Don Bankhead, Champion of Ethics and Civil Rights!


 

Laughing all the way to the Blank. Head.

But not recently.

Politicians should always be careful about what they say. The public has a nasty habit of remembering their pronouncements.

Back in 1990 during his failed bid for County Sheriff (remember, right before his “total disability” pension claim), Don Bankhead needed a hook to get folks interested in his bad comb-over, lackluster self. So he discovered that he was really a reformer who was interested in establishing an “ethics unit” at the OCSD, you know to clean up the mess over there. Read all about it in an LA Times article, here. Enjoy the rich irony as Bankhead pontificates:

We’ll put the shine back on the badge and we’ll all have a good clean Sheriff’s Department,” Bankhead said. “If no one’s rights are violated, we won’t get sued.”

Now fast forward to Tuesday night’s Fullerton City Council Closed Session Agenda that is littered with lawsuits against Fullerton and its lawless police department. If ever there was a department in need of an ethics unit it would be the FPD – over which Bankhead has refused to provide civilian oversight since 1988.

In the past few months the media has learned of FPD personnel charged, convicted, or alleged to have participated in grand theft, credit card fraud, kidnapping and sexual battery, assault, false arrest, and perjury, all culminating in the brutal bludgeoning death of a mentally-ill homeless man. And Mr. Ethics? Silent as a graveyard.

A word of advice, Mr. Bankhead. Time to get going establishing that ethics unit where it will do the most good. In your own department.

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  1. #1 by Paul on September 20, 2011

    Blankhead and his two buddies on city council need to come up with something or some system for oversight of the FPD. The civil suits will add up to multi multi millions and Fullerton due to the conservative politics of the 2 blind mice city councilmen, is a self insured city. This means your taxpayers and residents will have to actually pay out the monies. With all the suits and all tied together, the total settlement sums will be terrible just when unemployment in the state and city seems permanent.

  2. #2 by Jt on September 20, 2011

    Actually, he first needs to install that ethics unit into his own brain, heart, and soul. Provided he actually has a functioning one of each of these.

  3. #3 by peanut on September 20, 2011

    I do not live in Fullerton, but in one of the neighboring cities, I have followed this since July, and am stunned that these three men have no moral fiber, do they not have famlies, wives, children, grandchildren. Are they unaware of the message that they are sending them.

  4. #4 by TheFullertonWatcher on September 20, 2011

    The three blind mice have no need for ethics, they want total leadership with no oversight or questioning of ther decisions.

    • #5 by Huh? on September 21, 2011

      No, actually they want no leadership and no accountability.

      They like being stroked but don’t really want to do any work.

      The city council are actually the most grossly overpaid employees in the city based on what they actually do.

  5. #6 by Anonymous II on September 20, 2011

    WHO: Orange County District Attorney (OCDA) Tony Rackauckas

    WHAT: Received today the Coroner’s Report from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department regarding the cause of death of Kelly Thomas. District Attorney Rackauckas will hold a press conference tomorrow to discuss his filing decision following the OCDA’s investigation of six Fullerton Police Department officers in the death of Thomas.

    WHEN: Press conference will be held tomorrow, Wednesday, Sept. 21, 2011, at 11:00 a.m.

    WHERE: First floor law library, OCDA’s Office, 401 Civic Center Drive W., Santa Ana

    http://www.orangecountyda.com/home/index.asp?page=8&recordid=2580&returnurl=index%2Easp%3Fpage%3D8

    • #7 by Sapporo on September 20, 2011

      I just saw that announced on Ch 7 news. I hope we get some justice!!!!

      • #8 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

        They’re not conducting joint agency riot drills in preparation of a murder charge. :)

        • #9 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

          I do not follow what you are saying….
          could you be clearer?

      • #10 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

        Will channel 7 be covering the press conference live at 11:00 a.m.?

        • #11 by Jen on September 21, 2011

          I think he is trying to say that people will riot when/if they find out few or nobody is being charged. Why else prepare? Remember northern california…the cop that shot the guy in the back while he was on the ground, cuffed and subdued. Couldn’t tell the difference between a taser and a gun…tasers and guns are SO similar (sarcasm). He got a slap on the wrist. And that was in an liberal town folks.

    • #12 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

      Hope FFFF shows up. Need to make a reservation.

      • #13 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

        Ron Thomas should attend.

        • #14 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

          Yes, but can he since he is not media? What about attorneys?

          • #15 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

            Doug Zerby’s family attended the news conference in Long Beach and Latice Sutton’s family attended the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Dept news conference.

        • #16 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

          If there is a problem, a media outlet like KTLA or KFI could get an extra invitation for him.

        • #17 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

          KFI just said ron is not going to be there, the DA blocked him also they havent talked to Ron about the findings and don’t intend to until after the news conference.

          • #18 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

            really? blocked him?
            How?

          • #19 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

            Said hes not allowed there and they’re only allowing 1 reporter for every outlet, they have to list the equipment they’re bringing and so on.

            The KFI reporter said Ron be viewing from a news van.

          • #20 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

            What news van? what channel?

          • #21 by Fruit Fly on September 20, 2011

            They never said which channel but it’ll probably be KTLA.

          • #22 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

            that’s channel 5 right?

          • #23 by ExPat ExLawyer on September 21, 2011

            Facism is widespread among prosecutors. Disgusting.

  6. #24 by BREAKING NEWS! on September 20, 2011

    MEDIA ADVISORY

    *Please note: No additional information or interviews will be available prior to the press conference

    WHO: Orange County District Attorney (OCDA) Tony Rackauckas

    WHAT: Received today the Coroner’s Report from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department regarding the cause of death of Kelly Thomas. District Attorney Rackauckas will hold a press conference tomorrow to discuss his filing decision following the OCDA’s investigation of six Fullerton Police Department officers in the death of Thomas.

    WHEN: Press conference will be held tomorrow, Wednesday, Sept. 21, 2011, at 11:00 a.m.

    WHERE: First floor law library, OCDA’s Office, 401 Civic Center Drive W., Santa Ana

    The following is important information for any media interested in attending the press conference:

    In order to accommodate all media, and due to the high interest in this case, media will be permitted to attend by reservation only. Reservation requests must be submitted in writing by e-mail to Farrah.Emami@da.ocgov.com no later than 7:30 p.m. PST today, Tuesday, Sept. 20, 2011. Phone call and late reservation requests will not be accepted.

    Please include all of the following in your written media reservation requests: the names of the media personnel wishing to attend, their job function (e.g. TV reporter, newspaper reporter, photographer, etc.) and the equipment they would bring (e.g. still, video, audio). Media are asked to limit their reservations to one reporter, one still photographer, and one videographer per agency. Any requests for exceptions must be made in writing.

    Upon receipt of reservation requests, media will be sent a confirmation e-mail regarding their press conference reservation. The OCDA will try to accommodate all requests but makes no guarantees. Media will receive their reservation confirmation no later than 8:30 p.m. PST today, Tuesday, Sept. 20, 2011.

    Media must receive confirmation in order to attend. In addition to a reservation confirmation, media personnel must display their official press credentials issued by a law enforcement agency in order to be admitted. Media who do not have both a reservation confirmation and official press credentials upon arrival will not be admitted. No exceptions will be made.

    http://orangecountyda.com/home/index.asp?page=8&recordid=2580&returnurl=index.asp%3Fpage%3D8

    • #25 by Fred Alcazar on September 20, 2011

      A lotta hoopla surrounding the DAs latest lame whitewash.

      Minor charges but just enough to justify not releasing the video “we’re prosecuting a case and this is now evidence.”

      Wouldn’t want to taint potential jurors now would we.

      Wait for the latest episode of “Cover Up Rackauckas.”

    • #26 by T-Rack The Klown on September 20, 2011

      Reservations? What a load of pure bullshit. That room will hold 200 freaking people.

      Tony doesn’t do well in unscripted events.

      • #27 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

        He only has room for the Register editorial staff.

    • #28 by ExPat ExLawyer on September 21, 2011

      And a special front row seat is reserved for Lou Ponsi-scheme.

  7. #29 by UNORIGINAL DOPE! on September 20, 2011

    MEDIA ADVISORY

    *Please note: No additional information or interviews will be available prior to the press conference

    WHO: Orange County District Attorney (OCDA) Tony Rackauckas

    WHAT: Received today the Coroner’s Report from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department regarding the cause of death of Kelly Thomas. District Attorney Rackauckas will hold a press conference tomorrow to discuss his filing decision following the OCDA’s investigation of six Fullerton Police Department officers in the death of Thomas.

    WHEN: Press conference will be held tomorrow, Wednesday, Sept. 21, 2011, at 11:00 a.m.

    WHERE: First floor law library, OCDA’s Office, 401 Civic Center Drive W., Santa Ana

    The following is important information for any media interested in attending the press conference:

    In order to accommodate all media, and due to the high interest in this case, media will be permitted to attend by reservation only. Reservation requests must be submitted in writing by e-mail to Farrah.Emami@da.ocgov.com no later than 7:30 p.m. PST today, Tuesday, Sept. 20, 2011. Phone call and late reservation requests will not be accepted.

    Please include all of the following in your written media reservation requests: the names of the media personnel wishing to attend, their job function (e.g. TV reporter, newspaper reporter, photographer, etc.) and the equipment they would bring (e.g. still, video, audio). Media are asked to limit their reservations to one reporter, one still photographer, and one videographer per agency. Any requests for exceptions must be made in writing.

    Upon receipt of reservation requests, media will be sent a confirmation e-mail regarding their press conference reservation. The OCDA will try to accommodate all requests but makes no guarantees. Media will receive their reservation confirmation no later than 8:30 p.m. PST today, Tuesday, Sept. 20, 2011.

