Slidebar’s Noise Assault: Is It Even Legal?


Ah, late night music in downtown Fullerton. The louder it gets, the more people show up.  And at the Slidebar, the party rocks on every night of the week.

Sure, it’s fun if you’re visiting from the 909 on a Thursday night. But to the rest of the public, nonstop amplified outdoor music is known as something else: a Public Nuisance.

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Here’s what the Fullerton Municipal Code’s Limitations on Permitted Uses section has to say about music on outdoor patios:

Accessory Outdoor Dining or Patio.

15.30.040.I.7.c.ii.     No amplified music or amplified entertainment is permitted outdoors, except recorded background music for dining establishments wherein normal conversation is not impeded; no music or entertainment shall be permitted on a patio past 10:00 p.m. Sunday through Thursday, and 11:00 p.m. Friday and Saturday.

So whose job it is to police the downtown bars and night clubs that have patios with outdoor amplified music?

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  1. #1 by Reality Is on March 27, 2012

    Pull their CUP and see what it says.

    :-)

    • #2 by Anonymous on March 27, 2012

      What is a CUP?

      • #3 by The Fullerton Savage on March 27, 2012

        Conditional Use Permit.

    • #4 by The Fullerton Harpoon on March 27, 2012

      It doesn’t matter what it says. You can’t violate the Municipal Code via a Conditional Use Permit. Jesus, you’re ignorant.

      And lonely.

      • #5 by merijoe on March 27, 2012

        Patrick-How does a CUP help with this:

        15.30.040.I.7.c.ii. no music or entertainment shall be permitted on a patio past 10:00 p.m. Sunday through Thursday, and 11:00 p.m. Friday and Saturday

        This has nothing to do with noise levels. This is a nuisance issue (much like you)

        • #6 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 27, 2012

          Ain’t no Patrick merijoe, that’s Don!!!

          • #7 by merijoe on March 27, 2012

            Nope, that’s O’Malley

            • #8 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 27, 2012

              And how does O’Malley know so much about the internal information of FPD?

              • #9 by karma on March 28, 2012

                ACU, re; Patrick O Malley

                I am not so sure he does, but he would want you to believe that he does. And he has “friends” in Fullerton,

                that is assuming the RI posting is the same per usual (O malley) and not an imposter.

                • #10 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 28, 2012

                  Trust me karma, no one from another agency is going to spend this much time on issues involving Fullerton.

                  Not active duty cops.

                • #11 by merijoe on March 28, 2012

                  ACU, depends on the relationship he has with certain ones.

                • #12 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 28, 2012

                  Ok merijoe, what are the perceived relationships?

                  War vets, one of O’Malley’s pals here at FPD jumped on a hand grenade during the 1991 gulf war?

                  Beer drinkin pals, academy buddy’s? Married to someone’s sister?

                  Sorry gotta ask, cause I haven’t seen anything to support all this.

                  If someone just pulled a name out of the sky, because they had a feeling, well you know how that goes.

                • #13 by karma on March 28, 2012

                  Sorry ACU, I completely disagree and would bet my first born male child that the original, turd stirring RI is O’Malley. Do some research and you will find his connections and reasons for him being here.

                  (this got posted higher up in error, so I am re-posting for continuity’s sake.)

                • #14 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 28, 2012

                  Thanks karma, you have a specific link or area you looked at to come to this conclusion?

                  I’d appreciate some help here.

                • #15 by Just Asking on March 28, 2012

                  O’ Malley does have a connection. It’s via the slug Dave Ellis who slimes his way around in the 909.

                • #16 by Jane H on March 28, 2012

                  O.k., there’s a good one. Tell us more.

                • #17 by Anonymous on March 28, 2012

                  cut the crap, karma

              • #18 by The Fullerton Harpoon on March 28, 2012

                Bankhead can’t use a computer, let alone write. Even if it’s just the semi-literate tapping of Reality Is.

          • #19 by nipsey on March 27, 2012

            No. Don can barely flip a light switch let alone type on a magic TV typewriter thingy and the interwebz.

      • #20 by cg on March 27, 2012

        50db to 55db 10pm to 7am. Read City Code…..weekends are not excluded. But you know the city makes up their own rules…The Rule is “WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE RESISDENTS”….

    • #21 by Anonymous on March 27, 2012

      RI, do you know what it says?

    • #22 by admin on March 27, 2012

      They don’t have one.

    • #23 by Just Asking on March 28, 2012

      Haha! O’Malley & Associates – Professional Land Use Planners!

  2. #24 by Reality Is on March 27, 2012

    Slime bar has been busier than ever lately. Packed. Do you think the attention you gave it only increased their business?

    • #25 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 27, 2012

      You said no one reads the blog Bankhead!!!!

      • #26 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 27, 2012

        Thought you like it.

  3. #27 by Christian on March 27, 2012

    Code enforcement and anyone else. Simply record it on video and show a time stamp. You’ll probably have to sign a statement.

  4. #28 by The Fullerton Watcher on March 27, 2012

    About time…

  5. #29 by Anonymous on March 27, 2012

    Wow, you should call the police! In fact, there are probably some of them in there right now, so it should be easy to get their attention.

    • #30 by Downtown Dave on March 28, 2012

      That’s precisely the problem. The cops are getting free drinks and killed Kelly in return.

  6. #31 by The Fullerton Harpoon on March 27, 2012

    I thinks that’s the official song of the Anti-recall campaign.

    Didn’t the cracker Jones say he was going to get hard and tough and mean? In 2007?

  7. #32 by Useless on March 27, 2012

    Code enforcement is worthless in Fullerton. It took them three years to act on a simple complaint I made against an unnamed Fullerton bar which was violating multiple building code sections. This is after I was told they were unsure if any codes were being violated because it seemed like more of an operations problem even when I submitted the code sections to them with the complaint.

