On the Agenda – October 4, 2011

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Item 2 of the Consent Calendar should upset your applecart. The item is for the City to receive grant funding to solve cold cases. Sounds good, right? Here is the bitter sweet pill the Council will shove down our throats tomorrow.

The grant will fund 2-3 part-time reserve officers to look into these cases. According to Police Spokes-hole Andy Goodbar, normal reserves aren’t getting paid and haven’t for more than a year due to lack of funds. This grant will allow 2-3 reserves to earn $22 per hour. “Not on my dime, so it’s ok” you might say. No, these aren’t your typical reserves. These will be RETIRED POLICE OFFICERS with their big FAT pensions earning an extra $22 per hour to solve cases they couldn’t solve when they were on duty. (Maybe after Bankhead and McKinley get recalled, they can go back to work as reserves). Remember, these same retired cops are already making 90% of their last year’s salary. Now they want another $22 an hour to finish what they couldn’t do before. I think they should do it without any additional pay.

Item 4 will take long-time City Attorney consultants Jones-Mayer off the police misconduct and civil rights cases. At $200 per hour, I bet we get exactly what we pay for with Lewis Brisois Bisgaard and Smith defending the City’s use of force policy and criminal actions of several police officers while on-duty.

And whatever the esquires at Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard and Smith can’t figure out, I’m sure the cats at Carpenter Rothans and Dumont can. Item 5 is an agreement with the firm for more legal services. Good Lord we must be subsidizing half the firms in Orange County ! These legal hounds will cost us $175 an hour. I guess they’ll have to make it up in volume.

Item 6 will bring us closer to Vegas! This is the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) for a Fullerton to Las Vegas train line. If we make it cheap and easy for college students to hop a train to Vegas, do they take our Vegas-style problems (and money) with them? High-Speed Rail to San Francisco was a stupid idea. This isn’t quite as stupid though there appears to be a lot of details yet to be discussed.

Item 7 seeks to place adult businesses closer to churches. The municipal code says in short that adult businesses cannot be permitted within 750 feet of a church. Staff would like to strike “churches” from the current law. The code also says these businesses must be 750 feet away from school, parks, playgrounds, day care facilities, etc. Those who attend churches also know that many have their own day care and schools with play grounds. The Planning Commission took up this issue last week and voted to leave the law alone.

Item 8 is an official apology and acknowledgment by the Police Department for raiding the wrong house. You might recall when the FPD burst through the back door of a reverend’s home during a drug raid on the wrong house. Nice one FPD! You can add that to the growing list for the F’dPD.

Item 9 is the Lemon Park/Maple Center improvements. After looking at the scope of improvements, I cannot imagine how spending $3-million on these two facilities will improve the community. There is also some creative bookkeeping going on- somebody call Levinson.

Item 10 will allow St. Mary’s to borrow the baseball field next door for their annual carnival. Their usual location behind the Community Center is under construction.

Item 11 will open up one of the St. Jude parking structures for people using the Brea Dam Recreation area. It also calls for massive improvements in the area. Parking will cost $1 for the first half-hour and a maximum of $5 per day. The report says that it costs about $96,000 to operate and maintain the new structure and the revenue will go into a special account. Parking in this area will include the structure on the east side of St. Jude (behind hospital), the Tennis Center , Fullerton Community Nursery School , and the YMCA.

68 Replies to “On the Agenda – October 4, 2011”

  1. I want high speed rail to vegas and san francisco, I don’t find either ridiculous thank you very much!

    Also I would like to mandate an adult store next to every church, dammit. Gotta balance these things out.

    1. I want a highspeed rail to sanfran too.
      Then when the train crashes we will have less liberals and hippies!!!
      Plus more jobs for undocumented workers!!! woo hoo

      1. This isn’t the John Birch or KKK board. Nobody wants to read your lame one-liners about hippies. Go peddle your slurs elsewhere.

          1. dirty hippy? you forgot long haired, oh BTW, the 60’s called and want their catch phrases back

            “see, see, ya dirty rat?”

