StormHarbor Speaks!

One of our Friends, “StormHarbor” wrote a comment yesterday that was so appropriate and well-written that I just had to give it a special post. Here it is:

Many of us find no gratification that police officers have been indicted and face serious consequences for heinous actions. Those emotions are most suitable for family members and loved ones of the victims. Perhaps what has fueled public outrage over this past summer’s revelations involving police misconduct is an inner patriotic desire to preserve our republic and a way of life that has been the envy of the world for so many decades. Unquestionably, we are becoming increasingly appalled by the utter contempt of those who govern towards those who are governed.

The Kelly Thomas killing was incredibly brazen. An American citizen was brutally tortured and beaten to death publicly in front of scores of witnesses. His unconscious, hogtied body was dragged out to the middle of the street for public viewing. Witnesses were understandably terrified and confused as to their personal responsibility to intervene. Afterwards, these six men calmly climbed back into their cruisers and sped away. They slept peacefully that night confident in a political machine and local press that would cover their misdeeds and perhaps even reward them with praise.

We understand that those who have created such a climate must see and acknowledge the error of their ways. Instead, these guys just deflect responsibility. Oh. Kelly was homeless. Is that why you’re upset? Yes, that must be the problem here. Well, we’ll just set up a commission to study the homeless problem. Problem solved.

They continue to flaunt an air of infallibility. No one has stepped up and accepted any responsibility for the climate that exists except for some of us citizens who realize we were asleep in our berths while the ship was being steered towards the rocks. Well, we’re not asleep anymore. We are calling out our city leaders, the district attorney and a compliant OC Register for propping up such a self-serving political machine in OC. Hopefully, a new attitude will start in Fullerton and spread across our land.

86 Replies to “StormHarbor Speaks!”

  1. The Magna Carta of Police Brutality. Should be cast in bronze and a copy placed in the lobby of Fullerton City Hall AND in the council chambers.

  2. StormHarbor “Oh. Kelly was homeless. Is that why you’re upset? Yes, that must be the problem here. Well, we’ll just set up a commission to study the homeless problem. Problem solved.”

    Does StormHarbor refer to the Fullerton Task Force on the homeless and mentally ill headed by Rusty Kennedy, the long-time friend/colleague of ex-Fullerton police chief and current Fullerton city council member Pat McKinley? Do I sense further collusion to cover-up the murder of Kelly Thomas by our very own police force , the Fullerton PD?

  3. StormHarbor, thank you for your clarity on the growing discontent arising from our representatives in government disconnecting us. The era of civic leaders telling us to talk to the hand is over.

  4. Since 9/11, the political ruling class has used it as an excuse to setup this atmosphere of fear and intimidation throughout the land. They believe that the rule of law no longer applies to them. They have become tyrants in every sense of the word. It is too late for poor Mr. Kelly, but we must not let his death go unpunished nor must we remain silent. If we do either then we truly deserve to be enslaved.

  5. The absolute truth of the matter is that the country needs to steer itself back to its founding principles. That begins with major public involvement in governance!

  6. How about reading this at the next Council Meeting? It might be the “shot heard around the world.”

  7. everyone should get up and read it at council meeting. there should be a line out the door to read this and all other atrocities that have been committed until they leave. No business as usual until we get some answers

  8. Armory Emergency Shelter Program

    Armory Emergency Shelter provides shelter for up to 400 homeless men and women at Fullerton and Santa Ana Armories. We would love to be able to provide them with a gift for Christmas. Mercy House is looking for groups that would be willing to collect socks and fill them with candy/treats for the homeless men and women we serve (sock sizes: adult 6-12 men & women)

    http://www.mercyhouse.net/?page_id=2069

  9. The comment and message is clear and to the point. But……..if the (3) Fossils navigate their way through this time of turmoil, then all the talking and writing won’t be worth too much in my humble opinion. The FPD will, in the future, continue on with business as usual and The City of Fullerton will be spent into oblivion at the taxpayer expense.

    Like I have said ad nauseum, I have been on what I feel is the right side all along. But I feel the air slowly coming out of this balloon and I hope there is enough left to get the FPD reformed and the city government back on a path of honesty,decency and fiscal accountability. I don’t know if in the end it will happen, but I will fight on.

    Best to all my fellow Americans on this blog……….