    Media must receive confirmation in order to attend. In addition to a reservation confirmation, media personnel must display their official press credentials issued by a law enforcement agency in order to be admitted. Media who do not have both a reservation confirmation and official press credentials upon arrival will not be admitted. No exceptions will be made.

    http://orangecountyda.com/home/index.asp?page=8&recordid=2580&returnurl=index.asp%3Fpage%3D8

  8. #30 by Sapporo on September 20, 2011

    i hope the corrupt cops are squirming right now. I heard that Hampton was “bragging” about the beating of Kelly Thomas the days after the beating. Sick son of a bitch.

    • #31 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

      No, that was jay cincinelli.

      • #32 by Fred Alcazar on September 20, 2011

        What’s the difference, other than pigmentation?

        • #33 by Stud Lee on September 20, 2011

          Hehe…pigmentation…hehehe

          • #34 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

            Pun intended:)

    • #35 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

      Recap from the “The Informant” on KFI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yo4iOWDZ9o

      Around 5:00 he said hampton got on scene after the initial beating and had to back off because blood was spurting out of Kelly’s head.

      • #36 by LeRoy Murray on September 20, 2011

        That’s right the informant said before that Hampton tried to handcuff him but had to back off because the blood was flying everywhere getting on his uniform from the one that was beating Mr Thomas in the head and face with the butt of the tazer.

        • #37 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

          Does anyone know where the informant said he got his information…

          • #38 by Joe Blow on September 20, 2011

            It has to be someone inside FPD. I think the original call said he was a friend of FPD or something like that.

          • #39 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

            He was a cop from La Habra. They don’t like their Fullerton bros cause FPD get paid more

          • #40 by T N Z on September 21, 2011

            ^^ Typical dumb meat head cop

      • #41 by We Are All One on September 20, 2011

        corrupt: “They need to just show the video and let people form their own opinions.”

        Yes, but we’re just stupid sheep and we’re not supposed to form our own opinions. Bahh..

  9. #42 by One for the books on September 20, 2011

    Beating someone on the head with a blunt object IS intent to KILL!!

  10. #43 by beavis on September 20, 2011

    Justice for Kelley Thomas! Give those FPD a fair trial then hang ‘em high.

  11. #44 by corrupt on September 20, 2011

    They need to just show the video and let people form their own opinions. Ra ca-ca has been in seclusion and I bet those skunk stripes are a little larger and whiter on the sides of his head….. He needs that cop union money for the next election. Riot cops practicing… please….. this is not Compton, they would be better off lining up in front of the welfare office because that is where the riots will start. When the masses of leaches do not get their checks because the “guvment” blew all the money then the chaos will begin. Until then people will demand justice against murdering cops. Even if Ra ca-ca goes easy civil rights have been tramped upon and the greatest right a person has is his life. NOPD cops are serving life sentences for killing innocents due to civil rights trials…… These murders will do the same.

    • #45 by worker class on September 21, 2011

      will General Relief lead the charge of these anti guvment riots?

  12. #46 by LeRoy Murray on September 20, 2011

    Probably baby steps, but steps, hopefully in the right direction. He should know by now that we all know intent or no intent isn’t relevent under the Felony Murder Rule, and everybody knows it was brain death due to injuries received from the beatdown. As well as we all know about accessories before and after the fact. These all sort of limit his options to whitewash. I hope.

  13. #47 by R.D. on September 20, 2011

    GREAT NEWS! Just heard on the news that the Coroner has released the reports to the D.A.! The D.A. has scheduled a news conference for tomorrow at 11:00 a.m.

  14. #48 by Associated Press on September 20, 2011

    DA gets autopsy report on death of homeless man

    By GILLIAN FLACCUS
    Associated Press

    SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) — Prosecutors in Southern California say they have received the autopsy report for a mentally ill homeless man who died after a violent confrontation with six police officers.

    The Orange County district attorney’s office said Tuesday they received the cause of death for 37-year-old Kelly Thomas and will hold a news conference Wednesday to announce whether any of the officers will face charges.

    Six Fullerton police officers were placed on paid administrative leave after the July 5 clash with Thomas.

    He suffered severe head and neck injuries and was taken off life support five days later.

    The case outraged residents in the suburbs southeast of Los Angeles and spurred protests, a recall effort and an investigation by the FBI.

  15. #49 by newbie on September 20, 2011

    corrupt :
    They need to just show the video and let people form their own opinions. Ra ca-ca has been in seclusion and I bet those skunk stripes are a little larger and whiter on the sides of his head….. He needs that cop union money for the next election. Riot cops practicing… please….. this is not Compton, they would be better off lining up in front of the welfare office because that is where the riots will start. When the masses of leaches do not get their checks because the “guvment” blew all the money then the chaos will begin. Until then people will demand justice against murdering cops. Even if Ra ca-ca goes easy civil rights have been tramped upon and the greatest right a person has is his life. NOPD cops are serving life sentences for killing innocents due to civil rights trials…… These murders will do the same.

    SADLY, YOU ARE CORRECT THE D A IS CONCERNED ABOUT HIS POLITICAL FUTURE, NOT THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF THE LOW LIFE IN SOCIETY.THE D A HAS LARGE AMBITIONS AND THEY WILL MATERALIZE AFTER HE ENDS THIS FOOLISHNESS IN FULLERTON. HE WILL DECLARE THAT NO CRIME WAS COMMITED BY HIS CONTRIBUTORS. GET USED TO IT. GET OUT OF DODGE. THE BOYS ARE BACK IN THE SADDLE WEDS AT 11 AM.

    • #50 by merijoe#1 on September 20, 2011

      it anit over til the fat cop sings, the end of the line isnt with ra cock ass-there are more levels to climb until there is justice- this “foolishness’ continues get used to it and SNAP

  16. #51 by Los Angeles Times on September 20, 2011

    Ron Thomas said Tuesday evening that he had not seen the coroner’s report.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/kelly-thomas-autopsy-police-beating.html

  17. #53 by Wolfman's Brother on September 20, 2011

    If this is such a BIG story, why don’t they move the press conference to one of the LARGE rooms nearby, like the supervisors chambers? or Outside? perhaps because the Law Library looks dignified.

    The spin is on.

    I’ll watch it on TV and then head to the Olde Ship(in Santa Ana) where the DA staff drinks on Wednesdays! Thats where the truth comes out……..After a few boddingtons!

    • #54 by T-Rack The Klown on September 20, 2011

      The Law Library in the DAs Bldg. is enormous. It will hold half of Santa Ana. They are trying to control who gets in. Bad sign, folks.

      The bargain with the devil has been made.

      • #55 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

        Agreed. If any serious charges were in the works, we’d hear of people getting arrested immediately.

        Not after a press conference.

        • #56 by ExPat ExLawyer on September 21, 2011

          In the rare police getting charged scenarios, they are typically given the special privilege of getting a summons to appear instead of being arrested. The rest of the indicia of how this will come down don’t seem hopeful. But I wouldn’t draw too much from lack of arrests.

          Even if they face felony charges, cops are special.

  18. #57 by friend on September 20, 2011

    so they only need a couple minutes with this coroner’s report after waiting months to do a “thorough investigation”?

    it happens to come 2 weeks to the day after they said it would be 2 weeks or less.

    it happens to come conveniently AFTER the City Council meeting tonight.

    kelly’s army should show up tomorrow and wait at the door if they can’t get inside.

  19. #58 by friend on September 20, 2011

    shouldn’t ron thomas and his family get a look at the coroner’s report before the public at large?

    • #59 by ExPat ExLawyer on September 21, 2011

      The public at large should already have gotten a look at it. We pay them, and the plaintiff in a DA filing is called “The People of the State of California.”

      This is the same reason all the Ron-haters are off target.

  20. #60 by Surfer Dude on September 20, 2011

    How come that dude’s head is so small compared to the rest of his body?

    That dude has a gnarly small head!

  21. #61 by merijoe#1 on September 20, 2011

    Autopsy is ready – gee, I wonder what it says

    Im sure Ron and his lawyer already have seen the official autopsy report

    Wonder what is meant by no fingerprinting will be done before the conference

  22. #62 by AP update on September 20, 2011

    DA gets autopsy report on death of homeless man

    By GILLIAN FLACCUS
    Associated Press

    SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) — Prosecutors said Tuesday they have received a report on the cause of death for a mentally ill homeless man who died this summer after a violent confrontation with six police officers.

    Orange County District Attorney Tony Rackauckas will hold a news conference Wednesday to announce whether his office will file criminal charges against the Fullerton officers. The FBI has also launched a probe to determine if officers violated the civil rights of Kelly Thomas, 37, during the July 5 altercation.

    A spokesman for the sheriff-coroner did not return repeated calls Tuesday. The district attorney spokeswoman, Farrah Emami, said no further details about the district attorney’s findings would be released until the news conference.

    Officers responding to reports of someone burglarizing cars at a transportation hub in Fullerton got into a violent fight with Thomas, who suffered from schizophrenia.

    He suffered severe head and neck injuries and was taken off life support on July 10.

    Video from a bystander’s cellphone taken from a distance showed parts of the bloody encounter between the officers and Thomas, including a snippet in which he can be heard screaming for his father. Surveillance video aboard a bus showed agitated passengers saying officers beat and repeatedly used a stun gun on him.

    An autopsy initially failed to determine the cause of death pending further tests.

    Since the incident, six officers were put on paid administrative leave, the police chief went out on medical leave and the embattled city council hired a law enforcement expert to investigate the police department’s practices.

    Incensed community members held weekly demonstrations in Fullerton outside the police headquarters and started an effort to recall the mayor and two councilmembers over the incident.

    Thomas’ father, Ron Thomas, filed a claim against the city and two other men came forward with allegations they were also mistreated by Fullerton police. One of them said he had been mistakenly arrested and filed a civil rights lawsuit.

    Ron Thomas said he was contacted by the district attorney’s office late Tuesday, but not told what prosecutors had decided.

    He has previously released his son’s medical records from the University of California, Irvine, Medical Center, which showed Thomas suffered broken bones in his face, choked on his own blood and was repeatedly shocked with two stun guns.

    “There’s no relief at all,” he said. “I don’t care really how long it takes as long as it’s the right decision.”

