Fullerton Police Beating Complaint “Sustained” by Internal Investigation; Officer Named.


Wow! Remember this story we posted way back on June 14th? It’s about a guy who claimed to have gotten physically assaulted by the FPD, who he says robbed him, and threw him in jail. Back in June this guy’s story was assaulted also, likely by the same goons who beat him up. Officer Cary Tong was identified as the culprit in the case, and, perhaps we should start including his name on the FPD Hall of Shame roster.

In light of all the horror stories that have emerged from the FPD dungeons since we posted this story, it seems more credible than ever. I wonder if all the trolls who tried the hair-splitting approach to discredit him are having second thoughts.

And I wonder if this guy has had the good sense to contact Garo Mardirossian.

- Joe Sipowicz

When we posted a college student’s allegations of police brutality last week, several commenters responded by calling the victim a liar and saying that the claim could not possibly be true.

Well, here is the truth according to FPD’s own Internal Affairs department: the complaint containing allegations of brutality and theft was “sustained” against FPD Officer Cary Tong.

Read the findings (pdf)

The letter from Chief Michael Sellers calls officer Tong’s actions “inappropriate and not within policy,” and states unequivocally that “a finding of sustained means that the evidence indicates that the complaint was well founded.

Officer Cary Tong was listed as both the arresting and booking officer that night, putting him at the center of the entire event described by the victim in the complaint. That complaint included a long list of violent actions against the young man while he was handcuffed, including the deliberate breaking of his finger, theft of his personal cash and several beatings both at the arrest scene and during his booking at the jail.

The opaque and severely limited disclosures made in this non-public letter are a direct testament the police union’s lobbying power, which has fostered laws and an internal culture that encourages police departments to protect bad officers and keep their abuses secret from the public. In this case, we still don’t know if the officer was punished with a light slap on the wrist or even disciplined at all.

In all likelihood, Officer Tong is still patrolling the streets of Fullerton. Shoot, he might even pull you over tonight.

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  1. #1 by Julian Tosh on June 14, 2011

  2. #2 by Rat's Ass on June 14, 2011

    No wonder the trolls are all over this blog lately.

  3. #3 by TheFullertonWatcher on June 14, 2011

    Greatest response ever!!!

  4. #4 by Jan Flory's Dog on June 14, 2011

    Not within policy to assault and abuse handcuffed citizens? Sweet Jebus that’s good to know. I wonder what Mr. Tong would do to a dog.

  5. #5 by Joe Sipowicz on June 14, 2011

    It would appear that Tong perpetrated felonies. That’s not “disciplinary” bullshit. That’s assault and battery; state prison time.

  6. #6 by Fred Alcazar on June 14, 2011

    I wonder how much this is going to cost the taxpayers.

  7. #7 by Anonymous on June 14, 2011

    Assault under the color of authority…

  8. #8 by Scrambling on June 14, 2011

    *trying to choke down a huge bite of apple fritter* “What do we do now Sarge?”

  9. #9 by Anonymous on June 14, 2011

    I fear everyday of going to Fullerton due to their PD attitude, which they are notorious for being arrogant and show no regard for basic human rights.

    When will the three Grandpas on the Fullerton City Council raise their voices and canes to clamp down on this problem?

  10. #10 by The buck stops here on June 14, 2011

    I noticed that the pussy Chief wouldn’t even sign his own letter himself. I guess that’s the “hands-off” approach to management.

  11. #11 by PJ on June 14, 2011

    Too bad, all around.

    Does FPD target certain neighborhoods for traffic citations? I saw one squad car parked and he swooped out several times to nab drivers for something. Two of my neighbors were stopped and cited recently too. We’re pretty law abiding here and always pay our tickets…so what’s up? Meanwhile, Acacia is full of gang graffiti again. I never see police there.

  12. #12 by Johnny Donut on June 14, 2011

    Obviously $130,000 per year plus a 90% pension at age 50 isn’t enough to buy good cops. We need to pay them more so they stop beating us.

  13. #13 by nipsey on June 14, 2011

    Fighting crime is hard, much easier to pull over soccer moms in between sexting and munching donuts.

  14. #14 by Fred L. Olmsted on June 14, 2011

    Shameful.

  15. #15 by Disillusioned Ex-hippy on June 14, 2011

    So what is the council going to do about this?

    Any help, 4SD Observer? Give the guy a raise because he’s such a “winner?”

  16. #16 by Rain Rain Go Away on June 14, 2011

    Rain, do you believe any of the story now?

  17. #17 by compton on June 14, 2011

    fuck the police

  18. #18 by All Hands on Deck on June 14, 2011

    What happened to all of the FPD blog trolls? Important meeting today at work?

  19. #19 by Fullertonian on June 14, 2011

    This is Hilarious. Multiple Officers were found cleared of the incident, but one. The letter from the Chief doesn’t say what was founded. For all we know it could have been he cussed at the suspect. . Don’t you think since it happened in 2010 something would have happened with the department or officer?? Come on. This is completely stupid.,

    Travis how about you do some research instead of just giving us tidbits. None of this story makes any sense from the police department to this guy claiming this brutality. Were charges filled on this guy? Was he convicted? What kind of discipline did this officer get?

    Im embarrassed to even read this website anymore.

  20. #20 by havegunwilltravel on June 14, 2011

    Remember Shawn Nelson’s pal Officer John Cross, the POA President? He was fired for much the same thing. It just takes a while…..Thanks to the unions, and the Legislature passing the Police Officer’s Bill of Rights it is very difficult to take out even a rouge cop. The firefighter’s have the same protections as well…..I am Hero, I deserve.

  21. #21 by Tuna Truck on June 14, 2011

    I’m still not convinced the story happened as described.

    I find it strange that just 3 weeks ago a new blog was created that slams Officer Cary Tong for relationship problems in his personal life. Two weeks later FFFF posts this story implicating Tong for misconduct at work.

    Revenge organized by Tong’s lover, perhaps?

    http://carytong.blogspot.com

  22. #22 by admin on June 14, 2011

    Fullertonian, please do yourself a favor and stop coming here if you really feel that way.

  23. #23 by Victim on June 14, 2011

    I am the victim of the beating alleged in the prior post. I can certainly see why there are some of you who are skeptical about my accusations, and I’m fine with that. Most of those people who responded to the initial skepticism about why there hasn’t been a lawsuit filed yet hit the nail right on the head: These things take time.

    To answer some of the questions from the naysayers:

    - I don’t know for a FACT that it was 49F in my cell that night. I was just going off the thermometer on the Fullerton Community Bank off Commonwealth and Malden. I passed that bank in my taxi when I was released and it said 49F. There are NO heaters inside the holding cells, and there are small vents in the top of those cells that allow cold (or warm) air to filter in and out of the individual cells.

    - The reason I knew how much money was on me is simple: I do not believe in using debit/credit cards at restaurants and bars because I have had bad experiences with fraud in the past, so I only bring cash out with me when I go out. I had just been paid, and had all of my disposable income for the pay period on my person that night. I had dinner at Heroes, which cost me around $45 (I paid for my friend and my GF), and then I spent around $30 on a round of Guinness for the party I was with. I had receipts for both purchases.

    - I mentioned that I hadn’t even had the opportunity to enjoy a drink. This is true. Before I could have two sips of my first Guinness, I found myself being accosted by a throng of Asian and Hispanic gang members. They knocked my drink out of my hands, as well as smashed a handful of onion rings in my face just moments after I ordered my round.

    - As far as charges go, I was NOT charged with Resisting Arrest, Public Intoxication, Assault on a Police Officer, or any other crime that would indicate I was being hostile or uncooperative.

    I hope that clears some things up for you guys.

  24. #24 by Travis on June 14, 2011

    Another brilliant conspiracy theory… except the complaint was filed well over a year ago.

  25. #25 by Stanislav Star on June 14, 2011

    You couldn’t see such letter written by the Santa Ana Police Chief Paul Walters.

    Newer!

    Here in Santa Ana SAPD13 shoots them in the back and mothers in front of their children execution stile.

    There is no letter needed.

    Of course, we do not have great blog like FFFF in Santa Ana. The best we have is Pedroza’s NEWSANTAANA.COM payed for by the Mayor Pulido and Chief Walters as new city manager.

    So it is all cover up.

    And the infamous ORANGEJUICEBLOG.COM was hijacked by communists GILBERT and NELSON who are bitching in their articles about silly subjects like high cost of Burgers.

    So kudos to you FFFF

  26. #26 by Tuna Truck on June 14, 2011

    I think you misunderstood…

    Not talking about when the complaint was filed, I was talking about when (and how) you found out about it. Could you clear that up?

  27. #27 by admin on June 14, 2011

    What difference does that make. Is the story true?

  28. #28 by Tuna Truck on June 14, 2011

    Thanks for responding. Your reply clears up a few things and makes you at least somewhat more believable. I hope you understand why I questioned the things I did.

    Here are the problems I still have with your story:
    1. What did they charge you with?
    2. Were you convicted of those charges?
    3. Why didn’t you explicitly say what happened during the altercation? Did you initiate the fight or do something to escalate the situation? Your original post conveniently left that out.

  29. #29 by Tuna Truck on June 14, 2011

    Tong apparently has a pissed off ex-lover. I think it’s possible the ex-lover knew the identity of the victim and is now on a smear campaign because the relationship fell apart.

    Did the victim contact FFFF on his own, or was he prodded by the ex-lover (no pun intended)?

    I just find the timing of the new blog and the story here a bit strange.

  30. #30 by admin on June 14, 2011

    Tuna Truck :

    Tong apparently has a pissed off ex-lover. I think it’s possible the ex-lover knew the identity of the victim and is now on a smear campaign because the relationship fell apart.

    Did the victim contact FFFF on his own, or was he prodded by the ex-lover (no pun intended)?

    I just find the timing of the new blog and the story here a bit strange.

    Tong has a pissed off lover. And what is the connection with the kid’s broken finger. Just askin.’

  31. #31 by The Fullerton Savage on June 14, 2011

    FYI

    The thermometer at FCB is always ten degrees too low. I don’t know why, but it is,’just for the record.

  32. #32 by Anonymous on June 14, 2011

    Cary Tong, Hmmmm…

    Wow, some Goolgle-fu brought this up…

    http://carytong.blogspot.com/

    http://www.ratemycop.com//index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=77943

    It seems he is kind to dispatchers, not fiancées…

  33. #33 by Tuna Truck on June 14, 2011

    I know it’s a stretch but if Tong’s lover is pushing the victim to smear Tong publicly, there’s plenty of room for exaggeration in the story. That doesn’t discount what was divulged in the FPD letter (posted above).

    It’s one thing to share the story with FFFF for the public good, but entirely different if you’re doing it for the personal gratification and benefit of a person not involved with the incident.

    Look at it this way Tony, a business partner has a dispute with your company and goes public. Meanwhile, somebody totally irrelevant (say, Roland Chi, the Food poisoner) pressures your business partner to ruin your business and reputation. In such a scenario, would you expect the truth to come out, or a bunch of half-truths and exaggerations?

    The FPD letter proves the victim’s story is at least partially true. But I hope he fills in the gaps so we know the full story.

  34. #34 by Tuna Truck on June 14, 2011

    You reminded me of another question that I hope the Victim will answer.

    1. What has the City of Fullerton done about his broken finger and other injuries?

  35. #35 by James McIntyre on June 14, 2011

    …or detainees!

  36. #36 by James McIntyre on June 14, 2011

    I can answer that. $$$.

  37. #37 by James McIntyre on June 14, 2011

    No. The motive of the source is NOT relevant. The issue is whether the purported facts are true!

  38. #38 by Ann Messersmith on June 14, 2011

    Looks like that officer committed some type of policy violation. Somewhere between name calling and finger breaking. The “victim” accused 6 officers of misconduct, one was found to be out of policy. The accusations of the other 5 were unfounded (did not happen). I do happen to know that the “victim” in this incident was convicted by a jury in North Court for his role. This detail was not of interest to you or your readers?

  39. #39 by Anonymous on June 14, 2011

    Why would that interest us at all?

