Voices of Fullerton Establishment Speak

Unchained Melody…

And what they are saying is pretty pathetic.

Yahoo News led off today with the doings in little Fullerton, California, here, related to the stories of police brutality against Veth Mam and of course, Kelly Thomas. Here’s somebody called Mike Ritto, President of the Downtown Business Association, moaning about the hurt put on local retailers:

“They’re telling people, ‘Don’t go to Fullerton.’ Nobody here did anything wrong. Why should the retailers suffer?” said Ritto, speaking of the protesters who have packed public forums and marched outside the police station every Saturday for a month.

Ahem. Nobody here did anything wrong? Why should the retailers suffer? Uh, dunno, Mike. Maybe it’s the bad karma associated with devil’s deal downtown Fullerton has made with an out of control police force.

I can mindread, and yes they thought they had the right man!

Naturally we hear from FPD spokeszit Andrew Goodrich, who, inexplicably, remains spokeszit despite a string of lies and half-truths that would have made a NAZI Ministry of Propaganda functionary’s heart sing:

Goodrich, the police spokesman, said allegations that the officers in the Mam case perjured themselves were false because they believed when they testified that they had arrested the right person.

Oh, really? False charges of perjury? Really, Andy? You really want to go there? Of course the charges are perfectly true; either that or your union pals are so f-ing incompetent that they belong in institutionalized care somewhere. Which is it?

See that guy over there? He didn't do it.

And here is Deputy DA Rebecca Reed, casually explaining that the whole Mam story told by the cops was pluasible:

“I thought it was reasonable that Veth Mam had been involved in this altercation before filming,” she said. “The video did not show the whole story.”

Say what? No, Becky, the laws of time and space were not suddenly suspended by the evil Mam. What she meant to say was: “we are told to go along with the cops story, no matter how ludicrous it might be; we have no compunction about charging and prosecuting an innocent man; we don’t give a damn about justice; my only concern is that this loss is going to hurt my record.”

373 thoughts on “Voices of Fullerton Establishment Speak

    1. arnold

      I AM CONTACTING JEREMY I HAVE AN IDEA THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HIM ARRANGE A FUND RAISER FOR HIS LEGAL FEES.
      HIS CAREER SHOULD SKYROCKET WITH ALL THIS NOTERIETY.

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    2. Xer Cist

      I wish I could be at that bar the whole time for the next few weeks. I’m predicting some good times. Can only hope it’s one of the hardest core tree huggers that goes down hard.

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      1. Anonymous

        So you promote violence, then, against those whose ideas you disagree with?? Thanks for clearing that up, Mr. Hitler.

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    3. This Little Piggy

      Listen, Jeremy is a Kook. There is no doubt about that. And Slide Bar is without question the worst bar in Fullerton. And Jeremy probably did make a bogus PD Call. And thats total BS. But i’m pretty sure he didn’t mean for Kelly to get hurt (at least I hope not!).
      At this time I dont think trying to put Slide Bar out of buiness is a good thing to focus on. However, If i found out Slide Bar, Jeremy or any of his staff had any further involvement in this matter then I would definately hold their feet to the fire and boycott. But what I have heard so far about their involvement doesn’t justify a boycott.
      But just to re-iterate, Jeremy is a total Kook and his ego is probably a little to big for Fullerton.

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      1. Reality Check

        Slidebar is a sinking ship at this point. Boycott or no. Who’d want to be associated with it now?

        It’ll forever be linked with this incident.

        Instead of looking down on Kelly and wanting him and his kind to disappear from the area, if they’d shown him some compassion, this wouldn’t have happened.

        Correction, this may have eventually happened at the hands of FPD but Slidebar wouldn’t be connected to it.

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        1. JudasPriest

          Reality Check is right.What kind of bands would want to play there?Certainly not a band with a social conscience!Not a very nurturing environment.All bands thinking of playing there should ask themselves,”Do we want to gig where the management is going to sell out one of our fans”?You know that playing there might pose a problem. The cops might beat yourroadies,or steal tour girlfriends I Pads? Don’t smoke by any cars by the train.YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WILL GET YOU!

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  1. Johnny Donut

    ““They’re telling people, ‘Don’t go to Fullerton.’ Nobody here did anything wrong. ”

    Uh, yeah we did do something wrong. Despite decades of warnings, we continued to re-elect buffoons who let our police run amok.

    We own our government.

    This is our fault.

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    1. Johnny Blue

      If businesses want to blame anybody, then they need look in their own backyard….The Slidebar.

      The businesses should be mad as hell of the unraveling of lies and cover-ups coming from the city council and police department. Since they are the ones to REPRESENT the community that spends money at those businesses. Everybody is afraid to point fingers at the big-fat-multi colored elephant in the room, out of fear of retaliation.

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      1. Rat's Ass

        This is very true. I deliberately avoid that area because the crowds spill out in to the sidewalks and it’s hard to walk around them in the back, and their bands are constantly loading and unloading on the sidewalk on Commonwealth.

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    2. Bluealpha

      Hey, you guys cannot be serious. At this point you should put Fullerton on life support. How many developers, businesses, families, young up and coming singles are going to even get close to that corrupt shit hole of a town. People are going out of thier way to circle around the damned town. It has gained international, worldwide attention as a bastion of police corruption for Christs sake. Just look at the thousands of e-mails from around the world.

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  2. outraged

    Ok so now, you bloggers and protesters are trying to put dwntwn business, out of business. Great? And you don’t think that’ll have any affect. Good job!

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    1. Gonzo, Esq.

      Doesn’t Tony own/operate a downtown business? Are we supposed to believe that Tony is single-handedly driving consumers away from DTF to make a political point?

      If your downtown-area business is suffering, don’t blame this blog.

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      1. Xer Cist

        Tony is known as a slumlord. That’s his only claim to fame. Oh and for being busted by the cops time and again. That’s he hates the Po-lice.

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        1. Gonzo, Esq.

          He seems to be the only person around with the cajones / resources to affect some real change in Fullerton.

          Trolls (that’s you) will call him names and make up fairy tales about him, but I sure hope he keeps up the good work.

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      2. outraged

        This blog is what started EVERYTHING; all the lies and assumptions; before any evidence has been released! Do you realize that NONE of these allegations have yet to be confirmed. That’s why you have new bloggers on here, like me, trying to wade through the emotional chaos of this mob mentality.

        Doesn’t it bother those of YOU who actually live in Fullerton that these protests, city coucil meetings etc are bringing in people that have their own selfish causes to peddle and don’t care what happens to Fullerton.

        Then the citizens of Fullerton are left to pick up the pieces of their demise.

        Tony, your googled info shows your voting home address is in fact NOT in Fullerton.

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        1. LeRoy Murray

          No, outraged, people like you started EVERYTHING. This blog, brought it to light. There’s plenty of evidence out there that contradicts the picture that you and the killers want us to see. Granted it’s circumstantial, (look that up if you don’t know what it means), but lots of criminals and innocents have been convicted on less circumstantial evidence than is floating around here. The only mob mentality is the city of Fullerton and their police dept. and they have a code of Omerta, just like a mob, squealers in this case don’t get back up, or may suffer from friendly fire, “by accident”, who knows? There’s some reason they don’t come forward, other than believing this is not police brutality and murder. If ANYONE without a badge had done what the 1-6 cops did to Kelly Thompson, they’d have been in a cage that night, not back on the street for 3-4 weeks and then on paid vacation. outraged, are you one of the 6?

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        2. Fred Alcazar

          No evidence!??

          What do you call a virtual corpse in the gutter who got that way courtesy of the FPD – as stated by numerous eye-witnesses?

          Hahahaha! You are really getting desperate!

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        3. merijoe

          You uppity, bitch horsefly, Im not involved in this for any other reason other than Kelly and his family, because I have compassion, unlike you-you miserable hefer, go back in the hole you slithered out from

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        4. BTR

          The FPD is full of cops who fabricate arrest reports. They are already being sued due to the antics of one of the same cops responsible for beating Kelly Thomas to death. So please, the only evidence short of an unedited copy of the police survalience camera footage will more than likely be more of the same up until the depositions are being taken for the murderous six of the FPD. Even then I would suspect perjury to be committed by the FPD.

          Of course, justice might prevail, the murderous six get at least life in prison and meet up with a person who makes Ron Jeremy look like peewee herman in comparison and they become his prison bitch for life!

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      3. Anonymous

        The Avacado Express of La Habra Heights is saying ……….

        Tip: Is it worth risking a beating by Fullerton PD just to dine at Bourbon Street? Instead stay safe and try the Bottle Room in Whittier.

        LaHabraHeights The Avocado Express
        I was looking forward to dining at Bourbon Street in Fullerton but prefer to avoid a beating by gang of bad cops. So…Brea here we come!
        20 Aug

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    1. outraged

      Hi Tony, do you enjoy being ridiculed? And people ass-uming things about you? The difference is these things about you are WELL-KNOWN around Fullerton, and you have made more enemies than you realize. All this change you are affecting will directly affect you, I’m predicting.

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    2. CJ

      If business are suffering in Fullerton, It may be due to the 12% unemployment rate. No jobs No money no business. Fullerton business we be okay. For years these bars have made millions of dollars. They’re not going anywhere. Some of the best food is served at some of these places.

      Since the out of control cops are on leave and no new reports of new out of control cops hasn’t risen up, shouldn’t we all just stop playing a broken record here and focus on the current officers involved?

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  3. CHIKEN

    fullerton was so much better before the alcohol circus, the winged heart, even the hub, a few little underground bars , pawn shops, drum circles , , goths and freaks, ahh ,, shut up retailers and bar mongers.

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  4. Flood TMZ

    TMZ Tip Line: 888-847-9869
    TMZ Tip Form: http://www.tmz.com/tips

    Flood them with links about this case. Mention the band Lit connection and include links to this blog and videos posted on youtube.

    If they can cover octomom, they sure as hell can cover this.

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    1. arnold

      THESE SCUMBAGS DO WHAT THEY’RE SKILLED AT FRAMING INNOCENT PEOPLE. THIS CITY IS CRAZY. I AM RETIRED AND VISITING THE CALIFORNIA AREA. I WILL STAY AWAY FROM THAT AREA.

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      1. dixiejon

        a couple of hours next Saturday wont hurt you. the cops are next to non-existent you’ll be ok. you might want to get it done soon tho as i expect they will soon get tired of all this “fuss” and start retaliation.

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  5. Raven

    Hey, it’s not the bloggers or protesters faults – it’s the lame city council & spokespeople for this whole cesspool of mis information – not getting out in front of this terrible mess & making it worse. We need to stay on message – the murder of Kelly.

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  6. Jerermy the great

    If I did nothing wrong don’t you think I would be shouting from the rooftop declaring no involvement?

    But I’m not. I’m in hiding. Go to the Slidebar and you won’t see me there wither. Interesting isn’t it?

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  7. We Are All One

    Kelly Thomas, a fellow human being was brutally murdered and those responsible will be held accountable. The world is watching and won’t let this slide.

    People are standing up for truth and truth will prevail, it always does.

    “There is no they, only us. We’re part of a large fellowship called “The human race.”

    Justice for Kelly.

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  8. Allen

    @Admin
    Here is another great article! Calling members of FPD “Nazi’s” and “f-ing” incompitant.

    Veth Mam’s video does not show the whole incident. There was more that just that video.

    Admin, keep your website going and stand firm with your 1st Ammendment Right. But please be responsible.

    The Police are not “Nazi’s”.

    Try to minimize your hatefull articles and posts towards the men and woman that protect you and your rights.

    You might also want to knock off the premature accusations of false crime reporting by the Fullerton Business Owners. That’s downright irresponsible.

    “Lies” and “Half Truths”?

    YOU HAVE NO IDEA! Not a shred of evidence to support that!

    I’ll be watching this closely. Can’t wait to see where you go from here.

    How about hosting a “Help Fullerton’s Homeless Drive”..

    How about Tony Bushala open one of his Fullerton Buildings to the Homeless.
    Come on Tony, how about it?

    Chris, can’t wait for your campaign to start.. 🙂

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    1. admin

      1. They now say the arrested the wrong man. That’s incompetence. If they are just lying to protect perjurers, well, that makes them double liars.

      2. Goodrich is just a blatant propagandist, a la Goebbels. Apt comparison, until he quits lying about things like bones that weren’t broken.

      3. FPD seems more interested in protecting its own rights rather than mine.

      4. The issue is not homelessness no matter how hard you try to spin it that way. The issue is the bludgeoning death of a harmless human being.

