out that people like you blindly support their criminal actions and make up excuses, invent stories, etc nothing is going to stop them from RAPING your daughter.

            Think about that before you post again.

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            1. AntiCorruptionUnit

              YOU lost for words at the moment Banghead regarding my last few comments?

              As usual I believe the answer is yes.

              Remember you said you were an old man, maybe you should remember you can’t run with the young dogs anymore in real life.

              Glad you have a good computer to try and keep up.

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              1. Reality Is

                I’m never at a loss for words ol fart. You know that by now. I know you are full of crap and you thrive for acceptance in life. Standard cop retiree.

                You are old. I’m a young Captain with 25 years on and enjoy my job. You had to bail out early due to pressure and now you are like a lost puppy. Lol

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                1. AntiCorruptionUnit

                  A Captain that should be doing other things WHILE on the clock on company time thats’s for sure.

                2. AntiCorruptionUnit

                  I loved my job too Captain.

                  EVERY single day I went to work whether under fire or NOT.

                  For the record disgruntled employees don’t come to work EVERY day an hour before shift, stay after work sometimes and NEVER charge the over time.

                  That ARE NOT producing and giving 110% and maintaining the top 10% in stats across the board if they are disgruntled.

                  AND do so for many years.

                  Now if you have some contrary FACTUAL opinon on that from your COMMAND college days, speak up or shut up.

                3. Reality Is

                  So you are claiming your short career is superior to any commander with 20-30 years without question? You really are close to a GOD. You should get paid to preach.

                4. Justice for ALL

                  “Captain” Reality Isn’t God, he just thinks he is,
                  It would appear, from your self-aggrandizing comments about your teaching and your administrative work history that YOU ARE being PAID to “preach.” It’s a shame that you are not able to teach any integrity or morals by your example.

                  You are definitely one foolish and very arrogant “Captain,” who has no qualms at all about showing disdain, hate, superiority and condescension towards the public that you have supposedly sworn to serve.

                  You have shamelessly bashed a tortured, murdered, innocent man and his family, and all those who seek justice. You have been doing this all day and all night long for the past 10 months on this blog, and during working hours. You have no shame. But, that is to be expected from a sociopath.

                  You demonstrate a lack of ethics, as well as a gross lack of any sense of propriety. There is no doubt that those same character flaws are on full display whenever you present yourself in public.

                  You are not creating any good will, respect, or trust for the FPD; instead, you are doing the exact opposite. You are only engendering a greater lack of respect, more distrust and ill will. Your efforts on this blog for the past 10 months have only been directed at excusing the corruption with the FPD, and in trying to preserve the status quo.

                  You don’t hate bad cops, because you ARE a bad cop. Your problem, and therefore OUR problem, is that you don’t know the difference between “good” and “bad,” “right” and “wrong” and you have no conscience. Did I mention that you are a sociopath?

                  You hide behind your POBAR, your badge and your thin blue line, and you continue to believe that “Might makes right.” You have no integrity.

                  One day, no doubt we will all know precisely who you are. Meanwhile, you serve as an excellent case study of the administrators within the FPD who also suffer from false delusions of grandeur.

                  Getting to know you on this blog has been very informative and helpful. We have all been able to witness your hard-hearted and complete lack of compassion, your arrogance, and your UNwillingness to advocate for the good of anyone outside of your close-knit brotherhood in blue uniforms.

                  You have demonstrated to me how self-serving you are, and how completely invested you are in working day and night to maintain the status quo within the FPD. You do not serve and protect the public; you serve and protect only yourself and your “brothers.” You do not deserve any public trust.

                5. Justice for ALL

                  Thank you Wrong Guy. “Reality Is” ISN’T Anything Good!! He is a self-serving, extremely puffed up, amoral, arrogant, text-book sociopathic bully. He spends his days and nights posting on this blog while he is at work, WASTING OUR MONEY while he VERBALLY BULLIES the public that he is sworn to serve. Perhaps he is too old to swing a baton and dog pile and scrape his elbow these days, but he still does his very best to BULLY and ABUSE the public in every way that he can. Of course, he does it under the false premise of “education.” He’s not fooling anyone but himself. He is a bully and a sadist and he laughs at the suffering of others.

                  He is NOT your friend, NOT my friend, and NOT ANYONE’S friend, unless that person also wears a badge. He cares ONLY for protecting the status quo of the FPD and he strives daily to justify his own evil mens rea.

                  If “Reality Is” “teaches” anything, I am VERY afraid of what those low IQ, psych test failing, non-critical thinking, power hungry students are being taught.

                  Our resident troller “Reality Is” needs to be occasionally outed to the new readers of this blog; although, -in truth, anyone who reads just a few of his self-serving, abusive comments will figure it out for themselves quickly enough. I’m glad Merijoe posted a few of his evil comments from last year; those comments are also very revealing of his evil soul. “Reality Is” has been posting his ignorant, abusive hate towards the Thomas family and towards the public for the past 10 months, and he makes me physically ill.

                  From our “public servants,” I demand accountability, humanity, goodness, honesty, morality, compassion, patience, tolerance, hard work, humility, respect and the willingness to give selfless service and protection to ALL whom they are sworn to serve, especially to the very most vulnerable, and to the least understood among us. If they don’t meet those standards, they should NOT be “public servants.” “Reality Is” does NOT meet those standards by a VERY LONG shot.

                6. Reality Is

                  LOL I see you are off your meds again. Go talk to ACU and compare meds, you should share em. I’m the real reality is and proud of it. Kiss me JFA. I love you.

                  🙂

                7. Reality Is

                  Are you ever wrong in life? Ever? I don’t know the other Reality Is but I bet he would at least admit to his faults. You and ACU on the other hand think you are perfect. I think that makes you guys worse people than anyone in this world. Egotistical 5150’s. Worst type of people to deal with. 🙂

                8. Justice for ALL

                  I don’t blog all day and all night on the public dime. I don’t trash and abuse the public that I am sworn to protect. I don’t hide behind my badge and the thin blue line. I am not a sadistic person who laughs at the suffering of others. I don’t abuse the public trust. You need to do a lot more serious introspection and work very hard on your integrity and your public image.

                9. Reality Is

                  Standard JFA MO. Make stuff up and hope people bite.

                  Wanna setup and escrow account and we each put $25k in it and if your BS claims prove true you win the money. If not, I win. Step up.

                  Yes Jane I’m wrong often. I always admit it. These clowns would meet admit they are wrong.

                  LOL who is this clown wanting to meet? You gotta remember there are about 10 Reality Is imposters and half my posts get deleted. I never saw an invite to meet. But like I said debating with most of the 10 people on this blog is like punching a brick. Stubborn grumpy pissed at life nuts.

                10. Justice for ALL

                  Your oversized ego just can’t bear hearing the truth. You’re NOT helping your public image, nor are you helping the public image of the FPD!! In between your sessions of bashing the public and bashing murdered Kelly Thomas and his family, do some serious introspection and learn to recogize your own hubris.

                11. Justice for ALL

                  You’re betting on public ignorance in order to maintain the status quo at FPD. That’s a bad bet.

                12. AntiCorruptionUnit

                  Captain RI REALLY wants to punish those of use who dare challenge his insight and vast experience on FPD issues. LE issues in general.

                  This is what he said yesterday.

                  “So you are claiming your short career is superior to any commander with 20-30 years without question? You really are close to a GOD. You should get paid to preach”

                  YOU really want to beat us up, don’t you Captain?

                  Have your original crew of 6 from the night of July 5th, 2011 deal with the likes of ACU, Justice for All, and a few others, teach us a lesson.

                  His justification will that we are nuts,disgruntled idiots, who have no clue on the issues we speak.

                  Captain RI how many cops have you got fired or harrassed at work for QUESTIONING you?

                  I bet there is a couple?

                13. Justice for ALL

                  Are you, once again, trying to talk down to the public whom you “serve”?

                14. Reality Is

                  Do you think cops or public employees really feel they are there to serve you? I doubt it. You aren’t a normal citizen. Humans talk up and down to everyone including family. So yes public employees I’m sure talk down to you just about every time you approach them. You talking down allows people to talk down to you. Up gets up. And I’m talking to you so don’t change my words. Common theme with you and ACU.

                15. Justice for ALL

                  No, I believe you are ONLY here, or anywhere, to serve yourself. And, I’m talking to you.

                16. Reality Is

                  Ok let me give you the answer you want. Yes you are right. 100% in everything you say and said. Yes. Yes. Yes. As I’m bowing down to you. 🙂

                17. Justice for ALL

                  Oh, that’s right, Reality Is Pat McKinley, you would never do that. You’re only concern is to protect the FPD status quo. That’s why your days are numbered.

                18. AntiCorruptionUnit

                  LOL, I know that’s tuff for you to do. Having a peasant question the almighty one.

                19. Justice for ALL

                  @Reality Is, you stated: “You aren’t a normal citizen.”

                  That seems to be a common theme with you and McKinley. That is how your sick mind and the FPD rationalizes what was done to Kelly Thomas, Dean Gochenour, Veth Mam and women in the back of squad cars.

                20. Jane H

                  “Do you think cops or public employees really feel they are there to serve you?”

                  This is where you got off track. You have become inured to the suffering of others, and that’s a bad thing Patrick.

                21. AntiCorruptionUnit

                  Captain RI, NOT for a second did I think you were a YOUNG Captain, STILL working with FPD or any neighboring agency spending 24/7 on the blog.

                  JUST crazy for a working copper to spend all that time on the blog. BUT you can Uncle Don, YOU have the time. SO do I.

                  Doing your best to sway opinion for a better understanding on FPD or the Kelly Thomas incident. A last ditch effort? Seems possible to me.

                  Those like myself who got down and dirty have seen your responses. YOU cannot do that when sitting at the dias. Guess you could, but your bravery is truly limited in real life, NOT your mind.

                  BUT YOU CAN on this blog. And so you have for 10 months.

                  YOUR Don Bankhead, maybe assisted from time to time by Pat McPension. ONLY cops could blather like you. YOU said others use your screen name I didn’t

                  Your motives are clear, YOUR regime is under fire, your facing recall, lawsuits, and NEITHER of you have experienced this much public pressure directed at YOU in your life time.

                  At least not for this length of time.

                  Many of your perks, immediate power is going to be gone SOON!!!! YOU are scared in REALITY. Your frustration comes out often. OLD MEN do that.