  40. #40 by Travis on June 14, 2011

    OK Tuna, I admire your skepticism, but you’ve got quite an elaborate conspiracy theory going here. My conversations with the victim started many months ago at my own initiation.

  41. #41 by admin too on June 14, 2011

    QED

  42. #42 by Tuna Truck on June 14, 2011

    In that case, disregard what I said.

  43. #43 by Ann Messersmith on June 14, 2011

    Well Mr. Anonymous It appears that the Jury was able to seek the truth and pass judgment against the “victim”. I could only speculate that the reason no civil suit has been filed against the cops and the city is that this incident has no jury appeal and the “victim” can’t find a attorney willing to take this case after knowing all the facts.

  44. #44 by Royal Flush on June 14, 2011

    Oh, looks like I got to the dance late…..This was the Royal Flush?

    Well back to the salt mine.

    Disappointment:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UxRG-3N8uU

  45. #45 by Anonymous on June 15, 2011

    Only facts that Travis posts here are relevant. If you’ve got something, give it to Travis. He’ll decide whether it’s relevant or not. I suspect you are just making all of this up and are a police troll.

  46. #46 by Little Richard on June 15, 2011

    One time, I woke up after partying in Fullerton and discovered that cops had pissed my pants and vomited on me. There was a little poop too.. but I can’t figure out how they got that in my pants.

  47. #47 by Anonymous on June 15, 2011

    FFFF…………………………..Credibility =0

  48. #48 by Joe Sipowicz on June 15, 2011

    Mr. Victim, somebody calling him/herself Ann Messersmith says you were convicted by a jury in North Court for “your role” in this “incident.”

    That means that the DA filed charges against you for some thing you did on the night in question.

    Please explain.

  49. #49 by Victim on June 15, 2011

    Tuna, to answer your questions:

    1.) I was charged with basic misdemeanor assault. Officers alleged that I “headbutted” the lead gang member of the crew that was harassing me. Video of the incident can be found here: http://youtu.be/u0yX_1O3sRY

    2. A jury did, in fact, convict me. I’m not going to make excuses or place blame for how they reached their decision; it’s over and there’s nothing I can do about it. I can tell you, however, that my sentence fit the “crime”: Twenty-four hours of community service, and weekly court-imposed meetings with a therapist. Hard time indeed.

    3. I didn’t explicitly mention what happened between myself and those gang members that evening because my attorney advised me not to make public any details of the alleged “altercation.”

    I can tell you that I did not initiate the fight, though. I was attempting to carry four large pints of Guinness from a crowded bar inside of Heroes to the table my party was sitting at. One of these gang member’s girlfriends bumped into me and spilled one of the beers – some of which landed on her leg and shoe. This caused her boyfriend accost me, spill my beer completely, and to start throwing onion rings at my group, as well as smashing some of these fried treats in my face.

    They were all kicked out of the bar by a bouncer a short time later for their role in this altercation.

    Twenty minutes after the infamous onion ring incident, I was outside having a cigarette where I was surrounded by this pack of hoodlums, who had threatended to stab me, jump me, etc. The head gang-member put his forehead against mine and told me I was a “faggot” and was about to get my “bitch ass” beat. I then pushed him off me, and was in handcuffs being beaten mercilously by FPD a short time later. I do not know his fate for his role in this “assault.”

    As far as a lawsuit goes – I cannot comment on that right now, but I will say this: Money means nothing to me. I don’t care if I never see a dime of Fullerton’s money. As long as these animals are off the streets, and what happened to me is never repeated, I will be content.

  50. #50 by Anonymous on June 15, 2011

    You people in Fullerton are so damn funny. site puts up a provocative post with blatant holes in it to piss everyone off.. They then accuse anonymous posters of being police trolls. Then conveniently more facts come out.. little by little.. All planned and orchestrated. I admit facts are still missing.. but you are all dumb asses. Fullerton has a bunch of idiots on both sides making pure comedy for the rest of us. Keep it up!

  51. #51 by Anonymous on June 15, 2011

    Why not try the truth here travis? you know and most likely knew that A.C. was convicted by a jury for his role in this incident but you decided not to post that information. He has consistently lied in his account of what happened and follow-up posts. Why not post his court case number and name like you did to the officers who have to deal with asshole drunk pampered momma’s boys every night downtown who can’t handle their alcohol.. by the way you do know that that letter from the PD doesn’t say what the officer was in violation of. It may be something minor to the whole BS allegation. I don’t know and neither do you but it makes no difference to you.
    You/Tony and Chris must be proud of your followers like Julian Tosh who advocates violence towards the police by “rock throwing citizens” way to go with partial truths to work the idiots up.
    Partial truths to fit the needs of you is all that matters. Stick to something like brick veneer ZERO CREDIBILITY.

  52. #52 by Anonymous on June 15, 2011

    Partial truths or lies. Post your court case number so everyone can see that your were convicted by a jury for a act of violence. Don’t go public with 1/10th of the truth knowing you are lying and putting out partial truths. To me it sounds like you were a drunk dickhead who got arrested downtown after you thought you could take on the world. ATC

  53. #53 by Johnny "LT" Payback on June 15, 2011

    Victim, I believe you 100%, and thank you for your courage to enlighten us about this nightmare that you went through. And to think it was all because of a little brew spilled on probably some pretty-little dumb-ass bitches shoe.

    BTW I love the head butt video, that was freaking hilarious!

  54. #54 by Victim on June 15, 2011

    I’m not understanding some of the allegations being levied here. I have not lied about a single detail about that night’s events.

    I have answered all questions associated with what took place that evening in complete transparency.

    And as previously stated, I was not drunk that evening, nor was I combative or resistant. If you take a look at the police report, it does not mention anywhere that I was under the influence of drugs or alcohol, nor was I in any way resisting the officers who beat me.

    I suppose that baseless ad-hominem attacks speak for themselves though. The apologists of the officers who beat me that evening are clearly frustrated with what took place.

    The only facts that should matter are these: I was not charged with public intoxication, resisting arrest, or assault on a police officer. Yet, I was beaten severely over the course of eight hours by the police whose custody I was in. Explain that. Justify that.

  55. #55 by Curious on June 15, 2011

    Anonymous :
    You people…. ….

    Anonymous, I suggest that you GO BACK to where you came from and stay there.

  56. #56 by Everyone's a victim on June 15, 2011

    Let me try. i think you are full of BS. There are a whole bunch of details you decided to not disclose or lied about. Here are a few that jump out at me.
    1.You went to trial for an assault and battery and were found guilty by a jury of your peers.
    2. You head butted the leader of the gang members. I don’t know if he was a gang member or not but he must have wanted to prosecute you and assisted with the DA. You claim you weren’t combative but I would say head butting anyone is being combative.
    3. You weren’t told why you were arrested. Did you forget you head butted a gang leader. If you did I’m sure your booking slip or release papers had that information
    4. The mean police didn’t let me use a phone but allowed other inmates to use their cell phones. Bullshit. Each cell has a phone and there is no way the inmates get to use their cells.
    5. You skip over details about the assault you committed but have a great recollection of what you said to the police. I find that odd. Hey did they play any of the recordings from you 8 hour beating in the jail. You do know the officers have recorders and the jail is recorded.
    6. I’ve been to DTF on St patricks day and if you’re there after 10Pm good luck finding a table but give me a break when you say you hadn’t been drinking. My assumption here.
    7. You say they didn’t charge you with being drunk so you that means we believe you and say you didn’t drink. Do you normally head but leaders of gangs?
    You sound like a big wuss. Put the court case number out there for all to see . You have no problem hiding behind the “Victim” label but you were the one convicted of a violent act by a jury of your peers.

    Oh I forget 49 degrees

  57. #57 by Tuna Truck on June 15, 2011

    I was beginning to believe your story until you admitted being charged and convicted of misdemeanor assault, and then being okay with the punishment and outcome. Uh huh.

    Bottom line, it wasn’t self-defense. You were part of the problem during the fight.

  58. #58 by Fred Alcazar on June 15, 2011

    I’m having trouble understanding the relevance of the conviction. The issue is whether or not the cop physically abused the arrestee.

    Was the “victim” resisting arrest or not? If so, were his injuries deliberately inflicted or not? In what way was the behavior of Tong counter to “policy”?

  59. #59 by Victim on June 15, 2011

    Allow me to try and answer some of your concerns…

    1.You went to trial for an assault and battery and were found guilty by a jury of your peers.

    - This is correct. I made physical contact with a gang member who had pressed his forehead against mine and I did not back down from him. I do not dispute this. I stood my ground in anticipation for the police to intervene. They did not. And when this gang member made a threatening gesture towards me, I pushed him off in a manner similar to the soccer video I posted in an earlier response.

    Am I happy with the outcome? Of course not. Do I believe I was in the wrong? Absolutely not. The judge had instructed the jury to base their decision regarding my guilt or innocence on the following: Do NOT consider whether or not the defendent acted reasonably in standing his ground and making brief contact with the person provoking him; simply determine whether or not the force the defendent used under self-defense was “reasonable” or “excessive.”

    The jury, unfortunately, found me guilty under the following logic – “Although we find the defedent’s use of force within reason, we believe the defendent should NOT have stood his ground against a group of thugs – and rather should have fled the the situation, or called out to the police for help. Taking matters into his own hands was not appropriate, and thus we find him guilty.”

    The judge was not pleased that after having re-read the jury instructions three separate times to clear up any confusion, now had a conviction on his hands in which the jury convicted me using arguments that he had instructed them NOT to consider.

    Because of this, I was given 24 hours of community service as a sentence. Had I violently attacked this thug, injured him, used excessive force, or done anything heinous – I would be in jail right now. Twenty-four hours of community service is about a light a sentence as possible – and like I said – the punishment fits the “crime.”

    2. You head butted the leader of the gang members. I don’t know if he was a gang member or not but he must have wanted to prosecute you and assisted with the DA. You claim you weren’t combative but I would say head butting anyone is being combative.

    - Again, watch the video I posted. I made the slightest of contact with this thug. Also, he did not press charges on me, the “People of California” did (only after I had threatend them with a lawsuit.) And YES, I am saying my trial was completely retalitory in nature. Lesson learned though. Don’t try to take on the cops. You will LOSE. Furthermore, the trial had to be postponed several times because the alleged “victim” was unavailable to testify because either he was in prison, or because he was covered in wounds from another physical altercation, and did not want to come off as a ruffian or pugilist to the jury.

    3. You weren’t told why you were arrested. Did you forget you head butted a gang leader. If you did I’m sure your booking slip or release papers had that information.

    - Yes, I was finally told why I was arrested at 6am – a full eight hours after being taken into custody.

    4. The mean police didn’t let me use a phone but allowed other inmates to use their cell phones. Bullshit. Each cell has a phone and there is no way the inmates get to use their cells.

    - You’ve clearly never been held in a cell at Fullerton PD. The cells are completely concrete, with no benches, beds or chairs. The only thing in the room is a steel toilet/sink contraption in the corner. There are certainly no phones inside the actual cells. There are, however, phones available in the booking area of the department.

    5. You skip over details about the assault you committed but have a great recollection of what you said to the police. I find that odd. Hey did they play any of the recordings from you 8 hour beating in the jail. You do know the officers have recorders and the jail is recorded.

    - I am not aware of any details I’ve skipped over. I wrote my first-hand account of what happened back in April of 2010. I ommitted what happened during the altercation at my attorney’s advise. Now that the situation is over, I have no problem talking openly about what happened. Also, yes I am aware that everything was recorded. It was played at my trial, and according to the jury (who was interviewed by both my attorney and the D.A. after the conviction) – the recordings “completely damaged any and all credibility” of the two officers that testified. The jury said that the only credible witness who testified was the bouncer at Heroes who threw out the gangmembers for assaulting me with appetizers earlier in the night.

    6. I’ve been to DTF on St patricks day and if you’re there after 10Pm good luck finding a table but give me a break when you say you hadn’t been drinking. My assumption here.