    1. I agree Moron. As I said early on, it will only be the die hards left in the end. The ones you see at every city council meeting nationwide. Yelling for change. Screaming for justice. Attempting to educate their peers on the whacky way city governments work. Those people become known as the nutballs and in the end city leaders don’t even listen. Bushala and his klan were seen in this light for years. They jumped on the Kelly wagon and gained some steam. Now we will see if they can keep that train going long enough to implement their desired change. The momentum is clearly sputtering. Time will tell how it all turns out. Recall failure will be the death of them. Success will still be a fight because that still doesn’t mean the replacements will be people of their kind. Will be fun to watch. 🙂

      1. wait till the verdicts are given. Guarantee everyone will be watching, guarantee either way it goes, there will be a LARGE response.

  10. Well said alright. I love my country but cannot take anymore of this so-called government.

    Still watching this situation unfold from out of state.

    Hopefully the world is watching. Justice for Kelly Thomas AND Scott Olsen (Oakland, CA).

    Justice for all victims of police violence throughout the world.

  11. The climate is political propaganda on the part of the Bushala camp based on half truths. The motivation is money and the conquest of power. Puppets you are being played, watch your strings!!

    1. Go back to your slimy cave, apologist. Your free reign at the controls is over. You overplayed your hand, as usual, now the pendulum swings back to accountability. Mubarak, Qadaffi, bin Laden, Saddam Hussein learned their lesson the hard way, I suggest you wise up or your ilk may learn its lesson the same way.

      1. Jt you are an idiot! You ask for other pro police to explain themselves and demand proof but yet you don’t do the same for the idiots writing articles and supporting this blog! So the police dragged kelly into the street hogged tied for all to see! Really??? What’s truthful about that JT you moron!

        1. On the city bus video the witnesses described seeing exactly that, asshole!

          Citizens of Fullerton are Makin’ Bacon! Yeeeeee-hawwww!

        2. ah bitch, what do you fools call a bludgeoned unconscious handcuffed body in a pool of blood? A good day at work? well that’s why Americans are PISSED OFF fgt.

  12. Go to CounterPunch’s web site. Looks like a General Assembly was held after the police riot. They voted to strike on November 2nd.
    Take a look at this article; would a general strike be effective in Fullerton if the FPD/city managers are not held accountable?

    Just a thought.

  13. FYI- I was referring to the police riot in Oakland, CA. This area is where the strike is supposed to take place Nov. 2nd.

    1. Although not a SoCal story, this is a perfect example of the reckless and dangerous attitude many cops have. Citizens in public need to be carrying a camera capable of recording the actions of police they may encounter.

      It’s unlikely a police report will accurately reflect their actions if they cross the line and begin engaging in criminal activity.

      STAND UP FOR THE RULE OF LAW – RECORD EVERYTHING

  14. we agree with most all of the posts on this blog.. now i am asking for all people on here and who read this blog to please come out every sat… to join us in protests at f.p.d.. we need all the support we can get. hope to see everyone next sat 9_12. thanks all………………….

  15. “The Kelly Thomas killing was incredibly brazen. An American citizen was brutally tortured and beaten to death publicly in front of scores of witnesses. His unconscious, hogtied body was dragged out to the middle of the street for public viewing”

    Give me a break. You talk like they intentionally killed him. Whether or not you let yourselves believe it NOBODY intentionally killed him. His death while tragic was accidental. Stop acting like FPD is Al Qeada. If you want to be outraged about a man dying than go ahead, but don’t act like there was some big conspiracy to kill him. I thought MOST of you were smarter than that.

    1. Really? They beat him so bad that even if he survived he would have lost sight in his left eye (coincidence?). Don’t be stupid.
      P.S. You do not detain/arrest someone by smashing their head in. Put the crack pipe down and pay attention.

      1. Can you name an instance where someone ran from the Police, fought and it turned out good for either side?

        So your saying they meant to kill him before they showed up to the call? You think they care if he went to jail or not? Were they trying to get the toaster for the most arrests for the month? What most people don’t understand is that you control how the contact goes when you are contacted by Police. If you fight, they fight back. If tou have an attittude you get one back.

        I feel sorry for you if you really think they meant to kill him.

        1. I doubt they drove to the bus station to purposely kill someone, but with the general climate we now know that is FPD, I wouldnt put it past them that they were looking for a nice fight.
          One thing is for certain, NONE of the FPD 6 cared if Kelly lived or died. That is well documented.

          1. I wouldn’t be top sure of that. Ramos unnecessarily instigated a confrontation and Cicinelli did a hell of a job imitating a hit man.

            Snow Hume may be right.

    2. They continued beating Kelly Thomas, even AFTER he was unconscious. There was no intent to kill?? There was also a large pool of blood from the beating administered to his face and head. Tell me, please, WHAT WAS the intent???