  2. Anna :
    I want high speed rail to vegas and san francisco, I don’t find either ridiculous thank you very much!
    Also I would like to mandate an adult store next to every church, dammit. Gotta balance these things out.

    Naw, just get rid of all the churches. Problem solved. I’d rather there were an ‘adult’ store on every corner than a church or religious store. I would consider a restaurant that sells alcohol an ‘adult’ store and they are everywhere.

    1. I agree, though secretly I’d settle for all the damn churches everywhere paying some taxes. Oops did I say that out loud 🙂

  3. “Item 8 is an official apology and acknowledgment by the Police Department for raiding the wrong house.”

    Will this be done publicly?

    1. Public comments follow Call to Order, Roll Call, Invocation, Pledge of Allegiance, Report on Closed Session and a presentation. Meeting starts at 6:30 P.M. for Call to Order. All this info is available on the city’s website – do a google for “Fullerton City Council agenda”

  4. Item 8-My hat’s off to the poor family involved. I personally would have lawyered up by now.

    Item 11-WTH? That’s nice, but there’s no need.

  5. Sorry, my hat’s off to the poor family involved because they’ve handled this so well. I personally would have lawyered up by now.

  6. Man you fffer’s will complain about anything and everything! Get a f’ng life!! Put down the game controller turn off the tv in your moms house and get a f’ng life! I am so tire of reading you fffer’s cryin about everything!!! It’s funny how easily you are distracted! Hey look over there it’s something shinny! You idiots have completely lost your focus!!! Oh I bet most of you fffer’s never even made it this far in my comments because you got distracted by your moms 10 cats!!!!

    1. you really should consider doing something about the lack of fibre in your diet… How about some prunes and a bran muffin?

    2. for someone denigrating FFFF for being distracted by something shiny you sure have a lack of content in this post

      also look I am distracted by something dull: you and your posting

      1. To whom are you referring? I am not now nor was I ever employed by Fullerton, so I guess you are not referring to me.

    3. tell your son to go down to the corner s&m shop ill give him a job. so you dont have to keep renting his video games ask for mikehunt

  7. R.D. :
    Will they have time set aside for public comments? And at what time?

    I think someone needs to call this number and tell them their agenda IS TOO FULL .. they will try to get out of public comments because of time constraints

    Contact: City Clerk’s Office @ (714) 738-6350

  8. Wow! :Man you fffer’s will complain about anything and everything! Get a f’ng life!! Put down the game controller turn off the tv in your moms house and get a f’ng life! I am so tire of reading you fffer’s cryin about everything!!! It’s funny how easily you are distracted! Hey look over there it’s something shinny! You idiots have completely lost your focus!!! Oh I bet most of you fffer’s never even made it this far in my comments because you got distracted by your moms 10 cats!!!!

    NIce Rant there McKinley!!! Go F yourself again.

  9. Peaches :
    Public comments follow Call to Order, Roll Call, Invocation, Pledge of Allegiance, Report on Closed Session and a presentation. Meeting starts at 6:30 P.M. for Call to Order. All this info is available on the city’s website – do a google for “Fullerton City Council agenda”

    I vote to do away with the pledge.

  10. Item 8
    what took em so long? another thing that would have been swept under the rug without public outrage/humiliation,
    What are they going to say? (thru clenched teeth)… “my bad”
    just to try to stave off media?

    jackholes.

  11. Anonymous :

    We Are All One :
    “Item 8 is an official apology and acknowledgment by the Police Department for raiding the wrong house.”
    Will this be done publicly?

    A YEAR LATER?? wow
    5:30pm Wednesday October 20th 2010
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS0SiFyHPm4

    Another clear example that unless the FPD’s wrongs are made public and bring a lot of unwanted attention they will sweep it under the rug and act like it never happened.