      5. Premature accusations? The murder took place seven weeks ago. Nothing about this is premature; however I have made no accusations. One of my bloggers just asked some good questions. No names were mentioned in the post.

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      1. Allen

        I would hardly say that one mistake makes an organization incompitant. Let me ask you this. If this website put out one or two articles that are inaccurate and untrue, will that make Tony and the rest of his staff Incompitant? We’ll see.

        Goodrich is the PIO and not Goebbels. If he is lying, then he will eventually be fired as he could no longer testify in Court under Brady. He is not lying. When dealing with the press, PIO’s are sometimes forced to release information not yet confirmed. If Goodrich put out info that was untrue, I’m sure it was unintentional. To compare him to Geobbles is just meanspirited.

        FPD has to follow guidlines, rules, and precedures. They far outway your personal rights.

        The issue is the homeless and there is no spin. You are accusing six officers of killing a homeless man because he was a nuisance. This is all about Kelly Thomas, the peaceful schizophrenic homeless person who happens to be a convicted violent felon who had a not so “Harmless Past”

        You have been making these accusations ever since the story broke. They are premature.

        Your accusations are “Fullerton Cops Committed Murder” along with calling FPD POI’s and Officials “Lyers”

        Tell me Admin, how is that not an accusation.

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        1. LeRoy Murray

          FWIW Goebbels was also basically an information officer.
          So, Allen, you believe and are saying that FPD’s guidelines, rules, and procedures ARE MORE IMPORTANT than the personal rights of the citizens who employ them and pay their salaries, benifits and pensions?
          They are liars…

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    2. Grover Cleveland

      Yes, lies and half-truths.

      Broken bones? No.

      Legal documents not his? Trash found in garbage can.

      The cops believed they arrested the right man? Outright lie. Hampton just arrived on the scene bashed an onlooker because he had the audacity to record the incident. later on they had to cook up a story about the guy in the cell that nobody could remember.

      The list goes on and on. I don’t think a completely honest answer has come of that guy’s mouth yet.

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      1. You're all sheep

        He was not an onlooker. He was directly involved in a fight with his friends that started the whole matter. FYI. Talking about things you know nothing about makes you sound extremely ignorant to me.

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    3. Xer Cist

      Tony you are a slumlord anyways. Why not just make all of your properties homeless shelters. Chris can run them for you while he’s the Mayor and that fat lady Joe can be the Police Chief. Yes sounds like a plan for your team.

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      1. Xer Cist

        Ok, I confess. Our department is so screwed up a one-eyed newt would make a better police chief than what we’ve had lately. And Tokers Town would probably make better patrolmen. Damn I hate myself for what I’ve become.

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          1. Allen

            I know Im in the minority. I hardly expect to win this debate. Changing one or two minds is a win as far as I’m concerned

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    4. JudasPriest

      HOW ABOUT YOU PUTTING UP A REWARD SO THE LITTLE REAL ESTATE LADY COMES FORWARD? And the pigs are in a TRIBE.DON”T YOU GET IT? Please look up the term BLUE CODE OF SILENCE.Or better yet, look up the term “TESTALYING”.I am sure that if you are a reasonable person ,you will come away with an understanding of what we are up against.They started it.According to their value system’US AGAINST THEM’,WE ARE “THEM”!!!

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  9. havegunwilltravel

    It would be interesting to see a new majority on the city council. Since they would be the leadership, rather than just the naysayers, I wonder which way they would decide to take the City. Will we become Costa Mesa-North, or simply dis-incorporate because we are broke…Time to leave.

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  10. We Are All One

    Allen :
    @Admin
    Try to minimize your hatefull articles and posts towards the men and woman that protect you and your rights.

    Were Kelly’s rights protected? Should I trust a police department that would allow, encourage and cover up his brutal murder? I think not.

    If the FPD wants respect they have to earn it. They need to put the officers who murdered Kelly behind bars where they belong.

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      1. Allen

        Right! and that same Constitution applies those who you prematurely accuse. You consider the “Fullerton 6” to be murderers, and those above them and beside them to be co-conspirators.

        Wait until they are charged

        Then you can continue with your FPD bashing.

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    1. Allen

      That’s what the criminal justice system is for. You don’t have a say in the matter unless you are selected as a juror

      They can’t be put beind bars becuase you’re upset or because FFFF says so. Thats not how it works.

      It does work like that in Mexico and a number of other countries. “Guilty until Proven Innocent”.

      FFFF, I got an idea, why don’t you promote “Napoleonic Law” That should fix this problem.

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      1. ThinBlueNonsense

        Allen you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You want to defend the police officers in having the criminal justice system determine their fate, however, didn’t Kelly Thomas deserve the same right? But you defend that logic. You’re being a hypocrite.

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  11. Infamouse

    The city council mayor and police chief are to blame for people not wanting to go to Fullerton. I don’t want to get killed for contempt of cop.

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  12. Allen

    I love this post… LOL!

    FFFF, here’s what one of your extremely intelligent followers wrote in your last article.

    Xer on August 22, 2011

    1.Homeless people do not break into cars.
    “Really”?

    2. People who break into cars don’t stick around at the scene of the crime.
    “You’d be surprised”

    3. Kelly was not breaking into cars.
    “Are you his alibi”?

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  13. Xer Cist

    Now you all are starting to see how things work. Facts are facts, but you don’t like to see facts as facts. You want to see facts as your blind images of how only you see things. The same thing will happen in the Kelly case so stand by. As many have said, the people of Fullerton want you gone and they want this over. This is a mission by a small group to ruin Fullerton, mostly by people from out of town. Keep it up. Tony will be Mayor of the biggest dump in So Cal that will be known for its homeless camp soon. Make people proud you tree hugging morons!

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    1. Joe Blow

      Fullerton already is a city where Irvine, Tustin, & others dump their homeless populations. Has nothing to do with tree huggers.

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    2. Anonymous

      “Tree hugging morons”??? What do environmental activists have to do with Kelly Thomas or police brutality and excessive force? My guess is you’re not terribly bright…

      Perhaps you use the general term “tree hugger” to mean anyone who cares about living things (and perhaps human beings). If so, then I’m a proud “tree hugger,” I guess…

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  14. Jim Collings

    If business are losing money, then those businesses should be forefront on putting pressure on the departments to move this along and take the necessary actions towards getting justice.

    If all of the police officers were being dealt with and heads of the departments were not stonewalling, then you would not have this much of an uproar. It is the blatant disregard for justice that is causing the publicity.

    Unfortunately, it takes quite a bit to get people angry enough to speak out. But push them far enough and eventually, they will say enough is enough.

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    1. Xer Cist

      Not true. Because no matter what happens or what anyone says, the anti people aren’t going to be happy. This group wants it one way, their way. Anything else won’t be acceptable. The DA knows this, everyone knows this. So no one says anything. It’s much better this way. Then they can form their own theories about this big conspiracy. They aren’t going to like the end result anyways, but hey, Fullerton will be the biggest dump in the world when it’s all over. Proud!

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  15. Johnny Blue

    Let us stay on point. Do you think a normal, rational human being would have messed with Kelly Thomas? Absolutely not. It takes a irrational, unforgiving robot of a human being to take time out of his day and knowingly approach a mentally ill man to start a confrontation. I am disgusted that there are officers with this mentality that represent you, I, and the rest of the community. I fully blame the incompetent, disgusting higher ups who hire such animals to patrol our streets and protect our human rights. An educated, fully functional, respectable human being would have seen Kelly not as a target but as human being with unfortunate, uncontrollable circumstances. BECAUSE THEY KNEW HE WAS MENTALLY ILL! I am appalled of how those who protect us are hindering our society’s ability to continue to evolve into a more educated CIVILization.
    Continue for voices to be heard, videotapes to be recorded, and demand justice for those who do wrong. For those are each of our rights, as a human and as an American, that cannot be taken away.

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    1. Allen

      Right Johny..

      Hang’em.. We don’t have all the info, just Hang’em..

      Think about it! We were there; not physically, but we know they committed murder.

      Limited info = “Guilty of Murder”!

      Napoleonic Law – Guilty until proven Innocent. I think we need to be more like Mexico. Things are going really great down there.

      Their System of Government has been proven to be transparent and corruption free..

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      1. Anonymous

        You must not know how to read very well. I have read Johnny’s post carefully, and nowhere do I see any mention of lynching, public executions, etc., without due process.

        He’s saying that a rational human being with an ounce of humanity (much less 6 such “people”) doesn’t generally beat an unarmed mentally ill person to death.

        Just keep spewing out your non-sequiturs about Mexico, Napoleonic Law, and other things that have nothing to do with Kelly Thomas, the police in Fullerton, or people’s rightful outrage. I don’t blame you — dealing with the actual issues here doesn’t leave you much room for your inane arguments.

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        1. Johnny Blue

          You can’t rationalize with irrational people. As you can see, no where in my statement did I say anything about lynching or guilty until proven innocent. Usually when compassionate human beings see a homeless man, you either feel unfortunate for their situation or TRY to ignore what you are seeing (but not really). It takes a really screwed-up, low life of a human being to see a homeless man as a target. I thought bullies were something you saw in grade school? Not in one of the most credible professions, law enforcement.

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      2. Corrupt

        Nazi law…. kill anyone who is imperfect or the wrong race…. I think FPD started this… jackbooted thugs fits to a tee.

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      3. ExPat ExLawyer

        So now you’re for transparency? Great, let’s get the video we paid for with our tax dollars. If the video was of an armed robbery, for example, it would have been on the air on July 5. Please, use your influence to help us gain transparency.

        But to withhold the facts from the public, and then claim we’re jumping the gun for forming an opinion? Nah.

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    2. Xer

      Johnny Blue on August 22, 2011
      … It takes a irrational, unforgiving robot of a human being to take time out of his day and knowingly approach a mentally ill man to start a confrontation. I am disgusted that there are officers with this mentality that represent you, I, and the rest of the community. I fully blame the incompetent, disgusting higher ups who hire such animals to patrol our streets and protect our human rights. An educated, fully functional, respectable human being would have seen Kelly not as a target but as human being with unfortunate, uncontrollable circumstances. BECAUSE THEY KNEW HE WAS MENTALLY ILL! I am appalled of how those who protect us are hindering our society’s ability to continue to evolve into a more educated CIVILization.

      Continue for voices to be heard, videotapes to be recorded, and demand justice for those who do wrong. For those are each of our rights, as a human and as an American, that cannot be taken away.

      Amen, Johnny Blue

      All the best,
      The REAL Xer, not that tree-cyst

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  16. Rat's Ass

    If people are staying away from Fullerton (and what everyone means is “they aren’t buying as many drinks in my bar downtown”) it may be because they don’t want to be assaulted by cops and then thrown into jail and prosecuted on trumped up charges, or worse, beaten to death.

    Are the dry cleaners and the dance academies suffering for lack of business? Or do they even count in the matrix of downtown businesses? Is it possible that the economy is just down here like everywhere else because the stock market is crashing and nobody has a job??? Let’s see some figures, isn’t that what the Chamber of Commerce is supposed to do? And by the way, just where is the Chamber of Commerce in this mess? They can usually be seen shilling for whatever pile of junk the redevelopment agency wants to build, but they sure haven’t taken a public stand police abuse.

    There are plenty of other places to party in OC. Maybe Fullerton just isn’t hip with the inland empire buses and the douchebag street urinators anymore. Didn’t one prominent restaurant owner even brag about duplicating his establishment in a nearby Riverside city? Maybe the market is just saturated with 100-undrinkable-beer-bars with old timey sports pictures and TV screens by the dozen on every wall.

    Did Mam jump on an officer’s back, then run away, get out his cell phone, and begin recording? Doesn’t seem likely. A jury didn’t think so anyway. Don’t cop cars have cameras too? I thought they were supposed to film these things themselves.

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    1. Answer

      Yes the police did know, due to multiple run-ins with the police officers for loitering, illegal camping, etc. Kelly was also admitted into a mental facility multiple times (5150) so that too was also part of his file. That is the disturbing part in all of this, the police knew he was mentally ill and still started a confrontation with him. Every police officer who worked that beat, knew him or knew of him, or had once had contact with him. Kelly was a mainstay in the downtown area. Apparently to a few cops, he wore out his welcome.

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      1. JudasPriest

        Kelly got an open container ticket in february from the homeless resources officer,DeCiprio?They knew him.Apparently ,Jeremy Popoff referred to transients as” THOSE PEOPLE”,that’s an ugly ,awful term from someone who has been given so much .

