Excessive Force Victims Lawyer Up Against Fullerton PD

Looks like lawyer Garo Mardirossian has the City of Fullerton squarely in his sights. He is representing the Thomas family in the beating death of their son Kelly. Here’s the CNN interview including a snippet from Michael Gennaco. Interestingly Mr. Mardirossian is now also representing the man who was thrown around by FPD officer Kenton Hampton and subsequently jailed and wrongly prosecuted by the DA based on fraudulent evidence from the Fullerton cops. We reported about that here and here. That prosecution was rejected by a jury because the cops demonstrably perjured themselves. Garo has no apprehensions about naming Kenton Hampton as being present at both incidents. The clip is a bit long but worth viewing in its entirety.


Although it’s going to end up costing everybody in Fullerton to resolve these cases, you can bet on one thing: none of our so-called “leaders” will take personal responsibility for this total failure of civilian oversight of a police department that is manifestly out of control.

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587 thoughts on “Excessive Force Victims Lawyer Up Against Fullerton PD

    1. Re: On 8/16/11, Fred Alcazar wrote: “I have only two words: ca-ching!”

      My Response: WRONG, Fred!
      * Those cops might be fired! Maybe.
      * NONE of their superiors, starting at the Mayor down to those cops’ Managers, will be held responsible– for anything! Maybe the Mayor will not be re-elected the next time. So What? You think that idiot Mayor is going to run again, after this?! Have you seen him on Live Videotape? I did. He is a Joke!
      * Even if it is proven that the cops’ superiors knew of their violent pasts, nothing will happen to them! Guaranteed!
      * Even though those cops have jackets {means they have been sighted for other “excessive force” incidents in their past}, nothing will happen to them! Except, like I wrote previously, one or two of the cops might be fired. That is not justice!
      * Do you people, who are reading this, know that cops who have “excessive force” {and worse} complaints in their records are eagerly hired by other Police Departments?!? That is a Fact! I did the research on that over 15 years ago.
      Don’t believe anyone who tells you that I
      * Those cops OBVIOUSLY committed 2nd-Degree MURDER! Listen to the witnesses words, again, as they watch what’s happening. That wasn’t rehearsed dialog! Those were spontaneous observations! That can not be faked! Those witnesses were spontaneously reacting, in Real Time, to seeing the cops Murder a helpless, defenseless and Innocent Man!
      * Just so the readers know a tiny bit about me, I am a Conservative Law & Order Republican. I am not a Radical Left Wing Nut Job!
      BUT— I am Fair. I am objective. I am honest. Above all, I support The U.S. Constitution, every single word in it. Those cops violated that guys Constitutional Rights. They denied him his Constitutional Right to Due Process!
      * The cops should be tried for {at least} 2nd. Degree Murder!
      * Jerry Brown should coax the State Attorney General to step in & investigate this case. The chances of that happening are Zero & Nothing!
      * For every one of these incidents that we know about, there are 10 to 20 that never reach the Public! This goes on, day-after-day-after-day ….

      1. You sure think you know alot about these so called direct witnesses. When it comes down to it, they saw a fight with cops. No specifics. Yes it happens all the time. That’s what police do. They take bad guys to jail. Fight the cops you get the worst of it not them. Deal with it.

        1. You are a simple minded fool with a pathetic need to lick the boots of authority figures.

          You are unable to even entertain the basic concept that some cops are bad and do things they arent supposed to.

          You would have made a good groupie for the Nazis.

    2. my name is neil streitberger i have also been beaten up by the fullerton pigs and i hope the porkys read this blog, im going to call this lawyer and get my own lawsuit going.
      piss on fullerton police dept.

      1. I’m sorry why are we citing this website as fact? This site has made many claims that ARE NOT TRUE. Soon the world will know and this site will forever be known as the site that DID NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS but reported it anyway. Right Tony?

    1. People named Ronald often suffer from schizophrenia and other maladies that cause them to make stupid statements.

    2. Not true i know of a person who was going to be on the Buena park police force he was not there long before he started showing symptoms of the disease he was exactly 20 years old and that is when schizophrenia comes to light he was raised by his mom and dad who were devout Christians and from all that i have read it hits people around 20 years old can get the disease

      1. It’s true that schizophrenia typically shows up around the late teens/ early twenties. I too have a schizophrenic in my family. He is extremely intelligent and as far as I know has never been abused. I think the GED comment was made against the uninformed commenter.

      2. Just cause someone is raised by devout Christian parents doesnt mean they have those same morals. Heard of Alice Cooper? Rockstar.

  1. So now the city of Fullerton will have two lawsuits to pay out. And Joe Felz wants a raise?? Sorry Mr. Felz, the city of Fullerton will be so busy using our tax dollars to pay for these lawsuits that there will be no money left for your 35% pay increase.

      1. It would be interesting to know if there is a limit on what the insurance carrier has to pay out contractually, this just might exceed it.

        1. I’m not reffering to the deductable. I’m asking if there is a limit on the payout amount, like my health insurance has a cap and so does my homeowners insurance.

      2. Civilians may want to consider a policy to hire only local educated men that have a bond with their city instead of these transient uneducated ex-marine corps trained sociopathic killers.

  2. Read about the lawyer. He is awesome. He won $16 million in a case with many similarities to Kelly Thomas (police brutality and perjury, video evidence etc.) He will eviscerate those cops in front of a jury. Ron Thomas chose the right guy!

    1. That’s what the guy in Chino thought when he got shot. The attorney for the cops got that cop off and will get these off too.

      1. They were drunk and running over 100mph in a Corvette… kelly was sitting on a bench and shirtless… your thugs are going to prison, deal with it.

        1. Elio Carrion wasnt driving the car, he was a passenger and when Ivory John Webb shot him at point blank range he was on the ground. He never attempted to run away or resist arrest.

          1. He was laying on the ground when Ivory John Webb stood over him and shot him. The video is widely available on youtube.

          1. According to witnesses he was just sitting minding his own business. The “breaking into cars” was allegedly a code designed by the police for a business owner, possibly/probably The Slide Bar, to get quicker response and get the homeless moved along. A boycott of the Slide Bar is a good idea. Allegedly one of the cops, put on a pair of leather gloves as he walked up to Mr. Thomas, saying “these hands are going to kick your ass,” and Mr.Thomas ran in terror. They caught him and bashed his face into the concrete curb, beat him, kicked and hit him, beat him with the butt of a tazer, Tazed him at least 6 times, drop kneed him in the face and throat and this went on for 15 or so minutes, going on with shouts to “stop resisting” long after Mr. Thomas was unconcious and probably already brain dead. My question “Lawyer Bob,” does running in fear, deserve being killed in this manner?

          2. Lawyer Bob I am rivited by this post…it is so well thought out that it all makes perfect sense now. Thank you so much for clearing everything up for me. So if I understand correctly…if a mentally ill person that may be scared by the site of several cops approaching him, runs…it is ok to beat him to death.

        2. Yeah, shirtless. That says alot. Gee, What kind of pants did he have on, Mr. Corrupt? Golly, Mr. Corrupt, what kind of shoes did he have on? Can’t wait to read your posts after no charges are filed. This whole thing is getting boring for the news media and will soon be in everyone’s rear view mirror. The sooner the better. Then, all of you conspiracy dopes can jump back onto the global warming band wagon.

          1. Bullshit…This is not going away for along time…it will esculate into a RIOT….Get your fuckin Head OUT OF YOUR ASS you free spirited fuckin CUNT.

          2. @LeRoy Murray. Funny you should mention the officer putting on leather gloves. I know of an incident many years ago where an officer with the ANAHEIM P.D. did the exact same thing before someone was beat up pretty bad. In another incident, a male was handcuffed and on his knees on the grass next to a street curb. He was not moving, talking or resisting when a male officer told his female partner to mace him in the face. When this happened, the young male dropped forward and started rubbing his face into the grass to keep from being maced again. At the same time this was going on, the cops started to yell out that he was resisting in case anyone nearby heard what was going on. This happened late at night and he was also beat up pretty bad. His face was swollen the next day and he had bruises in his rib cage area. Here is the kicker, a relative of his was employed by the A.P.D. at the time.

      2. Then it will be up to the citizens of Fullerton to ensure justice! If not, this will continue. We shouldn’t fear the police. They should fear the people! That is what keeps them doing the job with integrity.

    2. Ivory John Webb was caught on tape shooting an unarmed man at point blank range but he got away with it when the case went to trial.

    3. People need to be mindful of the citizens. Winning a case against the city doesn’t punish the guilty ones, for a lawsuite against the city lets the guilty move away, retire and move on while the citizens are left with lack of funds and blight.

  3. this is never going to die out as these bastard’s hope it will. I will continue to follow this story and paste every bit of info I can on facebook and any other network. I hope all of you do the same to keep this story growing to help end this growing police corruption.

    1. Yeah, please keep posting it here so all 25 of you can keep in touch and continue the circle jerk of the year. Maybe you guys can become pen-pals and have sleep overs and cookies. Listen, stupid, this WILL die out and you will go back to blogging about the polar bears not having enough habitat to live in. Go ahead, count the extensive number of bloggers on this site. They number about 50. And that’s being generous. Keep kidding yourselves.

    1. Anon- It is going to be massive when the prior brutality/perjury case is introduced with this one and the same cop involved.

    2. People have to learn to bankrupt the guilty, not the city. The people need to put Ron Thomas in charge of the police department in fullerton. Give him the job, retirement and the pay, and Can the courts garnish the pay and retirement from those responsible? Maybe justice, after serving time, should be that every time these guys look at there checks and do their taxes, they should see their funds going to the Thomas family for life.

      1. The city is guilty. I am going to do everything I can to help bankrupt Fullerton. Until police departments and governments understand that closing ranks and using the code silence to protect criminal cops is not acceptable police brutality will never stop. Rip the city to shreds through the courts. The cops should be in jail awaiting arraignment on a murder special circumstances death penalty case.

        Unless bueracrats are hit in the pocket book they dont give a shit.

    3. put the maggot 6 cops on trial in arz and send them to the chain gang i am sure the chain gang knows how to dole out raw justice.to bad corrupt cops

      1. My Ass, from the increasingly shrill tone of your posts, it seems you are becoming frightened. Has the FBI interviewed you yet? Starting to sweat? Just curious.

        1. You really think anyone is actually nervous? Cops go through this stuff everyday. Lies, court, being sued. It’s all part of the job. Just another day.

        2. Xer, baby, all I asked was whether it was a pool day tomorrow. I have to decide whether to golf and then relax by the pool, or forego golf and just commence the cocktails by the pool. Don’t be a hater just because I have a pool and love to golf. Things will be looking up for you, just think happy thoughts. It’ll be ok.

  4. Is Pat McKinley, who said with a great deal of pride in a previous interview that he “probably hired all 6” officers going to share in the liability if it is shown that he negligently hired and retained substandard individuals? One of those pensions could feed a lot of homeless people.

    1. Don’t forget he hired a one eye cop who had been shot in the head. This cop could not pass the POST requirements

          1. would the military except a one eyed volunteer ? think not it is a liability and a hazard t personal on a high stress call. why should a police department?

        1. But were they denied by another municipality? Were they on the street patrolling, were they making daily contact with citizens? There are handicapped servicemen too but the do not go to combat… I suspect these cyclops cops are in similar situtions.

  5. This is a great development. Go Mardirossian! Federal complaints in State and Federal court. Burn in hell, FPD. You’re toast.

    Mardirossian for the win, set, match. Fullerton taxpapers for the loss, but it will be worth it to get rid of these scumbag cops.

  6. I hope Mr. Thomas included that vile establishment in his lawsuit. They are obviously behind the initial 911 call. Perhaps the owner is in hiding for a reason. Why hasn’t he come out in protest and outrage at the killing.? As a business owner in closest proximity to the murder, he should be front and center. Please, Mr. Attorney, leave no stone unturned.

    1. Same reason all the other Fullerton business owners haven’t come out. They are glad Kelly is gone and are gonna lay low. Slide owner didn’t call either.

      1. Lawyer Bob every word you type shows your complete lack of humanity and makes me sick. Which has been the general menatality of those FPD that were involved. But hey as long as you keep typing your nonsense it will keep the fires going on the other side. So if you are hoping all of this will die down just keep on typing.

        1. Simmer down, “Mom.” I don’t have to hope. This is dying down already, except for the 50 or so regulars on this site. Fear not, the world keeps on turning, AND LOOK! The sun is rising in the East! What a beautiful day. Think I’ll go play golf, or should I just lay by the pool with a cocktail? Decisions, decisions. See? It’s dying down as you read this.

    2. @boycott slidebarf. The attorney for the Thomas family should subpoena the phone records for the slidebar on the night of July 5th. He can also subpoena the FPD phone records in case the call was made from a cell phone. One way or another, they should be able to find out where the call to FPD came from. If this call did take place, the proof will be there and no one will be able to deny it.

      1. That’s an old lie made up by the clan. The call was a legit call because Kelly was actually trying to get in cars to get something. Change, whatever. He had property on him too that wasn’t his. Dirtbag. So try something new.

        1. fail. he had nothing stolen. pigs already said it was from a garbage can. but please keep lying to yourself if it helps you sleep. ketchup

  7. @Boycott Slidebarf. If you’re taking about Mr. Francis, he has nothing to do with the Slidebar any longer. He’s in India. so get your facts a bit straighter before you idiotically pontificate.

  8. hey teddy bear felz! please have the decency to step down!

    taxpayers gonna pay you over $200K a year for screwing up the city of fullerton? anybody can do that.

  9. Everybody go down to City Council and explain to those clowns that their legacy of looking the other way to police brutality is now going to cost this city MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars.

    Congratulations City Council! You’ve made the name Fullerton synonomous with police brutality. Your Po-leese have beaten, tased, and perjured their way to our city’s looming bankruptcy.

    1. I hope someone asks about the insurance policy and if it has a limit. If so, where is the rest of the money going to come from if the settlement exceeds that limit?
      Lots of questions for the city council while they are addressing the raise on the agenda.

        1. No, he’s not. He was a Deputy for all of six months. Why he elects to allow everyone to call him a retired Deputy I don’t know. It’s probably better for his reputation to allow everyone to think that.

          1. Thanks for acknowledging that Ron Thomas had never even passed probation as a deputy, which means, HE NEVER MADE IT TO THE STREETS NY HIMSELF. He was asked to resign or be fired. I also heard he has money problems, public records show he has many liens on his property. He was in major financial trouble before this, see the motivation here….greed and money!!!

          2. So what? Irrelevant. Doesn’t change the fact that 6 goons beat his son to death. But you bootlickers go ahead and just continue to smear his name. Guess getting your pals in hot water for thinking they are above the law has touched a nerve, huh? Greed and money, huh? That’s why he has said he is going to give any monies awarded to a homeless shelter.

      1. the careers of these guys are coming to an end. In at least one and likely a few other cases they are going to jail. Sorry lawyer Boob, even watching the video together to get their story straight wont get them out of this one.

      2. Unlimited? Wrong. If the FPOA is going to pick up the tab for a criminal case they’re going to have to hire six different lawyers. Plus once the recall qualifies FPOA is going to have to sink a boatload of dough into protecting their Three Blind Mice. Goodrich is going to have to tap into the members wallets but good.

        Of course some of the members actually have some dough – after the tricked out truck and the two ex-wives.

        1. This whole thing is sickening. It will be fun to see the union defend the three chimps as pro law and order because they tried to help cover up a murder.

  10. Does anyone know how long it took between the time Kelly was beat unconscious and the time he arrived at the hospital?

  11. Garo Mardirossian -keep on as we will, I hope Mrs Prescott, mother of Craig will also seek him out. Hope he formally names them so that anchor lady can pull the needle out of her butt.

    Seems that those thugs have more rights than I do.

  12. Uh..Mr. Boob, In my “pontification”, I don’t give a flying flip whoever owns the barf, I’m sure someone is in charge, and should have permission to speak, if need be. So, there. Silence speaks volumes. Last I checked, India has phones.

    1. What happens if the city declares bankruptcy?
      How this affect the city’s ability to pay current salaries and future pensions?

        1. Lawyer Bob, get a grip, this is not the first time I’ve seen accusations that Tony Bushala wants some kind of elected office, and that is just stupid. I think Tony would rather have bamboo shoots shoved under his fingernails than run for public office. If the only way you can make your point is to discredit the bloggers bringing bad news by ascribing impure motives to them, then it may be time to reconsider your argument.

          1. It is interesting what we have here:
            Six officers,
            Beating Kelly while he screams dad, dad, and dad.
            Kelly’s dad is a retired Lawman with a lot of friends.
            Kelly’s dad heard his cries.
            Now it’s Cops against Cops and Lawyers against lawyers.
            A big fight for justice begins.
            Officers are not willing to back this rotten stuff up.
            The union risks a deep divide fighting it.
            What if the union fractures at the seams over this?
            Would there be a chain reaction?
            Could this be history in the making?

  13. Plus by filing suit will Ron Thomas acquire the tape as evidence? I hope anonymous gets the video file and all the rest of the evidence during their hack.

  14. Question: where did the information originate regarding the Slidebar/initial 911 call? I’ve heard of this a number of times.

    One more: was it normal behavior for Kelly to break into cars? From what I gather, he was (more or less) fairly well known to many people who live and work in the area. Was he threatening to people?

    Thanks.

    1. I believe it was the anonymous caller to John and Ken on 640AM who said that the beaking into cars was a code designed by the cops for the business’s to get a faster response in getting the homeless or other undesireables moved along or taken away.

  15. from what I heard from a person who knew him,
    Kelly was always bent over, on a daily basis, looking for ciggy butts and suspects that he was looking for some between cars thats where the connection of breaking into cars came in

    1. No, he was actually working the handles on parked cars and was in possession of property that was clearly not his. He knew he was dirty and was about to go to jail. He therefore decided to run and upon being caught decided to fight. And lost. Simple.

      1. My Ass, the fact that you are on this site blogging shows you dont even have a pool and you are a fat lazy hater. you probably play wii golf and have nothing better to do than stalk innocent people who are legitimately seeking justice. Dont worry, there is a place for people like you. Wait, you are already in your own private version of Hell-your life.
        Get a job.

  16. I wonder if he is going after the DA for failing to prosecute Hampton. Discuss amongst yourselves and get back to me.

  17. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I am confident that this top gun attorney is going to leave no stone unturned and he is going to take names and kick ass. And with Ron Thomas’s savvy and a hell bent desire for justice and revenge, he is gonna fuel Mardirossian- the two of them are gonna rock Fullerton’s world. Turn loose the hounds of hell Ron.

    1. Union lawyers are going to have a tough time with this case. They risk turning alot of Officers and people against the union if they get ugly with this one. The union should let these guys fend for themselves, so that the union won’t look so bad. If the majority of officers see lawyers dragging Ron Thomas over the coals in court, then the seeds sown there will grow to overshadow the unions future. There is a lot of power in that membership. Those lawyers might end up kicking a rabid dog in court now that its brother against brother..

      1. Just another fight. They have done it hundreds of times. They have won many of them. If anyone gets charged at all and trial happens, this incident will be old news anyways. The only people interested will be the 20 Tony followers. By that time, the police and city will be back in action kicking azz and taken names.

    2. Ron’s saavy?? He’s about as saavy as the rest of the knuckleheads at the city counsel meetings. Saavy at what? His “extensive” law enforcement career? 6 whole years?? He says he taught report writing to new cops. A 6 year deputy probably never got out of the county jail and certainly would never teach rookies how to write reports. He seems to have a wild self image.

  18. fullerton cops are corrupt, lyers and fabricate police reports. just view hamptons actions on video. using unnecessary force and falsly charging an innocent man and then going to court and committing perjury…wheres that investigation chief sellers & tony raccucas????

  19. I hope all Police Departments are taking notes. The ball is rolling and people are not going stand for the departments to violate human rights any longer. Injustice and abuse of force is everywhere, now it’s coming to the forefront. So mind your P’s and Q’s P.D’s, we’re watching YOU now.

  20. they need to go ofter these crooked cops financially to pay out of their own pockets for the destuction they have caused. the tax payers of the city of fullerton will have to bare the cost

      1. Wrong. The cops can and should be charged with punitive damages. Then I’d love to see the Three Blond Mice come up with reasons why the City should pay them.

      2. From Answers.com Question can I sue a cop?

        Yes. But if you are suing the officer for something he did while doing his duty, think carefully before you proceed. If the officer did something illegal or conducted himself in any way that was “out of line” for a cop, you may be better off filing a complaint against the officer as a first course of action. All complaints are handled by other cops, and they will have access to all the facts in the case. They will take your complaint, where you’ve said all the the officer said and did to “earn” the complaint. They will also collect the officer’s statement. Investigators will have access to the officer’s file and any “priors” in his jacket. The investigators will look things over, and then what happens, happens.
        If an officer was way out of line and did something illegal, then the district attorney may step in and file on the officer, but this is extremely unusual. If an officer bends the rules as regards department policy, he may or may not get a talking to and a note in his file. If “nothing happens” in the situation, then that’s it. Still want to sue? Go for it.
        You’ll be suing the officer in civil court in a civil complaint. You’ll need an attorney, unless you’re really sharp and you actually know the law. That will cost money. If you filed a complaint first and let it run its course, you’ll have a pretty good idea where you stand. A legal professional will let you know up front what your chances of success are. Good, poor, or non-existent, listen to the legal professional. You may want to contact an attorney before you file a complaint against the officer. The wise person would. The merely pissed off person absolutely would.
        Legal advice is usually cheap or even free, at least upon an initial consultation. Call around, ask around, or whatever it takes to get hooked up if you’re serious. The first thing you should do right now is write down all that you recall about the incident in question. Everything. Now. Before time erodes your memory of it. Then proceed to get some professional legal advice on filing a complaint. You may or may not want to do that. Just like you may or may not want to sue.

  21. PUNITIVE DAMAGES!!!! go after the crooked cops and make them pay thru their noses…one eye cop, and hampton along with the rest of the fullerton police dept. top brass…chief sellers!!!!!!!!!!!

  22. The Fullerton live stream is up and running just fine. I’m watching now in San Diego.

    Cornpone Jones is prattling on right now. Public comment is coming up in a few mins, he says.

    What a goober. Wow.

    He’s talking about the required lack of freedom of speech as a councilmember, setting up the council for what’s about to come in the next few minutes.

    He just said that sometimes all they can do is nod and keep silent. This is in regard to sellers.

    Give ’em HELL, Fullerton.

    1. im watching too since it started, what the hell was that little tantrum the council had? getting up and leaving for a few minutes then coming back, and threatening everybody to be good children or they’ll do it again

      I liked the ire and anger of that littleblone lady, forgot her name-she told em but good-just up my alley- my kind of ranting!

      1. I thought that was you!

        She was great. Almost everyone was on point; there’s always a little bit of funkyness, but that’s ok.

        I am so proud of the citizen protesters of Fullerton, I can’t even tell you. Man, make no mistake — people are paying attention, coast to coast and beyond.

        I’m excited to be moving there. We originally picked Fullerton — looked at several places — but eventually settled on an adjacent community.

