The Mighty Peculiar Tale of Officer Joe Wolfe
By now everyone is at least casually familiar with the personage of FPD cop Joe Wolfe, who along with Manny Ramos, happened to be the first to confront the homeless schizophrenic man, Kelly Thomas, in the Fullerton Transportation Center, on the sultry night of July 5th, 2011.
Allegedly responding to a call claiming somebody was breaking into cars, Wolfe and Ramos were near enough to get to the scene first. Some folks think this was not a coincidence.
According to the DA, Wolfe searched Thomas’ backpack at the rear of a patrol car as Ramos hovered over Thomas around front – a mere 10-15 feet away. The fact that this implausibly lengthy “search” took place during Ramos’ physical and verbal intimidation of Kelly gave the DA his justification for Wolfe’s subsequent behavior.
What happened next (according to the DA) is that Kelly, who finally realized he was being queued up for an ass kicking one way or another, got up, and backed away from Ramos, hands and palms up; Ramos had pulled out his baton. And who was there to meet Thomas with drawn night stick, having circled around behind the patrol car and who suddenly seemed very much aware of what was going on?
Right. Officer Joe Wolfe.
This corpulent cop, who was so thoroughly engrossed in picking through Thomas’ scant belongings that he supposedly had no knowledge of what was happening a few feet away, suddenly became as nimble as Nijinski, allegedly slamming Kelly in the leg with his night stick, and with Ramos, tackling Thomas. As Ramos held Thomas by the neck and punched him, Wolfe was on top too, kicking and punching as the beat down and the pile on began.
We are asked (by the DA) to believe that Wolfe was completely unaware of Ramos verbally threatening Thomas, and donning his latex gloves; and that he was merely coming to Ramos’ rescue. Could it have happened that way? I guess so, but it really strains credulity to believe that Wolfe was not aware of the provacative behavior of Ramos, even if there were no pre-arranged set up of Kelly involved. And the DA provided no credible explanation for the sheer violence of his physical assault: we are left with the inevitable conclusion that Wolfe meant to do Kelly great bodily harm.
How many times did Wolfe hit Thomas before the one-eyed cop Jay Cicinelli arrived on the scene to finish him off? Only those privileged cops (and city councilmen) who have seen the video know.
Many questions remain unanswered about the role of Mr. Wolfe on the night in question, and despite the DA’s effort to absolve Wolfe of complicity in the killing, many observers, including me, remain unconvinced.
One thing we do know for sure: Joe Wolfe joins an ever growing list of Fullerton cops who can’t be let loose on the street or trusted to testify in court. He has been on paid leave since August. And until the Gennaco report on the Thomas killing comes out, there he will stay.
194 Replies to “The Mighty Peculiar Tale of Officer Joe Wolfe”
Jesus, another Slim Jim.
Those fat heads, triple chins, beer guts, blubber butts, thunder thighs, tubs of lard, etc. should be classified as deadly weapons. That load crushed Kelly’s chest. Poor, poor Kelly; he never had even the slightest chance of surviving with those massive, raging elephants sitting on top of him and beating him to death.
I agree. The DA seemed mighty eager to exonerate Wolfe. Can’t have too many loose ends out there for when you drop the whole thing!
There does seem to be a real issue with the physical condition of way too many of the Fullerton cops.
Read you are getting the HELL out of this country.
That says alot.
I agree. Seems to be a national crisis, overweight, out of shape cops. Is this why they have such a need for tasers? It seems to be rampant, cops tasering people for things as miniscule as not gettting their license fast enough, or backtalking an ‘officer’. There needs to be STRICT regulations on this, and more…apparently. Seems that a damn cop should be in good enough shape to handle someone with, no gun, no weapon….Hell, no shirt! Things have gone TERRIBLY wrong.
Why is there not physical fitness and appearance requirements for officers?
The narrative doesn’t make sense. Maybe Wolfe is supposed to be the star witness or something, but I doubt it.
Savage, I thought about that, too. getting Wolfe to cop a plea would have made sense. But the DA has gone on TV and exonerated him so he’s got no leverage.
No, sadly I believe Wolfy just got a pass because things were just getting too controversial/complicated for Rackauckas to bend his mind around.
I had my thoughts about that too. Does anyone have access to a database that could provide the amount of convictions or cases which rest on officer Wolfe? There are too many “fat bodies” (Army term) on the FPD.
Holy Hell, is that why FPD needs a this:
Captain Dan Hughes-Uniform Division Commander (listed on Fullerton webpage)
No the DA did NOT exonerate those he did not charge.
He said he felt he could NOT prove “criminal responsibility”. My opinion he left the door WIDE OPEN on that.
Of course I say BS to that.
FPD exonerated the other 4. But one or more of them could indeed be a prosecution witness.
Glad he didn’t say he isn’t filing charges in the “interest of justice”.
Again the preliminary hearing scheduled to go in March, that I don’t think will go AT ALL, will tell us a better story.
But YES to what others say, another portly individual on the team.
God I can only imagine what a 1,000 plus pounds would feel like on a guy who weighed what Kelly did.
I bet my butt not many foot pursuits are won these days.
Well, yes. I reviewed the video. At first Rackaukas said there was no evidence about Wolfe, but then went out of his way to positively excuse Wolfe’s behavior instead of just shutting up. It was weird.
Is every frigging cop at FPD a lard ass? What’s up with this?