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  17. HRM

    “#41 by Jim Collings on August 22, 2011

    If business are losing money, then those businesses should be forefront on putting pressure on the departments to move this along and take the necessary actions towards getting justice.

    If all of the police officers were being dealt with and heads of the departments were not stonewalling, then you would not have this much of an uproar. It is the blatant disregard for justice that is causing the publicity. ”

    BINGO. Sharp post.

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  18. truthseeker

    Keep up the protests. Keep up the articles. This blog has more readers than anyone realizes. The longer they hide in the dark, the easier it will be for the light to blind them and the light will make them stumble around like fools. The stumbling may already be happening. Tony and Chris hang in there.

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  19. Tu sabes

    If admin put this much effort in to his marriage he’d probably still be married and his ex wouldnt be drinking at the slide bar with her new bf and audi

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    1. dixiejon

      arent you the clever little gossip. aahhhh it makes your winkie dance when you think about his wife dont it po-po

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  20. truthseeker

    The issue here is not anyone’s marriage, or a protest faction’s leftsist leanings. The issue here is that a man is dead. Almost 2 months, with video, 30 investigators and no charges-that is the issue. That will continue to be the issue.

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  21. Ken

    Allen,
    From what I have seen so far with FPD, call me whatever you want but here are what I think of the FPD:
    *”Nazi’s” sounds fitting for them.
    *Many of them at FPD are apparently uses/follows Mexico or 3rd world countries justice system.
    * Looks like they are a lot better at abusing people, covers up, lies, arrogance (because they can get away with it) then to protect and server.

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      1. Allen

        WOW!!!!!!
        ExPat ExLawyer, I would love to have a beer with you!!!!! LOL, you really need to get back into reality. REALLY NOW – You’re beautiful man
        (please spell check, will you?)

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        1. ExPat ExLawyer

          Your horrible spelling reflect a lack of basic education that goes beyond spell check. Glad I don’t live in your jurisdiction.

          Maybe “Reality Is” could help you out. He spells pretty well and has to wind up defending you often. You owe him. Sounds like you’re fellow unionized losers didn’t do you much good in school.

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    1. Fred Alcazar

      Yeah that ridiculous site wants to bury the truth that the cops murdered a man. He scared Popoff? Really? I don’t believe it happened, but even if it did, so what?

      That doesn’t deserve the death penalty – meted out by street cops.

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      1. Through different eyes

        That’s the first time I have been called a troll on here, Pat.
        I put the story out as information I came across because I had seen “quotes” and I did not know what the source of those quotes were.
        I think it’s important to see the story in it’s entirety.
        One thing that stood out to me in the story was that the manager called Jeremy.
        Makes me wonder if he was even there that night when this went down or if he found out about the incident via a phone call.

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  22. Mainjet

    I don’t fit the mold of a left leaning tree hugger. I’m a Tea Party backing conservative who believes that the EPA should be abolished. I’m here because I believe a great wrong was done to a helpless homeless man, and acts like that threaten the liberty of us all.

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  23. Anonymous

    Me too #65, I’m not a tree hugger but a tree cutter. It’s great to see the ‘far right’ and ‘far left’ team up to extinguish these criminal activities that are done, covered up and tried using tax paying dollars. Public moneys should go to schools, roads, hospitals not to this kind of foolishness. I guess we know why schools and roads are falling apart around the country.

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  24. Semper fi

    Im going to give the iraqi vet, military and police hero the benefit of the doubt and wait for the DA. This man, whether right or wrong honorable served this country so bums like this bum, who sadly lost his life took advantages of those freedoms

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    1. Semper fly

      He didn’t “lose”his life. it was stolen. One-eye wasn’t a hero. He made a mistake and some drunken bozo plugged him.

      Anger management issues.

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    2. Fred Alcazar

      Iraqi vet? Who would that be? Not Cicinelli. Not a police hero either. Just another LA crime statistic.

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    3. Corrupt

      Wrong, Marines serve and fight so others do not have to. Marines are here to protect the country and those that cannot protect themselves. That includes the mentally ill, the old the young and the rest of the citizens of this country “whether we like them or not”. Nowhere in the oath I took did it say “except dirty, smelly, homeless mentally ill people”. Marines follow the Geneva Convention and are taught to fight using certain tactics and control. At no time was I taught to kill mentally ill homeless people by beating them to death….. Yeah I am a Marine too and that is what sickens me about this mess…. 6 fully armed,trained paid protectors of the peace left a mentally ill man braindead in the street. There is no honor in that….

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  25. Allen

    Admin;
    Just a little refresher for you. Here is Webster’s definition;

    ac·cu·sa·tion Noun/ˌakyəˈzāSHən/1. A charge or claim that someone has done something illegal or wrong.
    2. The action or process of making such a charge or claim. More »
    Dictionary.com – Answers.com – Merriam-Webster – The Free Dictionary

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    1. ExPat ExLawyer

      Glad to see you discovered the dictionary. Now you need to look up the difference between a “claim” by a member of the public, and a “charge” leveled by a DA or other prosecutorial authority. Maybe you will make the promotion to third-grade yet. That’s why I said you needed help way beyond spell check. Too bad your unionized teachers were too busy protecting their institutionalized ineptitude to help you. Glad I finished school before it was so dumbed-down.

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      1. Allen

        Just to confirm, you didn’t write this post?
        #48

        5. Premature accusations? The murder took place seven weeks ago. Nothing about this is premature; however I have made no accusations. One of my bloggers just asked some good questions. No names were mentioned in the post.

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  26. ExPat ExLawyer

    I’m also a conservative. Seems more and more are getting the message about police abuse. After all, that’s simply being consistent about concerns over government power – especially government union special protections like the obescene law known as POBAR – with the misnomer of police bill of rights. As if the constitution is not good enough for GED losers.

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  27. Allen

    ExPat ExLawyer :That should be “reflects.” Now why don’t you go back and correct all your spelling errors. That should keep you busy for at least a week.

    Still on that Spelling Issue?? Now Now

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    1. ExPat ExLawyer

      I’ll be off it as soon as you limit your spelling errors to one in five posts. Fair enough? I’ll start counting now.

      Why did you capitalize “spelling,” by the way? I don’t think we were discussing “All in the Family” or “BH 90210.” The latter seems to have much better cops than Fullerton, though. And a better city council too.

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  28. ExPat ExLawyer

    You’re (note the contraction) right. A GED is indeed a one-dimensional “education.” That’s why we need cops with college degrees. After all, we’re paying at least college degree rates. We should get what we pay for instead of lazy abusers of the constitution. To be fair, perhaps you’re not that lazy when it comes to abusing the constitution. Some sort of visceral drive seems to kick in at that point. The same one that goes so ballistic when people verbally oppose you and your brethren.

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    1. Johnny Blue

      Hey ExPat ExLawyer don’t waste your breath on Allen. It’s his way of thinking and his overall demeanor that hinders humanity to evolve. Also, his inability to complete a sentence without a a grammar or punctual error is part of it too. I agree whole-heartedly that a college degree should be recommended as being a police officer. A GED (sorry Allen) or military experience (sorry Allen again) should not suffice. Military are conditioned whereas a degree holding citizen is educated. Not only in books, but also, critical thinking and experience in diversity.
      So just ignore him. Your arguments and education are beyond his comprehension.

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    2. Xer Cist

      You will never have cops with college degrees. You had a few for a few years but most will have GEDs only in the next 20 years. You will see more force, more killings, more riots.

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    3. Reality Is

      Your opinion and the attitudes of the anti police activists on this blog is the sole reason why POBAR was created. Otherwise people like you would lead to the political firing of police. That’s why you won’t touch POBAR ever. Fullerton is an example of why.

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      1. EyeNeverSayNo

        Actually the “sole reason POBAR was created” was to protect the rights of police officers from being trampled upon BY OTHER POLICE OFFICERS.

        For example, section 3309 prohibits the unlawful search of an officer’s locker. Who conducts such searches? The anti-police or the cops themselves? And let’s not forget section 3312 that protects an officer’s right to wear an American flag pin. Or section 3307.5 (b) that gives an officer the right to seek an “injunction prohibiting any official or unofficial use by the department or other public agency on the Internet of his or her photograph or identity as a public safety officer.” Note that it’s not the “anti-police” POBAR is concerned with, it’s the officer’s own fellow cops.

        I could go on with more examples, but clearly even cops don’t trust cops, so POBAR was created by public safety officers to extend special protections to public safety officers.

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    1. ExPat ExLawyer

      Chris, do you have a link for this? This could potentially be good news. Grand juries are supposed to be the ones to hear cases if political corruption is suspected. A special prosecutor in Colorado recently got a grand jury to indict a homicide detective involved in perjury in the wrongful conviction of Tim Masters. The misconduct of the cops and the DAs cost the taxpayers $10 million and cost the two DAs (who because of their big, erroneous “win” got promoted to the bench) their judgeships in the 2010 election. (BTW, the scumbag detective is still on paid admin leave despite being indicted with multiple felonies). See thecoloradoan.com for details.

      This is the first I have heard about a grand jury in the Fullerton Six case. Please provide any details.

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      1. Reality Is

        I agree. First I have heard about a grand jury. I think this could be good news for the cops (as expected) and bad news for the politicians.

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          1. Reality Is

            Yes. I have said that from the start. I have always said maybe 2 cops charged with assault and 4 walk with nothing. Political maneuver.

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  29. Dr. Zillman

    How long is considered a reasonable amount of time before we get an official response from the City of Fullerton?

    30 days?
    45 days?
    90 days?
    120 days?

    It seems that with all the resources that have been applied to this case, a reasonable amount of time has already passed.

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  30. ExPat ExLawyer

    #88, see the case of Denver police victim Marvin Booker – a homeless man beaten to death by six Denver jailers. There was jail video not released to the public for eight months. That video accompanied the DA’s report to no-file the case against the cops involved. That is what I fear is happening here and why getting the video out before the DA’s decision is so important. Ditto for the autopsy. I still can’t believe that RT had his son cremated before having an independent, private autopsy done. As soon as I heard the coroner couldn’t determine cause of death without a tox analysis, I knew the writing was on the wall for a whitewash job.

    Think outside the box Fullerton and get the video out to the people who paid for it ASAP. Please don’t count on your rulers to do the right thing.

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  31. Ken

    Is OC DA an elected official ? We also need to target the DA who is in the police unions pocket. A recall or get him out on the next election.

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  32. ExPat ExLawyer

    The above comments are directed to # 91 and everyone else wondering why the “investigation” is taking so long. It’s not an investigation at all. It is a cover up in search of a cooling off period on the part of the public. Cops like Reality Is know exactly that, and that is why he and others are so cocky. Protest marches are great, but Saturday’s was conspicuously absent from the OCR.

    Start collecting money and employing lobbyists. As Reality Is said, the job will take millions. Call his bluff and that of the other scumbags and get moving.

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    1. Reality Is

      That’s the first true thing you have ever said. I’m amazed. You are learning slowly, which is odd for a lawyer. Start playing the game before it passes you by. It’s hard to get what you want (out of town activists) when nothing was done wrong. You will need to pay someone off with a few million in order to convict someone that didn’t do anything wrong. Good luck.

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      1. ExPat ExLawyer

        I think I said pretty early on your hubris about the likely no-file in the case was unfortunately justified. I don’t think there is much that can be done about this case, given the DA’s enormous powers and his not being up for a vote until 2014. If he were up in 2012, it might be different.

        As I’m sure you know, despite disagreeing with me, this is a national issue, not just a local one. And by “this issue” I mean it goes beyond this case. As you posted previously, getting rid of laws like POBAR will be tough, but it needs to be done. I’m encouraged at least to see many on the right and many on the left supporting this movement. Now all we need is more on both sides supporting it.

        Lobbyists, just like your side has used, are what is needed. The MSM will only report the first couple of protests. We need our own PAC.

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        1. Reality Is

          Its not that easy. There has to be something in place to protect falsely accused cops and provide them rights. That’s why this is so important. Believe it or not, good cops get accused daily of wrong doing. Without POBAR it would be possible for people to fire innocent cops on the spot, as in this case. That’s why POBAR will never go away. You have to provide protection for people who are provided power to use force and other things that on first glance appear guilty to the public but in fact are completely innocent. Just about every cop that writes a ticket even is accused of wrong doing because it’s an unpleasant experience for everyone. Without protection and rights, the cops would all be fired when John Doe says he pulled me over cause I was black.