    - Re-read what I’ve written. I was there eating dinner prior to 10pm. I didn’t begin the “celebration” until about that time. I was drinking water with dinner, and ordered my first Guinness (which I only had two sips of, unfortunately) shortly after 10pm. I was not drunk. Do I wish I was drunk? HELL YES. Sadly, though, I was not. And every punch, kick and jab was excrutiatingly painful.

    7. You say they didn’t charge you with being drunk so you that means we believe you and say you didn’t drink. Do you normally head but leaders of gangs?

    - Frankly, it doesn’t matter if you believe me or not. I wasn’t drinking. I really, truly, wish I had been though. That way, the beating would have been a lot less painful. And to answer your absurd question – no – I do not habitually headbutt gang members for leisure. This was an isolated situation in which I was assaulted inside of a bar, then surrounded and had my life threatened outside the bar. The police took no action while I was being surrounded, taunted and threatened, and when that thug put his forehead against mine and threatened to kill me, I pushed off with my own forehead. Now, is that what I consider a conventional “headbutt”? No. But in the eyes of the law it was, and now I have to pay the price (twenty-four harrowing hours of community service at the charity of my choice.)

    Hope this clears things up!

  60. #60 by Johnny Donut on June 15, 2011

    The investigators seem to disagree with you. Didn’t it say they upheld the complaint?

  61. #61 by Johnny Donut on June 15, 2011

    I guess Fullerton cops think it’s ok to abuse you as long as they’re sure they can nail you with 24 hours of community service.

  62. #62 by Victim on June 15, 2011

    In my opinion, my conviction is completely irrelevent to the abuse that took place that evening.

    After making minor phsyical contact with this gang member, I stepped back and put my hands in the air as an athlete would after an on-filed altercation as to signal “I don’t want anymore part in this!”

    At that point, I was tackled, beaten, stomped and punched while a half-dozen officers cuffed me. I would have willingly turned around and put my hands behind my back, if I were instructed to, but instead the blood-thirsy officers of Fullerton PD (who had no doubt been waiting for their first arrest of the night) pulled out all the stops in making my arrest as brutal and as painful as possible.

    No, I was not resisting. No I was not being combative. No I was not drunk, belligerent, violent or physical at all with the officers. They beat me silly like a ragdoll without explanation, and when I screamed for them to stop – and demanded to know why the gang member who had started the altercation was not being treated as poorly I was – it just invited a harsher beating.

    I had ZERO injuries prior to being put into the custody of FPD. After I was released, I had several broken bones, cuts, bruises, contusions, scratches, scrapes and a variety of other injuries literally covering my entire body.

    When I visited the health clinic at Cal State Fullerton the next day, the physician who treated me was APPALLED by my injuries, and immediately instructed me to contact an attorney and file a formal complaint with the department – which I promptly did.

    The charges – and subsequent conviction – came way later, and I am thoroughly convinced it was completely in retaliation for the complaint I filed. In fact, I was advised by several attorneys that there likely would not have been any charges filed, and I would have been released without incident the next morning had I not threatened to follow through with a complaint and lawsuit against the department.

    As I mentioned previously: Lesson learned. If the police beat you, and you attempt to hold them accountable – they will make the experience as painful and difficult as possible.

  63. #63 by Gonzo, Esq. on June 15, 2011

    Anon, you sure smell like bacon to me. It takes a special kind of donut-muncher to stick up for the abusive pigs who seem to think they’re above the law. There’s no excuse for Ofc. Tong’s behavior, but you and the rest of the union goons and piggy trolls just can’t help but blame the victim, change the subject and confuse the issues.

    Now go write some parking tickets or something.

  64. #64 by Tuna Truck on June 15, 2011

    Not talking about the police incident. The original altercation.

  65. #65 by Tuna Truck on June 15, 2011

    > The charges – and subsequent conviction –
    > came way later, and I am thoroughly convinced
    > it was completely in retaliation for the complaint
    > I filed.

    Then why were you held at the Fullerton Jail until 6:00am?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    > The jury said that the only credible witness
    > who testified was the bouncer at Heroes who
    > threw out the gangmembers for assaulting me
    > with appetizers earlier in the night.

    You said your girlfriend and a friend came with you to Heroes. Did they testify on your behalf, yes or no?

    If no, why not?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    > Now that the situation is over, I have no
    > problem talking openly about what happened.
    > Also, yes I am aware that everything was recorded.

    Well then…if it’s all over, I guess that means you’re not suing them for your injuries, or their misconduct. That’s absurd if the story is true.

    Second, if the judge or jury screwed up, you would have an excellent chance of winning an appeal on your conviction. Did you appeal, yes or no?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    > I was there eating dinner prior to 10pm. I didn’t
    > begin the “celebration” until about that time. I was
    > drinking water with dinner, and ordered my first
    > Guinness (which I only had two sips of,
    > unfortunately) shortly after 10pm. I was not drunk.

    More and more inconsistencies. Two sips of Guinness? Earlier in this thread, you said it was BEFORE you had any beer:

    > I mentioned that I hadn’t even had the opportunity
    > to enjoy a drink. This is true. Before I could have
    > two sips of my first Guinness, I found myself being
    > accosted by a throng of Asian and Hispanic gang
    > members.

    Makes no sense at all. You repeatedly admit to purchasing alcohol but say you weren’t drinking and you weren’t drunk.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    > I was there eating dinner prior to 10pm. I didn’t
    > begin the “celebration” until about that time. I was
    > drinking water with dinner, and ordered my first
    > Guinness (which I only had two sips of,
    > unfortunately) shortly after 10pm. I was not drunk.

    OK, you ordered your first beer shortly AFTER 10:00pm.

    > I was attempting to carry four large pints of
    > Guinness from a crowded bar inside of Heroes
    > to the table my party was sitting at. One of these
    > gang member’s girlfriends bumped into me and
    > spilled one of the beers – some of which landed
    > on her leg and shoe. This caused her boyfriend
    > accost me, spill my beer completely, and to start
    > throwing onion rings at my group, as well as
    > smashing some of these fried treats in my face.

    You spilled some beer and then 20 minutes later:

    > Twenty minutes after the infamous onion ring
    > incident, I was outside having a cigarette where I
    > was surrounded by this pack of hoodlums, who
    > had threatended to stab me, jump me, etc.

    How does that work when you claim to be outside at approximately 10:10pm smoking a cigarette if 20 MINUTES had elapsed? You said you ordered your first beer “shortly after 10pm”.

    That would mean you ordered the beer well BEFORE 10:00pm, not AFTER.

    From your original story:

    > On the night of March 17th, 2010 at approximately
    > 10:10 pm, I was smoking a cigarette outside
    > Heroes Pub in Fullerton, CA. I was approached by
    > some individuals who identified themselves as gang
    > members

    Besides, if 20 minutes had elapsed since the first incident, you could have called the police during that time.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    > I had ZERO injuries prior to being put into the
    > custody of FPD. After I was released, I had several
    > broken bones

    Several broken bones?

    > At this point, an officer picked me up by the
    > cuffs and started to crack my fingers. I screamed
    > in agony “Ouch! Stop! You’re breaking my finger!!”,
    > at which point the officer asked which finger. I
    > instructed the officer it was my left pinky which
    > was in pain, and then the officer proceeded to
    > twist the finger until it broke …
    >
    > At another point, I was asked if my right hand
    > was ok, I replied with “Yes.” Then an officer said
    > “not anymore” and attempted to twist my thumb
    > until it broke, and then my right wrist until it broke.
    > He was unsuccessful.

    According to you, the cop broke just one of your fingers.

    How does that equate to “several” broken bones?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Seriously, how do you expect us to believe your story when you can’t even be consistent?

  66. #66 by Victim on June 15, 2011

    You’re just splitting hairs here and focusing too much on unrelated minutiae.

    I doubt anyone with a truly vested interested in what happened that evening cares about the temperature outside that evening, how many sips of stout I did or didn’t have, and why the FPD released me at 6am…

    Frankly, it’s off-topic, distracting and irrelevent. I don’t want to waste anymore blog space in a flame war. If anyone has an material questions for me, I will be happy to answer them – if not, then please don’t waste your time or mine with anymore inane inquiries.

  67. #67 by Fred Alcazar on June 15, 2011

    The real question is what did the police chief mean when he said Tong’s actions did not comply with policy. In what way? Is that cop euphemism for “yeah but we protect our own. Go screw yourself.”

    As an aside, the most bothersome thing about this story is the possibility of the cops and the DA conspiring to prosecute someone to cover up cop misbehavin’.

  68. #68 by Tuna Truck on June 15, 2011

    You confirmed what I suspected all along — your story is at least partially bullshit and you know it. Asking about the injuries you claim you suffered from the police is TOTALLY relevant here.

    It’s NOT possible to break “several” bones in one finger. Why? Because there’s only 3 bones in that finger, the distal phalanx, middle phalanx, and the proximal phalanx.

    You claim they broke your pinky but were unsuccessful in breaking the others.

  69. #69 by Tuna Truck on June 15, 2011

    I agree with your first point.

    As to the cops and the DA conspiring, the victim has way too many inconsistencies in his story. Especially the part about “several” broken bones, after first claiming it was his pinky finger only.

  70. #70 by Spock on June 15, 2011

    Tuna Truck :
    It’s NOT possible to break “several” bones in one finger. Why? Because there’s only 3 bones in that finger, the distal phalanx, middle phalanx, and the proximal phalanx.

    You are being highly illogical. Several = two or more. Three is more than two.

    Also, I agree with Victim. Most of this is irrelevant. I would love to know why the cops upheld the complaint.

  71. #71 by just a guy on June 15, 2011

    I wasn’t around in 2005. Did people make all of these excuses for noted bad cop John Cross too?

    I believe Cross got away with the beating of a suspect in custody with only a two year suspension in pay (but then the chief cut it to one year.) Later he was fired because he couldn’t resist abusing his power.

    Some people just can’t fathom that bad cops exist in Fullerton. Look at the document above, certified by the Chief… you’re naive if you’re waiting for more proof.

  72. #72 by Tuna Truck on June 15, 2011

    I don’t know anybody who uses “several” to describe two or more. I was always taught: couple < few I instructed the officer it was my left pinky which
    > was in pain, and then the officer proceeded to
    > twist the finger until it broke (again, my
    > physician will provide x-rays and his report
    > upon request.
    )

    So let’s see it.

  73. #73 by Tuna Truck on June 15, 2011

    My comment didn’t format properly. Sorry. Let me repost it.

    I don’t know anybody who uses “several” to describe two or more. I was always taught: a couple is less than a few, which is less than several.

    Don’t you think a guy obsessed with detailed specifics would know precisely how many bones were broken? He’s the same person who asserts he had $174.56 in cash, it was 49° in the jail cell, he was outside smoking at 10:10pm, he had (or didn’t have) “two sips” of his Guinness beer, twenty minutes had elapsed in between, etc, etc, etc.

    Doesn’t really matter though. He volunteered to share X-rays and his doctor’s report:

    > I instructed the officer it was my left pinky which
    > was in pain, and then the officer proceeded to
    > twist the finger until it broke (again, my
    > physician will provide x-rays and his report
    > upon request.
    )

    So let’s see it.

  74. #74 by Gonzo, Esq. on June 15, 2011

    Amen, brother.

    Some ignorant piggy trolls simply refuse to accept that we’ve got some dangerously bad apples running around this town carrying guns and badges.

    Not all cops are sadistic, abusive criminals…but some are. I think we found one.

  75. #75 by Tuna Truck on June 15, 2011

    just a guy:

    I know bad cops exist in Fullerton. I’ve seen them in action and would be the first to condemn their behavior.

    My problem with this guy is the holes in his story. He contradicts himself numerous times and is purposefully evasive about certain details.

    I guess I don’t understand your position. Are you buying his story about the police brutality even though his description about the gang altercation and subsequent conviction are chocked full of problems, some so bad he now refuses to clear them up?

  76. #76 by just a guy on June 15, 2011

    Chocked full of problems? Refuses to clear them up? The kid is responding to your nitpicky questions pretty thoroughly and quickly. Why don’t you use some of that investigative juju to go interview officer Tong and get his side of the story?