These raping murderous brigands need to lay off the donuts and pork rinds or they won’t live long enough to enjoy the full benefits of their retirement scam.
Perhaps if you could actually get you to chase you on foot you might be able to cause them to stroke out.
Surprisingly Calif cops are in better shape than other states. Look at the office down site. So many cops from east of Calif die of heart attacks in training, fights, chases. Doesn’t happen often in Calif but I know most big cops don’t chase at all. They just rely on the radio, perimeters, dogs.
Is it a safe guess that Wolfe may be the third individual who will be charged by the FBI?
I am hoping that if there is a Federal investigation they will delve into the question of the phone call and whether Ramos, Wolfe and/or Cicinelli knew about it before hand.
Does anybody know if Ramos, Wolfe or Cicinelli hung out at the Slidebar?
A Federal investigation into what? My understanding is that there will be 3 individuals charged by the FBI after the DA’s case concludes.
I guess it would center on deprivation of civil rights, a la Rodney King.
That’s why Fullerton police believes in the taser; that way all these fat fucks of the FPD won’t have to break a sweat chasing their innocent victims.
They could simply point, pull trigger and electrocute them.
Maybe that’s why tasers are used so often USA wide?
LOL. Funny you should say ‘Wide’. LOL
You have something against fat cops?
Fat cops keep the donut shop myth alive.
It’s not myth in my neighborhood. I drive by Winchells and there they are.
Yeah, fat cops keep the donut shop stereotype from being a myth
It’s not a myth, in Long Beach there is a Krispy Kreme Donuts RIGHT NEXT DOOR to the large police substation on Los Coyotes Diagonal.
Great question for Popoff, or however you spell the owner of Slidebar’s name.
He would probably go for the selective silence ie. take the 5th on that question.
Hell no! They’re my favorite. Why? Cause they’re easy to outrun…
Hey WG, FR is a little defensive about suggesting that cops could stroke out on a foot chase! Apparently ALL cops in California NEVER stroke out, EVERYBODY east has strokes etc. And look! He didn’t provide one verifiable statistic.
Yes, isn’t he SO RI-ish…
Did you follow Jane H’s link yesterday? There were some awesome piggy pics!
Charges will be filed against every single person found to be involved in the murder of Kelly Thomas.
How long will this take?
“And until the Gennaco report on the Thomas killing comes out, there he will stay.”
Gennaco who??? He has pulled a “SSSSSilva Maneuver” and hopes this we all just goes away quietly.
What the hell are we paying this guy for, it couldn’t possible take this long!! If Hughes watched the video 400 times , does that mean Gennaco is in a hypnotic viewing loop and can’t break away? (Ca-ching ca-ching ca-ching)
I pray to all things Holy that there really will be an FBI investigation.
Speaking of ‘fat-ass’ cops, does anyone know how heavy Sergeant Craig and Officer Blatney are?
Actually WG, I think that’s a good question. I got a visual that made me shudder.
Come to the council meeting this next Tuesday; we urge you…
Would that be 3 other than Ramos and Cicinelli?
I believe a total of 3 individuals will be federally indicted.
KFI news just announced,
1st part Gennaco report regarding Kelly Thomas expected to be read at Tues council meeting. 2nd part of the report, regarding FPD policies/procedures expected in March
Officer Wolfe has also recently underwent his second surgery to repair his shoulder from the damage inflicted by Kelly Thomas. As most of you know Ron Thomas is a trainer of police and military in the fighting arts of the orient., Kelly was trained by Ron in these fighting methods because of his traing, Kelly was able to inflict great bodily injury on Officer Wolfe a person working a job to feed his family.
That explains it. He’s medically retiring. Now it all makes sense.
I did know about Ron Thomas being a martial arts trainer in the military and he trained other deputies how to properly apprehend (without hits to the facial area of course).
So what your saying is that Kelly wooped up on one or two of these officers and they simply ‘lost it’.
Sounds very possible. But I don’t buy your ‘great bodily injury that Kelly inflicted which Officer Wolfe had to undergo surgery.’ AND do you have some evidence of this injury or surgery?
That’s what I thought.
Shoulder. Prior injury. Reinjured. Surgery. Retire.
How hard and how many times do you have to hit someone before you injure your own shoulder?
Not how many times. How many years?
I thought reports were Wolfe or Dog or whatever, was at the back of his squad car and didnt see or hear anything-so Kelly must have gotten up and attacked him.
Yeah, coplicker fantasy pig, Kelly who was schitzophrenic, was a closet black belt in karate and thats why it took 6 fat load nazi Keystone thugs to jump on him, beat him and murder him.
All so they can feed their families.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! I have tears in my eyes.
You can’t be serious.
Jane. This is a serious matter. Don’t laugh. Ha!!!!!!!!!!
I get it. Fatso tore his rotor cuff smashing his elbow into Kelly Thomas’ head?
Wolfe looks like he did a pretty good job feeding himself!!
As most of you know Ron Thomas is a trainer of police and military in the fighting arts of the orient.
Kelly was trained by Ron in these fighting methods because of his traing,
NOT A TRUE STATEMENT
Kelly was able to inflict great bodily injury on Officer Wolfe a person working a job to feed his family
Officer Wolfe inflicted great bodily injury on himself as he smashed Kelly’s face.
Well, actually, he re-injured that trick shoulder he hurt playing Freshman football (he never made varsity because he couldn’t get over the obstacle course).
