What is a Brady Cop? And What Did Vince Mater Do to Become One?

Update: When you’re trying to pierce the veil of secrecy in a police department bent on concealing its officers’ misdeeds, some of the details come through a little fuzzy. I recently received some corrected information on officer Mater’s role in the arrest, highlighted in red below. Note that Mater is still the officer who (allegedly) destroyed his audio recording and was later fired.

I’ve also noticed that almost an entire year has gone by, but Officer Mater has not been charged with destruction of evidence. The DA is reportedly still “working on the case.”

A Brady Officer is a cop with a sustained record for knowingly lying in an official capacity. A Brady cop’s testimony in court is almost worthless, which makes you wonder why a police department such as Fullerton would bother to employ one.

But on to the story. Remember that odd Fullerton jail suicide of Dean Francis Gochenour last year?

The word was that the jail arresting officer by the name of Vince Mater had broken apart his audio recorder and smashed the chip containing a recording in the immediate aftermath of the suicide. Whatever was captured on that recording before and during the arrestee’s suicide, we’ll never know.

Dean Gochenour died in the Fullerton City Jail on April 15, 2011

A few months later, Officer Mater was quietly fired.

Well, now we’ve found new state court docs revealing that the DA had also declared Mater to be a “Brady officer.”

We don’t know how Officer Mater earned his status as certified liar, but if it was so bad that even the FPD couldn’t look the other way, well…it must have been pretty bad.

Mater’s name did appear in an OC Register story in November 2010 about the wrongful incarceration of Emanuel Martinez at the hands of the FPD, in which Mater was johnny-on-the-spot with a gang tag that helped send the wrong guy to jail.

Fast forward to 2011, when the FPD ends up with a dead guy in jail, a smashed recorder, another cop on paid leave and presumably another set of lawsuits.

Oh, and one more thing: for all the City’s talk of transparency and its employment of several highly-compensated Public Information Officers, all of this information was kept from the public until…well, today.

132 thoughts on “What is a Brady Cop? And What Did Vince Mater Do to Become One?

  1. AntiCorruptionUnit

    YOU PEOPLE at FFFF are brutal, lol. Take that as a compliment.

    Yes keeping guys like this employed with the baggage they carry, then someone dies is called, “negligent retention”. Usually good for a significant amount of damages at the end of the day.

    IF FPD wanted to show transperancy in this case, they would have charge that jailer with destruction of evidence PC 135 if I recall correctly.

    Yes a brady cop is useless across the board. They are in reality liars and should have NO credibility every time they speak.

    When you have to complete daily tasks that require honesty and ethics to be applied, WELL a brady cop is not in the scheme of things.

    But this guy could have been someone’s fair haired child and they took care of him by putting him in the jail where they thought he’d be safe.

    OOPS!!! that didn’t work out either.

    Let’s hope Ron Thomas’s attorney knows all this, and won’t settle for some money in order to make them go away like corrupt agency’s do ALL the time.

    Kind of like Michael Jackson did to avoid his REAL history from becoming known. He bought the victims silence for a mere $16 million.

    With ALL this crap coming out, it should not be about money at this point.

    Maybe FPD can hire Dave Ellis to do some mailers on their behalf?

    Again good job FFFF, your laying down some serious HARD facts to paint the picture of corruption within, IT isn’t just a theory.

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  2. AntiCorruptionUnit

    It should be noted and cases like this should be used to show Mr.Bennett the anti-recall spokehole is nothing but a “spin doctor” himself.

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    1. fullerton lover

      I think Larry would be better off visiting a “spine doctor” to see if they can figure out what happened to his.

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  3. Steve Brow

    Journalists have their own version of the Brady list and Andrew Goodrich is on it. The journalists should corner the new Public Information Officers (isolated from each other) and ask them all of the questions that Goodrich declined to address transparently over the past few years.

    Don’t let them use the “old news” line because the new news is how they project Hughes’ new “transparency”.

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    1. Tuco Ramirez

      The OC Register still uses Andrew Goodrich’s Good Lies on a continual basis! All stories related to the Kelly “incident” carry the GOOD LIES provided by Goodrich. So your info about Journalists must mean, Good, fair journalists, not Hack reporters for the Orange County Register.

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    2. Anonymous

      Steve,please be specific… who exactly are on “the journalists” list you mention? That is an honest question. Goodrich wouldn’t be transparent if you had a gun to his head. I hope your post was sarcasm, so hard to tell in type.