  8. #33 by Downtown Resident on March 27, 2012

    They let Roscoe’s (AKA Jack Franklyn) violate city law with impunity. There’s rules for them and there’s rules for us.

    And that’s why we need a Recall!

    • #34 by James Cameron on March 27, 2012

      True. Roscoe’s had illegal amplified noise and the city actually tried to make up a load of bullshit via a fake sound study so they could keep violating the law.

    • #35 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 27, 2012

      A sound meter REALLY???

      I think the audio from the video clearly speaks for itself.

      Very doubtful people can have a conversation inside the bar, or even outside within 100 ft, without shouting.

      “wherein normal conversation is not impeded”

      No scientific data needed. No citizen arrest needed.

      How about a uniform cop standing 100 ft or closer to business OUTSIDE.

      Violation committed in one’s presence. PRESS hard 4 copies.

      It’s a general intent crime Mr.Bankhead. Which means if it’s happening your in violation.

      • #36 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 27, 2012

        But let’s not forget that’s the sleazebar where the guys in blue probably get free beer or special discounts.

        Can’t bite the hand that feeds you.

        • #37 by merijoe on March 27, 2012

          Slideburp has been around for a few years, I’m quite sure they’ve recieved more than one warning since then.

          • #38 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 27, 2012

            In fact merijoe, maybe Don can tell us HOW many warnings or citations have been handed out over the years?

            I bet few if any!!!!

            • #39 by merijoe on March 27, 2012

              If any were given to them, and,my magic Kreskin powers tell me, there won’t be any record of those.

        • #40 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 27, 2012

          OH I DOUBT the noise from that bar is a once in a while thing.

          Always discretionary when a business takes care of the boys. ALWAYS!!!!!!

          Some unknowing cop who wrote the manager of the sleazebar a ticket might catch hell from his peers. WE can’t have that.

          Is that what you meant to say??????

          • #41 by Reality Is on March 27, 2012

            Under normal conditions, it’s up to the cop handling the call or his Sergeant.

            This isn’t normal conditions.

            This call now would involve politics and public perception. Due to that, this call would be handled by the book. No variation at all.

            So if there is a violation there will and would be a cite. Politics brings discretion to another level in 2012.

            • #42 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 27, 2012

              Yes cop politics. YOU mean the Sergeant decides?

              The patrolman in Fullerton have to have a Sergeant hold their hand before they issue a ticket because of politics?

              That’s some funny stuff right there if that’s the case.

              Must be a ton of politics in citing the shit out of that tow company too.

      • #43 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 27, 2012

        If I am the one with the ticket book, then I guess I am the one making the final decision.

        Let’s not make this simple violation appear to be something that takes a lot of thought to accomplish.

        You being the city councilman, can tell the Chief of Police to throw the ticket away.

        I know you’ve been out of the game since 1988, but we still interpret the law by the simple language of the statued.

        It’s not that simply cause it’s the sleazebar, some of your boys watering hole.

        The sound meter doesn’t have squat to do with it.

        • #44 by Kevin on March 27, 2012

          Final decision? Negative. That would be a judge.

      • #45 by James Cameron on March 28, 2012

        Haha. nobody inside the place WANTS to talk to anybody. Douchebags and bleeths don’t converse. They chatter.

        GOD MODE ACTIVATED!

      • #46 by Kevin on March 28, 2012

        Yes, a sound meter! By all means! They are extraordinarily cheap. Get one.

        Video cameras have automatic gain and it is not at all “clear” how loud it really is. A $30 investment changes things from subjective to hard numbers.

        I’d even go as far as to set up a “demonstration” outside city hall. Get a boom box. Play the exact same song (or better, get a five minute recording outside the Slidebar with the crowd noises and all). Stand 10-20 feet from the boom box and crank up the volume until your sound meter reads the same as outside the Slidebar. Anyone in that same 10-20 foot zone will be able to physically experience the actual volume level.

        Keep in mind this isn’t an exact replication because at the Slidebar you are much farther away from the source. If you set the boom box 50 feet away it would be much more realistic, but you probably can’t find a boom box that powerful and you’d be created a very real and significant disturbance doing a demonstration of that size.

        • #47 by admin on March 28, 2012

          Kevin, I have a sound meter and a decent camera. Would you like to go with me and record the Slibebar one night this week? I’d appreciate your help.

          If so, please send your contact info to: http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/contact/

          Thank You,

          Tony Bushala

          • #48 by Kevin on March 30, 2012

            Reply sent.

    • #49 by cg on March 27, 2012

      Is someone blowing bubbles up your butt…Where the hell do you live? Cause I am sure it’s not Fullerton. Code Enforcement has not written a citation in years….

      • #50 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 27, 2012

        The cops can write the ticket if need be. Code enforcement is a moot issue at 11:00PM.

      • #51 by Code enforcement Sweetie on March 27, 2012

        Not True!!

        • #52 by Code enforcement Sweetie on March 27, 2012

          That was for you cg, sweetie!

  9. #53 by Citizen C on March 27, 2012

    Mr. Zelinka, I hope you address this issue at tomorrow nights Planning Commission meeting. I see your agenda has an item that is somewhat related to this issue. Looks like it will be your first real test. I’m pulling for you to discuss this issue without being afraid of the consequences.
    You have talked about transparency, let’s see how transparent you really are.

    • #54 by James Cameron on March 27, 2012

      Oh, yes, Mr. Z. Think Big Ideas just like Daniel Burnham. And then contemplate this: in 10 weeks you’re going to have a new council. It’s never to late to pull your head out of your lower colon.