  23. #63 by 9c1copcar on September 20, 2011

    I listened to KFI, and they said it will be a middle-ground charge. No side will be happy.

    • #64 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

      No side will be happy …except for the murders who got off with a light charge.

    • #65 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

      what is middle ground in a case like this?

      • #66 by calwatch on September 20, 2011

        Voluntary manslaughter max for the two main officers, zero for the bystanders. Clearly at least second degree murder for Cicinelli is deserved.

        • #67 by ExPat ExLawyer on September 21, 2011

          I think VM carries a six max. Loser in Oakland Bart “mistook gun for taser” case got only two, and served only one.

          I think your guess is accurate. Less than three hours to find out. Freaking finally.

    • #68 by corrupt on September 20, 2011

      Whats your take on a civil rights case 91?

    • #69 by Ted J on September 20, 2011

      In KFI’s broadcast today, they interviewed Tony Bushala he said the charges will be “agravated assault”. Whip de dee. That’s what they would charge me or you for spitting on a cop’s shoe

      • #70 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

        Is that a misdemeanor or a felony?

        • #71 by ExPat ExLawyer on September 21, 2011

          Aggravated assault is a felony, and I believe it has a higher maximum sentence than manslaughter.

  24. #72 by OC Weekly on September 20, 2011

    Around 4:40 p.m today, the Orange County Sheriff’s Department, whose agency includes the coroner’s division, had “just turned the autopsy report” in the Thomas beating death case over to the DA’s office, according to sheriff’s spokesman Jim Amormino.

    The DA issued its press release announcing tomorrow’s press conference just before 5 p.m.

    Upon hearing the news of the DA’s press conference, Kelly Thomas’ father, Ron Thomas, told the Weekly he was feeling “antsy.”

    Thomas said he asked the DA’s office if he could attend the press conference but was told he couldn’t.

    “Family is never allowed in for something like this,” Thomas says someone at the DA’s office told him.

    That same person did indicate, however, that OCDA representatives want to speak to Thomas immediately after the press conference.

    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/09/kelly_thomas_charges_district.php

  25. #73 by Maria on September 20, 2011

    Family never allowed? That’s a line of BS if I ever heard one!

  26. #74 by Jane H on September 20, 2011

    Let’s get this thing moving once for all. I hope Mr. DA does the RIGHT thing!

    This waiting, and waiting, and waiting has been tortuous. I can’t even imagine how Kelly’s family feels right now. It might be a sleepless night for some.

  27. #75 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

    Anonymous :
    Said hes not allowed there and they’re only allowing 1 reporter for every outlet, they have to list the equipment they’re bringing and so on.
    The KFI reporter said Ron be viewing from a news van.

    afraid of the baseball bat.. that they deserve upside their heads when weak charges come out and they try to get their buddy off on “Temp Insanity”

  28. #76 by friend on September 20, 2011

    someone deletes my posts when i link to a facebook page for Justice for Kelly Thomas.

    it doesn’t compete with FFFF. i only increases the amount of clicks you guys receive, if that’s what you concerned with.

    we’re all on the same team.

    why be so petty?

  29. #77 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

    Anonymous :
    Is it or will it ever be available and if so available to whom, family, attorneys,?
    Is the coroner releasing information pertaining to the case number on this document?
    http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Kelly-Thomas-Medical-Records.pdf

    no legal knowledge but I bet it is free to the lawyer after the conference

  30. #78 by friendly on September 20, 2011

    why do my posts get deleted when i link to a facebook page for Justice for Kelly Thomas?

    we’re on the same team. i’m not trying to take away clicks to FFFF, but am only increasing them – this must be what you’re concerned about.

    why be so petty?

  31. #79 by My Username Rocks on September 20, 2011

    The fix is in.

  32. #80 by fedupwithmorons on September 20, 2011

    Not all FPD cops are bad???? Prove it!

  33. #81 by fedupwithmorons on September 20, 2011

    Party like its 1773!!

  34. #82 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

    friendly :
    why do my posts get deleted when i link to a facebook page for Justice for Kelly Thomas?
    we’re on the same team. i’m not trying to take away clicks to FFFF, but am only increasing them – this must be what you’re concerned about.
    why be so petty?

    I think the software has a glitch on posts with links.. my posts with links say “awaiting moderation” or something similar but some don’t even show that .. they just don’t even show up

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    Be Impeccable With Your Words
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  35. #83 by Joe Blow on September 20, 2011

    Aw man. Why’d they have to cut that lady. She was on fire.

  36. #84 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

    Anonymous :
    what is middle ground in a case like this?

    If any one of the 6 keeps their jobs and retirement bennies.. the city should remove the Fullerton Police Department by any means necessart

    • #85 by ExPat ExLawyer on September 21, 2011

      At least based on observing these cases in other parts of the country, their union contracts mandate they keep their pensions even if they get convicted of a felony.

      Note Reality Is’s comments on the subject in agreement with my reading on this. Why do you think your state is broke? Get rid of the unions; get to the root of the problem. This case is about Kelly, yes. But it goes beyond one person and one case.

      • #86 by Reality Is on September 21, 2011

        I hear ya. The problem is that the pay, benefits, and retirement packages were all fine before the crash. Now it’s a matter of trimming things in an manner that is agreeable and manageable. Unions aren’t going anywhere for many reasons.

  37. #87 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

    The public comments …thingy at the city is open

    http://fullerton.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&event_id=37

  38. #88 by Joe Blow on September 20, 2011

    CSUF Prof did a great job

    • #89 by Curious on September 20, 2011

      JB, I totally agree.

  39. #90 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

    Anonymous :
    The public comments …thingy at the city is open
    http://fullerton.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&event_id=37

    They just muted dude.. he was on a roll

    • #91 by Joe Blow on September 20, 2011

      They’ve muted a bunch of people. 3 minutes & the time is up.

  40. #92 by Peaches on September 20, 2011

    Someone on the Justice For Kelly FB page asked what broadcast media outlets may be at the press conference; given the scheduled 11 a.m. start time, I would guess Channel 7 (11 a.m. newscast), KTLA (1 p.m. newscast) and KCAL (noon newscast) at a minimum. KNX 1070 possibly also

    • #93 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

      What about channel 5?

    • #94 by merijoe#1 on September 20, 2011

      kfi for sure

  41. #95 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

    what is wrong with the audio

    • #96 by Joe Blow on September 20, 2011

      They mute everyone at 3 minutes.

    • #97 by Fruit Fly on September 20, 2011

      Audio sounds really distorted tonight.

      • #98 by Joe Blow on September 20, 2011

        It was like that before also. When the people get too loud or too close to the mic.

        • #99 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

          No it wasnt. Microphone gain is up too high. They need to adjust it.

      • #100 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

        I’m getting a headache trying so hard to make out the words. :(

  42. #101 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

    call the cops Jones and see wtf happens boyeeeee

  43. #102 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

    TEAR DOWN THE WALL!

    TEAR DOWN THE WALL!

    TEAR DOWN THE WALL!

    TEAR DOWN THE WALL!

    TEAR DOWN THE WALL!

    TEAR DOWN THE WALL!

  44. #103 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

    That fat fuck just called a 10 min recess then high tailed it out of there.

  45. #104 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

    Anonymous :
    That fat fuck just called a 10 min recess then high tailed it out of there.

    He had better things to rather than fix his city

  46. #105 by merijoe#1 on September 20, 2011

    no he di’int -that colonel sanders lookalike jusr got all pearl clutchy and huffed away to a recess-haha-he had no control

  47. #106 by blessusall on September 20, 2011

    Ah, man, I just tuned in for the last two people and they recessed. I am watching this from afar but I must say that I am so impressed by Fullertons for showing up, speaking out, and having the courage of your convictions! You totally rock! I hope you will continue to be engaged and attend the council meetings. They are so not used to having answer to the people. Well, obviously…that’s why he recessed and walked out. Bless you for being a voice for the powerless and disenfranchised, for people like Kelly Thomas who have no voice. As long as people stand up for what is right and seek truth and justice, his life, and his death, will not be in vain. This is how good can come from tragedy.

  48. #107 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 20, 2011

    A week ago yesterday I predicted we would hear from the DA in “as short as a week.”

    Interestingly, it will be right about ten weeks since Kelly Thomas was murdered. The autopsy of Costa Mesa City Hall jumper Huy Phan took a full ten weeks as well.

    So tell me, all you cover-up conspiracy therorists (you know who you are :) ) here at FFF, was there a cover-up in the Huy Phan case too? Or is this ten weeks about what it takes these days for a full toxicology test and autopsy?

    • #108 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 20, 2011

      Here’s the link to my “prediction:”

      http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/reading-the-tea-leaves-parsing-the-statements-out-of-the-das-office/#comment-54748

      Man, what a crystal ball I had… and all I had to do to figure it out was stop believeing everything I was reading on FFF and take a look at how long the tox report and autopsy took in another recent high profile case.

      • #109 by T N Z on September 20, 2011

        Of course you “predicted” it. You work for the DA don’t you Susan Kang?

        • #110 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 20, 2011

          :)

          You can do better than that!

          Come on and tell me a few more times that the long wait for the Thomas tox report and autopsy is the result of a do-nothing DA trying to protect his buddies in law enforcement by dragging this out as long as possible! And don’t forget to tell me also why the Huy Phan tox and autopsy took the exact same amount of time. Was that too the result of a cover-up by a do-nothing DA to protect a cokehead? lol

          Oh and make sure you keep those tin foil hats tilted toword Santa Ana at all times. :)

          • #111 by T N Z on September 20, 2011

            make sure you keep those tin foil hats tilted toword Santa Ana at all times.

            Why would I do that Susan Kang?

            …to be honest, I don’t get the reference.

          • #112 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 20, 2011

            I have an idea, I’ll explain my dumb joke, if you explain to me the coincidence in the Thomas autopsy taking the exact same amount of time as the Huy Phan autopsy? Was that one also part of a sinister plot by the do-nothing DA?