  77. #77 by nipsey on June 15, 2011

    I don’t see anyone trying to portray the victim as a hero, he may be a douchebag, which has nothing to do with anything. It doesn’t excuse police brutality – and we don’t have to “buy” that story, because if circle-the-wagons, perpetual denial, code of silence FPD says Tong was out of line, then there you go.

  78. #78 by Tuna Truck on June 15, 2011

    One of the things I questioned him about was his claim of “several” broken bones. His response?

    > You’re just splitting hairs here and focusing
    > too much on unrelated minutiae.

    > I doubt anyone with a truly vested interested in
    > what happened that evening cares about the
    > temperature outside that evening, how many sips
    > of stout I did or didn’t have, and why the FPD
    > released me at 6am…
    >
    > Frankly, it’s off-topic, distracting and irrelevent.

    The nature of his injuries are now off-topic, distracting, and irrelevant? Give me a break.

    I would like to know the truth, starting from the altercation(s) at Heroes to the moment he was released from jail.

    You’d have to be pretty gullible to believe his story about the police misconduct when the remainder of his story is weak at best.

  79. #79 by Tuna Truck on June 15, 2011

    The letter from FPD doesn’t confirm – or deny – that he was the victim of physical and psychological trauma.

    That’s a major problem IMHO. It’s anybody’s guess what the letter from FPD is trying to imply. They could have used Tong as a scapegoat for other officers as well.

  80. #80 by More Abuse on June 15, 2011

    Bad Cops are bad cops. I bet you that if you look at the officer’s background you will find more dirt.

  81. #81 by Floyd Patterson on June 15, 2011

    Hey, jackoff, these are the same crew that broke into the wrong house and held an innocent family at gunpoint.

    You are clearly nothing but a cop apologist getting a law degree at some unaccredited law school.

    You rail against “Victim” for not being consistent. Huh? He was never under any obligation to tell you every irrelevant fact of his life; he was never any under any obligation to profess medical or legal expertise or to be a perfect writer with perfect recall. Who gives a shit how many bones a person has in his finger?

    Go screw yourself, copper.

  82. #82 by Tuna Truck II on June 15, 2011

    “They could have used Tong as a scapegoat for other officers as well.”

    Nice slight of hand. The “could” have been doing anything.

  83. #83 by Tuna Truck on June 15, 2011

    There’s a difference between the narcotics bust gone bad and the incident here. Those people have a consistent story. So consistent they weren’t afraid to go before the City Council about it.

    Our victim here can’t get his story straight about the gang altercation at Heroes. What makes you think his description of the police conduct is trustworthy at this point?

  84. #84 by Royal Flush on June 15, 2011

    Come on folks lets give Commissioner Travis a great big hand. Not only did he appear as himself the dimwitted public servant, he also stared as “The Victim”. I must say Travis you did a fine job typing away trying to justify your slander of 5 police officers. I know it was not easy and you almost pulled it off.

    By the way, who was the moron who appointed you to the Planning Commission? He must be kicking himself right about now.

  85. #85 by Royal Flush on June 15, 2011

    Calling Chris Tamponson Hello where are you? What do they call you school board chairperson? What a joke you and your pals are. This blog sure lets everyone see your true colors.

  86. #86 by Royal Flush on June 15, 2011

    #62 by Johnny Donut on June 15, 2011
    I guess Fullerton cops think it’s ok to abuse you as long as they’re sure they can nail you with 24 hours of community service,

    Bobbin for Donuts,
    You must have taken civics class from Koo coo Chris Norby. Let me tell you what I learned while studying for my GED. The Judge is the one in the courtroom who impose sentence not the Po Po.

  87. #87 by Jan Flory's Dog on June 15, 2011

    Yikes! The cops are blogging hard from Donut Star tonight!

  88. #88 by Fred Alcazar on June 15, 2011

    Uh huh. So now your criterion for “consistency” or even credibility is whether or not someone goes before the City Council with their tale of woe? That’s just lame, brother. The issue of the gang altercation story was never relevant to the issue. What is relevant is whether or not some sadistic cop abused Mr. Victim.

    I have the feeling that the Department knows the truth.

    I am now most concerned about the issue of whether the cops and the DA might conspire to prosecute someone simply to discredit a possible trouble-maker.

  89. #89 by Fred Alcazar on June 15, 2011

    Well, that’s not possible. A bunch of lackeys in the Legislature like Todd Spitzer passed a fascist piece of legislation called The Peace Officer’s Bill of Rights. And that means they can do any damn thing they want, get away with it and retire from their labors at 50 with almost their whole salary. Throw in a fake injury (like falling down a stairwell or collapsing a folding chair under yourself (a la Bankhead) and you get a tax free income to boot.

    Hooray for the Heroes!

  90. #90 by Fred Alcazar on June 15, 2011

    Slander? Wow, that’s tough stuff. Do you think those delicate flowers will be suing? Getting those slugs deposed under oath would be of great benefit to the people of Fullerton.

  91. #91 by Fred Alcazar on June 15, 2011

    Ah! The GED mindset and mentality once again asserts istself. Keep going douchbag. You’re showing your and your pals true intellectual caliber!

  92. #92 by Fred Alcazar on June 15, 2011

    You have a GED? Ha ha! I knew it!

  93. #93 by Tuna Truck on June 15, 2011

    Fred Alcazar :
    Uh huh. So now your criterion for “consistency” or even credibility is whether or not someone goes before the City Council with their tale of woe? That’s just lame, brother. The issue of the gang altercation story was never relevant to the issue. What is relevant is whether or not some sadistic cop abused Mr. Victim.
    I have the feeling that the Department knows the truth.
    I am now most concerned about the issue of whether the cops and the DA might conspire to prosecute someone simply to discredit a possible trouble-maker.

    Wrong. My criterion for consistency is to tell the truth and everything will ultimately make sense, even if pieces of the story are missing.

    Our victim here has contradicted himself more than once. He can’t get his story straight.

    Fred, tell me you’re not stupid enough to accept his version of the police brutality at face value. At the very least, an intelligent person should have a little bit of skepticism. He’s either lying or fabricating parts of the gang altercation story. Why would he suddenly be truthful about the police conduct?

  94. #94 by Royal Flush on June 15, 2011

    #89 by Fred Alcazar on June 15, 2011

    Ah! The GED mindset and mentality once again asserts istself. Keep going douchbag. You’re showing your and your pals true intellectual caliber!

    “Your and your”…. “Istself” …. “douchbag”….what the fuck?
    Ha Ha Ha Ha….. goo goo da da I talk baby talk too. AlCigar you are one stupid asshole. You only wish you possessed the all powerful GED. Did you spent all of your time in Norby’s class under his desk? PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE, IT’S MELTING YOUR BRAIN.

  95. #95 by Fred Alcazar on June 16, 2011

    Nope, I accept almost nothing at face value. And that’s why I’m wondering why you are spending so much effort attacking irrelevant issues and nitpicking the guy’s admittedly poorly constructed written narrative – starting with the initial confrontation.

    Here’s what I’m sure of: the cops NEVER admit error unless absolutely necessary and only then couched in euphemism and double talk. That letter from the Chief speaks volumes.

  96. #96 by Fred Alcazar on June 16, 2011

    I would trust you to be able to remember to put the “e” in douchebag.

    Well done, pudgy little GED fritter. And next time try to get over the wall on the obstacle course on your own.

    Cheating is no way to start a successful career in law enforcement. Oh, wait…

  97. #97 by Royal Flush on June 16, 2011

    #96 by Fred Alcazar on June 16, 2011
    I would trust you to be able to remember to put the “e” in douchebag.
    Well done, pudgy little GED fritter. And next time try to get over the wall on the obstacle course on your own.
    Cheating is no way to start a successful career in law enforcement. Oh, wait…

    Travis go brush those yellow fangs of yours. NERD! check your spelling dropout.

  98. #98 by Fullerton Rudy on June 16, 2011

    Fred, cut it out. You’re driving this hamster nuts.

  99. #99 by Victim on June 16, 2011

    I would like to thank those of you who haven’t jumped at literally every single opportunity to discredit me that you can come up with.

    I was not obligated to answer any of your inquiries, Tuna – but I did my best to humor some of your irrelevant requests in the interest of clearing up some grey areas in what happened that evening.

    Also, I would like it to be known that prior to this incident, I had a clean rap sheet and no prior troubles with the law. I am a graduate of Cal State Fullerton’s Mihaylo College of Business and Economics with a degree in Finance.

    I’m not some drunken frat boy, violent gang-banger, belligerent pugilist, or cop-hating anarchist. I’m simply a young professional who wound up in the horrible situation one night in Fullerton that dramatically altered my life in a very negative way.

    I apologize if my assertion that I had “several” broken bones confused you. I have a spiral fracture in my left pinkie finger that remains broken 14 months later (I cannot afford microfracture surgery to have it repaired by a specialist.) Both the middle and proximal phalanx were broken severely, which has left my finger disfigured to this day. Other injuries I suffered that were discovered by the on-campus physician at Cal State Fullerton were:

    - Multiple contusions on my head under the hairline, including a large welt behind my right ear that was photographed and presented at trial.

    - Grade I concussion (no LOC, confusion, disorientation, mild amnesia.) I received an MRI several days after the beating that showed that I had no significant brain injuries thank goodness.

    - Broken left pinkie finger, dislocated left ring finger, right middle and ring fingers.

    - Dislocated right shoulder.

    - Moderate to severe contusions on my ribs (both sides), as well as multiple bruises and cuts on my back.

    - Severe lacerations and abrasions to both my wrists as a result of the officers using the handcuffs to toss me around, causing them to tear deeply into my skin.

    I have yet to find out what, exactly, FPD “sustained” from my allegations against Tong. Were I to guess, I would imagine they found evidence that he had thrown me to the ground multiple times, and then ripped me back up by the link that connected my cuffs (which caused the above-mentioned abrasions on my wrists.) Also, he had broken my finger, and attempted (unsuccessfully thank God) to break several more. He also accelerated to very fast speeds (>60mph) and then slammed on the breaks to his squad car while I was cuffed in the backseat, which caused my face to slam violently into the grate which separated us in his cruiser. There has to be evidence of this in the black box that monitors the speed and movement of his vehicle.

    I’m anxious to have an attorney subpoena the officers involved and bring to light just what, exactly, was sustained in their findings.

  100. #100 by Ann Messersmith on June 16, 2011

    Mr. Victim:

    You are not a victim. The real victims in the case is the person you violently head-butted causing injury. Just because a person is Asian or Hispanic does not make them a gangster as you have many times indicated. The hardworking people who had to lose pay to sit on your jury trial were victimized by your thoughtless act. You victimized the taxpayers who flipped the bill by your violence.

    60 MPH in the police car you say now and looking at the bank thermometers? That’s the final: “You have got to be kidding,” the Police Department is 100 yards away from that bar.

  101. #101 by Ann Messersmith on June 16, 2011

    Mr. Victim:

    I do happen to know that several of the officers you have accused of these crimes happen to have darker skin pigment than yourself. The victim you assaulted was also a person of color. Did that fact play a role in the story you are telling?

  102. #102 by Anonymous on June 16, 2011

    Oh yeah.. Victim.. don’t think Travis didn’t know this was going to happen to you. You are a pawn in his little game. You have been had. Now you are a victim twice over.

  103. #103 by Travis on June 16, 2011

    Nah, I told him you goons would show up to kick up dust in a sad attempt to make us forget that one of your bad cop buddies got outed.

    Face it, if you smack around enough people, sooner or later your going to run up against one with the cajones to fight back.

    That’s what you’ve got here, and we’re not done yet.

  104. #104 by Fred Alcazar on June 16, 2011

    Ann (if that is your real name – and I doubt that it is, and I doubt that you are even a woman) that little gambit (as if you didn’t know) is called the “screen test.” The cop accelerates way past 60 mph, slams on the brakes for some purported furry creature crossing the road, and then laughs sadisctically as the handcuffed dude in the back seat has his face smashed into the security screen in the squad car. Several episodes may be counted upon before the car reaches the station no matter how close it is.