    She stated that after her meeting with Hamilton she thought ‘things would happen but there was very poor follow through’. Sad, but that seems to be how it works in Fullerton. If it weren’t for FFFF, KFI and citizens willing to make a lot of noise nothing would ever change.

    Her second point: “We are looking to make sure this never happens to another Fullerton family- to learn from and improve public procedure for handling such errors..”

    She made that point 1 year ago. This better be one damn good apology!

  12. Wrong Guy :

    Wow! :Man you fffer’s will complain about anything and everything! Get a f’ng life!! Put down the game controller turn off the tv in your moms house and get a f’ng life! I am so tire of reading you fffer’s cryin about everything!!! It’s funny how easily you are distracted! Hey look over there it’s something shinny! You idiots have completely lost your focus!!! Oh I bet most of you fffer’s never even made it this far in my comments because you got distracted by your moms 10 cats!!!!

    NIce Rant there McKinley!!! Go F yourself again.

    Even McKinley has more intelligence than this.. That wasn’t even reply worthy.. just “weak sauce” 😛

  13. Do you think it would be Sgt. Goodpitch making this apology or the higher ‘do-nothing’ brass Captain Hamilton?
    Hamilton is a “Corrupt Sheep” of whom the 3-blind mice just LOVE because of his spinelessness, just as Jones, McKinley and Bankhead LOVED that Spineless Jellyfish Chief Sellers. They both simply roll over and do whatever their bosses tell them. Unfortunatly that is considered the ideal ‘Chief of Police’ in most cities.

  14. TheFullertonWatcher :
    What about Rinchon apology to the 12 or the 3 blind mice apology to us?

    Sadly, I’m sure that in his time with the dept. (was it 10 years or more?) that there are far more than 12 he has violated.

    1. Probably more than 100! One per month less vacations to Vegas so he could get his knob polished at the end of the Baker-to-Vegas race. Look it up.

  15. We Are All One :
    “Item 8 is an official apology and acknowledgment by the Police Department for raiding the wrong house.”
    Will this be done publicly?

    If they do an apology, it’s a facade to cover getting caught again fucking over people. Maybe more people will have the courage to come forward and report police abuses and crimes.

  16. Never in my life have I heard anyone in law enforcement say “I/We were wrong” or “I/We are sorry”.
    It will be interesting to hear their apology.
    Reminds me of an old Happy Days episode where ‘The Fonz” was challenged by Mrs. C to say “I’m sorry” or “I was wrong”. He just couldn’t get those full sentences out of his mouth. lol

  17. Hats off :
    Sorry, my hat’s off to the poor family involved because they’ve handled this so well. I personally would have lawyered up by now.

    With the boys out on the street these victims will change their minds and drop the suit.
    If a DAR can be disabled so can an ankle GPS.

  18. I know this is off the topic, but I just wanted to say that the admin of the BCC Facebook page (Big City Cops) is still rattled about Kelly Thomas supporters watching the page. Half the comments on the page are about Kelly Thomas groups, with screen shots of comments people have posted. That’s all they’ve been talking about lately. Well, that and the occasional comment about a police shooting or a link to a training video.

    And of course, they still keep perpetuating the lie that Kelly “fought with the cops.” Of course, there is no mention at all about Ramos’ threat “These fists are going to fuck you up.” They’re even still going with the lie that officers’ bones were broken! Talk about living under a rock!

    All the screen shots they’ve been posting seem to come from a Kelly Thomas Facebook page. (And they’re watching the wrong one…that isn’t the one where I’ve been getting my information). They don’t seem to be aware of the FFF blog, or at least haven’t posted any comments about it as far as I can tell.

    I would really like to know what they’re talking about in that “secret” group though.

  19. …BTW, I’m sure you guys already knew this, but the user going by the name “WOW” is jaynbound.

    And I’m kind of wondering if the other infamous troll (RI) might be the admin of that Big City Cops page.