        I’m happy to be moving there. I love you guys.

        Listen — it takes some courage and determination to state your name and address, and take on the Fullerton butthole brigade in front of God and everybody.

        Bravo. Bravissimo! to everyone in Fullerton who staked their claim tonight.

        Kudos to Anonymous for not crashing the F website tonight. They can do whatever they want, but Kelly’s cause is best served by keeping the pipeline OPEN when the city council is in open session. Tonight was fabulous. I will not miss another one.

        I love you guys.

        The worm is turning. The worms are leaving. Heh…

      2. She sounded like a crazy person herself. The old broad with the long gray hair was about as bad. She reads from a prepared statement that the mayor should “do the right thing and step down. You’re number two and we know what else is number two.” What a douchebag. No wonder the mayor walked out. Who wants to listen to an adult read what amounts to gradeschool name-calling. “Number two?” She’s typical of the 50 or so whiners on this blog. You guys have no chance. No one cares. Nor should they.

        1. CNN seems to care. Long stories on the case two days in a row. And not making the puh-lees look very good….

          I’d be worried about my job security too if I were you.

        2. My Ass: …50 or so whiners on this blog. You guys have no chance. No one cares. Nor should they.

          There’s no place like home, there’s no place like home, there’s no place like home.” You have to remember to click your ruby red shoes together three times, or it doesn’t work, Dorothy. 😎

  23. @Mr. Boo. Slidebar’s abc license is issued to Slidebar Inc who’s registered agent and President are a Sean Francis. Contrary to what you have previously stated, he is still associated with the business.

    1. Well then i sit corrected. I do know he’s in India and has nothing to do with the management of the business. But if he holds the license, he’s connected.

  24. Yes, I saw that too. They came back pretty quickly, LOL.

    I love this. God bless the Fullerton citizens who have the juice to step up and face these buttholes.

      1. I clicked out awhile ago to do some other things for a few minutes, and when I attempted to get back in the site was unavailable.

        1. Oh, it’s still going. Public comments continue til 930.

          Mayor came back in fast after we yelled “do your job” at him at the top of our lungs.

  25. It’s great that Ron hired an attorney who has an excellent team. To hire someone who deals everday with the law in and out of court is an excellent move. To the numb skulls who think this is about money don’t know anything. This is about holding the people who we, the public, hire accountable. This is to make the necessary changes so that another defenseless man or woman doesn’t become a punching or kicking bag for another sadistic coward. This is so the people who we put in charge to manage become responsive to us and not lord over us and sweep the dirt unger the rug.

    1. This attorney is so that Ron and the kid can sue for millions. Has nothing to do with the cops justice. Criminal and Civil.

      1. I hope he gets millions and the city goes bankrupt, the rest of the “silent criminal cops” will be looking for a job, Those under 10 years will get NOTHING from CALPERS…. hope you are among them … boob.

        1. So it’s ok for the crooked cops to go somewhere else and blend in? Doesnt really matter anyways. No one would want to work in Fullerton anymore anyways. When Tony gets Mayor it will be all young kid cops. You will love the use of force with that. 🙂

        1. merijoe, why insult people with GED’s? At least they worked for their degrees instead of buying them at the comic store like Laughing Bob did. Bob’s just jealous that the Thomas family will soon be rich and Bob will still be cleaning toilets and moping floors in the FPD drunk tank. Bob still dreams of becoming a REAL cop when he grows up like the ones he reads about in his favorite comic books.

      2. “Lawyer Bob,” It’s mostly to get the video and other evidence, and to hold people trying desperately to sweep it under the rug, or hunker down until it goes away responsible. But if were about money, so what? Does that justify murder by the 6 cops?
        If you are a lawyer, Bob, you’re either an ADA or jealous because he didn’t hire you, right?

      3. Alvin toffler mentioned that when we have cross currents in civilizations we get war, like the civil war where it was fought brother against brother and father against son. The 2nd wave industrial north won over ther 1st wave agriculteral south. He also mentioned when the 3rd wave starts to take over then the same thing begins except that the war is fought with information instead of bullets where democracy fights to survive against servitude.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Toffler

        1. I read future shock when i was 19. It sent me into a depressing spiral of a funk that I’m not sure I’ve ever fully recovered from…

      4. How can you, as a fellow attorney, spew this crap? Everybody knows that justice will not be served in the criminal adjudication of this matter — the foxes are watching the henhouse. That’s why they have to go after them in civil court — hitting them in the pocketbooks is going to be the only way to effect change. And BTW, “the kid” can’t sue anyone — because your jackbooted buddies beat him to death.

        1. You call yourself an attorney? What was the cause of death, counselor? You seem to know. Figures. This is why there are a 400,000 lawyers in this state. All chasing ambulances and wasting everyone’s time. Setting up the courts so that no one can navigate the waters without one of them standing next to you. Lawyer jokes are usually the best jokes you can tell.

          1. I don’t call myself an attorney. The State Bar does. We don’t know yet what the cause of death is because, conveniently for the gang of 6 and their bootlicking supporters, they haven’t released the pertinent information. There are people saying the tox reports came back negative, but I don’t know where they are purporting to get their information. One of the things that is raising the ire of the public is the ass-dragging by the proper officials. Perhaps if things were a little more transparent, people wouldn’t be so quick to assume there is a cover up.

            And for the record, dickwipe, we aren’t all ambulance chasers. My wife actually used to defend law enforcement in use of force cases. Even coppers need legal counsel. Like the cops, people don’t like lawyers until they need one.

            Now, your point about lawyer jokes is well taken…

  26. The OC DA is corrupted when come to prosecuting cops because He wants the cops union money. In this case, the D.A. stands for Dirty A**hole.

  27. Kelly Thomas civil rights were violated when the FPD beat him because he was mentally ill and homeless and was hanging around a restaurant’s parking lot and thus ruining the ambiance of this restaurant. And why must Kelly Thomas father pay out of his own pocket for a private attorney to file federal civil rights violations when tax dollars fund the Orange County Human Relations Commission supposed champion and protector of the OC’s residents civil rights? Is it due to Pat McKinley’s own personal membership on this commission’s board? Or is Kelly Thomas deemed unworthy of civil rights by this commission?

    1. Ron Thomas isn’t paying anything. The attorney knows he will lock up 35% of the judgement by taking it for free. The attorney can retire already.

  28. Bob the boob is a tool, he is sweating in his bed tonight because his hero cops are murderer’s….. hey boob take an Ambien.

  29. Mr. Boob: SEE #78…check and mate, Sean Francis still the owner of SLIDEBARF. When you guys get off the elephant in India, have him give Mr. Thomas a condolence call.

  30. Hey ADMIN can you post the video of comments made during city council for those who missed it? I’m looking forward to watching the city council turn their backs and walk out again to their respected city.

    1. for weeks after the beating death of his son at the hands of the FPD, Ron Thomas saw Mayor Jones make time and effort to celebrate a library expansion next door to fullerton city hall. Ron Thomas in those first few weeks, wanted answers from Fullerton’s civic leaders and Mayor Jones breezed past him. Mayor Jones actions shows him to be selfish, callous, coward and thus a cruel man unfit to represent the residents of Fullerton.

  31. That was a weird moment, definitely.

    There were a few weird moments tonight.

    I remember Cornpone Jones excusing himself from telling the truth because the city council is forced to abandon their Constitutional rights when the blue sausages kill a guy and run away.

    He said that. He said sometimes, all they can do is nod their heads (and by default, blow you off. remember the “torture” comment?)

    The wheels are coming off. Kelly will win this.

  32. Let us not forget, the cops in the Rodney King case were tried in a local court and acquitted. Then we all know what happened after that. But then, the feds stepped in and guess what happened to those cops?!?! This case makes the Rodney King fiasco look tame by comparison!!

    1. This case is brother against brother, cop against cop. This is a defining case. This will be a historic case. Ron and his people could us leading us all into a better and humane future.

      1. correction:

        This case is brother against brother, cop against cop. This is a defining case. This will be a historic case. Ron and his people could be leading us all into a better and humane future.

    2. “This case makes the Rodney King fiasco look tame by comparison.” Based on what? The fuzzy video on youtube? The street urchin witnesses? The photo of Kelly in the hospital? Looks like Kelly merely lost a 7 minute fight with the cops because he was crazy. None of you know why he died. No cause of death has been determined. His throat was not crushed as most of you believe. The only broken bone in his head was his nose. A couple of facial cuts. And two black eyes due to the broken nose. BFD.

  33. I want to see that little blond lady terrorized everyone on the council- she was great-I thought she was going to turn into the hulk any minute-I see her at the protests all the time-maybe shes one of the organizers. I was scared for that one lady who tried to call our efforts a witch hunt- I thought someone might noogie her or something

    1. she isn’t an organizers. She’s a person who has been around downtown for many years (she used to ride roller-blades everywhere.) she has no vested interest in this situation other than that she’s a very concerned DTF resident and is fucking pissed off. And she happens to be quite articulate.

      1. Articulate, my ass. She sounded like a nut herself. She, along with most everyone in the audience, looked like she escaped from a nuthouse. Just a bunch of boobs with nothing else to do except get applause from like minded fools. Whoopie. What an impact she made. I bet she blogs here with the user name merijoe.

        1. #175 by Free Spirit, My Ass on August 18, 2011

          Everybody who disagrees with you sounds like a nut? Isn’t that a sign of some sort of mental illness?

          I thought you said merijoe is 5 feet tall and weighs half a ton from eating bakery goods? Now she’s the little blond lady who intimidated the City Council? Having a bit of trouble with what Reality Is?

          Say! Do they have pool days in Kansas? “There’s no place like home!!!” Remember! Click your heels together three times. That’s the really important part!

          Bwaaahahahahaha 😎

          1. I have pool days everywhere and anywhere I want, even in Kansas, i suppose. I just choose to keep you informed as to when I’ll be taking one. I know you need to know this information. Tomorrow is a golf AND pool day, and again, there won’t be a homeless person for miles and miles.

  34. A noogie might have been a good thing.

    Anything is better than nothing.

    This was the only Fullerton city council meeting I’ve experienced.

    I noticed that there was very little support for the six.

    The bad guys are running and hiding.

    Enter Kelly’s father. And his lawyer.

    Get ready for another Fullerton beating. And this time, the good guy will win.

  35. oh hell no- thats a mad group- theres no support there- Kellys dad called some of the people “kelly’s army” I like that
    I felt bad for that lady and her daughter who witnessed one of those fat neandrathals in blue punching that drunk guy in the face hard- who is sick enough to condone this other than Josepf Mengele? Im glad she said it there with Steve Gregory sitting behind her, that will get on KFI for sure

  36. #75 by mean machine marine on August 16, 2011

    Please Mean marine, the one eyed cop was also a Marine..Baby Killers….why do you have to be mean? I’m So sick and tired of you violent types nobody likes who you are or what you have done your are no better than a dirty pig… the blood of brown people is on your hands..

    1. Not all Marines are like that, don’t tar all with the same brush, if not for the Marines, and the rest, we’d all be speaking German or Japanese as our primary language, they’d probably have split the country at the Mississippi river. Honor is key in the Corps, with apparently some hopefully few exceptions in the new Marine Corps.

      1. No threading on marines but ex marines should never be police they are trained to kill they are killing machines and do well to protect us from bad people but they are not of the mind set to capture and let go my be the one eyed cop got a flash back of what happened to him because the thug that shot him looked like kelly and his inner solider had to complete the assault just say n.

        1. I know good men from the marine corps. The marines with heart seem to be the strongest of them all, and the wealthiest. The selfish, low ranking types end up washed up when they don’t sober up and grow up. Its the drinking thing.

    2. @136 Love for Kelly… i was in khe sanh, vietnam in 1968. i fought for myself and for the marines next to me to stay alive. i am also involved in this fight for kelly thomas and im at the protest every saturday mornings. i guess that makes me one of kellys Soldiers now. kellys army will soon be kellys heroes.

  37. US military and cops Killing for the oil companies and Halliburton and don’t tell me you kill for my freedom…..or because someone was breaking into a car….Major fail Marine…..No go be someone other than a trained killer.

  38. I never met a cop who was not a pig… Have never met a Marine who was not a killer…….A lot of children were killed in my name in the middle east.

    1. War is ugly, jackass. It’s the sacrifices of our military men and women and their families that allow you to speak your mind, as twisted as it is. If you don’t like it move to another country, preferably one that will kill you for speaking your mind.

      1. wwjd, WWII ended a long time ago.
        Right now, our military men and women are fighting BULLSHIT debt scam wars that do not benefit our freedom of speech or protect our borders, as twisted as it is. If you dont like it, vote Ron Paul.

        1. Stop this. There is no parallel between Kelly and the international conflicts our nation is currently engaged in. I have a good number of friends who are fighting that “bullshit” over in Afghanistan. The stories and pictures I have seen confirm there is a real threat in that part of the world from a culture that would wipe out our entire country if they had the means. Very real stuff you will not hear or see on CNN. War is ugly, and has NOTHING to do with the beating death of Kelly.

          FYI – On the flip side, Kelly was a close friend of mine going back 20+ years. And I wish a terrible fate for all of these officers and their families, so don’t mistake my comment above as showing support for the idiot cop apologists and FPD trolls on here.

          Comparing these cops to our Heroes overseas is just too much of reach – In my opinion.

          1. My symapthies to you Sean and keep fighting the good fight, We are the voice for your friend-Kelly, who was murdered by those neandrathals for nothng and for all those traumatized and terrorized by Blue Beasts everywhere. They will not get way with this ever again and soon will realize they are not above the law. Nazi’s

  39. http://www.ocregister.com/articles/thomas-310953-kelly-records.html

    Here’s a link to an article a couple of weeks ago.
    “The county stepped in and assumed conservator duties in 2003, then in late 2004, and again in 2005 through mid-2006, records show. Ron Thomas said he handed over those duties when he “just didn’t have time” to act as Kelly’s full-time conservator; the money to pay for Kelly’s care and oversight came from his Social-Security stipends. In each case, a judge found that Kelly Thomas was gravely disabled by his mental illness and could not care for himself.”

    Ron has plenty of time now, doesn’t he.

    He’s going to get paid no matter what happens I’m sure he’ll have the time to spend it. He should give it ALL to charity.

    And regarding Kelly’s mom; “Her request for that restraining order says Kelly yelled “very loud” when she asked him to leave the front porch, where he was sleeping. It also says she had called police once before, when Kelly “held me by my neck and would not let go.”
    Cathy Thomas said this week that she didn’t remember details of the incident, but said she and Kelly had probably argued. “He was never violent with me,” she said.”

    Doesn’t remember details? I would remember if my kid c-clamped my neck.

    It’s sick these people are going to get paid for what happened to Kelly. They clearly didn’t give two shits about him when he was alive and needed help and now they are going to profit from their lack of patience and compassion.

    Why doesn’t anyone see that?

    By the way, nice comment by Ron wanting to take a baseball bat to the Mayor. Real classy. If you would have “taken the time” to take care of your son this wouldn’t have happened.

    1. There are baby rapists serving time in prison today.

      …So please explain what Kelly Thomas did that was so egregious that he deserved the be brutally beaten to death?

        1. clearly Kelly deserved to be bludgeoned to death by bully cops because Ron Thomas and his wife had difficulty caring for and living with their mentally ill son. wait WAT?
          wwjd, are you suffering from mental illness yourself or just spewing crap out both ends today??

          1. That led to it. The beating was a result of Kelly’s choice to act suspicious and run when contacted by the police. When caught, he fought. He got his due.

      1. he did nothing, those thugs thought they were a special priveledged class and could get away with anything by dramatically yelling “stop resisting, stop resisting” into their tape recorders so it sounds like they were just doing their jobs-he did nothing but they will soon pay and get their salads tossed by bubba. Gestapo animals

  40. I don’t like to think bad thoughts but It crossed my mind that Kelly’s dad is a very violent man….I read he is retired pig and Marine…He calls those of us who love kelly “kellys Army” why not just kelly’s friends? I spoke at the meeting tonight and I did not like when Mr. Thomas told the old Mayor that he wanted to beat him with a bat, dear god….More violence will not bring Kelly back..I too spent many hours hanging out with Kelly but i never saw is dad before… maybe his sis… I hope dad stops the killing

    1. The whole ordeal is taking its toll on Mr Thomas and the gravity of what has transpired is setting in.

      People tend to snap when they face injustice, enormous pressure and feel that no one is listening to them. I just hope he doesnt snap in a violent way.

        1. WWJD

          YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT ITS LIKE TO CARE FOR A SCHIZOPHRENIC!!!!!! NO IDEA.

          I DO. SO KEEP YOU COMMENTS TO YOURSELF. WHEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF A MENTALLY ILL RELATIVE AND HAVE IT SUCK THE LIFE OUT OF YOU MENTALLY, FINANCIALLY, EMOTIONALLY AND PYSYICALLY GET BACK TO US.

          UNTILL THEN STFU!

          1. dont pay any attention to WWJD- he’s/she’s a greased up chimp troll who’s looking to piss off his/her next victim like those beating, murderous friend of his/hers…if that roach paid attention it would know that nobody turned their backs on anyone-but again,
            who cares what that cartoon character thinks?

    2. Love for Kelly :
      I don’t like to think bad thoughts but It crossed my mind that Kelly’s dad is a very violent man….I read he is retired pig and Marine…He calls those of us who love kelly “kellys Army” why not just kelly’s friends? I spoke at the meeting tonight and I did not like when Mr. Thomas told the old Mayor that he wanted to beat him with a bat, dear god….More violence will not bring Kelly back..I too spent many hours hanging out with Kelly but i never saw is dad before… maybe his sis… I hope dad stops the killing

      What a lying moron. Yeah, you really hung out with schizo-Kelly. Bet you even swapped spit with him sharing cigs, huh?

      OH! (clasping hands to cherubic cheeks) That poor “old Mayor”! (gasp)

      You don’t like to “think bad thoughts” but, you think Ron Thomas is a retired PIG! (blew your cover there, pal)

      1) There’s no such thing as a retired pig, brainac, only live ones, and bacon (like you will soon be).

      2) Mr. Thomas is a retired Deputy Sheriff. Are you like totally bleach blond with big boobs, or just a big boob?

      3) There’s no such thing as a “retired Marine”, blondie.

      You spoke at the meeting tonight? Sure you did. Which one were you, the invisible one? Or just the one in the invisible FPD uniform?

      You A-holes must think we’re all as clueless as you!

      AND STOP USING CITY RESOURCES FOR YOUR TROLLING.

      Taxpayers bought those computers and pay for the internet connection. Do it on your own dime, jerk!

      Yeah, we’re WATCHING you. You really don’t know how many leaks there are, do you. You and the Titanic, baby, going down!

      1. Tough guy. You sure talk a good game.

        He did not retire. He was fired. He was a wanna be deputy. His morals and ethics were terrible, as they are still today.

        You can watch all you want. We will smile at you and move on. You can’t affect anyone.

    3. Kelly never saw his dad, either. Where did you hang out with Kelly? And for hours? What did you guys talk about? Current events? Sports? Cars? Girls? Cigarette butts? Trash? Or did you just stare at one another? And during all these “many hours” why didn’t you give him a place to stay? Quit blowing your own horn. No one believes you had any contact with him and you can’t prove you did so shut up.

    4. “Retired pig”? Wow.

      I understand not wanting anything to be violent, but I don’t think any of us can even BEGIN to imagine what his parents are going through right now. I’d say his comments are about 100 times more mild than mine would be in a similar situation. And I’m a mild-mannered, unintimidating person.

  41. There was an effort during the Clinton administration to track instances of PB but it became a budget cut. It was supported by many powerful groups as PB moved from slums to middleclass.

  42. Does anyone know where I can find a rebroadcast of the meeting tonight online? I don’t have TV and would like to view it. The link at the top of this page is not working. I went to the city’s website but it seems meetings are only shown in a live feed. Thanks

    1. Unfortunately the fullerton city web site has been down for two days, but usually the meetings are archived on the site.

  43. FEDUP :
    So now the city of Fullerton will have two lawsuits to pay out. And Joe Felz wants a raise?? Sorry Mr. Felz, the city of Fullerton will be so busy using our tax dollars to pay for these lawsuits that there will be no money left for your 35% pay increase.

    EXACTLY! These lawsuits are in part because FULLERTON HIRED A LACKEY TO PRESIDE OVER THE GOONS…

    HE is part to blame for the culture of corruption in his city.. RIGHT..

    Well he does not get any consideration for raise until after the trials and if both trials do not cost the city money then he can have some more theft from the mouths of Fullertons children and homeless etc..

    Just like Brownie who did a heckuva job.. this guy has no qualificaitons to run a city.. maybe RUIN A CITY but not run one

  44. This is a classic case of the twin casualties of blood and treasure at the hands of incompetent, irresponsible leaders. The blood: namely, Kelly Thomas, but all indications are there are others who have suffered reptilian attacks by cruel cops here in Fullerton. The treasure: the millions of dollars it’s going to cost us taxpayers in civil-suit payouts. The only consolation to be extracted from this swampy, sinking situation is that heads roll at the highest level, meaning the police chief should stay gone and Mayor Jones and Councilman McKinley and Bankhead should be rousted from office via recall.

  45. LeRoy Murray :
    According to witnesses he was just sitting minding his own business. The “breaking into cars” was allegedly a code designed by the police for a business owner, possibly/probably The Slide Bar, to get quicker response and get the homeless moved along. A boycott of the Slide Bar is a good idea. Allegedly one of the cops, put on a pair of leather gloves as he walked up to Mr. Thomas, saying “these hands are going to kick your ass,” and Mr.Thomas ran in terror. They caught him and bashed his face into the concrete curb, beat him, kicked and hit him, beat him with the butt of a tazer, Tazed him at least 6 times, drop kneed him in the face and throat and this went on for 15 or so minutes, going on with shouts to “stop resisting” long after Mr. Thomas was unconcious and probably already brain dead. My question “Lawyer Bob,” does running in fear, deserve being killed in this manner?

    Yes, or no, ‘Lawyer’ Bob, answer the question or face contempt of this board. Of course, it will probably never equal the scorn your wife and all who know you in real life feel for you, would it ‘lawyer’ Bob? What a cheap phony! You should be tried for impersonating a man. I’ve seen pickup trucks with metal ‘full scrotums’ hanging from the rear bumper. Just think you could finally have a pair of your own!

    1. It’s made up BS on how it happened. Use the facts. Facts show force was necessary. The amount is up to the DA. Video will show the amount used could be reasonable. It will be up to a jury.

  46. #148 by Wwjd on August 17, 2011

    Wwjd :
    You mean the gravity of turning his back on his mentally-ill son?

    How about the gravity the top of your head feels for your backside?

      1. Kinda like how cops get violent when citizens look at them or speak to them “wrong” or question their misguided authority ?

  47. Anonymous :

    FEDUP :
    So now the city of Fullerton will have two lawsuits to pay out. And Joe Felz wants a raise?? Sorry Mr. Felz, the city of Fullerton will be so busy using our tax dollars to pay for these lawsuits that there will be no money left for your 35% pay increase.