            You go first.

      • #113 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

        Feel free to thank me for asking you over and again for an answer, EYE, :)
        Since you are so good at predicting, don’t hold back now with your thoughts on how tomorrow will go down…
        city council is on a 10 minute recess so I’m all hears.

        • #114 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

          I am hearing *crickets* again EYE :)

          I am interested in how you think tomorrow will go.

        • #115 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 20, 2011

          Thanks, but you didn’t exactly ask me over and again, read our exchange again. I answered you right away that I thought it would be around ten weeks, based on the Huy Phan time frame. I guess I wasn’t clear enough so you asked me again for a precise date. I did not see this request before you asked again, and when I did see your request for clarification, I delivered.

          As for predicting what’s going to happen tomorrow, without knowing what’s in the toxicology and autopsy reports, I really have no idea. That being said, I believe the DA will bring serious charges if the autopsy report is not unfavorable to prosecution.

          Some are saying “aggravated assault” for the lesser offenders and more serious charges for at least one. But in California there is no such thing as aggravated assault, the correct term is Assault with a Deadly Weapon, and in this case there would obviously be the enhancement of Gross Bodily Injury. And while Assault with a Deadly Weapon is a wobbler, meaning it can be tried as a misdemeanor or a felony, the enhancement would seem to preclude anything but felony charges. So we would have ADW with GBI.

          Under the sentencing guidelines ADW with GBI is punishable by 2 to 4 years in prison and up to a $10,000 fine per count. If the video supports, counts could be added per blow. “Under color of authority” could be another enhancement, possibly adding another couple of years per count.

          With this in mind, and with these charges, one could reasonably hope for justice in the form of 10 to 15 years in prison for the worst and 2 to 5 for the lesser offenders. That’s the best I would hope for, though I do continue to believe Thomas was murdered.

          And without knowing the results of the tox test and autopsy, I’m guessing in the dark and just going on what I’ve heard others close to the situation speculate as to probable charges, including FFF’s Tony Bushala today on KFI, who went with the ‘aggravated assault’ bit but seemed to think it would be a slap on the wrist. The only way that’ll be true is if they charge ADW as a misdemeanor, and I just don’t see that happening. They would have to come up with something else.

          Tomorrow should be interesting, for justice, for the legal implications, and for its possible future effect on the career aspirations of one longtime OC DA. He better have damn good, easily understood by the general public reasons for whatever he has decided to do.

          • #116 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

            Thanks, for your take on that EYE.

          • #117 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 20, 2011

            My pleasure, and again, thanks for the opportunities.

  49. #118 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

    “WILL YA PLEASE SHUT UP?” – Mayah Dick Jones

  50. #119 by still love fullerton on September 20, 2011

    omg dick jones is like a child throwing a tantrum !!! runs to his room if he doesn’t get his way!!

  51. #120 by merijoe#1 on September 20, 2011

    WTF did mayor mc cheese just tell everyone to shut up?

    • #121 by T N Z on September 20, 2011

      I thought he was about to fling his gavel into the audience.

  52. #122 by O.C. Register update on September 20, 2011

    Both of Thomas’ parents spoke of the impending D.A. decision outside a Fullerton City Council meeting on Tuesday night.

    Cathy Thomas, Kelly Thomas’ mother, said she was nervous but excited to learn the outcome of the D.A.’s investigation. She said that all six officers should be held accountable, even if they just watched the confrontation.

    “I couldn’t see it come out anything but holding the officers responsible,” Cathy Thomas said. “That is the way it would be for regular people, why shouldn’t it be that way for them?”

    Ron Thomas, Kelly Thomas’ father, said he has been told that he won’t be allowed in the news conference, but that District Attorney Tony Rackauckas plans to speak to him personally after the announcement is made, a fact that makes him nervous.

    “There is no way in the world he is going to charge all six,” Ron Thomas said. “But he should charge at least two.”

    Fullerton Police Sgt. Andrew Goodrich said the department is preparing for any “potential unrest” after the D.A.’s announcement.

    “We do not expect any, but we are prepared,” Goodrich said.

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/death-318074-thomas-district.html

  53. #123 by still love fullerton on September 20, 2011

    LOL and stormed out of the room again.!!!

  54. #124 by newbie on September 20, 2011

    After the D A earns those many thick brown envelopes by tossing out all charges at his press conference weds, he will then call in favors and have this website closed. Any further protest in Fullerton will be dealt with by the new riot squad led by the exonerated cops .

    • #125 by corrupt on September 20, 2011

      That will not happen, go to http://www.policecrimes.com … this guy is over the top and actually offers rewards for things, they have not been able to shut him down…. and they have tried.

  55. #126 by 9c1copcar on September 20, 2011

    Assault Under The Color Of Authority,
    Manslaughter
    Aggravated Assault
    Aggravated Mayhem

    These are the minimum charges I would prosecute under if I was the D.A.. I would also reject any plea.

  56. #127 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

    I don’t want to add insult to injury but where the hell did you guys get this clown? Telling people to “shut-up, shut-up”. WTF. Are you kidding? I don’t think I have ever seen such a display of disrespect from ANY public figure. He’s a nut job. How do you guys stand it???? Doesn’t he realize that his yelling and disrespect, not to mention complete lack of leadership and appropriate action, are just INCITING people. OMG!!! Does he want unrest?

    • #128 by LIF on September 20, 2011

      “Does he want unrest?”

      Apparently so.

      great post Cindy Mc., I couldn’t agree with you more.

      the whole damn place is corrupt, 6 weeks ago…… I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt of some sanity, not anymore. I was born in Fullerton, I am heart broken and mad as hell, all at the same time.

      • #129 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

        It’s definitely is a SAD situation but you guys are bringing it. I really think they’ve drug this out to try to wear you guys down. DON”T LET IT HAPPEN!!! If it was someone they really wanted answers on they would’ve had them long ago. Someone posting something like it’s not a conspiracy because another case took about that long….COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT. FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT!!!

    • #130 by Jt on September 20, 2011

      We appreciate the comic relief.

    • #131 by Reality Is on September 21, 2011

      I was surprised he has such big balls still. He clearly doesn’t give a shit about the recall and the activist Bashala group that wants him out. He made it clear tonight that he’s running the show and not you guys. Pretty wild. I thought he would be quiet now and just listen. He’s in it for the long haul or until he dies.

      • #132 by Cindy Mc on September 21, 2011

        Yes he obviously has the power…now. That WILL change. As you know I don’t live in Fullerton but this clown is an embarassment to any American. Yeah, let someone out of the country take a look at the coucil meeting. Yikes!

  57. #133 by 9c1copcar on September 20, 2011

    FEDUP and I would love to have been there. It sounds like a clown convention with those doofus’ up there.

  58. #134 by ziggy on September 20, 2011

    What she say

  59. #135 by 9c1copcar on September 20, 2011

    I would also add 2nd Degree Murder.

  60. #136 by Michael G on September 20, 2011

    2nd degree should be the primary charge. Although, harder to prove. Aggravated mayhem will end up being self evident if any of the witness statements have any merit at all.

    • #137 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

      What are these charges in terms of misdemeanor or felony and in terms of what can potentially happen if convicted; jail time, probation, etc.

  61. #138 by Michael G on September 20, 2011

    And are supported by the video

  62. #139 by My Username Rocks on September 20, 2011

    …you people are surprised at his conduct? How could you not expect this from a city that sees its’ citizenry as shit?

    • #140 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

      Surprised…no. OUTRAGED yes. It’s actually difficult to comprehend and watch. He is such an ass!!! Just listen to his tone of voice when things are going his way. Then when he’s not in agreement he starts yelling. Mind-boggling.

  63. #141 by MeYou on September 20, 2011

    EyeNeverSayNo :

    You can do better than that!
    Come on and tell me a few more times that the long wait for the Thomas tox report and autopsy is the result of a do-nothing DA trying to protect his buddies in law enforcement by dragging this out as long as possible! And don’t forget to tell me also why the Huy Phan tox and autopsy took the exact same amount of time. Was that too the result of a cover-up by a do-nothing DA to protect a cokehead? lol
    Oh and make sure you keep those tin foil hats tilted toword Santa Ana at all times.

    If you weren’t such an arrogant paralegal intern we might give a fuck if you live or die

    But do please tell us with a mind that is disconnected from your govt pay and bennies..

    If you actually had a heart.. I mean a heart of a citizen of Fullerton, CA and the USA and respected the people who gave their lives to protect our

    Democracy
    Individual Rights
    Constitution
    Freedom

    *** I just realized.. I will let you answer this AFTER the video is released..

    BUT

    WHAT CHARGES WOULD A CITIZEN GET FOR MURDERING ANOTHER CITIZEN IN SUCH A BRUTAL WAY

    and
    I BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOUI BEG YOU

    Imagine KELLY THOMAS WAS YOUR CHILD.. YOUR FRIEND
    YOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUALYOUR EQUAL

    • #142 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

      You got heart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thinking like a human being. Refreshing.

      • #143 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 20, 2011

        I thought the idea was to think with your brain, not your heart?

        Still waiting to hear a few more times how the ten weeks it took for Kelly Thomas’ autopsy is evidence of a cover-up but the ten weeks it took for the Huy Phan autopsy was… er, what was that again?…

        “arrogant paralegal intern”

        What, don’t have an answer so you just lob some stupid insults? Lame.

        LOL

        • #144 by merijoe#1 on September 20, 2011

          you are an idiot wrapped up in a moron

        • #145 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

          Are you one of those morons who talks about shit they don’t know shit about? Got plenty of brain. Think this. How long does it take for tox to come back? How long does it take to finalize a report?? You’re a dumbass. The tox report could have been DONE the NEXT DAY asshole. Can it take longer if there are other cases ahead? Yep. But if you were a responsive PUBLIC SERVANT you would want to allay the fears of a city who feels like they are living dangerously with their police FORCE. Drag it out and sentiment gets watered down and you ATTEMPT to wear down the warriors. Let me know if you need any of that explained to you.