My bad on #34. First part was for ACU:
Come to the council meeting this coming Tuesday; we urge you…
Somone commented earlier that Gennaco will be presenting his report at 4:30pm next Tuesday.
Is this in closed session?
Will it be discussed for the public at the regular 6:30pm meeting?
Anyway, you would be a good candidate, among others to call BS on what needs to be called BS on from that report.
We could all team up in need-be in the public comments portion of the meeting and if they won’t answer our questions, we could at least communicate the reality (starting to hate that word) to the council and at least rally behind Bruce Whitaker who would be the only current council member to call BS on anything.
Anyways, come on down ACU and at least we’ll all get to meet each other and Tony could by you a drink. LOL (that is, IF you drink)
I think 430 is open. Then closed. Then not on the agenda for the main portion.
Wrong, did you just say “by” a drink? You know that type of GED talk is not allowed here as far as I have read. Ha!
Wow!! Ya got me F.R. That was definitley some GED spelling on my part.
I know damn well it’s spelled bie…
It’s ok. I liked it.
Now your comment there, incomplete sentence and all, looks just like one of those Reality Is quotes without the ‘smiley face’.
In fact, if you ARE Reality Is, shame on you for not admitting it when I called you on it the other day.
Anyway, are you a regular at these city council meetings in Fullerton?
In case you are, I’m the one that kind of resembles Micheal J. Fox, height and all, but not the bank accounts.
Perhaps we could meet up this next Tuesday…
WG, he’s too busy gambling. Really.
From a gambling site:
“Date: 05 Aug 2003 23:08:38
From: Patrick B. OMalley
Subject: Re: I am sorry, but who is this PBOCOP I hear so much
LOL. He’s just a pig that lurks in this room taking bacon scraps and jelley
from dropped donuts.
I’m just a long term poster, that reads posts that look or appear interesting,
been playing poker for several years, play on line more than live now, and have
been a winning player for many years.
And yes…PBOCOP is always me. Nothing more, nothing less.
If I’m wrong, sue me.
I think Reality Is has more to do with Fullerton than that guy.
RI just might be Sellers…
Hmmm…I’m not so sure.
RI and FR=PBOCOP and IMO you can take it to the bank. Of course FR would try to deflect this, as he has since he started posting. FR may even be a cop buddy of his…maybe, but I seriously doubt it. Proof enough is PBOCOP took down his website yesterday.
go back and search the FFFF posts by Claremont Resident or Pomona PD trying to out him since at least August 2011. Not many bought it back then. He would blow it off like..”yeah, I know O’Malley” but he isn’t me.”
Jane also nailed it with “That’s me in a nutshell:)” on his website before he took it down.
My guess is the reason he is so interested in Fullerton is multi-fold:
I say there is some connection with Dave Ellis,
I also say there is a connection with a ” journalist” in Fullerton who supports Sellars.
as a coincidence,it is reported (by a lawsuit filing I found on the web)that Sgt O’Malley just so happened to have beat a man (7/4/11) that was later killed by Pomona police force in October 2011. Last name Avila, family is suing the Pomona PD, it can be googled. I am not saying it was justified or not, just an eery coincidence to Kelly and the date, etc.
I am sure there are links we don’t know about, possibly Sellar connection, etc etc.
There is no doubt in my mind who “he” is but it doesn’t really matter, he is still a cop troll no matter what his name is. He has no impact on Fullerton other than to stir up shit on this blog and push people’s buttons. Fullerton Ruler wants you to beleive he is in the “inner circle”, but I call BS on this. RI/FR loves to mess with your head,….just like a cop does. 🙂
But hey, that is just my opinion, like butts…we all have one.
And I respect your opinion.
LOL! I want what you’re smoking!
Karma and anyone else who gives a rat’s ass, Reality Is and Fullerton Ruler are not the issue here. Neither is the “journalist.” Reality Is and Fullerton Ruler are simply another opinion here on this blog.
I laugh as I read posts wanting to out Reality Is and Fullerton Ruler, because you’re playing right into the hands of Dave Ellis and cronies. Aren’t you running a recall here? Don’t you have other issues to contend with than some cop and assistant DA who are commenting on here? YES!
I’d like to give a suggestion to admin to somewhat make the comments flow with the blog post at hand. If you are talking about unfunded pension liabilities, have the comments be about unfunded pension liabilities. (A show of hands-how many of you know what they are?) If the blog post is on the illegal water tax, make the comments be about that.
Just some thoughts to help the cause. I think Karma’s gonna be a bitch otherwise.
I know you’re having fun with all of this, and to a certain extent it is funny, in a serious kind of way. The problem is that people are getting hurt and killed for NO good reason.
The war on drugs is not working, nor or those DUI checkpoint that you love. The jails have become the de facto mental institutions for people who should be getting help instead. PDs all over the US are run under a cloud of secrecy, even when they clearly are committing criminal acts against the very people they supposed to protect. Criminalizing everything is not working.
So, it is really not funny at all, when you think about it.
Oh, for ‘corn sake’!!!
What the hell was that all about?
Never mind. Forget I asked.
Back to the program please!!!
THanks, but my comment #63 was in response to an RI comment about that O’Malley guy; now it’s GONE.
RI gets NO respect here.
Why is that? Anyone? Merijoe?