                  Guys like you as cops,supervisor,commander, chief, city councilman have NOT allowed to many without consequence to get away with questioning WHATEVER, with guys like you.

                  YOUR power and arrogance has grown and gotten out of control over several decades. Happening all over the country. NO Fullerton specific.

                  DECADES have gone by where you pretty much ran the show your way, many simply did not question it. But now MANY are.

                  But now that serious change is around the corner, YOU are having a difficult time dealing with that, are lashing out in the ONLY way you can, and NOT get your ass kicked by the populas that surrounds you.

                  If you really pushed the buttons in person like you do on the blogs, YOU would be in deep crap, because someone would do something stupid to you. YOUR a fool to think that would never happen.

                  Many on this blog still won’t make the connection that RI is Don Bankhead. It takes time, one has to pay attention to even come close to figuring out who you are.

                  Many have not kept track of the little comments you have made more than once, that point to you.

                  Many will NEVER understand or comprehend the significance in what your commentary could do for the civil action in the Thomas case alone.

                  Putting a name with a blogger under these circumstances justs opens up pandora’s box with all that is going on around here.

                  I am not sure that Tony,Chris,Travis and others make the connection in all that. If they don’t, don’t care, then they will NEVER be effective as they could be in time of controversy.

                  Their not cops or investigators who see a potential gold mine of ammunition your 24/7 commentary could provide in fighting several battles on various fronts. Political and otherwise.

                  Your lucky I have no personal ax to grind with you, if I did I be sitting at those council meetings EVERY Tuesday, and would introduce you to NEW chapter on PITA, or die trying.

                  I am only here RI because of you. But I can walk away from this site easier than you can. I just did it.

                  Thought it was time I come back and PESTER you for a while.

                  Have a great weekend.

                22. AntiCorruptionUnit

                  You better hurry up Don, because your going to need one of those electric chairs soon to get around.

                  I am sure I am going to need one at some point.

                  Thanks for playing the last 10 months, it’s been a hoot.

                23. Reality Is

                  Personnel matters are confidential. You know that. I’m retired now and I’m on the Fullerton city council. Is it June 5th yet?

                24. Justice for ALL

                  @ John Doe, That’s right. Just get out your Taser and crush and beat me to death..

                25. Justice for ALL

                  Ugly, sociopaths, no morals, no integrity, no compassion, no conscience, liars, huge egos, and apparently need a lot of viagra.

                26. Reality Is

                  You really need help JFA. You have serious mental issues. Please stay in your house and get new Meds. You aren’t normal. Please. You are a danger to yourself. Call 911. Maybe a cop will cum save you.

                27. Justice for ALL

                  Call 911? That’s the sickest joke I’ve heard all day!! You guys only know how to intimidate, harass, threaten with great bodily harm, strike with clubs, break skulls, collapse lungs, repeatedly Taser, suffocate by having six fat cops crushing down the thorax as hard as possible, and bash to a pulp the heads, necks and eyes of people with serious mental issues. You did all of that to Kelly, and he was just sitting on a bench minding his own business.

                  I hate to think what you’d do to me, especially since I dare to tell the world the truth about you. I know how much you must just LOVE having the world know what completely amoral, incompetent, evil, lying, murdering devils you are.

                  I need my eyes just a little bit longer, so I’ll decline your offer of “assistance.”

                  Oh, and what was my severe mental illness called again? Oh, yes, I believe that cops call it “HONESTY.” Evil cops, like you, can’t even begin to comprehend the meaning of the word; therefore, they believe it is a serious aberration when they find that quality in others.

                28. Anonymous

                  The severe mental illness that was completely ignored during the preliminary is called schizophrenia.

                  Schizophrenia is a complex mental disorder that makes it difficult to:

                  Tell the difference between real and unreal experiences

                  •Think logically

                  Have normal emotional responses,

                  Behave normally in social situations

                  Schizophrenia symptoms usually develop slowly over months or years. Sometimes you may have many symptoms, and at other times you may only have a few.

                  People with any type of schizophrenia may have difficulty keeping friends and working. They may also have problems with anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts or behaviors.

                  At first, you may have the following symptoms:

                  Irritable or tense feeling

                  •Difficulty sleeping

                  Difficulty concentrating

                  As the illness continues, problems with thinking, emotions and behavior develop, including:

                  Lack of emotion (flat affect)

                  •Strongly held beliefs that are not based in reality (delusions)

                  Hearing or seeing things that are not there (hallucinations)

                  •Problems paying attention

                  Thoughts “jump” between unrelated topics ( “loose associations”)

                  •Bizarre behaviors

                  •Social isolation

                  Paranoid schizophrenia symptoms may include:
                  •Anxious

                  •Angry or argumentative

                  •False believes that others are trying to harm you or your loved ones.

                  You see? He was not medicated. How is anyone to know what kind of reality he was actuallu in that night? It’s so sad that everyone thinks he was just a normal guy. He needed medication to function normally. Ron even said, he did not want to take the medication and did not want to be treated by physicians…so sad.

                  He probably did not understand the officers at all.

                  He was not of a normal mental state. He had schizophrenia!

                29. Justice for ALL

                  @Anonymous,
                  Kelly knew that he was being harrassed, teased, threatened with great bodily harm, beaten, Tasered, crushed, kicked, punched, bludgeoned and murdered. Kelly begged for his life. Kelly felt horrific pain. Kelly was murdered.

                30. Reality Is

                  Speaking of cockroaches. Clearly mental issues. Just let him keep eating right JFA? Of course you Nutball.

                  Report: Miami police shoot naked man chewing on victim’s face
                  By Jim Gold, msnbc.com
                  A Miami police officer fatally shot a naked man chewing the face of another man Saturday afternoon on a downtown causeway off-ramp, officials said.
                  The Miami Herald reported that the naked man chewed off half the face of his victim, who is struggling for his life.
                  The violence started at 2 p.m. on the MacArthur Causeway off-ramp, just south of the Herald’s offices, the newspaper said.
                  Witnesses said that a woman saw two men fighting and flagged down a police officer, who came upon the naked man mauling the other man, the Herald reported.

                  The officer, who was not identified, ordered the naked man to back away, but when the man continued the assault, the officer shot him, the Herald said. Witnesses told the Herald the wounded attacker continued to eat his victim, so the officer continued firing.
                  Witnesses said they heard at least a half-dozen shots, the Herald said.
                  The naked man was later seen lying face down on the pedestrian walkway just below the newspaper’s two-story parking garage, the Herald said.
                  The naked man’s victim was transported to Jackson Memorial Hospital Ryder Trauma Center, reportedly for treatment of critical injuries.
                  Neither man was identified.
                  Watch US News videos on msnbc.com
                  “Based on the information provided, our Miami police officer is a hero and saved a life,’’ Javier Ortiz, spokesman for Miami police’s Fraternal Order of Police, told the Herald.
                  The police department confirmed in a news release that there was a shooting, but did not include many details provided by witnesses to the newspaper.
                  Police requested the newspaper’s video surveillance video, the Herald reported.
                  The shooting and investigation tied up causeway traffic as crowds were arriving at South Beach for an annual Urban Beach Week hip-hop festival.

                31. Justice for ALL

                  Reality Is :
                  I’m not ugly. I’m hot n I take Viagra.

                  The truth is that you are a lying, egotistical sociopath, and you suffer from erectile dysfunction). Every time you lie, you just get uglier and uglier.

                32. John Doe

                  No I like using words better. That is what Kelly should of done, listened to words. He would still be with us today.

                33. Dough for brains

                  > No I like using words better.

                  and you fail miserably at it Jay Cincinelli.

                  > That is what Kelly should of done, listened to words.

                  Thanks for proving my point.

                34. Justice for ALL

                  John Doe stated :
                  “You don’t need all six to come up to bat. Just one will knock you guys out.”

                  JD, You should really try to figure out what you believe before you type; you seem very confused.

                  Do you want to “…knock you guys out.” as in your first statement, or, do you “…like using words better.” ?

                  If you would have tried “using words better” then you wouldn’t be facing murder charges right now.

                35. Justice for ALL

                  John Doe :
                  You don’t need all six to come up to bat. Just one will knock you guys out.

                  That’s right slugger. Just bring your baton and your Taser and then you can continue beating on me right where you left off with Kelly. Tough guy, aren’t you?

                36. Jane H

                  I want to know what the bottom line is for you. You seem to love setting yourself up for all these remarks.

                  What are you getting out of this?

                37. John Doe

                  Good job RI you are getting to them. They resort to not so nice words when they are mad.

                38. Justice for ALL

                  John Doe :
                  Good job RI you are getting to them. They resort to not so nice words when they are mad.

                  The truth can be very ugly. And, in the case of RI; the truth is very ugly indeed.

  9. Barry Levinson

    Admin: You are so right to point out how much these 4 officers have cost the taxpayer over the last 9-10 months they have been collecting a paycheck.

    However, your estimate I believe is too conservative. These are all veteran officers. Therefore, they make over 100K a year plus benefits that total upwards of 60% of their base pay. This means that we have shelled out over 500,000 dollars to these officers to be on extended holiday while waiting for justice to take place.

    How many out there would love to have a small piece of that 500,000 dollars to help make ends meet for themselves and their families.

    Does anyone here the word “REFORM” the police department and their personnel protections!

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    1. very long time fullerton resident

      Dear Mr. Levinson – I think the ‘protection’ you speak of is State Law. Talk to Norby about how to get things changed.

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  10. Jane H

    Yes they are. Mark my words.

    If my own mother, who is very liberal and gives everyone the benefit of the doubt, even criminals, tells me she thinks we are becoming a police state, then I believe it is serious enough for the laws to change.

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    1. Reality Is

      You are stating exactly why they won’t change. Hasty decisions without facts. Political decisions. Activist decisions. Nothing will change but good luck.

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      1. Jane H

        I’m not very concerned about your take on this, but because the world can see my response to your nonsense, I reply. And people can see what an arrogant person you are.

        Things are changing. That’s about the only constant in this world: change.

        My sister in Hawaii had some things to say about the Fullerton cops, and I won’t repeat them. Not necessary.

        The bottom line is that we, the citizens of the this country are sick of the abuse by LE all over the nation.

        Me entiendes?