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      2. Ken

        Sadly it’s true. The politicians in the USA are so corrupted now and that’s why the cops are getting away with their murders, misconducts, lies, cover ups, excessive salaries/benefits/pensions, etc. due to million of dollars and bribes from the unions

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    2. Johnny Blue

      Funny, I also mentioned yesterday that the O.C Register didn’t have a story up about the protest. No mention whatsoever. However, they did have a story about a 7 or8 person flashmob at the Huntington Beach Pier.

      I see it too.

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      1. Anonymous

        That’s some epic, hard-hitting journalism right there.

        That and the story of the OC Mom making a clothing line for women that are preggers and the story about which OC celebs are the worst tippers.

        But then again, the rest of the media isn’t setting the bar all that high either.

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  33. Mainjet

    #82 While we are giving benefits of the doubt; I will give the benefit to Mr. Kelly Thomas an American citizen with human rights. I have seen no evidence that Kelly was “taking advantage of his freedoms”.

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  34. Fred Alcazar

    Reality Is :
    Yes. I have said that from the start. I have always said maybe 2 cops charged with assault and 4 walk with nothing. Political maneuver.

    The DA has said there are no innocent cops if one is guilty. One falls, they all get charged with something.

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  35. outraged

    Dr. Zillman :How long is considered a reasonable amount of time before we get an official response from the City of Fullerton?
    30 days?45 days?90 days?120 days?
    It seems that with all the resources that have been applied to this case, a reasonable amount of time has already passed.

    This shows how little you know about the law; similiar cases, etc

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  36. Ignacio Lopez

    If you want to learn about California and Great America in the verge of self destruction, take a closer look at justice and polical systems in Fullerton and Orange County with a powerful cop unions behind them.
    The blood may be wiped away; but the truth shall remains. You can dry clean your police uniforms or even wiped off from your city officials faces: Blood stain has memory.

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  37. outraged

    Johnny Blue :Let us stay on point. Do you think a normal, rational human being would have messed with Kelly Thomas? Absolutely not. It takes a irrational, unforgiving robot of a human being to take time out of his day and knowingly approach a mentally ill man to start a confrontation. I am disgusted that there are officers with this mentality that represent you, I, and the rest of the community. I fully blame the incompetent, disgusting higher ups who hire such animals to patrol our streets and protect our human rights. An educated, fully functional, respectable human being would have seen Kelly not as a target but as human being with unfortunate, uncontrollable circumstances. BECAUSE THEY KNEW HE WAS MENTALLY ILL! I am appalled of how those who protect us are hindering our society’s ability to continue to evolve into a more educated CIVILization.Continue for voices to be heard, videotapes to be recorded, and demand justice for those who do wrong. For those are each of our rights, as a human and as an American, that cannot be taken away.

    This argument does NOT sound moral or rational. If you felt threatened by a homeless person, you would defend yourself. Don’t insult our intelligence. All of you have so much to say but my guess is that none of you have ever faced any threat so, how can you comment?

    If you’ve been a victim of a homeless or mentally ill person, please speak out and school this people.

    Bottom line: their behavior is UNPREDICTABLE and they do NOT follow social norms like most of us.

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    1. Reality Is

      Just go to Fullerton or LA and walk around the homeless people. Try talking to some. You will see they are kookoo and very scary. The image portrayed of Kelly being this little boy sitting on a bench reading a book is the problem. He was a danger to his family, the community, and the cops. He fought until he died.

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        1. Reality Is

          Wrong. He was a dangerous nut ball that wouldn’t give up his fight. Schizos know when they do wrong. When they sense they are in trouble they fight until they can’t fight anymore. That’s what Kelly did. Big mistake.

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      1. Fred Alcazar

        A danger to the cops? Awww, poor scared little bunnies.

        He fought alright. He fought for air after one of the swine crushed his windpipe.

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    2. Johnny Blue

      Hey Outraged, I am definitely insulting your intelligence or lack there of. I do work in law enforcement, so I do have a say. The cop was not “defending himself.” Was he defending himself when he said to Kelly, “these are the hands that are going to kick your ass.” I think not. Their behavior are not SOOO “unpredictable” if they are not provoked. This officer KNEW Kelly was mentally ill and provked him. So don’t sit there and make it sound like the officer was just minding his own business when all of sudden Kelly started a rampage.

      He was mentally ill, of course his actions/behavior are going to be different than a normal person! You excluded apparently. If you can’t handle a different person with different behavior with different actions then get out of law enforcement. It is your type of mentality that is a drain on the human race.

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  38. Nick Adenhardt

    Hey come on, I’m preety sure the guy that killed me was having a really good time there (the Slimebar) before slamming into me and cutting off whats her names head!

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      1. SkidBar

        Nope. The Angels murderer was drinking elsewhere… I think it was Downey?? But not the Skid, I mean Slidebar

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        1. Reality Is

          Figures. These morons make so much shit up its hard to know what is true. Make shit up to get people to listen. If you use facts everyone will say who cares. Keep it up.

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          1. Reality Is

            The facts are what I say they are. And furthermore, reality is what I say it is…and I have the sweet interweb handle to prove it.

            Just because I cannot spell the word “cat” (thank you spell check), does not mean I do not know a good fact when I make one up.

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      2. EyeNeverSayNo

        Umm, no. Andrew Gallo started the night at Johnny Carino’s in Covina and left a bikini bar called “The Well,” before getting lost on the way home and ending up in Fullerton.

        “I guess while I’m driving home I blanked out … We were trying to get home and we got lost. I don’t know anyone in Fullerton,” said Gallo.

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    1. Joe Blow

      This is a horrible post & factually inaccurate. Regardless of what side one is on in this debate, I’m pretty sure everyone would agree you’re a scumbag, loser.

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    2. fullerton lover

      Nick Adenhart’s crash in April 2009 was at the intersection of Lemon and Orangethorpe. The southwestern and northwestern sides of this intersection have buildings that are within feet of the road, and block the drivers going south on Lemon Avenue’s sight lines. I had brought this danger up to Fullerton traffic engineers and as usual I was stonewalled and told it’s wonderful.
      Don’t believe me? Go see for yourself.

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  39. outraged

    LeRoy Murray :No, outraged, people like you started EVERYTHING. This blog, brought it to light. There’s plenty of evidence out there that contradicts the picture that you and the killers want us to see. Granted it’s circumstantial, (look that up if you don’t know what it means), but lots of criminals and innocents have been convicted on less circumstantial evidence than is floating around here. The only mob mentality is the city of Fullerton and their police dept. and they have a code of Omerta, just like a mob, squealers in this case don’t get back up, or may suffer from friendly fire, “by accident”, who knows? There’s some reason they don’t come forward, other than believing this is not police brutality and murder. If ANYONE without a badge had done what the 1-6 cops did to Kelly Thompson, they’d have been in a cage that night, not back on the street for 3-4 weeks and then on paid vacation. outraged, are you one of the 6?

    Thanks for acknowledging the key word in your argument, “circumstantial” but you forgot hearsay. Most of that is thrown out of court.

    I’m sorry who is Kelly Thompson? I thought the victim was Kelly Thomas.

    Yea, it’s because the Police have the LEGAL authority to use whatever force is necessary to overcome resistance, which is what Kelly THOMAS was doing.

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  40. Curious

    Reality Is :
    Yes. I have said that from the start. I have always said maybe 2 cops charged with assault and 4 walk with nothing. Political maneuver.

    Pat McPension, is that you?

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      1. Jt

        Well why don’t you just tell us who you are then? What are you afraid of? Justice? You’re not Hampton since you already threw him under the bus.

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  41. Ignacio Lopez

    Fullerton cops and Orange County Sherriffs do not like video phones or camera around them for many good reasons and protect themselves.
    Cops and its justice system are always win. We are treating strayed animals better. Justice system in Orange County is a disgrace to America.

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  42. Corrupt

    Yea, it’s because the Police have the LEGAL authority to use whatever force is necessary to overcome resistance, which is what Kelly THOMAS was doing.

    WRONG… appropriate force…. If it escalates into a GREAT bodily harm or life and death then lethal force can be used.

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  43. Give 'Em A Break

    It’s only obvious why police testimony was so far off the mark from reality — it’s because the cops weren’t allowed to refresh their memories by viewing the video before writing their reports! Jeez, do I have to explain everything around here?

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  44. outraged

    Semper fly :He didn’t “lose”his life. it was stolen. One-eye wasn’t a hero. He made a mistake and some drunken bozo plugged him.
    Anger management issues.

    Again research would serve you well. If you would check the facts of this case (Dec 1996 LA Times and OC Reg) you would find that Raul Jiminez, a 3rd strike parolee, was the man who shot Ofcr Cicinelli six times. One bullet went through his eye; the other bullets hit his body in other places.

    Raul had raped a woman at gunpoint, was riding in a stolen vehicle and a part of cocaine drug trafficing for the Sinaloa Drug Cartel. So, he was not some random drunk. This was a serious convict who did not want to go back to prison. You know the kind that your police protect all of you from.

    Also, research will tell you that his own son testified against Raul in court. His family was
    happy to “wash their hands of him”. Sound familiar? You know when family turns on family members?

    Check it out for yourself. You see I’m not on here rambling my opinions, I actually look things up and check facts before alledging anything, unlike many of you bloggers.

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    1. dixiejon

      did you read the part where his mommy said at the sentencing her boy couldn’t understand why the mean man just kept hurting him for no reason? look that up goober

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    2. Semper fly

      Yeah, like I said, he let some drunk get the drop on him two weeks out of Police Academy IV. Rookie mistake. No Hero cookie for Cicinelli.

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    3. EyeNeverSayNo

      Great research Outrage, too bad you got just about everything you wrote dead wrong! LOL

      Outraged wrote:
      “Raul Jiminez, a 3rd strike parolee…”
      “he was not some random drunk”

      And yet according to the LA Times:
      “Jimenez’s attorney asked the judge to consider in her sentencing that the defendant is a family man with no criminal record who was ‘extremely intoxicated’ the night the shooting occurred.”

      Outrage continued:
      “This was a serious convict who did not want to go back to prison.”

      Also according to the LA Times, this desperado with no criminal record and who had never been to prison actually surrendered to police:
      “One of the suspects in last weekend’s near-fatal shooting of a rookie Los Angeles police officer surrendered Thursday night, police said. Raul Jimenez, 47, walked into the Los Angeles Police Department’s Central Station…”

      Then Outrage got it even more wrong:
      “Also, research will tell you that his own son testified against Raul in court. His family was
      happy to ‘wash their hands of him'”.

      According to the LA Times:
      “Members of the Jimenez family, who maintain that he is innocent, left the courtroom crying after the sentence was read. Earlier in the morning, the defendant’s 22-year-old son, George, said: ‘Hopefully, sometime we’ll be back together. We’re always going to be there for him,’ he said. ‘We’re never going to let him down, because we love him.’ ”

      http://articles.latimes.com/1998/jan/31/local/me-14005

      http://articles.latimes.com/1996-12-20/local/me-10991_1_police-officer

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      1. Semper fly

        Thanks. I was too lazy to back to that article. Of course Outrage is another FPD liar. it might even be Herr Doktor Goodbar.

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        1. EyeNeverSayNo

          I hate to judge someone a liar, but I’ve got to admit that it certainly does seem as though Outraged went way out of his way to get so much so wrong! You gotta love how he bent over backward to tie Raul Jimenez and his family situation to the police apologist’s unsupported view of the Thomas family dynamic, only to have the facts swat that one down completely… “We’re never going to let him down, because we love him”… LOL at you Outraged.

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    4. JudasPriest

      That guy was an AWESOME shot.Shot his dick off,too.He didn’ t rape a woman.That was his mistress.That’s called foreplay.He was not part of the cartel.Jay’s Mommy(900lbs.)Donna,wrote him a little note”his dream of being apolice officer is gone.”Jay is a latent homosexual.

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  45. jaynbond

    I am getting the impression that you anti-police mobbers want to see the FPD 6 convicted no matter what. You don’t seem to care if they are innocent. Please tell me I am wrong. The greatest injustice to man in his work place is to bear false witness.

    And again I say… WHERE WAS DAD THOMAS!!!
    He seems to have plenty of time to spend on the streets of Fullerton these days but was not in evidence when his son needed him. He’s lookin’ for the green.. Jus’ sayn’

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    1. Fred Alcazar

      “The greatest injustice to man in his work place is to bear false witness.”