      The main goal of the FPD is spin, period. They will die spewing the spin before they ever tell the truth or are truly transparent. If anyone thinks that is going to change with the current cast of characters is delusional.

      great post Travis, keep up the pressure.

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  4. Wrong Guy

    All of this info brought to us by FFFF is the only reason the 3 recall stooges refer to Tony Bushala as a bully. Bunch of Nutsacks!

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    1. van get it da artiste

      and when the three recall stooges, Jones, McKinley and Bankhead, run to the playground for recess, FFFF and Tony Bushala will bully them out of their lunch money?
      Bully? Courageous, perservering men and women leave that word on the playground for the weak, conceited, persons who play in Fullerton’s municipal government and our county’s government

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  5. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Well you know that old saying, “can’t attack the message, go after the messenger”.

    It might work in their little world at City Hall, it isn’t working for them in the public forum.

    Doomed to failure, the 3 Amigos haven’t changed course yet on their sinking ship.

    Another fine example of arrogance and stupid.

    Steve, all this new news and old news reflects badly upon Hughes also. LET it happen.

    With all this history of crap, Hughes could have should have hit the ground running from DAY ONE!!! Seems his tripping actually.

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  6. Fred Alcazar

    Excellent post, as always. So how can we find out Fullerton’s other Brady cops. That would really be interesting to find out.

    PRA request?

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    1. Travis Kiger Post author

      An officer’s Brady status is part of the untouchable personnel record, so they would never hand it over.

      Did you read the court doc? The entire appeal was about the city attorney going to extraordinary lengths (and cost) to hide the cops’ personnel records from the defense attorneys.

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      1. Erin

        So basically if a cop is on the Brady List s/he is protected from having their personnel records brought up in court for the defense as a non credible source to convict someone?

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        1. Travis Kiger Post author

          Other way around. Mater’s Brady status led to part of his personnel record being disclosed to the defense attorney, but the other cop was shielded.

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  7. Anonymous

    So Mater maybe helped this guy commit suicide or coached him, encouraged him, and then smashed his DAR to evade incrimination? Really?

    Any record of a lawsuit from the family?

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    1. Johnny Donut

      Well, I don’t think he would destroy a recording of himself trying to talk Mr. Dean out of killing himself, so…

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    2. SherBear

      I’m curious, too, are there any lawsuits as a result of this? More importantly, any ongoing investigation into this death?

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  8. streets of fullerton

    I hope we can someday know the truth about what really happened between Mater and Dean Gochenour .Mabey someone will speak up.

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    1. Anonymous

      Somebody knows what happened because they told their bosses what Mater’s role was and when confronted he destroyed his DAR.

      Allegedly! 🙂

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    1. Evrything's just Shell

      Streets- the FPD kills a guy in front of 100 witness..Imagine no witness’s what thay might have said or threatened this guy with..behind closed door with a badge and no witness’..and no DAR…

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      1. karma

        being there aren’t transparent, it leaves us only to think they have horrible things to hide. That is a natural human response.

        I am surprised the good ol boys with the CCWs and Chaz and Hughes haven’t had a party just to shoot their own feet and toast to it.

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  9. Concerned Texan

    I read the court document, and I don’t exactly under which blog I should post my response but here goes. Couldn’t “Haggerty supra” be used as an argument in a motion to gain access to specific information about force complaints in Cicinelli’s personnel file? Regardless if he is on the “Brady List” his actions are at the center of the dispute. And it also seems that NOT being on the Brady List is one of the main reasons a DA won’t go after you. If you can’t be reliable on the stand, why cover up all of an officer’s punishable misdeeds?

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    1. Steve Brow

      Texan, the California Police Officer’s Bill Of Rights was passed (post 911) to protect officers from being harrassed by unfounded complaints. Yet it is so strong that it prevents citizens agianst justice from corrupt cops. Add this the unrealistic pension rights given to cops in the dot com boom and you have a priviledged class on one hand doing a great service for the public but on the other hand raping the public.

      The FBI will prosecute the most egregious cases, but it is up to our State goverment to bring our system back into balance. Pray for us, the prospects do not look good so far.

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  10. Wrong Guy

    I recall an article, posted here I believe about how frustrated Bruce Whitaker was over THIS particular ‘cover-up’.

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  11. chikanon

    ya, ive been in the fullerton jail, and ill tell you it would be fairly difficult to actually hang yourself.

    and then the smashed recorder. YA right, . why is this not being investigated..!!!!! and in police custody. f$&ck…..

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    1. streets of fullerton

      I remember an article with public comments on this in the fullertonion but could not bring up the article from archive.