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          1. Corrupt

            Yeah we all know that nothing that happens in other states will ever effect change in the United States…. California is completely protected from Federal and Judicial actions…. you are an idiot. So are your local schools still segregated? Is it illegal for a white woman to marry a black man in your city? How about all the free schooling that does not exist in America?… I could go on but we know that you are exempt from the truth.

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    2. AntiCorruptionUnit

      LOL Jane, many cops like to play golf. Most of the time it’s in hopes they will get noticed by their bosses.

      NO I don’t play golf.

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  11. Wrong Guy

    Great!!!

    Six less FPD officers to throw their weight around Fullerton.

    Gimme a “Hell Yeah”!

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  12. Citizen Cane

    The police officer bill ofrights are there for a reason. The primary reason is to protect communities from political corruption.. Let’s say hypothetically that a wealthy citizen bankrolls the campaigns for the majority of the city Council. Then that wealthy citizen’s son gets a ticket for speeding or is arrested. The wealthy citizen demands that the city manager and chief of police dismiss the charges against his son and fire the Officer. The police officers Bill of Rights insures due process for the officer. Police Officers can feel confident that they will not be persecuted politically for enforcing the law.

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  13. Fullerton Lover

    I said it the other day, and I’ll say it again, our acting Chief of Police, Capt. Dan Hughes, deserves a firm pat on the back, and not a kick in the ass.

    Dan Hughes has stood and delivered after his predecessors ran out the back door and left a big mess for him to clean up.

    That is leadership.

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    1. Anonymous

      The ones that ran out the door were retirement age. Why deal with this mess. Hell we are out of here. Hughes still has at least 5 years to go.

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  14. Anonymous

    Admin, stop spreading your lies. If you can not confirm this you are a big pot stirrer and liar!! The three remaining cops did not get notices of termination. The reason they stayed working on the street is because, after reviewing the video THAT night, Sellers, Hughes and Hamilton said they had done a great job!! It wasn’t until the DA got involved and wanted to showboat himself to the media did they were taken off the streets.

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  15. Orange Cape Hides Me

    The FPD contract with the City of Fullerton is up on June 30, 2014.

    Due to the number of unethical and criminal acts that have surfaced in the last few years involving a number of officers of the FPD, the City should give due consideration to alternative sources for Police Services.

    Big changes are in the future regardless of what certain naysayers post here. We have seen many positive outcomes and justice being served. Its been slow and every step of the way we have been told the FPD would be exonerated. The naysayers have been wrong

    Despite the slow process we (Kelly’s Army) have won every step of the way. Keep the faith and ignore the negativity.

    The karma bus will be swinging around in an even bigger way for the FPD when their contract is up with the City

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    1. very long time fullerton resident

      Fullerton is part of a multi-city, multi-year study into combining and centralizing certain police and fire duties in north OC.

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  16. Fullerton Lover

    Reality Is :
    Hint. This is the first time Fullerton has had an incident that they can review video. They don’t have dash cams like most PDs.

    Reality Is makes a great point about dash cams!

    I sincerely hope that the candidates that are on our City Council after June 5th heed RI’s advice, and ask Dan Hughes to start looking into possible federal grants available for purchasing dashboard cameras for each and every squad car.

    These devices can save reputations and lives by providing an objective account of interactions between police and residents.

    I also think that everyone conducts themselves in a more professional manner if they know that the cameras and mic.’s are going to hold them accountable afterwords.

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    1. Reality Is More Horrific

      > Reality Is makes a great point about dash cams!

      No he doesn’t because any criminal action will be done off camera.

      > I sincerely hope that the candidates that are on our City Council after June 5th heed RI’s advice,

      How about heeding the advice of common sense and get rid of all of the criminals and corruption by disbanding the department completely.

      Fullerton PD is bleeding the tax payers dry and this dash camera B.S is just another unnecessary expense.

      End the pensions.
      End the liabilities.
      End the corruption.
      End the Fullerton PD.

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      1. very long time fullerton resident

        Dear #62 – That’s called anarchy or utopia — neither are going to happen here.

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      2. Fullerton Lover

        The term “dash cams” is misleading. I’ve seen half-dome type of cameras that mount on the roof that has a 360 degree angle camera.

        If you think that video cameras have no value, how do you account for the value of the city sponsored camera that captured the murder of Kelly Thomas?

        How about the officer in Miami that stole the I-Pad?
        A: Video surveillance at the airport.

        How about the wrongful arrest and beating downtown of Veth Nam?
        A; Hand held video camera of onlooker.

        How about the Fullerton Police Officer Association President and Vice_President deciding to dust off their ticket books to cite supporters of the Kelly Thomas protest for honking their horns?
        A: Hand held video cameras of the protesters themselves showing the Fullerton police rolling out 5 patrol cars to cite one motorist for honking his horn.

        The objective value of being able to see a video of an incident clearly levels the playing field for the citizen, as anyone can tell you that has been to court, that despite the appearance of fairness, that most people will side with whatever the officer has written on their reports as the God’s honest truth… unless they have a video of the incident which would dispel the written report.

        Do you honestly think that some police officers try and confiscate people’s video cameras because they themselves need one?

        It’s because they don’t want their version of what just happened to be questioned in any way shape or form, and will sometimes do whatever it takes to confiscate or destroy cameras that may incriminate them.

        We recently experienced an incident within the FPD where an officer actually smashed his Digital Audio Recorder to bits rather than turn it over as evidence.

        This incident tells me that we should also be capturing the sights and sounds of the FPD in “real time” instead of trusting the officers to download these devices themselves.

        Whether or not it’s the FPD or the OCSD that ends up patrolling our city, these surveillance safeguards need to be in place to prevent further erosion of public trust with those individuals that are entrusted with the public’s safety.

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  17. Lisa

    Why did Kelly Thomas disobey EIGHT lawful police commands? Why did he resist arrest from beginning to end, first verbally, then physically? Why did he have stolen mail in his backpack? Why was he lifting door handles on cars in the Slidebar parking lot? Why wasn’t he at home living with the father who cared oh so much about him, instead of living on the streets?

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    1. Concerned Texan

      1. Kelly didn’t deliberately disobey EIGHT lawful police commands. He tried to comply with officers but was intentionally treated in a way to confuse him.

      2. He didn’t resist arrest. It was impossible for him to move and release his hands with 6 morbidly obese officers piled on top of him. The officers yelled “stop resisting” to make it appear that Kelly was doing just that.

      3. Kelly did not have stolen mail in his back pack, he had discarded mail in his back pack. The proper “owner” called police to verify that it was junk mail and that it wasn’t stolen.

      4. Kelly was not lifting door handles on cars in the Slidebar parking lot. He was sitting on a bench in front of the transit station.

      5. He wasn’t living at home because he was an adult with schizophrenia who wasn’t capable of being forced back home or being forced to take his medication. Ron gave him a home and had a room for him in his house which was the most he could legally do for Kelly.

      I hope this answers all your questions! Have a great day!

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      1. Anonymous

        He didn’t look confused to me he had no problem talking back to the officer. All he had to do was answer their questions instead he acted stupid and said he didn’t speak English. Does that sound like someone who is confused. Give me a break.

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        1. Corrupt

          He told Ramos he didnt know what he (ramos) was talking about… Ramos started the banter about languages….. It is right on the tape. Ramos was a smart ass swinging a baton in Kelly’s face and now he will go to prison for it.

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          1. Anonymous

            I saw the tape too and you are wrong. Ramos put with this idiot for 18 minutes. He gave him way to much time to act like an jackass.

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        2. Steve Brow

          He was mentally ill.

          I would probably be worried if you had a gun and a badge and were sent down to take care of a mentally ill man. A police officer has to retain his sense of reality, proportionality, and appropriateness while at the same time discerning the sense of reality that the mentally ill person is coming from. This is where Ramos failed.

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          1. Anonymous

            Yeah he was mentally ill so why didn’t the father or mother take care of him. Why should the cops know about his mental condition. Yeah an officer has to do all you said, but not for all that time when someone is being a jerk.

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            1. Steve Brow

              You are making rediculous dicotomies. Parents are not allowed by law to control a mentally ill adult without court order.

              If someone is of normal faculties and behaving badly, they are being a jerk. If they are intoxicated and doing the same it is handled differently. If the root cause is mental illness, it is another thing altogether. Part of the job of law enforcement is to make these determinations.

              The point is that the police did know Kelly.

              I don’t think that there is a standard that says cops can beat a person to death after “x” number of minutes being a jerk.

              If there are real police officers out their with your attitude, then the problem is obvious.

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              1. blessusall

                They beat him to death. It was wrong whether he was mentally ill or not. He was not behaving in an aggressive manner. He was obviously passive, actually. Ramos worked hard to try to escalate him and Kelly remained passive; he was running AWAY when the first bat was swung. I think Ramos got increasingly angry because he couldn’t get enough reaction out of Kelly to justify hitting or arresting him, or both. Exactly what was he being arrested for? The argument so far is that he was beaten to death for resisting arrest. What was the arrest?

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              2. blessusall

                These officers were cowards. There was already a demonstrated and documented history of FPD officers’ escalating violence and corruption. I don’t know what the day shift officers are like, but those guys working after dark were getting increasingly out of control. Someone should have intervened much sooner, and not just on these six, but also on others such as Rincon. People can cast aspersions on Kelly and his family all they want, it will not change the fact that six FPD officers beat an unarmed, shirtless, defenseless, passive, homeless schizophrenic man to death for no apparent reason. They did that because they could. It is as simple as that. They had been allowed to behave in a brutal way towards Fullerton citizens long before Kelly was murdered. They beat him because they could and because they believed they would get away with it. They probably thought no one would really care about a guy like Kelly. They were obviously completely wrong. When I first heard about this case, I did not know City Council meetings were broadcast live and archived. Eventually I figured it out and started watching them but I missed the first few months after the murder. I recently went back and watched those early Council meetings after Kelly was beaten to death and I was sincerely filled with awe by the turn out of Fullerton residents and people from surrounding areas who stood up and spoke out and demanded justice. There are still people who will choose not to stand idly by and do nothing when they see wrong being done; obviously there are many such good people in the City of Fullerton. It was heartwrenching to also see the hurt and betrayal reflected in the faces and words of the people who showed up to be voices for Kelly. Honestly, these are people who are champions for us all.

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              3. John Doe

                Ok..whatever you say. That makes it the police officers responsibility. To babysit and handle this idiots with kid gloves. Lets put the blame where the blame should be. Cathy Thomas and Ron Thomas.