    Really, toots, you need to do better than than that.

  105. #105 by Fred Alcazar on June 16, 2011

    You seem to know a lot about this case. You are clearly a Fullerton cop or perhaps an employee of Jones and Meyer.

    Are you following company policy here talking about an ongoing case?

  106. #106 by Ann Messersmith on June 16, 2011

    Commissioner Kiger it appears that you hide behind the name of Fred Alcazar. I assure you that neither the City of Fullerton nor a law firm employs me. So your threats to silence me will not work. I seem to have upset you by asking some questions about this orchestrated case brought forth by you slandering the reputations of some fine police officers. One officer was found to be in violation of policy. The others were without error. You knew the facts of this case when you started this crusade. Do you,
    Mr. Commissioner, have any obligation to attempt to protect the citizens of Fullerton’s financial resources from frivolous litigation? This is truly a conflict of interest, and as a member of the City of Fullerton’s Planning Commission, weren’t you required to sign a conflict of interest statement? READ IT.

  107. #107 by Anonymous on June 16, 2011

    Heh.. whatever you say, babe.. you are so self important. I don’t care about your FPD or your city. Thank god I don’t live in your dump of a city. FREAKS!

  108. #108 by Anonymous on June 16, 2011

    yes, clearly. ha ha ha. clear as mud.

  109. #109 by Anonymous on June 16, 2011

    What? you are a commissioner in Fullerton? OMG! Fullerton really is a freak show!

  110. #110 by Anonymous on June 16, 2011

    Ann, I suggest you move out of Fullerton before you go nuts with these nub bags. Run! Run! Run!

  111. #111 by Ann Messersmith on June 17, 2011

    Commissioner Kiger the citizens of Fullerton deserve better than this kind of stunt from you. Who do you serve when you let your personal feelings and prejudges get in the way of representing the interest of the citizens of Fullerton publishing this kind of misleading propaganda? You knowingly misled the readers of this blog the facts of this case. It makes me wonder what your unspoken motives were when taking your appointed position of power? I think Councilmen Whitaker is an honest, trustworthy steward for the City of Fullerton. I would sure like to know if he condones this type of behavior from you?

  112. #112 by Shorty on June 17, 2011

    Travis was doing this type of thing long before Whitaker placed him on the commission. Whitaker condones it.. and uses this outlet now and again. Honest and trustworthy are words I would not mix in the same sentence with Whitaker.

    If he doesn’t.. let him come here and say so. He won’t. Maybe he owes Tony too much. I don’t know.

  113. #113 by nipsey on June 17, 2011

    Can you tell me where to score some crack? I think you can.

  114. #114 by Fred Alcazar on June 17, 2011

    Nuh uh. Travis doesn’t need to hide behind a fake name unlike the Three FPOA Trolls and the Public Works manager from Lake Forest. Travis has real courage – not the kind you develop swaggering around with a badge and gun.

    YOU were the one who purported to know the facts of the case – by revealing the “conviction” (24 Hours of public service, what is that the legal minimum?) that was irrelevant in any case.

    Travis passed on a story SOMEONE ELSE WROTE. Based on the letter from the Chief it was obviously credible enough to publish on a blog.

    Here’s my advice for all the offended cops out in copland: instead of protecting the sadists and miscreants in your midst, weed them out yourselves.

    Oh, and yeah: Go back to retiring at 55 and give the taxpayers a fair deal.

  115. #115 by Anonymous on June 17, 2011

    This is some funny shit!!!

  116. #116 by We Live In A Police State on June 17, 2011

    This is not “funny shit”, this is sorry shat. Here’s some more sorry shat:

    “The evidence that America now is a full-blown police state keeps pouring in. Governments short of revenue even are assaulting those with alleged school-loan problems.” Read more: http://www.calwatchdog.com/2011/06/10/stockton-swat-raid-over-student-debt/

  117. #117 by Anonymous on June 17, 2011

    No… this is funny shit!!!

  118. #118 by Victim on June 17, 2011

    Ann Messersmith :
    Mr. Victim:
    You are not a victim. The real victims in the case is the person you violently head-butted causing injury. Just because a person is Asian or Hispanic does not make them a gangster as you have many times indicated. The hardworking people who had to lose pay to sit on your jury trial were victimized by your thoughtless act. You victimized the taxpayers who flipped the bill by your violence.
    60 MPH in the police car you say now and looking at the bank thermometers? That’s the final: “You have got to be kidding,” the Police Department is 100 yards away from that bar.

    For the record, I did not “violently” head-butt anyone. A self-identified gang member (Toker’s Town, I believe is what he yelled at me) of either Asian or Hispanic decent surrounded me with his buddies after accosting me inside of a bar.

    They called me a “faggot”, which I find incredibly offensive and disrespectful, as I am active in the LGBT Community to support my mother, who happens to be gay. Additionally, I was called a “bitch-made pussy”, “mark-ass bitch” and “cock-sucker”, among other things.

    This thug approached me, pressed his forehead against mine, and screamed obscenities and threats against me, before I decided I had had enough, and pushed my forehead back against his.

    Had you attended the trial, you would have seen evidence (specifically, photographs and doctor’s reports) that showed that neither myself nor the “victim” had any inflammation, redness, scarring, bruising or any other marks on either of our foreheads, noses or faces that would indicate that a “violent” headbutt had been committed.

    Again, please refer to the youtube video I posted in my first comment which paints the clearest picture to how benign this “battery” was.

    Had I seriously injured the “victim”, or committed a vicious, violent or horrible act, I would have not only been charged with “Assault and Battery Resulting in Great Bodily Harm”, but I also probably would have been sentenced to more than just 24 hours of community service.

    To put how light this sentence is into perspective, I had a friend get arrested for marijuana possession, and they were sentenced to 100 hours of community service.

    What happened that night was an unfortunate situation. I now know that I need to walk away 100% of the time, as attempting to stand my ground and show that I’m not scared of gang members is an ill-advised tactic, and leads to nothing but risk and trouble.

    And please do not pull the race card. Had the gang-members been skinheads, piru bloods, los zatas, wah-ching, hell’s angels or otherwise, it would not have mattered. That night I refused to be intimidated by a group of petty thugs, and unfortunately I paid the cost for attempting to take on the City of Fullerton.

    It’s regrettable, and it will never happen again. I just hope no one else is beaten as badly as I was that evening.

    On a side note: When I was researching civil attorneys to take my case, I came across an attorney representing a man from Costa Mesa who was arrested for jay-walking in Fullerton. He is around 6’4, 225lbs, with a shaved-head and heavily-tattooed arms.

    The FPB threw him to the ground, and kicked him in the ribs and face, resulting in several broken ribs, and knocking out his front teeth. Their rationale for brutally assaulting a man in handcuffs, whose only crime was jaywalking? He had a “Menacing Demeanor.” Wow.

  119. #119 by Tuna Truck on June 17, 2011

    Like I said earlier in the week, the more you talk, the more doubtful I am of your story.

    > Had you attended the trial, you would have seen
    > evidence (specifically, photographs and doctor’s
    > reports) that showed that neither myself nor the
    > “victim” had any inflammation, redness, scarring,
    > bruising or any other marks on either of our
    > foreheads, noses or faces that would indicate
    > that a “violent” headbutt had been committed.

    Do you see the problem in your logic? Read the next paragraph (which you wrote) and rethink what you’re saying.

    > He also accelerated to very fast speeds (60mph)
    > and then slammed on the breaks to his squad
    > car while I was cuffed in the backseat, which
    > caused my face to slam violently into the grate
    > which separated us in his cruiser.

    You can’t have it both ways.

    For the criminal charges, you’re citing the absence of ”
    inflammation, redness, scarring, bruising or any other marks on either of our foreheads, noses or faces” that would indicate a headbutt took place.

    The opposite must be true if your face was slammed “violently” into the grate of the police car and the officers punched you in the head. A sudden impact with a metal grate seems far worse than a headbutt.

    I don’t understand how the photos and doctor’s opinions could rule out a headbutt if you sustained all the other injuries from the police.

  120. #120 by just a guy on June 17, 2011

    Tuna, you should work in the FPD internal investigation department. Maybe then they wouldn’t have found Tong guilty. Which they did. Officially.

  121. #121 by Anonymous on June 17, 2011

    Guilty of what?

  122. #122 by On the Prowl on June 17, 2011

    It’s Friday night. Do you know where officer Tong is?

    Stay safe kids.

  123. #123 by Peerless on June 17, 2011

    Ann,
    Travis can do this blogging to his hearts content so long as when he is making a decision as a commissioner it is done so with the proper regard for the rules associated with the commission.

    Being a commissioner does not mean the commissioner gives up his or her first amendment right (nor his second).

    …but nice try!

  124. #124 by Victim on June 17, 2011

    That’s the million dollar question, I suppose. I’m still anxious to discover what, specifically, the Fullerton IE found Tong guilty of. I levied myriad accusations against Tong and his band of marauders, some of which were sustained, others which were determined to be “unfounded.”

    I am incredibly curious to discover what Tong was reprimanded for, but as I theorized earlier, it makes the most sense that he was disciplined for breaking my finger, cutting my wrists and “break-checking” (or whatever the euphemism for it is) me. Additionally, I’m certain he was given a firm chewing-out for lambasting me with homophobic and offensive slurs (of which definitive proof exists on the audio recordings pulled from Tong’s recorder.)

    That being said, I wasn’t necessarily speaking the King’s that night myself, however I refrained from using words such as “faggot”, “cunt”, et al. I also did not venture into the disgusting realm of racial slurs. During the recording, you can certainly hear Tong and other officers berating me with a wide-variety of profanities that would make Lisa Lampenelli blush. As I was being beaten I screamed at them to stop, repeatedly demanded to know why I was being arrested, and the other party involved in the “fight” was not, threatened to “take them down” after my fingers were twisted and cracked and fully exploited the cathartic nature of screaming the word “fuck” whilst in extreme pain and duress.

    My hope is that Travis is able to further uncover details of the internal investigation that took place after my beating, and publish them on this website. The more transparent the process, the more safe I’ll feel in the City of Fullerton.

    “It is as much the duty of Government to render prompt justice against itself in favor of its citizens as it is to administer the same between private individuals.” – Lincoln

  125. #125 by Victim on June 17, 2011

    I think Shepard Fairey needs to pay the FPD a visit Banksy-style and tattoo its surroundings with this fine piece of street art:

    http://chowderheadbazoo.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8345282f769e2011168caaf6a970c-pi

  126. #126 by Anonymous on June 17, 2011

    I hope Travis can uncover something too, because up until now neither of you have supplied anything of substance but a lot of anonymous and meaningless chatter all around.

  127. #127 by just a guy on June 18, 2011

    “the evidence indicates that the complaint was well founded.”

  128. #128 by Oh My Pussy Hurts on June 18, 2011

    Hey Victim,

    I think the names you were allegedly called were at least half true. As far as your sexual orientation goes, I have no idea but homosexuality does run in your family.

    You are a stupid person for either bringing this story to this website or allowing them to coax you into posting this fucking sob story. You may not be a pussy or a faggot but you are an idiot. Can I at least get an Amen?

    If you’re whining about the minutiae that is being brought up in this fucked up blog site, I wonder how comfortable you’ll be sitting in an actual court room. The city’s attorney is going to rake your pussy over the coals. And when it’s all said and done and you lost your case, wait and listen for the judge to award attorney’s fees against you.

    Maybe Tony will step up to the plate and pay them for you….NOT.

    Now drop a set of nuts out of that pussy of yours and go fuck yourself.

  129. #129 by Anonymous on June 18, 2011

    I’m pretty sure Whitaker is one of the posters on this site.

  130. #130 by Fred Alcazar on June 18, 2011

    Nice talk, GED.

  131. #131 by Victim on June 18, 2011

    I’m not trying to sue the city for any type of punitive sum. I simply want my finger surgically repaired, and the officer(s) involved in my beating to be exposed/punished in a public setting.