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    1. Anonymous

      Whitaker always wants more information.

      1) Didi he get it?

      2) If he didn’t why not?

      3) If he did what was it?

      Bruce? How about a statement?

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      1. Bruce Whitaker

        At my urging, the Michael Gennaco led internal investigation/review will include this disturbing death-in-custody case. Gennaco will report those findings soon.

        I inspected the jail a few months back. At that time my aim was to determine whether additional video and audio surveillance within the jail would have likely captured details about Gochenour’s death, and any exchanges between Officer Mater and Gochenour.

        Deliberate destruction of a DAR (digital audio recorder) is in my opinion such an extreme and suspicious act that only a COMPLETE release of ALL facts, source data and related evidence will suffice.

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  12. fullerton lover

    Actual quote from the original article from the O.C. Register says, ” Fullerton police investigators say Dean Francis Gochenour’s death was a suicide, with no suspicious circumstances”.

    Am I the only one that thinks that Mr. Gochenour was actually murdered at the hands of Officer Mater and that the DAR was smashed to eliminate a potential “witness”?

    Has this case been followed up by the District Attorney’s investigators as it stated in the article?

    I’d really like to see the results of the DA’s whitewash into this death, and if it smells like BS, we should see if we can’t get this case re-opened to try and bring some sense of justice to Mr. Gochenour’s family.

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    1. Lifesaving Service

      I read somewhere that the Coroners Office. told the family he was being embalmed to check for bruises, very unusual, “Cover Up” they had Something really big to hide.

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      1. Lifesaving Service

        Thats one reason why the Department showed so much BRAVADO.

        bravado
        1.
        a. Defiant or swaggering behavior: strove to prevent our courage from turning into bravado.
        b. A pretense of courage; a false show of bravery.
        2. A disposition toward showy defiance or false expressions of courage.

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  13. Wrong Guy

    “Am I the only one that thinks that Mr. Gochenour was actually murdered at the hands of Officer Mater and that the DAR was smashed to eliminate a potential “witness”?”.
    Based on FPDs (Fullerton’s Pathetic Disaster) responses as well as theories from commentors on this post and my own personal incarceration experience, this WAS a “Murder by Cops”. Conveniently committed in THEIR domain!

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  14. Wrong Guy

    Johnny Donut :Well, I don’t think he would destroy a recording of himself trying to talk Mr. Dean out of killing himself, so…

    You nailed it Donut!…
    That alone demonstrates obvious guilt! However, our wonderful legal system doesn’t see it that way, but a reasonable judge or jury would take that highly into consideration.

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  15. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Fred Alcazar :
    Excellent post, as always. So how can we find out Fullerton’s other Brady cops. That would really be interesting to find out.
    PRA request?

    Yes the PRA would be the best start. If any of you out there have GOOD friends who work the criminal defense arena, they too might be able to help you.

    You all might be surprised at what you find.

    The reason is, if a Brady Cop is part of a case about to go to trial, IT IS the District Attorneys DUTY based on Brady vs Maryland to give the DEFENSE attorney the names of Brady Cops.

    Brady covers ANY witness in all fairness. I don’t want everyone to think it’s just about cops.

    Brady Cop is a law enforcement judicial term often used.

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  16. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Travis Kiger :
    An officer’s Brady status is part of the untouchable personnel record, so they would never hand it over.
    Did you read the court doc? The entire appeal was about the city attorney going to extraordinary lengths (and cost) to hide the cops’ personnel records from the defense attorneys.

    NEGATIVE Travis, absolutely not correct. Please don’t assume this is a standard based on the document attached to this thread or the case surrounding it.

    If a “pitchess motion” is denied by the Superior Court Judge, it can be appealed. Well if you lose you lose. But it isn’t the standard in the State of California.

    A list of Brady Cops, is SUPPOSE to be maintained BY the DA’s office at ALL TIMES. It’s suppose to be an ongoing system updated as frequently as needed.

    You can find out if the guy is a Brady Cop by filing a “pitchess motion” which happens all the time by defense attorney’s if the cops conduct comes into question.

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    1. Travis Kiger Post author

      You’re talking about discovery in criminal court. I’m talking about public records access. Those are two very different things.

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  17. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Concerned Texan :
    I read the court document, and I don’t exactly under which blog I should post my response but here goes. Couldn’t “Haggerty supra” be used as an argument in a motion to gain access to specific information about force complaints in Cicinelli’s personnel file? Regardless if he is on the “Brady List” his actions are at the center of the dispute. And it also seems that NOT being on the Brady List is one of the main reasons a DA won’t go after you. If you can’t be reliable on the stand, why cover up all of an officer’s punishable misdeeds?