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            2. peaches

              “why didn’t the father or mother take care of him”… You are so ignorant about familial interaction with people who are mentally ill; the family members care about them, but they aren’t always able to help them because that family member does not want help or won’t admit there is a problem.

              At some point the parents and other family members must let it go because they have done all they can do.

              So don’t you dare “blame” anyone’s parents!

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      2. Steve Brow

        One more point. Officer Ramos told Kelly that they were having to talk to him every night. Who was calling the police every night and what were they reporting? Alternately, what did the police see Kelly doing that innitiated these nightly contact? Gennaco has ignored these questions.

        There was one claim that Kelly was trying door handles in open public in an area under a city survielance camera. No one has confirmed this and many who interacted with Kelly regularly state that such an act was unlikely.

        The question is not why Kelly was there and why he did what he did. The question is what was the ongoing interactions between Kelly, the local business owners, and the police that led up to the murder of Kelly.

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        1. AntiCorruptionUnit

          Exactly Steve, not confirmed, and the video clearly suggest that door handle thing was AFTER the fact.

          But we know who was part of spreading that belief don’t we?

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        2. Reality Is

          Steve. Citizens call daily on transients and scavengers all over California. It’s only getting worse. Someone calling on a transient isn’t out of the ordinary. Happens daily or cops.

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          1. Steve Brow

            I realize that. In Hemet there has been a concerted effort to get the undesireables off of the main drag in a campaign called “Florida First”.

            The question is, was Kelly specifically being targeted by the local businesses and/or the police?

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            1. Steve Brow

              In February, I dropped my pick-up at Goodyear at Florida and Sanderson in Hemet and walked accross the street to Taco Bell. I saw ahead of me in the parking lot a man standing in the drive doing martial arts moves and then suddenly starting to walk again. Obviously he was either mentally ill or drugged out, but I discerned that he was harmless.

              I stepped out of the street and as he passed me a police car drove in his direction and the policeman called out the window to him. He made a U-turn and began to walk with me. The policeman called again for him to come over to the car and talk to him. After checking the cop’s gaze to make sure that he was not interested in my J-walking, I told the weird guy that I thought the cop wanted to talk to him.

              “I don’t want to talk to him”, he answered. “I talked to him yesterday!” I looked at the cop and shrugged. The cop made a U-turn, got out of the car and my new buddy complied to stop. I walked on, stopped to watch for awhile, and then went on my way. Two more cars drove up without sirens, and they had him sitting on the curb with feet outstrearched. When I came out of Taco Bell, they all were gone.

              Not dissimilar to the start of the Kelly Thomas incident, but a very different ending.

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              1. Reality Is

                Exactly. That’s how most contacts end with people about 50% there. This one had fuel on both ends. Fuel on fuel made fire.

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              2. blessusall

                I see a similar scene in my city–the movements you see are unfortunately side effects of antipsychotic medications combined with schizophrenic symptoms (believe me there are good reasons called horrendous side effects that make people not want to take the meds). But in my town, the officers are compassionate. They don’t automatically treat these folks as if they are doing something wrong, have done something wrong, or are planning to do something wrong. They have been trained. Since police officers are among the few professionals who can take someone against their will to a hospital for psychiatric care, they are important members of the treatment team, actually. I never realized how fortunate we are here to have officers who are seen as and behave as if they are partners with community agencies who treat these most vulnerable members of our society; I think that mentally ill people in our town seen our LEOs as community support, too. They are treated with dignity and respect, even when they are in a psychotic episode that causes them to behave in a disrespectful manner. I think some of the LEOs in my town may think I’m a bit nuts these days because whenever I have the chance, I thank them for their good services, I reference the Kelly Thomas murder, and I commend them for doing such a great job of protecting and serving us all, including people like Kelly. It’s sad in a way that I thank them for not hurting the mentally ill people in the community but bring them to us so they can receive the treatment and care that they need and deserve. The good news is that some of the LEOs seem somewhat disturbed by the idea that this is something to thank them for–as if there would be any other way. I really hope that there is a way to teach LEO in your corner of the world a better way to treat people.

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            2. Reality Is

              Did you hear about the rumor in New York that they have been offering free rides on greyhound buses to all transients to California selling that California is a better place for transients since its sunny most of the time? Terrific. Just what we need. California the most beautiful broken broke City in the US.

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        3. Anonymous

          He said we have to deal with you every night as a department whole not personally. An officer can use whatever words he needs to use to get the truth out of a uncooperative person.

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        4. The Fullerton Harpoon

          That question has been asked many times and has been ignored by the cops and the DA, and Gennaco, too, no doubt.

          Lots of folks believe that there was indeed a conspiracy between the bar owner and at least one or two of the cops to teach Kelly a lesson. If such a conspiracy existed the implications would be pretty bad to contemplate: a can of worms that nobody on the “prosecution team” would want to talk about.

          However its bound to come out in a civil trial. Mardirossian will see to that.

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    2. Fullerton Lover

      I would REALLY like to see the city owned downtown camera footage from July 5, 2011, that purports to show Kelly Thomas lifting door handles of vehicles that were parked in the public parking lot near the Slidebar Cafe.

      This parking area is directly beneath where the city owned cameras are positioned, so this footage should put to rest whether or not the caller from the Slidebar Cafe was fabricating evidence on Kelly Thomas to get a heightened response from the FPD in the same manner that we had recently saw in Pasadena, where a 911 caller claimed that a couple of kids had brandished a weapon, and the police response by shooting the unarmed kids.

      The 911 caller is now facing serious prison time for fabricating the part of his 911 call that said the kids were armed when they were not.

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      1. Concerned Texan

        I have not read one article regarding a camera which purports to show Kelly Thomas lifting door handles of vehicles. I would like to see any video which exonerates Kelly of this accusation. Admin, do you have any information on this? Has Ron responded to these allegations in kind?

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      2. concerned fullertonian

        The camera was most likely pointed at the slidebar where Kelly allededly was prior to 8:45 pm july 5th.

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        1. Concerned Texan

          Do you know if anyone has watched this video? If the camera was pointing towards the Slidebar, does that mean it doesn’t show the view of the parking lot. I was honestly under the impression that the call to the police concerning Kelly had been thoroughly debunked.

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      3. Anonymous

        You don’t have to see a camera cause if it goes to trial there will be a witness that said Kelly was seen doing that.

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        1. AntiCorruptionUnit

          A slidbar employee, hmm.

          But that doesn’t explain why nothing in the video supports that contention.

          Still seems to be AFTER the fact that DOES not justifie the initial contact as seen on the video.

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          1. John Doe

            The video camera was angled at another site when Kelly was messing with the car handles. It wasn’t until the officer arrived did they zoom to them. Gee you are stupid.

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            1. AntiCorruptionUnit

              Funny no one from the slidbar came out to let those two cops know now did they.

              I didn’t hear anyone talking about playing with door handles in the video did you?

              I could have missed that. But if true then Kelly was a suspected car burglar and should have been made to sit down and relinquish his back pack sooner than 10 minutes after contact.

              The only thing I heard Ramos and Wolfe talking about was the MAIL in the back pack.

              Would you call me stupid to my face? Or would you need a half dozens of your brothers to back your play?

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        2. Concerned Texan

          Witnesses lie, especially when it comes to those whom favor the FPD. There will also be witnesses who will say that Kelly was not seen doing that. A camera would have been solid evidence so of course, it doesn’t exist.

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          1. John Doe

            Like you said witnesses lie. I wish the camera was able to take the sucker punch that Kelly got Officer Wolfe in the forehead. And how he grabbed Officer’s Ramos baton. Yeah I wish the camera would of taken all the angles. So you could of seen your defensive Kelly acting like a wild man.

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            1. Concerned Texan

              There was no sucker punch from Kelly. There was no photograph of a cut or a bruise on Wolfe’s forehead. Kelly was defensive because by the time Wolfe swung the first baton blow, with Ramos in tow, the unlawful FPD beating and murder had begun. The officers lied in their statements and were given the chance to collaborate in order to fabricate some sort of consistency in their tale of the incident.

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              1. John Doe

                CT..were you at the prelim..The photograph was shown there.
                So if you weren’t there. I suggest you stay out of it.

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    3. Friendly Neighbor

      Oh Lisa. Why are you so ignorant? Why do you trolls always say the same thing? Why do none of you trolls have an original thought in your little heads? Why oh why Lisa?

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  18. Anonymous

    Johnny Donuts..You are so stupid, it makes me laugh. I will tell you Lisa. He disobeyed because he was a smart mouth jerk, he had mail that didn’t belong to him in a stolen backpack. He was lifting car doors to see if a car was opened so he could go in there and steal whatever he could. He wasn’t at home living with his dad because his dad had disowned him 10 years ago and was tired of picking him up at police stations when he was called about Kelly. He resisted all the way.

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    1. Concerned Texan

      Ps. The back pack wasn’t stolen. The proper owner left it at the transit station, so at worst it was abandoned. It’s not like FPD Officer Mejia who deliberately stole someones ipad from an airport conveyor belt and hid it under her fried chicken.

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      1. Anonymous

        Yeah if someone left it there is it free for all? How about telling someone from the train station you had found it. There is plenty of employees always walking around the train station.

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        1. Concerned Texan

          Kelly had schizophrenia, he did not process events the way a mentally healthy individual would have.

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          1. John Doe

            He was fine. His schizophrenia didn’t kick in until he was rolling on the ground with the officers.

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            1. merijoe

              Jesus, listen to Kelly-you can pick up in 3 seconds of him talking that he had issues-that is, of course, you have to actually have a bit of compassion and some reasoning power to figure that out.

              Dirty low down killers.

              Expect consequences for actions and soon. Everyone has to.

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          2. truthseeker

            Ok lets follow the logic of those that THINK they are on the inside of the power structure in this police state. By the way the system eventually always turns on its own so good luck. When the thousands of drones are rolled out run by kids raised on playing satanic video games backed by brownshirt contractors you and your families’ poor souls will not only be spiritually bankrupt but financially as well. Hunger games anyone? I digress. Kelly didn’t cooperate and didn’t want to answer questions? Ok so did the FPD 6. Therefore should it logically follow that they they should have been given the same treatment by the prosecutors that Kelly got?-after all they refused to talk to the DA about the crimes that they committed.The DA is the higher level LE and therefore has the right to demand cooperation with tasers and batons according to the flawed logic outlined previously. It is hard for me to reduce my thought process to the level that is exuded by the backers of the guilty.