    EXACTLY! These lawsuits are in part because FULLERTON HIRED A LACKEY TO PRESIDE OVER THE GOONS…
    HE is part to blame for the culture of corruption in his city.. RIGHT..
    Well he does not get any consideration for raise until after the trials and if both trials do not cost the city money then he can have some more theft from the mouths of Fullertons children and homeless etc..
    Just like Brownie who did a heckuva job.. this guy has no qualificaitons to run a city.. maybe RUIN A CITY but not run one

    Could Felz and Sellers be sued for Dereliction of Duty, and fostering the culture of excessive violence in FPD that lead to Kelly Thomases beating/death?? Garnish their wages and “tax exempt” retirement for life? It WILL take a lot to cover the lawsuits against Fullerton.

    1. Anybody can be sued. Personally I like this idea. But I would go after McPension, too. He created the monster through 20 years of careful nurturing.

  48. Wwjd :
    War is ugly, jackass. It’s the sacrifices of our military men and women and their families that allow you to speak your mind, as twisted as it is. If you don’t like it move to another country, preferably one that will kill you for speaking your mind.

    Or, are you like doing the AC/DC thing tonight?

    Clown shoes!

    1. Wwjd :
      War is ugly, jackass. It’s the sacrifices of our military men and women and their families that allow you to speak your mind, as twisted as it is. If you don’t like it move to another country, preferably one that will kill you for speaking your mind.

      Or, are you like doing the AC/DC thing tonight?

      Oh say, isn’t that sort of schizophrenic?

      Oops, that’s multiple personality disorder isn’t it? Sorry, wrong troll.

      Talk about Keystone Kops. You guys are a RIOT. Riot? Quick, call the pol-lice!

  49. Hey all you greased up chimp trolls who dont like this site but come on it anyway and comment with big testicle comments- why dont you come out to a tuesday night council meet and express all your demonic rants that you post here, on that podium-so everyone can hear them? i thought so, cowards

    1. Why would we do that? You are a Nutball so you have seen council meetings where you are in the minority. Yelling and screaming so you can’t even say what you want. No point. You and your little 50 followers can keep yelling on your own. We are there but watching the free comedy show.

    2. Merijoe: Speaking at a counsel meeting makes you tough? If you’re one of the Jerry Springer audience types I see on the news reports of those meetings, I understand why you think what you do. The booger eating morons that I see on the news at those meetings sound just like what I envisioned they’d look like. A bunch of gray haired hippy throw-back types that have been waiting for a long time to squeal like the smelly pigs they are. No thanks. I can imagine the smell of the counsel chambers after the vermin audience leaves. Besides, it’s much more fun to screw with you and your type on this site. So, F U !

  50. @ Kelly’s Army… Just so you know the truth. (also I in know way endorse and agree with the WWJD caricature). You said, and I quote.”It’s the sacrifices of our military men and women and their families that allow you to speak your mind”, Our military has not fought a war for freedom since WWII. Every single war / conflict that our brave men and women have given their all to has been to line the pockets of the very rich and Shadow government (Military industrial complex) that has hijacked our country. I know that all those whom have made the sacrifice do truly believe that they are fighting for freedom. Yes all of OUR freedoms. But the truth is, they are doing a job for the military industrial complex, that is the tool of the elite of this world. The final nail has been placed in OUR coffin and it is set to be driven soon, very soon. It starts with this…
    there are powers at work in this world that have had a plan to destroy the very fabric of our constitutional principals at every turn, and the economic plundering of the American people was just one phase of that plan. Remember this is not a left right conflict. That is promoted to keep us polarized and from joining together as one, which is their greatest fear. The banking cartels of this world have contrived to destroy us and Bush / Obama are just tools to accomplish that agenda. A major win for them and loss for us just occurred this last month when they past the debt ceiling plan. That plan included the formulation of a super congress of 12 handpicked representatives to make and initiate all new laws to govern us. This has effectively remove the power of Congress, (which was designed to create a check and balance system), and put it directly into the hands of these twelve. The kicker is the President will have the deciding 13th vote on all things brought up in front of them. No debate, No amendments. No discussions. Just a Yes or No vote on all business. And the best part???? If you were the unlucky ones to voice your opposition to a balanced budget and less spending? YOU WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED for this position on the super congress. We have been hijacked. This will go down in history as the biggest non violent Coup’ de dat known to the civilized world. So yes our brave men and women fight for something, however it appears that now they are fighting for the 13 people in this Super Congress. Just so you know. I know the truth hurts.

    1. There is a pattern. All armies evaporate when fuel supplies run out. Oil runs the economy and everything else. Oil supplies are shrinking world wide. demand is out running production, so people world wide are now standing at a turning point in history scratching their heads trying to figure out what they are going to do.

  51. this is a case of a internal Cover Up from the very beginning, allowing the fullerton cops to view the video tape together and write their reports at the same time.

      1. Is it standard procedure to notify the D.A 2 days after a violent incident, causing a man to go into a coma? No it’s not. I work in Law Enforcement. The D.A should have been notified that night but he wasn’t. They were notified two days after, thus giving the officers 2 days to complete a report that would not contradict the video. Reality is, you are what’s wrong with law enforcement, it’s people like you who hinder law enforcement from progressing into a more diplomatic profession because you believe you are the law. You are pathetic. Standard procedure to put hands on a man and for the cop to tell him, “these are the hands that will kick your ass.” Is that standard procedure? You are as idiotic as that thin blue line you cowards hide behind. Times are changing, no more of this cover-up nonsense will save face any longer. One last thing, it is already being proven that Kenton Hampton can’t write a truthful police report, don’t you think that is going to prove his lack of validity of his testimony a bit? Standard procedure for 6 officers beating a KNOWN HOMELESS SCHIZO to death. You’ll get what’s coming to you, if continue to think the way you do.

        1. by ThinBlueNonsense on August 17, 2011

          Is it standard procedure to notify the D.A 2 days after a violent incident, causing a man to go into a coma? No it’s not. I work in Law Enforcement. The D.A should have been notified that night but he wasn’t. They were notified two days after, thus giving the officers 2 days to complete a report that would not contradict the video. Reality is, you are what’s wrong with law enforcement…

          Gads, but it is refreshing to finally see a post from a current REAL law enforcement person here. I keep telling you people, all cops in America aren’t like FPD. The FPD is corrupted! Law Enforcement where I live are professionals, they act like it, and at times like this I’m darn proud of them!

          Citizens of Fullerton keep protesting, and keep going to the City Council meetings. If you are patient and persistent you CAN clean up your city. Just remember to VOTE. That is the strongest weapon you have, your vote.

  52. What was “classy”- WWJD and all you other useless devils-is this:
    “According to witnesses Kelly was just sitting minding his own business. The “breaking into cars” was allegedly a code designed by the police for a business owner, possibly/probably The Slide Bar, to get quicker response and get the homeless moved along. A boycott of the Slide Bar is a good idea. Allegedly one of the cops, put on a pair of leather gloves as he walked up to Mr. Thomas, saying “these hands are going to kick your ass,” and Kelly ran in terror.
    The animals caught him and bashed his face into the concrete curb, beat him, kicked and hit him, beat him with the butt of a tazer, Tazed him at least 5 times, drop kneed him in the face and throat and this went on for 15 or so minutes, going on with shouts to “stop resisting” long after Mr. Thomas was unconcious and probably already brain dead.”

    class act, the baseball bat comment was long overdue

  53. love for kelly you need to get your head out of your ass and see things as they really are…!!!
    whos side are you on anyways bad mouthing mr. ron thomas and me, a marine???????????

    1. Marine, you are responding to an Internet troll. It makes more sense to talk to a cockroach. Don’t wear yourself out Marine. The vast majority of Americans recognize and appreciate your sacrifices.

  54. I have a few questions for those more knowledgeable than I in the details of city government:

    I’ve been following the Thomas case and I am outraged like the rest of you. I’ve read many (not all) the postings and media reports, watched the videos and heard the testimonies as well as attended the city council meetings. I agree with most everything that is stated.

    Before I submit my questions, I want to extend to the Thomas family my condolences. I am so sorry for your loss and the circumstances surrounding your dear son’s death. This is horrendous. Our family (Fullerton residents) supports you in your pursuit of justice.

    However, I’m confused about somethings…

    *I want to know what the exact “official” role city council members have had in the functioning of the police department?

    *Are they (council members) responsible for the hiring of the police chief?

    *Are they (council members) responsible for the police officers discipline?

    *Are they (council members) responsible for release of the report to the community when the attack occurred?

    *Isn’t the city manager the key player here in decisions that have been made or rather ‘haven’t been made’? …Like the delay in releasing info to the public about what happened to Kelly?

    *For what it’s worth …let me also reassure you, too, that I believe these officers should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law; however, I wonder about the trial (assuming they are charged). Will it now have to be moved out of the city, county and even possibly delayed due to the wide spread media coverage and protest that is occurring?

    Thank you for any clarification you can provide.

    Momof4js

  55. Seriously, Love for Kelly, your politics and anti-military bent are distracting from the real issue at hand — the beating of Thomas Kelly. It is not only pointless to be painting all law enforcement as “pigs” and all Marines as “baby killers” — you are actually detracting from your side’s ability to make reasoned arguments. The rest of us are getting painted with the same broad brush as activists and extremists because of the knuckleheaded comments of a few, like yourself. It’s your opinion, fine. Sure, you have a right to say it. But I have a right to disagree, and that doesn’t make me a pig or a baby killer or mean that I agree with what the FPD did to Mr. Kelly. Emotions are high. I get it. But save the vitriol for other injustices for another forum. At issue here is whether the FPD needs to pay for the beating death of Thomas Kelly. Ranting and spewing hatred for anyone who served in the military is hurting that cause — because there are people on the side of Thomas Kelly who not only disagree with your sentiments, but who are rightly offended.

    1. @by Concerned on August 17, 2011

      Concerned, as I pointed out to the Marine, the alleged Kelly ‘Lover’ is a troll (probably a member of the FPD or a girl/boyfriend). If you feel they are not accurately portraying your concerns it is very likely intentional. They WANT to make you look and feel bad. As for political activists. They are not ‘evil’ as the FPD trolls keep telling you. Our Founding Fathers were all political activists! It is a time honored tradition in America, and in my humble opinion, a necessary component of any healthy democracy.

      All the best,
      Xer

  56. outraged :
    Thanks for acknowledging that Ron Thomas had never even passed probation as a deputy, which means, HE NEVER MADE IT TO THE STREETS NY HIMSELF. He was asked to resign or be fired. I also heard he has money problems, public records show he has many liens on his property. He was in major financial trouble before this, see the motivation here….greed and money!!!

    Who doesn’t have money problems in this economy? Yes that is the American Dream…We are all hoping one of our loved one’s will be beat to death so that we can cash in! Stupid!

  57. outraged :
    Thanks for acknowledging that Ron Thomas had never even passed probation as a deputy, which means, HE NEVER MADE IT TO THE STREETS NY HIMSELF. He was asked to resign or be fired. I also heard he has money problems, public records show he has many liens on his property. He was in major financial trouble before this, see the motivation here….greed and money!!!

    His son was murdered you heartless idiot. Kelly didn’t deserve to die and his father has every right to stand up for him.

    You make me sick.

    1. His son was murdered but he hadn’t talked to his son in 10 years! He could have cared less about his son. Oh he loved him now though. Using 15 year old pictures and putting on a front of love and father son relations. I guess $10 million will do that to you.

      1. The Reality is 6 angry FPD baboons murdered a man on video. Your brothers in arms have had it. Not even out whitewash DA can cover their sorry asses.

        Get those cells ready at Corcoran!

        1. Hey, Desert Rat! What did each of the 6 cops do exactly? Just pick one of the 6. Any one of the 6. Come on, what does the video show? Can you see punching? Kicking? Kneeing? Choking? The video shows nothing. All you can hear is Kelly yelling and the taser being used. How was it used? If Kelly’s throat was smashed, how was he yelling? Or did his throat get damaged at the very end? Just answer a single one of these questions. I dare you. I didn’t think so. As far as Corcoran statement, prepare to be disappointed.

      2. Reality Is :
        His son was murdered but he hadn’t talked to his son in 10 years! He could have cared less about his son. Oh he loved him now though. Using 15 year old pictures and putting on a front of love and father son relations. I guess $10 million will do that to you.

        Who are you to presume to know what his relationship was with his son or how he felt about his son? The more you talk, the more you sound like one of those goons who killed Kelly.

        A fellow HUMAN was brutally murdered and there’s no justifying it.

        1. It’s public knowledge. He abandoned him years ago. Ron Thomas is that kind of person. His character is questionable in a big way.

          Murder. Won’t happen. You will see. Reality Is…..

          1. It’s “public knowledge.” what a fucking moron and useless tool. Go back to beating your meat and drinking red bull and vodka’s at Slidebarf, you dumb ass-fuck.

    2. We are All One: If you’re sick, take some Pepto Bismol. If facts make you sick, tough. His son was not “murdered.” He has no right to stand up for someone he had no interest in, regardless if it was his son or not. He had nothing to do with Kelly for several years, nor did Kelly’s mother, other than to get a restraining order against him. Now they’re both parents of the year. “He was a great kid, no one was a stranger”, “he was a free spirit”, “he was a drifter.” What a bunch of BS. He was their son, but you’d never know it by the way they treated him. Again, “mom” finds him asleep on her porch and instead of bringing him in to clean up or grab a bite, she calls the police!!! Thanks, mom. Daddy had opportunities to help Kelly, but no, the father of the year says he’s done with Kelly and that Kelly knows better than to call him. Both parents are scum. Can you imagine calling the police on your homeless son, the son that CAME OUT OF YOU WOMB, instead of bringing him in for a meal or shower??? Now, of course, they portray themselves as a really close knit family that cared for one another. The BS meter is pegged.

      1. by Free Spirit, My Ass on August 17, 2011

        “The BS meter is pegged.”

        Yes, it was pegging from the beginning of your brain dead post to the end. Frankly, ‘My Ass’ you can kiss MY Ass. You have NO clue what it is like to deal with a mentally ill family member, year after year, and what a toll it takes on your spirit. After decades the constant drain finally gave me a heart attack, you damned JACKASS! And I HAD to give up on him to save my own life. I told him I just couldn’t protect him anymore, he was going to have to look out for himself, and I took some time off from looking after him to look after my own health. Before I’d recovered enough to baby sit him again, he died. I’ve had to live with that from the day he was found dead, and I have to live with it every day until I die myself. You damned FOOL! You know NOTHING about the constant struggle the Thomas family had to deal with and every one of your posts is pure ignorant infantile drivel. Grow up! In fact, grow a brain since you have neither a heart nor a brain! Your Internet handle is apropos because YOU ARE A REAL _ LIFE _ ASS.

        You want We are All One “to take some Pepto Bismol?” Why don’t you take a ‘lead pill?’ If you’ve lost the bullet Sheriff Andy gave you, I’ll be more than happy to provide you with a replacement.

        I really hope all six of you go to prison for life because you serve absolutely no constructive purpose to society on the outside. Kelly Thomas had far greater value as a human being than you ever will. People liked hem.

        Who likes you?

        1. Damn “Free Spirit, My Ass” you just got your oversize custard-filled ass HANDED to you. How does it feel to be so factually incorrect, soulless, and pathetic all at the same time? I hope you choke on your next doughnut.

        2. There you go again, thinking of no one but yourself. “I had to”, “I couldn’t” “I,I,I, me,me,me.” Well, I, too, am selfish at times. Like now; a mixed drink or a beer? I’ll have to flip a coin. And get myself a tissue to dab my eyes after reading your bullshit self-pity post.

          1. Free Spirit, My Ass on August 18, 2011

            bullshit self-pity post?

            Yeah, since it was my REAL life’s experiences it was necessary to use the first person pronoun to describe it. _I_ actually know of which I speak. _You_ are an ignorant lying filthy troll divorced from reality by your own choosing. Since everything you post is pure LIES you can pretend to be any name you use in each post. You can lie about Ron Thomas, his wife, and dead son who can no longer defend himself, since you and your pals murdered him. You can lie about me, or Justice for ALL, merijoe, Stud Lee, Jiminy, or any of the other honest people posting here. The only thing you are incapable of doing besides feeling anything is tell the truth.

            Nothing you say has any Truth. And, everyone who reads your filth can see that.

            NOTHING you say has any validity, only ignorance.

            Nothing you post matters to anyone except you and your corrupt murdering bully-buddies.

            You are too morally bankrupt to realize it wasn’t self-pity you were reading, It WAS and IS awareness and empathy for the Thomas family’s trials and travails based on very real and painful personal experience. Since psychopaths are incapable of empathy no one can expect you to understand anything anyone else feels. Keep posting your LIES. You only hurt your own cause.

            However, you might want to go ahead and use that tissue to wipe yourself with. Your posts still stink of filthy LIES and vile corruption.

            Who likes you? Still haven’t thought of anyone? It must have been painful that both your parents hated you so much they constantly blamed your birth on each other, eh?

            Who likes you? How long has it been since your wife made love to you instead of someone else?

            Who likes you? Lots of people liked Kelly Thomas. Many of Fullerton’s citizens have posted their firsthand experiences of him earlier in these blogs. They spoken of how gentle he was, how polite he was, and how he never panhandled them for any money, how he even REFUSED offered handouts! They posted they never saw any evidence of the drug use you keep LYING and claiming he did. Everything real people have posted here flies in the face of your filthy LIES. Anyone interested can find them if willing to dig back for them. Those posts are still here somewhere, although as I’ve complained before, the site admin has made no effort to make researching older blogs here easy. That’s a shame. In any case, all evidence points out that you are a stinking FPD LIAR.

            But hey, who likes you anyway?

            …..nobody! That’s GOTTA hurt, or at least it would if you were not a psychopath incapable of feeling. Yeah, enjoy your pretend cocktail sitting next to your imaginary pool ‘miles away from homeless people.’ Stinking filthy liar.

          2. Free Spirits in your Ass: Damn you probably think your posts are hillarious but you keep coming back even after you are eviscerated by the responses. Xer owns you in ways not seen since the days of slavery. Xer’s intelligence, wit, and moral character far exceed yours in every possible way.

            Being an evil scumsucking asshole and all, does your soul actually burn your insides? Do you need extra bright lights in your house to compensate for the darkness eminating from withing? Or do you have to physically scurry into the shadows when those lights come on?

            Does being less intelligent than the vast majority of people you will ever meet cause you anger? Does that anger add to the burning sensation your evil soul gives you?

            Do you find it insulting when people cross the street so they don’t have to walk past you and get your bacony lard smell on their clothes?

            Ah hell I’m done. This guy says it better than I ever could anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsCuurneZVE

  58. This Fullerton police outfit, as well as the City council has demonstrated themselves to be corrupt organizations. The evasiveness and posture of the City and its relationships to the Orange County District Attorney’s Office and Fullerton’s police personnel are a glaring conflict of interest that cannot adequately or justly serve the public interest at large. The fact that the Thomas videotape has not been publically released says volumes about its content – and would perhaps start an immediate riot. But if this is what society needs to get the point across about BASIC LIBERTY and personal safety to these Fullerton ‘officials’ and their ‘officers’ then let the chips fall where they may! As for the digital tape recording itself, it might possibly have been edited / photoshopped in the last few weeks to minimize damage to the city and its rogue officers. This could be easily detected by a computer forensics expert. All six cops involved should be charged with Federal violations and State violations ranging from Assault with a deadly weapon; Assault with intent to do great bodily injury, Assault under color of authority, Releasing false public information of the incident and withholding evidence of a possible crime. By now that videotape should be in the public domain to assure Fullerton’s citizens that they can TRUST their police department to PROTECT them and not beat them to death in a confrontation. These jackass Fullerton cops probably don’t remember Rodney King and the LAPD beating case but we sure do, and this type of behavior by police officers will simply not be tolerated in the United States of America. There is no excuse at all for this performance.

    1. Great post 440.

      I couldn’t help myself from telling an FPD officer last night “looks like you’re outnumbered this time.”

          1. You don’t pay anything. No one has gone anywhere. Everyone is just watching you tree buggers make fools of yourselves.

          2. Funny, the cops still get paid. Let me know when you think you want to stop paying and I’ll let you know if it’s alright. Nope, it’s not alright. You have to keep paying until I say you can stop. That’s not likely. I’m sure the cops appreciate the support. Happy, Fag?

    2. Riot?? The tape will show nothing except a wrestling match that Kelly lost. It goes on for 6-7 minutes. If the cops were so brutal, why did it take that long. If they were as ruthless as all 25 of you say they were, the incident would have been over in seconds, not minutes. When the tape is released, you and those like you will scream that it was altered because it shows exactly what it was…a wrestling match that Kelly lost. Don’t worry, the “chips” will fall where they may, alright, but without a sound. No one but the 25 dolts that whine on this site will be upset.

      1. You are giving away the secrets. Let them keep thinking it’s murder and poor little innocent Kelly was sitting on a park bench reading his math book when they all beat him. They will learn it was a full on fight soon enough.

        1. @Free Spirit, My Ass and Justice will Prevail…Not Guilty, You are both truly sociopaths, aren’t you?? You don’t have any conscience at all!! You are just completely clueless and remorseless about the fact that 6 officers, threatened, kicked, beat with batons, Tasered, knee dropped, slammed his head into the curb, and bludgeoned to death a mentally ill, unarmed man. And, all this took place while Kelly was lying face down, hogtied on the pavement for 15 minutes, only screaming for mercy and for his dad. And, the officers kept on bludgeoning Kelly, even after Kelly was unconscious.

          You are truly unbelieveable and despicable in your defense of Kelly’s murderers. You MUST be one of the murders, or related to them. No one else would be so stupid as to defend such an egregious crime.

          You are a complete fool if you think that anyone in their right mind believes that this “full on fight” was anything less than the murder of a helpless, defenseless man, committed by six thugs under the color of authority. The officers did not have the right to be jury, judge and executioner. They did not have the right to deprive Kelly of his right to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness and the right to due process of law. I don’t care what Kelly was doing; he was no threat to the officers lives. This was not self defense; it was murder.

          So, why are you trying to defend this blatant murder?? What have you got to lose?? Maybe your freedom when you go to jail for your crimes??? “…a full on fight..” You make me puke.

          BTW, Kelly was not a “free spirit,” he was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia and needed extra help and protection from thugs like you. People with brain disorders need compassion, help and protection; they DON’T need to be murdered. If the weakest among us can not count on the officers to protect them and help them, and safeguard their civil rights- then what good are the officers???

          People who suffer from mental illnesses have brain disorders every bit as real as those who suffer from Parkinson’s Disease, Alzheimers, or Multiple Sclerosis, It is estimated that 3 million people in the U.S. have schizophenia. Each year, roughly 300,000 new cases of schizophrenia are diagnosed.