          • #146 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

            Oh yeah… I forgot…..LOL. (See how utterly stupid that is. No one thinks you are funny).

          • #147 by merijoe#1 on September 20, 2011

            Of course those tests could have both been done the next day, and probably have been sitting in his desk until we all “calmed down” (not)
            NO Fucking way did it take 10 weeks-jackass, no way-thats what they wanted you and everyone to believe, they knew the next day.

            SNAP

          • #148 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 20, 2011

            Cindy Mc wrote ” The tox report could have been DONE the NEXT DAY asshole.”

            Here are some excerpts from a WebMD article on this subject that you apparently know absolutely nothing about but upon which you and your little potty mouth somehow still feel qualified to spew…

            The Truth About Toxicology Tests

            Facts about ‘real-life’ toxicology tests you won’t learn from watching television crime shows.

            By Kathleen Doheny
            WebMD Feature

            …”Some of the tests take days, weeks, months,” says Alan Hall, MD, a board-certified toxicologist and consultant in Laramie, Wyo. The final toxicology report, he says, draws not only from multiple test results and confirmation of the results, but also on the clinical experience of the toxicologists and pathologists involved in the investigation, as well as field work….

            …Why do the forensic toxicology tests take so long?

            Getting a complete and accurate forensic toxicology test result can be a lengthy process for a variety of reasons, according to the College of American Pathologists and experts interviewed by WebMD.

            There may be a lot of specimens that need to be tested, which means more testing time. And as an investigation proceeds, information about the possibility of another drug being involved may surface, so even more testing may be needed.

            When the first round of positive tests have to be confirmed by the more sophisticated method, this may require sending out the specimens to more specialized laboratories. And that adds to the delay.

            “Four to six weeks is pretty standard,” Magnani says of the time line for forensic toxicology testing.

            http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/alcohol-abuse/features/the-truth-about-toxicology-tests

            LOL

          • #149 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 20, 2011

            Cindy Mc wrote: “You’re a dumbass. The tox report could have been DONE the NEXT DAY asshole.”

            Merrijoe#1 also wrote: “Of course those tests could have both been done the next day… NO Fucking way did it take 10 weeks-jackass, no way… they knew the next day.”

            Wow, you two sure know how to spew on a subject you apparently know nothing about… too funny. Read and weep for your stupid foot in your mouth, and when you are done please explain to me why the Huy Phan tox and autopsy took the same ten weeks as the Thomas report? Was that a cover-up also?

            The Truth About Toxicology Tests

            Facts about ‘real-life’ toxicology tests you won’t learn from watching television crime shows.

            By Kathleen Doheny
            WebMD Feature
            Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD

            …”Some of the tests take days, weeks, months,” says Alan Hall, MD, a board-certified toxicologist and consultant in Laramie, Wyo. The final toxicology report, he says, draws not only from multiple test results and confirmation of the results, but also on the clinical experience of the toxicologists and pathologists…

            Why do the forensic toxicology tests take so long?

            Getting a complete and accurate forensic toxicology test result can be a lengthy process for a variety of reasons, according to the College of American Pathologists and experts interviewed by WebMD. There may be a lot of specimens that need to be tested, which means more testing time. And as an investigation proceeds, information about the possibility of another drug being involved may surface, so even more testing may be needed.

            When the first round of positive tests have to be confirmed by the more sophisticated method, this may require sending out the specimens to more specialized laboratories. And that adds to the delay. “Four to six weeks is pretty standard,” Magnani says of the time line for forensic toxicology testing. Besides the time needed for painstaking analysis and confirmation, she says, there could be a backlog of tests that need to be done at a particular laboratory.

            http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/alcohol-abuse/features/the-truth-about-toxicology-tests

            Now, would you two like a little salt to wash the crow down your potty mouths? LOL

          • #150 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 20, 2011

            Cindy Mc wrote: “You’re a dumbass. The tox report could have been DONE the NEXT DAY asshole.”

            Merrijoe#1 also wrote: “Of course those tests could have both been done the next day… NO Fucking way did it take 10 weeks-jackass, no way… they knew the next day.”

            Wow, you two sure know how to spew on a subject you apparently know nothing about… fkn funny. Read and weep, and when you are done please explain to me why the Huy Phan tox and autopsy took the same ten weeks as the Thomas report? Was that a cover-up also?

            The Truth About Toxicology Tests

            Facts about ‘real-life’ toxicology tests you won’t learn from watching television crime shows.

            By Kathleen Doheny
            WebMD Feature
            Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD

            …”Some of the tests take days, weeks, months,” says Alan Hall, MD, a board-certified toxicologist and consultant in Laramie, Wyo. The final toxicology report, he says, draws not only from multiple test results and confirmation of the results, but also on the clinical experience of the toxicologists and pathologists…

            Why do the forensic toxicology tests take so long?

            Getting a complete and accurate forensic toxicology test result can be a lengthy process for a variety of reasons, according to the College of American Pathologists and experts interviewed by WebMD. There may be a lot of specimens that need to be tested, which means more testing time. And as an investigation proceeds, information about the possibility of another drug being involved may surface, so even more testing may be needed.

            When the first round of positive tests have to be confirmed by the more sophisticated method, this may require sending out the specimens to more specialized laboratories. And that adds to the delay. “Four to six weeks is pretty standard,” Magnani says of the time line for forensic toxicology testing. Besides the time needed for painstaking analysis and confirmation, she says, there could be a backlog of tests that need to be done at a particular laboratory.

          • #151 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 21, 2011

            You know it now occurs to me that you two may not be as dumb as the stuff that comes out f your foul mouthes would suggest, perhaps you are just confused by the differences between clinical tox tests and forensic tox tests. If so, I hope the WebMD article helped you out.

            On the other hand, maybe you two are just really, really upset to see FFF’s most overhyped and poorly thought out conspiracy theory go down in flames today?

  64. #152 by still love fullerton on September 20, 2011

    is everyone else having tbl watching this meeting?? more buffering than anything..

    grrr

    • #153 by SDLocal on September 20, 2011

      I watched from San Diego and the stream was perfect. Not one hiccup.

  65. #154 by merijoe#1 on September 20, 2011

    I hope admin caught that mayor Kentucky fried chicken tirading on tape tonight- stick a copy of that in the recall packet

    • #155 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

      Great idea. What a fine exhibition of public service.

  66. #156 by MeYou on September 20, 2011

    I doubt I could ever be as strong as

    Martin Luther King Jr
    Rosa Parks
    Gandhi
    Jesus
    et al

    Seeing those worthless PUNKS who steal your tax money and pay themselves and their friends outrageous salaries
    and STEAL your tax dollars WITH 4850??

    I wouldn’t sleep until they were incarcerated for white collar crimes..

    they know 4850′ing into retirement is theft from

    your childs next meal
    your childs quality of education
    your schools and roads etc

    none of those fat fucks deserve that outrageous pay.. EVER..

    IRL.. FIRED and spat upon..

    Politics.. filled with losers and dolts who only know how to FUCK YOU over as fast as possible

    • #157 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

      Meyou, you know I like you but you placed Jesus in the wrong order on the list.

    • #158 by Reality Is on September 21, 2011

      LOL oink

  67. #159 by MeYou on September 20, 2011

    Anonymous :
    What are these charges in terms of misdemeanor or felony and in terms of what can potentially happen if convicted; jail time, probation, etc.

    misdemeanors are countiy/city jail time and overlooked by POLICE UNION REVIEW BOARDS as far as keeping your job and pay and retirtheft benefits

    a felony if convicted might take your bennies

    2011 .. and homo-sapiens are still an embarrassment to Intelligence.. :(

    • #160 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

      Aggravated assault can be a misdemeanor or a felony, right?

  68. #161 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

    How can Quick-Saliva talk about healing and moving forward??? How DARE she. Typical politician. Sweep it under the rug. Of course it’s a good idea to fix the situation. But the TIMING is terrible. They’re hasn’t even been any announcement regarding justice. Even after tomorrow, it’s not going to be what we want and it’s still not going to go away.

    • #162 by merijoe#1 on September 20, 2011

      Cindy; know- I dont like her. I dont have a good feeling about her.
      People like her cause she said was 1 of the two councilmembers to say something after Kelly’s murder to get the gestapo off of active doody 3 weeks later-ok, but shes been a council member since 2004-hello- I guess if she was “concerned” why did it take her 3 weeks to react? how come she didnt offer any major changes or look into these cops? Im just sayin, and what really got me is in some letter she was suppose to write just about Kelly Thomas she tacked a commercial on the bottom of it imploring people to give sicks to the homeless-nothing to do with kelly- just about her pet project.

      • #163 by merijoe#1 on September 20, 2011

        socks not sicks (sorry tired)

      • #164 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

        Just another talking head. I think she spoke out because she felt it would keep her off the hotseat. Good call on her part I guess but she’s also responsible for inaction ( now and before).

      • #165 by Reality Is on September 21, 2011

        Do the right thing. Clean house if you want change. Don’t pick and choose. Fresh start is the only answer for this group.

  69. #166 by My Username Rocks on September 20, 2011

    I feel slap on the wrists coming.

    Why else would t-rack need to talk to Thomas right after the press conference?

    To calm him down, smooth things over (or try)?

    • #167 by merijoe#1 on September 20, 2011

      MUR-I dont think so- but no matter what happens the hunt for justice doesnt end- T-Rack is not the end of the road and the protesting AKA “the foolishness” (what Ive heard the protesting called) will continue

  70. #168 by MeYou on September 20, 2011

    Cindy Mc :
    You got heart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thinking like a human being. Refreshing.

    Cindy Mc :
    You got heart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thinking like a human being. Refreshing.

    One in Six of my fellow humans is below the poverty line in the USA..