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            1. Reality Is

              It’s complex.

              They can be ordered to talk for an internal disciplinary investigation. Those statements can’t be used for the criminal side or the prosecution if it goes criminal.

              No one can order them to talk on the criminal side. They are read their Miranda rights just like the everyday criminal and if they never want to talk they never have to. Same rights afforded to every citizen.

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              1. truthseeker

                I was being over simplistic for effect and you know that. If only there were an = instead of > or < with respect to how "civilians" are to be treated.

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              2. AntiCorruptionUnit

                When you work for a corupt PD, internal affairs investigators WILL leak statements made to them to the right people.

                But if the feds are doing the investigation, POBR does not apply.

                You should also know the feds can get and use Internal Affairs statements in criminal prosecution. POBR is useless in the federal courts.

                One cannot refuse to talk to a federal investigator without consequence if your a witness only.

                Lie to a federal investigator whoever you are, get charged with a felony. NOT the case with local investigators.

                How do I know that, some in the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department just found that out the hard way.

                The response from those involved, OH SHIT!!!!!

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        2. Concerned Texan

          And does your comment apply to FPD Officer Mejia who STOLE someone’s iPad out of a conveyor belt bin? Shouldn’t she have left it in the bin because it WASN’T abandoned. There were plenty of TSA agents on hand.

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    2. Wrong Guy

      Hey Anonymous, pull your head out of your ass and get back in that kitchen and get your abusive cop husband a drink!

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      1. Anonymous

        I am not married to a cop, I am married to a lawyer who thinks all you cynical people are hilarious.

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  19. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Reality Is :
    Yes Mr know it all.
    If they fired him it would never ever hold up. Even a wanna be cop like you knows that he would be the last one fired in a huge investigation like this. It would be after a county and federal investigation, which takes at least a year. You have to have facts to fire not hastily made pressured decisions, that’s why POBAR is in place.
    I said he would be in the same spot. His work comp was an existing claim. If they fired him on July 10th he still will get his pension and 50% tax free. It was already approved a year before. It couldn’t be taken back by this council.
    Yes you can be wrong know it all.
    Sorry you couldn’t achieve a longevity retirement like him.

    Ok Banghead, go into the government code and find the SPECIFIC section of POBR that protects SELLERS from a similiar investigation that the other 6 went through.

    Or put his employement contract up for public view that would protect him in a DIFFERENT way than the others.

    Sellers put in for his retirement to beat the rap by getting out of dodge before things got to hot.

    But in REALITY he can be charged with criminal acts and administrative misconduct, thus stripping him of his badge and right to carry a firearm.

    But YOU show us the law that prevents or protects Sellers from the same fate as the other 6?

    Put up or shut up Mr. I haven’t been a cop since 1988!!!

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    1. AntiCorruptionUnit

      I remember you BOASTING about how FPD just got their contract renewed before a new council was in place, JUST in case.

      That’s just like you all did with Sellers by allowing him to skip out the back door.

      YOUR corrupt to the core pal!!!

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      1. Reality Is

        Contracts are paper. Was pointing out that no one is going to cut their pay and benefits by 50%. Not even 20%. You know that. Only cut will be if OCSD. I think as individuals they are better off with OCSD. They know that too. Then they can go work in Laguna and leave the F hell hole.

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  20. Alby Al

    Hey Lisa, long time no see baby! My abs are so hard for you right now, see you at the gym sugar tits.

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  21. Hog Wild

    And LE is sick of all the law breakers that cause things like this to happen all over the nation.

    Did you even think that it goes both ways?

    If there were not so many criminals who push law enforcement to the limit, this would not be happening. Sometimes an incident like KT is the breaking point.

    And I don’t know where the Chief is getting his info. Cops have always been able to look at videos and write their reports.

    After a report is written it is then submitted to superiors for review. The reports submitted that night were submitted and o.k.ed by those in charge. Most of the changes made were grammatical. If there had been serious errors in the report, the officers would not have gone home until those errors were corrected. Remember, the superiors are the ones who have the final say o a report.

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    1. Concerned Texan

      Most of the changes were grammatical you say? Why doesn’t that surprise me. Can you please have all your terrible posts re-written as to be grammatically correct before you post them on this blog.

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  22. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Citizen Cane :
    The police officer bill ofrights are there for a reason. The primary reason is to protect communities from political corruption.. Let’s say hypothetically that a wealthy citizen bankrolls the campaigns for the majority of the city Council. Then that wealthy citizen’s son gets a ticket for speeding or is arrested. The wealthy citizen demands that the city manager and chief of police dismiss the charges against his son and fire the Officer. The police officers Bill of Rights insures due process for the officer. Police Officers can feel confident that they will not be persecuted politically for enforcing the law.

    YEP that was the legislative intent of POBR.

    POBR enacted to protect cops against TYRANT managers or bosses.

    That due process is for ALL cops.

    It even protect Sellers from a tyranical City Manager or City Council.

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      1. AntiCorruptionUnit

        Remember what I said before, POBR CANNOT stop a Chief or Sheriff from firing ANY employee for misconduct.

        POBR is to ensure those STEPS taken to fire the employee WERE followed, NOTHING more.

        POBR did not stop Hughes from firing 3 so far.

        If Hughes violated POBR in the process of those firings, THEN it will be an issue that will take place sometime in the future during civil service process.

        If POBR is not an issue then the evidence to support the firing will be challenged.

        JUST like a procedure that must be followed when cops arrest citizens. PROCEDURES must be followed.

        If not, then the firing will be set aside and the cop is given his job back.

        Neither side is prevented from appealing the other side decision.

        The process can take from 3-5 years. Sometimes much sooner.

        The cop in question is still NOT working during all this.

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        1. Reality Is

          Lol you re so dumb.

          You say that now after the investigation is completed. You know Hughes couldn’t fire anyone in July.

          Go back to your nap or work out with Alby Al.

          🙂

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    1. Reality Is

      You finally said something half right. Not bad for a wanna be cop that had to medically retire due to stress.

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      1. AntiCorruptionUnit

        Again YOU are wrong. NO MEDICAL retirement due to stress or ANY other medical issues as you continue to BLATHER ABOUT old man.

        Your short on facts, your theory is lacking like most of your comments.

        You keep trying old timer. Don’t fight the modern war with out dated tactics, YOU won’t look the fool as much.

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        1. Reality Is

          If you only knew.

          I’ve shown the video to 19 briefings as of today from 14 different local PDs. 2 hour training class.

          What do you thing the patrol cops thought of the video? Do you think they all thought the cops did nothing wrong? That they all said they go through similar struggles all the time? That they would have done the same thing?

          Your answer will dictate how in touch or out of touch you are with reality in 2012.

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            1. Reality Is

              Yes Doe. It’s a great teaching and learning experience. I’m sure you know the response from every street cop so far.

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          1. peaches

            hmmm… “I’ve shown the video to 19 briefings as of today from 14 different local PDs. 2 hour training class. ”

            There are two names that come to mind reading this – one is from Fullerton PD, the other from Santa Ana PD and both are or have been training officers/consultants – not sure if either one is retired, although both certainly are old enough to be retired…

            And, who approved re-broadcast of the video for briefings? Is the training intended to show LEOs how NOT to kill someone?

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              1. Concerned Texan

                There are many versions on youtube. Your presentation is not worth much unless you have an official copy of the video with audio in its entirety.

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            1. Concerned Texan

              If the briefing is supposed to show how not to kill someone, then I think the Kelly Thomas Murder video is a poor example to highlight.

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          2. AntiCorruptionUnit

            Who are you to decide whether I am in touch with reality in 2012?

            I have been in those struggles myself either one on one or with more than one suspect or cop present. Few and far between I might add.

            Fortunately for me, I had an audio tape or video that DID NOT show what we saw on the Kelly Thomas video, and left little doubt that,

            1. It did not appear I was on a fishing expedition.

            2. I told the suspect he or she was under arrest, gave that person an opportunity to submit to arrest before all hell broke loose.

            3. If they were felony suspect(s) it was clear from my video or DAR that those involved were told why they were suspects, what was expected of them and what would happen if they did not complie with the orders.

            4. If we are talking about pedestrain checks such as this, MY DIOLAGUE was clear from MINUTE 1 what was up. And it was NOT laced with F this or that unless other forms of communication FAILED.
            General banter that was fair but firm, and in 99% cases the suspect was taken into custody without ANY problems.

            5. I was fortunate enough to have more than a couple CITIZEN eye witnesses that gave statements that were consistant with my actions verified by my video or DAR.

            6. If within seconds of that contact I was attacked, then the FIGHT was on.

            7. If I intended to arrest anyone for any offense they were in handcuffs as quickly as possible.

            8.If I needed back up, once it arrived that person was taken into custody quickly when ever possible.

            Until back up arrived I was being the best car salesman as possible, to avoid a one on one confrontation. BUT if attacked, I responded accordingly.

            How many of those cops you showed that video too, said their fight resulted in serious injury or death?

            THOSE are the guys I’d want to talk with.

            The first 12 minutes of this video IS NOT favorable to those involved in this specific case.

            If you disagree, THEN go bust DA RACKS balls, because he is the one who filed charges, NOT ME.

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            1. AntiCorruptionUnit

              So Captain RI tell us HOW many fights and shootings you have been in, FOLLOWED by IA’s and civil rights lawsuits, and YOU came out smelling like a rose.

              And of course DON’T hesistate to be specific in any of that.

              YOUR TITLE is meaning less unless YOU been there and done that.

              Playing Howard Kossel ALL or most of your career qualifies you as WHAT?

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              1. For the record

                You’re going to get yourself outed if you don’t shut it. That’s not good for anyone.

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    1. Concerned Texan

      Most of the pro FPD comments are written in such a way that exposes an inferior educational skill level and poor navigation of the English language. The blogs themselves are written quite well actually.

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  23. Hog Wild

    The firing of an employee has absolutely nothing to do with the filing of a workers’ comp claim. WC claims can be filed years after and it is all legal. Happens all the time. And a person who has filed a claim cannot be fired while on WC.

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      1. Reality Is

        You can be fired. The termination can’t affect your existing WC claim if it was filed prior to the incident causing termination. So you could be fired but still get a medical retirement or percentage disability settlement.