    Not being on a Brady list IS NOT a basis for giving anyone a pass.

    SIMPLE term people.

    If your name is on the local DA’s Brady list, the DA is suppose to give those names to the defense at somepoint prior to trial.

    Second most Brady cop ARE NOT working the street becasue if their on the list, the DA won’t file cases from the get go.

    Are their Brady cops out there, that are working the streets and should be on the list, YES!!!

    There is a chance a cop department did not report his Brady conduct to the DA. Generally happens during administrative hearing stuff and the department fail to inform the DA.

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    1. Concerned Texan

      Thanks for the response. Does the Brady list work the same way in the Kelly Thomas trial because the defendants are actually cops? I thought one of the points in the court document stated that the defense is eligible to have more than just the names and addresses in an officer’s personnel file when the officer’s conduct in question is central to the trial.

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  18. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Travis sorry I think I might have confused the issue a bit.

    If a “pitches motion” is successful and the judge releases information in the officers file that SHOW he or she lied during the official duties or during some court process, then that cop SHOULD BE on the DA’s Brady list.

    Is it possible the cops department failed to inform the DA of this conduct YES!!!!

    A “pitchess motion” if granted WILL BE held “in camera”, meaning in the judges chambers, OUTSIDE the presence of others.

    Usually present is the judge,dda, defense attorney and the custodain of records. Usually a member of the departments internal affairs.

    Bottomline is, a police department does not want ANYTHING in those files getting out into open court.

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  19. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Travis Kiger :
    You’re talking about discovery in criminal court. I’m talking about public records access. Those are two very different things.

    I am sorry, your right the public cannot EVER look into a cops file.

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  20. fullerton lover

    Thanks for your intelligent posts on this subject Anti Corruption Unit, as I don’t have a clue on the in’s and out’s of these types of matters, and find it very interesting to learn from someone with firsthand experience.

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  21. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Concerned Texan :
    Thanks for the response. Does the Brady list work the same way in the Kelly Thomas trial because the defendants are actually cops? I thought one of the points in the court document stated that the defense is eligible to have more than just the names and addresses in an officer’s personnel file when the officer’s conduct in question is central to the trial.

    Well in this case, the defense attorney’s are COP attorney’s. So the dynamics change BIG TIME.

    Can a cop witness against Ramos and Cincinelli be challenged on Brady issues YES!!!!

    If the testimony to be given is damning to their clients, and that cop is a Brady cop, yes they will be challenged.

    If the testimony is so damning and the defense attorney’s fail to bring that information out it MIGHT be grounds for a serious malpractice claim later on down the road.

    MIGHT be grounds for an appeal too.

    My concern is Michael Swartz (Cincinellis lawyer) law firm DOES NOT care about cops who lie. Again more on that later.

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    1. Concerned Texan

      I’m really interested in what you have to say/type. Please tell us more when you can. I am especially interested in your opinions concerning Cicinelli’s possible defense. After watching the other post, it seems like he might have done this before. Couldn’t having access to possible similar complaints in Cicinelli’s file prove this?

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  22. AntiCorruptionUnit

    fullerton lover :
    Thanks for your intelligent posts on this subject Anti Corruption Unit, as I don’t have a clue on the in’s and out’s of these types of matters, and find it very interesting to learn from someone with firsthand experience.

    It’s my humble pleasure. I would not be here if I hadn’t seen all the smoke FPD was trying to blow up everyone’s butt from DAY 1.

    Make NO mistake, there are a few who will say all I say is BS, that’s ok. They can challenge me anytime they wish. I hope they do their homework, and don’t be impressed simply by one’s title if their calling BS.

    I am well within the ball park on my comments.

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  23. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Let my MOTIVES be clear to all who are reading.

    It’s not about bashing ALL cops. It about the corrupt ones.

    Specificially THEIR leaders who are the MOST responsible for allowing or being part of a culture of corruption.

    That would include city leaders who turned a blind eye to this stuff for whatever reason.

    THERE are MANY,MANY good cops out there who need not work for bosses who have their own agenda, play politics everyday while they try and do their jobs.

    For those cops who are corrupt and play their bosses game, may the rath of public scrutiny descend upon them.

    ALL of you must understand the good cops out there are AFRAID to speak up and suffer the rath of the corrupt ones which I hope is a very small group. VERY small.

    DO NOT treat every FPD officer as if he is a crook.