Reality is Reality Is comes and goes. Reality. Life. Embrace it.
I got the response on email but looks like it is deleted already. They delete anything he posts right away.
If I copy and paste from my email I’ll probably get deleted too.
Why not try it, and find out? 🙂
You are funny.
“RI gets NO respect here. ”
Because he’s player, and rather insincere.
My comment #63 I referred to above went to #65 and now it’s at #72.
I can’t keep up.
Back to work I go. See ya.
You really cant go by numbers-they tend to change-that’s what I’ve noticed.
I think he is O’Malley, but he won’t admit it.
“Oh, for ‘corn sake’!!!”
You know WG, I’ve read this page several times, and this makes me laugh every time.
LOL…Got that from Fred Mertz(?) from an I Love Lucy episode..
Officer Joe Wolfe — guilty as sin.
Mr. Peabody, you indicate that there are privileged city council members who have seen the infamous video. Who has and who hasn’t seen it? If not all of them have seen it, why are others being excluded?
Unless Mr. Peabody responds back, I believe we could only speculate that the cop-council has seen the polecam video. That is McKinley & Bankhead because they were fomer FPD cops.
Since Bruce Whitaker has requested to view the video and Mr. McArrogant says he ‘violently opposes’ all council to review the video, one can read between the lines and through the bullshit.
McKinley saw it for sure. I think all 3 saw it in Sellers office. No way possible they didn’t see it.
“I think all 3 saw it in Sellers office.”
And, how do you know that?
Yes, it says “think”, but why does he think that? It’s always the same. Nothing to back it up.
I believe McKinley saw it.
I’m willing to give Wolfe the benefit of the doubt at this point. He might not have heard everything Ramos said if a train or bus was passing through or his radio was blaring in his ear. You’d think he would get the clue looking at body language, but I don’t know…
The video should settle this once and for all.
I’m not feeling so charitable, although at this point we obviously don’t know what he knew or didn’t know. I am going on the DA’s description and find it very hard to explain Wolfe’s alleged violent attack on Kelly Thomas.
It seems so out of proportion that premeditation has to be considered.
Scroll up to the top of this page and examine the photo of Wolfe. Although it doesn’t show him the night of July 5th, it shows something that should be examined further to determine his role.
He wears his speaker microphone on his chest. In noisy environments, a lot of sound is lost because the speaker is facing outward, away from a person’s ears. The volume must be increased considerably to compensate — so much so that it drowns out other people’s voices in front of you.
I’m not trying to exonerate Wolfe here, I’m saying that a combination of train, bus, and loud radio noise may have prevented him from hearing everything Ramos said to Kelly. The only way to know is to synchronize the video with the radio recordings and DAR and watch how Wolfe reacts.
Prior to his death when was the last time the Thomas family saw Kelly?
The Thomas family has said the police released a photo of Kelly that was not him.(The one without his shirt on)
What if that photo is in fact Kelly Thomas?
The family does not recognize him? Is the last photo they have of him other than Kelly with a bloody face a photo of a teenage boy in a cowboy hat? Kelly was 37 years old. How long had it been since the family had seen him? It factors into their monetary compensation of their loss.
No it doesn’t.
Come time for the civil suit, I’m certain the city’s attorney will attempt to use that ‘when was the last time you’ve seen Kelly’ as a negotiating point in terms of value in the monitary settlement.
But Garo will shove that back up their ‘rear’ I’m sure.
You must need glasses.
Kelly’s family saw Kelly frequently, he travelled betwix several cities and family homes, he would get picked up and dropped off later…if you think that the Thomas family- just showed up after his beating…you are sadly,if not seriously mistaken.
Hey Ant Rutabaga-just because a person doesn’t have a recent photo of a person doesn’t mean they haven’t seen them.
Who said the family didnt recognize Kelly? You? no, must have been that irrefutable official, Andrew Goodrich.
The family knew that stupid lying photo isnt Kelly-deal with it.
Maybe they didn’t recognize the picture because it wasn’t Kelly.
Subject: Consultant report on Thomas incident on Feb. 21 Council agenda
Contact: Sylvia Palmer Mudrick, Public Information Coordinator, Fullerton City Manager’s Office (714) 738-6317
The report by independent consultant Mike Gennaco on the Fullerton Police Department’s response in the Kelly Thomas case will be presented to the Fullerton City Council at its Tuesday, Feb. 21, meeting.
The meeting will begin at 4:30 p.m., in the council chamber at Fullerton City Hall, 303 W. Commonwealth Ave., and the Gennaco report will be the first item on the agenda.
Gennaco, chief attorney for the Los Angeles Office of Independent Review (OIR), was hired by the city to respond to specific questions from the public that arose in the days immediately following the Thomas incident, which occurred last July.
Thomas, a homeless man, was involved in an altercation with Fullerton police officers attempting to arrest him on suspicion of auto burglary. Thomas died five days after the incident.
The district attorney’s office has filed a second-degree murder charge against one of the officers involved in the incident, and one count of involuntary manslaughter against a second. Both are awaiting trial.
This will be the first of two reports to the council by Gennaco. The second, which is slated to come to council in late March or early April, will be the results of Gennaco’s review of the police department’s overall policies and procedures.
The third report, which will be presented to Dan Hughes, acting chief of the police department, will be the results of Gennaco’s review of the individual response by all officers ultimately dispatched on the Thomas incident.