    3. It was not a case of the police officers intentionally killing him at all. No, when Kelly Thomas was beaten to death not one of the officers cared on way or the other about whether that poor man lived or died. It was something that these officers did to relieve the boredom of their shift. It would have been an accident if this man had lived. None of those officers fear the public. We are going to change that. We are going to make these police officers respect the public that placed trust in them. These officers will pay for what they have done.

  16. Awesome post. I continue to be amazed by the lack of attempt of anyone in Fullerton to take any responsibility for the Kelly Thomas murder. Chief Sellers views the whole thing on tape and keeps the officers on duty. The Watch Commander does nothing to report the beating that would turn into a murder? The three stooges make ridiculous comments about the superficiality of the injuries. The city’s lawyers try to bribe Ron Thomas, implicating guilt of the officers, yet still no charges are filed for several months. These people all need to be fired and or prosecuted for their complicity in the murder.

  17. Hey #36 REALLY? First off, WE ARE smarter than you!!! You`d have to be DUMB AS A BLANKING ROCK, which obviously YOU are, to believe as YOU do!!!!! What more could you want for Christ sake??!! Did you by any chance HEAR what the D.A. said, that Ramos SAID to Kelly before he beat him to a pulp??? And never mind the big fat assholes sitting on him until he could`nt even BREATHE, AND NEVER MIND, THAT THEY TASERED HIM so many times, and never mind that they kept smashing his head into the curb, and they are fully aware that if you taser someone in the heart, they will very probably die. Kelly was not even armed, for God sake, and I would say can you imagine what the hell they would do to him, IF he WERE armed, but one can`t even say THAT, you know WHY…. STUPID??? Because they could`nt have done him ANYMORE harm, if he were!!!!!! ”An ACCIDENT””, sure only someone who IS as dumb as a rock, like totally ”BRAINLESS”…..as in YOU, Mr. REALLY!! And a conspiracy??? At least one or two of them absolutely planned on taking him..”OUT” that night, that`s obvious!!! The other ”4”, are just as guilty too, how about as in” accessories” to murder??? Ya think all this might be so, if it were one of us common citizens??? I`m sure not, if you are too stupid to see this whole thing for WHAT IT IS, & IT IS PLAIN & SIMPLE, AND A HORRIBLE GROSS TERRIBLE MURDER. aLL THOSE BIG HEARTLESS DEVILS, and you think they could`nt just get him cuffed and taken away, no…. I`m sure that YOU, in your sick, brainless head don`t think so. Oh, and let me not forget ”hogtie him too!!! Kelly DID NOT deserve what those heartless , rotten , poor -excuses for a human being did to him!!!!! And they WILL pay… one day, if not HERE, in our judicial system ( and probably NOT, cuz they`re ”cops”…SICK) THEY WILL someday somewhere else, and what a wonderful day THAT will be!!!! Kelly went throuh hell, here on earth, thanks to our wonderful police, who are here to ” PROTECT & SERVE” ( WHAT A BLANKING JOKE, THAT IS!!! But as soon as he got tru that hell, he went to a much greater place, and out of this God- Forsaken slimy town called Fullerton!!!! AND he is at peace NOW. i`m PRETTY sure, that if you just picture YOUR SON, having gone thru the hell those rotten assholes put Kelly thru, AND his last words calling out for his father, & saying he was sorry, ( which meant absolutely NOTHING to our wonderful cops), that YOU just MIGHT think differently, and if NOT, then I think you are the one who was the ACCIDENT, at the VERY least, born with NO BRAIN, AND NO HEART…. just like our wonderful P.D., and MOST of their ”higher- ups”. And may God Bless any good cops that are left, in Fullerton & Everywhere!!! You now , ”REALLY” go put your (brainless head on your pillow tonight) and just try hard to picture YOUR son, or loved one, going thru what Kelly did, and for NOTHING!!! iT CAN`T GET ANY SICKER, EXCEPT FOR WHAT THEY DID TO JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!

  18. Al-Qaeda members are pretty comparable to these cops actually. Both groups abuse, torture and murder citizens. Both feel they are above the law. Both join organized gangs that seek uneducated, easily brainwashed young men. Both have psychologically unstable members. Both have careless disregard for human rights. Both will remove all obstacles in their way. With the exception of Al-Qaeda members maybe being a little smarter and more willing to sacrifice their own lives for their goals, I think the two groups are very similar.