      Hoo boy! I say the greatest injustice in the work place is to kill somebody for no goddam reason.

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    2. Anonymous

      You make no sense whatsoever!

      How does the behavior of the father of the victim nearly 2 months AFTER the killing have any bearing on the culpability of the officers????? Either they used excessive force and brutality or not. Whether the victim’s family is suing the city for the actions 2 months ago doesn’t mitigate ANYTHING the officer DID or DID NOT do that night.

      Also, by the way, are you a parent??? I’m guessing not, because if you were you would probably have enough empathy not to make such an absolutely stupid (and heartless) comment. Even if your child was 17 (much less 37), would you be with him/her 24 hours a day??? If police brutally killed your child when you weren’t there, would YOU be at fault or the officers?? Jeeeez, so stupid…

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  46. jaynbond

    Anon. I am a parent of five. I have a son KT’s age and I would be out there everyday looking for him to give him clothes and food even if he did not want my help.

    “You live by the sword, you die by the sword”

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    1. EyeNeverSayNo

      Just because you and I may be parents does not mean we know a damn thing about what it’s like to be a parent of a son like Kelly, suffering from schizophrenia.

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    1. Justice for ALL

      Thank you Jon, I needed that. It really helps to hear from a person (unlike the trolls) who actually possesses a beating heart.

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    2. Jon Durham

      I know everyone has an opinion and perspective to be considered and at the moment, emotions run high. Homelessness is a problem. The points made about their affect on our children, public places and businesses are legitimate. However, they are our sons and daughters, our veterans and Americans. So long as we can spend billions of dollars to kill people half a world away, I will always find it difficult to oppose helping my fellow man to live, here at home.

      The thing that everyone can see, the thing that has the world looking at your community, is the obvious fact that the woman in the widely publsihed video recognized right away: “That’s enough”. The man was, at worst, a common thief. He was mentally ill. He was already damaged goods so they went ahead and broke him. A culture is often judged by how it treats the least of those among them. And it’s just not acceptable to beat people to death.

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  47. fullerton people

    @180, dad thomas wanted nothing to do with his son. they even went as far as getting a restraining order on him so he could not come near them. it appears kelly would show up and pee on the house….
    .the fact is nobody wants to deal with the homeless, alot of them are crazy, sometimes dangerous, deficate on themselves which is very unsanitary, infectious diseases, drunk, pooping & peeping in public areas.
    bottom line people don’t want to see them begging for money and hanging at the local parks. kids will run around and play, babies learning to walk, putting their hands in their mouth. the last thing people want to see is a homeless person roaming around. in fact when people see a homeless roaming around their homes, neighborhoods, stores, parks ect…. police are called and most callers want the homeless to move on so they do not have to deal with it.
    i do not think people are requesting for an officer to come kill the person just re-locate them. so with that in mind all these people who all the sudden have so much care & concern for mentally ill homeless people, instead of sitting in front of the police department all day, use that time & money to help build a habitat for humanity. and since they are so concerned they can open their homes to these folks and get them so good food and clean up…..but i am sure it won’t happen like that……

    daddy thomas will get a pay out, the officers wil most likely be unemployed and all the people who are so concerned will move on to a new cause to go protest…..

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    1. Ken

      It’s about the police’s excessive force, misconducts, abusing their power then cover-ups and falsified reports. This apparenlty have been going on with FPD and their leaderships. it’s not just about the homeless and KT’s family problem. Either you are stupid to understand this or it’s because your are a cop or family members who are too blind too see it. God forbid, if this happened to one your love ones I wonder if you will still ass kissing the cops. You never know, what goes around comes around.

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      1. Reality Is

        You hit the key point. Loved ones. Kelly was not a loved one. He was abandoned 15 years ago. That’s why you only see old pictures. Kelly is now a loved one again. $10 million van make you love someone again. 🙂

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    1. EyeNeverSayNo

      Yeah, that first paragraph was especially well written….

      “alot of them are crazy, sometimes dangerous, deficate on themselves which is very unsanitary, infectious diseases, drunk, pooping & peeping in public areas.”

      Well said indeed! LOL

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  48. Overtime

    Keep up the protest!!! Do it every saturday, heck throw in some weekdays so all the officers can get a share of the overtime too

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    1. EyeNeverSayNo

      Yeah, parents of a child suffering from schizophrenia almost always refer to that child as “schizo.” What a pathetic liar.

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  49. outraged

    EyeNeverSayNo :Great research Outrage, too bad you got just about everything you wrote dead wrong! LOL
    Outraged wrote:“Raul Jiminez, a 3rd strike parolee…”“he was not some random drunk”
    And yet according to the LA Times:“Jimenez’s attorney asked the judge to consider in her sentencing that the defendant is a family man with no criminal record who was ‘extremely intoxicated’ the night the shooting occurred.”
    Outrage continued:“This was a serious convict who did not want to go back to prison.”
    Also according to the LA Times, this desperado with no criminal record and who had never been to prison actually surrendered to police:“One of the suspects in last weekend’s near-fatal shooting of a rookie Los Angeles police officer surrendered Thursday night, police said. Raul Jimenez, 47, walked into the Los Angeles Police Department’s Central Station…”
    Then Outrage got it even more wrong:“Also, research will tell you that his own son testified against Raul in court. His family washappy to ‘wash their hands of him’”.
    According to the LA Times:“Members of the Jimenez family, who maintain that he is innocent, left the courtroom crying after the sentence was read. Earlier in the morning, the defendant’s 22-year-old son, George, said: ‘Hopefully, sometime we’ll be back together. We’re always going to be there for him,’ he said. ‘We’re never going to let him down, because we love him.’ ”
    http://articles.latimes.com/1998/jan/31/local/me-14005
    http://articles.latimes.com/1996-12-20/local/me-10991_1_police-officer

    It’s funny how you pick and choose what you want to write. You left a few things out.

    For example: Jimenez also was convicted of aggravated assault, assault with a deadly weapon and false imprisonment for his attacks on Guadalupe Silva, his lover, said Deputy Dist. Atty. Barbara Turner. The 28-year term for those crimes will be followed by the life sentence for the attempted murder of the officer. Jimenez could become eligible for parole only during this second term.

    Doesn’t sound like some random drunk to me. If attempting to murder a police officer and raping a woman at gunpoint isn’t dangerous, now I know there is no reasoning left in you.

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    1. EyeNeverSayNo

      I just quoted you and found the quotes in the LA Times (as you suggested) that completely refuted what you wrote. The key parts of your post were 180 degrees wrong.

      Did you just make that stuff up about Cicinelli’s shooter being a third strike convict who didn’t want to go back to prison?

      Did you just make up that stuff about his family washing his hands of him?

      I think you did.

      And whatever thin shard of crediblity you might have had here is gone. Poof! Just like that. Nice work. LOL

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    2. EyeNeverSayNo

      The liar Outraged spewed: “If attempting to murder a police officer and raping a woman at gunpoint isn’t dangerous, now I know there is no reasoning left in you.”

      I’m not disputing that the man did a couple of terrible things to Officer Cicinelli and to Guadalupe Silva, and it’s great that he’s in prison for life, but you were the one haughtily calling for factual accuracy, and then you turned around and got nearly everything you wrote dead wrong. So much wrong that it appears you purposely lied. Again, nice work. LOL

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    3. Fullerton Rudy

      “Jimenez also was convicted of aggravated assault, assault with a deadly weapon and false imprisonment”

      Or, in other words not quite as dangerous as your garden variety Fullerton cop.

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  50. outraged

    Johnny Blue :Hey Outraged, I am definitely insulting your intelligence or lack there of. I do work in law enforcement, so I do have a say. The cop was not “defending himself.” Was he defending himself when he said to Kelly, “these are the hands that are going to kick your ass.” I think not. Their behavior are not SOOO “unpredictable” if they are not provoked. This officer KNEW Kelly was mentally ill and provked him. So don’t sit there and make it sound like the officer was just minding his own business when all of sudden Kelly started a rampage.
    He was mentally ill, of course his actions/behavior are going to be different than a normal person! You excluded apparently. If you can’t handle a different person with different behavior with different actions then get out of law enforcement. It is your type of mentality that is a drain on the human race.

    IM NOT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AS I HAVE SAID FROM DAY ONE!

    How do you know all the ofcrs involved knew Kelly?

    How do you know his windpipe was crushed?

    Are you the first officer on scene that escalated this?

    I blame you for the cause of this incident. You should’ve been fired a long tme ago. Every knows you were trouble for many other things.

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    1. EyeNeverSayNo

      Outraged yelled: “IM NOT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AS I HAVE SAID FROM DAY ONE!”

      Yes, but mam, you are a proven liar with zero credibility.

      And how about answering the questions: Did you just make it up that Cicinelli’s shooter “was a serious convict who did not want to go back to prison,” even though at the time of the shooting the man had no criminal record? And did you just make up the stuff about the shooter’s family “washing their hands” of him even though they cried, professed their love and said they’d always stand by him on the day he was sentenced?

      LOL at you still, kook.

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    2. EyeNeverSayNo

      “How do you know all the ofcrs involved knew Kelly?”

      Early on FPD spokesman Goodrich said they did.

      Look it up I believe “well known” was the term he used.

      Otherwise, yet another good point! lol You’e on a roll today mam!

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      1. outraged

        But this site is always saying that Goodrich is spewing lies, so which is it? Is he telling the truth or not?

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      2. Johnny Blue

        Hey EyeNever.. Don’t even bother with trying to rationalize with this idiot. His argument makes absolutely no sense. He is making accusations that I never even mentioned, i.e. the crushing of Kelly’s windpipe. I literally have no idea which direction he is going with his arguments.

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  51. outraged

    EyeNeverSayNo :The liar Outraged spewed: “If attempting to murder a police officer and raping a woman at gunpoint isn’t dangerous, now I know there is no reasoning left in you.”
    I’m not disputing that the man did a couple of terrible things to Officer Cicinelli and to Guadalupe Silva, and it’s great that he’s in prison for life, but you were the one haughtily calling for factual accuracy, and then you turned around and got nearly everything you wrote dead wrong. So much wrong that it appears you purposely lied. Again, nice work. LOL

    Well, I followed that story with great interest. I know more facts than what the newspapers have reported. I have seen the court docs as well. I was interested in writing a book about the whole incident years ago.

    I could send you pics of court docs to backup my claims if that would make you feel better. Whats your email?

    I didn’t make any of this up. I have the proof.

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      1. outraged

        Oh I can and probably will after this is all over.

        It’ll be a best seller and don’t worry I’ll mention Tony and this site, Travis, Anonymous Hacking group, KFI etc. Everyone will be included. I wouldn’t want to leave any part of the story out. 🙂

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    1. EyeNeverSayNo

      Oh but thanks for the offer. Love to see those docs. What’s your email address? I’ll send you mine. lol

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  52. EyeNeverSayNo

    And do these court docs show that Cicinelli’s shooter was a “3rd strike parolee?” If so, how does that match up with the defense attorney’s claim in open court that Cicinelli’s shooter had “no previous criminal record?” He either did or he didn’t, and given a choice between believeing an officer of the court addressing the judge and a kook on the interweb who calls himself Outraged, I think I’ll go with the mouthpiece.

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  53. outraged

    (By the way, believeing was misspelled; it is spelled b-e-l-i-e-v-i-n-g.)

    Let me check my records and I’ll cite the page numbers of the court docs for you.

    Also, you know the press always misquotes people. They don’t state exactly what people say, they paraphrase. I would go with court docs versus what a defense attorney said. That poor attorney citing family man and being intoxicated is hardly an excuse for trying to kill an officer and rape a woman at gunpoint.

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  54. EyeNeverSayNo

    Sorry for the typo. I was distracted while typing when the thought ran through my head, “OMG I’m arguing with a retard.” My apologies.

    No, I don’t “know the press always misquotes people.”

    The guy was either a desperate “3rd strike parolee” or he had no prior criminal record when he shot Cicinelli, and since all you have cited are convictions after the fact, you seem to be supporting the latter rather than the former. I’m glad the guy is in prison for life, but it sure does look like Cicinelli got taken down by a random lowlife drunk latino hothead rather then a wildy dangerous career criminal, tied to mexican drug lords.

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    1. Anonymous

      Yeah, I’ve always had the feeling Chumpnelli was strictly amateur hour, like a lot of the trolls here.

      They talk chess, but they play checkers.