  10. #55 by Elvis on March 27, 2012

    Rock and roll is the devils music. Next thing you know the kids will be having sex and smoking marijuna.

  11. #56 by Vernon Dozier on March 27, 2012

    Code enforcement is too busy harassing people about overgrown shrubs and peeling paint.

    • #57 by Code Enforcement Sweetie on March 27, 2012

      That’s my job sweetie. I dont get paid all that money for nothing.

      • #58 by Vernon Dozier on March 27, 2012

        Actually, you do get paid for nothing. Your presence is a complete waste of time and money.

      • #59 by Not a REdeveloper on March 28, 2012

        Code enforcement no longer has the official incentive to avoid cleaning up blight now that the Redevelopment Agency is dead.

  12. #60 by Anonymous on March 27, 2012

    909′ ers aint going to shiterton. 909′ ers stick it in the IE

  13. #61 by Don Blankhead on March 27, 2012

    What? I can’t hear anything. What?

  14. #62 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 27, 2012

    Why don’t you post the CUP for the sleazebar right here. Solve the mystery.

    Or might that show a SPECIAL favor??

  15. #63 by merijoe on March 27, 2012

    crying

  16. #64 by M.U.R. on March 27, 2012

    This girl I’ve been talking to just texted me from there, ugh.

  17. #65 by M.U.R. on March 27, 2012

    A girl I’ve been talking to just texted me from there, ugh.

    • #66 by Leon on March 27, 2012

      M.U.R., if she has a smart phone, ask her to send you a video of the mayhem and post it here! That would be fun to watch and hear.

  18. #67 by Kevin on March 27, 2012

    So what? I’m going to tentatively disagree on this one.

    Who is being impacted here? Is anyone actually complaining?

    I realize Slidebar is “the enemy” or something like that, but if they are reasonably not impacting anyone but a few passersby then I view this as a “live and let live” situation. It’s just attacking Freedom to lodge a complaint where there are no truly aggrieved parties.

    Hence, I need more information before I can form an opinion, and I am inclined to disagree here. Similar to sidewalk smoking bans… temporary inconvenience… get over it.

    • #68 by admin on March 27, 2012

      Kevin, I would not have made this an issue had it not been for the fact that I know several people who live downtown that can’t get a good night of sleep because of the loud noise emanating from the Slibebars outside patio.

      I believe and I’m sure you agree that it is very important for people and businesses alike to understand that it’s not cool to disturb the peace of others. And if someone is disturbing the peace of others, they should be held accountable.

      • #69 by Fullerton Lover on March 28, 2012

        Tony,
        Is it possible for the residents downtown to start videotaping outside of these establishments after 10PM, while simultaneously holding a smart phone displaying the time with a noise meter applet that shows what the noise level is currently at?

        These videotapes could go a long way in convinciung a Judge in Municipal Court/Superior Court to seek immediate relief for residents from the continual noise, by seeking a noise injunction, as was done by residents in Costa Mesa to get the Pacific Amphitheater to stop at 10 PM.

        The best part about this methodolgy is that it is done within civil court and does not require interaction of the FPD or the City Council to enact.

        • #70 by Anonymous on March 28, 2012

          I wouldn’t go alone. It would suck getting beaten to a pulp by some drunk off duty thug for “not gettin’ the fuck out of my face with your camera, bro!” aka Penal Codes 69 and 415.

        • #71 by Kevin on March 28, 2012

          Your noise meter app won’t mean much in court. Buy a real SPL meter at Radio Shack. They go for like $30. Make sure you put it on the correct setting (dbA-weighted or other… check the muni code to see how it is supposed to be measure).

          Then, make LOTS of video clips with the date/time turned on in your camera (if possible). Otherwise, capture your cell phone clock because that is synchronized to very accurate time. ALSO, make certain your face appears for a moment because you will need to give testimony that it was you that took the video and that you have first hand knowledge of each instance. Keep a log of each instance.

          When you have LOTS of these clips, have FFFF put together a video showing 20 of them back to back. Make a formal complaint IN WRITING to the city planning department, council and police. Get a second copy of each complaint date stamped “received” from each department. Do this at least twice or three times so you can show the city ignored you. THEN you can go to court, if necessary. You can also go to the press at that point because the video will be compelling.

          If you actually go to court, I’d hire an audio professional. It would be nice to get a certified expert sound engineer, but it would be fairly compelling to have just about any recording studio or P.A. technician from the local music store who has experience with an SPL meter (sound pressure level).

          And… if safety is an issue, have another friend videotaping you in case the thugs attack you.

          Hope that helps.

      • #72 by Kevin on March 28, 2012

        I’m very “Live and let live” oriented, but if there are direct neighbors being impacted and unhappy I am with you.

    • #73 by merijoe on March 28, 2012

      Kevin or whatever your name is,

      “Who is being impacted here?”

      Anybody who lives within earshot around or nearby to that classy establishment, and, there are people who do LIVE nearby.

      Sound carries for miles, loud ass annoying music is a nuisance, there is law against it after certain hours and it demonstrates clearly the selfish disregard and cocky unconcerned attitude of the management and those patrons that frequent that bar. (Not to mention FPD).

      Has nothing to do with who’s an enemy and who isn’t, the same rules apply to everyone regarding when to shut the loud noise off.

      Some folk have to work or get up early in the morning.

      Publicly disclosing this noise issue as well as various other issues that concern the Fullerton community is very responsible whether you feel it important or not.
      If more had the spine to show activity of these types of community issues, there would be many others, including businesses and government, who would think twice before selfishly trampling on other’s rights and simply acting out of self interest.

  19. #74 by Kevin on March 27, 2012

    Again, unless there are actually nearby complainants I disagree with attacking Slidebar just because you can.