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      2. Orange Cape Hides Me

        That’s a very thin line and most employers will pend the termination until some time after the injured employee returns to work.

        If not done with great care and timing, its considered retaliation

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  24. Former DUKE OF EARL

    OK. Fine. The six murderers are no longer employees of the taxpayers.

    Step 2 – Into court for FIRST DEGREE MURDER.

    Step 3 – Proven to be guilty with rock solid evidence readily available.

    Step 4 – Punishment.

    Suggestion: All six are hung by their necks simultaneously directly on the physical location they slaughtered a 150 pound, innocent, unarmed, harmless U.S. citizen.

    Suggested background music during the hanging >>> I WILL SURVIVE by Gloria Gaynor played at the highest AUDIO level possible again, again and again.

    >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBR2G-iI3-I

    God Bless Kelly Thomas.
    Moral accountability for the murderers.
    AMEN.

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  25. Lucky

    Its just about the upcoming election if you ask me. But believe me we still need to OUST the Three Amigos.

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  26. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Hog Wild :
    The firing of an employee has absolutely nothing to do with the filing of a workers’ comp claim. WC claims can be filed years after and it is all legal. Happens all the time. And a person who has filed a claim cannot be fired while on WC.

    Correct, but if the WC claim is filed to avoid the discipline process, then it CAN be challenged.

    You most often see this take place with managment. IE Sellers.

    If ones misconduct contributes the the WC claim, that too can be challenged.

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    1. Reality Is

      And if the WC claim was investigated and approved prior to the incident? I’m helping you here lol

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      1. AntiCorruptionUnit

        But who investigated the claim? The very City officials involved in this scandal?

        Or was in Gennaco?

        Investigate the WC claim, but not the potential misconduct prior to or after is not going to help you.

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        1. Reality Is

          Every WC claim is investigated, even the presumptive ones like back, heart, etc.

          Yes, HR does all of them but they are usually subcontracted out to an outside lawyer as well.

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          1. AntiCorruptionUnit

            I know you administrators have that stuff down pat.

            A good thing to know when the seas get choppy.

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          2. Orange Cape Hides Me

            They are investigated by the insurance company on risk for the claim, not the HR department. The insurance company has physicians and private investigators on contract for this purpose.

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  27. The Tax Payers of Fullerton just cannot win

    At least they can be sued and if 6 of their employees did that to Kelly Thomas not only would they have been fired that night, they would have notified the authorities.

    That is the difference between government between public and private industry.

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  28. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Reality Is :
    I’m never at a loss for words ol fart. You know that by now. I know you are full of crap and you thrive for acceptance in life. Standard cop retiree.
    You are old. I’m a young Captain with 25 years on and enjoy my job. You had to bail out early due to pressure and now you are like a lost puppy. Lol

    Well your a young dumshit then.

    Now here is your next challenge, TELL everyone the the PRESSURE I faced and needed to bail out?

    The specifics behind that asseration. Approximate dates and times would be nice.

    NO YOU said awhile back that your an old man.

    But since your an FPD Captain then you should have faced off with me long ago.

    Weren’t sure you could handle a real challenge since you would not be able to control the conversation is a real bitch.

    This old man can still ride in the rodeo. It’s obvious you cannot.

    If your telling the truth which I doubt, then thank you for letting us know YOUR not the Sergeant from Pomona PD.

    So Captain, tell everyone about me and be specific?

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    1. Reality Is

      I’m no dummy. Providing you your info could lead to a crime right? JDIC? NCIS? Raps? Naaaaaa I’ll let your pea brain stew over it. You found your nitch FFFF. When this is over where will you go? By the way why would Hughes ever want to debate any loser like you? That’s ludicrous. Debating anti police people has no point. You can’t change the opinion of activists no matter how you educate them. Even you know that.

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      1. AntiCorruptionUnit

        Again YOUR a dummy, YOU said yourself let’s hope that happens, YOU encouraged it FOOL!!!

        I think you said something to the effect, ” hopefully ACU will come out of that meeting with a different perspective if he keeps an open mind”.

        Now you say this. LOL, much like a Captain to change direction in a moments notice and never realizing it.

        There is nothing BAD about me in any of those data banks you mention.

        YOU made the comments NOW back them up.

        If you did look, YOU did commit a crime without a legal basis.

        YOU educate me Captain. LMAO!!!!!!

        YOUR I am bitchen, YOUR not is SHOWING…

        Your running your mouth, and your not backing anything up with specifics.

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        1. Reality Is

          Only because you are closed minded and never worth a one sided debate. Would rather educate people with an open mind. There are many good citizens in Fullerton with an open mind and want the best, unlike you. Stick to the high desert and the sand.

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              1. AntiCorruptionUnit

                WRONG again, because you don’t know what I do for other cops in my spare time.

                I just don’t like Police Administrators who are corrupt or support corruption within their own circle.

                And again dummy, you never bothered to find out why am might be disgruntled one way or another.

                In your ELITIST mind, there appears to be no reason for being anything other than someone like yourself.

                Chipper and full of BS for the most part.

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          1. AntiCorruptionUnit

            I perfer my education to be IN PERSON Captain.

            That way I can feel comfortable about one CREDIBILITY.

            I never have had much stock in INTERNET educations when arguing with administorators who might be nothing but YES men.

            When they BLATHER about whatever, I like to say, “SHOW ME” how that works.

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  29. JustUs

    My guess is that the feebies had a heart to heart with Hughes and told him that the other shoe is about to drop. So Hughes is left with no choice but to get out in front of it. That way he saves some face when the bad news finally hits the mainstream press. There is major pressure coming from somewhere. Cops just don’t wake up in the morning and decide to do other cops without being prodded.

    That’s my guess.

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        1. AntiCorruptionUnit

          Your just more right that one needs to be prodded to get to where were at right now.

          If one had woken up in the morning and did the right thing, WE would not be having these discussions.

          Just my thoughts.

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          1. AntiCorruptionUnit

            WRONG again and if you would have had the fortitude early on and met with me, then you would know how that is not true.

            You only need to go back to some of my first posting to know that comment is baseless.

            Typical administrator, throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks.

            It never sticks when a person can pull it off the wall and throw it right back at you.

            THAT is where you boys fail to often. Just not to many folks out there willing to do that.

            I’ve rode in those rodeo’s more than once. It’s obvious you haven’t.

            But you keep trying cowboy.

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              1. AntiCorruptionUnit

                And you have been on the Internet when you should be working on TEACHING everyone how to be a good cop.

                Or did you just lie to everyone and tell us your a Captain with 25 years on, when your really Don Bankhead who is retired and takes meds.

                I take NO MEDS pal.

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                1. AntiCorruptionUnit

                  Oh Captain RI, there is no doubt you post under various screen names, I just wish I had the control of the blog like the administor does and compare IE addresses.

                  ANYONE who needs to post under various screen names to try and win and argument should be taking MEDS, especially if they claim to be a cop or police administrator.

      1. JustUs

        You need to define a ‘dirty cop’.

        I say it’s any cop who fails to state the truth in an official report or who lies on the stand. Those are 2 examples of a ‘dirty cop’. Yet that behavior is widespread in law enforcement. I don’t see any of the ‘good cops’ protesting the ‘dirty cops’, do you? The so-called ‘good cops’ remain silent because they would get washed out. Anyone who understands police culture knows this.

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        1. AntiCorruptionUnit

          THERE YA go JustUs bingo!!!!

          Better know as the disgruntled cop!!! But no real explanation given when labeled that.

          Just throw the crap out there and HOPE it sticks.

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  30. Chris

    As I said before, I REALLY wish the admins would post the IP addresses of all the trolls once and for all, so we can dispense with all the bullcrap. There are so many idiots here posting under multiple screen names. Again, they’re doing that to try to create the ILLUSION that other people are thinking the same way. It happens all the time on message boards. They’ll even create multiple different email accounts.

    Lisa, Anonymous, and several others are all the same person. Reality Is has also posted under multiple different names.

    It’s not worth trying to argue with any of them, because several of them are all the same idiots who come here to troll. That’s all.

    So admins, I understand you don’t want to censor dissent…but this is NOT legitimate dissent. This is one or two trolls posting under multiple screen names, just to clog up the board with idiotic comments and riling people up.

    On other message boards I’ve been on, which used older software, you could easily just right click and go to “View Page Source.” That would show the HTML code, which would show the IP address for each comment. Too bad that doesn’t work here. Otherwise we could see once and for all that most of the trolls are all the same person.

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  31. Chris

    As I said before, I REALLY wish the admins would post the IP addresses of all the trolls once and for all, so we can dispense with all the bullcrap. There are so many idiots here posting under multiple screen names. Again, they’re doing that to try to create the ILLUSION that other people are thinking the same way. It happens all the time on message boards. They’ll even create multiple different email accounts.

    Lisa, Anonymous, and several others are all the same person. Reality Is has also posted under multiple different names.

    It’s not worth trying to argue with any of them, because several of them are all the same idiots who come here to troll. That’s all.

    So admins, I understand you don’t want to censor dissent…but this is NOT legitimate dissent. This is one or two trolls posting under multiple screen names, just to clog up the board with idiotic comments and riling people up.

    On other message boards I’ve been on, which used older software, you could easily just right click and go to “View Page Source.” That would show the HTML code, which would show the IP address for each comment. Too bad that doesn’t work here. Otherwise we could see once and for all that most of the trolls are all the same person.

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  32. Tuco Ramirez

    Its nice to see that the Fullerton taxpayers have wasted 10 months of pay on 6 officers who have done NO WORK! Then there are others of course who were charged with various offenses like stealing, sexual assault, etc. FPD is amazing in its seeming unending waste of tax monies. No wonder switching too the Sheriff’s Department will save 35%! All this is truly mindboggling. We have Kelly Thomas to thank for the release of all this real info on how a police department is run. (into the ground, that is!)

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    1. Reality Is

      Tuco. Sheriffs departments process is even slower. They usually barely make the one year limit which causes discipline to be not possible at all. So if you actually compare IA complaints from start to finish, FPD is quicker than OCSD. Smaller makes quicker lol. Bigger isn’t always better lol. Quality over quantity lol. 🙂

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      1. AntiCorruptionUnit

        THAT to is BS Captain RI.