    I don’t care one cent about religion… stare into each others eyes long enough and we are all one

    I had a deeeep thought last night while doing physical therapy

    When my heart stops beating.. My mind stays conscious for a few mins. maybe 2-3.. I imagined what thoughts might be in my mind when that happens.. and.. what I can do today and every day to insure they are loving and respectful and nurturing to my fellow man and my own heart instead of regretful etc..

    ^^ sorry to be so deep

    • #169 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

      No need to apologize. It needs to be in the conscienceness (I hope that’s a word-too tired to look it up. Ohio time) of all of us. I hate to hear people say things like “something good can come out of this” because I would’ve rather “this didn’t ever. ever . ever happen. With that being said, it has certainly raised awareness and caused us all to REALLY stop and think and possibly change what we do as individuals. I knew I liked you when you posted “dad, dad, dad, etc. That was one of THE most awful things I’ve ever heard and how ANYONE could possibly not be affected by it is beyond me. Don’t ever apologize for being GOOD!

      • #170 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

        I think “consciousness” actually.

  71. #171 by MeYou on September 20, 2011

    Cindy Mc :
    How can Quick-Saliva talk about healing and moving forward??? How DARE she. Typical politician. Sweep it under the rug. Of course it’s a good idea to fix the situation. But the TIMING is terrible. They’re hasn’t even been any announcement regarding justice. Even after tomorrow, it’s not going to be what we want and it’s still not going to go away.

    “Move Forward” means “we all keep our jobs and l

    Anonymous :
    Meyou, you know I like you but you placed Jesus in the wrong order on the list.

    Jesus even had anger probs..

    Peacemakers get assassinated in this world.. This world is not run by votes etc. .The sickness is truly in the hands of a few families who robbed the world blind in ww1 and under George Bush who started the bailout.. America will be Bankrupt soon

    assassinated
    Jesus
    Gandhi
    MLK Jr

    lived long full lives
    reagan
    bush 1
    your mayor

    • #172 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

      Meyou,
      Anger is not a sin or a problem…it is a NORMAL reaction to EVIL. :)

      Meyou, you know I like you but Jesus did not get assassinated, not in the way you are saying happened to Gandhi and MLK Jr.
      He knew He was going to die and allowed it for a greater good. He could have stopped it but chose not to.

      P.S. one more thing, he is not “my” mayor. ;)

  72. #173 by MeYou on September 20, 2011

    Anonymous :
    Aggravated assault can be a misdemeanor or a felony, right?

    I cannot answer 110%

    But I have heard the words “felony assault”.. seems to me “aggravated” is just a misdemeanor

    The FPD6 were allowed to keep their badges for 3 weeks after murdering Kelly Thomas…

    Judges
    D.A.’s
    Chiefs of Police
    Mayors of towns

    all circle jerk each other.. they don’t care one cent about you or I when it comes to one of them murdering or abusing one of us… they have a special clique

    • #174 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

      May I ask…are male or female? Don’t answer if too intrusive. Just wondering?

    • #175 by corrupt on September 20, 2011

      They still have their badges.. and guns. They are on Admin leave with pay… not fired.

    • #176 by Anonymous on September 20, 2011

      I searched a little and it seems to me it can be a misdemeanor or a felony…wondering if the DA will elaborate.

  73. #177 by MeYou on September 20, 2011

    Cindy Mc :
    May I ask…are male or female? Don’t answer if too intrusive. Just wondering?

    Male O:-)

    • #178 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

      I thought so. No particular reason but nice to see you wearing your heart on your sleeve. IT HUMANIZES YOU:)

  74. #179 by MeYou on September 20, 2011

    Cindy Mc :
    I think “consciousness” actually.

    One of the greatest inventions was the mirror

    “I love you, you are beautiful and today is gong to be a great day”

    a lady told me she tells her mirror every day upon waking.. and she IS LOVE and CREATES LOVE by being Love

    Life is so easy if we would not let the outside influences destroy what our Hearts know is right…

    Louise Hay
    Pema Chodron
    Napoleon Hill
    Anthony robbins
    Gandhi the movie
    thich Nhat Hahn
    “Loving our enemies” by MLK

    In my honest opinion Evolution has been hijacked… something stopped our Hearts from growing

    • #180 by Cindy Mc on September 20, 2011

      I totally agree but everytime I hear “positive affirmation ” things I can’t stop thinking (and laughing) about Stuart Smalley….”I’m smart enough. I’m good enough, and dammit people like me”:):):) (Hope you understood the reference). All kidding aside-whatever it takes. I would never criticize a person for trying to better themselves and/or the world they live in.

  75. #181 by 9c1copcar on September 20, 2011

    I won’t be holding my breath tomorrow.

    • #182 by merijoe#1 on September 20, 2011

      regarding what?

  76. #183 by MeYou on September 20, 2011

    merijoe#1 :
    regarding what?

    Reality

    • #184 by merijoe#1 on September 20, 2011

      whats reality? those animals will be charged with something-If thats what you mean

  77. #185 by MeYou on September 20, 2011

    Cindy Mc :
    I thought so. No particular reason but nice to see you wearing your heart on your sleeve. IT HUMANIZES YOU:)

    incredible pain in my Heart has made me see more clearly.. abandonment and blame in childhood hurt this version of my soul for 40yrs.. but I know better now.. much better.. my pain inflicts pain onto you

    “Nobody can hurt you without your permission” Gandhi

    “bodhisattva” = spiritual warrior

    Pema talks about how when one really stops long enough to see their lives.. they find a feeling of “Thankfullness./. Thankful to be alive”
    I say
    thankful to be a Life

    Even the goofy jewish guy on the soap I adore *not gay* I can use the word adore mofo…lol

    Dr Bronners
    “ALL ONE OR NONE”

  78. #186 by corrupt on September 20, 2011

    There better be some felonies so that the murderers can walk the earth unarmed and unable to arm them selves…. after they get out of prison. A fitting end to a fully armed thug of the guvment. Let them shudder everytime a cop car drives by slowly eyeballing them for a made up crime.

  79. #187 by MeYou on September 20, 2011

    merijoe#1 :
    whats reality? those animals will be charged with something-If thats what you mean

    That is what he is not willing to hold his breath for…

    he senses blueline creeping up strong…

    One man might get charged with half of what he shoudl.. and ONLY

    ONLY BECAUSE

    Cincinelli can plead insanity and GET OFF

    We’ll see… /gasping for air I am..

    • #188 by Fruit Fly on September 20, 2011

      Fullerton is done if Cincinelli claims he beat Kelly to death because of a mental disability from the shooting. That will open up the door for everyone that he encountered to file suit against the county.

      Unfortunately that dirtbag McKinley who is responsible for bringing Officer Duhh “I make poop” Cincinelli will get away with his $200,00 pension while the taxpayers of fullerton will be paying settlements for decades to come.

      • #189 by My Username Rocks on September 20, 2011

        If Cincinelli claims this, isn’t Fullerton liable for ever having hired him?

        • #190 by T N Z on September 21, 2011

          I would think so. I feel bad for the tax payers who live there.

  80. #191 by MeYou on September 20, 2011

    Cindy Mc :
    I totally agree but everytime I hear “positive affirmation ” things I can’t stop thinking (and laughing) about Stuart Smalley….”I’m smart enough. I’m good enough, and dammit people like me”:):):) (Hope you understood the reference). All kidding aside-whatever it takes. I would never criticize a person for trying to better themselves and/or the world they live in.

    A Course In Miracles
    “The sickness of our brothers and sisters are our sickness too”

    ^^^^^^^^^^ the reverse is true too :)

    The beauty and Love in our Hearts for ourselves will unconsciously extend Beauty to the others we come in contact with.

    Our Deepest Fear

    Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
    Our deepest fear
    is that we are powerful beyond measure.
    It is our light, not our darkness,
    that most frightens us.
    We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous,
    talented and fabulous?
    Actually who are we not to be?
    You are a child of God.
    Your playing small doesn’t serve the world.
    There is nothing enlightened about shrinking
    so that other people
    won’t feel insecure around you.
    We are all meant to shine as children do.
    We were born to make manifest
    the glory of God that is within us.
    It’s not just in some of us; it’s in everyone.
    And when we let our own light shine,
    we unconsciously give other people
    permission to do the same.
    As we are liberated from our own fear,
    our presence automatically liberates others.

    - Marianne Williamson

    A Return to Love: Reflections on the
    Principles of “A Course in Miracles”

  81. #192 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 20, 2011

    OMG

    • #193 by TIGERMANLSU on September 22, 2011

      GOAWAY Mr. blankhead you so old you will soon be in the graveyard.

  82. #194 by MeYou on September 20, 2011

    EyeNeverSayNo :
    OMG

    FWIW.. you truly should disclose your true identity.

    all of whatever identity
    you and reality is are

    have only changed tunes in the last week..

    where is jaynbond btw

    that guy could have ran a whole concentration camp by himself with the hatred he claimed for the father of a man who was murdered by protectors of the peace

  83. #195 by Dr. Zillman on September 20, 2011

    EyeNeverSayNo :
    A week ago yesterday I predicted we would hear from the DA in “as short as a week.”
    Interestingly, it will be right about ten weeks since Kelly Thomas was murdered. The autopsy of Costa Mesa City Hall jumper Huy Phan took a full ten weeks as well.
    So tell me, all you cover-up conspiracy therorists (you know who you are ) here at FFF, was there a cover-up in the Huy Phan case too? Or is this ten weeks about what it takes these days for a full toxicology test and autopsy?

    It takes everything exponentially longer for government agencies. They operate at a glacial pace. One exception: collecting taxes.
    Realistically, even with cultured tissue sample studies factored in, 10 weeks is a generous time frame for tox and C.O.D. reports. It’s actually ridiculous.

    • #196 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 20, 2011

      So true with regard to taxes Doc…

      Yes, 10 weeks is a long time for forensic toxicology testing, as I understand it, 4 to 6 weeks is pretty standard, but apparently in some of these high profile cases the time frame being extended out to ten weeks is not uncommon.

      Really ridiculous would be the more than 8 months it took for the Los Angeles Medical Examiner to release its final, 51 page report on the singer’s death.