Following the presentation of Gennaco’s report Tuesday, the Council will go into its regularly scheduled closed session. The Gennaco report will not be discussed during that session.
The council will reconvene at approximately 6:30 p.m. to consider the rest of its formal agenda. Two significant items on that agenda include a request by Occupy Orange County for the Council to consider several issues, including how the City invests local funds, and the setting of a recall election.
The council meeting will be broadcast live on the city’s government cable channel, Time Warner Channel 3. Viewers must be Time Warner subscribers.
The meeting will also be video streamed over the city’s website, cityoffullerton.com.
Further information about the agenda may be obtained by calling the Fullerton City Clerk’s Office at (714) 738-6310.
Persons requiring special accommodations to attend the meeting are asked to notify the City Clerk’s Office prior to Feb. 21.
When was Kelly ever put under arrest? I thought that he was just being detained. Silvia?
“attempting to arrest” but yes, it’s misleading and another example of their “spin” attempts in support of their actions. To paraphrase Ms. Silvia’s comment
“Thomas, a homeless [mentally ill] man, was involved in an altercation with Fullerton police officers [purportedly] attempting to [question] him [after unconfirmed reports of attempted] auto break-ins. Thomas died [from his injuries] five days after the incident.”
Silvia – was it an altercation? or an incident? As a PIO for Fullerton (PD and otherwise) do you have a degree/experience in “Communications” and/or English (the use thereof in your position)? If yes, you know there is a difference between “altercation” and “incident”. To use both terms in the same sentence is [violently – hah!] contradictory.
Kellys mother had not seen him since she got the restraining order on him after he beat grandpa with a metal pipe.
Joe Wolfe had not seen his toes since he consumed all those jelly donuts.
Frickin’ A Funny, that one!
sorry, it’s late, and that’s why I add this comment –
his toes aren’t the only thing he hasn’t seen since consuming donuts
Please go peddle your crap somewhere else. You’ve already made that comment multiple times on multiple blogs. Enough already, we KNOW Goodrich can cut and paste!!!
Ranger Ricky is it….not sure how much you paid for that information,but if you got it for free…you spent too much….
I think KNOW more than your leading us to BELIEVE, but I sure hope the hell you are right!
Have heard about the so called charging of more cops from anywhere butbRon Thomas?
Kelly Thomas investigator to give report
I’ve been accepted as a Sheriff’s Deputy in another state and county.
Do you think Fullerton PD would hire me on as a cop?
I’ll be happy to straighten out any corruption within the department, not limited to but including an asswhoopin’ on this McKinley creep for initiating all of this mess.
Any word on a bon voyage for Sellout this Saturday?
Meet us up at high noon in front of the Pd…we meet at 11…see ya there, you will see many a smiling faces happy he is going,but mad because we want our 150 thou back..hope to see you there! honk honk
Is there any word on a bon voyage for Sellout this Saturday?
Wow. That’s all I can say after closely reviewing your recent campaign disclosure filing for the Committee Supporting the Recall of Pat McKinley, Don Bankhead, and F. Richard “Dick” Jones. I call it “your” recall committee because you donated all but $550 of the $170,000 total (I count your brother’s $20,000 as I imagine you reimbursed him for it). The Lake Forest nurse, the San Mateo artist and Hayward tax preparer who donated the $550 must be thrilled to be listed with you big dollar guys. Couldn’t you find one of your paid signature gathers willing to put in a few dollars for the cause they support so passionately?
I know you find these campaign reports to be burdensome and beneath you. The ongoing FPPC investigation into your failure to file as a Major Donor is another example of how the rules don’t apply to you. While it’s nice to see that you did file a major donor report for 2011, it seems like you only follow the rules after someone calls you out.
Before another FPPC complaint is filed against you, we are going to give you a chance to correct and amend your December 31, 2011 460 form. Since you started self-funding the recall you have hired over 40 paid petition circulators and correctly reported their information.
On page 19 of your filing you report paying Tim Whitacre $64,177 as an “independent contractor, signature gatherer.” You code the payment correctly as PET (petition circulator). Whitacre is widely known in GOP circles as a coordinator of signature gathering campaigns, e.g. the failed recall of Assemblyman Anthony Adams. In fact, Whitacre made calls to GOP activists trying to recruit them as paid circulators for your recall effort.
This is where it gets a little dicey for you. FPPC regulation 18431(d) [CLICK HERE TO VIEW] requires you to list all of Whitacre’s sub-contractor petition circulators. And, so you don’t get in further trouble with the Internal Revenue Service I suggest that you send each paid signature gatherer the required 1099.
I will give you until Wednesday, February 22 to amend your report to include Whitacre’s sub-contractors. I’m sure Mr. Whitacre would prefer to not receive the 1099 for $64,177. If you can’t locate him or he did not keep the required records rendering you unable to amend your report, an FPPC complaint will be filed and the IRS notified.
Ha ha. The Desperate Hours.
its the pot calling the kettle black
wow Larry, aren’t you embarrassed at yourself? I am embarrassed for you and I don’t even like you.
The idea of paid gatherers is as old as you are, so what? and Anthony Adams is a scum bag politician that also should have been recalled, what’s your point?
Gee Tony, you should be thankful you’ve got people like this Larry Bennett guy, helping you stay out of trouble with the IRS…
Hey Larry, would you be so kind as to do my taxes this year?