        YOU continue to give out these analogy’s that ARE NOT supported by specific facts.

        It a simple, TRUST me because I said so.

        The average IA is 3 to 4 months depending on the complexity of the issues.

        You have bad mouth OCSD more than once without specific explanation.

        I am sure Sheriff Hutchins would not mind calling BS on you if given the opportunity.

        Or maybe you thought the Mike Corona regime was more on target?

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  33. Brandon

    What I want to know is why didn’t Cicinelli and Ramos’ parents do a better job raising them. I mean Cicinelli obviously had some mental issues after losing an eye on the force. What kind of parents don’t help a mentally imbalanced son to get psychiatric care so he doesn’t bash in people’s heads for fun. And what about Ramos’ parents. Couldn’t they see he was becoming morbidly obese and had some serious anger issues? If they were any kind of parents they would have got him counseling and a personal trainer….Oh wait, parents can’t control adult children. Guess all the people who have been trying to blame the Thomas family for not taking better care of Kelly don’t understand that.

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    1. blessusall

      If Cicinelli had damage to his brain from the gunshot wound, then TBI would be a big issue and definitely a good reason why he should not have been working as a police officer. Poor impulse control and explosive anger are side effects of traumatic brain injury that would make him way more dangerous than only having one eye. I have seen calm and complacent people with traumatic brain injury become raging and aggressive in a split second.

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      1. Anonymous

        This is what I’ve been thinking all along!

        That photo of him being held up and wearing the helmet suggests there is a lot more to his injury than just losing an eye.

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    2. John Doe

      Both their parents did a fabulous job of raising both Ramos and Cicinelli. They were both all American kids growing up. Jay went into the military and Manuel became a volunteer fireman before deciding that he wanted to be a cop.
      Jay was cleared of all medical issues that is why he became a cop in Fullerton. How do you know, maybe Manuel’s parent want a little chubby boy. At least they weren’t roaming the streets pissing and crapping in public and eating out of trashcans. That is the difference between Ron Thomas and their parents.

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            1. Dough for brains

              > Both their parents did a fabulous job of raising both Ramos and Cicinelli.

              Stop talking about yourself in 3rd person Jay.

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  34. AntiCorruptionUnit

    If 20 years is too short for you, OKAY!!!

    Some of us spent our time working, others kissing ass and counting beans for 20 years.

    You still haven’t told us how much FANNY you kicked in your day.

    NO WAR metals you can show if challenged?

    THERE you go with that I am a commander so there is no way you could know or be superior to me.

    HOW BIG IS THAT MIRROR in your office, or is it in the men’s locker room?

    I am not talking about EVERY commander at this point, JUST YOU!!!!!!

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  35. AntiCorruptionUnit

    BRAVO Justice for ALL, BRAVO!!!!

    YOU might be wrong just a touch on the brotherhood thing.

    I think his interests are for self serving managers, the troops be damned if it comes down to him or them.

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    1. AntiCorruptionUnit

      YOU wish that was true. One just has to read the words carefully and make the connection.

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    2. Jane H

      There you go with the lying again. It’s been you all along. You were talking about golf the other day. Let’s see…there’s a cop in Pomona who likes to play golf.

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  36. Hot Roasting Cop Balls

    What about cop #6, the last cop to show up? I thought he didn’t really participate. Is it fair to fire that guy too. Maybe he’s guilty of not preventing it, I don’t know. I’m just asking if he’s as guilty of the other five? Or, better put, is he criminally liable at all?

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  37. merijoe

    More of the greast hits courtesy of Capt Crunch:

    231 by Reality Is on August 17, 2011

    That led to it. The beating was a result of Kelly’s choice to act suspicious and run when contacted by the police. When caught, he fought. He got his due.

    242 by Reality Is on August 17, 2011

    Tough guy. You sure talk a good game.
    (talking about the previous commenter)

    He did not retire. He was fired. He was a wanna be deputy. His morals and ethics were terrible, as they are still today.
    (talking about Ron Thomas)

    You can watch all you want. We will smile at you and move on. You can’t affect anyone
    (talking about the previous commenter who stated that he uses tax paid computers to comment as well as taxpayer time and the tax paid internet connections and that we are watching them)

    #256 by Reality Is on August 17, 2011

    It’s made up BS on how it happened. Use the facts. Facts show force was necessary. The amount is up to the DA. Video will show the amount used could be reasonable. It will be up to a jury

    in reply to this:

    LeRoy Murray August 17, 2011:
    According to witnesses he was just sitting minding his own business. The “breaking into cars” was allegedly a code designed by the police for a business owner, possibly/probably The Slide Bar, to get quicker response and get the homeless moved along. A boycott of the Slide Bar is a good idea. Allegedly one of the cops, put on a pair of leather gloves as he walked up to Mr. Thomas, saying “these hands are going to kick your ass,” and Mr.Thomas ran in terror. They caught him and bashed his face into the concrete curb, beat him, kicked and hit him, beat him with the butt of a tazer, Tazed him at least 6 times, drop kneed him in the face and throat and this went on for 15 or so minutes, going on with shouts to “stop resisting” long after Mr. Thomas was unconcious and probably already brain dead. My question “Lawyer Bob,” does running in fear, deserve being killed in this manner?

    #259 by Reality Is on August 17, 2011

    Love how the activists get so mad and butt hurt when people disagree with their whacked out opinions.

    #263 by Reality Is on August 17, 2011

    Try it. Let me know how it goes. You couldn’t prove the first step in this pipe dream.

    In reply to this:

    262 by County Clerk on August 17, 2011
    Anybody can be sued. Personally I like this idea. But I would go after McPension, too. He created the monster through 20 years of careful nurturing.

    by Reality Is on August 17, 2011

    His son was murdered but he hadn’t talked to his son in 10 years! He could have cared less about his son. Oh he loved him now though. Using 15 year old pictures and putting on a front of love and father son relations. I guess $10 million will do that to you.

    #295 by Reality Is on August 17, 2011

    It’s public knowledge. He abandoned him years ago. Ron Thomas is that kind of person. His character is questionable in a big way.

    Murder. Won’t happen. You will see. Reality Is…..

    #435 by Reality Is on August 17, 2011

    Good luck. won’t happen. You can try all you want just like all the trying you are doing on here with the lies and deceit, but this is one thing that will never happen 100% guranteed. Again, you little activist trolls don’t know what reality is. Keep dreaming.

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  38. cg

    RI and ACU. As far as I can tell, your both old fools, but very entertaining, like WWE, only in words.

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  39. 2ND RESPONSE FROM FRIENDS OF JAY!!!

    ………….I know it can be frustrating to be in your shoes. Understand something, there is nothing you can say to cause worry, fear, or even upset us. We have been dealing with people like you for almost a year. I admit when this first started there were moments of uncertainty, but the one thing I know is that God is there for us and will continue to be. So if it makes you feel better to personally attack Officer Cicinelli and family, go ahead. We will pray for your eternal salvation.

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  40. 2ND RESPONSE FROM FRIENDS OF JAY!!!

    2ND RESPONSE FROM FRIENDS OF JAY!!! :………….I know it can be frustrating to be in your shoes. Understand something, there is nothing you can say to cause worry, fear, or even upset us. We have been dealing with people like you for almost a year. I admit when this first started there were moments of uncertainty, but the one thing I know is that God is there for us and will continue to be. So if it makes you feel better to personally attack Officer Cicinelli and family, go ahead. We will pray for your eternal salvation.

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  41. beer

    This is total B.S …the other 3 did not get notices and will be back on the job in a matter of days….Get your facts straight

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  42. Nomad

    J F A, I found out all I needed to know about R.I. last year, after he spewed some particularly vile comments directed at K.T. and the Thomas family, I posted where I train, (according to his posts he is involved in LE, and thus would be familiar with this loc.) and that at 3:00 a.m. it is secluded, dark, no cameras, and invited him to join me and repeat what he posted. I don’t want to fight, but am prepared to, to protect my Family and Friends, even my adopted friends. F.Y.I. the comments he left were in real time, so he got my invite in real time. I was there, he was not. I found out all I need to know about r.i., and try to no longer respond directly to troll posts.

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    1. Justice for ALL

      @ Nomad, R.I. loves to trash talk murder victims and their families on this blog, but only as long as he can remain anonymous. He will NEVER meet any one of us face to face in public. He knows the public would never tolerate his garbage mouth in person, so he has to spout his filth from behind his keyboard.

      Besides that, I don’t think R.I. drives at night any more; however, if you had told him there would be donuts and coffee, he might have asked his wife to drive over and pick it up for him.

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  43. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Dang JFA, you got J.Edgar Hoover aka Steven Segal all fired up today.

    Shame on you!!!! LOL!!!!

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  44. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Let the record reflect his attacks on Ron Thomas and family, none of them which have come onto this block and directed any comments towards him.

    Ron Thomas’s mistake is, he challenged FPD’s actions.

    We see what RI has said to those who challenge him directly.

    Now RI wants everyone to believe 10 PEOPLE are using his screen name, and the REAL RI’s posts are getting deleted.

    THOSE bastards who would use RI’s screen name should be beaten!!!

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  45. Nomad

    This blog has been instrumental at relaying good information and ideas to help get the wheels of justice in motion. Why would the trolls be here 24,7? Why would a particular screen name be “manned” seemingly around the clock posting, dissenting, inflamitory comments, to monitor what is being said here, and interject a redd herring whenever possible? To dilute the focus of posters from the topic at hand and bait them into frivouless arguments? Just a thought.

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    1. AntiCorruptionUnit

      It’s an excellent thought Nomad. You can see the red herring when you strike a nerve by the response.

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  46. cg

    Poly’s all around, for all the R.I’s Will the real R.I. please sit down and stop writing stupid blogs.

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  47. Justice for ALL

    Reality Is stated: “You aren’t a normal citizen.” That seems to be a common theme with you and McKinley. That is how your sick mind and the FPD rationalizes what was done to Kelly Thomas, Dean Gochenour, Veth Mam and women in the back of squad cars.

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      1. Justice for ALL

        No, I think I’ll just sit on a bench at the Fullerton transit station and wait for you to come and beat and suffocate me to death.

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  48. Chris

    Does anyone have any clue who this idiot Reality Is?

    I seriously doubt he’s a cop. Maybe a former cop, or he has friends or family members who are cops. He’s living out a fantasy and thinks cops are incapable of doing anything wrong.