  19. Very passionate post Bob. FPD defenders seem to have no empathy for the horrific circumstances of Kelly’s murder. I can not believe how many cop apologists truly believe the officers may have been justified in their actions. They think the actions are excusable if the police say so. They do not seem to comprehend the fact our government is capable of looking the other way in the face of brutality to protect their own image. You are right about these men having to answer for their crimes even if it is not by our justice system. Even if they get off without any prison time, which we know the four accomplices will, they will have to live with the fact they beat, asphyxiated, and tasered an unarmed man to death. I wonder what their wives, children, and parents think about their sadistic behavior. I guess the cycle of brainwashing gets passed down from generation to generation.

  20. Maybe Bernie Madoff was onto something when he stated that ” I feel safer in prison than I do on the streets of New York”
    In prison he is consider a HIVAL inmate that requires special attention and is not an escapee risk.

  21. Storm harbor thank you for such wisdom. Stay on this with us and keep us in your prayers. We are on the right side of things. This issue is so fundamental to all Americans.

  22. Bob, relax before you have a heart attack! First of all as most of you should know by now you don’t believe everything DA T Rack says. The quote he attributed to Ramos was not complete. The complete quote changes the meaning of what he said. T Rack didn’t use the whole thing because it didn’t work with the whole dog and pony show he put on. Remember when T Rack was asked who the lead DA was? His response was there wasn’t one yet and he might do it himself. Even Bob is smart enough to know that is not going to happen. Noqt going to look good when he loses.

    The only thing missing from that press conference was tears, but we got them a couple of weeks ago with the Seal Beach shooting theater he called a press conference. Just say what you have to say and leave the drama for the courtroom. I forgot he’s a politician. Back to the issue at hand.

    Bob said they smashed his head into the curb. Where did you hear that? You just made that up. Bob said “if you taser someone in the heart, they will very probably die”. Again Bob, you just made that up too.

    Sorry Bob i couldn’t read your whole story because it just didn’t make sense. Did you really compare this to what happened to Jesus Christ? Wow. Pack up your bedroll and move to Buena Park.

    Brandon, you just hate cops period. What city were you bussed in from?

  23. Really? :
    Give me a break. You talk like they intentionally killed him. Whether or not you let yourselves believe it NOBODY intentionally killed him. His death while tragic was accidental. Stop acting like FPD is Al Qeada.

    FPD is EXACTLY acting like “Al Qeada” (sic). Murder, rape, robbery, and intimidation is how “Al Qeada” controls the Afghani citizens.

    MURDER, RAPE, ROBBERY, AND INTIMIDATION IS HOW F P D CONTROLS THE FULLERTON CITIZENS.

  24. These is an angry wave passing through the country right now. It can be seen growing in large cities. Soon that wave will reach the small cities and towns. One day a spark will ignite this country and the cries of the oppressed will rise to a scream. Public officials will be dragged from their offices and pushed into the streets. Right now the government goes on as though nothing is happening. But something is gathering..growing stronger every day. It is not just the young. Everyone is sensing the need to rise up and throw off the chains that this government has created. We are losing the last of our freedoms, we are losing our jobs and our homes. One day…and one day soon, friends and neighbors will walk out of their house and join together with all the other Americans and it will be the end for these tyrants. Representatives of the people beware! Do your jobs and help your fellow Americans win back this country or you will be the ones living in the streets and parks of America! Make sure that what you, as our representative, do and what you say is consistent with the Constitution of this country. Our laws have become so corrupted that many of them are unconstitutional. We, the people, are going to hold you all collectively and individually for what you have done. Can’t you already sense the death knells of this totally botched up mess that you’ve created?

    1. as long as we have freedom of speech and the right to assemble , we, the good people of fullerton et al, will not have to experience a revolution because all we need is a rebellion to deflate big government. My deepest gratitude for Tony Bushala, Travis Kriger and Chris Thompson’s continued courage to continue FFFF blog that diligently uncovers and roots out corruption in our government.

    2. The police riot in Oakland just might be the catalyst.

      BTW whatever happened to the killers known as Ramos and Cicinelli? Last I heard they were both out on bail. They can’t possibly be back on the job with FPD?!

      1. Christobal, and then what?

        Do you have a plan to make sure the trash is picked up, the sewers flow, the water is piped in, and the lights stay on?

        1. Steve, obviously this is an antithetical thought for you, but why don’t you pick up your own trash and dispose of it, why don’t you work at clearing out the sewers? I wouldn’t expect you to ensure water flows through pipes or electricity to homes because that would require a skill set from you.
          why don’t you stick with what you know best; misspelling big words you found in the dictionary.