          Are you planning to murder all of the people who suffer from schizophrenia who are paranoid and who try to run away from terrifying situations, especially when they are verbally threatened with being beaten?? The officers proved all too well that Kelly’s fears were extremely well founded; Kelly knew that the officers planned to make good on their verbal threats and Kelly was terrified of what the officers planned to do to him. Anyone in Kelly’s same mental state would have run.

          And, no, I’m not going away. You and your brothers in blue WILL be brought to justice. You thugs have finally crossed the line one too many times. And, your arrogant rhetoric on this blog isn’t gaining you any sympathy votes. You obviously talk like you have no fear of any repercussions for this murder. I say it’s time for murderers to stop getting away with murder. I could write to you in prison if you like…and say, “I told you so.” Enjoy your freedom while it lasts. In fact, if I were you, I wouldn’t be wasting my remaining days as a free man writing on this blog.

          1. The main problem is that you are believing all the BS hype and not looking at the facts. It wasn’t 6 cops, and exactly what happened you really have no clue about. Now hogtied for 15 minutes while they kept beating him. You are making the story even better as the days go on.

            Let’s set up a scene. Do you honestly think that it is even at all possible for a 135 pound transient drug freak to lay on the ground not moving and 6 cops beat him non stop for 7 minutes? Impossible. Can’t happen. You will see once the video comes out for trial that Kelly was a fighter. If he had a mental illness, cops don’t know that. They will ask every cop in that PD and others, do you know of anyone that has a mental illness in your city? Nope. Most transients and drug addicts have mental issues but the extent is never known. And it really doesn’t matter when they become violent. They are treated like any other human unit they are restrained and taken into custody. To think otherwise would be asinine. So Kelly fought, he fought hard for 7 minutes, and he got his ass kicked.

            The cops had and still have every right to defend themselves against a violent person.

            You will see. Give it time. The facts are the key, not the BS on this blog. This blog is all lies.

            Yes, anyone no matter who it is in this world if they assault citizens or the police they will be assaulted back until they give up. It is what it is. Only reason this case was different was because the cops didn’t get killed.

            No one is going to prison. I’m write here so start writing.

          2. Dear Justice for All: Please take a powder and a chill pill. Sympathy from those on this blog is the last thing I want. I couldn’t care less what all 25 of you think. I’m more concerned about going dove hunting on the upcoming opener. And, of course, those great pool days I keep informing you guys about. It’s just great to see all of you emotional types getting your panties all in a bunch over simple posts. Again, NO ONE CARES! It’ll be a memory soon.

      2. by Free Spirit, My Ass on August 17, 2011

        “Riot?? The tape will show nothing except a wrestling match that Kelly lost”

        Really? A ‘wrestling match’ put Kelly in a coma and made him brain dead?

        Your post? More ignorant infantile drivel by the poster child for abortion.

        Can’t wait until the FBI finishes and you get sent where you belong.

    3. Pity the California Governor lacks either the integrity or the courage to have CHIPS take over policing in Fullerton until the corruption can be purged from the FPD. Sounds like not only a Fullerton City political crises, but a California State political crises as well. You folks need to remember this at the next State election as well as the next City Council election. And, hey, you can always do volunteer campaign work for whomever is running against your incumbent Governor, and State Prosecuting Attorney. Remember!

      One last thing: Don’t give up, make this so loud and so long none of the FPD will ever be able to get jobs in Law Enforcement anywhere else because every police department in America will remember the name of FPD and the stench that goes with it.

        1. Votes don’t matter in America? You might want to tell that to the Tea Party! Volunteer campaign work makes no difference? Sure helped get Barack Obama elected President of the USA.

          Who is out of touch with reality?

          Yeah, you remember posting that when you start your Federal time, sport. I’ll remember while laughing at the videos of you in handcuffs being led away with tail between your legs.

        1. Free Spirit, My Ass on August 18, 2011
          Yeah!! If you get all 25 of you to vote……

          If you weren’t scared you wouldn’t feel a need to try and discount my posts. Clearly people here ARE making an impression, enough to give you trollish night sweats

        2. Which is it? 25? or 50? S’matter you boyz don’t have a video to synch up your story this time?
          Clearly the 25-50 ‘illegals?’ here are making a dent, or you wouldn’t be running scared. Keep posting. Your trollish LIES only help the cause of Justice for Kelly.

          Oh, yeah, who likes YOU?

  59. California has the death penalty. You can bet that if it was a private citizen who beat Thomas to death, they would be facing the death penalty. Should council or the FBI find the officers involved not guilty, this could possibly start another Rodney King riot. I lived in Cali during those riots in Orange county, and it wasn’t pretty….those riots would never have happened if Rodney’s case outcome had been….”justice served”…..It took the feds stepping in to get justice in that case……Thank God for cameras being everywhere these days!

    1. Research death penalty cases. This wouldn’t come close to a death penalty case for a civilian. This will be a good trial to watch for two cops, but prepare for not guilty.

  60. #184 by mean machine marine on August 17, 2011

    love for kelly you need to get your head out of your ass and see things as they really are…!!!
    whos side are you on anyways bad mouthing mr. ron thomas and me, a marine???????????

    I bet you were one of those dumb jocks in high school that picked on all the other students who were different just to make yourself feel better. It’s time to put down the tools of war and hate and go do something nice and kind for somebody. I know you are a marine, please don’t hurt me.

    1. Got to say yeah, you are being an ass by just blanket insulting marines like that. And severely detracting from the pertinent issues at hand. A movement for justice for the victims of police brutality should welcome the support of Marines or other servicemen of all types. I know I do.

  61. I would say there are several forces at work. One is lack of accountability, stemming from lack of competition in the law enforcement industry. Since police have a government monopoly on their “services,” they are never at threat of losing their jobs. Taxation funds them endlessly, regardless of whether they do a good job, do a terrible job, serve their customers, or kill their customers. Thus, there is little incentive to do the right thing when one of them goes astray. If Target employees start killing shoplifters willy-nilly, Target will likely see a drop in profit from angry or frightened customers, which will quickly cause Target to change their practices. Police face no such threat. The angrier people get, in fact, the more funding and support they get. When people are rioting, protesting, or threaten them for killing innocent people, they turn it to their advantage, and engage in all kinds of deceptive PR practices, declaring themselves the victims of increased violence, increased hostility, and ask the government for more funding, more bullet-proof vests, more legal protection, and even tanks.

    Another important element is the legal framework in this country, which treats police as a higher class. For example, people who assault or kill police receive higher penalties than those who assault us “ordinary” people. This makes no sense, really. Should killing a teacher, charity worker, or an ER doctor who has saved hundreds of lives really less of a crime than killing a police officer? Especially a police officer like the ones who murdered Kelly Thomas? In addition, police receive civil immunity for many actions they take in the course of their employment

    Another is police culture, and the culture of lionizing public servants. Police are seen by themselves, and society as a higher order of human beings. They protect each other and keep each others’ secrets because they think they are better than everyone else. If any cop dares stray, he will be ostracized, or perhaps fired. This makes it even more difficult to keep anyone accountable.

    1. Some of your points were spot on.

      The other points were just your activist mentality that all police are in the same circle you refer to. Policing has changed alot over the last 20 years. Management wants the right thing done. Accomplishing that isn’t always easy but when bad cops are found, they are fired much quicker than they were 5, 10, 20 years ago.

      Sellers was a very knowledgeable person. He taught at local colleges and I believe he would never just allow a rampant, corrupt, excessive force department. I guess we will never know. This case will probably do what everyone wants and get rid of 1 or 2 bad cops.

      1. being knowlegeable/smart/elaquent/happy/good looking/rich/powerful/or a teacher does not mean you cant possibly be guilty of anything or make wrong decisions or ne a corrupt pig-look at bernie madoff and the jail is full of knowlegeable/smart/elaquent/happy/good looking/rich/powerful/professionals with PHD’s- your point is not reality, its denial

        1. You are so classless. You are an embarrasment to your uniform. Soon, the only uniform you will wear will be prison garb. I guess you have lots of time to blog while you’re sitting at your new desk job, right?

          1. Desk job? Everyone is on paid leave in the beach houses in Newport. Come hang out with us.

  62. #209 by Jiminy on August 17, 2011

    Got to say yeah, you are being an ass by just blanket insulting marines like that. And severely detracting from the pertinent issues at hand. A movement for justice for the victims of police brutality should welcome the support of Marines or other servicemen of all types. I know I do.

    I’m just saying trained killers have no place as peace officers… I’m sure if he could, Kelly would agree.

    1. @ Love for Kelly, “trained killers” in our military wouldn’t hurt a fly unless they absolutely had to. In fact, they are more knowledgeable and trained in upholding our Constitional rights and preserving life, liberty and happiness than most citizens. They VALUE life because they know all too well how fragile it is. Our military is comprised of high school teachers, engineers, mathmaticians, businessmen, doctors, dentists, search and rescue pilots, supply experts, mechanics, accountants, etc. They are all trained to be “soldiers” and also trained in self defense and first aid, etc. They serve willingly, at the will of the people and our government, to preserve our freedoms. However, that being said, ALL law enforcement should undergo very strict screening and reviews to make sure that no sociopaths (those who have no conscience), or those with an axe to grind, such as the infamous Fullerton one-eyed cop, are allowed to “serve and protect.” In the military, those who are mentally ill, or who have personality disorders, are usually discharged when they are discovered.

      What is a sociopath?
      Antisocial Personality Disorder is also known as psychopathy or sociopathy. Individuals with this disorder have little regard for the feeling and welfare of others. As a clinical diagnosis it is usually limited to those over age 18. It can be diagnosed in younger people if the they commit isolated antisocial acts and do not show signs of another mental disorder.
      Antisocial Personality Disorder is chronic, beginning in adolescence and continuing throughout adulthood. There are ten general symptoms:

      • not learning from experience
      • no sense of responsibility
      • inability to form meaningful relationships
      • inability to control impulses
      • lack of moral sense
      • chronically antisocial behavior
      • no change in behavior after punishment
      • emotional immaturity
      • lack of guilt
      • self-centeredness

      1. Negative..PTSD is not determined until after they are released. There is no testing for that or for any other psychiatric problems that stem from military service. I give praise to the military for doing what they do, they just don’t belong in law enforcement ….period. There are more calls for diplomatic calls then there are need for a sniper or swat team to come in. This is Orange County not Iraq. Militants don’t understand what diplomacy means. Military are conditioned, not educated. I’d rather a city run by those who use diplomacy with the communities.

        1. @ThinBlueNonsense, I disagree with you. Something tells me that you have no personal experience with being in the military. Our military men and women are HIGHLY educated and trained. They are civil engineers and teachers, etc. who go to Afghanistan and Iraq to rebuild schools, build water supplies, electrical plants, bridges, roads, hospitals, etc. Our U.S. military personnel put their lives on the line every day to protect Afghanistan and Iraqi civilians; they take gifts of school supplies and candies, food, water, shoes, etc. to the children and families. They make friends and build trusting relationships with the civilians and military that they work with and train. Don’t try to tell me that our military men and women don’t know what diplomacy means.

          Nevertheless, ALL civilian law enforcement personnel must be thoroughly screened, no matter what their previous backgrounds might be. Ex Military are not the only ones who have mental illness or personality disorders, etc. Active duty military personnel ARE screened and discharged for psychiatric illnesses.

          The following are some comments for you to consider:

          “The military does in my opinion a very good job of weeding out prospective recruits that display any sort of mental illness or dis-order. A few may slip through the cracks but I believe the amount of people with mental issues is less than other job sectors. For example; Postal Workers?”
          Source(s):
          11B GTG ROTC

          “The military is doing a very good job of helping soldiers with mental issues. We need soldiers with the ability to concentrate on the task at hand. For example, you cant flip out during engagement. If your physician assistant suspects even a PTSD, you will spend a lot of time in Troop Medical Clinic.”
          Source(s):
          U.S. Army – 68W combat medic

          Here is an article from the MarineCorpsTimes

          Troops booted for pre-existing mental issues

          By Kelly Kennedy – Staff writer
          Posted : Friday Dec 10, 2010 15:26:04 EST

          From 2003 to 2008, more people were separated from the military within their first year of service for “pre-existing” psychiatric conditions than for any other reason, according to a military report.

          Those discharges do not qualify a service member for medical benefits or medical retirement pay after leaving.

          Twenty-two percent of soldiers who were given “existed prior to service,” or EPTS, discharges had psychiatric conditions, while 42 percent of Marine Corps EPTS discharges fell under that category. The figures for the Navy and Air Force were 24 percent and less than 1 percent, respectively.

          Whether the Marine Corps is not screening its new recruits for mental health issues as well as the other services, or whether other factors are at work, is not clear.

          According to the 2010 Accession Medical Standards Analysis & Research Activity Report, the Army approved 1,231 waivers for anxiety, dissociative and somatoform disorders from 2004 until 2009, and another 522 for depressive disorder.

          The Marines gave out 766 waivers during the same period for neurotic, mood, somatoform, dissociative or fictitious disorder, and 230 for “disturbance of emotions specific to childhood and adolescence.”

          But discharges for pre-existing mental health conditions far exceed recruitment waivers for those conditions. Psychiatric discharges are the top diagnosis for pre-existing discharges for Marines and soldiers. From 2004 to 2009, 4,359 soldiers and 3,636 Marines were discharged during their first year of service for pre-existing psychiatric conditions.

          Many, if not most, of those service members probably did not see combat because they were discharged while still in training.

          The second-most common disability discharge for soldiers from 2004 to 2009 was for “affective and nonpsychotic mental disorders.” In 2009, 2,798 soldiers left the Army on such discharges. The Marine Corps discharged 528 people for those disorders. The Air Force and the Navy’s rates are far lower.

          The Marines “have more guys in combat, so they have more cases of PTSD than the Navy,” said retired Army Lt. Col. Mike Parker, a veterans advocate who helps troops get correct disability retirement discharge ratings. “There aren’t too many sailors doing combat deployments — just the docs and SEALs. The Marine Corps is all combat.”

          Parker said that while most of the discharges for pre-existing conditions are among service members who have been in uniform only a short time, some are still being diagnosed with pre-existing psychiatric conditions after they’ve been in for several years and have served in combat — even more worrisome to veterans advocates who say that combat experience may play a role in their mental health issues.

          “I’m working with several Marines in that situation right now,” Parker said.

          Two years ago, Congress refined the rules for discharging people for “personality disorder” as a pre-existing condition after it became clear that many of troops really had PTSD or symptoms of that disorder that was caused by their combat experience. Discharges for personality disorder have subsequently declined, but Parker noted that discharges for other mental conditions have jumped since pre-existing personality disorder “became verboten” as a diagnosis for troops with combat experience.

          According to the Armed Forces Health Surveillance Center report, adjustment disorder diagnoses rose from 35,774 in 2006 to 51,545 in 2009. Over the same period, anxiety disorder diagnoses rose from 14,140 to 23,609 and PTSD diagnoses rose from 8,416 to 14,193.

          Personality disorder diagnoses decreased from 7,459 to 5,020.

          Four senators wrote a letter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates in October asking him to address a “new loophole” that allows the military to discharge service members for “adjustment disorder” or a similar condition when they actually have PTSD.

          Service members discharged specifically for PTSD are entitled to an automatic disability rating of 50 percent, which comes with health care and other benefits. Adjustment disorder discharges do not bring the same benefits.

          “While it is a good thing that the Pentagon has moved away from unfairly discharging combat troops by erroneously claiming a service member had a personality disorder rather than addressing the harmful effects of combat stress, we need to ensure a new method is not being used to deny combat veterans the care and benefits they deserve,” the senators wrote. “Unfortunately, the recent drop in discharges for personality discharges has been accompanied by a disturbing rise in discharges ‘for the convenience of the government’ for ‘other physical or mental discharges not amounting to disability.’ ”

          The letter was signed by Sens. Kip Bond, R-Mo.; Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa; Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.; and Sam Brownback, R-Kan.

          They cited Pentagon data showing discharges for “other physical or mental discharges” have more than doubled, from 1,453 in 2006 to 3,844 in 2009.

          “We fear the rise in this category of discharges could reflect a failure to identify and treat troops for whom a deployment-related disability board would be more appropriate,” the senators wrote. They asked for the number of soldiers discharged for personality disorders and “other designated physical or mental conditions.”

          Retired Air Force Col. Mike Hayden, deputy director of government relations for the Military Officers Association of America, said MOAA believes all service members should receive a presumptive disability of 30 percent if they have served in the war zone — and there should be no argument that the problem was pre-existing.

          That would mean lifetime medical benefits, which, in the case of those with mental health issues intense enough to qualify for discharge, can mean the difference between relationship problems, homelessness, unemployability and a strong, stable, happy life. Hayden cited a June 2008 memo from Gates stating, “Is there a reason we could not change the disability rating presumption for wounded warriors to a minimum of 30 percent service-connected disability?”

          “We are of a similar belief that if a troop is healthy enough to send into harm’s way, then they are vested with the department and EPTS should no longer be an issue,” Hayden said.

          The Armed Forces Health Surveillance Center has recognized mental health as an issue and has launched a series of studies.

          “This report very likely underestimates the true incidence and prevalence of the disorders of incidence,” the report states. “Studies that employed anonymous questionnaires have measured the relatively high frequency with which service members have expressed their reluctance to seek assessment and care for possible mental health disorders. Those barriers include shortages of mental health professionals in some areas, and the social and military stigmas associated with seeking or receiving mental health care.”

          The report noted that more male service members spend time in the hospital for mental health issues than for any other reason. Mental health issues were the number two reason female service members were hospitalized, second only to pregnancy-related conditions.

          @ThinBlueNonsense, I disagree with you. Something tells me that you have no personal experience with being in the military. Our military men and women are HIGHLY educated and trained. They are civil engineers and teachers, etc. who go to Afghanistan and Iraq to rebuild schools, build water supplies, electrical plants, bridges, roads, hospitals, etc. Our U.S. military personnel put their lives on the line every day to protect Afghanistan and Iraqi civilians; they take gifts of school supplies and candies, food, water, shoes, etc. to the children and families. They make friends and build trusting relationships with the civilians and military that they work with and train.

          Nevertheless, ALL civilian law enforcement personnel must be thoroughly screened, no matter what their previous backgrounds might be. Ex Military are not the only ones who have mental illness or personality disorders, etc. Active duty military personnel ARE screened and discharged for psychiatric illnesses.

          The following are some comments for you to consider:

          “The military does in my opinion a very good job of weeding out prospective recruits that display any sort of mental illness or dis-order. A few may slip through the cracks but I believe the amount of people with mental issues is less than other job sectors. For example; Postal Workers?”
          Source(s):
          11B GTG ROTC

          “The military is doing a very good job of helping soldiers with mental issues. We need soldiers with the ability to concentrate on the task at hand. For example, you cant flip out during engagement. If your physician assistant suspects even a PTSD, you will spend a lot of time in Troop Medical Clinic.”
          Source(s):
          U.S. Army – 68W combat medic

          Here is an article from the MarineCorpsTimes

          Troops booted for pre-existing mental issues

          By Kelly Kennedy – Staff writer
          Posted : Friday Dec 10, 2010 15:26:04 EST

          From 2003 to 2008, more people were separated from the military within their first year of service for “pre-existing” psychiatric conditions than for any other reason, according to a military report.

          Those discharges do not qualify a service member for medical benefits or medical retirement pay after leaving.

          Twenty-two percent of soldiers who were given “existed prior to service,” or EPTS, discharges had psychiatric conditions, while 42 percent of Marine Corps EPTS discharges fell under that category. The figures for the Navy and Air Force were 24 percent and less than 1 percent, respectively.

          Whether the Marine Corps is not screening its new recruits for mental health issues as well as the other services, or whether other factors are at work, is not clear.

          According to the 2010 Accession Medical Standards Analysis & Research Activity Report, the Army approved 1,231 waivers for anxiety, dissociative and somatoform disorders from 2004 until 2009, and another 522 for depressive disorder.

          The Marines gave out 766 waivers during the same period for neurotic, mood, somatoform, dissociative or fictitious disorder, and 230 for “disturbance of emotions specific to childhood and adolescence.”

          But discharges for pre-existing mental health conditions far exceed recruitment waivers for those conditions. Psychiatric discharges are the top diagnosis for pre-existing discharges for Marines and soldiers. From 2004 to 2009, 4,359 soldiers and 3,636 Marines were discharged during their first year of service for pre-existing psychiatric conditions.

          Many, if not most, of those service members probably did not see combat because they were discharged while still in training.

          The second-most common disability discharge for soldiers from 2004 to 2009 was for “affective and nonpsychotic mental disorders.” In 2009, 2,798 soldiers left the Army on such discharges. The Marine Corps discharged 528 people for those disorders. The Air Force and the Navy’s rates are far lower.

          The Marines “have more guys in combat, so they have more cases of PTSD than the Navy,” said retired Army Lt. Col. Mike Parker, a veterans advocate who helps troops get correct disability retirement discharge ratings. “There aren’t too many sailors doing combat deployments — just the docs and SEALs. The Marine Corps is all combat.”

          Parker said that while most of the discharges for pre-existing conditions are among service members who have been in uniform only a short time, some are still being diagnosed with pre-existing psychiatric conditions after they’ve been in for several years and have served in combat — even more worrisome to veterans advocates who say that combat experience may play a role in their mental health issues.

          “I’m working with several Marines in that situation right now,” Parker said.

          Two years ago, Congress refined the rules for discharging people for “personality disorder” as a pre-existing condition after it became clear that many of troops really had PTSD or symptoms of that disorder that was caused by their combat experience. Discharges for personality disorder have subsequently declined, but Parker noted that discharges for other mental conditions have jumped since pre-existing personality disorder “became verboten” as a diagnosis for troops with combat experience.

          According to the Armed Forces Health Surveillance Center report, adjustment disorder diagnoses rose from 35,774 in 2006 to 51,545 in 2009. Over the same period, anxiety disorder diagnoses rose from 14,140 to 23,609 and PTSD diagnoses rose from 8,416 to 14,193.

          Personality disorder diagnoses decreased from 7,459 to 5,020.

          Four senators wrote a letter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates in October asking him to address a “new loophole” that allows the military to discharge service members for “adjustment disorder” or a similar condition when they actually have PTSD.

          Service members discharged specifically for PTSD are entitled to an automatic disability rating of 50 percent, which comes with health care and other benefits. Adjustment disorder discharges do not bring the same benefits.

          “While it is a good thing that the Pentagon has moved away from unfairly discharging combat troops by erroneously claiming a service member had a personality disorder rather than addressing the harmful effects of combat stress, we need to ensure a new method is not being used to deny combat veterans the care and benefits they deserve,” the senators wrote. “Unfortunately, the recent drop in discharges for personality discharges has been accompanied by a disturbing rise in discharges ‘for the convenience of the government’ for ‘other physical or mental discharges not amounting to disability.’ ”

          The letter was signed by Sens. Kip Bond, R-Mo.; Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa; Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.; and Sam Brownback, R-Kan.

          They cited Pentagon data showing discharges for “other physical or mental discharges” have more than doubled, from 1,453 in 2006 to 3,844 in 2009.