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  55. Stud Lee

    OUTRAGED WROTE:
    “This blog is what started EVERYTHING”

    You might wanna be careful: your selfish and warped worldview is showing. The beating of Kelly Thomas started everything. Since you don’t give 2 craps what happens to anybody who is not you or your buddies, of COURSE you would completely overlook this event that didn’t do anything to harm you personally. It’s when the mean people started protesting…yeah, THAT’S when bad things started happening to you and your buddies; THAT’S when “everything started.”

    “Do you realize that NONE of these allegations have yet to be confirmed.”

    The allegation that Kelly Thomas was beaten to death by cops has been confirmed. By the cops.

    “That’s why you have new bloggers on here, like me…”

    No, you are here because your dark soul feels the need to smear the family of a dead person to try and protect your buddies. Nice job, you’ve been working so very hard at it and you’ve been quite thorough in exploring every possible angle to insult these grieving people. Did you make sure to protest the family at KT’s funeral too, scumbag?

    “trying to wade through the emotional chaos of this mob mentality.”

    Speaking of mob mentality…I dare you to try and wade through the mentality of the police mob that beat Kelly Thomas to death.

    “Doesn’t it bother those of YOU who actually live in Fullerton that these protests, city coucil meetings etc are bringing in people that have their own selfish causes to peddle and don’t care what happens to Fullerton.”

    Yeah selfish causes. I am selfish because I don’t want cops to have to power to beat people to death using excessive force and get away with it. I feel like such a selfish jerk.

    “Then the citizens of Fullerton are left to pick up the pieces of their demise.”

    Vote better next time.

    “Tony, your googled info shows your voting home address is in fact NOT in Fullerton.”

    I Googled the U.S. Constitution and it has this one amendment in it that gives Tony the freedom of speech. I checked and that amendment doesn’t seem to say anything about limiting speech to only things that happen in the city of your voting home address.

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  56. outraged

    Stud Lee :OUTRAGED WROTE:“This blog is what started EVERYTHING”
    You might wanna be careful: your selfish and warped worldview is showing. The beating of Kelly Thomas started everything. Since you don’t give 2 craps what happens to anybody who is not you or your buddies, of COURSE you would completely overlook this event that didn’t do anything to harm you personally. It’s when the mean people started protesting…yeah, THAT’S when bad things started happening to you and your buddies; THAT’S when “everything started.”
    “Do you realize that NONE of these allegations have yet to be confirmed.”
    The allegation that Kelly Thomas was beaten to death by cops has been confirmed. By the cops.
    “That’s why you have new bloggers on here, like me…”
    No, you are here because your dark soul feels the need to smear the family of a dead person to try and protect your buddies. Nice job, you’ve been working so very hard at it and you’ve been quite thorough in exploring every possible angle to insult these grieving people. Did you make sure to protest the family at KT’s funeral too, scumbag?
    “trying to wade through the emotional chaos of this mob mentality.”
    Speaking of mob mentality…I dare you to try and wade through the mentality of the police mob that beat Kelly Thomas to death.
    “Doesn’t it bother those of YOU who actually live in Fullerton that these protests, city coucil meetings etc are bringing in people that have their own selfish causes to peddle and don’t care what happens to Fullerton.”
    Yeah selfish causes. I am selfish because I don’t want cops to have to power to beat people to death using excessive force and get away with it. I feel like such a selfish jerk.
    “Then the citizens of Fullerton are left to pick up the pieces of their demise.”
    Vote better next time.
    “Tony, your googled info shows your voting home address is in fact NOT in Fullerton.”
    I Googled the U.S. Constitution and it has this one amendment in it that gives Tony the freedom of speech. I checked and that amendment doesn’t seem to say anything about limiting speech to only things that happen in the city of your voting home address.

    The pd never has never said he was beaten to death. The coroner has yet to release the cause of death.

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  57. outraged

    I am not a schizophrenic homeless individual, who does not want to take my anti-psychotic drugs, that would ever think about resisting police in a search.

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  58. outraged

    EyeNeverSayNo :Sorry for the typo. I was distracted while typing when the thought ran through my head, “OMG I’m arguing with a retard.” My apologies.
    No, I don’t “know the press always misquotes people.”
    The guy was either a desperate “3rd strike parolee” or he had no prior criminal record when he shot Cicinelli, and since all you have cited are convictions after the fact, you seem to be supporting the latter rather than the former. I’m glad the guy is in prison for life, but it sure does look like Cicinelli got taken down by a random lowlife drunk latino hothead rather then a wildy dangerous career criminal, tied to mexican drug lords.

    Well clearly that’s your opinion, and if you ever run into a wildy dangerous career criminal armed, that is tied to mexican drug lords? What would you do? Call the police for help? or fend for yourself?

    thanks I’m enjoying my first amendment right too 🙂

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    1. Stud Lee

      “What would you do? Call the police for help? ”

      Of course. That’s what we pay them for. I don’t get your question.

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  59. I ♥ COPS

    It’s so funny that people are demanding that they hear the 911 call and see video and they are demanding that the officers go to prison, they are marching in the streets to get what they want, demanding that the D.A. file charges, demanding that people resign, making all these demands BUT…… who are you? Nobody has to listen to you, nobody has to give you answers, in fact, they can prolong it just to watch you squirm. You are nobody when it comes to this case, just like me. WE DO NOT MATTER… GET IT? Sure you can threaten to recall or say you won’t vote for this person or that person, you can run for office but right here right now….. you are nothing. 🙂

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    1. Stud Lee

      “It’s so funny that people are demanding that they hear the 911 call and see video and they are demanding that the officers go to prison”

      What kind of person thinks its funny when people demand justice? Funny? Really? Were you laughing during the video when you heard KT yelling for his dad?

      By the way we OWN that 911 call and the video.

      “demanding that the D.A. file charges”

      We pay him. We voted for him and can undo that mistake. You’re damn f*cking right we’re demanding charges get filed.

      “demanding that people resign”

      Looks like that’s making some pretty good progress. We’re cleaning out the crap.

      “BUT…… who are you?”

      Americans.

      “Nobody has to listen to you, nobody has to give you answers, in fact, they can prolong it just to watch you squirm.

      You would have SO loved to live under totalitarian communism. I wish you the opportunity to experience it someday. Somewhere far away from here.

      “WE DO NOT MATTER… GET IT?”

      That’s coward talk.

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      1. I ♥ COPS

        I think it’s funny because you have NO FACTS. You are just demanding for no reason. You OWN that 911 call but you have entrusted elected officials to investigate that. The average tax payer does not get to decide what the D.A. can or can not do. If you think it was a mistake to elect the D.A. you’re right, next election, you can undo that. You can make all the demands you want but RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW YOU ARE NOTHING.

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        1. Stud Lee

          “you have NO FACTS

          Cops repeatedly struck KT on the head. They tazed him multiple times. Before the beating, he was (allegedly) strong enough to resist arrest to the point where 6 cops performed the above actions. He was braindead before he made it to the hospital. Which facts are missing here? Do you look at math problems like “2+2=?” and complain that you don’t have all the facts?

          “You can make all the demands you want”

          Thanks, but we don’t need your condescending permission.

          “RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW YOU ARE NOTHING.”

          We are Americans. United we kicked the British out of our country, planted our flag on Iwo Jima, liberated concentration camps, developed nuclear power, built interstate highways, walked on the moon, and have amassed more wealth than any other nation on Earth. If you think we can’t unite right here right now and see that justice is done then you’re most likely functionally retarded.

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        1. Reality Is

          And what I mean by that is go ahead and pound me in the mangina…just do not expect me to reciprocate.

          I am a purse flinging catcher all the way.

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  60. HRM

    “Nobody has to listen to you, nobody has to give you answers, in fact, they can prolong it just to watch you squirm”

    Sure they can, if they want the city of Fullerton further tarnished, disgraced and possible disfigured.

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  61. Mainjet

    I really hope this is not the prevailing attitude toward the public; and I will choose to believe it is not, for now at least.

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    1. Stud Lee

      It is. ALL of the “blindly support cops no matter what” crowd make and support these types of statements.

      Not only that, they have been posting VERY nasty statements about the family of the victim. That’s how they are. “We will beat you to death (allegedly™) and then verbally attack (allegedly™) your grieving family.”

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      1. I ♥ COPS

        Victim is yet to be determined. You have been posting VERY nasty comments about the officers and other officials. Now what???

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        1. Stud Lee

          “Victim is yet to be determined.”

          His name is Kelly Thomas.

          “You have been posting VERY nasty comments about the officers and other officials.”

          ??? All I opined about was the VERY nasty things they (allegedly) did to Kelly Thomas. I think you might be trying to hold me accountable for what other people have said. I’m not them. If the cops are in the right I will vocally support them. True story. If they WERE, I’d expect them to be clamoring for evidence to be released. I would.

          I have, however denounced the soulless jerks bashing the grieving family. Hopefully you haven’t been one of them. You seem to be real big on only posting facts. Hopefully you haven’t judged the family and their motives based on your personal opinion.

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  62. jaynbond

    Coward talk? Sounds like reality to me. There are little Washington DC’s all over the U.S. And yes they can do what they want, but remember change is not always for the better.

    Can you spell ARNOLD?

    Our form of government may not be great but it’s the best thing goin’.

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    1. Stud Lee

      “Our form of government may not be great but it’s the best thing goin’.”

      Agreed. And good men and women are trying to improve it. Surely you believe in improving things.

      Let’s start small with things like not allowing police to murder people via excessive force (allegedly). Can we agree on that?

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  63. Horrified

    In a news video, CNBC i think, about how Santa Cruz police use predictive algorithm in policing. They were shown as a regular part of their arsenal in their patrol cars, assault rifles, M16. I thought special weapon belongs to SWAT team, the SW part. Or i guess M16 is nothing special.

    In many past PB cases, even with HD video documentation, the officers up and down the ladder had all spoken with straight faces: they need to subdue a resistive suspect, this is all part of the normal arsenal of AT, Advanced Technique.

    Why the police continued this practice? None of them ever goes to jail. So why stop.

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    1. Reality Is

      Hard to understand what you were asking but all of our cars and motorcycles have an AR15 rifle, a shotgun, and a beanbag. M16’s, MP5’s, & AR15’s became common after the Hollywood shootout.

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  64. MP58

    Kamala Harris, Jerry Brown time for a special prosecutor. Jerry you were the State’s A.G. before retaking the Governor’s seat are you awake ?

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  65. J. Quall

    Protest outside the slidebar, any takers? I’m shedding a tear right now for the local businesses who have been “affected” by this incident. Why don’t these places obviously in bed with FPD call in some more favors and have all the protesters beaten to death? That should solve the problem

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  66. MP58

    If Ritto is so concerned about Fullerton business owners he should be first in line to speak at the Council meetings demanding Justice and a change in the P.D.’s attitude that it is them against the Public and that every citizen that they encounter is a threat. Can you say McKinley

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  67. J. Quall

    Protest outside the slidebar, any takers? I’m shedding a tear right now for the local businesses who have been “affected” by this incident. Why don’t these places obviously in bed with FPD call in some more favors and have all the protesters beaten toac
    death? That should solve the problem

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  68. jaynbond

    Hey Quail, it seems like you’ve got some of your own issues. Why would you want to picket at the Slide Bar? Every time a business closes, it hurts the whole town. Fullerton has a lot of small shops that are struggling, you will make it worse with that tude.

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    1. Stud Lee

      If the slider bar closes, wouldn’t people just go to the next bar down the row?

      “Every time a business closes, it hurts the whole town.”
      Every time a man is beaten to death by cops using excessive force (allegedly™), it hurts the whole town.

      Fixed that for you.

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      1. Anonymous

        The trademark on allegedly is fucking priceless, LMAO.

        Stud Lee, you need to writing some of these articles bro, you’re good.

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  69. The Truth will set you free!

    Goodrich, the police spokesman, said allegations that the officers in the Mam case perjured themselves were false because they believed when they testified that they had arrested the right person.

    Give me a break…back peddle to protect the officers. There have been officers in past that have been caught on the stand by the JUDGE, perjurying himself. He was taken behind closed doors and the department gave him a slap on the wrist…really..Officer B!!!HIs uncle was a lieutenant at the time and now a OCDA investigator. BTW he was also arrested for DUI last year..wonder what happened with that???

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  70. jaynbond

    Stud Lee:

    I was happy to see you use the word
    “allegedly” you’re one of the few.