        2. Steve, Americans can handle all of that. we already do it. Or used to, we would love to have some of our jobs back.

    3. Actually, I like this. I believe what Cristobal is saying is that police brutality is connected to larger issues of political corruption, which are themselves connected to economic conditions. All of these things together are producing rage among average Americans that could lead to revolutionary conditions in which law enforcement and government will be threatened. But if elected officials and our other government employees, including law enforcement, actually work hard for the rights of the people, as stated in the Constitution, there is still some hope.

      I don’t see anything in any way objectionable about any of that.

      Good comment CG.

  25. Cristóbal García :These is an angry wave passing through the country right now. It can be seen growing in large cities. Soon that wave will reach the small cities and towns. One day a spark will ignite this country and the cries of the oppressed will rise to a scream. Public officials will be dragged from their offices and pushed into the streets. Right now the government goes on as though nothing is happening. But something is gathering..growing stronger every day. It is not just the young. Everyone is sensing the need to rise up and throw off the chains that this government has created. We are losing the last of our freedoms, we are losing our jobs and our homes. One day…and one day soon, friends and neighbors will walk out of their house and join together with all the other Americans and it will be the end for these tyrants. Representatives of the people beware! Do your jobs and help your fellow Americans win back this country or you will be the ones living in the streets and parks of America! Make sure that what you, as our representative, do and what you say is consistent with the Constitution of this country. Our laws have become so corrupted that many of them are unconstitutional. We, the people, are going to hold you all collectively and individually for what you have done. Can’t you already sense the death knells of this totally botched up mess that you’ve created?

    This is America dummy, not afghanistan. Gee take a chill pill.

    1. With marginally functioning heroes like Sarah Palin running around, and brutal thugs in the police departments all over the country, the U.S. is becoming more like Afghanistan every day.

      And for your information “America” is a continent, not a country. Heard of North America, and South America? Hmmm?

      If you’re referring to the country we live in it’s called the United States, not America.

      Must be another one of those University of Phoenix rejects again.

      1. HEY CACKLE! I WANT TO TAKE EXCEPTION TO YOUR CRACK ABOUT UOP. I DID MY UNDERGRAD AND GRAD SCHOOL THERE, IT’S A GREAT SCHOOL, IN WHICH YOU DON’T SPEND 16 WEEKS LEARNING ABOUT ONE TOPIC AT A TIME. IT’S AN ACCREDITED SCHOOL, AND UNITS ARE TRANSFERRABLE! I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOUR ISSUE IS WITH THE SCHOOL. BUT, I HAVE SEEN SOME PRETTY ROTTEN STUDENTS GRADUATING FROM SCHOOLS LIKE SC AND OTHER STATE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.

        1. I said they’re rejects from UOP, kimber.

          My experience with online schools is that they are more interested in tuition than education. Reading the complaint blogs about different schools paints a similar picture regardless of which school is mentioned.

          UOP is one of the schools that is being investigated for student loan fraud. I hope you got what you paid for.

    2. Cristobal “Representatives of the people beware! Do your jobs and help your fellow Americans win back this country or you will be the ones living in the streets and parks of America!”
      anonymous, its not afghanistan if people have the right to vote out corrupt government officials with the natural consequence being these same politicians becoming homeless because they may no longer feed at the public trough. I know this is an odd concept in our time, but civil servants like police officers are supposed to protect and serve the public not arbitrarily decide who must live or die

  26. Sadly, I don’t hold out much hope for America as folks won’t even reject the tsa groping genitalia or nuking travelers in the “chertoff easy bake oven”, and the excuse I’ve heard…”I didn’t want to hold up the line. Really?

    So, if people readily submit to groping, allowing cops to search their vehicles at check points for ANY made up reasons outside “probable cause” and “reasonable suspicion”, what makes anyone (including Cristobal) believe the same Americans would be willing to pick up a weapon and kill a group of cops loading family and friends, neighbors etc. onto cattle cars (MTV commercial depicting Rex 84) heading for “retraining camps?”

    In Fullerton, we are standing down regardless of the Mickey Mouse charges filed against just 2 killers in the Thomas murder, the other 4 have already been granted at gd pass…their supervisors likewise?

    I still haven’t found the addresses posted anywhere for the 6 cops involved. Wouldn’t such be good to know, in case one or more of us one day grows a pair and decides to become like Charles Bronson in “Death Wish?” (any architects in Fullerton?)

    The folks that told Congress to direct trillions to 100’s of foreign banks and to the accounts of criminals like Blankfein and Jamie Diamond will NEVER relinquish their strangle hold on the checkbook, the printing press, the military industrial complex, new kid on the block DHS, or IRS, NSA, DOJ, and tsa.