    • #75 by Elm Street Resident on March 28, 2012

      I’ve made numerous complaints to the Police over the years. I’ve been woken up probably over a hundred tinmes from a dead sleep at the hours between 11:30 and 1:30 by huge blast by the DJ ‘s. It’s very difficult to force yourself out of bed at those hours and deal with cops. They have even had the audacity to claim that they needed to enter my home to listen from my bedroom to verify. I’ve had enough too. SHUT DOWN SLIMEBAR!

      • #76 by merijoe on March 28, 2012

        Who the heeelllll from the FPD told you they would need to enter your house so they could hear the noise that you were complaining about to them? and why did they ask this of you? aside from the fact that they didn’t care.

        Not sure but it sounds like a zillion rights were violated right there.

      • #77 by Fullertons future on March 28, 2012

        Gee Tony don’t you live on Elm st? It must be terrifying trying to hide the paraphernalia and the dilated pupils from the cops in the middle of the night. Try to stick with 1 or 10 names on this blog it gets so confusing.

      • #78 by Kevin on March 28, 2012

        Maybe you should take video tape inside your bedroom. You can control where the camera points. If you can clearly hear the sound and can document the time and repeated instances it would be very compelling.

  20. #79 by merijoe on March 27, 2012

    I think he has the typical narcissistic, facist thinking….if I sound like I am a loud mouth, know it all dictator with any made up BS I can think of, about policing, people WILL listen to me.

    Then he sieg heils himself in the mirror.

    • #80 by merijoe on March 27, 2012

      the above comment was a reply to ACU #50

  21. #81 by Justice for All on March 27, 2012

    Is the Slimebar turning up the music volume so loud in order to drown out the helpless, futile screams, (both past and future?), of innocent, defenseless, homeless people being murdered by the boys in blue? “Please Don’t kill me!!!” “Help! Help! I can’t breathe! Dad! God! I’m sorry! Help!! DAD! DAD! DAD!”

    Slimebar, I have news for you. I can still hear Kelly Thomas begging for his life, no matter how loud you turn up the music.

  22. #82 by reclaiming fullerton on March 27, 2012

    A lot of the music blasted into the transportation cooridor can be clearly heard with profanity in the lyrics. With women and children present isn’t there a ordinace in the law to file a complaint for profanity if the recipient , which can be anyone near this area, were to find this offensive?

  23. #83 by reclaiming fullerton on March 27, 2012

    This commentary is being posted in the wrong spot as the last 15 comments are keeping the last ending spot posting positions.

  24. #84 by Tuco Ramirez on March 28, 2012

    You do not send out code violations to your friends and contributors. Too many political neophytes on this blog. One had washes the other. This is Orange County and ya gotta get re-election money somehow. Since there is no gambling casino slush fund for city councilmembers, the next best thing is liquor establishments.

  25. #85 by Barely Leaverstine on March 28, 2012

    The video was from the college drop out and dateless nerd Travis Kiger hiding in the bushes during his prom.

  26. #86 by Fullerton Lover on March 28, 2012

    Kevin :
    So what? I’m going to tentatively disagree on this one.
    Who is being impacted here? Is anyone actually complaining?
    I realize Slidebar is “the enemy” or something like that, but if they are reasonably not impacting anyone but a few passersby then I view this as a “live and let live” situation. It’s just attacking Freedom to lodge a complaint where there are no truly aggrieved parties.
    Hence, I need more information before I can form an opinion, and I am inclined to disagree here. Similar to sidewalk smoking bans… temporary inconvenience… get over it.

    Assuming that you are NOT the narcisstic dolt that used to be our interim Chief Of Police here in Fullerton, I’ll take it that you are of reasonable intelligence and can understand or comprehend that these noise standards after 10PM are the same for the Slidebar as they are for ALL of us that choose to live and/or conduct their business within Fullerton so that our families can eventually fall asleep at night.

    Imagine if you lived downntown and had to try and fall asleep with a band or DJ blasting and rattling your windows till 2 AM each morning, and I’m positive that you would be more interested in having the noise law evenly applied.

    I

    • #87 by Kevin on March 28, 2012

      F.L.– I think I made it fairly evident that I advocate doing something when someone is actually impacted, but not just to go after someone because you can. While I think moving downtown obligates anyone to be more lenient than if they lived in the country, if it is unreasonable then complain by all means. If it is not just surrounded by commercial and industrial uses, then complain.

      Is that clear?

  27. #88 by Citizen M on March 28, 2012

    admin :Kevin, I would not have made this an issue had it not been for the fact that I know several people who live downtown that can’t get a good night of sleep because of the loud noise emanating from the Slibebars outside patio.
    I believe and I’m sure you agree that it is very important for people and businesses alike to understand that it’s not cool to disturb the peace of others. And if someone is disturbing the peace of others, they should be held accountable.

    THIS IS A FACT…..not that I dont like music, its just after hearing the same songs at levels that Im pretty sure can make me deaf…its disturbing- I live off Malden and I can attest to hearing the bands from my roof, a block away from the PINT house, I can hear it clearly…until the wee hours of the morning…I walk by there and the people are shouting at each other, because they cant even hear themselves making asses out of themselves…do i need to take video, from my roof and then while tape is still rolling walk the block – and end up 100 feet away from the establishment? Just curious…its really bad.
    I know people will say ( cops have told me- my fault for living Downtown) look where you live..yes Im aware of my metropolitan area, but I already have to clean puke, piss and condoms up, now i have to wear ear plugs to go to bed…Really?

    • #89 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 28, 2012

      In light of all the issues coming forth, MAYBE Captain Hughes will have one of his boys cite the bar owners accordingly, after reading all this?

      I hope he is patrolling the streets at night from time to time. It should be part of his public relations plan to build back the trust of the community, RIGHT Dan?