    YOU have every right to be suspicious of everyone of them. Keep an OPEN mind, but be WATCHFUL of their conduct at this time.

    If they are treating you with RESPECT at the moment, PLEASE do the same to them.

    THANK YOU.

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    1. Wrong Guy

      Your on a roll today, ACU; this comment above is SO right on.
      You’ll find if you smile at most any cop, in a public surrounding, they will give you the same back. Cops are people too.
      That being said, I’ve been friends/acquaintances with some cops over the years who were either neighbors, my son’s baseball coach, etc. and they were all seemingly normal and pleasant individuals. I would bet, however that they would immediately turn their backs on me if one of their more ‘trouble making’ counterparts started to harrass me in public.
      This I say from experience.

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    2. SherBear

      ACU: I’m curious if we’ve met (at my recall table at Staters). Are you in law enforcement in another city and have already gone through a (successful) housecleaning?

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  24. truthseeker

    ACU— “Specificially THEIR leaders who are the MOST responsible for allowing or being part of a culture of corruption.

    That would include city leaders who turned a blind eye to this stuff for whatever reason.””

    BINGO

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  25. Anonymous

    I challenge FPD to produce one honest cop who will speak the truth of what goes on behind the blue curtain at Commonwealth and Highland.

    Cue the silence.

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  26. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Anonymous :
    I challenge FPD to produce one honest cop who will speak the truth of what goes on behind the blue curtain at Commonwealth and Highland.
    Cue the silence.

    That probably won’t happen my friend.

    If Hughes or someone else screws over someone then it might.

    Of course they might try and pull a “Bushala” and call him/her disgruntled. LOL!!!

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    1. Anonymous

      Indeed friend. I know a couple of people at the FPD and they seem like pretty good folks. That said, not one has stood up and spoken the truth about not only Kelly, but the long standing, serial abuses committed by the department. The blue wall protects dirty cops and doesn’t protect the citizens who pay their liberal salaries, benefits and pensions. At the end of the day, their silence in the face of so many despicable incidents can only mean that the agree with that behavior.

      Q: How many Brady Cops does it take to make a Fullerton Police Department?

      A: 149

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  27. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Concerned Texan :
    I’m really interested in what you have to say/type. Please tell us more when you can. I am especially interested in your opinions concerning Cicinelli’s possible defense. After watching the other post, it seems like he might have done this before. Couldn’t having access to possible similar complaints in Cicinelli’s file prove this?

    At this time I would not be to comfortable attempting that.

    WHY, because I don’t know how solid a case the DA has or will attempt to present.

    The DA’s sidestepping the other cops involved threw up some red flags for me.

    As mentioned before by others, is this case designed to fail? I just don’t know right now.

    As to the lawyers, one specifically, I’d rather go on a rant about them when a specific thread comes out talking about the LAWYERS.

    I hope it will, becasue that is a WHOLE other issue of police corruption. Behind the scenes stuff. Union corruption.

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  28. Tracey

    I hope the family of this man sues the city of Fullerton for millions.

    This cop knowingly destroyed evidence. I never believed this guy committed suicide. If he had, why did the cop destroy his recorder.

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  29. Lou Ponsi's Conscience

    I’ve had enough. I can’t take this any more. Sucking up shit from lying, stealing, killing cops is killing me.

    Oh wait, that right. I don’t exist.

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  30. AntiCorruptionUnit

    SherBear :
    ACU: I’m curious if we’ve met (at my recall table at Staters). Are you in law enforcement in another city and have already gone through a (successful) housecleaning?

    No I don’t think we met. I haven’t appeared at any recall tables in my day. Yes I am former law enforcement. 20 years.

    No my former department is FAR more corrupt that FPD. FPD would be the LAPD Dragnet style in comparison to where I’ve worked.

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    1. SherBear

      I suppose not. The person I met is still actively employed with an office in L.A. county. He spoke very well of the different phases of taking care of a bad station from resistance to enforcement and finally compliance. He is not with the sheriff dept.

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  31. Wrong Guy

    Holy Sh&#!
    I was just talking to a neighbor the other day who lived in Hesperia and told me he witnessed his share of abuse by SBCS; particularly with Hispanics.

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  32. AntiCorruptionUnit

    In reading the ENTIRE court ruling from the 4th District in this thread, it appears BOTH Ramos and Cincinelli’s ENTIRE personnel file will be up for discussion, since THEY are defendants in a criminal trial.

    Despite this court ruling you can BET it will be argued by defense counsel again.