    To create a representative republic will require armed men guarding protestors, numbers growing exponentially… wealthy men eventually being yanked out of their palaces and boardrooms.

    Again, how is that to happen when most Americans are even so docile to disallow a goof in a blue clown uniform to explore travelers’ genitalia (NOT JUNK, dammit, G E N I T A L I A)?

    The truth is folks, that “killing” is so incredibly boring an activity, that frankly, I’m surprised the Fullerton 6 get off on “it.” (yes, I was a contractor in LIberia) There must be other psychological issues at play with these birds. All citizens, especially the meek living in Fullerton, in Southern California for that matter should be concerned. Not afraid, concerned.

    Please post the addresses of all the players, Friends of Fullerton.

    To prepare for the future, go to the German deli and purchase some gb for Tar Tar. A little egg, salt , pepper, onion and enjoy. Vegans…you will have to get used to raw meat or when it comes time to dismember bodies, you will become uncomfortable.

    Thrill Killers like Cicinelli & Ramos, (of course I’m assuming based on my life experience and studies) are not like most of us, as they enjoy doing things to cause others to feel terror.

    When most of us see a homeless man, are we on occasion annoyed, yet, do we attempt to empathize? How many of us see a homeless man and see fit to provoke him and then leisurely and methodically beat, taser, strangle, knee…T O R T U R E the man…(ok, you can put your hands down…you too, Really)

    How many of us can envision becoming so enthralled with the administration of pain and suffering that even when the man stops moving, breathing…even when the blood has pooled and formed a red halo about the motionless body, how many of us can envision continuing to land heavy blows? Blow after blow after blow after blow after blow. Hell, why stop? FEELING GREAT!! FEEL LIKE HERCULES, beating this, a, errr… frail, meek, harmless, troubled little homeless man. Yeah, THAT’S IT! doing society a good service by ridding the community of the dirty homeless rat bastard. Forget to mention the sob was mouthy? He even said “bring it!” SURE SHOWED HIM, EH. hahahahahaha

    Good night all.

  27. WONDER WHY RON THOMAS DOESN’T FEEL LIKE CHARLIE BRONSON IN THAT FLICK? GUESS HIS REVENGE/JUSTICE WILL COME IN ANOTHER FORM.

    THE HOSE NOZZLE CASE IN LONG BEACH IS ANOTHER SAD STORY. YOU GUYS SHOULD MEET THE POLICE VICTIM’S DAD…..

  28. Hey” really”, I can see why you did`nt finish reading my post( funny tho, …you got to the end, re: Jesus , hmmm) & I can definitely see why it did`nt make any sense- to YOU!! Anyone who could possibly think Kelly Thomas` ”MURDER” , was only ”an accident, ” nothing else COULD make any sense TO YOU!! It sure seems it made sense to everyone else, like Brandon, And anonymous, for just two. As for me ”making those two things up”… I`ve made NOTHING up, it all speaks for itself, UNLESS you`re ”dumb as a rock”, or maybe one of those ”rotten cops”, or related to one, & just refuse to admit THE TRUTH, of the entire matter. As far as them bashing his head into the curb, did you hear ANY of the many people who actually WITNESSED theMURDER??? Did you see and hear the video of the witnesses on the bus, right where the MURDER took place? did you see the dried up ring, where the pool of Kelly`s blood stayed for so long after?? Did you EVEN SEE THE PICTURE of Kelly??? Oh yes, THAT HAD to be an ”accident”. How literally stupid can one be??!! Come on!!! Now as far as the taser to the HEART, AMONG MANY OTHER PLACES, I did NOT make that up either. You obviously have not bothered to follow this whole horrific ”accident” very closely, before giving your ridiculous view!!! If you had you wuold have seen the video of Ron Thomas`s atty. ( That`s short for attorney, did you know???) With Ron Thomas, at a news conference, when they showed the diagrams on the easel ( FROM the pic`s that the physcician gave them) of all the areas where the rotten cops had tasered him, and the atty. absolutely pointed out the one intentionally placed to Kelly`s HEART!!! AND said that that one alone could, OR would kill him!!! The manufacturers of those tasers warn not to be placed on the heart., and these cops KNOW that!!! But yet I`m sure that they did that ”accidentally” too , huh??? As for ”comparing” Kelly`s horrific torture to Jesus Christ`s, no, they do not ”’compare” and that is NOT what I said… YOU DID, but ”TORTURE” is ” TORTURE”, AND WHAT I said was that there`s not much that is ”MORE SICK” EXCEPT…….. WHAT WAS DONE TO jesus Christ. You probably won`t respond to THIS blog, and I don`t give a —-, if you do or not, it really makes no difference, we all ARE entitled to our opinions, but it IS obvious that you are either a heartless, cold human being, or like I said…. ”dumb as a rock”!!!! Look once more ( IF you have at all) at Kelly`s ” AFTER” picture, and tell me again how it was ”AN ACCIDENT”, no one with half a brain could see that, AND know all of the circumstances( which YOU obviously DON`T ) since YOU claim I…just make things up! I`ve made NOTHING up!!! HOG-TYING, tasering-many times, beaten to a pulp, sat – on with 3 times his weight ( at least), head bashed against a curb, all to a young 135lb. man, with mental problems, doing NOTHING but sitting on a bench, minding his own business. AND, even IF he was peeping into, or even Breaking into cars, which was a call from ”the slide-bar”, that could`nt have possibly been ”planned”, huh??? AND he was`nt even armed. So IF you should happen to ”Blog- back”, would you please answer ONE question for me ??? Do you think that those rotten cops, (even the first two OR THREE,) COULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN kELLY CUFFED & TAKEN AWAY, INSTEAD OF HAVING THEMSELVES a FIELD-DAY, ”murdering” him ????????