      It’s obvious RI was spewing his one sided propoganda last night.

      Let me spew some of my own.

      If there is that much noise as Citizen M says, it’s an officer safety issue because FPD cannot communicate with anyone without screaming at them to hear their commands.

      The dispatcher might not be able to hear what their officers are saying over the radio with that much background noise.

      We would not want some bar patron beatin for not following the directions of the police, or some cop simply speaking into his/her radio, and some dispatcher thinks he or she needs help when they don’t and panics.

      Hows that RI for potential reality??

      • #90 by Anonymous on March 28, 2012

        If he won’t investigate the startling similarities between Albert Rincon and the Fullerton rapist, he’s not going to investigate this.

  28. #91 by karma on March 28, 2012

    Is it possible to find out how many complaints have been made regarding Slimebars noise?

    • #92 by AntiCorruptionUnit on March 28, 2012

      Yes it is karma.

      Just plug the information needed into the computer data base, it will spit out the calls for service for that location and the surrounding reporting district if need be.

  29. #93 by Citizen M on March 28, 2012

    Can anyone give me the home address’ of the slidebar owner, and the pint house and matador, maybe they would like for me to sit in front of their house, with the same four songs playing over and over…of course its going to be 11 to 2am…..see if their kids hate it, maybe I will throw solo cups, condoms and bags of puke, to make it real for them.

    • #94 by Fullerton Lover on March 28, 2012

      I can tell you where all three of the deadbeats that are responsiblefor creating this problem live if your interested?

      Don Bankhead lives on Valencia Mesa around 5 or 6 houses east of Bastanchury, and has a “Stop the Recall” “Fullerton is Not For Sale” sign in front of his house next to the road to try and create sympathy for himself.

      I’m sure that if you parked a van in front of Don’s house and opened up the cargo doors to offer a simulcast of the band and patron noise that your experiencing as a resident, would get an immediate call to the Fullerton PD to offer you a ride back to the station and maybe even get a “screen test” along the way.

      However, if this were to actually be played out, it would go along way towards proving that the noise law is being applied arbitrarily capriciously and could provide a venue for all residents affected to seek long term relief in a civil court, as well as provide the teeth that come with a Judge’s order to curb similar noise infractions downtown in the future.

  30. #96 by One for the books on March 28, 2012

    Such a wonderful, up-standing establishment that does so much to contribute to the benefits of the city! Someone should complain about the late-night NOISE POLLUTION at the next council meeting and see where it goes. Get the complaint on the record!

    • #97 by merijoe on March 28, 2012

      Where’s the banner for that?

  31. #98 by Ken on March 28, 2012

    Kirk Warren, head of code enforcement will say anything that serves his best interests at the time. The tax credit -sub standard hell hole I lived in during my hellish six years in Fullerton was supposed to be inspected by the city annually…Sept 19th 2006, city council meeting Kirk Warren was doing a lot of CYA..he said his inspectors spend 30 minutes in each apartment and 30 minutes writing up a report back in the office…BS!!!!!!, I lived there 3 years before I ever saw a city inspector, when they did inspect, the only thing they would find wrong or things the tenants could be charged for and to find these things they had to overlook code violations the property owner was responsible for. When you are a department head of a city and you stand at the podium in city hall and lie through your teeth on camera you should be terminated. He initially refused to meet with my tenants group until we went to the city council and I believe it was Dr Jones that made him meet with us. He told us there was nothing he could do about the municipal code, it was dictated by the state and there was nothing he could do about these sub-standard places where the plumbing is shot except make them repair leaks. Then I see Warren a year or two later at city council asking for changes in the municipal code to go after homeowners with blue tarps on their carports…what a contradiction…nothing he can do about plumbing that looks like it was dredged up from the Titanic, but plenty he could do about blue tarps, I would assume because there is potential revenue to be had going after home owners with blue tarps. Dr Jones said more emphasis needed to be placed on sub-standard housing on 2/19/08 city council meeting. He became quiet animated and angry. The only emphasis the city placed on this issue was on the vocal tenants speaking out. Jones is clueless as to how unscrupulous his departments heads are.

  32. #99 by karma on March 28, 2012

    Sorry ACU, I completely disagree and would bet my first born male child that the original, turd stirring RI is O’Malley. Do some research and you will find his connections and reasons for him being here.

  33. #100 by R.D. on March 28, 2012

    No wonder why the Ambulances, and Fire trucks crank up their sirens going down Commonwealth ave. They have to compete with the parties going on at Slimebar.

  34. #101 by Fullertons future on March 28, 2012

    I long for the days when Fullertons downtown consisted of boarded up buildings, second hand stores, pawn shops and gay bars.

  35. #102 by truthseeker on March 28, 2012

    I wonder how long the Slidebar banner is going to hang on the Acacia elementary school kindergarten playground fence visible from Dorothy? What a great establishment to brand with our children and their families.

  36. #103 by Steve Brow on March 28, 2012

    Some cops become writers ACU. You have for the purpose of exposing political corruption within police agencies. I am most of the way through former Fullerton PD officer Phil O’Brien’s book on stories of the Fullerton Police Department from 1960 to 1990. It is the first of at least 13 books he has published.

    RI seems to me a person for whom writing is the goal in itself. He would have a lot of contacts and gravitate to an historic issue without needing any other personal reason. His comments would not even need to be his own opinion. His diversions and barbs often seem to be aimed at getting others to comment on tributary issues or just to get annoyed to let their personality come out. This is often done by writers to develop characters for their stories.

    I’ll fall off my chair laughing if I someday pick up a book entitled “Reality Is” and find a character whose similarity to KH “is not representative of any real person and whose similarity is only coincidental”.