    That is of course if the DA even filed a “pitches motion”.

    BUT all is not lost if all one gets is names,addresses and phone numbers from previous complaintants.

    In fact if SOMEONE didn’t do their job and left things out, the IA guys lied and cheated at the behest of the Chief, we again have another scandal.

    I don’t see the court ruling on this particular cop to be a serious issue as it relates to obtaining information from his file. Not all was lost in any sense.

    Someone just had to do a little more leg work.

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  33. plain ornery

    I heard the President of the United States of Anerica say in his State of the Nation speech yesterday evening say; anybody that does not agree with “me”, ” DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT”.
    Are such phrases to be a standard for future leaders?
    If such rhetoric is to be recognized as an inducement to join the team, don,t be surprised when one of your selected yes persons adds a little extra ingredient to your soup.
    As for internal threats of retaliation by peers against you, don’t select a Brady type for your back-up. You may have a higher possibility of getting shot in the back from your partner than you have from getting shot by that person in front of you.
    There exists a witness protection program. Look into it…

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  34. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Wrong Guy :
    Holy Sh&#!
    I was just talking to a neighbor the other day who lived in Hesperia and told me he witnessed his share of abuse by SBCS; particularly with Hispanics.

    Like I said earlier, FPD is a carousel ride compared to SBSD.

    You think McKinley and his clones are bad, LOL they are priests compared to what goes on around here.

    And the DA here is as dirty as the rest.

    Where you ALL shine is your resolve and anti-recall efforts and this VERY active blog.

    You all are much smarter than the folks up here.

    As McKinley would say, YOU are different from them others.

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    1. Spunky

      As McKinley would say, YOU are different from them others.

      Every day I wake up and there is something new!!!
      And yes HeBear McFucknut we are not like other girls and I will work as hard as I have to for as long as I need to in order to shine a light on your cover-up!

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  35. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Jack :
    Did you work the mean streets with Ron Thomas?

    No don’t know Ron personally or anything about his adventures with LASD.

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      1. Justice for All

        Can’t? or won’t? Perhaps, if Ron Thomas signed a release form authorizing the release of a Verification of Employment, THEN the OCSD would release the employment information. However, I’m quite sure that proving the dates of his past employment with the OCSD is one of the very LAST things on Ron’s mind at the moment.

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  36. plain ornery

    Those streets are made mean by the people that are in them.
    Many PDs & various LEOs contribute to this reality with the attitude of us against them.
    The prevailing attitude appears to be : shoot first and ask questions later, of course if you shoot all those confronted the only life you save will be your own.
    The general populace may be nearing a point of saturation of abrasive and inhumane procedures and actions by the police powers in this country.

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      1. plain ornery

        If the interpretation of your comment was by the same LEOs that defined and charged the OWS people with lynching, it may be considered as a threat by those with that “us against them attitude”.
        Paranoia is not restricted to individuals and in organizations is permeated from the top level and supported by like kind in mid-level positions.

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  37. Tuco Ramirez

    San Berdoo Sheriff Dept, home of ROY ROGERS! Gee, this ol coot was at Roy’s Ranch while it was in limbo lookin for a buyer after his death. I had horses boarded at the ranch that backed up to his ranch. Nuthin fancy, just another horse ranch.
    Had no idea during my several visits that the area was gonna be under a culture of corruption! The people that vote must look the other way figuring those hispanics that don’t vote must be illegals so its ok to just shoot them first and ask the corpse the questions later! A real eye opening big of info for Tuco. Remember “He who messes with Tuco…..”

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  38. heardonthestreet

    Could it be true that our own A. Rincon is now a girls water polo coach and all the showers have flavored soap. raspberry,blueberry,strawberry, chocolate,and his favorite-cherry.

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  39. Wrong Guy

    I wonder if this was the same sexual predator that FPD said was stalking women at CSUF a couple of months ago? The sketch drawing they put out on the news looks like it could be this same guy.