          “We fear the rise in this category of discharges could reflect a failure to identify and treat troops for whom a deployment-related disability board would be more appropriate,” the senators wrote. They asked for the number of soldiers discharged for personality disorders and “other designated physical or mental conditions.”

          Retired Air Force Col. Mike Hayden, deputy director of government relations for the Military Officers Association of America, said MOAA believes all service members should receive a presumptive disability of 30 percent if they have served in the war zone — and there should be no argument that the problem was pre-existing.

          That would mean lifetime medical benefits, which, in the case of those with mental health issues intense enough to qualify for discharge, can mean the difference between relationship problems, homelessness, unemployability and a strong, stable, happy life. Hayden cited a June 2008 memo from Gates stating, “Is there a reason we could not change the disability rating presumption for wounded warriors to a minimum of 30 percent service-connected disability?”

          “We are of a similar belief that if a troop is healthy enough to send into harm’s way, then they are vested with the department and EPTS should no longer be an issue,” Hayden said.

          The Armed Forces Health Surveillance Center has recognized mental health as an issue and has launched a series of studies.

          “This report very likely underestimates the true incidence and prevalence of the disorders of incidence,” the report states. “Studies that employed anonymous questionnaires have measured the relatively high frequency with which service members have expressed their reluctance to seek assessment and care for possible mental health disorders. Those barriers include shortages of mental health professionals in some areas, and the social and military stigmas associated with seeking or receiving mental health care.”

          The report noted that more male service members spend time in the hospital for mental health issues than for any other reason. Mental health issues were the number two reason female service members were hospitalized, second only to pregnancy-related conditions.

  63. Did you anti police activists hear Anaheim killed someone yesterday? Maybe move some of your 50 followers over there and get both cities at the same time. 🙂

      1. Ok, everyone! Fear not! Jiminy Cricket is on the case. He’s gonna get right on the Anaheim PD shooting and save us all! He’s gonna rub his little feet together and…..presto!, he’ll have it wrapped up before you can say “Jiminy is code for homo.”

        1. Hum, so poor homeless victims are no longer enough to satisfy your thirst for innocent blood, next you are going to start beating “fags” and “homos” to death? Eventually, I suppose you’ll get back around to Blacks and Jews too? You ARE an Ass, ‘My Ass.’ How amazing all your posts sound like the noises asses make. Is that irony, or what?

          You might want to remember ‘homos’ are a significant voting block in your state, fool. Anymore brilliant sounds, Ass?

          1. Wow! You chopped me low, Xer! How significant is the gay vote? Sorry I hit a nerve with you on that. It’s ok that you’re gay. I have no problems with your sexuality. Just try not to have PSOA. Ok? P.S. That was a big jump for you. From Jiminy solving the APD case all the way to you saying the beating of blacks and jews is ok. Shame on you.

        2. by Free Spirit, My Ass on August 18, 2011
          Wow! You chopped me low, Xer! How significant is the gay vote? Sorry I hit a nerve with you on that. It’s ok that you’re gay. I have no problems with your sexuality…

          Yeah, i remember in seventh grade when we would insult other guys by calling them homo and fag. How interesting to see your MO is still stuck in puberty. Not everyone who supports Gay Rights is Gay except in your wet dreams of molesting children. What strengthens the power of the Gay vote is that so many in modern American society no longer hate people because of their sexual orientation the way you cavemen do, and actually side with victims of bigotry against hateful people. Perhaps you could get together with your chums and start a murdering psychopath voting block? That would really show all us fag-lovers, Black lovers, and Jew_lovers, huh? You boyz are a dying breed, like the dodo birds once were. Your pea-sized brains just haven’t come to grips with it yet. Nobody needs to chop you, fool. You already make yourself as low as it is possible to be with your own words.

          Say, still no answer? Lots of people liked Kelly. Who likes You?

          1. Ouch! You really know how to hurt a guy. However, I have a rainbow coalition of buddies. They golf with me and we have BBQ’s and cocktails by the pool all the time. So you ADMIT you slurred gays with names like “fag” and “homo” and then use the slur “fag” in your post. Shame on you.

  64. Reality Is :
    It’s public knowledge. He abandoned him years ago. Ron Thomas is that kind of person. His character is questionable in a big way.
    Murder. Won’t happen. You will see. Reality Is…..

    Cold blooded murder DID happen. And no matter how much you or anyone tries to justify it by character assassination it will not change that fact. I bet you wear a badge and like to bully people..

    You are obviously a troll.

    I hope you never serve on a jury. You’d probably let a rapist go because the victim was asking for it. Sickening.

      1. Free Spirit, My Ass on August 17, 2011
        We are all one: Look up the penal code section for Murder. This does not qualify. Try to have some knowledge about what you’re saying before you post.

        Yeah, and you might want to put a cork in it because you’re starting to smell up this place. “Try to have” something intelligent to say before you post again…. um, I guess that would mean you stop posting now completely?

          1. You’re a cop. Your brain has been washed. Everyone on here is too smart for you. The eraser on my pencil is too smart for you. The dried up banana skin in my trash can is too smart for you. Starting to get the point there punchy?

    1. You have it backwards. Guilty. Just like Kelly was guilty of trying to assault the cops. Doesn’t mattervif mentally I’ll or not. Assault and get ur ass kicked back.

      1. “get ur ass kicked back” really? I think you meant to say get murdered. Don’t be afraid to tell the truth. We all know you enjoyed it.

      2. Here’s what you don’t understand. Let’s say you’re right. Let’s say the tape shows a ‘struggle’, Kelly was fighting the whole time, and the DA /FPD internal investigation exonerates all the officers.

        The people will reject those verdicts. If law enforcement won’t police itself, the people will take care of that problem outside the confines of law enforcement. Interpret that as you will.

        1. Dear Mr. Cricket: Does that mean you’ll egg the police station? TeePee their cars? Whoa, you sound like a really tough cricket. Be sure to use the Grade A large eggs and the triple ply Charmin toilet paper. It’s a bitch to get it off after the morning dew hits it.

  65. Hey all of you outraged, Be warned…This police corruption, police brutality thing is not going to go away from California anytime soon!

    California Government, and certainly the County of Los Angeles Courts- if not the Fullerton Courts as well – have blood on their hands.

    If the police in California beat you up you need to file a California Government Claim. See link below

    http://www.rahmangramly.com/pdf/Navigating%20the%20CA%20tort%20Calims%20Act.pdf

    If you do not file a California Government Code Claim after 6 months you cannot file a case against the police, or the other California Government Entities and THEN YOU CANNOT PURSUE A LAWSUIT AT ALL (UNLESS YOU FILE CIVIL RIGHTS CLAIMS IN FEDERAL COURT).

    In some cases in County of Los Angeles Santa Monica if you have a case against the police and have not filed a California Government Claim – the California Court can pretend to have a hearing – but it is a set up for police brutality – and is RUN like a back alley – and the police and County of Los Angeles Sheriffs are their to beat you up further for reporting their corruption as well as the local Government Entities’s corruption. And the County Courts don’t care…they team up with the other Governmental Unit against YOU

    In addition the County of Los Angeles, for Santa Monica College fabricate evidence and RAISE THE RACE CARD which DOES NOT REALLY EXIST – since the problem IS POLICE CORRUPTION – not racism. But the County of Los Angeles and Sheriff Lee Baca and his sheriffs WILL MAKE IT LOOK AS IF IT IS RACISM – by changing the color of the sheriff deputies involved in police brutality to match the color of the corrupt Santa Monica College Police Officer – to give the impression the problem that the problem is racism – when it is NOT – it is POLICE CORRUPTION.

    The Sheriff Deputies were white- Sheriff Terry January who is African American was the front for the white sheriff deputy thugs in Santa Monica Judge Laurence D. Rubin’s courtroom.

    Yes the Government will go this far to cover up police brutality and Santa Monica College Police Corruption.

    See: http://cache.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?archive_id=2999255&page_id=40502187&page_url=%2f%2fwww.copcrimes.com%2fsantamonica.htm&page_last_updated=10%2f1%2f2000+3%3a11%3a50+PM&firstName=Laurence&lastName=Rubin

    Note: the Sheriff Deputy Terry January who was not involved – even though County Sheriff Lee Baca says he was (but then Sheriff Lee Baca did not attend the beating in the courtroom) – was convicted in Federal Court in 2008 in a different matter.

      1. Yeah! How dare you Fullertonians demand that your police department not brutalize, assault, kill, rape, perjure, conspire etc.! Your sick fantasy of a future clean Fullerton police department run by honorable men and women who value truth and compassion above the blue code of silence is a disgrace!

      2. Not a platform jaynbond – no lies or deceit – unity against police corruption and police brutality.

        And what is a crying shame -jaynbond – I guess no relation to James Bond – is that now a sheriff deputy has lost his son to police brutality and city corruption where Officials sleep in the sunshine and look the other way much as they do in Santa Monica and much as they did for the Rampart Scandal…

        In my situation it was County of Los Angeles White Sheriff Deputies that were involved in police brutality in the Santa Monica Courtroom with a Santa Monica Judge who was looking for a promotion (and he got his wish) and an African American Sheriff Deputy was used as front – to give the idea of racism – when in reality there was no racism – that idea was their cover for police corruption in the Santa Monica College Police and the County of Los Angeles Sheriff Deputies and County Judge joined to assist the College with the cover-up.

        I unite with Ron Thomas – the father of Kelly Thomas. I don’t like corruption. I don’t like cover up. I don’t like to be assaulted and battered for reporting Santa Monica College Police corruption. I don’t like to be sexually abused and then sexually discriminated against at Santa Monica College.

        If Fullerton Police had a bone to pick with Kelly. Handcuffs would have been enough. Not Murder!!!!! Look what the hell they did to his face!!!! I am outraged for Kelly for his family as I was outraged when I faced police corruption and police brutality. I could have ended up like Kelley.

        Ron Thomas happens to be a former Sheriff Deputy
        I happen to be a victim of thuggery by County of Los Angeles Sheriff Deputies who along with the Judge and Federal Courts helped to coverup corruption and sexual abuse and sexual discrimination at Santa Monica College California.

        Ron Thomas and I are on the same side…

      1. @My Ass on August 17, 2011
        THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! Anon, you need to comtemplate your navel.

        Yeah , and you need to wipe yourself, you stink.

  66. Another important unmentioned issue is the use of HGH steroids by police officers. If these Fullerton ‘officers’ were using HGH steroids on July 5, blood tests will show evidence of that and should be entered into the official record. If I had any say in the matter, Steroid use by any public safety officer (police / sheriffs) would be a FELONY. HGH steroid use is rampant among police and sheriffs in Los Angeles and Orange Counties and most everywhere else AND IS THE #1 REASON COPS CANNOT CONTROL THEMSELVES IN HIGH PRESSURE SITUATIONS WHEREBY THE PUBLIC GETS HURT OR KILLED. All you have to do is look at these officers to see who is using HGH. HGH cops also have a look in their eyes that is unmistakeable. Steroid use by police and Sheriffs should be made a TOP PRIORITY at the Federal level for obvious reasons. There is no rational excuse for this type of violent vindictive behavior by police officers other than HGH use or possible methamphetamine use. In any event, these six Fullerton cops need to have their blood tested ASAP. Are you listening Fullerton? This concept apparently never occurred to the fat-assed City council members. They are as useless as butter beans.

    1. First all the cops are fat pigs and now they are all on roids. Of course.

      You won’t get a bit of blood from them. No judge is going to sign a warrant for that and no random drug testing.

      1. “First all the cops are fat pigs and now they are all on roids”

        How about 50-50? Of course they all have GEDs.

        I love the idea of random drug testing. Why not? We do it for athletes. We don’t need no stinking judge. We get some elected with balls and write it into the MOUs.

      2. Reality Is on August 17, 2011
        First all the cops are fat pigs and now they are all on roids. Of course.

        As for overweight cops? Hum, have you actually looked at any of those videos?

        You won’t get a bit of blood from them. No judge is going to sign a warrant for that and no random drug testing.

        Why not? Random drug testing certainly seems appropriate in Fullerton, California.

        1. Research it. Again, you are so out of touch with reality that you have clue. You will never random drug test in Fullerton.

          1. I’m not in favor of random drug testing for cops. Wow, we actually agree about something. Now, some in-depth psychological testing to prevent departments’ from hiring arrogant, homocidal sociopaths, now that I could support.

    2. Go back to your hookah pipe, 440 Dodge. HGH? That’s it! I agree! Kelly must have been on HGH to wrestle with 6 cops for 7 minutes. He must have been high to think he’d outrun them and then be able to out-wrestle them.
      PS., the 440 Mopar is an incredibly weak engine compared to the rice rockets these days. Maybe your Daisy Duke shorts are too tight, hillbilly.

      1. Sit down and shut up, you ass. Kelly Thomas was not on ‘roids’ you moron, the cops probably were – and the video will show how violent your friends are.

        You want to talk motors – you’ve hit the jackpot; but you don’t know $hit obviously. Sure, any 40-140 horse riceburner will trounce a 3200 lb sedan; every moron knows that. Did you have something to say? BTW: the 440 wedge and 426 hemi are two of the strongest most reliable production mills ever produced. In fact, all top-fuel dragsters run a 500CID version of the Chrysler hemi. You learned something today!

    3. this is actually a really interesting point. I know a couple of people who cycle and their temperaments, at best, are unpredictable.

    1. I wonder if “One Eye” passed the psych or if Chief Cueball just let nutso into Fullerton. By the time this is over McPension is going to have more than his eyes bloused.

    1. depends on what you say. i got bounced for a couple days for calling out a pig who said he was looking to hurt someone

  67. You Tony, Travis, Art, etc (oh sorry, am I using your actual names?) control what is said on this blog and there are ways to prove that.

        1. Dont you mean the force runs strong with this one? If you think I’m paranoid, see how many of my posts get taken off today. I have posted many times and they always get erased. Why is that Tony? Travis? Art? Fred?

          1. “Dont you mean the force runs strong with this one?”

            Oh yes…yes I did…the force of blood pressure against the walls of your doughnut and bacon grease constricted arteries does indeed run strong in you. Hopefully you are already past your maximum bypass surgery limit.

      1. TO #366 Jiminy “(Cricket) and #367 Moran. Thnks but not too worried about any suit. but if I were Tony, Travis, and Art and KFI, I’d be worried…and if I were a nut job, then my postings should not WORRY you, right, Tony?

      1. Oh I am saying what many of us have noticed. I realize we are new bloggers and not part of the 6 of you, Tony, Fred, Art, Travis, etc but our numbers are growing and many of us know we get blocked from this website.

        1. Guess what Einstein: this isa blog that is managed by a few people and they have the right to block anything they want to. Just like a newspaper can choose not to print a hateful letter, any blog anywhere can choose not to let idiots post. And what’s their definition of an idiot? ANYONE THESE CHOOSE IT TO BE. That’s how it works. I’m actually astonished that ANyONE is blocked from this site, since it seems every pea-brained, venomous ass-hole not on his or her meds seems to have ample opportunity to spread their viral troll-spew. You must really be a jackass…

          1. If you think Travis, Tony, Art and Fred like when their views are opposed, youre the idiot living in a fantasy world. I’m shocked noone has every exposed this blog for what it really is….but thats coming soon. We will not hide behind our blogger names like many of you.

  68. 440 Dodge :
    Another important unmentioned issue is the use of HGH steroids by police officers. If these Fullerton ‘officers’ were using HGH steroids on July 5, blood tests will show evidence of that and should be entered into the official record. If I had any say in the matter, Steroid use by any public safety officer (police / sheriffs) would be a FELONY. HGH steroid use is rampant among police and sheriffs in Los Angeles and Orange Counties and most everywhere else AND IS THE #1 REASON COPS CANNOT CONTROL THEMSELVES IN HIGH PRESSURE SITUATIONS WHEREBY THE PUBLIC GETS HURT OR KILLED. All you have to do is look at these officers to see who is using HGH. HGH cops also have a look in their eyes that is unmistakeable. Steroid use by police and Sheriffs should be made a TOP PRIORITY at the Federal level for obvious reasons. There is no rational excuse for this type of violent vindictive behavior by police officers other than HGH use or possible methamphetamine use. In any event, these six Fullerton cops need to have their blood tested ASAP. Are you listening Fullerton? This concept apparently never occurred to the fat-assed City council members. They are as useless as butter beans.

    You bring up a VERY IMPORTANT POINT

    When they have an incident and BLOODY and brutal as this one.. MANDATORY .. IMMEDIATE
    Blood Tests and Breathylyzer

    1. @ 440 dodge > they need to have hair samples as well as this can not fad easily as blood chemistry.They mad dog 6 has not yet realized that the feds have no interest in helping the local psychotic law enforcement. the Rico act law is going to put them all in jail.The Feds are going to show them what justice is all about.Hampton you were caught in a bold face lie you are a celebrity on CNN.Hampton you did your family proud Tell your proud mama you were on TV!

      1. Dear Fullerton Citizen: Prepare to be disappointed. No jail time, no conviction, no nothing. The feds, the DA’s office and any other entity that investigates this BS case will not be swayed by the likes of the vermin that whine on this blog. Can’t wait to rub it in your face.

        1. Dear immoral, thuggish cop. We pay your salary and we have decided to stop. We figure its time to hire honorable men and women of integrity, intelligence and honor. I hear the mall needs rent-a-cops. Enjoy your new career.

          1. Oh, Jiminy Cricket. You can stop paying the cops when the cops say so and not a second sooner. Now go back to your check stand at the 99 cent store and help your mother check out. Or are you one of the “underemployed?”

          2. hey Jiminy, say hi to Pinocchio in our dreamland and you don’t pay the police if you don’t pay taxes. If youre unemplyed, you don’t pay taxes.

        2. @ # 289 Free Spirit, My Ass > the only thing that is going to be rubbed is your sore ass after Bubba rips you and your bottom feeder low live pathetic excuse for a cop rear ends! You are so mindless you think this blog has no power to change. the pen is mightier than the sword.it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the city camera that recorded the Kelly Thomas murder is extremely damaging to the maggots that killed Kelly Thomas.HA HA Hampton you forgot about the city camera watching your corrupt ass didn’t you. the Rico act is gonna set the people free from disgusting animals like you.Where corruption exists, the widespread existence of a Blue Code of Silence among the police can prevent the corruption from coming to light. Officers in these situations commonly fail to report corrupt behavior or provide false testimony to outside investigators to cover up criminal activity by their fellow officers.is in violation of the Rico act

          1. Now it’s Rico. U really are in a dream world. Murder and Rico, two things that will not happen for sure 100%.

          2. Whoa, Fullerton Citizen. Who’s Rico? Rico Tubbs? From Miami Vice? And who’s Bubba? Bubba Smith? He just died. Sorry, just screwing with you. You’re really worked up, huh? You need to relax a little bit. Everything’s gonna be alright, no one is going to jail. Everyone will forget allllllllll about this in a little while, you’ll see. It’s gonna be ok. Just repeat after me….it’s gonna be ok, it’s gonna be ok, it’s gonna be ok. There, you got it. Keep it up.

        3. by Xer on August 18, 2011
          “There’s no place like home, there’s no place like home,” Dream on Dorothy.

          Sorry, that was intended for:

          Free Spirit, My Ass on August 17, 2011
          Dear Fullerton Citizen: Prepare to be disappointed. No jail time, no conviction, no nothing. The feds, the DA’s office and any other entity that investigates this BS case will not be swayed by the likes of the vermin that whine on this blog. Can’t wait to rub it in your face.

          And, I can’t wait to see your face when the Federal verdicts are read.

          Actually, the name Dorothy fits you pretty well. Maybe that’s what your jailhouse lover will call you too? Time will out.

  69. Good luck. won’t happen. You can try all you want just like all the trying you are doing on here with the lies and deceit, but this is one thing that will never happen 100% guranteed. Again, you little activist trolls don’t know what reality is. Keep dreaming.

    1. “You can try all you want just like all the trying you are doing on here with the lies and deceit,”

      These WOULD be the 2 topics on YOUR mind. You can’t fathom how other people would avoid your 2 comfort friends lies and deceit.

  70. Yes to MANDATORY .. IMMEDIATE
    Blood Tests and Breathalyzer .. as well as put under arrest, Just as anyone who beats another person to death would be.

    1. Yes mandatory drug & breathalyzer tests for all FPD cops at the beginning and end of each shift. Excellent idea!

    1. by jaynbond on August 17, 2011
      Thats a nice dream. Lets check your blood etc

      You can check my blood anytime. All you’re gonna find besides red and white blood cells are my legally prescribed heart meds. Your blood on the other hand would doubtless show, aside from near toxic levels of alcohol, several illegal substances. Want to give at try?

  71. Its obvious that there are many uneducated bloggers on this site because science will contradict most of your arguments on here very soon.

  72. Wonder what Tony, Travis, Art etc will be peddling next. I hope you dont confuse all of your different blogger names.

  73. Seriously, do any of you have a clue what Dad Thomas is up to with this mess? He is about to lose his house, he owes money to the Feds, he has tax lien after tax lein, he is about to lose his business if he hasn’t already. He needs money desparately and none of you “take from the rich and give to the poor” bloggers are offering help other than inciting people to an old fashioned holy ghost revival pitch. You need to cut the crap and realize that somebody died here and it was the fault of Dad Thomas for kicking his son to the curb.

    1. Well why didnt you say so? No wonder the cops beat his son to death. It all makes sense now. Thank you for the insight.

    2. by jaynbond on August 17, 2011
      Seriously, do any of you have a clue what Dad Thomas is up to with this mess? it was the fault of Dad Thomas for kicking his son to the curb.

      LIAR. It was the fault of the six FPD cops who brutally and maliciously beat Kelly to death.

      If anyone kicked their kid “to the curb,” it must have been your dad because his spawn was a psychopathic liar. Can’t say I blame him. Your trash talk gets old fast. Pity these folks at FFFF don’t really ban people who disagree with them like you claim. I’d be happy if they would even ban psychopathic LIARS like you.

  74. jaynbond :
    Seriously, do any of you have a clue what Dad Thomas is up to with this mess? He is about to lose his house, he owes money to the Feds, he has tax lien after tax lein, he is about to lose his business if he hasn’t already. He needs money desparately and none of you “take from the rich and give to the poor” bloggers are offering help other than inciting people to an old fashioned holy ghost revival pitch. You need to cut the crap and realize that somebody died here and it was the fault of Dad Thomas for kicking his son to the curb.

    Do you have a clue as to how ridiculous you sound? Peddle your delusions somewhere else.

    1. You are the only one that’s delusional here. Dad’s in it for the money and nothing else. He had no contact with Kelly for several years; he and his ex-wife hate each other, however, they’re in this money grabbing mode together, now. Dad sounds like he doesn’t even know Kelley, didn’t even recognize a recent booking photo. Some dad.

      1. by Free Spirit, My Ass on August 17, 2011
        “You are the only one that’s delusional here.”

        Actually that would be you.

        Dad’s in it for the money and nothing else.

        Guess you will still be repeating THAT lie while while your jailhouse lover is porking you.