    • #104 by Justice for ALL on March 28, 2012

      “I’ll fall off my chair laughing if I someday pick up a book entitled “Reality Is” and find a character whose similarity to KH “is not representative of any real person and whose similarity is only coincidental”.

      Did you mean “…similarity to Kelly Thomas…” ? If so, the disclaimer would be needed, since anything RI wrote about Kelly Thomas would certainly contain massive amounts of fiction.

  37. #105 by Steve Brow on March 28, 2012

    Steve Brow :Some cops become writers ACU. You have for the purpose of exposing political corruption within police agencies. I am most of the way through former Fullerton PD officer Phil O’Brien’s book on stories of the Fullerton Police Department from 1960 to 1990. It is the first of at least 13 books he has published.
    RI seems to me a person for whom writing is the goal in itself. He would have a lot of contacts and gravitate to an historic issue without needing any other personal reason. His comments would not even need to be his own opinion. His diversions and barbs often seem to be aimed at getting others to comment on tributary issues or just to get annoyed to let their personality come out. This is often done by writers to develop characters for their stories.
    I’ll fall off my chair laughing if I someday pick up a book entitled “Reality Is” and find a character whose similarity to KH “is not representative of any real person and whose similarity is only coincidental”.

    Comments are posting out of order again.

  38. #106 by Shimon Mendel on March 28, 2012

    So, who is being disturbed by the loud music? People sleeping their cars in the parking lot or parking structure, or people at the train station. Where’s the closest residence to this place? Come on, really??

    • #107 by Just Asking on March 28, 2012

      It’s the Soco Walk a few hundred yards to the south, as well as people living in the neighborhood south and west.

      You’re not from Fullerton are you?

      • #108 by A Post-Apocalyptic Wasteland on March 28, 2012

        Plus there are apartments a few hundred feet away in the same block. I think it’s called Fullerton City Lights or something like that.

    • #109 by merijoe on March 28, 2012

      There are tons of nearby residents and even not so nearby that are still disturbed by the afterhours partying/NOISE… and that’s not the point, the point is that there is a LAW that forbids loud noise including music after certain hours that someone is ignoring and allowed to ignore-all the time.

    • #110 by Jane H on March 28, 2012

      Many bars with a music venue have been shut down for that reason. Many years ago I worked over on the Westside in a noisy, popular bar that was located very near a residential area. The neighborhood complained enough to have it’s doors slammed for good.

      It’s just not cool to disturb people’s sleep. That’s why the ordinances are there.

  39. #111 by One for the books on March 28, 2012

    Fire code violations for overcrowding!!

    • #112 by Jane H on March 28, 2012

      That’s also another way to shut them down.

    • #113 by Peaches on March 28, 2012

      Branagan’s and another venue may have been shut down St. Patrick’s Day for that reason – not sure about the veracity, but someone I know was told that by her grandson who works at Branagan’s

      • #114 by Friendly Neighbor on March 29, 2012

        I was at Branagans the day after Patty’s day and was told the same info by the bartender.

  40. #115 by Jane H on March 28, 2012

    You are so-o full of it.

    • #116 by Dun Dun Dunnnnnnn on March 28, 2012

      …maybe you’re Greg Diamond.

      :) ;)

      • #117 by Justice for ALL on March 28, 2012

        Not a chance. RI is an idiot, but he’s not a Marxist.

        • #118 by Jane H on March 28, 2012

          Ha ha

  41. #119 by Tony Knows on March 28, 2012

    I love Omaley

    • #120 by Jane H on March 28, 2012

      “I love Omaley”

      Of course you do, Albey Al.

  42. #121 by BeenAskinAround on March 28, 2012

    This morning, the slime bar was raided by half a dozen, gun toting Board of Equalization investigators. They left with several boxes of documents and a several computers. Has Jeremy Popov be remiss in his revenue sharing with the state?

  43. #122 by BeenAskinAround on March 28, 2012

    This morning, the slime bar was raided by half a dozen, gun toting Board of Equalization investigators. They left with several boxes of documents and a several computers. Has Jeremy Popov be remiss in his revenue sharing with the state?

    • #123 by The Fullerton Shadow on March 28, 2012

      Please, tell us more!

      • #124 by BeenAskinAround on March 28, 2012

        A few employes were there, as was Jeremy. No one was smiling ;-)
        Should be a straight forward investigation in terms of forensic accounting.
        Let’s see… you spent $500,000 wholesale on alcohol with a retail value of $1,500,000. You reported $750,000 in taxable sales, yet the alcohol all seems to be gone. Please show me the missing inventory, or explain where the other $750,000 in missing taxable revenue went. These are rough economic times for California. Not the best time to be stealing from our state.

        • #125 by Jane H on March 28, 2012

          “you spent $500,000 wholesale on alcohol with a retail value of $1,500,000. You reported $750,000 in taxable sales, yet the alcohol all seems to be gone. ”

          One of the oldest bar tricks in the world. So much so, that the pouring costs are the FIRST thing they look at. Busted! Maybe some of the employees, i.e bouncers, are working under the table. That too is typical.

          Most big bars and restaurants are now computerized, even the nozzles with booze.

        • #126 by James Cameron on March 28, 2012

          Could have gone to Ramos and Wolfe, et al.

      • #127 by Anonymous on March 28, 2012

        ooooh the SBOE hates it when you don’t share. I would say they are the worst state agency to hide from/lie to. They will shut you down in a heartbeat.

        ahhh schadenfreude.

        • #128 by Justice for ALL on March 28, 2012

          It seems that there is more than one way to skin a cat.

          • #129 by Justice for ALL on March 28, 2012

            I mean..rat.

  44. #130 by Vernon Dozier on March 28, 2012

    So is the Slidebar shutdown for the moment?