    I was put on trial for a harmless act of self-defense, and I believe it’s only fair for the officer(s) who beat me to be treated the same. Badge or not, there’s a line that separates reasonable force and outright brutality, and far too often the police blur that divide.

  132. #132 by Fred Alcazar on June 18, 2011

    Hey GED, here’s an idea: see if you can knock off Whitaker in 3.5 years instead of attacking him anonymously like a coward.

    You GED turds are still mad Whitaker beat your candidate – a food poisoner who gave his DNA
    to the DA in exchange for his freedom.

    Nice candidate. Nice union.

  133. #133 by Anonymous on June 18, 2011

    Heh.. you got me there Fred.. You can’t even seem to use a decent spell checker. We were probably in the same class. Nice stretch in trying to connect me to other ass wipes because I think Whitaker is turd. Same logic you always use. You are an idiot.

  134. #134 by Anonymous on June 18, 2011

    Oh.. and by the way.. it’s 1.5 years ass hole. You are an idiot.

  135. #135 by Joe's Daddy on June 18, 2011

    If it was self defense you never would have been convicted in ajury trial

  136. #136 by Victim on June 18, 2011

    Not true.

    This is the definition of reasonable force as a defense in English Common Law:

    “Opinions differ on what constitutes a reasonable amount of force, but in all cases, the defendant does not have the right to determine what constitutes “reasonable force” because the defendant would always maintain they acted reasonably and thus would never be guilty. The jury, as ordinary members of the community, must decide the amount of force reasonable in the circumstances of each case. It is relevant that the defendant was under pressure from imminent attack and may not have had time to make entirely rational decisions, so the test must balance the objective standard of a reasonable person by attributing some of the subjective knowledge of the defendant, including what they believed about the circumstances, even if mistaken. However, even allowing for mistakes made in a crisis, the amount of force must be proportionate and reasonable given the value of the interests being protected and the harm likely to be caused by use of force.”

    The jury in my trial came to the conclusion that, because there were police officers within a reasonable distance from the altercation, that I should have called out for help, or fled the confrontation rather than standing my ground.

    The jury reasoned that had there not been police officers present, then the amount of force I used (minimal) would have been, in fact, reasonable.

    The primary reason I did not cower in fear from the men provoking the conflict is because I was under the impression that once the primary gang member who was in my face took a swing at me (or if any of his fellow gang members took a swing at me) that the officers would have then rushed to break up the ensuing brawl.

    This reasoning was obviously flawed on my end, because the officers sat back and allowed the fight to unfold, and stood idly by as these men threatened my life and well-being with physical harm. It was not until the main instigator literally pressed his forehead against mine and threatened to kill me that the police began to move in – but even then, they did not use physical force to separate us from one another until I pushed him off me with my own forehead – at which point I was tackled, cuffed and beaten.

    I cannot make excuses for my actions at this point, I can only look back at them pragmatically and understand that what I did was foolish. Operating under the assumption that the officers would have intervened prior to a punch being thrown was naive of me, and it resulting in me being convicted of the pettiest of conflicts.

    Also, it should be understood that as a poor college student, I was unable to afford a competent defense attorney who specialized in these sort of matters, and was instead represented pro bono by a civil attorney who specializes in family law who wanted to take on a criminal trial “for fun; for the experience.” Suffice to say, the veteran D.A. who prosecuted me mopped the floor was my completely inexperienced attorney. And although this was his first (and presumably, last and only) criminal case, I do thank him for lending a week of his time to aid me in my defense for free.

    I learned a lot of lessons throughout this entire process, and perhaps one of the most important (and obvious) ones is that money truly does by freedom. Were I able to come up with $7,500 to hire a specialist, there is zero doubt in my mind that I would have been acquitted.

    One final comment too: Initially, the lawyer who I had hired for $2,500 (which I had to sell my vehicle to afford) had turned down a plea offer of “Disturbing the Peace” from the D.A. about 6 weeks after I was charged. He had told me that this case was a “slam dunk” and that a plea of disturbing the peace was “insulting.” He advised me to proceed to trial and seek complete exoneration. Again, my naivete led me to accepting his proposal, and right before the trial was set to begin he sent me a bill for $5,000. I asked what it was for, and he responded with: “That’s your trial fee.” I was under the impression that the $2,500 I had initially paid him included the cost of a trial, but apparently I was mistaken. Even though our written contract said nothing about additional fees for trial, he insisted that I MUST pay him or else I “would be fucking screwed.” I took this as a bait-and-switch tactic, and promptly fired him.

    Shortly thereafter I was contacted by the man who represented me pro bono, and we began to discuss the case…

    This entire ordeal was one big cluster-fuck, and I feel just as victimized by the system, the slimy lawyers who run it and the cost of freedom in the American justice system as I do by the officers who beat me into submission that fateful evening.

  137. #137 by Anonymous on June 18, 2011

    Victim, You are such a Victim. If you don’t get that, then you really do fit the profile.

    You keep getting victimized. The police, the judge, the jury, the lawyer, now.. this site. You’ll be complaining about Travis next.

    You are a glutton for punishment.

  138. #138 by Victim on June 18, 2011

    Has anyone seen this?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/18/larry-markin-beating-help_n_879761.html

    An “off duty member of law enforcement or possibly the military” beat a grandfather into a coma in Fullerton. Wow.

  139. #139 by Joe Sipowicz on June 18, 2011

    Anonymous :
    Oh.. and by the way.. it’s 1.5 years ass hole. You are an idiot.

    Your chances are no better in 1.5.

    Maybe next time you cops won’t back a serial lawbreaker.

    Heh heh. Of course you will.

  140. #140 by Anonymous on June 18, 2011

    What makes you think I’m a cop? I just think your all a bunch of ass holes.

  141. #141 by Officer Nightstick on June 18, 2011

    Funny just how many cops are on here to defend the indefensible.

  142. #142 by On the Prowl on June 18, 2011

    It’s Saturday night in DTF. Keep an eye out for Officer Tong and his FPD posse. I hear they’re pretty angry these days.

  143. #143 by Johnny Donut on June 18, 2011

    142 comments. This story is in “Hero and Deserve” territory. Well done!

  144. #144 by just a guy on June 18, 2011

    Victim :
    The jury in my trial came to the conclusion that, because there were police officers within a reasonable distance from the altercation, that I should have called out for help, or fled the confrontation rather than standing my ground.

    Called for help…from the FPD? That’s pretty damn ironic.

  145. #145 by just a guy on June 18, 2011

    They’re not even really defending themselves…they’re just attacking the victim on superfluous personal issues.

    Look, these cops aren’t as stupid as they’re pretending to be. They can look around the locker room and tell which of their guys are out for blood. In fact, every once in a while, one of them grows a pair of balls and turns in a bad cop. That might even be what happened in this case.

  146. #146 by Anonymous on June 18, 2011

    I for one am not a cop. I just think you’re all a bunch of weasels.

  147. #147 by Victim on June 18, 2011

    just a guy :
    They’re not even really defending themselves…they’re just attacking the victim on superfluous personal issues.
    Look, these cops aren’t as stupid as they’re pretending to be. They can look around the locker room and tell which of their guys are out for blood. In fact, every once in a while, one of them grows a pair of balls and turns in a bad cop. That might even be what happened in this case.

    Thank you for saying this.

    I’m glad there are intelligent members of the online public out there who can take some of these comments at face-value.

    That is – completely dodging the relevant issue at hand (the fact that how sympathetic or unsympathetic am, I was beaten mercilessly by sadistic members of law enforcement after surrendering to them, and while in handcuffs – and they were found guilty of this – to one degree or another.)

    Attacking me tooth and nail and attempting to dissect every last (insignificant) detail of my account of that evening’s events is pathetic and does nothing to take away the fact that I suffered bodily harm while in the custody of Fullerton’s finest.

  148. #148 by Victim on June 18, 2011

    I am legitimately curious as well… How many of those who have chosen to attack me are members of law enforcement?

    I would not be surprised if this blog post is making its rounds at FPD, and most of the commenters who have been attacking me are either members of the force, or were actually there that evening and participated in my beating.

    Also, it’s a damn shame that the FPD had the security tapes outside of Heroes destroyed after the incident. Had those tapes not been destroyed, and my attorney had access to them, I believe the outcome of my trial might have been different, and perhaps more officers than just Tong would have been found in violation of multiple policies by acting violently out of protocol that evening.

    One last thing that I do not believe has been addressed yet:

    I am 5’8, 150lbs.

    The “victim” is 6’1, 230lbs.

    …draw your own conclusions.

  149. #149 by Joe's Daddy on June 19, 2011

    So you shrunk an inch and lost 10lbs from your first post when you claimed to be 5’9″ and 160lbs. Tough time believing you

  150. #150 by Joe Sipowicz on June 19, 2011

    Now that’s police brutality – lose ten pounds and an inch!

  151. #151 by Al Sharpton on June 19, 2011

    Vitim:

    I once knew a young lady who was victimized by the police much like yourself. Her name was Tawana Brawley I like Tony and Travis were brave enough to stand up for her when know body else would. God bless brave sole.

  152. #152 by FPD Troll Alert! on June 19, 2011

    ^^^^^^
    Desperate times call for desperate measures.

  153. #153 by Anonymous on June 19, 2011

    You might as well keep wondering. There are a lot of people in town that just don’t like Tony or Travis. Travis from this site, but Tony and his family have screwed so many.. it’s really hard to tell.

    I just think you’re a victim… a life long victim.. and you’ll always be one.

    Tony will always be an ass hole.. and Travis.. he’s just Travis. I think you could all use some kind of therapy.

  154. #154 by Anonymous on June 19, 2011

    ^^^ Never had sex… not even with a catholic priest.

  155. #155 by Fred Alcazar on June 20, 2011

    Now that’s just weird. Even for a whacked out GED cop.

  156. #156 by Fullerton Rudy on June 20, 2011

    Wrong. Lots of us like Travis and Tony. Travis is a true local hero. Tony has done more for Fullerton than you and your mangy crew ever have.

    And you phony Heroes do it for money. Lots and lots and lots of money. Our money.

  157. #157 by bilbobaggins on July 14, 2011

    How can everyone be so blind? You should keep in account that during situations like these, cops usually falsify and exaggerate in their reports. I speak only from experience. Without going into specific details, I was put into a similar situation (less violent, but the incident the Victim is describing (to whatever extent), is still APPALLING. I am now in full belief that the Fullerton Police Department needs to do a full evaluation of its officers.

  158. #158 by Johnny Donut on July 14, 2011

    I think lots of folks are starting to agree with you.

    But why should the FPD evaluate it’s own officers now? We’re well past that point. It’s time to dump the whole department and start over.

  159. #159 by Ann Messersmith = Andy Goodrich on July 14, 2011

    Silver has become well-known as the author of a legal brief that sweetened the pensions of law enforcement officers.

  160. #160 by bilbobaggins on July 14, 2011

    Too be honest, I was extremely upset about my situation of being arrested. Now that I’ve been living close to downtown, I’ve witnessed on more than one occasion, overly excessive force. A couple months ago, I was eating at Big Slice, when a hispanic lady holding a young child at the bus stop across the street was approached by several officers. It didn’t seem like they talked much, because it happened so quickly. One officer rushed in, and yanked the child out of her hands, while the other officer, a large 6 foot 200lb white male , rushed in and dropped his shoulder and tackled the lady over the bus stop bench, straight into the back of the bus stop(where the ads are placed). It took a death for people to start noticing things that have always been happening.

  161. #161 by Dennis on August 9, 2011

    you should be ashamed of yourself you fucking pig. you all will get yours soon…

  162. #162 by LeRoy Murray on October 3, 2011

    Hampton was in on this too. surprise! Surprise!
    If this guy hasn’t contacted the Thompson, Mam lawyer to sue the cops and FPD and city he’s an idiot.

  163. #163 by rick38 on October 3, 2011

    I agree. This Tong guy is a punk. And the six cops that killed the homeless man are also punks.WatchingToo much UFC maybe…None of these guys will survive a street fight on their own so they are frustrated and had to abuse their color of authority.