If not, perhaps you could review my Turbo Tax results?
Now it’s people like YOU, Larry Bennett that just cannot accept defeat.
Since you were apparently quite the campaign contributor to the opposers of the recall, you seem to have a great deal of ‘sour grapes’ since Tony Bushala’s money ‘kicked the crap’ out of you.
Why don’t you simply go back home and have a Corona or 12 with your other nutty-buddy Ackerman and have your own private “Sobfest” you Moron!!!
And how about a ‘one on one’ live debate with me you Sourpuss!!!
Let’s see what you got.
Back after these messages.
Are you actually going to allow Larry Bennett to start some irrelevant pseudo-debate here? Normally I am not for deleting posts, but Larry Bennett’s attempt to hijack this blog about the Kelly Thomas murder is truly offensive.
To Larry Bennett:
Mr. Bushala is not required to file a Major Donor Report, which is California Form 461. The term Major Donor is shorthand for “Major Donor Committee”, and of course a “committee” under the Political Reform Act could be just one person.
It is rather basic “administrative law”, that rules and regulations must be promulgated within the bounds of the statutes, which are created by the Legislature.
Form 461 refers the users to the Fair Political Practices Committee’s “Campaign Disclosure Manual”. That Manual, in turn, states that the governing law is the Political Reform Act [“PRA”]as codified at Government Code sections 81000-91014. And if you go to the PRA, you will find that only Government Code section 84504 purports to explain or define the notion of a “major donor”:
84504. (a) Any committee that supports or opposes one or more ballot measures shall name and identify itself using a name or phrase that clearly identifies the economic or other special interest of its major donors of fifty thousand dollars ($50,000) or more in any reference to the committee required by law, including, but not
limited, to its statement of organization filed pursuant to Section 84101.
(b) If the major donors of fifty thousand dollars ($50,000) or more share a common employer, the identity of the employer shall also be disclosed.
(c) Any committee which supports or opposes a ballot measure,shall print or broadcast its name as provided in this section as part of any advertisement or other paid public statement.
(d) If candidates or their controlled committees, as a group or individually, meet the contribution thresholds for a person, they shall be identified by the controlling candidate’s name.
This section occurs within an “article” to which it solely applies, beginning with Government Code section 84501. Under the terms of the definitions which appear there, a petition-sponsoring committee simply is not described. Now, once an election has been declared, it is now an “election committee”, to which the article applies (i.e.. sections 84501 et seq.), and thus the Major Donor Committee provisions apply.
Mr. Bushala has not broken any rules, by failing to file a Major Donor [Committee] report on Form 461.
I will not fault you at this point, Mr. Bennett, because I view you as being a victim of the false information which the anti-recall forces have been feeding to people who, for various reasons, are naturally sympathetic. Just this one little bit of disinformation and misdirection from them, now that you know about it, should admonish you to get away from them, and keep a far distance from them.
Whoever informed you, wants to use you as a pawn, to your peril. Let the King — or perhaps the Queen? — who is running the Anti-Recall Chess Team put himself or herself out onto the Playing Board. But do not be their pawn!
All you need to do is act like an FPD administrator: get sick and disabled in the face of battle. But you need to get off the battle field, before you are carried off.
Believe me, Mr. Bennett, the Rulers inside of Fullerton City Hall rarely expose themselves, and they set up others for taking the political consequeces of their dishonesties. Let them fight for themselves, whoever they may really be. But don’t you go out and become a “spokeshole” for their manipulative, dishonest proclamations. You have way too promising a future to sacrifice it for them.
Best wishes, WSH
Oh look, Larry finally got to be ‘chairman’ of something.
The Gennaco Report is out. He will deliver it at the City Council meeting on Tuesday.
Does this mean my SSI benefits will be cut because of the money I was paid to gather signatures?
Save the Date, Saturday 4/21/12 from 9am-3pm
Fundraiser Walkathon for the recall efforts
Walkathon, BBQ. live music, drawing including Fender guitar
more details/signup to be announced-all ages, all communities welcomed
Here is something to ponder….why aren’t any of the FPD operators and dispatchers being charged with falsifying criminal activity?
Vernon-if Kelly was NEVER breaking into any cars and the call was made by an employee of the Slidebar…how was that call dispatched? Someone had to relay the information. Everyone on duty that night from dispatcher to watch commander need to be held accountable for this murder.
How would the dispatcher know if the call was legit or not? They don’t have a crystal ball.
I would like to know Ramos and Wolfe’s whereabouts when the call went in.
i would like to knw thier wherabouts right now.
Hero’s eating free peanuts…and checking chicks out…..thats where they were!
I am being realistic RI. The only thing that saves your industry is your ridiculous Peace Officers Bill of Rights. In any other situation if 6 men were beating up someone else…anyone involved would be charged with being an accessory to the crime. Once your protection shield is either amended or revoked…in my eyes, everyone on duty that evening is guilty as sin. Because if your industry can act as prosecutor, judge, and jury…well so can I.
You just explained the reasons for pobar.
And Vernon you are right…they don’t have a crystal ball. They do have protocol to follow when it comes to dispatching calls and some form of common sense to inform other officers the call has been answered.
You didn’t answer the question though. How would the police dispatcher in an office at Commonwealth/Highland know whether a call about cars being burglarized is legit? You DON’T want public safety dispatchers being the arbiters of 911 calls.
it would seem you view the monitor live cam?