        He had no contact with Kelly for several years; he and his ex-wife hate each other, however, they’re in this money grabbing mode together, now. Dad sounds like he doesn’t even know Kelley, didn’t even recognize a recent booking photo. Some dad.”

        Yes, that booking photo of an entirely different individual from Kelly Thomas that the FPD dishonestly released as a picture of Kelly?

        Say, your delusions are showing again, liar.

        Next you will be claiming people posting here for justice do it because Ron Thomas pays them too. You lying freak!

  75. @#262 > obviously you are a mental midget . Ron Thomas rejected money payout but you knew that didn’t you? So the psychotic mad dog cops have the right to murder a innocent human being.it’s low life scum like you that makes decent people want to vomit all over your swastika tattoo on your ass.once the evidence is in i will bet the cowards are going to heads for the boarder pronto! there coming to take you away ha ha you are all San Quentin bound.6 gang bangers with a badge paid for by the sleeping tax payers of Fullerton

      1. Yes, Free spirit, everything will be ok…just as soon as you are in prison where you belong. Sociopaths like you don’t have any problem at all relaxing after committing a murder, because sociopaths don’t have a conscience.

      2. I wonder if they will put Cicinelli and Hampton in the same cell at San Quintin. I wonder who will get the “top bunk.”

    1. i will bet the cowards are going to heads for the boarder pronto!

      The thought of that possibility has been in my mind for some time now. I hope once the investigation progresses a bit the FEDS take away their passports and keep a close eye on them. I don’t trust the murdering scum to stay here once the long arm of the law starts catching up with them.

  76. Delusion? A dead man is a delusion? The record of tax leins against Thomas are public record. This is a man who couldn’t pass probation on the force. Why? Couldn’t pass the psych test. Thomas holds the City accountable for what he did to his son. He is only after the green!!!

  77. Fullerton Citizen why do you think Thomas rejected the money offered to him? Duh… it wasn’t enough!!! He wants twenty million dollars of your money!!!

  78. jaynbond :
    Seriously, do any of you have a clue what Dad Thomas is up to with this mess? He is about to lose his house, he owes money to the Feds, he has tax lien after tax lein, he is about to lose his business if he hasn’t already. He needs money desparately and none of you “take from the rich and give to the poor” bloggers are offering help other than inciting people to an old fashioned holy ghost revival pitch. You need to cut the crap and realize that somebody died here and it was the fault of Dad Thomas for kicking his son to the curb.

    Another SICK one

    This is not about Ron Thomas.. IS IT.. STOP DOING THIS

    This is about a police force that savagely murdered a man in front of innocent women, children, and citizens of a great city called Fullerton, CA

    People like you really should seek help to reconnect to humanity

  79. jaynbond :
    Fullerton Citizen why do you think Thomas rejected the money offered to him? Duh… it wasn’t enough!!! He wants twenty million dollars of your money!!!

    Ron Thomas HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH this case…

    I am sorry for his loss but this is about a much larger problem.. Police murdered a man by savagely beating him with total disregard to the citizens begging them to stop and disregard when the man yelled out for his parents to save him..

    THEY MURDERED HIM..

  80. You think Ron Thomas had nothing to do with this? Where have u been hiding? Everything is blamed on the parents. Ron Thomas jumped on the money train so fast his skin turned green.

      1. If Ron Thomas wouldve kept Kelly from living on the streets, NONE of this wouldve happened. If govt didnt close state hospitals, NONE…. but unfortunately it did. This has happened in many other cities with mentally unstable homeless people. It’s sad. Unless you have to take care of a schizophrenic, YOU need to all just STOP! Its hard and the cruek reality is noone wants to pay for that, including family. Families of schizophrenics LIVE IN FEAR, for the day they get off their meds and never know what unpredictable, VIOLENT behavior they will encounter. Society does not want to acknowledge, deal or pay for these mentally handicapped homeless people, including many of you. What REAL help have you given these poor people? Start focusing on the real problem.

        1. If Kelly would have been kidnapped and held for ransome by Yemeni gameshow hosts NONE of this would have happened. NONE…. but unfortunately it did. Mother Effing Yemeni gameshow hosts!!!! They are to blame for the beating murder!

          See how the idiotic speculation game works?

          Answer the question you blithering coward: Who had the blood literally on their hands? Who had to go back to the station, wash it off their hands with soap, go home, and use Spray-N-Wash to get the blood out of their police uniforms?

        2. by outraged on August 18, 2011
          If Ron Thomas wouldve kept Kelly from living on the streets, NONE of this wouldve happened.

          NO ONE in Kelly Thomas’ family is responsible for his death.

          The only ones responsible for Kelly’s death are the cops who murdered him,
          Really, are you SO stupid you can’t grasp that the person guilty of a murder is the murderer?

          “What REAL help have you given these poor people?”

          I help homeless people often. It is my nature to help those less fortunate than I. What help do YOU give homeless people, FPD mouthpiece? You only know about schizophrenia what you have read here and now you are twisting that into lies while pretending to be an expert on the illness. Moron.

          “Start focusing on the real problem.”

          The “real problem” right now is a corrupt Fullerton Police Department with out of control sociopathic cops there killing innocents at will. Of course you already know that. It’s what you are attempting to cover up with your blathering posts.

      2. Who had the blood on their hands (literally)? THAT is who is responsible.

        The smell of truth is on those words, unlike the stench of lies oozing from FPD troll posts.

        NO ONE in Kelly Thomas’ family is responsible for his death.

        The only ones responsible for Kelly’s death are the cops who murdered him, and you can squeak all the little ratty excuses you want, but if the four officers who stood idly by and made NO ATTEMPT to stop the brutal beating had made an effort to save Kelly Thomas they would not be complicit in his death. ALL SIX deserve prison sentences, perhaps only some for life without parole. That will be for a Federal judge to decide, since that crook Rackauckas won’t prosecute them The OC DA, Chief Sellers, and Fullerton Police Spokesman Goodwrench are the ones most likely to face RICO charges. No wonder Sellers suddenly took medical leave, to began preparing his defense! Wonder if his heart will hold out long enough to face trial? Can Tony Rackauckas take medical leave too, or just quickly retire, sell his house, and move to Serbia? I don’t think America has an extradition treaty with Serbia. May be wrong? Still, there’s always North Korea, and the weather there is so nice. Just ask all the GI’s who spent time in Korea back in the 50’s. Goodwrench will doubtless claim Sellers was responsible and he [Goodwrench] was just following orders. Hey, didn’t that ploy work for guards at the Nazi death camps too?… Nope, didn’t work for them either. Out of curiosity, where do Federal convicts in California get sent to do their time? They should be sent to Mexican prisons. American prisons are too good for them.

        I am so looking forward to when this all finally gets to court.

    1. Wow, these crooked cops are going to cost us plenty. I guess we should blame McKinley who hired all these twisted misfits.

  81. @ #281 jaynbond> you just don’t get it and most likely never will but that’s fine.Ron Thomas wants justice for his son and even more importantly wants to try and make sure it never can happen again.While were at it just take a look at this web site .there are 10 Fullerton cops listed all have very poor citizen comments.but with the exception of 2 FPD who seem to be real law enforcement trust worthy cops
    they should all ave green lights sorry 8 red light and only 2 green light you think something is rotten at the FPD? Check out Officer timothy coussens and officer
    R Rios
    http://ratemycop.com/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=153085

    1. Do you really think this web page means anything? If a cop writes someone a ticket they bad rate em. It’s just a page for anti police morons. Means nothing. It’s just so people like you can think it’s some type of factual page that means something.

      1. The most amazing thing about you smurfs is that you think letting the world know that you are completely against any form of accountability for police officers is a good idea.

        It isn’t. The more we get to know you, the less we like you. You need public support, and instead you’re all shooting yourselves in the foot again and again and again.

        1. LOL we are getting paid right now. Now are we on duty cops, part of the suspended 6 in the beach houses in Newport, or just security guards messing with you?

          1. If you’re on duty cops, wow, our tax dollars really aren’t buying us much are they.

            If you’re part of the suspended 6, you’re pretty dumb to be making any statements at all.

            Security guards – I guess its conceivable. You wouldn’t want the competion from all the soon-to-be-unemployed Fullerton police.

            Other possibilities – some kind of geeks taking a WoW break?

            Or, paid trolls. Paid by FPOA.

            But my final guess is, just another cop wannabe.

          2. What difference does it make? You’re all useless GEDs. I would actually rather pay you to hang out at the River with your third wife and your boyfriend than pay you to be on the streets of Fullerton. If you murder anyone in Blythe that will be their problem.

  82. Mr. Boo :It’s “public knowledge.” what a fucking moron and useless tool. Go back to beating your meat and drinking red bull and vodka’s at Slidebarf, you dumb ass-fuck.

    Mr. Boo, Mr. Boo….sounds like they got to you. Truth hurts, huh?, dickhead?

    1. just get public knowledge and public record right in your pea-sized brain. Public knowledge (at least on this blog) is that you are a doltish troll taking a break from Call of Duty to post your drivel. Public record would be to take your name and look it up on your county of residence’s court record page and discover your penchant for flashing your tiny genitals to elementary school children.

  83. Concerned :So what? Irrelevant. Doesn’t change the fact that 6 goons beat his son to death. But you bootlickers go ahead and just continue to smear his name. Guess getting your pals in hot water for thinking they are above the law has touched a nerve, huh? Greed and money, huh? That’s why he has said he is going to give any monies awarded to a homeless shelter.

    You really believe Ron Thomas will give any cash awarded in a civil suit to a homeless shelter?? The ONE homeless person he could have done something for was his son and he chose to do NOTHING. Yeah, any cash this guy gets will go primarily into his pocket.

    1. Free Spirit My Ass: Hey buddy, enjoy your little vacation in Newport Beach. I agree with the other poster’s suggestion — why don’t you give us the address where you are staying so we can come have a few pops with you and your merry band of swine? It’s all going to be over for you and your goon squad soon. Chief took a well timed medical leave (freakin’ classic copper move — when the heat came knocking he got gone), mayor is on his way out, already admissions of wrongdoing in the Mam case. You may have our crooked ass DA in your pocket — but the feds are going to take you fascist clowns out. Say what you want, porkchop, your day is coming. Undone by your own arrogance.

      1. I hope you sleep better believing that. What are you “concerned” with? How about an invasion of privacy, Tony? Travis? Art?

        1. Huh? Invasion of privacy? Hope whatever meds you are off of help you continue to believe that the world is out to get you.

          For the record, my name is niether Travis, Tony or Art. It’s Robert, to be precise.

          I’m concerned about arrogant cops who think they are above the law. Comments by Free Spirit My Ass and his ilk prove it. Their own arrogance is going to be their downfall. The dominos are already starting to fall. They give good cops a bad name. I have law enforcement in my own immediate family. Even they have said this is outrageous and that someone is going down over this crap.

          What are you “outraged” about? Actually, forget it. I could care less.

      2. Try between 37th and 39th, Seashore. You will see us all on the patios. You have to walk on the sand though. We will have beers ready for you.

        Keep dreaming. You are smokin the same meth Kelly was.

        1. Enjoy your little vacation, lads. I have a feeling a few of you are going to be going on a permanent vacation soon. The lid is off this thing. The cowboy days of the FPD are over. Even if some of the 6 survive (professionally, I mean) this thing (unfortunately, I suspect only 2 are really going to go down hard), culture change is coming. Ironically, the good cops on the force despise the arrogant meatheads as much as the public does — because their good names are now being dragged through the mud because of the actions of a few

  84. I am amazed at how these FFFF people are all following Ron Thomas like the Pied Piper. You are all a bunch of idiots to be advocating for this man who obvioulys didn’t care about his son and now just see’s this as a huge pay day. But really, you call yourselves professionals? You should all do your homework before acting like fools because when the truth comes out, real scientific evidence, your credibility will be ZERO.

      1. Yeah both of you have the critcal thinking and argument skills that could land you some sweet middle management position some day. lol Although, you’re inability to gain perspective from such an event is fairly pathetic.

        1. Oh believe me I have perspective. My perspective is that society needs to help these homeless people when theyre families give up on them like Ron Thomas did.

          1. Another perspective is that people shouldnt be USING a sad situation like this for their own NOTORIETY and selfish POLITICAL GOALS.

          2. Thats the point. You’re talking about facts but bring none to the table. Youre just a troll. Nothing more, nothing less. But continue making assumptions and calling people out for making assumptions. Hilarious.

            Carry on, genius.

    1. by I ♥ COPS on August 17, 2011
      I am amazed at how these FFFF people are all following Ron Thomas like the Pied Piper. You are all a bunch of idiots to be advocating for this man who obvioulys didn’t care about his son and now just see’s this as a huge pay day. But really, you call yourselves professionals? You should all do your homework before acting like fools because when the truth comes out, real scientific evidence, your credibility will be ZERO.

      Ah, but your credibility is ALREADY ZERO.

      I ♥ COPS ?

      A tart with the Jones for cops doesn’t have much credibility to start with. Just sayin.’

      No one is “following” Ron Thomas, silly girl. People ARE standing up against an unjust and brutal MURDER by Fullerton’s ‘finest.’ If you weren’t so ‘in love’ with handcuffs, you might have figured that out already. Curious if the nightsticks do it for you too, or only the handcuffs. Sorry, just prurient curiosity on my part. After all you are the one who brought the subject up with your titillating tagline.

    2. I ♥ COPS on August 17, 2011
      I am amazed

      I am amazed you know how to spell the word.

      You know NOTHING about Ron Thomas or his relationship with his son. You know NOTHING except what your cop boy friend tells you when he sneaks out on his wife to come visit you.

      Your credibility is already ZERO, pretty close to your IQ which is 1 higher than that.

      PS: ‘scientific evidence’ is not the testimony of killer cops.

      Gads! You don’t even know what scientific means, but you throw it around to try and make people think you are real smurt. Dope.

      You are so ignorant and unintelligent it is actually painful to read your self-deluded drivel.

  85. officers are given special powers, unique in our society, to use force, even deadly force, in the furtherance of their duties. Along with that power, however, must come the responsibility of loyalty first to the public the officers serve. That requires that the code of silence not be used as a shield to hide misconduct.Where corruption exists, the widespread existence of a Blue Code of Silence among the police can prevent the corruption from coming to light. Officers in these situations commonly fail to report corrupt behavior or provide false testimony to outside investigators to cover up criminal activity by their fellow officers.is in violaton of the Rico act

  86. Why do you think there is a code of silence here or that anyone is hiding behind a BLUE CODE? I have to ask a few questions to anyone here who is speculating anything. Were you there? Were you in the midst of the incident and you know, one hundred percent without a doubt what happened? Have you seen ALL the evidence, if any? Have you interviewed ALL witnesses, including the officers involved, dispatch and anyone else who watched it unfold? Have you seen the autopsy and toxicology reports? Have you heard the 911 call? IF there is anyone on this blog that can answere YES, please do come forward and accept my appologies for doubting you.

    1. Look at the picure of Kelly Thomas, you stupid fuckin bus stop rat bag….gosh your a fuckin idiot…you love cops because they allow you to blow their pathetic little pricks……I hope you live in Fullerton as you will be paying for part of the 200,000,000.00 settlement..insurance has a cap on it of 1.5 units …you fuckin asshole…YOU WILL STEM THE EVIL TIDE….You fucking BITCH.

        1. by Free Spirit, My Ass on August 18, 2011
          Now, now, Orion. That’s a 5 minute timeout for using foul language. And another 5 minutes for improper punctuation.

          Bet your jailhouse husband doesn’t finish in five minutes. However long it takes him is going to feel like forever to you, though, every time.

          I live for the day you six are put in the animal house where you belong. Wonder how many of these inane posts of yours you can still remember after 10 years? Fifteen years? Life without possibility of parole? Yep.

          You didn’t just commit brutal murder, you didn’t just violate Kelly’s Civil Rights. You didn’t even just commit a Human Rights abuse. You broke your oath to protect the weakest amongst us, and made him your victim instead, monster.

          Laugh now, funny boyz. You’ll be laughing out the other side of your mouths when the FEDS finish with you. Ask the boyz down in New Orleans. They believed they could get away with murder too. We’ll see how that works out for you too.

          You are not above the Law, punk, just sworn to uphold it. An oath you clearly never intended to honor. So, make your cutsie little jokes. Enjoy your “paid vacation” while it lasts. You won’t get paid in prison, unless you become a prostitute for cigs. Hope you remember Kelly’s screams for mercy every time you light up one of your ciggys.

  87. Go to You Tube. These people sound like Tony and his followers LOL. No reason, only bus fare, 5 times, police abuse, blah blah. Just like Fullerton and Kelly. Imagine if the idiots didn’t get the gun on video? It would be no gun, unarmed innocent man like Kelly! LOL
    Search this: San Francisco Police Shoot Black Male 5 Times After Chasing Him Down For Not Paying Bus Fare

    1. orion :Bullshit…This is not going away for along time…it will esculate into a RIOT….Get your fuckin Head OUT OF YOUR ASS you free spirited fuckin CUNT.

  88. Two of these small cock fucking pigs will go to prison and the one pig with one eye is going to get EYEFUCKED by me!!!! all you fuckers that are on the side of the PIgs can go strait to HEll..

    1. Oh, Orion! I’m shocked and dismayed over your foul mouthed comments! Not to mention your misspelled words. Please resubmit your post immediately. Wouldn’t want anyone to think you’re an idiot or anything, now would you? Hurry, before anyone else sees it.

    1. It’s better that fucking my mother like you do and I know you took it up the ass when you were a child and instead of getting help for that…you want to be a pig…so you can take it out on the public….You better watch out, there may be Pigs about…you better do as your told and stay out of the Bus Depot if you want to grow old…you asshole. Other than that…”Have a nice Day”

  89. Well Orion, I’m not going to hell but that’s really none of your concern. As the truth is slowly coming out, you have nothing to resort to besides young punk banter. It’s really pathetic actually. I kinda feel sorry for you. Oh and l’ll let you in on a little secret, the officers are not going to jail. So sorry to dissapoint you. Bwuahhhh haaaaaa haaaa haaaaa.

  90. No there not going to Jail…there going to Prison…you Moron…there is a differance…shit what schooling did you get…or are you another PIG GED DROPOUT.

  91. Oh Mr. Orion, you sad sad sad little man, the officers are not going to jail or prison. They are going to be paid for a nice long vacation while you and your mob are out holding signs in the heat and you get to help pay them. Have a nice evening 🙂

  92. And Mr. Orion what schooling did YOU get? Don’t you know the difference between “there” and “they’re” Let me help you out. When you want to write “They are” you spell it “They’re” NOT “there”. See, you learn something new everyday. Anytime Orion.

  93. One last thing to I LOVE Cops…if you have a bumper sticker that states the above…please leave it on that pile of shit you drive…if you even drive…correction on above statement their instead of there…but…man i’m tired it’s 3am where im at…..goodnite….ORION.

    1. Oh, Orion…..you told “I love cops” to stay out of the bus depot and then question whether he or she “even drives.” I assume that you frequent the bus depot and may even be forced, for one reason or another, to use public transportation? Not that it makes you a bad person if you do, but your poor spelling and grammar may be the reason you are using the OCTA as your means of transportation. Again, not that intelligent people don’t take the bus now and then, but, maybe someone had trouble understanding English during the written portion of his DMV exam. Could this be you? Be honest now. And be nice in any response you may have, as, again, I may be your father. Now that your mom spilled the beans. I’m sorry you had to find out this way.

  94. <Will Prevail…Not Guilty. :
    The main problem is that you are believing all the BS hype and not looking at the facts. It wasn’t 6 cops, and exactly what happened you really have no clue about. Now hogtied for 15 minutes while they kept beating him. You are making the story even better as the days go on.
    Let’s set up a scene. Do you honestly think that it is even at all possible for a 135 pound transient drug freak to lay on the ground not moving and 6 cops beat him non stop for 7 minutes? Impossible. Can’t happen. You will see once the video comes out for trial that Kelly was a fighter. If he had a mental illness, cops don’t know that. They will ask every cop in that PD and others, do you know of anyone that has a mental illness in your city? Nope. Most transients and drug addicts have mental issues but the extent is never known. And it really doesn’t matter when they become violent. They are treated like any other human unit they are restrained and taken into custody. To think otherwise would be asinine. So Kelly fought, he fought hard for 7 minutes, and he got his ass kicked.
    The cops had and still have every right to defend themselves against a violent person.
    You will see. Give it time. The facts are the key, not the BS on this blog. This blog is all lies.
    Yes, anyone no matter who it is in this world if they assault citizens or the police they will be assaulted back until they give up. It is what it is. Only reason this case was different was because the cops didn’t get killed.
    No one is going to prison. I’m write here so start writing.

    The officer verbally threatened Kelly; that’s why Kelly ran and fought for his life.

    To say that Kelly “got his ass kicked” is an understatement. And, to call Kelly a “drug freak” shows gross disrespect for the public that you are supposed to serve. “Public servants” such as yourself, we DO NOT NEED. And, if you don’t know who the mentally ill are in your town, then it is because you don’t want to know, and you are negligent. You, and everyone else, knows there are mentally ill people on the streets and officers have a lot of contact with the mentally ill. I don’t accept your lame excuse that you didn’t know Kelly was mentally ill. Almost everyone else certainly knew. Maybe if you had taken the time to question Kelly, instead of walking up to him and threatening him, you would have had time to figure it out. You could see that Kelly was disheveled and that would have given you a very big clue right off the bat that he was mentally ill. That is why you receive mental health training, because everyone knows full well that people with mental illness do not react or behave like other people. And, you know that officers very often come in contact with mentally ill people in the line of work. You don’t de-escalate a situation by threatening to beat someone when you walk up to him; it doesn’t work that way. You must have failed your NAMI training class.

    And, no, I don’t think that Kelly could have been Tased and beaten without writhing and screaming in pain. So then why did the officers keep screaming at him to stop resisting/moving/screaming? A witness told me that Kelly was NOT resisting. He was lying face down on the ground, only screaming for his dad to help him. Would YOU be able to lie there motionless, without screaming and without trying to preserve your own life, if the tables were turned and you were being beaten, kicked and tased six times? I’d like to see you give me a demonstration of exactly how YOU would be able to comply under those same circumstances. Yes, I’ll Tase you six times and kick you, and beat you, and we’ll see just how well you do at maintaining your composure. Big tough man aren’t you? I bet you wouldn’t do nearly as well as Kelly did.

    No, I wasn’t there. But, plenty of other people were. They are not all wrong. And, there has also been insider information that has come out. You and your buddies murdered Kelly. You can try to justify this murder all you want, but your pathetic P.R. efforts aren’t working.

    Kelly, an unarmed mentally ill man, was viciously brutalized and is now dead, because he tried to run away after he was threatened by an officer. Kelly tried in vain to protect himself from the ensuing assault and battery from armed officers who used lethal weapons, which ultimately took Kelly’s life. The officers used excessive force and murdered Kelly, even as bystanders shouted in horror for the officers to stop killing Kelly. Officers are not above the law, except in their own minds.