    Seems like most of the bloggers want to execute them on the spot. If an officer lies under penalty of perjury, he/she should be fired on the spot. A lie is a lie is lie and it affects the lives of others.

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    1. Of Course

      Yes Kelly is allegedly dead. His skull and throat were allegedly crushed. 6 FPD goons were allegedly there. Cop bones were allegedly broken. Kelly had allegedly stolen legal documents. The was an alleged “fight,” “encounter,” “scuffle, “tussle,”

      Many things have been alleged by FPD. They were all lies.

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    2. Stud Lee

      “I was happy to see you use the word
      ‘allegedly’ you’re one of the few.”

      I’m extremely confused here. It seems that you have spent an inordinate amount of your time on this blog condemning and bashing the grieving family of this victim. Who attacks the family of a dead man? Who does that??? Where is the ‘allegedly’ in your statements about his father? Where is your acknowledgement of the many things his family did to try and help him? Such as get a restraining order against him for the SOLE PURPOSE of forcing him into treatment? Or opening their home to him any time he wanted and begging him to stay there against his wishes? Or the frequent visits bringing him stuff like food & clothes?

      Some of your posts are morally sickening.

      “If an officer lies under penalty of perjury, he/she should be fired on the spot. A lie is a lie is lie and it affects the lives of others.”

      Again, I’m extremely confused. You seem to be spending ALL of your time here either (a) bashing the victim’s family or (b) bashing people who want exactly what’s in your quote above.

      What do you actually believe in?

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        1. Stud Lee

          “Where is your acknowledgement of the many things his family did to try and help him? Such as get a restraining order against him for the SOLE PURPOSE of forcing him into treatment? Or opening their home to him any time he wanted and begging him to stay there against his wishes? Or the frequent visits bringing him stuff like food & clothes?”

          Waiting for a SINGLE post from you acknowledging ANY of these FACTS. Just one. I dare you. And yet I KNOW the evil sadistic prick bastard within you will prevent you from doing so.

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  71. john doe

    Reality Is :
    Yes. I have said that from the start. I have always said maybe 2 cops charged with assault and 4 walk with nothing. Political maneuver.

    How can it be assault when it wasnt intentional?

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    1. Reality Is

      Political. Just to appease the morons. One extra strike assault under the color of authority. Won’t hold in trial though.

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  72. jaynbond

    The pokice did not kill KT, the Thomas family share in that responsibilty. Sadly a life was lost because KT was not properly medicated or eating and sleeping properly.

    Having children is a priviledge, not just a responsibility. So when the going gets tough what do you do? Bail out on your kid?

    When this is finished you will probably see that KT died from a well known diagnoses of Excited Delirium. Google it! Toxicology results not yet in.

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    1. Stud Lee

      “The pokice did not kill KT”

      Correct. The police did (allegedly). The people who bashed his skull and windpipe in killed him. The police had blood on their hands (literally), not the family.

      “Having children is a priviledge, not just a responsibility. So when the going gets tough what do you do? Bail out on your kid? ”

      Still waiting for you to post the positive things the family really did do for their child. You completely ignored that from my last post. I knew you would, because your agenda is to deflect the responsibility, not to embrace the truth. I wait with eager anticipation for your posts about the good positive things the family did for KT.

      “When this is finished you will probably see that KT died from a well known diagnoses of Excited Delirium. Google it! ”

      I just Googled Excited Delirium and didn’t find anything about symptoms such as “crush windpipe” and “concusion” and “getting tazed 6 times” and “bleeding all over officers.” You?

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      1. I ♥ COPS

        How on earth do you know that he had a crushed windpipe? How do you know that his skull was bashed? Finally someone that can give me facts.

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        1. Jane

          becuase his windpipe was actually crush you dumb ass!! Because he was brain dead from his skull be bashed in! Any questions idiot? Stop smoking so much pot its interfering with your ability to reason.

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  73. jaynbond

    Stud:

    Ron Thomas is spewing a lot of baloney out there. Why should he, the green grieving father, not be challenged also? Most ppl realize that he is just after the money. How does twenty million of your tax dollars sound?

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      1. Reality Is

        I don’t think you will even have to do a recall. They are just waiting for all the activists to do all the work then they will all walk away. No point in anyone being on that council anymore or in the future. City is done. But they all like to see all the activists working so hard, sweating balls off, and getting signatures.

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    1. corrupt

      Sounds like a start.. give Mam $5 million…. It will be pissed away by a corrupt city guvment anyway. $25 million means they wont be able to hire more jack booted thugs for awhile (the kind that lie on the witness stand and beat people to death) heck since it was on duty the union should be on the hook for at least half of it…. if only we could make the union pay.

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      1. Reality Is

        If only. Don’t forget to budget for the increase in homeless in Fullerton. They are on the move big time. I know LAPD and numerous other agencies are encouraging they go to Fullerton for great hospitality.

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    2. Stud Lee

      “Ron Thomas is spewing a lot of baloney out there.”

      Where’s the “allegedly?” Oh sorry, forgot. That only applies to police officers.

      “Why should he, the green grieving father, not be challenged also?”

      For reals? Why should you not challenge a grieving father? If I have to supply an answer for you, that giant void where your morals should be would only swallow it up.

      “Most ppl realize that he is just after the money.”

      Cite your source please. My sources agree that the money will all go to the homeless.

      “How does twenty million of your tax dollars sound?”

      Sounds like strong motivation to vote for different people next time. And even stronger motivation to do something unheard of: apply the actual law to law enforcement officers.

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  74. Disgusted

    We should already be planning to protest at the DA’s office when he fails to prosecute the officers responsible (and we all know it’s coming). This is not just about Fullerton. Our DA is a HUGE part of the problem. It is a county problem (remember the last sheriff?). That is where the REAL protest should be. FPD wouldn’t even try to sell us this shit if they did not know that the DA had their back.

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    1. Reality Is

      Protest everywhere. City hall, police station, DAs office, attorney generals office, FBI, and any other place. Hit em all. Seeing you think you gave such a world wide force behind this just put 1000 people at each location.

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  75. jaynbond

    Hello! Does anyone out there care about the facts?

    What if it proves to be other than murder, will any of you accept that finding?

    If the facts are that an officer violated the law, then he should be punished

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    1. Stud Lee

      “What if it proves to be other than murder, will any of you accept that finding?”

      Why the need for misdirection, lies, and secrecy from FPD if it wasn’t murder? Police release videos of crime ALL THE TIME. Even before witnesses are interviewed. Why not release this particular video right away, undoctored?

      We are having a really tough time accepting that these men might be innocent because of how THEY are handling the issue. They haven’t even agreed to speak to the DA. Shouldn’t they be eager to clear themselves of wrongdoing??? FPD hasn’t released the video. The FPD spokesman claimed broken bones and didn’t clarify that to be untrue for 3 weeks. The officers said they found stuff stolen from vehicles in his backpack despite the FACT that no vehicles were broken into.

      Then there is the indisputable fact that Kelly Thomas died. He didn’t die of malnutrition or hypothermia. He died as a direct result of police officers’ action. BUT FOR the beating/tazing/knee drops to the throat and head, Kelly Thomas would not have been braindead that night.

      If the facts are that all 6 officers violated the law, would you take back the vicious speculation you have levied against the grieving family members on this blog?

      “If the facts are that an officer violated the law, then he should be punished”

      I don’t believe this is what you believe. Based on your posting history.

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  76. I ♥ COPS

    @jaynbond, they already have their minds made up but who cares, they are NOTHING. They are already planning to protest the DA when the facts don’t conform to what “THEY THINK” happened. They will not accept it, they will just keep spending their weekends walking and yelling down the streets of Fullerton. Who cares. They act like they have an influence on scientific facts. They don’t. I do agree, if an officer violated the law, he should be punished.

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    1. Stud Lee

      They CAN and DID influence the FBI. Was the FBI on this case prior to the protests and subsequent national/international attention?

      “I do agree, if an officer violated the law, he should be punished.”

      Quoted for posterity.

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    2. Jane

      Oh goodie you have some sense tonight……. 6 police beat and murdered innocent man, instead of handcuffing him and calling it a night….. this means all 6 will be punished in some form.

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    3. Jane

      They violated not only the law but another human being….. so therefore they will be punished. I’m not sure why you don’t understand what happened. Have you not seen the OCTA video and other video taken by witnesses and deduce he was beaten to death? If you don’t get that maybe you should live in Lybia or Egypt.

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    4. dixiejon

      the piggies at Policeone.com think Hampton is the greatest cop ever. even posting threats about what they would do. you’ll like it

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  77. Anonymous

    outraged :

    Dr. Zillman :How long is considered a reasonable amount of time before we get an official response from the City of Fullerton?
    30 days?45 days?90 days?120 days?
    It seems that with all the resources that have been applied to this case, a reasonable amount of time has already passed.

    This shows how little you know about the law; similiar cases, etc

    Are you bragging or complaining? WTF kind of comment is that?

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  78. I ♥ COPS

    AND………. if Ron Thomas takes to the streets accusing people of things that he has no idea about then he gets whatever people say about him. That’s the way it is. And we are supposed to feel sorry for this guy because his son who he wouldn’t even let sleep on his porch and washed his hands of, died. I do feel bad for Kelly because he was mentally ill and had no support and had to live at the bustop and his mental illness got the best of him but the dad………. no way. Ron Thomas is a has been who couldn’t cut it in law enforcement and now he wants to blame cops for his son’s death. Ron Thomas should of taken care of his son and not WASHED HIS HANDS OF HIM. Poor grieving father……….. yeah right.

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    1. Stud Lee

      Wikipedia says up to 5 times (allegedly):

      “The officers then repeatedly shocked Thomas with Tasers, beat him with the butts of the Tasers and flashlights, and slammed him into the ground.[4] A video of the event surfaced, and Thomas can be heard repeatedly screaming in pain while they shock him (up to five times according to a witness statement) in the video”

      Are you disagreeing that he was Tased multiple times? Are you disagreeing with witness statements?

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      1. Stud Lee

        And witnesses on the bus video say 6 times. I was not there and am not a witness, so I choose to believe the people who were actually there. You?

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        1. Reality Is

          People on the bus were witnesses? Or just heard the fight? Heard the taser? You might be surprised what they actually saw. That’s why the video wasn’t released and thank god it wasn’t. There would be at least 100 more witnesses if it had been.

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      2. I ♥ COPS

        Anyone can type whatever info they want on Wiki or edit it if they don’t like what it says. So if that’s where you are getting your FACTS…. you are so wrong.

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          1. I ♥ COPS

            First of all who’s record? AND…. I am not stating facts until they are all conclusive. BUT how can you say six times when you don’t know either.

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          2. Stud Lee

            The same way you can state

            — “you all can stop the ASSuming.” when you don’t know who is assuming or who actually knows things you don’t know.

            — “they already have their minds made up” when you are not Miss Cleo and you really don’t know this

            — “Ron Thomas is a has been who couldn’t cut it in law enforcement” based on what?

            — “you have NO FACTS”

            You consistently post things as facts and then bitch at people for supposedly doing the same thing. Is is ALWAYS wrong or is it NEVER wrong? Or is it only wrong when someone you disagree with does it. Or is this all continued misdirection?

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        1. Stud Lee

          And Wiki is heavily monitored. Incorrect information is quickly corrected. This information has been there for weeks. Why has it not been re-edited or corrected?

          What do you have to say about the witnesses? No doubt it will involve smearing them. You are very lawyeresque in your argumentative style.

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  79. jaynbond

    Stud:

    The only facts at this time are that KT was neglected by the people who should care the most and the fact that he is dead. Nothing else!!!

    Unfortunately, all toxicology samples are sent to the State crime lab for processing. Government work!

    And I too would like to see the video released

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    1. Stud Lee

      Are you saying that police DIDN’T beat Kelly Thomas? That part was left out of your list of facts.

      “And I too would like to see the video released”

      I doubt it.

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  80. I ♥ COPS

    Stud Lee……… HOW DO YOU KNOW THE OFFICERS HAVE NOT SPOKE TO THE DA????

    I hope the video is released soon so you all can stop the ASSuming.

    And maybe, just maybe….. I KNOW more than you.

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    1. Stud Lee

      Rackaukas admitted that his investigators have not spoken to any of The Fullerton Six who have refused to speak to them.

      “And maybe, just maybe….. I KNOW more than you.”

      How?

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    2. Stud Lee

      How do you KNOW we are “ASSuming.” Where are you getting this from? What is your source? Why don’t you add “allegedly”?