  29. bob :Hey” really”, I can see why you did`nt finish reading my post( funny tho, …you got to the end, re: Jesus , hmmm) & I can definitely see why it did`nt make any sense- to YOU!! Anyone who could possibly think Kelly Thomas` ”MURDER” , was only ”an accident, ” nothing else COULD make any sense TO YOU!! It sure seems it made sense to everyone else, like Brandon, And anonymous, for just two. As for me ”making those two things up”… I`ve made NOTHING up, it all speaks for itself, UNLESS you`re ”dumb as a rock”, or maybe one of those ”rotten cops”, or related to one, & just refuse to admit THE TRUTH, of the entire matter. As far as them bashing his head into the curb, did you hear ANY of the many people who actually WITNESSED theMURDER??? Did you see and hear the video of the witnesses on the bus, right where the MURDER took place? did you see the dried up ring, where the pool of Kelly`s blood stayed for so long after?? Did you EVEN SEE THE PICTURE of Kelly??? Oh yes, THAT HAD to be an ”accident”. How literally stupid can one be??!! Come on!!! Now as far as the taser to the HEART, AMONG MANY OTHER PLACES, I did NOT make that up either. You obviously have not bothered to follow this whole horrific ”accident” very closely, before giving your ridiculous view!!! If you had you wuold have seen the video of Ron Thomas`s atty. ( That`s short for attorney, did you know???) With Ron Thomas, at a news conference, when they showed the diagrams on the easel ( FROM the pic`s that the physcician gave them) of all the areas where the rotten cops had tasered him, and the atty. absolutely pointed out the one intentionally placed to Kelly`s HEART!!! AND said that that one alone could, OR would kill him!!! The manufacturers of those tasers warn not to be placed on the heart., and these cops KNOW that!!! But yet I`m sure that they did that ”accidentally” too , huh??? As for ”comparing” Kelly`s horrific torture to Jesus Christ`s, no, they do not ”’compare” and that is NOT what I said… YOU DID, but ”TORTURE” is ” TORTURE”, AND WHAT I said was that there`s not much that is ”MORE SICK” EXCEPT…….. WHAT WAS DONE TO jesus Christ. You probably won`t respond to THIS blog, and I don`t give a —-, if you do or not, it really makes no difference, we all ARE entitled to our opinions, but it IS obvious that you are either a heartless, cold human being, or like I said…. ”dumb as a rock”!!!! Look once more ( IF you have at all) at Kelly`s ” AFTER” picture, and tell me again how it was ”AN ACCIDENT”, no one with half a brain could see that, AND know all of the circumstances( which YOU obviously DON`T ) since YOU claim I…just make things up! I`ve made NOTHING up!!! HOG-TYING, tasering-many times, beaten to a pulp, sat – on with 3 times his weight ( at least), head bashed against a curb, all to a young 135lb. man, with mental problems, doing NOTHING but sitting on a bench, minding his own business. AND, even IF he was peeping into, or even Breaking into cars, which was a call from ”the slide-bar”, that could`nt have possibly been ”planned”, huh??? AND he was`nt even armed. So IF you should happen to ”Blog- back”, would you please answer ONE question for me ??? Do you think that those rotten cops, (even the first two OR THREE,) COULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN kELLY CUFFED & TAKEN AWAY, INSTEAD OF HAVING THEMSELVES a FIELD-DAY, ”murdering” him ????????