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  40. Lifesaving Service

    “April 15, 2011 at 10:46 pm
    Dean was my ex-husband, we had a beautiful daughter together in her first year of college. We were friends and spoke as recently as last week about our daughter and how proud we were of her. He would NOT have hung himself, no matter how much he had been drinking. This makes no sense and is so very sad and alarming. We found out about his death early this morning, you can only imagine how upsetting it has been for us and his family. My daughter has had to grow up very fast today. She bravely visited the Coroner’s office to retrieve his belongings (but they never gave her his clothes). She visited the Fullerton Jail to request a police report (and noticed how small of a jailhouse it was); to her it was strange that no one noticed him plotting an “alleged” suicide. She has had to endure the reality that the love of her life, her daddy, is gone. No parent should have to listen to their child cry over the death of the unexpected loss of a parent. The coroner’s office told her they could not release the body until next Tuesday because they were currently embalming him looking for bruises. My daughter then was told by the attendant that this was an unusual procedure. My daughter thought it odd that the attendant did not seem at all surprised when my daughter mentioned this sounded like a cover up. The shirt they are showing he was wearing in these news articles is hardly the shirt that one could easily tear up in a matter of minutes, plot a plan of action and go unnoticed by jailhouse personnel. Something is very fishy here. If anyone was witness to the events of last night, was jailed in that facility at the same time or knows of anything, please come forward.”
    http://fullertonstories.com/suicide-at-the-fullerton-police-dept-jail/

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  41. Lifesaving Service

    “Everything about the FPD is repugnant

    Something has to be done to reign in these latchkey adolescents–aka the FPD.

    Look at comment two in the Fullerton Stories. Police with no supervision is like leaving your kids home alone after school, or in the library. They do what they want and are not mature enough to have good judgment.

    _______________________________________________
    I’ve posted about this man before, and I think he sees the light. Read more if you are interested:

    http://www.thenation.com/article/164501/paramilitary-policing-seattle-occupy-wall-street

    Paramilitary Policing From Seattle to Occupy Wall Street
    Norm Stamper
    November 9, 2011

    “…Much of the problem is rooted in a rigid command-and-control hierarchy based on the military model…In the interest of “discipline,” too many police bosses treat their frontline officers as dependent children, which helps explain why many of them behave more like juvenile delinquents than mature, competent professionals. It also helps to explain why persistent, patterned misconduct, including racism, sexism, homophobia, brutality, perjury and corruption, do not go away, no matter how many blue-ribbon panels are commissioned or how much training is provided”.”
    http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/suicide-in-fullerton-jail-should-raise-some-questions/

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  42. Lifesaving Service

    #208 by CackleFoos on November 25, 2011
    You’re serious, right?

    I have absolutely no doubt that cops from Fullerton and other agencies come in here to primarily watch, but also to occasionally harass and intimidate. No doubt whatsoever.

    The LE mindset is based on controlling the citizen and to that end, at least in their mind, sniping with childish posts they think aren’t obvious to anyone is just another way they masturbate their ego.

    Bunny rabbits hiding behind a twig again.

    #209 by Reality Is on November 29, 2011
    Yea I’m serious.

    That’s not why I come here and I really don’t think Fullerton cops care what FFFF says or even want to know what they say. Why would they? There is nothing positive here for them. Goes back to what I said before. You notice how quiet everything is? Mumbling and grumbling here but outside of this box it’s very quiet, business as usual. That’s why the say nothing tactic works in many aspects of life these days, politically and in public relations.
    http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/suicide-in-fullerton-jail-should-raise-some-questions/

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  43. Lifesaving Service

    “But that’s all it is, just like some of my theories and other bloggers.

    If you want to confirm that theory, then we would need to LOOK into Cincinelli’s personnel file and training files to find the answers, or at least confirm our theories are on the right track.

    Absent of that, the theory will remain moot.” -AntiCorruptionUnit , an-eye-for-an-eye-the-anatomy-of-a-beat-down/

    I think Jon and Kens Insider to FPD (Youtubed 2nd insider disguised voice) said he had 2 incidents with obvious abuse of less than fortunate young female victims. (Made me nausious)

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    1. Lifesaving Service

      I think there is more wrongdoing.

      At least in a Horror Movie, you get to go home to you family and neighbors.

      Maybe, the O.C. Fire personnel can help, they are the ones that get to do some of the really big suffering from this kind of stupidity.

      Link is to live OC Metro Net. RadioReference click on speaker (listen icon or select your type of audio player) Its VERY VERY educational and informative.
      http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=6624

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    2. Ron Bless America

      WHEN ARE THE PROTESTS GOING TO START BACK UP?

      When Ron says so. Ron = TV Cameras and most people don’t give a crap unless there are TV cameras around.

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  44. Anon-ista

    I ask because Bankhead’s wishful thinking of “invalid signatures” made me do some basic math.

    Are you guys aware that we can have as much as 45% of the sigs be invalid, yet still easily have the10K to recall those twats?

    loooolll

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  45. The Fullerton Harpoon

    Interesting. So Mater was abusive to the guy before he went into the cell?

    That begs the question, who else was responsible for jail operations?