WRONG GUY, I just might, DON’ T look for a fat guy though thinking it’s me. LOL.
A two part report? INTERESTING indeed.
Gennacco is going to give everyone a chance to recover from the shock of the first one I guess??
NO LARUE, go read the POBR.
It’s about protecting cops from CORRUPT police administrators for the most part.
And I think most of our conversation on some of these threads are ABOUT corrupt police administrators.
Sorry La Roo!!!
They don’t know if the call is legit or not. They simply type the information into the computer as it is received from the caller.
Dispatchers ask questions if they feel the need. If it’s a 911 call, the ADDRESS it came from should be coming up on the screen. Should be part of a perminant record subject to SUBPEONA.
If it’s not a 911 call, and comes into a direct line to dispatch, if the department is set up they too might know the location of that call.
All incoming calls should be tape recorded and on file.
Now cutting to the chase, could a cop or whoever make a bogus call to 911 for whatever reason? YES!!! ABSOLUTELY!!
Cops have been caught making a bogus call themselves, in order to FABRICATE a call that would in fact create, PROBABLE CAUSE to contact a residence or a person.
Is that the case here? I don’t know.
Many callers to 911, refuse to give their name. Some 911 calls are from cell phones.
Some courts have held that even anonymous calls, still establish probable cause to INVESTIGATE.
Even if someone made an illegal accusation against Kelly just to get the cops out there to get him to move along, it STILL DOES not justifie the use of force.
But if the call was made to try and justifie the BIG picture at the end of the day, IT ISN’T going to work. BUT it damn sure could help paint the picture of a cover-up, if TRUE!!!
If they had found stolen property on Kelly, open cars doors or forced entry into vehicles, THAT might have some teeth to it.
But again, unless Kelly fought the cops, toe to toe, it still doesn’t justifie the use of force resulting in his death.
Just because I catch a burglar doesn’t not mean I can kill him because he get’s scared and try’s to run.
Especially if I know he is mentally challenged.
Just because I catch a burglar doesn’t not mean I can kill him because he get’s scared and try’s to run.
You murdered a man armed with a child’s bike and that was ok. You did not even get tried by 12 on that murder.
Coffman step away from the double-double and the shake.
Officer Wolfe is a good guy. He is on PAID administrative leave while the city figures out a way to completely exonerate him. A good guy gets lots of vacation time sort of like his good guy police chief, Sellers. Problem is that Fullerton cannot afford too many good guys like Wolfe.
What makes Wolfe a good guy? Well, he plays the role. He will tell the jury that One eye Cicinelli did not kill, he was just trying to taser. And who could be closer to the actual happening than Wolfe? He didn’t see Ramos do anything and Wolfe probably forgot to turn on his recorder, too.
Joe Wolfe was trained by Pat McPension, who sees no wrong in the huge increase in crimes in Fullerton under his watch and the huge increase in the number of stupid incidents by FPD members. There are all good guys or good ‘ol guys!
and guess what? The new acting police chief is another one of the good ol guys! Years and years of serving under Pat McPension and we are to believe the new acting chief is going to change anything?
RI is Andy Goodlie. Its his job to post on here! $125,000 plus fat pension and all the donuts he can eat.
A nickel a post for donuts?
Big mouth asshole finely go too far
KFI/640 AM announced Thursday it is suspending immediately talk hosts John Kobylt and Ken Chiampou “for making insensitive and inappropriate comments about the late Whitney Houston.”
The specifics of their comments were not disclosed by the station, but in a recording of the show posted online, Kobylt refers to the singer as a “crack ho.”
KFI’s announcement said, “Management does not condone, support or tolerate statements of this kind.”
In the suspension announcement, Kobylt said, “We made a mistake, and we accept the station’s decision. We used language that was inappropriate, and we sincerely apologize to our listeners and to the family of Ms. Houston.”
He did not call her a “crack ho” (even though she was), according to KTLA, John said she was “cracked out for 20 years,”.
What a bunch of hand wringing namby pamby PC BULLSHIT! She probably would have been alive today if someone called her what she was.
The John and Ken show is going to become another NPR come monday because they will be so afraid of getting suspended again.
Who are these managers at KFI anyway?
Haha. GED strikes again!
Can you imagine if the FPD and its management handled the Kelly Thomas incident the same way that clear channel, KFI and John and Ken handled the Houston incident?
So sad to see the hate and ignorance that this blog breeds.
Have? Maybe had.
This is getting off the post topic people…
Take it somewhere else.
But since we’re talking about this I believe that was simply John being ‘John’ on the John and Ken show. He was making that remark in 2nd person, not himself referring to Whitney as a ‘crack ho’, and naturally some people have this posthumous worship for a deceased celebrity and the calls are gonna come in.
A short time out and they’ll be back.
But take it somewhere else, please.
They were outta line. They gotta show some decency & decorum on air. Their comments were insensitive and racist! End of story. Take this discussion somewhere else!
I still believe it was the Terminator…I’m never wrong.
John & Ken tell the truth about W.H. and get suspended but they call the FPD Officers involved in the Kelly Thomas case “MURDERES” and “ONE-EYED MURDERERS” without a trial and conviction and that’s OK? They release their names on the air and that’s ok? They repeatedly have Ron Thomas spewing B.S. about FPD and the officers, without an opposing view, and that’s OK? Seems like John and Ken are getting what they deserve.