    • #131 by BeenAskinAround on March 28, 2012

      Nope. But the cash registers are down. Apparently, that was one of the computers they took… Yikes!

      • #132 by merijoe on March 28, 2012

        You able to take photos or video (for prosperity)?

  45. #133 by Citizen M on March 28, 2012

    Shimon Mendel :So, who is being disturbed by the loud music? People sleeping their cars in the parking lot or parking structure, or people at the train station. Where’s the closest residence to this place? Come on, really??

    where do you live????? I shall be by to prove to you the noise….would you like to come to my neat loft above an antique store…and listen to the music…not lying, or exaggerating…how bout the guys in the housing right on the other side of the train station..you can hear Slimebar perfect..

    • #134 by Justice for ALL on March 28, 2012

      Citizen M, I know you mean well, but please, do not allow strangers into your home.

  46. #135 by Citizen M on March 28, 2012

    admin :Kevin, I have a sound meter and a decent camera. Would you like to go with me and record the Slibebar one night this week? I’d appreciate your help.
    If so, please send your contact info to: http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/contact/
    Thank You,
    Tony Bushala

    Mr Bushala, may I go too, we just had ths conversation saturday, In Stubriks…I need to also sound meter, the Pint House and Matador…Please let me go..I promise I will use my ninja skills,and if that dont work- I will try the fake seizure, so you may film and record in peace ( sort a)…..

  47. #136 by merijoe on March 28, 2012

    A little while ago, Jane and someone else (forgot who) posted a link to a twitter account and one that had a picture of RI/Patrick -when you went to this link there was a picture of a man in his 40′s with a hair cut that looked like the tail of a Davy Crockett hat, kneeling by a dog in front of a ship with the name PigPen on it.
    Below the picture you saw a creepy smiley face

    The next day, the picture wasn’t available online anymore.

    • #137 by Justice for ALL on March 28, 2012

      Ewww, so glad I missed seeing that! Thanks for taking it down RI.

      • #138 by Jane H on March 28, 2012

        You are such a liar.

    • #139 by Jane H on March 28, 2012

      • #140 by Reality Is on March 28, 2012

        Jane you are costin me beers. I’ve had to buy him about $500 in drinks already just for his name use so far. This pic is gonna cost me $1000 more. Last time I say I’m him again!

      • #149 by merijoe on March 28, 2012

        ewww, I saved this pic in cased the nozzle ideletes-but I think I may have risked getting a virus.

  48. #150 by SherBear on March 28, 2012

    Rumor has it Slidebar was raided this morning with items removed by the agents. Can anyone confirm this and provide details? (This was mentioned elsewhere by someone here)

    • #151 by The OC Brogister on March 28, 2012

      If we were a normal functioning news organization we would be all over this but since we respect the bro code and don’t snitch on our bros, you’re out of luck bro.

      • #152 by merijoe on March 28, 2012

        Tears… The Brogister

  49. #153 by SherBear on March 28, 2012

    Rumor has it Slidebar was raided this morning with items removed by the agents. Can anyone confirm this and provide details?

    • #154 by BeenAskinAround on March 28, 2012

      Not a rumor. Read my post #81

      • #155 by merijoe on March 28, 2012

        Been trying to find news stories, none found, you got any?

    • #156 by SherBear on March 28, 2012

      Nope, Merijoe, I couldn’t find anything, either. Thought I’d check here to see if anyone had info or at least a confirmation.

      • #157 by BeenAskinAround on March 28, 2012

        A BOE raid is hardly newsworthy. Confirmation… I stood there and watched it happen. My company is across from the bus station. What I am reporting is exactly what went down.

        • #158 by SherBear on March 28, 2012

          I missed your initial post on this. What I saw elsewhere was a copy of it. I agree”, it’s not newsworthy on its own. Given the position slidebar put itself in though, I thought perhaps it might have sparked interest.

          • #159 by karma on March 29, 2012

            I disagree, it is newsworthy, if the rumor of the BOE raiding a business is true, this person is suspected of ripping off the state of California. That means he possibly stole from all of us. Add that to the fact it is Slimebar on the heals of a FFFF post here about the same business, and it makes it quite pertinent and newsworthy, relatively speaking.

            and a bit ironic.

        • #160 by BeenAskinAround on March 29, 2012

          Did some research on BOE investigations/raids. They are generally conducted under 1 of 2 forms. A civil citation, or a criminal citation. The difference being that a CHP officer is always present at a criminal citation in case it is necessary to affect an arrest. They are never present at a civil citation because they don’t suspect criminal activity. A CHP officer was present during this raid.

          • #161 by Fullerton Lover on March 29, 2012

            Thanks be to God. My prayers have been answered!

            • #162 by The Fullerton Harpoon on March 29, 2012

              So who got arrested?

              • #163 by BeenAskinAround on March 29, 2012

                No one… yet
                I didn’t say the presence of the CHP always results in an arrest. They are there in case it becomes necessary. Like if the recipient of the criminal citation refuses to honor the search warrant.

  50. #164 by Steve Brow on March 28, 2012

    Justice for ALL :“I’ll fall off my chair laughing if I someday pick up a book entitled “Reality Is” and find a character whose similarity to KH “is not representative of any real person and whose similarity is only coincidental”.
    Did you mean “…similarity to Kelly Thomas…” ? If so, the disclaimer would be needed, since anything RI wrote about Kelly Thomas would certainly contain massive amounts of fiction.

    No, I meant KH. Again, the comments poted out of order, so KH wil have to go up tolearn what I am laughing about.