    She/he responded two days ago..just shut up already.

  30. Anonymous :

    bob :Hey” really”, I can see why you did`nt finish reading my post( funny tho, …you got to the end, re: Jesus , hmmm) & I can definitely see why it did`nt make any sense- to YOU!! Anyone who could possibly think Kelly Thomas` ”MURDER” , was only ”an accident, ” nothing else COULD make any sense TO YOU!! It sure seems it made sense to everyone else, like Brandon, And anonymous, for just two. As for me ”making those two things up”… I`ve made NOTHING up, it all speaks for itself, UNLESS you`re ”dumb as a rock”, or maybe one of those ”rotten cops”, or related to one, & just refuse to admit THE TRUTH, of the entire matter. As far as them bashing his head into the curb, did you hear ANY of the many people who actually WITNESSED theMURDER??? Did you see and hear the video of the witnesses on the bus, right where the MURDER took place? did you see the dried up ring, where the pool of Kelly`s blood stayed for so long after?? Did you EVEN SEE THE PICTURE of Kelly??? Oh yes, THAT HAD to be an ”accident”. How literally stupid can one be??!! Come on!!! Now as far as the taser to the HEART, AMONG MANY OTHER PLACES, I did NOT make that up either. You obviously have not bothered to follow this whole horrific ”accident” very closely, before giving your ridiculous view!!! If you had you wuold have seen the video of Ron Thomas`s atty. ( That`s short for attorney, did you know???) With Ron Thomas, at a news conference, when they showed the diagrams on the easel ( FROM the pic`s that the physcician gave them) of all the areas where the rotten cops had tasered him, and the atty. absolutely pointed out the one intentionally placed to Kelly`s HEART!!! AND said that that one alone could, OR would kill him!!! The manufacturers of those tasers warn not to be placed on the heart., and these cops KNOW that!!! But yet I`m sure that they did that ”accidentally” too , huh??? As for ”comparing” Kelly`s horrific torture to Jesus Christ`s, no, they do not ”’compare” and that is NOT what I said… YOU DID, but ”TORTURE” is ” TORTURE”, AND WHAT I said was that there`s not much that is ”MORE SICK” EXCEPT…….. WHAT WAS DONE TO jesus Christ. You probably won`t respond to THIS blog, and I don`t give a —-, if you do or not, it really makes no difference, we all ARE entitled to our opinions, but it IS obvious that you are either a heartless, cold human being, or like I said…. ”dumb as a rock”!!!! Look once more ( IF you have at all) at Kelly`s ” AFTER” picture, and tell me again how it was ”AN ACCIDENT”, no one with half a brain could see that, AND know all of the circumstances( which YOU obviously DON`T ) since YOU claim I…just make things up! I`ve made NOTHING up!!! HOG-TYING, tasering-many times, beaten to a pulp, sat – on with 3 times his weight ( at least), head bashed against a curb, all to a young 135lb. man, with mental problems, doing NOTHING but sitting on a bench, minding his own business. AND, even IF he was peeping into, or even Breaking into cars, which was a call from ”the slide-bar”, that could`nt have possibly been ”planned”, huh??? AND he was`nt even armed. So IF you should happen to ”Blog- back”, would you please answer ONE question for me ??? Do you think that those rotten cops, (even the first two OR THREE,) COULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN kELLY CUFFED & TAKEN AWAY, INSTEAD OF HAVING THEMSELVES a FIELD-DAY, ”murdering” him ????????

    She/he responded two days ago..just shut up already.

    Yeah just shut up already..you have no facts in what you are saying.

  31. I can assume that YOU DO have the facts tho??? Why not identify yourself, and GIVE US ” THE FACTS”???? , but I WILL shut up now , no use discussing this any longer, with people like you!!! DONE!!

  32. I am writing this late….but it is late….to preserve America. All over the country the police are operating as a Gestapo, pepper spraying peaceful protesters, beating unarmed people. Let’s fight back! Every single red bloodied American knows what this means. Are you prepared to help out or will you leave the saving of this country to someone else?
    In the end you will be forced to help out because eventually they will come for you and your family. Stand up and stand together with your friends and neighbors! Let’s tell our sons and daughters in the military that they must not fire upon their families and friends. Let’s tell our sons and daughters who are police officers to stand with us to end this terrible time for our country. Do it while there is still time.

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