Andy Goodlie has already given the FPD “opposing” view.
That is all.
Oh dear, the schmuck is back!
Lol Reality Is : )
That’s because Whitney Houston is deceased.
FPD isn’t, unfortunately…
What Ron told KFI was NOT bullshit about FPD and their protectors.
So, DAMN RIGHT it’s OK!!!
I’m actually shocked that someone from inside hasn’t come out, claimed stress, hostile work environment, and spilled all kinds of inside info. Shocking.
“I’m actually shocked”
Lol, no you’re not.
I really am. In every city, department, business there is at least one employee that is disgruntled, pissed at not being promoted, hates life, or as you say feels the place is full corruption and dirt and it’s the perfect scripted spot for them to step up with protection that things will be handled right.
O.k. then, I take that back.
I am not shocked at all. I use to talk to the union stewards for LASD and my union–which I no longer belong to–and I heard shocking stories then. That, imo, is the ONLY way I would have known any of that. LAS Deputies are very tight lipped. I have met a few nice ones though. Lol
I’m sure you got my reply on email from the post. 🙂
Wrong Guy: Why has Ron Thomas been so obviously SILENT in the last month? Has anybody asked? Is is possible that he has further info about what really happened on July 5th? Some things he now knows to be other than what he has been touting for six months? I’m thinkin’ he has seen the video and knows he is screwed and won’t be gettin’ his TWENTY MILLION as he had hoped.
Ron T. was overheard to have blamed his ex for Kelly’s problems, saying that she was the cause of his mental issues.
He has to blame somebody now that he can’t blame FPD.
I too am schocked that no one has spilled their guts about the inside stuff. What happened to the deep throat that was on John and Ken when this first happened? Where did he go? Why is he not coming out with what I think he called “the real juice?” Maybe he was caught at his own game and has been fired or placed on leave or reprimanded for his inappropiate actions.
Is is not against policy to talk out of school?
Maybe he is too much of a coward to finish what he started.
And maybe you are too much of a coward to try to beat to death someone who isn’t sick and undernourished with five of your fat pals to hold him down!
Jaynbond-I knew it was you from the total illiteracy you ooze, your hate speak and your coplicking-you rumpled old hemorrhoid.
You coppers all must attend the same class by McKinley.
Big dummy, how “schoked” are yu?
That’s a word?
My posts were placed out of order. Guess Tony and the boys don’t want to stir up any more stuff that may take away from their primary goal of dismantleing the Fullerton City Council, and reshaping it to their agenda.
Tuesday nite should be very interesting.
I believe the word is spelled n-i-g-h-t. There you have the GED mind furiously hard at work.
Reading your daily reports must be like a trip to the dentist.
I know things happen fast around here, but try to stick with the program, Sluggo. You don’t get any points here because your step-dad beat you up all the time.
This is an example of the shoot don’t shoot and other fun training you can do as civilians. UFC Bones Jones and Police.
As a Fullerton resident this completely annoys me to no end. Our PD is full of egomaniacs with axes to grind. Protect and Serve, not beat and kill. As a concerned citizen I am appalled by all the on lookers that took phone video, stood by and listened and did nothing to help Kelly Thomas. As for keeping down town area safe, lets look at all the RAPES that have occurred in that area of Slide Bar. I would feel safer in Compton than in Fullerton…
They should look at how former Fullerton PD officer Albert Rincon matches the sketch of the fullerton rapist …oh wait they won’t.
I wish I could find that side by side photo someone posted here of him and the sketch.
The rapes have everything to do with the out-of-town drunks that migrate to downtown Fullerton, and nothing to do with the homeless.
I know several eyewitnesses who all told me that they did try and intervene and were told to mind their own business.
The cell phones were turned on the police as a way of recording what was happening so that it could be shown to an objective person later.
I agree…..it’s horrible what they did.
I am beyond sickened and disturbed after watching the entire video. If these “law enforcement” officers don’t get the maximum punishment I will be sickened yet again. That poor, poor man. Calling out to his Father time and time again, repeatedly apologising, desperately hoping his pleas were falling on the ears of decent humans, his voice changing sickeningly as his breath escapes him and his throat is damaged, then his last words before tragically going silent to his Daddy. OMG. How can civilized society permit this??? I am devastated for him and his family.
America is becoming a fascist police state. We need to wake people up and speak out against this type of evil. This is no joke. The fact that these officers have been on the job for at least a decade in Fullerton knowing the area, the people, the location of surveliance cameras, in front of witnesses while wearing their audio recorders -DID THIS IN PLAIN VIEW-speaks volumes of the mindset of these individuals as well as the other 140 or so officers who have remained silent. If they can get away with murder on video on national television-NO ONE IS SAFE-NO ONE. may Justice prevail.
Officer Joe Wolfe — Guilty as Sin !!!
Citizens in USA should arm themselves with f. i. tazers or pepper spray for protection against animals.
PRISON. put these pigs in prison and strip their pensions! NOW!
I am surprised that american citizens accept having these animals in the streets anymore. Kick them, beat them, hunt them.
I am very doubtful that justice will be served fur K. Thomas and his family. I say this because the entire judicial branch of government in California has admitted to being corrupt. SEE SBX211 section 5. The county has been bribing the judges and you need not look any further then the county prosecutor to identify where the bias is and how this could effect the judges ability to be unbiased.