    Admins, can you look up his IP address and at least find out what city he’s posting from? There are several different websites which will show the domain and location by city where an IP address is originating from. It doesn’t show an exact address of course, but it will usually show the city.

    If it comes up as Fullerton, well that would be REALLY interesting, wouldn’t it?

    Unless he’s using a proxy server or a pseudo-ISP like AOL (is AOL even around anymore?)

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    1. Justice for ALL

      He is a lying, arrogant, sadistic sociopath with a LE background.

      He is desperately trying to maintain the FPD status quo for self-serving reasons.

      He hides behind his badge and his thin blue line.

      He doesn’t have a compassionate bone in his body, and he doesn’t believe in serving the public, only in serving himself.

      He is severely lacking in personal morals and integrity.

      He doesn’t think he’ll ever be held accountable for his attacks on the Thomas family or on the public.

      This describes most of the city council and the FPD. That’s why they will be forced out. It doesn’t really matter exactly who “Reality Is” is, since they all think the same way.

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      1. Justice for ALL

        They are all members in the culture of corruption club.

        You can’t just pull up one noxious weed in your yard; you have to pull them all out, or else they just keep spreading.

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  49. peaches

    From (one of those named) Reality Is –

    “So yes public employees I’m sure talk down to you just about every time you approach them.”

    Funny you should say that – I am a retired public employee and the worst case of anyone talking down that I ever heard of was the WIFE of a retired police sergeant/contract background polygraph examiner (he is a whole other story!).

    She had questions about their CalPERS medical benefits; came in to the personnel department between 1 and 2 p.m. (no appointment, no prior phone call to say “I’d like to come in, what time is good?”, etc., the common courtesy stuff) and pitched an absolute HISSY FIT when the person who could answer the questions was on their regular lunch break! She yelled and cursed at department staff. Now THAT’s “talking down”!

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  50. Chris

    AntiCorruptionUnit,

    Don Bankhead and Pat McPension are both too old and too computer illiterate to know how to post on a blog like this. RI often uses emoticons and I think even if Bankhead and McPension did somehow muddle their way around on the internet, I don’t think those dinosaurs would have the first clue about nuances like that.

    But I really wish the admins would get RI’s IP address and at least tell us what city he’s posting from.

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    1. AntiCorruptionUnit

      Chris I will respectfully disagree on their ability.

      I am sure both have grandkids who are computer masters, and would be happy to show Grandpa how the machine works.

      Most of my friends have their kids help them along, just amazing to watch.Got a basic computer question, GO ask a kid. I am very impressed with that.

      As to the other comment on IP address, I agree, should have been done ALONG time ago for a number of reasons.

      If I had just ONE good reason, to give Ron Thomas the information, allow him to use it as he saw fit.

      Interview a Fullerton City Councilman on all that commentary, PRICELESS!!!!!

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    2. karma

      IMO,

      Bankhead or McKinely aren’t remotely smart enough to post here (as RI)even if their PHD’d grandkids put their hands on the keyboard.

      And if “RI” is from the city of Fullerton, that wouldn’t surprise me very much. However, I would bet money it isn’t any of the three dinos. No way , no how. It might even be several people.

      Now maybe McPatdown and Bankhead are posting under names that are more of the dufus/troll mentality…now that, i would believe. Like Dave Ellis did.

      RI isn’t posting from one IP would be my guess, it’s probably ever changing.

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  51. n/a

    some one should take a good look at officer chris robert wren… arrest date 01-30-09…. san bernardino #SH220900527 case# MCH900309…assault on a minor but reduced , he took a deal…… still on probation……..but patrols the streets of fullerton…and even got promoted to k9 officer……

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  52. bad cops

    christopher robert wren..fpd officer….San bernardino SH 220900527 case # MCH 900309. arrest date 1-30-2009. assualt on a minor. but he took a deal. he is on probation but even got promoted to k9 officer..and still patrolling the streets of fullerton

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  53. peaches

    One of the Reality Is names says –

    “Maybe a cop will cum save you” – interesting spelling contained in that sentence; Freudian slip of some sort?

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    1. Dough for brains

      > DFB..What point? You didn’t have one.

      Jay Cincinelli you’re not making much sense and you’re starting to repeat yourself. I highly recommend seeing a TBI specialist immediately.

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  54. RESPONSE FROM FRIENDS OF JAY!!!

    All of the officers except Manny and Joe did not have their DARs on. It happens all the time. It is not intentional.

    The taser was used because as he said, they ran out of options…this is not something that happens all the time, obviously. Kelly kept resisting. Why? Because he was a unmedicated schizophrenic, I am not sure who knew of his mental state. I am sure if they knew, the white coats would have been called. Have you heard of someone dying from a broken nose? Recently, my young son jumped on top of my head, landing on the top of my cheek bone, it may have been fractured…it blew up into a huge black eye within hours and my face looked worse than Kelly’s. My injury was accidental because my son wanted to play with me and he wanted my attention and I am still alive. That picture of Kelly is deceiving…

    No, I am not scared of any of the officers and I have never been beaten by anyone. I do not run away from police officers. I do not resist. I listen, like every citizen should.

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    1. Justice for ALL

      @Friends of Jay,

      How do you know that the DARs were not left off intentionally?? Answer: You DON’T.

      The D.A. has established that Ramos KNEW Kelly Thomas and that Ramos KNEW that Kelly was mentally ill.

      Kelly did not die from a “broken nose.” Kelly Thomas died from “blunt force trauma to the head and a lack of oxygen.”

      You stated that your cheek bone “…may have been fractured…” Kelly’s cheek bone DEFINITELY WAS fractured.

      You say that you got a “…huge black eye…” Kelly’s eye was DESTROYED. If Kelly had lived; he would now be blind in his left eye.

      You say that you are “…still alive.” I guess that’s the big difference between your “injury” and Kelly’s brutal murder, isn’t it? IS Kelly Thomas still alive?? NO, HE’S DEAD!!

      You say that your “…injury was accidental…” and caused by your little son who wanted your attention. HOW can you dare to compare your little accidental injury to Kelly’s MURDER??

      Unarmed, innocent, Kelly Thomas was threatened with great bodily harm, struck with a baton, had his head bashed into the concrete curb, had his ribs broken, his lung collapsed and filled with blood, and then his chest was crushed and suffocated by the weight of six officers. They even pushed with their feet against the side of the squad car so that they could exert even MORE force, pressure and weight on top of Kelly!

      Kelly was repeatedly Tasered, knee dropped, choked, punched, kicked, beaten with clubs and bludgeoned in the face with a Taser, WHILE HELPLESS KELLY WAS BEING CRUSHED and held down by several HUGE officers.

      And, THEN Kelly was left unattended, without the officers ever giving any first aid, left unconscious and choking on his own blood, lying in a huge swimming pool of his own blood, while the officers laughed.

      You need to realize that your “friend” Jay bludgeoned and smashed in the head, face and eye of innocent, unarmed, half naked Kelly Thomas, WHILE Kelly was being pinned to the ground by other officers.

      Kelly became UNCONSCIOUS, and yet Jay still KEPT ON bludgeoning Kelly! Jay smashed Kelly’s nose and the bones deep within his skull, which is not easy to do, – it takes a great amount of force to break the ethmoid plate.

      According to a witness statement, Jay carefully and methodically aimed each of the eight massive blows to Kelly’s face and nose! Kelly had broken cheek bones, a broken nose, fractured ethmoid plate (the ethmoid bone is a bone deep within the skull that separates the nasal cavity from the brain).

      These SEVERE facial fractures caused such massive bleeding inside Kelly’s head that Kelly was choking on his own blood!

      Your “friend,” Jay, also knee dropped TWICE with his FULL BODY WEIGHT down onto Kelly’s face and throat, -CRUSHING Kelly’s windpipe! Jay did this AFTER Kelly was ALREADY UNCONSCIOUS. Jay also continued to Taser Kelly AFTER Kelly was ALREADY UNCONSCIOUS. Your “friend” Jay was in a sociopathic murderous FRENZY!

      Officer Ramos THREATENED Kelly Thomas with great bodily harm, which caused Kelly to fear for his life. Kelly had the LEGAL RIGHT to defend himself from their threats and blows! The officers NEVER tried to reasonably arrest Kelly Thomas before threatening and striking him!!

      Kelly was NEVER a threat to the officers. Kelly fought ONLY to breathe, to survive and to LIVE! Kelly struggled out of fear, terrible pain, and panic, -just as anyone would do who was also being crushed and beaten to death.

      Kelly struggled to survive just the same as a drowning man, gasping for a breath of air, would thrash around, calling for help, trying to grab onto something out of sheer desperation and panic. It would be IMPOSSIBLE NOT to fight for your life. It is INSTINCTUAL to try to survive and to breathe.

      Kelly was OUTNUMBERED and OUTWEIGHED. Kelly was UNARMED. Kelly was repeatedly begging for his life, begging for his Dad and for God to help him, and saying he was sorry.

      I don’t know how you can watch the video of Kelly being murdered and not be absolutely HORRIFIED and ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!

      You have a LOT of nerve to try to compare your little accidental injury caused your little son –to the BRUTAL torture and murder of Kelly Thomas by six OVERWEIGHT, BULLETPROOF VEST WEARING, ARMED, TRAINED, TASER WIELDING, BATON WIELDING COPS. SHAME ON YOU!

      Justice For Kelly Thomas Facebook page

      Thursday.

      In the harrowing moments before he lost consciousness Kelly Thomas cried out for his dad 31 times.
      He yelled “Help me” 26 times.
      He cried out “I’m sorry” 15 times.
      He used words like please and sir.
      He said “OK” 29 times.

      Your “friend,” Jay, has VERY serious mental health issues of his own. Jay, and his buddies in blue, brutally, mercilessly and unnecessarily, tortured and MURDERED unarmed Kelly Thomas, while Kelly BEGGED for mercy!

      FRIENDS OF JAY, I think you’d better watch the video.

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  55. Jumpin Jiminy

    Dough for brains :> No I like using words better.
    and you fail miserably at it Jay Cincinelli.
    > That is what Kelly should of done, listened to words.
    Thanks for proving my point.

    Kelly, the taunted, mentally ill man needed to listen to who, the fat untrained Wolfe and Ramos? Yeah, blame the victim, never works, but keep trying badge polisher.

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