  20. Chris :
    I know this is off the topic, but I just wanted to say that the admin of the BCC Facebook page (Big City Cops) is still rattled about Kelly Thomas supporters watching the page. Half the comments on the page are about Kelly Thomas groups, with screen shots of comments people have posted. That’s all they’ve been talking about lately. Well, that and the occasional comment about a police shooting or a link to a training video.
    And of course, they still keep perpetuating the lie that Kelly “fought with the cops.” Of course, there is no mention at all about Ramos’ threat “These fists are going to fuck you up.” They’re even still going with the lie that officers’ bones were broken! Talk about living under a rock!
    All the screen shots they’ve been posting seem to come from a Kelly Thomas Facebook page. (And they’re watching the wrong one…that isn’t the one where I’ve been getting my information). They don’t seem to be aware of the FFF blog, or at least haven’t posted any comments about it as far as I can tell.
    I would really like to know what they’re talking about in that “secret” group though.

    Ask them where the HANDCUFFS were?

    Why did the pussies turn off their DAR’s

    Why did Wolfe punch kelly in the face

    Kelly Thomas weight was approx 150lbs? or what? Was he Andersen Silva in disguise?

    Anyone who can defend their actions is not only mentally and morally weak but also a physical coward sloth

    SIX GROWN MEN with weapons couldnt put handcuffs on him?

    It was premeditated murder.. why? Because they badgered him for 15 minutes trying to get him to react angrily .. they know he was schizophrenic and must have had some bad intentions ..

    Why fuck with him for 15minutes and try to get him to reel to their childish commands?

    1. “Why fuck with him for 15minutes and try to get him to reel to their childish commands?”

      Because the WANTED to give him a brutal beating. He just wouldn’t give Ramos the rise he was trying to get out of him. In the end, he simply tried to get away because he knew what was about to happen.

  21. Ramoshit :

    Hats off :
    Sorry, my hat’s off to the poor family involved because they’ve handled this so well. I personally would have lawyered up by now.

    With the boys out on the street these victims will change their minds and drop the suit.
    If a DAR can be disabled so can an ankle GPS.

    http://www.ocweekly.com/2007-02-08/news/illegally-park-ed/
    An Irvine cop ejaculates on a motorist but escapes criminal liability
    ————————————
    And then Kamiabipour introduced the bombshell evidence from a high-ranking Irvine police officer: on the night Park tailed Lucy out of the city, the global positioning system in his patrol car had been disconnected without authorization.

    “I checked and [the GPS] was not working,” said Lt. Henry Boggs.

    An unexplainable coincidence, Park’s defense countered.—————————

  22. Dear Christian,
    Your sardonic statement has great merit:
    “Now they want another $22 an hour to finish what they couldn’t do before. I think they should do it without any additional pay.”
    Ask the Council to pull this off the “Consent Calendar”, and to revise the grant application to specify that no former Fullerton employee will be hired as an investigator. Other policing agencies –including the DA’s office, and the Sheriff’s Department — have “reserves” who could and would be hired to do this work.

    It is not so much that the cases were not solved due to incompetence. It is the notion that someone who is not “invested” in the original investigation is likely to be more objective, more “disinterested”, and perhaps more likely to “see” things which earlier investigators could not. You just can hardly believe the ideas which come up, when “fresh blood” is injected into a situation, due to new perspectives and ideas.

    We have all watched “Cold Case” TV and cable shows, and we all know that new scientific diagnostic technologies can provide new evidence that was not available before. But even without this, a new investigator can make a big difference. Especially if he is not pressured to ignore a particular line of investigation, because that would tend to discredit a fellow-FPD officer.

    So I think that it is really important to not let this grant be used as a “sinecure” for retired FPD officers. WSH

    1. Cold Cases!! This is to throw us off a full audit of Made Up Arrests.
      Where are the FPD getting the white stuff to throw after smashing kneecaps. Need that young man to come forward and incident looked at. One of how many…
      AUDIT AUDIT the FPD. Only then money would be well spent.
      No FPD Connected personnel or DA should even be considered.