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  46. Joe Sipowicz

    Okay, so it’s worse than we thought. Mater, a Brady cop, was still working the streets in 2011?

    If so, we’ve got more problems from the Culture of Corruption: deploying cops who can’t make an arrest that will hold up.

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  47. FullerOrange

    From the LAUSD to the Catholic Church to city government to FPD in this day and age it is all about protecting the guilty and stonewalling the public. How did we get to this level of corruption in our schools, churches and government. If the stonewalling goes all the up to the DA in the Kelly case good luck. It’s all about survival….political and otherwise. I don’t think the three stooges will survive because they are too dumb and are in way too deep. As far as FPD goes, unless leadership is brought in from the outside you will continue to have the same repeated failures over and over again. Replace the three losers, replace the leadership in the FPD and Fullerton might have a chance to rebuild a tarnished but still shine-able image…..

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      1. James Cameron

        “The report by independent consultant Mike Gennaco on the Fullerton Police Department’s response in the Kelly Thomas case will be presented to the Fullerton City Council at its Tuesday, Feb. 21, meeting.”

        What the hell does that mean? Response to what? Meanwhile the report on the individuals involved comes out later?

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        1. Johnny Donut

          The Gennaco report on the individuals involved in the Kelly Thomas case will never come out. It’s going to the hands of Chief Hughes, who will clutch it tightly while bloviating about the departments new era of transparency.

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          1. Fullerton Ruler

            They will tag some of the report “personnel files” because they contain confidential information. Thin line to follow in the case. Will be interesting to watch for sure.

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  48. AntiCorruptionUnit

    Joe Sipowicz :
    Okay, so it’s worse than we thought. Mater, a Brady cop, was still working the streets in 2011?
    If so, we’ve got more problems from the Culture of Corruption: deploying cops who can’t make an arrest that will hold up.

    Yep that would be pretty bad. Again the responsibility falls upon Sellers for sure.

    But something came up along the way, then they threw him into the jail to work.

    So at a glance they covered for him at least twice, when they should have shown him the door.

    Then the third time if that is ALL there is, he screws up in the jail, a man dies, Mater destroys his tape recorder.

    A clear crime. If the DA says their still looking at that, feel free to call BS on that too.

    It does not take months to look at a PC 135 violation and decide to file a case or not.

    I have walk case to the DA myself, sat down with him or her, they read the case, filed it, or got a warrant for arrest within a hour or so.

    My point it can be done.

    But as some have said about criminal cases, NOT FILED in the “interest of justice”.

    A simple rubber stamp for many issues that could be good or bad.

    I bet there is more to this guys FILE than we will ever know.

    But again the “confidentiality” laws are being abused and used to cover up misdeeds.

    So allowing Sellers to retire in the manner he did and skate out the back door is another cover up in itself.

    His high blood pressure jumped up when all this crap came to light, crap Sellers CREATED. Create you own STRESS, it can be challenged in a worksman comp case.

    The didn’t deal with Mater or Sellers as they should, becasue BOTH issues have a ton of STINK attached to the BASIC story.

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    1. James Cameron

      No, read the update. Mater arrested the guy and brought him in.

      My guess is he taunted and verbally abused the guy, someone at the front desk overheard and reported it. Hence the subsequent smashing of the DAR.

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  49. AntiCorruptionUnit

    James Cameron :
    No, read the update. Mater arrested the guy and brought him in.
    My guess is he taunted and verbally abused the guy, someone at the front desk overheard and reported it. Hence the subsequent smashing of the DAR.

    My apology I missed the key words there. SORRY!!

    Thank you.

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  50. van get it da artiste

    and again I belabor the obvious, molestations, jail beat down to death then labeled suicide, murder, perjury, theft, and where was homeboy Rusty Kennedy and his civil rights mission as defined by his Orange County Human Relations Commission to protect the public from police abuses? Maybe someone should ask Rusty that hard question and maybe he will let Pat McKinley who served Rusty on his commission’s board to answer it for the public.

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    1. Jane H

      “Maybe someone should ask Rusty that hard question and maybe he will let Pat McKinley who served Rusty on his commission’s board to answer it for the public.”

      But McDodo is a liar, so even if he answered, it will be unreliable.

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  51. Tuco Ramirez

    Simply put Vince Mater is a turd! All Brady cops should be fired. The California code needs revision. If a cop cannot testify in cases he is not fit for duty and should be retired. If he or she does not have enough service, well, too bad! You should have thought about that when you decided to lie or withhold evidence.

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