    You will have to provide very strong evidence indeed in order to prove to the world that the only way to subdue Kelly was to murder him. You are cowards who resorted to murder. If you insist that Kelly was resisting, then the officers could have held Kelly’s arms and legs down until he stopped moving, hand cuffed him, called the C.A.T. and had him transported to the hospital for a psych evaluation.

    Six officers also could have held him down and handcuffed him. Six officers had a lot of options they could have used, besides murder. But, no, you were enjoying your blood sport. Unfortunately, when motionless and unconscious Kelly was then bludgeoned in the back of his head by the butt end of the Taser, his blood sprayed all over the hands and arms of the officer who was going to handcuff him, so the officer backed away. But obviously, there was no need to handcuff Kelly anyway, since he had been unconsious for awhile and he was now brain dead for all intents and purposes.

    I thought you “heros” received training in how to de-escalate situations with the mentally ill. You should have known how to approach and talk to someone who is mentally ill. And, you should know how to be respectful to ALL people and not terrify and threaten. And, I believe that you also know full well that if you beat someone on the head long enough, he will certainly die. You knew you were killing Kelly, and you didn’t care. You kept beating him even after he was no long moving. You are sub human and you don’t deserve any respect or sympathy. And you certainly won’t get any support or sympathy from me. The only ones who will give you sympathy will be your partners in crime.

    I hope you will all be haunted by Kelly’s screams for mercy and by his final screams for his dad to help him- for the rest of your lives- every waking moment and every night in your dreams. But, I realize that is too much to ask, since you and your buddies are all sociopaths and you don’t have the capability to have feelings for others.

    The only ones you care about are yourselves. You have no business wearing law enforcement uniforms. Trust me when I say that the citizens prefer that you stay on vacation. You have no business being anywhere near other people. You are a danger and a menace to society, much, much more so than poor Kelly ever was.

    1. begging for mercy from bullies is gas on a fire. makes their winkies hard as they try to outdo each other in their manliness.

  95. For Free Spirit, My Ass and all you stupid trolls whose ability to form a coherent thought is comprised greatly by your inability to think clearly: get public knowledge and public record right in your pea-sized brains. Public knowledge (at least on this blog) is that you are a doltish troll taking a break from Call of Duty to post your drivel. Public record would be to take your name and look it up on your county of residence’s court record page and discover your penchant for flashing your tiny genitals to elementary school children.

  96. The best part of this story, and the subsequent comments on this page is that no one knows this story and what really happened. You think you read something and its the truth? If thats the case then you’re all the sheep that the media want you to be. You’re the people that think Anna Nicole Smith married because she was in love. And the same people that think, “Well the glove didn’t fit, it wasn’t OJ”. SHEEP. There are many witnesses to this incident in particular and they all say the same thing, that the guy holding the camera is the same guy that was peeled off of the officers back as the officer was trying to detain someone else. Bar security, managers, bartenders and passer-bys are all witnesses and HAVE COME FORWARD with their testimony stating that the RIGHT MAN WAS ARRESTED. A year later, after the Kelly Thomas incident with Fullerton he wants to hire an attorney? How convenient. I wonder if they will bring up this guys testimony in court where he admitted to hitting the cop and saying that he was wrong, but that he was just so angry. You all need to think again if you think that cops just arrest people for the fun of it. With arresting someone comes tons of paperwork and court time, and unless someone really needs to be arrested, most of the time cops won’t do it, because it isn’t in anyone’s best interest to arrest people that don’t deserve to be arrested. Arresting someone is like climbing to the roof and cleaning your gutters, it sucks, its time consuming and you don’t enjoy it, but at the same time, its dirty, cluttered and is causing way too many problems, once cleaned everything runs more smoothly. The guy suing is an idiot, with an extensive criminal background, just like his other friend that was arrested. He wasn’t convicted. So get over it. By the way, I was just watching the news about the San Diego officer that walked out of a McDonalds and was gunned down. How tragic. And you think them telling you to clear the area is worth a lawsuit?

    1. so where were ALL those witnesses that you claim said “thats the right guy you arrested” the trial was last year and the guy was found innocent- so if there was proof it was him that jumped on officer krupkes back, wha happened to them?

    2. Yeah, so if what you’re saying was true:
      1. why was Mam acquitted of all charges?
      2. why did Mam’s lawyers claim that the police reports were false and that the officers committed perjury?
      3. Why is Hamilton now saying that it was a case of mistaken identity? If what you’re saying was true, then Hamilton would be saying they had the right guy, but he was acquitted.

      You’re the sheep.

    3. “I was just watching the news about the San Diego officer that walked out of a McDonalds and was gunned down.”

      And, you don’t think police brutality might have been the root cause of that? That is exactly the problem with ‘cowboys’ like you. You increase the risks for all Law Enforcement. You are their real enemy. When they finally figure that out in Southern Cal you and your buds will be trying to get hired in other states. Good luck with that, because I’ve a feeling your records of abusive force will follow you where ever you go. Well, you may be able to get a job with the Federales down south?

  97. just heard on channel 11 fox news that fullerton pd made a mistake and arrested the wrong guy last year. this is quoted from the new acting chief Hamilton ( the guy that had the side of his face bashed in and then arrested) as Kenton Hampton knocked his cell phone away from his face to prevent him from video taping the police, WOW that was a very fast conclusion. Hampton falsified his police report now the fullerton police chief Hamilton is trying to cover the actions by corrupt cop Hampton saying they made a mistake and arrested the wrong guy. wheres the internal investigation????

    1. California Penal Code 118.1:

      Every peace officer who files any report with the agency which employs him or her regarding the commission of any crime or any investigation of any crime, if he or she knowingly and intentionally makes any statement regarding any material matter in the report which the officer knows to be false, whether or not the statement is certified or otherwise expressly reported as true, is guilty of filing a false report punishable by imprisonment in the county jail
      for up to one year, or in the state prison for one, two, or three years.
      This section shall not apply to the contents of any statement which the peace officer attributes in the report to any other person.

  98. Free Spirit, My Ass :Funny, the cops still get paid. Let me know when you think you want to stop paying and I’ll let you know if it’s alright. Nope, it’s not alright. You have to keep paying until I say you can stop. That’s not likely. I’m sure the cops appreciate the support. Happy, Fag?

    Touched a nerve, huh? Wouldn’t want to lose that job in these hard economic times, would you. Too bad – its all over. No more sucking of the public teat for you.

  99. The one person or two that posts here attempting to take the focus away from Kelly’s murder are a poor attempt detractors. Your motives are soo… transparent that even a 2 year old could see.

    What Ron’s or Cathy’s, Kelly father and mother, have done or will do have NOTHING to do with Kelly’s MURDER. 6 FPD murdered Kelly Thomas and the only thing that needs to be determined is the degrees of culpability. What some of officers should have done, instead of being cowards and going along with the program, would of been to put a stop to the beating and restraining their own savage, vicious dogs then maybe Kelly would of been alive today although still severely injured I am sure.

    The vicious beating and killing of Kelly was inhuman and barbaric. Those men are savages. No amound of white washing is going to take away those facts. It doesn’t matter what Kelly was or wasn’t doing. If 6 men can not restrain a weak, defenseless man, they have no business being in the PD. By the way bashing a person head is not a restrain tactic taught or santioned by any PD or by POST (Peace Officers Standards and Training).

    And those few detractors that are straining so hard to defend murder, maybe if you received the same savage beating that Kelly received then you would change your tune in a second and beg for mercy. You guys are a pathetic excuse of a human being, if you could be called that.

  100. Great, another cover up. When will Fullerton and the city stop with the coverups, nobody with an ounce of intelligence believes the white washing. Why don’t you, the PD and city, instead of strainously trying to sweep under the rug admit that there are problems, mistakes have been made and try to clean up house. Be the poster child of cleaning out corrupt cops. Yes, I know Fullerton isn’t the only police dept. doing cover ups, there are many, many departments all over the country, but it should be the first to do an honest house cleaning. Your residents and nation will have soo much respect for your dept. Respect is earned regardless if your a cop or not so let this be the turning point.

    Instead of spinning tales of excuse after excuse take responsiblity and make serious changes not coverups.

  101. I’m standing for Thomas Kelly :
    California has the death penalty. You can bet that if it was a private citizen who beat Thomas to death, they would be facing the death penalty. Should council or the FBI find the officers involved not guilty, this could possibly start another Rodney King riot. I lived in Cali during those riots in Orange county, and it wasn’t pretty….those riots would never have happened if Rodney’s case outcome had been….”justice served”…..It took the feds stepping in to get justice in that case……Thank God for cameras being everywhere these days!

    I agree. The riots in LA would have never happened if justice had been served. The world is watching this one and shares in the outrage over Kelly’s murder. The sooner justice is served the better. This won’t be allowed to slide. People want those responsible to be held accountable.

  102. Justice Will Prevail…Not Guilty. :Desk job? Everyone is on paid leave in the beach houses in Newport. Come hang out with us.

    Give us your address down there. We’ll be down to have a taxpayer-bought beer with you. We can talk about how wonderful freedom is and how much you’re going to miss it later.

  103. Excellent post, We Are All One. Kelly’s story is worldwide, for good reason. I posted on this last night, but things move so fast on FFFF that a lot of stuff goes unnoticed (for better or worse).

    One of the amazing results of the Kelly Thomas outrage is the way it brings people together and on point, from all political and cultural orbits. I’ve never seen anything like it, ever. I remember Matthew Shepard — and his was a terrible murder, as is Kelly’s — but it resulted in a plague of online hate spew the likes of which I had not yet seen at the time. This is different, for reasons that risk being, if not lost, maybe overlooked as this case grinds on.

    And it will grind. These things always do. The bad guys count on it, every time.

    The comparison to Matthew Shepard’s killing with Kelly’s is interesting, considering the culprits in each case. If security cameras were looking down own Matthew as he was being tortured to death, the video footage would have been released the next morning, with pleas from law enforcement for help in identifying the killers.

    In Kelly’s case, we already know the killers, and for well over a month, the video evidence has been in the hands of their protectors. The excuse currently floating around is that the video is being withheld from public scrutiny to prevent the potential tainting of witness testimony. I doubt this is true.

    If the hidden video evidence demonstrated that Kelly was fighting and resisting like the FPD wants us to believe, they would have released it long ago and we wouldn’t be here tonight, tapping away on FFFF.

    So this is where we are. At the onset of this story, information and revelations were breaking several times a day and people all over the world were coming on board; all with one thing in mind — justice for Kelly.

    Things have moved pretty quickly, considering the FPD and City glibly assumed Kelly’s story would be in the taillights almost immediately. Well, it isn’t; thanks to everyone who kept it front and center — especially at FFFF (and John and Ken, CNN, etc.).

    Here’s the thing. The investigations are official now, the lawsuits are lining up, the recall is taking shape, rats are leaving their sinking ship; this is all good news. But these things take time — a lot of time (Christian Brando [RIP] got his ruling yesterday in LA; how long did that take? Apples and oranges, I know, but you know what I mean http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_18700068?source=rss).

    The Justice we’re demanding for Kelly Thomas won’t come overnight. It won’t. Due process demands it, whether we like it or not. And we should like it. If you’ve ever been wrongfully accused of a crime, you know due process is your lifeline.

    Kelly’s road to Justice will take time. Information and revelation won’t be breaking every day like it has lately. Jones will be gone soon, the six will probably fade to black until their court dates roll around, and things — although not forgotten — will “settle down.”

    The challenge is to stay united, all of us, and not drift off point into “repuglican/libtard” name calling. This benefits only the bad guys.

    It’s clear that the good intentions of all of us at FFFF are in danger of tipping into the volcano of anti-productive hate blabber. This would be a shame.

    We all have our POVs and worldviews, and we’re always free to present them. But the thing that makes “Kelly’s Army” so precious and rare is that at the beginning at least, Kelly came first. No doubt about that. We were all on point and united.

    We may have to wait awhile for the gears of justice to grind Kelly’s killers and protectors into the dirt. Let’s stay on point for this.

    We can fight about politics and culture somewhere else.

      1. Thank you, Anonymous. As I mentioned, the lines are pretty much drawn now. The investigations are official and underway, the lawsuits are lining up nicely, the recall is taking shape, and at least some of the rats are leaving their sinking ship.

        It was inevitable I figure, but FFFF has become a mud puddle of one-line insults hurled by invisible semiliterates.

        Too bad. There are some excellent writers posting here — on all sides of the Kelly Thomas story — but they’re being blown over by a swarm of trolls and imbeciles.

        We need to stay on point. It’s hard to do, but if we don’t or can’t, the FFFF blog will become just another shitfight in the internet monkeyhouse.

        Kelly deserves better. We deserve better. You deserve better.

        1. “Kelly deserves better. We deserve better. You deserve better”

          When I read your posts I start thinking I need some anger management.

          Well said. Again.

          1. You’re cool, amigo. Your anger is managed. Clearly.

            Stay angry, and stay cool. Don’t engage the trolls. They’re a waste of time and energy.

            This battle will continue for a long time, but like I said, the lines are more or less drawn now. We know who’s who.

            The investigations are underway, the lawsuits are lining up, and the recall is taking shape.

            Stay on point. Stay on point. This is all for Kelly.

        2. Sigh, You’re right, SD. All good points. The other day one of the trolls got to me with the broken record attacks on Ron Thomas. It just made it personal for me, and my blood boiled. Dropped my guard and went after troll bait. It is a waste of time and energy, true.

          It is also ironic you bring up “Matthew Shepard’s killing.” That was the incident motivating me to start posting on the old MSNBC boards, and it lead to my Internet handle, Xer.

          Thanks for the cold water in the face, brother. I needed that. As with children, there’s nothing trolls like better than attention.

          Think I’ll call it a night and take a little break tomorrow to cool off.

          All the best,
          Xer

          PS: you are correct about there being some good writers here. Really enjoy your posts, Justice’s, and several others. Good thinking, and good writing make for good reading.
          …..atb

  104. outraged :If you think Travis, Tony, Art and Fred like when their views are opposed, youre the idiot living in a fantasy world. I’m shocked noone has every exposed this blog for what it really is….but thats coming soon. We will not hide behind our blogger names like many of you.

    That’s precious. You just posted with a blogger name. Moron.

  105. If you only knew how close some of your trolls really were.

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    Insider :
    Thats the point. You’re talking about facts but bring none to the table. Youre just a troll. Nothing more, nothing less. But continue making assumptions and calling people out for making assumptions. Hilarious.
    Carry on, genius.

  106. Whats going on with the troll comments. Sorry Im not privy to the gaming world of trolls. I live in the real world, not fantasy. And believe me, I do know how close all of you are. thats why when one is exposed, all of you will be.

  107. ***** A brief truth behind the BLUE CODE OF SILENCE *****

    ***** ATTN: Administrator, KFI, John & Ken, Steve Gregory, Associated Press. *****

    The BLUE CODE OF SILENCE exists, but not for the reason(s) you may suspect. Although the news media knows this, they refuse to report this point of view and this is why. They simply can’t take “Yes” for an answer.

    Although the news media, and you as citizen’s demand honesty, transparency, and integrity from law enforcement, the moment an officer/deputy comes forward with corruption allegations, or begins finger pointing at their law enforcement colleagues on excessive force issues, ALL of you suddenly turn into TONY SOPRANO and call this employee a Rat; and nobody likes a Rat; especially police chief’s, sheriff’s, and city council/administrators.

    The simple truth is that NO law enforcement employee can go to their police administration and make an accusation of corruption. To do so means that an employee knows something that the chief of police or sheriff doesn’t, and that is too humiliating for their fragile ego’s to handle.

    Upon learning this, the first thing a chief/sheriff does is come down on his command staff, lieutenant’s and sergeants. All of them pay for not knowing what this officer/deputy is conveying, and that officer/deputy is not going to get away with making them look bad. It’s just like the suggestion box. If your idea were any good, they would have thought of it first.

    Do you remember former Riverside Police Chief Russell Leach? He was the police chief that was seen on video having numerous drinks at the 215 Strip Club in 2010 and later crashed his unmarked police vehicle on his way home. All but ONE officer attempted to cover up the DUI portion of the crash. John & Ken from KFI AM 640 reported on this.

    Guess what happened to the ONE honest officer who refused to cover the the DUI crash? He was FIRED. Fired on some trumped up administrative charge. What did John & Ken do or say? NOTHING. What did the TV news media do or say? NOTHING. What did the citizen’s of Riverside do or say? NOTHING.

    This Riverside officer having being fired was not just a message to him, it was a message to all the officers of Riverside PD. When it comes to police misconduct, keep your mouth shut, or we’ll fire you too!

    This is the same at ALL law enforcement agencies. Chief’s of Police and Sheriff’s do this successfully because of Fullerton Law Firm’s such as Jones & Mayer who are hired by police department’s to act as prosecutor’s in the termination cases of officer’s and deputies. One of the most notorious attorney’s for this is Paul Coble. Paul Coble is a retired captain from LAPD, and was a captain along side Fullerton City Council Member Pat McKinley, who is also a retired captain from LAPD. Their friendship goes back to the 1960’s.

    Police/sheriff department’s throughout Southern California spend hundred’s of thousand’s of tax payer dollars in attorney’s fees on these cases of malicious prosecution, even when they know in the end they will likely lose the case on appeal, and lose a subsequent lawsuit by the officer/deputy. This could take years to adjudicate, and meanwhile, the officer/deputy’s life is ruined financially and personally. For chief’s and sheriff’s, it’s seldom about right or wrong, or even about the money; it’s about power, and the manic ego’s of those that possess and abuse it.

    Win or lose to these chief’s/sheriff’s, and especially to law firm’s such as Jones & Mayer just doesn’t matter. The officer/deputy is still scarred for life, even if they win in the end. If a judge orders the employee reinstated, they will just fire him/her again with impunity, and no other department is going to hire them. They eventually leave on a stress/medical retirement, or if they have the tenacity to remain, the chief will look up an old injury an employee has had and have a city doctor claim they cannot work the street any longer and medically retire them. With tax payer funded law firms like Jones & Mayer hired, these chief’s/sheriff’s will get rid of them one way or another.

    Even the officer/deputy’s union appointed defense legal counsel will intentionally provide antiquated defense to honest employees that speak the truth. The Peace Officer’s Research Association of California (PORAC) with President Ron Cottingham, Legal Defense Administrator and Attorney Edward Fishman and Board Member William Abernathie, a union of which Fullerton officer’s are members of, does not want RAT officer’s using up employee generated legal defense monies. They want those used exclusively for citizen complaints only.

    So why is there a BLUE CODE OF SILENCE today? It’s because the good ones CANNOT count on the news media, their own police/sheriff union and attorney’s, and especially YOU, John and Jane Doe CITIZEN to support them for doing the right thing. It’s easier for you to label them as RAT officer/deputy or simply as a disgruntled past or present employee. There are NO ADVOCATES for honest cops.

    So what’s happened to the aforementioned Riverside PD officer that was fired for NOT covering up his police chief’s DUI?

    ***** Do you really care? *****

    1. Actually, Frank Serpico was a hero to many. I understand what you are saying, and generally agree, but the mood of this country is shifting. We prefer a “rat” to a robot these days. I offer my genuine support to any FPD office who testifies against his department and his brothers.

      1. @ Jiminy

        Those are very kind words of support to those officer’s that would contemplate coming forward. In order for that support to be tangible enough to protect them from retaliation, there would have to be the kind of support seen at recent Fullerton city council meetings for any officer to risk losing their families livelihood.

        1. I can only speak for myself, and of course would offer very strong support. But let me go out on a limb and say this – if an office came foward as a whistleblower to help report on crimes in the Fullerton police department and aid ongoing investigations, or provided new information about other cases the public does not yet know about – I would be that the people of Fullerton would treat such an officer as a hero.

          I also think that such a whisleblower would be in no danger at all of being terminated from their position. Yes, I think the yelling at city council would reach a fever pitch if there was a whistleblower and that person was retaliated against in any way.

          Shuold you actually know of such a person, I strongly recommend you write to the admin of this blog. I don’t know them and can’t speak for them, but I would be very surprised if they did not offer the strongest and most unequivocal support.

          I think the only way in which this would work is if the whistleblowing was made very public, that it was discussed in front of the city council, and that the officer hire a very capable attorney – possibly the same man who is representing Ron Thomas if that is not a conflict of interest?

          So what did happen to the Riverside officer who came forward?

        2. For Did you know?

          I don’t know if you are or are a friend of the police officer who lost his job for reporting corruption.

          What I have learned through experience about blowing the whistle – is that it is NOT guaranteed that something good comes out of it, or is immediately good, or is ever going to come out of it, apart from the good feeling that comes from releasing the poison from within. But if the environment for reporting is a hostile environment – that good feeling won’t last long.

          What I have also learned is by going through the experience, although I would NOT have chosen it – it makes you wiser and stronger once you are able to get passed the pain of the injustice.

          For a person of conscience

          You are damned if you don’t report

          And you may damned if you do report.

          IN the case of not reporting you may remain safe and get your pay packet but will you feel good about yourself when your fellow officers or employees deal corruptly with people or “accidentally” murder them. I guess you might do this – if you have families to feed or if you don’t care or if you do care but don’t have any power over the situation and have to tow the corrupt line.

          I guess that is how oppression works.

          You are damned if you don’t” may be a better choice, but it also may be a far tougher choice, and you may face retaliation, being frozen out of a job, death even, but that is the chance you take – when you won’t tolerate the hypocrisy or the sickness.

          1. Error last Paragraph to Did you know? Should READ

            You are damned if you do may be a better choice, but know that it is a far tougher choice, because you may face retaliation, being frozen out of a job, death even, but that is the chance you take – a signal taken by you and seconded by the environment for you to move to happier – pastures, where you will be thanked and rewarded for reporting corruption in the system, or somewhere where there is no corruption to report.

    2. Yes Did You Know, I a person who has been framed by corrupt police and schoold officials, CERTAINLY NOT PROTECTED AND SERVED, and assaulted and battered FOR REPORTING POLICE CORRUPTION – NOT FIRED EXACTLY,

      AFTER THAT THE Federal Judges just played around – no justice there either – bait and switch justice – a good decision and then 8 years later left to die.

      But what are you going to do – tolerate the abuses – and in Kelly’s case the murder? Should his dad just throw in the towel. And he is in a better position than most – since he was a sheriff deputy and thus is given by the media some credibility.

      Somebody’s GOT TO BLOW THE WHISTLE ON CORRUPTION BRUTALITY AND MURDER
      AND YES WE DO CARE – THAT IS WHY WE ARE POSTING –

      HOPEFULLY THE RIVERSIDE PD OFFICER HAS FOUND A JOB – WHICH DOES NOT MAKE HIM SO SICK THAT HE HAS TO BLOW THE WHISTLE ON HIS FELLOW OFFICERS. I HAD TO BLOW THE WHISTLE ON AN INSTRUCTOR BECAUSE HE WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTING AND THEN SEXUALLY DISCRIMINATING AGAINST ME SO HE COULD COVER UP HIS MOLESTATION OF ME IN HIS CLASS.