      I’ll repost excerpts from this interesting article on WebMD for those who may have skipped over the ugliness above… google the title for the link…

      The Truth About Toxicology Tests

      Facts about ‘real-life’ toxicology tests you won’t learn from watching television crime shows.

      By Kathleen Doheny
      WebMD Feature
      Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD

      ….…”Some of the tests take days, weeks, months,” says Alan Hall, MD, a board-certified toxicologist and consultant in Laramie, Wyo….

      “…When the first round of positive tests have to be confirmed by the more sophisticated method, this may require sending out the specimens to more specialized laboratories. And that adds to the delay. “Four to six weeks is pretty standard,” Magnani says of the time line for forensic toxicology testing. Besides the time needed for painstaking analysis and confirmation, she says, there could be a backlog of tests that need to be done at a particular laboratory.”

  84. #198 by Curious on September 20, 2011

    why is Blankheads head so small compared to his body? I think there’s a term for that, but I can’t remember it. Can someone help me out?

    • #199 by hmmmm on September 20, 2011

      pinhead??? LOL

    • #200 by Surfer Dude on September 21, 2011

      Whoa, dude. The term is microcephallic.We just say little-headed due. Or big body dude.

      • #201 by Curious on September 21, 2011

        Micro-ceph-allic. Thanks Surfer Dude!

      • #202 by Cindy Mc on September 21, 2011

        Surfer dude you got brains. EYENEVERSAYNO would have had to look that one up:)

  85. #203 by Ana on September 21, 2011

    why don’t you guys protest at pinheads home. embarss him in front of all his neighbors. Good morning!

  86. #204 by My Username Rocks on September 21, 2011

    What is the procedure in a case like this?

    I do agree though my gut tells me this ain’t gonna go good-for justice

    What sense would it make to (hypotheticallly) hold a news conference where serious charges are announced, THEN make arrests after having tipped your hand to the suspect officers?

    Be prepared to see Officers 3-6 skate, with the first two officers getting ticky-tack wristslap charges.

  87. #205 by My Username Rocks on September 21, 2011

    What is the procedure in a case like this?

    I do agree though my gut tells me this ain’t gonna go good-for justice

    What sense would it make to (hypothetically) hold a news conference where serious charges are announced, THEN make try to make arrests after having tipped your hand to the suspect officers?

    Be prepared to see Officers 3-6 skate, with the first two officers getting ticky-tack wristslap charges.

  88. #206 by My Username Rocks on September 21, 2011

    Sorry for the dp!

  89. #207 by still love fullerton on September 21, 2011

    it all depends on the timeframe in which they arrived on scene..

    i think the last two came after it was over..

  90. #208 by still love fullerton on September 21, 2011

    and i’m thinking its gonna be more than a wrist slap for sure..

    some serious charges are coming..

  91. #209 by My Username Rocks on September 21, 2011

    The only thing that gives me a slight glimmer of hope the OCDA will do the right thing is how frustrated they were over the “blue wall of silence” in the People v. Deputy Christopher Gibbs case.

  92. #210 by still love fullerton on September 21, 2011

    i have a good feeling the right thing will be done..
    i hope i’m right..

    the news said, neither side will be happy, so i’m sure some will be charged, just not all

  93. #211 by Bird on September 21, 2011

    I really hope there is justice done today.
    I’m optimistically waiting and saying a prayer for good measure.

    • #212 by Pastor Dave on September 21, 2011

      Your prayer will not be answered.

      • #213 by still love fullerton on September 21, 2011

        couldn’t sleep huh, officer pastor dave??
        no i suppose not…

      • #214 by Paddy on September 21, 2011

        Prayer is powerful and so is the Lord above who cashes in said prays. The Lord is watching and so is the FBI =)

  94. #215 by TIGERMANLSU on September 21, 2011

    TO A HERO, AND THE GOOD PEOPLE OF FULLERTON . I PRAY PEACE BE STILL . I”AM NOBODY! WHO ARE YOU ? ARE YOU NOBODY, TOO ? THEN THERE”S A PAIR OF US, YOU KNOW BECAUSE I COULD NOT STOP FOR DEATH, HE KINDLY STOPPED FOR ME; THE CARRIAGE HELD BUT JUST OURSELVES AND IMMORTALITY, WE SLOWLY DROVE,HE KNEW NO HASTE,AND I HAD PUT AWAY MY LABOR, AND MY LEISURE TOO,FOR HIS CIVILITY I DIED FOR [TRUTH ] HE QUESTIONED SOFTLY; WHY I FAILED ? I FOR [TRUTH]–THE TWO ARE ONE MAY GOD BLESS THE THOMAS FLY. AND ALL WHO WANT THE TRUETH AMEN AND AMEN***

  95. #216 by nomad on September 21, 2011

    Good luck today Mr. Thomas, may God give you and your family the strength to carry on. My family and I are praying for justice on behalf of your son.

  96. #217 by van get it da artiste on September 21, 2011

    the maxim, talk is cheap, succintly describes Bankhead, and it is the tax payer who must pay big bucks for for Bankhead’s lack of action towards Fullerton police dept. corruption.

  97. #218 by MeYou on September 21, 2011

    As a reminder about the paralegals and claimed to be LEO’s in here

    ^^^^^^in the beginning they were rabble rousers trying to cause us to be pissed off at Ron Thomas ..

    then they started to get wind that their boys in blue wouldn’t face much

    now they come in here and try to tell us THEIR FACTS mean our facts are wrong and that we need to be prepared for leniency and such…

    6 police officers all took part in the murder of kelly thomas

    6 police officers wrote their murder reports in collusion with each other to get their murder stories straight

    6 police officers bludgeoned a
    SMALL
    HOMELESS
    Mentally disabled
    citizen of fullerton, ca

    FOR AN EXTENDED TIME

    for what

    WHY

    If more than one tasered him…

    WHY

    SEE.. they know who I am talking to

    They want to distract you and say your emotions are terribly wrong and that

    THAT WAS ALL PROTECTED UNDER POLICIES AND PROCEDURES

    “they all were allowed to use deadly force that night?

    ^^^^^^^^^^ deadly force FOR WHAT REASON

    If they had to beat to death a man who was gigantic in stature because he had a bomb vest on or they knew he was planning to kill people..

    OK MAYBE

    but

    small
    homeless
    mentally disabled

    BRUTALLLLLLY MURDERED IN FRONT OF FULLERTON, CA CITIZENS…

    You tell us why they did it

    RealityIs BULLSHIT
    Eyeneverseemyheart or whatever your sorry name is
    jaynazibond

    tell us

    WHY did ALL 6 Murder him

    key here.. like I said before.. I am more upset at Chief Sellers than the men who murdered kelly thomas… HE LET THEM KEEP THEIR BADGES

  98. #219 by MeYou on September 21, 2011

    and another thing….

    Study these sociopaths who run the show – don’t study them so personally/individually.. they are running the show most everywhere – study their actions as a whole

    I truly appreciated the woman who spoke last night who said she was totally against the recall UNTIL she saw the disgraceful DISDAIN THE COUNCIL HAS FOR THE PEOPLE

    Those sociopaths run almost every government because we have allowed them to..

    Never give our trust to any politician.. they will always abuse it.. they need watched more than your own bank accounts

  99. #220 by Surfer Dude on September 21, 2011

    Whoa, mad dude. They aren’t all bad. Remember what’s his name?

    No. I guess you’re right.

  100. #221 by MeYou on September 21, 2011

    Surfer Dude :
    Whoa, mad dude. They aren’t all bad. Remember what’s his name?
    No. I guess you’re right.

    I know it looks mad.. but I’m not..

    Those are just the facts that need yelled over their sterilization of murder facts

  101. #222 by Dr. Zillman on September 21, 2011

    “…I am more upset at Chief Sellers.”

    As am I. A system that rewards you handsomely for sliding out of your job requires new legislation. When Sellers is out for good on disability (the 4850 plan) he will retire very, very comfortably for effectively abandoning his duty to serve the public. If everyone could retire “disabled” from high blood pressure, over 50% of the work force would qualify. Absurd.

    • #223 by Anonymous on September 21, 2011

      Chief ‘hides in’ Sellers should be tared and feathered for blatantly stealing paychecks and abandoning his post when his people need him the most.

      • #224 by Huh? on September 21, 2011

        True, but Sellers had help – every step of the way.

        HeeHaw said: “remembah, the first rule of guverment is public safety.”

        COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP.

      • #225 by Get Real on September 21, 2011

        I agree with you about Sellers. He left his city when leadership was needed most! I am so disappointed in him.

  102. #226 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 21, 2011

    Mad Dude wrote: “As a reminder about the paralegals and claimed to be LEO’s in here

    ^^^^^^in the beginning they were rabble rousers trying to cause us to be pissed off at Ron Thomas…”

    Since you humorously referred to me last night as an “arrogant paralegal intern” (paralegals intern?) I want to make sure I set the record straight: Never once have I ever posted anything but words of high respect for Ron Thomas, and I have continuously defended the man against all comers, including the posters known as Reality Is and Jaynbond. Additionally, I have never tried to rouse and rabble, only to illuminate and further understanding of the situation as I knew it to be…

    In fact, the rabble rousing around here has been done by those who have repeated continuously a theme that became the FFF mantra: “The police loving, corrupt, do-nothing DA who has never prosecuted a cop in 15 years is stalling, waiting for the outrage to die down before, well, doing nothing.”

    This mantra in its various versions was repeated ad nauseum, and if anyone suggested that perhaps all the elements in the mantra didn’t fit with the actual facts, they were shouted down and verbally abused by the true believing, group-thinkers, dominating FFF.

    So now, today, regardless of the outcome, we know the core believers here were 100% wrong.