  23. Where do they expect to get the money?

    Remind them how much they will soon be paying out in LAWSUITS before they start spending more or

    YOUR MONEY!

  24. Chris :…BTW, I’m sure you guys already knew this, but the user going by the name “WOW” is jaynbound.
    And I’m kind of wondering if the other infamous troll (RI) might be the admin of that Big City Cops page.

    I had always thought that Jaynbond was Cicinelli’s wife or sweetheart. It seemed that ever since the DA brought the charges against the 2, there were no more Jaynbond posts. I figured Cicinelli and family went away to cry in their ‘Vodka/Redbull’ concoctions.

  25. merijoe :
    dirty hippy? you forgot long haired, oh BTW, the 60′s called and want their catch phrases back
    “see, see, ya dirty rat?”

    dirty hippie slang will never die untill those dirty hippies take a shower and wash their hair, 40 years plus and growing strong
    FLOWER POWER

  26. Anna :
    I want high speed rail to vegas and san francisco, I don’t find either ridiculous thank you very much!
    Also I would like to mandate an adult store next to every church, dammit. Gotta balance these things out.

    yes the train would be nice.
    But a tax straped california can not even balance a budget. How the hell can J-BEAR pull billions out of OUR asses. Oh yea the federal grant money yeah that’s prob already spent, you know you cant trust a politician.
    Look into Solyndra.

  27. blessusall :
    “Why fuck with him for 15minutes and try to get him to reel to their childish commands?”
    Because the WANTED to give him a brutal beating. He just wouldn’t give Ramos the rise he was trying to get out of him. In the end, he simply tried to get away because he knew what was about to happen.

    This.

  28. merijoe :
    dirty hippy? you forgot long haired, oh BTW, the 60′s called and want their catch phrases back
    “see, see, ya dirty rat?”

    The 2010’s called and wants everyone to quit using this phrase.

  29. Anonymous :

    Wrong Guy :

    Wow! :Man you fffer’s will complain about anything and everything! Get a f’ng life!! Put down the game controller turn off the tv in your moms house and get a f’ng life! I am so tire of reading you fffer’s cryin about everything!!! It’s funny how easily you are distracted! Hey look over there it’s something shinny! You idiots have completely lost your focus!!! Oh I bet most of you fffer’s never even made it this far in my comments because you got distracted by your moms 10 cats!!!!

    NIce Rant there McKinley!!! Go F yourself again.

    Even McKinley has more intelligence than this.. That wasn’t even reply worthy.. just “weak sauce”

    Sorry, I was having a Fruedian slip. Im just upset. My mother has 10 cats and its driving me crazy.

  30. Wow? :
    I say this because my mom has 10 cats.

    You are her 11th pussy?

    Care to tell us why 6 grown men couldn’t put handcuffs on a mentally ill malnourished homeless man?

  31. Fun meeting. When none of you libratarians spoke up in defense of sodomy after the two crazies Baptist were yelling about about sex in street, whores giving away their lady parts (Re. Agenda Item#7) I thought this liberal better pinch hit for you. Not since Joe Florintine’s gay fearing meltdown many years ago, have I seen such puritanical bullshit. BTW – I see those two crazy god smiters every saturday at the KT protest. I must have really meant it when I said I would stand with anyone.

  32. LOL…most pathetic city council meeting I have ever seen. It’s my first however. Looking forward to more fun and frivolity!

  33. S. Baxter :
    Fun meeting. When none of you libratarians spoke up in defense of sodomy after the two crazies Baptist were yelling about about sex in street, whores giving away their lady parts (Re. Agenda Item#7) I thought this liberal better pinch hit for you. Not since Joe Florintine’s gay fearing meltdown many years ago, have I seen such puritanical bullshit. BTW – I see those two crazy god smiters every saturday at the KT protest. I must have really meant it when I said I would stand with anyone.

    Yeah, he doesn’t want sodomites in our here town. Seems there are far more hanging around in Churches than sex shops. At least in sex shops they are over 18.

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