      1. @ Anon:

        I and others are sincerely sorry for the atrocious victimization you have endured, and/or are enduring. You suffer in silence as others go about their lives seemingly unaware of those standing right next to them that wonder what happened to the life and world they once knew.

        No Anon; Kelly’s dad should not throw in the towel, and I’m glad to see you have not in your situation as well. You would make a great advocate for those that have been victimized as you have. God bless you.

        1. Thanks Did you know for your support.

          Also there should be some kind of organization made for Fullerton citizens and for citizens of California (and other states also) against police corruption and police brutality perpetrated on its own citizens including students – because of the current absolute power of Government against its citizens.

          I would not make such a great advocate against those that have been victimized, since an army of one against a STONEwall of thousands of California employees, County of Los Angeles Sheriff Deputies, Santa Monica Judges, California Justices and Federal Judges, Magistrates and other employees, & not to forget to include the Federal Judge Jay S. Bybee who ratified the Torture Memos for the Bush Administration, who administered the switch to change Federal Law for California in 2006 which caused my Federal Case to die by 2010.

          Obviously I am not equipped because I am not a Federal Judge and cannot change the law as Judge Jay S. Bybee was permitted to. It is a bit like casting me as Will Kane in “High Noon”

          And like Will Kane I am asking for all the help I can get FOR LIBERTY AND CIVIL RIGHTS IN CALIFORNIA not just for me – but for others too. We need more than just me to get rid of police and official corruption and police brutality in our California society.

        2. Former sheriff deputy Ron Thomas has lost his son to police brutality to the big bully of a six pack in Blue, who have the Blue Code of Silence also to use as ammunition.

          In my situation it was County of Los Angeles White Sheriff Deputies that were involved in police brutality in the Santa Monica Courtroom with a Santa Monica Judge who was looking for a promotion (he got his wish) and an African American Sheriff Deputy was used as front – to give the idea of racism – when in reality there was no racism involved– the idea of racism was the County of Los Angeles fabricated creation, their cover for police and Judicial corruption and police brutality in the Santa Monica Courtroom against me.

          I – unite with Ron Thomas – the father of Kelly Thomas. I don’t like Police and Official corruption. or murder of an innocent.

          I don’t like to be assaulted and battered for reporting Santa Monica College Police & Official corruption, and then it be covered up.

          I don’t like to be sexually abused in a class and then sexually discriminated against at Santa Monica College so as to cover up the sexual abuse.

          If Fullerton Police had a bone to pick with Kelly. Handcuffs would have sufficed. Not Murder!!!!! Look what the hell they did to his face!!!!

          I am really outraged for Kelly and for his family as I was outraged when I faced police and official corruption and police brutality. I could have ended up like Kelly, and I wonder how many others have – when there was no audio or video tape or dvd around?

          Ron Thomas happens to be a former Sheriff Deputy!

          I happen to be a victim of thuggery by County of Los Angeles Sheriff Deputies

          Yet Ron Thomas and I are on the same side…

  108. @ Justice for ALL > why couldn’t an officer just anonymously report the corruption in this case it was a citizen who was brutally beaten by 6 FPD surely some one with decency could have called KFI or another news media to report this travesty a simple e-mail would have gotten the ball rolling for justice.Seems no one cared about Kelly Thomas he was just a bum with out a soul just some street trash that got wasted for no reason.We need police that is a given we do not need the type of men who act like school yard bullies.
    And i really hail the officer who stood up for justice Riverside PD officer that was fired for NOT covering up his police chief’s DUI.Yes i do care

    1. @ fullerton citizen:

      Officer’s do make report corruption anonymously, but that information is selectively enforced. If the employee being reported about is liked, nothing will be done. If the employee is disliked, nothing is likely to be done; especially if their is financial exposure to the department/city, or it makes their chief/sheriff look bad.

      On reporting corruption to KFI or other news entities by calling them? The new media, HATES, HATES, HATES, the posting I made above on “The Blue Code of Silence” It blurs the simplistic Black & White, Us vs. Them between law enforcement and the public they so desperately count on. The news media DOES NOT want you to contemplate that Cops have a Blue Code of Silence for ANY OTHER REASON than this is my buddy in blue, and I am going to cover up for him because he’s my friend.

      To inject an alternate scenario in which a Blue Code of Silence exists because officer’s are actually afraid of being retaliated against, not by their peers, but by their own police chief’s/sheriff’s who will terminate them for being a Rat just makes news editor’s eyes glaze over and roll back their thick heads. The news media THRIVES on a single minded Us vs. Them mentality. The alternate is too complex, and will not fit into a 30 second soundbite. Investigative reporters NO LONGER EXIST. Even Inv. Reporter David Goldstein who is married to Good Day L.A.’s Dorothy Lucy ignores police corruption cases he’s been sent.

      News media focus groups have determined that their investigative reporter stories are too long. When the average viewer/listener’s attention span is equal to having a face-to-face meeting with Bill Clinton at Hooters, there is simply no money in the highly competitive, Los Angeles based news media with a long winded story that doesn’t involve sex. Only viewer/listener demand will change the news media on reporting this. There would have to be a barrage of it to make it financially advantageous for them to do so.

      I am glad to hear you care fullerton citizen. With you, Jiminy and Anon, that makes 3 great citizen’s that cared enough to respond.

      1. @Did you know about the media hating the concept of the Blue Code of Silence. I don’t agree with you. I’ve worked at three daily newspapers in Southern California, and covered cops on Anaheim, Costa Mesa and Newport Beach. There is nothing MORE a legit reporter would want than an officer contacting them with accusations of brutality and corruption within a department. Using that source as background, the reporter would then start investigating. And I knew of the code of silence back then, so it’s not something that is a secret from reporters. One sad fact of the decline of large newspapers is the lack of beat reporters. Back in the day, a reporter would cover a city, sometimes just the cop beat, and he (or she) would go down to the station every day, check the crime log, request information on any arrests that seemed unusual or high-profile and then find stories. And one of the skills of a beat reporter is having trusted contacts on their beats. With the times and Register cutting back so much of its local coverage, they don’t even have one reporter just assigned to Fullerton. That’s why they’ve been so behind the ball on this case. No reporters have sources within the police department because they haven’t had the time to cultivate them.

        1. @ Mr. Boo,

          Re-read my posting Mr. Boo. I did not say the media hated the concept of the Blue Code of Silence. I said the media hates the alternate reason I have given as to why the Blue Code of Silence exists. It’s not because the dirty/abusive Cop is a friend, they fear retaliation/termination from their police administration via malicious prosecution for being a Rat. I also did not say a legitimate reporter would not listen to an officer conveying corruption. Again; I said no reporter would convey my aforementioned reasons for the true existence of the Blue Code of Silence. Read my comments thoroughly prior to posting Mr. Boo. You worked for the press, so you know better.

      2. Did you know?

        These posts are fascinating and eye-opening. What you describe sounds completely, incredibly, plausible.

        I think the reason only 3 of us responded is just how far buried your initial post on this was buried in the comment section. I honestly believe that the majority of the citizens of Fullerton would respect an officer who came forward and told the truth about what he/she knew.

        In fact I think most of us would support such an officer being promoted.

        But I understand the potentially terrible repurcussions for that individual as well. Its tragic that there are good people who want to speak out but are afraid to do so.

        And everything you say about the news media strikes me as right on the money too.

      3. Nothing is black and white.

        What I have learned through experience about blowing the whistle – is that it is NOT guaranteed that something good is immediately, or ever going to come out of it, apart from the good feeling that comes from releasing the poison from within.

        But if you are a police officer reporting on other police officers’ corruption you may be fired by the Police Chief in retaliation, or for some other political reason such as giving the appearance that the Police station, Community College, University or Film set is squeaky clean, and they kill the messenger – by firing them.

        Or if you are a victim of police corruption you may suffer further BLOWS/ retaliation and be intentionally assaulted and battered in the Santa Monica Courthouse for reporting police corruption to the Santa Monica Judge.

        In fact the choice is this –

        You are damned if you don’t report

        and you are damned if you do report.

        IN the case of not reporting you may remain safe and get your pay packet but will you feel good about yourself when your fellow officers or employees deal corruptly with people or “accidentally” murder them. I guess you might do this – if you have families to feed or if you don’t care.

        I guess that is how Hitler’s Germany operated for a while.

        That is why “You are damned if you don’t” may be a better choice. But it also may be a far tougher choice.

      4. Did you know? on August 19, 2011
        @ fullerton citizen:

        Officer’s do make report corruption anonymously, but that information is selectively enforced…

        I am glad to hear you care fullerton citizen. With you, Jiminy and Anon, that makes 3 great citizen’s that cared enough to respond.

        I’d have to agree with the thought your post is so deep down the list in this thread few people ever got to read it. And, that is a shame.

        I also agree with you that Investigative reporting no longer exists. This would be in large part to the ever shortening attention span of the American public by television and now handheld technologies. Good grief we’ve gone from 30 second sound bites down to ‘tweeting! Why bother learning to think in complete thoughts, words, sentences, paragraphs when no one has an attention span long enough to finish reading it? The final nail in the coffin of newspapers wasn’t broadcast news, bad as that was, it was Cable News. If you want to save any chance of Investigative Reporting ever returning to mainstream media, I’d suggest subscribing to the last paper news there is, the New York Times.

        While Jiminy made some interesting points they seem somewhat dated. I agree with pretty much all your observations about the media.

  109. Justice for ALL :
    I apologize for the accidental double post above!

    Don’t sweat it, dear. Your posts are so informative they’re worth rereading. Besides, It is a welcome relief from reading the shrill terrified posts of the FPD trolls. It looks like you folks have really put the fear of ‘God’ into them. Keep up the pressure. Keep going to those Council meetings and letting your voices be heard. If you weren’t making progress the number of FPD trolls here would not suddenly have multiplied like mushrooms in a dairy pasture after a rainstorm. They are undeniably frightened, not as frightened as they terrified Kelly before murdering them, and their deluded self-denials will help protect their fragile grip on reality until the bailiff leads them away to serve their sentences. That is when the real terror will wash over them breaking free their desperately cling clutch on reality. I live for that day now. By my age I’ve learnt to be patient. I will hang on to life long enough to see these human wastes began their time. Then I will be able to die with a smile on my face.

    Thank you @JusticeforALL for yet another wonderfully informative post.

    atb,
    Xer

    1. Thank you Xer, and you are so very welcome. And, please plan on hanging around for a very great many more years to come. This crazy, upside down world that we are living in needs you in it now, more than ever. I believe you were born for this time in history and your voice is sorely needed and much appreciated. I do know what you mean though, and I too, am patient.

      1. by Justice for ALL on August 19, 2011
        Thank you Xer, and you are so very welcome. And, please plan on hanging around for a very great many more years to come. This crazy, upside down world that we are living in needs you in it now, more than ever. I believe you were born for this time in history and your voice is sorely needed and much appreciated. I do know what you mean though, and I too, am patient.

        You are very kind, dear one. I’m not certain this crazy upside world we live in now really needs me, per se, all that much, but am certain my wife will miss me dreadfully when I am gone. However, it might be nice if there were more people aspiring for the ideals I aspire for; to be honest, to have honor and integrity, to cultivate empathy (empathy is like a muscle–it needs to be exercised—and police’s are dreadfully atrophied), to strive for more than my own personal success/fulfillment, but the American Culture, especially since Reagan was elected have become more and more selfish and self-centered. Nor do I blame Reagan solely for the change in American culture. His being elected was a product of the already swinging pendulum.

        It was only in the Fifties, and likely because of the exposure of WWII Nazi death camps, Jews finally began to be accepted by the general public in America as ‘White’ (nothing like a little feeling of guilt to get the ball rolling) The Sixties saw expression of a desire for Peace and Love by an idealistic youth movement, probably in significant part because of the fear so many had for themselves or family/friends being sent to the meat grinder that was Vietnam. Nevertheless the Sixties were high on Ideals. But, even before Vietnam involvement was expanded by Kennedy and Johnson, there had already begun the fight for Civil Rights in America (late Fifties, early Sixties), with many (newly White) young Jews in the vanguard for African American Civil Rights.

        Forgive all the caveats. I’m just trying to make my thoughts clear without writing a whole book. Anyway, by the Reagan years America had taken a turn for selfishness and Greed that has yet to run it’s course. Greed is not just for monetary wealth, but expressed sometimes as desire for personal power over others for instance by police as exemplified by the Fullerton Six. While I hold these animals are not representative of the average Cop in America they are disturbingly larger in proportion than should be in a Democratic country. Some here have mentioned examples of police abuse of power in Canada and recently Great Britain. Actually, at every protest I’ve read about of the G-5++ Summits there have been acts of police brutality against peaceful demonstrators. Then the demonstrators are portrayed by the Corporately (read very wealthy) owned media as “rioters.” One must dare not inconvenient the very wealthy and very powerful, after all.

        That said, my observations in both the UK and Canada indicated to me the _average_ use of physical force in a citizen/police encounter is less there than here. American police must be trained to rely on force more often as a First Option than are police in other Western Democracies. It can’t all be from individual character flaws! The beating/tasering of Rodney King and the tasering/beating death of Kelly Thomas are extreme examples of American police reliance on physical force as panacea for conflict situations, but they are by no means un-indicative of police hiring and training practices…. Gee, maybe I should write a book: Trying to cram all this into one short post is, um, challenging. So many thoughts, so little time! Allow me to skip to the other point I wanted to make in response your post:

        With the constant advances by medical science, is it not entirely implausible so suppose my body may last another 10 – 20 years. Sadly however, Chris Reeves held out hope medical advances would enable him to walk again in his lifetime, it didn’t happen, bless his soul. So, while medical advances are certainly occasional unexpected blessings they are not something to pin one’s hopes on. So, I promise to do my best to “hang around” as long as able, but when we go is not really up to us, and seldom known in advance.

        Thank you so much, dear @Justice for the expressed sentiments. My ramblings are merely anecdotal or personal opinion, whereas yours are actually informative!

        Now see what you did? You went and encouraged the old duffer, and he won’t shut up! 😉

        All the best,
        Xer

  110. malasangre :we get it you got a pool. oooh your so coool

    Not just any pool, either. It turned out quite nicely. Very tropical, soothing; just a perfect setting to enjoy a cocktail by. And not a homeless person for miles and miles. Unlike the cess”pool” that is Fullerton, homeless magnet of North Orange County.

    1. by Free Spirit, My Ass on August 18, 2011
      malasangre :we get it you got a pool. oooh your so coool
      Not just any pool, either. It turned out quite nicely. Very tropical, soothing; just a perfect setting to enjoy a cocktail by. And not a homeless person for miles and miles. Unlike the cess”pool” that is Fullerton, homeless magnet of North Orange County.

      pobrecito

      But, not to feel deprived: Your cesspool is in the center of your chest, where the rest of us have hearts. Now don’t you feel better?

  111. It seems pretty obvious from both the sudden surge in FPD troll numbers here, and the increasing shrillness of their posts, the FPD has finally realized these blogs are actually creating awareness within the citizenry of Fullerton and Orange County as well as National and World media awareness of the filthy corruption in Fullerton’s Police Department. If FPD were not genuinely concerned it would have remained basically just the two trolls with a multitude of names that have been posting here for weeks. So, they’ve awakened to the realization, in a Democracy there is true strength in numbers and Society’s awareness. Sadly for the FPD and their shrill little trolls, both in the news and on the Internet honesty, integrity, and logical argument sway the largest segments of viewers. Since FPD possess none of the above they are relying on lies, obfuscations, character assignations of witnesses, posters, Kelly, and the entire Thomas family in attempts to swing public opinion over to their ‘side.’ After all it has always before worked for them in Fullerton and Orange County courtrooms where the judges and DA’s automatically side with local cops regardless how corrupt. Well sorry boyz, it won’t work for you on the Internet and in the Media Court of World Opinion any better than it has for Syria’s Assad. Wrong is wrong, injustice is injustice murder is MURDER, and the world is watching you floundering in your own filthy lies. Remember that wolfish grin the blond CNN news anchor wore when she smelled McKinley’s fear? Expect more of that. So, continue with attacks on those who seek justice for Kelly Thomas, continue with your shrill attacks on those here calling your bluffs. You are your own worst enemies. While your chorus of personal lovers and family members keep cheering you on, the rest of is world is becoming increasingly disgusted with your vile antics. Keep telling yourselves it will just blow over if you hunker down long enough. Mussolini believed that. Hitler believed that. The Shah of Iran believed that, Saddam Hussein believed that, Osama bin Laden believed that! Hum, where are they now? But, hey! You’re in good company. Kin Jung Il still has an iron grip on his people’s terror as do the Ayatollahs in Iran. It may help you get through a couple more weeks, even months. But, it didn’t help Mubarak. It isn’t helping Gaddafi any longer, Assad still manages to cling to power tenaciously. But justice is coming for them as justice is coming for you boyz, just as surely as it came for the blue hoodlums in New Orleans. Real justice is not as quick as your lead weighted gloved fists and tasers are on your victims, but real justice is inexorable. Don’t worry so much about the fear you are currently attempting to cover with your bluster and bravado. You will learn about real fear when you finally get to prison. Ask your New Orleans brothers if you don’t believe it.

    Oh, and like Justice for ALL said, enjoy your freedom while you still can. Better get out there on your pretend golf course and by your fantasy swimming pools surrounded by your fantasy Fredericks of Hollywood models while you still can. Those artificial memories may come in handy later on in prison.

    And, since you psychopathic sociopaths would doubtless take over and run from the inside any local State prison, I hope the Feds put you in isolated Maximum Security Facilities where you animals rightfully belong. That certainly is what I’ll be writing my Congressional Representatives and Senators asking them to push for.

    So, have fun with your little trollish games while you can, boyz. Justice IS coming.

    You’ll “hear that train a comin,’ a comin’ ’round the bend, and [you] won’t see the sunshine, ’till [you] don’t know when…”

    Hallelujah Johnny. You tell ‘em. 😎

  112. @ #528Xer well said they are experiencing the terror that is being pounded into there head every day there is no escape the terror they inflicted on a mentally sick man who posed no threat to them or anybody else. The 6 psychopaths are doomed and they know it but are in denial.they did there family proud there children will always wonder why there dad murdered a homeless man what a legacy to leave behind they are pitiful human beings.All 6 of you bottom feeders have shamed your families.

  113. Sean :You’re a cop. Your brain has been washed. Everyone on here is too smart for you. The eraser on my pencil is too smart for you. The dried up banana skin in my trash can is too smart for you. Starting to get the point there punchy?

    Sean: You trying to hurt my feelings?

  114. Free Spirit, My Ass :
    Dear Justice for All: Please take a powder and a chill pill. Sympathy from those on this blog is the last thing I want. I couldn’t care less what all 25 of you think. I’m more concerned about going dove hunting on the upcoming opener. And, of course, those great pool days I keep informing you guys about. It’s just great to see all of you emotional types getting your panties all in a bunch over simple posts. Again, NO ONE CARES! It’ll be a memory soon.

    @ FreeSpirit My Ass,
    I understand completely that you don’t want sympathy and that you don’t care what anyone thinks, that’s obviously because you have a:
    • lack of moral sense
    • lack of guilt
    * have little regard for the feeling and welfare of others

    I also completely understand that you are only anxious to go to the pool and to go dove hunting, and again that is obviously because you are suffering from:
    • self-centeredness
    • no sense of responsibility
    • no change in behavior after punishment
    • inability to control impulses

    I also completely understand why you would tell me to take a powder and a chill pill and tell me that I’m emotional and that my panties are in a bunch. It’s because you suffer from:
    • chronically antisocial behavior
    • emotional immaturity
    • inability to form meaningful relationships

    And, I completely understand why you say that “NO ONE CARES! It’ll be a memory soon.” You say that only because you are:
    • not learning from experience

    Oh my goodness!! I see a distinct pattern emerging here!!! You might want to show the list below to your therapist. It will help answer a LOT of questions.

    What is a sociopath?
    Antisocial Personality Disorder is also known as psychopathy or sociopathy. Individuals with this disorder have little regard for the feeling and welfare of others. As a clinical diagnosis it is usually limited to those over age 18. It can be diagnosed in younger people if the they commit isolated antisocial acts and do not show signs of another mental disorder.
    Antisocial Personality Disorder is chronic, beginning in adolescence and continuing throughout adulthood. There are ten general symptoms:

    • not learning from experience
    • no sense of responsibility
    • inability to form meaningful relationships
    • inability to control impulses
    • lack of moral sense
    • chronically antisocial behavior
    • no change in behavior after punishment
    • emotional immaturity
    • lack of guilt
    • self-centeredness

    1. If they discharge firearms like they subdue suspects, it would take the FPD in it’s entirety to bring down one dove.

      1. They will surround said dove, screaming “stop resisting” at it as they bash it and tase it repeatedly. Afterwards they will brag in the locker room about “how they sure showed that dove who’s boss.”

  115. What I have learned through the experience of being in a situation where I was forced to report police & official corruption –

    where my choice was – report police corruption

    or remain silent and be oppressed – is that it is NOT guaranteed that something good will come out of reporting police corruption,

    This is because if the environment for reporting police corruption is hostile to the idea of cleansing the police or addition official corruption –

    or if the officials cannot handle and feel threatened by an underling or a student complaining about sexual abuses, or the complaint about the police framing them then the person uncovering the Institutionalized corruption will probably be retaliated against in some way such as terminated if employed as a police officer, or framed by police if a student at a California Community College.

    What I have also learned by NOT backing down & by sticking up for myself, and going through the experience, although I would NOT at all have chosen it for myself – it makes you wiser and stronger once you are able to get passed the pain of the injustice, and in my case once I was able to get past the pain of the physical injury of police brutality.

    For a person of conscience

    You are damned if you don’t report police corruption

    And you may be damned if you do report police corruption

    IN the case of not reporting police corruption – if you are a police officer – you may remain safe and get your pay packet but will you feel good about yourself when your fellow officers or employees deal corruptly with people or “accidentally” murder them.

    And what if you happen to be there when someone gets murdered by one of your fellow officers. Then that is when – you have been damned for not reporting…

    And there are always signs in advance – that a fellow officer may becoming unhinged and capable of murder.

    If you do have the strength and are in a position to report police corruption – this is the stance that will be intuitively taken by you and the outcome will hinge on the local environment whether you can stay or whether you have to move away to a more peaceful – corruption free environment.

  116. All you folks need to be sure to BOYCOTT Fullerton businesses! Why? So far they have done nothing to clean their stinky town up of the parasites who run the City. The only way to do that is to hurt them in the pocketbook as they all know 2 + 2 = 4. THey understand the cash register! My friends and I were regulars in Fullerton scenes, now we simply go elsewhere! Too bad! By the way, Fullerton is self insured so taxpayers there will bear the brunt of the settlements in these cases.

  117. let the cleanup continue. all cops should know by now that they are being recorded…all the time. they are as stupid as they are brutal and arrogant. time to pay us now. pay your debt to society you dirty cops. youre caught and you cant do these abusive things anymore. the people are SICK of it! Enough…time to pay.

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