Another bad sign

A few months ago, I pointed out bogus signs at the train station which cited non-existent instances of the Fullerton Municipal Code.  Those signs were removed a short time later.

Here we have a similar sign posted at the Wilshire Avenue parking structure.

Fullerton does not have a “No Loitering” ordinance that could be used here.

The second part, warning about confiscation of property, only comes up in Title 9, which covers parks — not parking structures, nor anywhere else in the City.

Bookmark9.12.530   Enforcement — Seizure of property.

The Director, park attendants, parking control officers and police officers are authorized to seize, confiscate and hold for the City any property, thing or device in the park used in violation of this chapter.

(Ord. 1900 (part), 1973: prior 4320.9(3) — Ord. 999 § 1, 1959).

Nowhere in 9.12.530 does it address “unattended or unsecured” items.  Even if the City wanted to play word games, and say the parking structure is part of the park and museum immediately adjacent to it, the sign doesn’t even agree with the code.  Perhaps that is why the sign makes no mention of the Fullerton Municipal Code — there’s nothing to cite because somebody made it up.

So the next time City Hall tells you such and such is the “law” you should probably take that assurance with a grain of salt.

Chronic Failure Dead heads

20 thoughts on “Another bad sign

  1. No municipal code is cited on this sign and the wording is intentionally vague. It is merely a deterrent for vagabonds and the like from setting up temporary camp in public areas. This is a commonly employed practice. I think it is a great idea. Mr. Curlee don’t you feel there are greater issues facing this city than some petty wordsmithing designed to keep urine, feces, hypodermic needles and hepatitis out of our community? May I suggest you begin to deal with issues of greater relevance?

    1. And I think the idea of a government making up shit to make its own job easier because it takes too much work to do it right is terrible.

      “Commonly employed practice?” By whom? Overpaid and pensioned lLazy cops and bureaucrats who can’t do their job properly so they just fake laws.

      May I suggest you clean out the feces between your own ears?

    2. Just keep saying it: the Earth is not flat, Disney is not the Anti-christ, NASA is not run by Lucifer. I promise you’ll start feeling better about yourself almost immediately!

    3. Perhaps a sign like this should be posted in the alley to the east of Florentine’s if you’re so concerned about the issues you raised?

    4. Exactly how many cases of hep have occurred from having contact with a homeless persons possessions?
      Rather than steal their blankets and clothes under the guise of bully “ordinances” why not suggest a compassionate solution to help homeless people maybe not be homeless anymore? Yes there are bigger problems, and a lot of them have roots in smaller issues.
      Q: How do you eat an entire elephant?
      A: One bite at a time.

    5. An effort to stop people from doing these things mentioned is a good thing. The city’s efforts to try to make sure people do not commit these offenses which are incredibly foul such as discarding drug paraphernalia, vomit, feces, trash and other utterly disgusting things are a good thing. Mr. Curlee has a problem with that? Yes technically he may be correct and yes he has a point but it you have any common sense at all, you would never bring this up in the first place. I am wanting him or anyone for that matter to please explain the negative impact this sign has on our community.

      1. Just keep saying it: the Earth is not flat, Disney is not the Anti-christ, NASA is not run by Lucifer. I promise you’ll start feeling better about yourself almost immediately!

      2. You’ve ventured off topic because nobody is going to “confiscate” urine, vomit, or feces. It’s obvious the sign is targeting homeless persons’ sleeping bags, clothing, and other personal items. Swooping in to confiscate and throw away their belongings isn’t going to help the situation. I agree that public property should not be a dumping ground or a storage area that goes unattended for long periods of time.

        But back to the sign. It’s actually pretty symbolic of the culture across all City departments. Whenever they can’t find a law, rule, or policy that addresses a specific problem, they just make something up off the top of their head.

        That sign is merely a symptom of a much bigger issue.

    1. Did you see it? Did you have enough interest or ability to actually question the content of the sign? Did you comment here or anywhere else about the blatant lack of authority of the signs content?

      Or do you think it’s just fine for law enforcement to simply make laws up as they see fit?

  2. And the sign said anybody caught trespassin’ would be shot on sight
    So I jumped on the fence and-a yelled at the house
    “Hey! What gives you the right?”
    “To put up a fence to keep me out or to keep mother nature in”
    “If God was here he’d tell you to your face, man, you’re some kinda sinner”
    Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
    Blockin’ out the scenery, breakin’ my mind
    Do this, don’t do that, can’t you read the sign?

  3. These signs went up about a year ago when the nearby hair salon complained at the city council meeting about the loitering of people & homeless near their salon and they stated that they were afraid to walk to thier cars in thie parking structure where they had encountered people loitering . The city acted in good faith within a couple weeks and posted signs. They removed a bench in the area on wilshire were homeless loitered and apparently everything is ok now.

  4. Mildred García, President of Cal State Fullerton ,is leaving her castle on the hill….. She is leaving to head the American Assn of State Colleges & Universities. I wonder who the next resident will be… this house could make a nice shelter for the homeless?

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