  51. #165 by Citizen M on March 28, 2012

    Okay, here is the deal- straight from the horses mouth so to speak…
    When yu observe a violation of the sound ordinances, you are to call dispatch, per Capt Crum, and tell them you would like to place a complaint on a noise violation, tell them the establishment, and then the next day call code enforcement, to tell them the very same claim.
    After the meeting I was at tonight- there have only been 9 complaints due to noise in a year…so lets call people..once they have the numbers to fine or deny them a business after the first offence, ect ect. So lets call people, the only way to get something done here, is call and make detailed notes,with specific bars, nightclubs involved.

  52. #166 by Citizen M on March 29, 2012

    Peaches :Branagan’s and another venue may have been shut down St. Patrick’s Day for that reason – not sure about the veracity, but someone I know was told that by her grandson who works at Branagan’s

    they were closed down due to fire marshall, they had to clear the bars,then clean up,wipe every table, clean all the glasses, have the fire marshall, give them the ok, to open back up, so I was told by one of the closed bars employee.

  53. #167 by Citizen M on March 29, 2012

    Justice for ALL :Citizen M, I know you mean well, but please, do not allow strangers into your home.

    I live in the POLICE dept parking lot, literally…could it get any worse?

  54. #168 by Reality Is on March 29, 2012

    You deleted the phone number I put up for him. Booooo.

    :(

    • #169 by Wrong Guy on March 29, 2012

      LOL. :)

  55. #170 by Fullerton Lover on March 29, 2012

    Kevin :
    F.L.– I think I made it fairly evident that I advocate doing something when someone is actually impacted, but not just to go after someone because you can. While I think moving downtown obligates anyone to be more lenient than if they lived in the country, if it is unreasonable then complain by all means. If it is not just surrounded by commercial and industrial uses, then complain.
    Is that clear?

    Crystal clear. Bye the bye, can you shoot me your address so I can show up at your house after 10pm each and every night with a re-creation of what the families downtown have to tolerate each and every night?

    I have a feeling that your indifference to those families that live downtown would melt faster than the amount of time it took Manual Noriega to surrender to U.S. troops after being soundblasted with non-stop speed metal rock.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvTrvzrckxk

    • #171 by Justice for ALL on March 29, 2012

      I saw a lot of donut eaters (FPD?) in the mosh pit; I bet none of them could hear for two days afterwards. You’d have to be insane, drunk, or on drugs to willingly endure that for more than five minutes.

      • #172 by Fullerton Lover on March 29, 2012

        I thought the clip also affords you a nice little view of what goes on inside the Slidebar, and displays for anyone interested what we’re missing out on by not patronizing same.

        • #173 by Justice for ALL on March 29, 2012

          Does FPD do random drug testing? If not, they need to.

    • #174 by Jane H on March 29, 2012

      Stopped after 30 secs. That noise will kill you. Literally.

      • #175 by Fullerton Lover on March 29, 2012

        I lasted a minute and change Lady Jane, until I fast forwarded to the singer’s profanity laden monologue a few minutes in.
        Makes me wonder how the nearby residents cope with the constant onslaught of speed metal riffs and obscene lyrics rattling their windows nightly?

    • #176 by truthseeker on March 29, 2012

      Wow that is one off the chain pathetic venue. I still am totally in awe at how Acacia Elementary school has a banner proudly hanging on the kindergarten playground fence thanking the Slidebar. What some people will do for money never ceases to amaze me.

  56. #177 by Anonymous on March 29, 2012

    Elm Street Resident :I’ve made numerous complaints to the Police over the years. I’ve been woken up probably over a hundred tinmes from a dead sleep at the hours between 11:30 and 1:30 by huge blast by the DJ ‘s. It’s very difficult to force yourself out of bed at those hours and deal with cops. They have even had the audacity to claim that they needed to enter my home to listen from my bedroom to verify. I’ve had enough too. SHUT DOWN SLIMEBAR!

    Per the LT Crum. who is the weekend supervisor, he stated that only 9 calls in 2 years have been reported, you are to call dispatch and make a complaint then you are to call code enforement MR Zelinka and make him aware of the situtation..just sayin

  57. #178 by Cody on March 31, 2012

    Enough with the old 909 bro joke. Everyone also wears Ed Hardy right?

  58. #179 by Cody on March 31, 2012

    When I go to the slidebro bar or the slime bar or whatever equally hilarious name you baby boomers call it, most of the people I meet live in Fullerton. Granted after the bar closes we slaughter chickens and shoot up heroin.

    It’s a popular, sometimes fun bar. I’m 27, lived in Fullerton for two years, I frequent downtown often at night. I’ve never seen a fight at Slidebar, or anywhere for that matter. You have a vendetta, get over it.

    • #180 by merijoe on March 31, 2012

      A vendetta? loud ass music is loud ass music-and loud ass, booming music at midnight is not an imaginary dream- Were you brought up in a barn sonny?

  59. #181 by No One on March 31, 2012

    I wounder if Bruce Whitaker will speak up at city council about this. I mean this is the place where he had his victory party, where he was top vote getting may I include, on election night of 2010.

    Bruce, do the right thing. We know you read, or at least it will get back to you.

  60. #182 by Jane H on April 12, 2012

    O.C. among worst for alcohol-fueled crashes
    Published: April 11, 2012 Updated: 10:07 p.m.

    Ten Orange County cities have some of the highest rates in California of crashes that involved alcohol or underage drinkers, state numbers show.

    “A college town might have a higher number of underage drinkers.

    That’s what Fullerton pointed to as a big explanation for its high rate of underage-drinker crashes. The city has around 60,000 college students attending six recognized schools, Fullerton police Sgt. Jeff Stuart said. It also has about 50 bars and restaurants licensed to serve alcohol in its downtown core. The city hopes to get state grant money to target underage drinkers, Stuart said.”

    What’s wrong with this picture?

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