  164. #164 by just me on October 6, 2011

    why is the video of the incident now private and unable to be viewed?

  165. #165 by LeRoy Murray on October 6, 2011

    I posted the following below, I hope you didn’t take offense. None was intended.

    Hampton was in on this too. surprise! Surprise!
    If this guy hasn’t contacted the Thompson, Mam lawyer to sue the cops and FPD and city he’s an idiot.

    I’m bringing it up again, because you need to get punative. You need to sue, in that way you can get your finger repaired, at the same time by suing the city, the PD and all the officers you make them face and admit their complicity in this horrendous act, together with all the other horrendous acts that keep coming ti light. as I said to another victim, but not to your degree, of the FPD, if you don’t feel you want to benefit financially, then after your medical and other bills, give the rest to a church or a charity. But this isn’t going to stop, until the city finally realizes that they are causing it by permitting it, in the sensse that they allow the PD to run uncontrolled and unsupervized, committing one crime after another without consequense except to the citizens and taxpayers. Many of these rogue cops aren’t even citizens of Fullerton, so there’s no cost to them. Victims such as yourself have to bring this behavior to light by forcing them the city, the PD and the individual officers into court. I’m not suggesting an attorney, but from what I’ve seen, Mr Thomas’ and Mam’s is possibly the best. Think it over….

  166. #166 by LeRoy Murray on October 6, 2011

    There are hundreds, possibly thousands, of people who defended themselves in a fight convicted and in prison all around this country, going back to the beginning of the country. All it takes is a less than competent attorney facing a competent DA. Your’s is a very naive attitude.

  167. #167 by LeRoy Murray on October 6, 2011

    Angry, why? Though I’ve heard that nothing makes criminals angrier than being exposed or caught. Is that it?

  168. #168 by Paul on October 6, 2011

    They can buy my videos for $250,000. It will save them $500,000. SO it is cost effective. You notice the new iphone has a 7.0 megapixel camera built in. Thus in a year or so, most people will have high resolution cameras in their cell phones and a lot of the FPD crap will be recorded.
    I will sell my videos to the lawyer representing the people who sue or city lawyer for highest bidder. I am a police brutality paparazzi. Great business in Fullerton. Probably a few other jurisdictions too.
    The costs of lawsuits will for huge changes in how business is conducted in certain areas, like bars and restaurants.

  169. #169 by Freddy on October 6, 2011

    Paul :
    They can buy my videos for $250,000. It will save them $500,000. SO it is cost effective. You notice the new iphone has a 7.0 megapixel camera built in. Thus in a year or so, most people will have high resolution cameras in their cell phones and a lot of the FPD crap will be recorded.
    I will sell my videos to the lawyer representing the people who sue or city lawyer for highest bidder. I am a police brutality paparazzi. Great business in Fullerton. Probably a few other jurisdictions too.
    The costs of lawsuits will for huge changes in how business is conducted in certain areas, like bars and restaurants.

    Paul, do you really think this video camera freedom will last. The cops will destroy our cameras and arrest us and after a viscious beating. It’s only a question of time before the corrupt judges and their cohorts in political power make it illegal to video public officials.
    Then again we have corrupt DAs who squash their criminal activities if the price is right.

  170. #170 by The Fullerton Harpoon on October 6, 2011

    Sergeant Goodrich also said the suspect could be “possibly off-duty law enforcement” or in the military.

    Goodrich telling the truth?

  171. #171 by dixiejon on October 6, 2011

    @170 live stream fixes that. even judges cant change the constitution, so banning photography is not gonna happen.

  172. #172 by Steve Brow on October 7, 2011

    The arguements against “victim” on the June posts did not seems similar to a desperate defense lawyer.

    Let me say that if the FPD is using Gordon Graham’s techniques for taking down a PCP user, extrapolating those techniques to routine misdeneanor detentions, and then throwing in some genuine cruelty, the the FPD will continue to have big problems.

    Also, if the powers that be in Fullerton continue to use the likes of Bruce Praet and Dave Ellis to defend them, then they will find themselves in a world of hurt. For the antedote has already been discovered.

  173. #173 by Steve Brow on October 7, 2011

    Rewrite:

    The arguements against “Victim” in the June posts did not seem like honest attempts to discern the truth, but seem similar to those of a desperate defense lawyer.

  174. #174 by van get it da artiste on October 7, 2011

    in light of the recent evidence of horrific abuse by fullerton PD, I apologize to this individual for not believing his story at first.

  175. #175 by Simmons on October 7, 2011

    In all likelihood, Officer Tong is still patrolling the streets of Fullerton. ”

    Shoot, he might even pull you over tonight.”

    Got to love that double meaning.

    I believe now is a great time for EVERYONE who has a colorable complaint / law suit against the FPD to step forward.

    Bring the FPD RICO association to its knees.

    The FPD is nothing but a Bunch of union thugs.

  176. #176 by van get it da artiste on October 7, 2011

    good laugh

  177. #177 by Simmons on October 7, 2011

    I know. What a tradegy for the FPD.

  178. #178 by Jt on October 7, 2011

    Reading the list of posts above I am just amazed at the attitudes of the majority of the posters who attacked the victim of yet another horrendous police abuse CRIME.

    Clearly, FFFF has come a long way in a short time. Unbelievable though, the wanton cruelty and insensitivity of the comments by what I can only described as the largest collection of nitpicking assholes I’ve ever seen, each trying to out-do one another in their attacks on the victim – who seems remarkably calm, polite and well-spoken given the situation. Thank God for Joe, Fred, Travis, Admin, Nipsey and the few others with the balls and sense to defend him from a bunch of baseless, stupid attacks by a bunch of “I’m so perfect” hypocrites.

    And Joe S – the “perhaps” qualifer in the sentence about Cary Tong needs to go. Absolutely yes, another entry in the neverending FPD Hall of Shame.

  179. #179 by admin on October 7, 2011

    Putting this guy on trial for anything was crazy. Putting Veth Mam on trial was crazy, too. Fortunately a video emerged that exonerated him and showed the FPD was lying every step of the way.

    Makes you wonder if any FPD witnesses took the stand in this case.

  180. #180 by 9c1copcar on October 7, 2011

    Victim,

    If I were you, I would keep the story to myself. Too many people want to discredit you, so, I say silence is your best defense.

  181. #181 by 9c1copcar on October 7, 2011

    I am positive, that the dirty cops on FPD, also sided with Michael Vick.

  182. #182 by friend on October 7, 2011

    tuna truck needs to go away.

    i find the victim’s story 100% credible. tuna truck sounds like a cop questioning a suspect (or victim), pretending to find inconsistencies when, in fact, he knows in his soul that they are immaterial and that the victim has answered any and all questions put to him thoroughly.

    i wouldn’t be surprised if tuna truck was a cop or had some close relationship to cops or the FPD in particular.

  183. #183 by Ken on October 7, 2011

    Out of curiosity has any of following been published or made public: Official copy of complaint by individual citing, Findings of what in fact Tong was found to be problematic, Non-redacted name of this individual, Court Case Number finding individual guilty (unsure of charges whether misdemeanor or felony), Working video of this incident, etc. Also, what is the name of IA’s lead? Thank you.

  184. #184 by Jt on October 7, 2011

    admin :Makes you wonder if any FPD witnesses took the stand in this case.

    Makes me wonder again how many people have been wrongfully convicted and even imprisoned based on perjury by FPD officers.

  185. #185 by Spunky on October 7, 2011

    Corporal Contino was on the supervising officer when Edgar sexually assaulted me! This place is dirty Dirty Dirty!!! this is being reviewed right now even though it took place in 2009!
    Im Sure I will be getting a letter just like this one!!!

  186. #186 by friend on October 7, 2011

  187. #187 by Tracey on October 7, 2011

    Victim,

    I agree. You need to sue the FPD to make a statement and to see to it that the officers involved are fired.

    Use the money Like L. Murray said to fix your injuries and donate the rest.

    Good luck to you. I believe every word you stated. I pray my children never have to endure the terror you went throught at the hands of those paid to protect us.

  188. #188 by We Are All One on October 7, 2011

    Jesus h fucking christ this city is fucked up.

  189. #189 by streets of fullerton on October 7, 2011

    I was wondering if someone could describe what officer Tong looks like?

  190. #190 by Paul on October 7, 2011

    Reply to 187 on Sellers did not live up to his contract. – This is the real reason why Sellers is on medical leave which will lead to retirement that will be partially tax free. He cannot live up to the contract that he signed. Now this is the important part: City Council and the City Manager are complicit in this act. Why? Because they could be immediately sueing Sellers but have chosen NOT to. Sellers will instead screw the City of Fullerton taxpayers just like everyone else seems to do and the City Council has done nothing.
    The FFFF has two members of council that should be MUCH MORE PROACTIVE and so far they are NOT! It is not just the unholy 3 that are screwing up Fullerton, it is also the other two councilmembers who can be pushing for Sellers to be sued but have not. ANd each time these items are mentioned they need to come to public VOTE so everyone can see the continual coverups by the current Mayor and the ex police chief and ex police captain. They have truly screwed up the City.

  191. #191 by truthseeker on October 7, 2011

    Some crooks carry guns, some carry a big stick but the most dangerous of them all sport a mean pen.

  192. #192 by discarted on October 7, 2011

    Even Photoshop couldn’t reveal the redacted info. Looks like someone put tape over the info and then used marker.

  193. #193 by Anonymous on October 7, 2011

    asian

  194. #194 by MagnumPI on October 7, 2011

    http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=s24T9ejuseKFvBe8B_HVKw

    click on the photo on the top left – is that Cary with his bride? Its a Cary Tong, address in West Covina, one of only 2 matches for all of Southern Cal. If that’s the wrong Cary my apologies.

  195. #195 by Tracey on October 7, 2011

    FPD Officers put on unpaid leave tomorrow!

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/thomas-320990-officers-leave.html

  196. #196 by Heather on October 7, 2011

    Wow I wonder what else they are hiding.

  197. #197 by Fullerton on October 7, 2011

    Like cop union and Fullerton City Hall, Fullerton Internal Investigation is incompetent, cowardice, and pratically useless.
    Together, these enteprise criminals are worse than crooks they suppose to protect us from.
    The Internal Affair, or whateve they called, should be part of the investigation, but chose to quiet. These murder cops are there to protect each other with high salary, nice overtime, powerful position, huge pension, etc.

  198. #198 by Hm? on October 7, 2011

    Is Tong a facist or something? How did this creep slip into the city? Is he originally from fullerton? Or is he just another parasite sucking a pay check at the expense of peace in the city?

  199. #199 by Hm? on October 7, 2011

    Tax farming cities should be made illegal.

  200. #200 by Hm? on October 7, 2011

    “Tax farming practices are believed to have contributed to the fall of the Roman empire”

    Read the whole thing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farm_(revenue_leasing)

  201. #201 by still love fullerton on October 7, 2011

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/thomas-320990-officers-leave.html

    heres Rons reason, maybe change your signs to protest the corupt pd…

    “Right now, we have two guys charged and in the criminal justice system,” Ron Thomas said Friday on why he called off the protests.
    Thomas wants to see what comes out of the FBI’s and Fullerton’s investigations before deciding when, or if, the protests will resume.

  202. #202 by merijoe #1 on October 7, 2011

    Cary Tong rating-but he always picked up food for the dispatchers

    http://www.ratemycop.com//index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=77943

  203. #203 by Wrong Guy on October 7, 2011

    It does make sense to cease protesting from Ron’s point of view considering what is in motion now.
    For those of us at the city council meeting the other night, we heard an explaination from City Attorney Jones as to why the council couldn’t discuss the case, fire the officers, etc.
    We also heard Michael Gennaco get up and speak about getting started on his investigation once he gets the Kelly Thomas file from the DA.
    Just today we learned that councilman Bruce Whitaker is looking into a ‘breach of contract’ on Chief Sellers, with the hopes of canning him as a result.
    At least at this point, we finally know the ‘slow wheels of justice’ are moving and they have been moving in the right direction.
    With all this in mind, I have decided NOT to show up and protest tomorrow. I may come by for a bit with my video camera though.