    There is no cover-up by the DA and there never was: The delay was caused by the ten week long wait for the toxicology and autopsy reports of Kelly Thomas, and we know that this wait was not exceptional at all, for ten weeks is exactly the same amount of time it took for the tox and autopsy report in another high profile case last spring, the suicide of Costa Mesa City Hall jumper Huy Phan. And in Phan’s case the report turned out to vindicate local government officials.

    The mantra turns out to have been just so much propaganda, carefully advanced to rouse the rabble into action, and possibly even to advance a political agenda. Perhaps that political agenda is positive, the FFF’ers might indeed be the good guys, and the three blind mice the bad guys, as Tony and crew so badly want every Fullerton voter to believe, but at the end of the day their polemics and tactics aren’t all that different from the police themselves. Lies and the propagation of fear being the means that justifies the end.

    Good guys versus bad guys. Clean cut heroic policemen versus gangs and dirty homeless. Pure as the driven snow activists versus entrenched corrupt power. For the latter the only thing missing are the nightsticks and tasers. And that turned out to be a convenience in advancing the cause of the activists. See, we are the *really* good guys.

    But today the gig is up, whatever the outcome this morning, the FFF mantra has been shown to be what it is, a full of holes chunk of political propaganda ungrounded in reality. I have no doubt that it will be discarded and a new mantra will take its place here, that’s just how these things go, but for this moment at least you know the truth, and the truth could indeed set you free.

    • #227 by Anonymous on September 21, 2011

      the DA has convicted how many bad cops?
      Does the DA work hand in hand with the FPD?
      Does the DA rely on these same officers to prosecute other criminals?
      Did the FPD initially try to cover up and spin the Kelly Thomas murder? Broken bones? Car thefts that never happened? Officers right back on duty? Sellers could care less, said he saw the video two days later, the fuck? 3 blind mice, acting deaf and blind? Not a peep till Ron released the photo?
      Is it that hard to figure out folks have next to no faith in the FPD, and therefore the DA? Has the DA expressed any kind of compassion? Who are the suspects? Any names?
      I think the FFF mantra has more to do with Excessive police brutality and the ensuing cover up by the good ol boys. Is the DA free to do his job without good ol boy influence? that is yet to be determined.

      quote “There is no cover-up by the DA and there never was: ”
      How do you really know this? you dont.

    • #228 by TIGERMANLSU on September 22, 2011

      WHORE STILL IN THE HOUSE~~~~~*

      • #229 by TIGERMANLSU on September 22, 2011

        NOT YOU ANRYMOUS -EYENEVERSAYNO

  103. #230 by 9c1copcar on September 21, 2011

    Fullerton is like Santa Clarita. Many claims regarding excessive force and the such. by deputies, have been presented to the D.A, with no prosecutions. This has been for more than 15 years now. The female Asst. D.A. had the nuts to say, “My Deputies Don’t Lie”. I am not a legal beagle, however, even I could disprove that statement 10 times-over-to-Sunday.
    Cicinelli could possibly claim a mental disorder, however, there are experts that would definitely disprove that allegation.
    Any officer who uses excessive force or trumped-up BS charges to make them feel better about their manhood, should be fired and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Their destructive actions change the course of too many lives to be left on the force with that kind of power.
    Whatever the charges may be today, we can rest assured that even though they may not bring long sentences, a few of those thugs will not be armed or in the position to do this again. Hopefully, other officers around the country will take notice of this, and stop their abusive ways; we could only hope.
    RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED

  104. #231 by Cindy Mc on September 21, 2011

    EYENEVERSAYNO-Ok here’s some foul mouth for you. You are so fucking stupid, you don’t even know how stupid you are. I don’t even know where to begin. Ok, so you found an article on a website. I agree. Reputable web site. I advise my patients to use this site on a regular basis and also encourage them to ask questions about what they’ve read. Let’s start out with the most important point. I almost fell for your bullshit comment last nite. The only excuse I have is I was tired last night. So Kelly was in the hospital for…….5 DAYS. Almost all of what he might have had in his system before the beating would not be detectable after that length of time. The hospital PROBABLY did a drug tox screen and would have had those results in HOURS (like your article said sometimes in “hours). So those are already done. Any post-mortem drug tox would only show what was compassionately administered for excruciating pain or to keep him paralyed or unconscious while he was intubated. ( that means while he had a breathing tube in) Next YOUR article goes on to give all kinds of EXCUSES like what I mentioned…backlog. Still the point…you can get them done VERY VERY quickly. The only limitation would be test processing time. So what kinds of tests might take that long? Arsenic, heavy metal poisons, ethylene glycol, etc. ( reference-”days”) If any tests were positive it is common procedure to confirm those tests or run a more specific test based on those results. (reference weeks-months) (and no I don’t think he ingested any of those things before he was murdered-so moot point). The article is correct for the general population. You have to be smart enough to understand/interpret it. Obviously. I could go on and on AND I didn’t look up one single website. I don’t talk shit about shit I don’t know about.

  105. #232 by My Username Rocks on September 21, 2011

    Remember, even if the officers get serious charges filed, the easy part is over and the very worst is yet to come :

    The cop-loving OC juries.

  106. #233 by Cindy Mc on September 21, 2011

    Never once have I ever posted anything but words of high respect for Ron Thomas, and I have continuously defended the man against all comers, including the posters known as Reality Is and Jaynbond. Additionally, I have never tried to rouse and rabble, only to illuminate and further understanding of the situation as I knew it to be.

    You’re a fucking saint. Couldn’t stand to read the rest. Too stupid.

  107. #234 by 9c1copcar on September 21, 2011

    CINDY Mc,

    You go girl!!

  108. #235 by merijoe on September 21, 2011

    I cried during the description of the beating

    • #236 by Cindy Mc on September 21, 2011

      Yeah no kidding. Unbelievable awful.

  109. #237 by Justice for ALL on September 21, 2011

    @Eyeneversayno,

    You stated, “For the latter the only thing missing are the nightsticks and tasers. And that turned out to be a convenience in advancing the cause of the activists. See, we are the *really* good guys.”

    “the ONLY thing missing, are the nightsticks and tasers” Well, I would have to say that is a VERY BIG THING INDEED!!

    And you say “ONLY?”

    In fact, that is the WHOLE POINT of our protesting!! The officers have LIFE AND DEATH POWER over the citizens BECAUSE of the weapons, guns, rifles, tasers, nightsticks, pepper sprays, bullet proof vests, tanks, etc., etc. and more than just that, BECAUSE of the BADGES and their AUTHORITY, which when used without regard or respect for the constitutional rights of citizens, can “ONLY” cause DEATH, the complete destruction of lives, pain, suffering, fear, disability, incarceration, humiliation, job loss, etc., etc.

    And, yet, you somehow don’t seem to think that any of this is a very big deal. You seem to think that it rates an “ONLY” in your description of citizen “activist” motivations.

    I don’t know who you are, but you have NOT been very sympathetic to the Thomas family over the past weeks since Kelly’s murder. I have always believed that you are just another one of the cop apologists, like Reality IS, et al.

    I believe that you were asked, or were assigned, to blog on this site by the FPD union goons, or by the city council, or by whomever else, to do your very best to discredit the Thomas family, to discredit any efforts to make changes in the FPD or the city council, and to discredit any efforts to make any other changes that might affect the union’s power base, etc.

    If I’m wrong, well, your comments sure could, and did, fool me.

    I DO KNOW that the protestors at the FPD, the supporters of Kelly Thomas and his family, and most of the commenters, such as myself, on this blog, are NOT motivated by any ulterior motives that you may, however incorrectly, assign to Kelly Bushala.

    Perhaps, YOUR motive in commenting here is purely ANTI-TONY BUSHALA????? That would explain a lot, wouldn’t it?

    I don’t know exactly who you think the “activists” are, or exactly what your definition of “activist” is; however, MY definition of “activist” is someone who finally wakes up from their neglect of their civic duty (slumber), and realizes that while they were sleeping the WOLVES have been guarding the hen house!

    And, now it is almost too late to save ourselves from being eaten alive, since the wolves have fenced us in ON ALL SIDES with their own self-serving rules (powerful unions, self serving and collaborating city hall, lying FPD spokeshole, a DO-NOTHING Office of Independent Review ie. (reference the appalling Mitrice Richardson case http://www.lamag.com/features/story.aspx?ID=1515070 as well as many others), non-charging or very minimal charging D.A.’s office, etc.

    The ONLY reason the Kelly Thomas case might be different in terms of prosecution, is BECAUSE of the attention that has been brought to bear on this case, and because there were witnesses.

    When these incidents all too conveniently occur in an alley, or are otherwise out of sight, (such as Mitrice Richardsen), with no witnesses, or by the railroad tracks in the middle of the night, etc., or when the officers manage to confiscate all recorded evidence, you and I, and everyone else knows that NOTHING, of any consequence to get at the truth, will be done. It is just another “our word against their word,” “nothing to see here folks,” “no wrongdoing,” blue line cover up and lies as usual.

    My “mantra” is JUSTICE FOR KELLY THOMAS, and for all the Kelly Thomas’ of the world. And, if you want to call me an activist, go ahead.

    However, I recommend that you stop denigrating citizens, or “activists” as you call us, who stand up for our constitutional rights and who also try to stand up for the rights of others who have been denied those same rights.

    The Fourteenth Amendment in particular comes to mind: “…nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

    You don’t seem to be nearly as interested in protecting our Fourteenth Amendment rights as you are in defending the D.A. and defaming Tony Bushala.

    Don’t worry your little legal mind; the D.A. is more than able to defend himself. He doesn’t need your help.

    The Kelly Thomas’ of the world do.

  110. #238 by Fed up with Fullerton on September 21, 2011

    Don Bankhead is a moronic nincomPOOP! He shouldn’t even be allowed to breath the same air as the rest of us!!

  111. #239 by TIGERMANLSU on September 22, 2011

    God bless you JUSTICE FOR ALL I wish I could have said that from the heart.

    • #240 by Justice for ALL on September 22, 2011

      Thank you Tiger! But, you do say plenty from your own heart, and I do appreciate YOUR comments also!

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