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  81. MP58

    jaynbond too bad Kelly Thomas was not “neglected” by the murderers employed by the FPD because then he would still be alive. You truly are a piece of human garbage. Hopefully you have not reproduced and perpetuated your defective genetic make up

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        1. Anti Nazi

          I Love Cops 8/22/11
          Here we go again “I Love Cops” putting your -2 cents in again. You’re like some damned horse fly always buzzing around looking to bite something. It was ALLEGEDLY breaking into cars, numb ovaries/nuts. For this alleged crime KT did not deserve to be beaten to death. Dah, when are you going to get it, being homeless is not a crime, In your case being stupid is a capital offense. Guilty, death, case closed, next.

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      1. Stud Lee

        Oh and since you are all gung-ho about facts and proof, where is your facts and proof that he broke into vehicles?

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    1. Stud Lee

      How would an autopsy reveal the number of times someone has been Tased? That doesn’t make any sense. I think you just made that up.

      The Tasers apparently can keep track of how many times they have been discharged. Why hasn’t this information been released? How could that information possibly hinder an investigation?

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      1. Reality Is

        It has been released and so have the computer files. Like everything else, nothing will be released to the public.

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        1. Xer

          How does it feel to know you are on a sinking ship and the water all around is filled with hungry sharks? You punks really aren’t going to get away with it this time. FPD is going to be receiving extra attention from State and Federal govs for some time after all this. It ain’t over yet, Gracie, not for a good while. You Boyz are going to be on probation. ONE slip up, and clang goes the iron cage door. And, you think you can just transfer out to another department? hahahaha! You Bad Boyz are lepers now. Count on it.

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      2. I ♥ COPS

        NO, I didn’t make it up. A taser gun is used in two ways, I don’t know what FPD uses exactly but it does not matter, either two little darts entered K. Thomas skin when he was tased OR if it was just electric current, that would have left two little black marks. An autopsy will reveal how many marks are on him or darts were in him which will determin how many times he was tased. So anyone can speculate and say he was tased 5 or 6 or 100, it doesn’t matter what you say. Autopsy will reveal FACTS. SHHHHHEEEEEESH.

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        1. Wrong Guy

          What does matter is your cyclops buddy used the back of the taser to bust open Kelly’s forehead (see the square bandage in photo) then continued smashing the back of his head with it.
          I’m sure a Nazi-Gestapo supporter like you ‘cop-lover’ thinks that was justified. Don’t forget, he was hogtied while ‘one-eye’ did this.

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  82. You're all sheep

    Innocent Man? Pretty funny considering Veth Mam has a warrant out for his arrest right now. “Becky” is accurate when she says that you do not know the whole story. Why don’t you stick with what you do know and go invest in some real estate.

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    1. Reality Is

      Listen to the real Mam tape. Azzholes refused to back off and almost incited a riot. He deserved to be biatch slapped.

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      1. Xer

        by Reality Isn’t on August 22, 2011
        Listen to the real Mam tape. Azzholes refused to back off and almost incited a riot.

        Actually, that is not what I heard and I’ve watch and listened to the tape several times. It looks like the Fullerton police have a recent history of using unnecessary force when making arrests and inciting crowds of onlookers without any help from Veth Mam. Don’t forget recordings of Kelly Thomas beating also have voices of onlookers decrying the police brutality, and Veth Mam wasn’t even there that night! Perhaps you should see a doctor about having your hearing checked? Oh, and are you familiar with what schizophrenia does to the human mind? You might want lo learn what the early symptoms of this disease are so you can get early treatment. Just sayin.’

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    2. Xer

      And that is beginning to sound like Police Retaliation. Is that another felony? Funny you know about this alleged warrant yet there is no mention of it in this article:

      http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-19/us/california.fullerton.lawsuit_1_chief-kevin-hamilton-fullerton-police-fullerton-city-officials?_s=PM:US

      or this one: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/22/kelly-thomas-veth-mam-inc_n_932958.html

      Nor is there any mention anywhere online of your alleged warrant. HOW WOULD YOU KNOW SUCH A THING? What is the warrant for, winning against the FPD in a court of law? You jokers just can’t dig this hole deep enough can you? Keep trying, though, and it will all cave in on you soon. Wonder how you will enjoy the claustrophobia poor Kelly must have been experiencing all bound up and unable to protect himself from unspeakable torture at the hands of you and your buds?

      We are not sheep, cowardly punk, we are simply normal people intelligent enough to not swallow lies from the FPD. YOU are sheep, all to yellow to stand up to the union bosses and report the corruption destroying your department and your town. Citizens are not sheep because they demand accountability from the ones living off taxpayer money. If you can’t handle honest police work, find another occupation. I hear the sanitation engineers listing has opened up. If you hurry you can get on the list and interview for the next position that opens. You would still be able to live off the taxpayers too, and your retirement and benefits should transfer without a hitch. I used to work for government and I always hated jerks like you that gave the rest of us a bad name. Why can’t you punks find a job in the private sector and stop giving black eyes to all civil servants? Oh yeah, because you couldn’t handle honest work! Punks. Cowards. Gutless cowards. Wimps.

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  83. MR. Justice Sir.

    Evidence, No Evidence some are saying!
    The pitcher’s of Kelly Thomas taken at local hospital after he was beaten too death speaks volumes for those of you whom thinks you need to support the actions of FPD involvements into the death of Kelly Thomas. Evidence! This is all evidence needed.
    For as the Mayor saying he had seen worse in WAR! Speaks volumes of his lack of caring about human life , and speaks volume to Fullerton residents that he compares his city to a WAR ZONE!
    The D.A. office not releasing a tax payer paid surveillance tape and ignoring FOIA request from tax payers and media outlets, risking his career, speaks volumes of a cover up!
    Officers not coming forward to speak either on their behalf or speak against the act they had witnessed that night ,Speaks volumes of evidence of a cover up!
    The D.A. and city knows what is on that tape would cause an outcry never seen in their little town as everyone would plaster it nationally on media outlets . By not releasing it speaks volumes of evidence of a cover up. Knowing the D.A. has a law degree, He knows about the 180 days rule set by law, and trying to prolong this past that point so no charges can be filed, speaks volumes of evidence of a cover up.

    People there ‘s a Humane Slaughter Act that is enforced in our country , It explains the humane way for slaughterhouse’s to kill livestock, Then read the History, Design , Process, on Slaughterhouses, Then read “Taser safety issues“, Read this and watch the Video taking the night of Kelly Thomas beating , This speaks VOLUMES, none of what the FPD was humane that night resulting in the death of Kelly Thomas, As Kelly was treated like a piece of livestock and not a Human Being!.

    The witnesses on tape from the bus describing what they had witness, Speaks volumes of evidence four times, count the people on tape talking to the bus driver. Now add the Bus driver, and the other bus driver he was talking to and explaining what was going on, Now that’s SIX pieces of evidence.

    Now lets take only one word form our BILL OF RIGHTS, “LIFE’ Kelly had the right to life! Not to mention other rights that was violated. More than one piece of Evidence here to be debated in court.
    This country has laws such as Assault and Battery , Look this up people! Even if Kelly Thomas was trying to get away this is not Assault , However if the police threaten to hit him or use a Taser on him , and then inflected battery after custody, Then this is Assault and Battery by the police, The D.A. knows this, We know this, He has a Law license, So this Speaks Volumes of evidence of a cover up. Then people look up Aggravated assault, Look up Arrest, Yes later of the two will be battle in court, However conflict of the law by the people is evidence enough for cause of hearing. {YES EVIDENCE}

    So Steven Dettelbach of U.S. Department of Justice it has been laid out , You just need one, ONE piece of evidence , that’s all. So go do your damm job now! To quote the words of the President of these United States , “These are not opinions to be debated, These are facts to be dealt with!

    “ Does this clarified the Evidence part NOW as we know it!”

    Justice

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      1. Xer

        Drink up, Gracie. Maybe if you get drunk enough it will all go away. Try dropping shots into your glasses of beer. I understand that helps a lot. Gutless wimp, you’re going to love the big house. They’re going to love you too… every night you can pull your own trains. woowoo!

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    1. Reality Is

      I can tell you with 100% certainty that if this whole thing was as the activists are dreaming it was, you would have hard from the DA and everyone else already. If he was sitting on a bench reading a book and 6 cops ran up and beat the crap out of him and tasered him 6 times, charges would have been filed and people would be in jail.

      It didn’t happen even close to that and that’s why you aren’t hearing anything. As much as you cry and whine, you still won’t get anything. It’s very complex and difficult determining when someone runs and fights, how much force is reasonable force and is there enough evidence to bring it to trial.

      So keep smoking that pipe thinking it happened your way and keep dreaming you can make demands and someone will cater to you.

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  84. I ♥ COPS

    Those people on the bus video didn’t know what the heck they were talking about. I felt like I was watching a skit from SNL. One person said he was being kicked and was intoxicated, another person said he was just chillin when cops beat him up and that he wasn’t drunk. Really, how would they know if he was drunk or intoxicated? And even people watching all have differnet accounts of what happened so anyone basing their knowledge on the bus video is sadly mistaken.

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    1. MR. Justice Sir.

      I LV Cops look up schizophrenia , What is one of the most common misdiagnose trait with people unfamiliar with schizophrenia, Of course police has a mandatory 16 hours of training to be able to detect this, Another piece of evidence, What is very importance all agreed to on the bus that he was hog tied while being beat, another piece of evidence, and was left on the ground dieing with out medical assistance and left for over ten minutes in the ambulance, another piece of evidence. {Life}

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  85. Jeffy

    Protest outside the slidebar, any takers? I’m shedding a tear right now for the local businesses who have been “affected” by this incident. Why don’t these places obviously in bed with FPD call in some more favors and have all the protesters beaten to
    death? That should solve the problem

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  86. jaynbond

    Hey Stud, this is for you!

    Excited Delirium-

    Terry Jackson, San Bernardino April 2011
    Howard Hyde, Nova Scotia Dec 2010
    Leonel Farias, Providence Oct 2008
    Jason Swift, Pawtucket Feb 2008
    Edmond Yu, Toronto Feb 1997
    Tony Andrade, UK Mar 1997
    Lester Donaldson, Toronto Aug 1988

    Reynel Jardine-Douglas Toronto Aug 2010
    Byron Debassige Toronto Feb 2008
    Antonio Bellon Toronto Jan 2004
    Otto Vass Toronto Aug 2000
    Wayne Williams Toronto June 1996

    This is only a few of them – All from Excited Delirium

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    1. MR. Justice Sir.

      Doint mean a thing if he was hog tied ! now does it! And of course not to say that there is no law to back this up, has yet be heard or challanged in high court. But however with that said, We now know at least one of you sumbuckets came out in the open to defend your self. NICE!
      However I have to respect that!

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      1. MR. Justice Sir.

        Jaynbound , come on, Why not tell your side of what happened, Tell us! Ever man has the right to confront his accusers.

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    2. Corrupt

      Out of the 12 you listed 8 are not in the U.S…. seems juries here dont belive this crap as much as those wishy washy Canadians do….

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  87. Xer

    by Xer Cist on August 22, 2011
    I wish I could be at that bar the whole …..next few weeks.

    I realize, Cyst, you are a great and powerful thinker, being as how you can see the “Big picture,” and all, so could you explain to my pathetically tiny mind what in the heck “tree huggers” have to do with ANY of this? It was a HUMAN BEING that was beaten until his very life’s blood stained the curb and Gutter of downtown Fullerton. I have heard of no trees being beaten, tasered and murdered in Fullerton, CA. IS my ‘view’ of the “Big picture” to small I simply missed all the trees that were murdered there too?

    Please help me understand the “Big picture,” the way you do, oh Great and powerful Swami. This is so thrilling, it’s not often I get to talk to a real live genius! Of course, since you are so terribly brilliant, it is unthinkable you would introduce “treehuggers” to try and distract people from a BRUTAL MURDER of an innocent man by Fullerton Police Officers sworn to uphold the laws and protect the pubic. It would be unthinkable you would ever be so dishonest because that would be beneath someone as wonderful has you. Though it might be more accurate to promote yourself as tree-cyst. 🙂

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  88. Get Real

    Are prior Police Video’s public record? There was a HUGE fight at Tuscany club about a year ago. . And FPD beat the shit out of some people. The fight splilled out into the intersection of of Harbor and Commonwealth. That might be an interesting video to watch. I know the city has some great camera’s covering that intersection.

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