  204. #204 by merijoe #1 on October 7, 2011

    Congratulations the proud Tongs imagine only married since april and already expecting in january-must have conceived that night

    http://www.amazingregistry.com/baby-registry/Ivette-Tong/Cary-Tong/Registry.ashx?a=63948415#s=showRegistry

  205. #205 by College Park Codger on October 7, 2011

    Can Sellers rouse himself from his San Clemente gated enclave (his contract requires he live in Fullerton) to shed some light on this?

    Or does sick leave permit such an effort?

  206. #206 by TheMoron on October 7, 2011

    I hope for all of us that this whole cause doesn’t die a premature death. Sure, I believe we made a major impact with our unified presence and voices in bringing the Kelly Thomas incident to the world stage. But is the cause and the fights to come over, not by a long shot. If we don’t keep up the pressure, I predict we will have won the battle but may have lost the larger war. With all due respect to Ron Thomas, who I on a weekly basis had shaken his hand, looked into his eyes and pledged my unwavering support until justice was achieved, this wasn’t just about Kelly Thomas. It was about all those citizens who were wronged in the past by those officers who just knew they were above the law. It was for the groping victims, the beating victims, the frame job victims and all the others who just got gamed by the FPD. It was about a pattern of corruption that has been prevalent within the police department and the city government at large. This cause was about all of this and so much more.
    I live in Fullerton and will continue to live in Fullerton in the future. If we just assume things will change in the city, will I be safe from the FPD the next time I am recognized on the street ? Will the rest of you ? Will your sons, daughters, brothers, sisters or friends be the next victim. I pray not but I do believe the powers that be within the city and FPD will not go away or change easily if we let the cause die as so many current events and issues do all over the country.

    I have been to every council meeting and protest from the beginning and it has taken a toll on my personal life, but I felt it was worth it for my city, my country and my fellow citizens. I hope we are not disbanding the cause to soon and allowing the staus quo to once again prevail. Time will tell……

  207. #207 by Injustice on October 7, 2011

    Hmmm I wonder who broke his finger then? Oh, he must have did it himself while he was in jail. I wonder if that is in the police report….

  208. #208 by Brandon on October 7, 2011

    Not only are the thug po-po’s and thug po-po supporters unable to spell very well, but they obviously can’t read well either. The victim already mentioned he was charged and tried, but at least half dozen of these geniuses who posted after him asked him to admit his wrong-doing. How about you guys worry about your own issues. Just because your dad’s beat you or you got bullied in school doesn’t give you free reign to dole out testosterone filled beatings to those you feel aren’t respecting you enough. Oh and what’s up with all the anonymous cops/cop lovers here? Afraid to use your name? Afraid to go back to college and get that degree? Afraid to take on someone one on one without any weapons? A handcuffed victim, or 135 lb homeless man has about as much chance winning a fight against these armed gangs as one of them has beating me on the GRE’s or a debate. This is directed only toward the minority of cops out there who think they can do what they want and get away with it. For the majority of hardworking, law-abiding officers, thank-you for keeping the streets safe. To the rest of these overpaid thugs, keep creating more lawsuits and bad publicity for Fullerton. Oh, and what are you going to be doing once you’re fired for misconduct?

  209. #209 by Injustice on October 7, 2011

    Well said.

  210. #210 by Brandon on October 7, 2011

    Thanks

  211. #211 by merijoe #1 on October 7, 2011

    makes me wonder how many bodies they’ve buried in the back of the department

  212. #212 by blessusall on October 7, 2011

    TheMoron: I admire that you have the courage of your convictions and the willingness to act upon them. Thank you, fellow citizen, for your service. I mean that sincerely.

  213. #213 by TIGERMANLSU on October 7, 2011

    SOME REAL GOOD 30-06 LOVEING.

  214. #214 by blessusall on October 7, 2011

    It’s a scary thought but I suspect that what has been revealed is only the tip of the iceberg.

  215. #215 by blessusall on October 7, 2011

    The facial and brain injuries sound similar to those perpetrated on Kelly Thomas. Wonder if any of the F6 were off duty during this incident.

  216. #216 by Jeffrey Castaline on October 7, 2011

    …and all for the modest salary of ~80k/year + fringe benefits.

    I want a food delivery job like that.

  217. #217 by Dr. Zillman on October 7, 2011

    “Just today we learned that councilman Bruce Whitaker is looking into a ‘breach of contract’ on Chief Sellers, with the hopes of canning him as a result.”

    The Union will protect him, you can expect that. However, it would seem only fair that as taxpayers fund his salary, the taxpayers should have a right to know a specific medical reason for his inability to perform his duties for months.
    Stroke, M.I, (heart attack) severe hypotension, or some other very serious condition.

  218. #218 by blessusall on October 7, 2011

    Looks like Sellers with be McKinley’s fall guy.

  219. #219 by Tuna Truck on October 7, 2011

    didn’t you guys like me better when I was Reality Is…?

  220. #220 by Tuna Truck on October 7, 2011

    Then why are you here?

  221. #221 by Tuna Truck on October 7, 2011

    Also…calling people “Freaks” – are you in your 50s? Lol.

  222. #222 by 9c1copcar on October 7, 2011

    THE MORON,

    I will stop fighting when my heart stops beating warm blood into my cold, dead fingers. FEDUP and I will be marching shoulder-to-shoulder with you, your brother, and others tomorrow. Let those who want us to go away, clean up the garbage they call FPD, FCC, D.A., et al. And yes, et al can git crackin’ on it’s high horse, and be out of town by sundown.

  223. #223 by 9c1copcar on October 7, 2011

    Chief Sellers cannot go back to sitting at a desk with a mild blood pressure increase, however, they can send a psycho with one eye, to work the streets. I know the Chief was wincing, hoping Cicinelli did not have to use his weapon. What a huge law suit that would have been, had he shot, missed, and hit someone else. Yikes!

  224. #224 by Jeremiah Jones on October 7, 2011

    Tosh,
    That is some funny shit.

  225. #225 by merijoe #1 on October 7, 2011

    9c, what time you guys coming out tomorrow?

  226. #226 by jt on October 7, 2011

    merijoe #1 :Congratulations the proud Tongs imagine only married since april and already expecting in january-must have conceived that night
    http://www.amazingregistry.com/baby-registry/Ivette-Tong/Cary-Tong/Registry.ashx?a=63948415#s=showRegistry

    Wow! You be a psycho stalker.

  227. #227 by merijoe #1 on October 7, 2011

    and proudly-cant hide from merijoe dirty ass cops

  228. #228 by Ann Messersmith = Andy Goodrich on October 7, 2011

    “I seem to have upset you by asking some questions about this orchestrated case brought forth by you slandering the reputations of some fine police officers. One officer was found to be in violation of policy. The others were without error.”

    Fine officers hahahahaha!

    P.S., Some of us are old enough to remember Andy Messersmith, Andy Goodrich.

  229. #229 by The Fullerton Harpoon on October 7, 2011

    What a difference three months make. No more “fine officer” shit will sell around here.

  230. #230 by merijoe #1 on October 7, 2011

    Comissioner Kiger, it would be quite acceptable to us citizens if you spread fairy dust and only tell of the greatness of the fullerton leaders and police-then you wouldnt be misleading us with propaganda and we can continue to hear about people beat and maimed years later and they can continue to wrongly raid homes anytime and not say anything – we dont need to know that anyway-it just prejudices the mind -so remember that

  231. #231 by merijoe #1 on October 7, 2011

    fascist

  232. #232 by 9c1copcar on October 7, 2011

    Merijoe,

    We should be there around 11;00 or so.

  233. #233 by merijoe #1 on October 7, 2011

    lets start a business Paul

  234. #234 by merijoe #1 on October 7, 2011

    not in America

  235. #235 by merijoe #1 on October 7, 2011

    see you there

  236. #236 by Jt on October 7, 2011

    That wasn’t me. I’ve been hijacked now as have so many others. But, I would have said something similar, only I would have meant it as a real compliment.

  237. #237 by Jt on October 7, 2011

    Seriously. I don’t understand why some lawyer hasn’t noticed what is going on here and just started advertising for clients whom have been abused by the FPD. If I was a lawyer I’d be putting billboards up.

  238. #238 by merijoe #1 on October 7, 2011

    i took it as a compliment (dumb me)

  239. #239 by Reality Is on October 7, 2011

    LOL hi :)

  240. #240 by merijoe #1 on October 7, 2011

    go get em girl! so sorry that happened to you by especially by fascist pigs who werent punished 2 years ago-i got my camera now

  241. #241 by Jeffrey Castaline on October 7, 2011

    Defination of DURESS:

    Letting the police investigate the police.

    I have no more faith in FPD’s Internal Affairs Investigations than I have in the Fullerton City Council being fair minded and even handed.

    Gotta bring in the answers from Fed organizations. They have a thing for people who betray the public trust and then lie about it.

  242. #242 by TIGERMANLSU on October 8, 2011

    LATIMES YET ANOTHER PIG IN THE PEN, FOR RAPE. PAY BACK IS A BITCH YA BITCH.DOWN WITH MURDERING,LIEING,RAPEING,STEALING,PIG,S

  243. #244 by We Are All One on October 8, 2011

    Jt :

    admin :Makes you wonder if any FPD witnesses took the stand in this case.

    Makes me wonder again how many people have been wrongfully convicted and even imprisoned based on perjury by FPD officers.

    This

  244. #245 by howarepeoplesodumb on October 8, 2011

    i never comment on anything but how are you so f$%*ing stupid? how can you not understand what he’s saying? what he’s saying makes perfect sense who cares if it’s give or take an hour, much less 10 minutes? how can you focus on these ridiculous tiny details that have nothing to do with his experience with the cops? why he was supposedly arrested has absolutely NOTHING at all to do with how he was treated by police. everyone has the right to expect fair treatment from officers while in jail no matter what they were brought in for. just because someone might change something slightly in a retelling, especially timing, doesn’t mean their story isn’t true. just because you purchase alcohol or have some of a drink or few doesn’t even come close to meaning you’re drunk. you act like because you buy a drink that automatically makes you wasted which is ridiculous. & i’m sure a dr can tell the difference between a violent headbutt that would damage BOTH of you a lot more than, however painfully, crashing into the gate in the car. i mean you’ve seriously got to be kidding! every detail doesn’t have to be perfect for his story to be believable. there are enough consistencies for reasonable people including myself to believe him. you obviously don’t want to & probably aren’t going to whatever he said so please stop commenting.

  245. #246 by Jeffrey Castaline on October 8, 2011

    *FWAP!!*

    (Jeffrey smacks TIGERMANLUS upside the head with a limp trout.”

    ENOUGH already!! (-:

  246. #247 by Justme on October 10, 2011

    is this because you are in a way saying that the cops dirty as they are will now come after him to silence him? That wouldnt surprise me

  247. #248 by Justme on October 10, 2011

    I know of a Fullerton man, whom I have known for over 25 years, who sustained a SEVERE beating at the hands of FPD officers after a drunk driving incident where he fled from Police rather than pull over,…after a lengthy pursuit, he ended up crashing him motorcucle,…as if the injusries recieved from flying off of his bike werent severe enough, they then beat the hell out of him
    He was later encouraged to not press charges or speak of the event and the drunk driving and felony evading charges would be dropped,..of course he accepted the deal,…but AGAIN,…just another example of pure corruption in FPD.

  248. #249 by bob on October 10, 2011

    MY FELLOW PROTESTERS WE SHOULD CONTINUE EVERY SAT, OR WE WILL LOSE ALL OF THE MOMENTUM WE HAVE GAINED. I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR RON T. ALL OF THIS CORRUTION MUST BE MADE PUBLIC IF NOT ALL OF THESE COVER UPS WILL CONTINUE AND THE RECALL WILL BE USELESS. SO I SAY CONTINUE THE FIGHT FOR JUSTICE………………..

  249. #250 by larry on March 28, 2012

    Good one. LOL!

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