Kelly Thomas Beating on CNN; Goodrich Flakes, Schroeder Struggles

This was broadcast on CNN about an hour ago. Goodrich backed out of an interview with CNN at the last minute. Susan Kang Schroeder nearly broke out into tears as she was describing the contents of the video that our city council refuses to release.
Watch the video on CNN.com




Update: Here is an extended interview with DA spokesperson Susan Kang Schroeder.

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270 thoughts on “Kelly Thomas Beating on CNN; Goodrich Flakes, Schroeder Struggles

    1. The first time I stole so that I wouldn’t starve, yes. I lost many assumptions about the simple nature of right and wrong. And when I traveled, I learned the fear before a crime and the thrill of success. But I never became one of them.

    2. does police officers still kill people in maerica and walk away scott free – i thought that ended when Hoover left office – shame on fullerton – puts these “police officers” in jail where they belong = a simple irish person astounded by the brutality visited upon a poor homeless person

    1. Four days later, 8/6, in today’s LA Times, they did an article on
      Fullerton’s failure to train it’s cops!

      More eye popping was a statement that Kelly was sitting on a bus bench when cops approached him. He wasn’t even near any cars when cops got there in Code 5 mode. No probable cause! They had no right to detain or arrest him.

  1. “FPD backed out”. At least they are consistent. What is Sellers afraid of? And where is the DA? Why did he send his chief of staff to speak for him? Can’t any public official show his face and take some responsibility around here?

    1. that’s a great point, rat’s ass. You’re on F’n national news and you don’t put your chief of police out there. WTF??????

    2. Bet there isn’t a recording from 911 or anything else. Why would you call 911 on an auto burg? Low priority call.

  2. Why is there not more of a question of the personal relationship between T-Rack and Sellers? Where’s the 911 call? Was there any cars broken into? How long does it take for an autopsy? And for toxicology? Oh Sellers it was soooo tragic that you allowed the officers to walk free, tried to pay off Mr. Thomas, no public comments to the community, lied about bruises not broken bones…nothing. Not from you or city council. Pathetic.

    1. I agree with everything you’re saying, but I don’t think it’s relevant whether or not he was actually breaking into cars. That’s not the issue here.

      I don’t care if he was caught in the act of raping puppies; the police aren’t supposed to summarily execute suspects.

      1. It matters because the conspiracy theory is that there were no break-ins that night and that the whole story was concocted as an excuse to beat Kelly Thomas so bad he would leave Fullerton and never come back.

        1. That’s pretty speculative. Who was behind this elaborate conspiracy? Probably the Masons.

          If anyone has been making life so difficult for the FPD that they’d actually concoct a plot to stage a murder, it would be Tony and Travis!

          Nobody has come forward to say that Kelly had been a real problem in the area. If the police/Masons/Illuminati/Trilateral Commission, etc. really wanted to get rid of him, they’d pick him up on a 5150 hold and claim that he was a danger to himself. That’s quick and easy and doesn’t attract the attention of the FBI.

          1. There’s talk that some business owners had been complaining that Thomas was a nuisance.

            In particular, the owner of Slidebar even stated in an interview on Fullertonstories that Thomas annoyed his customers.

            A couple of my friends had to live out of their cars for awhile when they lost their jobs and became homeless. They talked about how the cops in many different cities mistreated them. It was as if when you become homeless you lose most of your rights as well.

      2. “I don’t care if he was caught in the act of raping puppies; the police aren’t supposed to summarily execute suspects.”

        Gonzo, that almost eloquent enough to become a tattoo.

      3. Gonzo, if you really are the atty you claim to be, the call re: someone casing cars in a parking lot is relevant because it has to do with development of the case against the officers. Establishing the probable cause which gave officers the right to detain/arrest Kelly is what is in question. This case requires outside of the box thinking.

    2. I don’t know about an autopsy, but it can take a couple months for a complete toxicology report. I had a friend who killed herself last year and the police investigation for a good three months because they were waiting for toxicology report. why they take so long, i don’t know’

        1. Why? Bloody hands would suggest they beat the hell out of Kelly more than the photo of Kelly’s face? This is the department that had the cops review the tape so the report would match the facts. If there was blood on the cops hands they wpould be instructed to wash up before photos were taken any way.

          1. The PIO said cops sustained soft tissue injuries. This should have been photographed. I have a forensics background. Everything gets photoed…even bruised hands!

      1. Unfortunately, autopsies and tox reports can be completed as fast as they want them to be done. Look at celebrity deaths for an example.

  3. I’m glad to see this is getting some national attention. Maybe the flashlight these news agencies shine on this will be bright enough to flush out some of the rats.

  4. cowards, just give an interview already & give us your side of this tragic incident. the city of fullerton deserves to know & more importantly the family off kelly thomas.
    autopsy & a toxicology report to determine cause of death?
    that’s unecessary, i think we all know the cause of death.

    stop stauling the case & serve justice already.
    hope those 6 officers get convicted for murder!!

  5. Stick to the facts. Someone called, can be proven, saying that someone was breaking into cars. The drifter probably was a actually trying to get into cars. Cops roll up and the drifter suspect runs. Cops chase him and catch him. Drifter resists and fights refusing to give up. Fight ensues. Cops kick his ass. They went overboard during the fight and kicked his ass more than allowed when using reasonable force. Justice will prevail if that is what happened. I’m sure the other video will be released and if it shows they beat his ass more than necessary to take him into custody, then then will pay. If the officers got broken bones and bruises and the suspect fought til his death, then the cops will get off. Stick to the facts and stop thinking it’s a huge conspiracy. Yes someone called. Yes the suspect was trying to get into cars. Audio and video will show that. After that will probably be up to a jury.

    1. yes, an officer was called to the scene however, it didn’t take 6 officers to restrain the man. two would have been plenty. plus they didn’t have to resort to beating the man. pepper spray or rubber bullets would have done the trick but they went over board. they had no right to beat the poor sensless man the way they did.

    2. Dude…you’re weeks behind on this story. Go blog on the OC Register. They love made up theories to cover up what is now obvious to anyone that has taken the time to listen to the witnesses and watch the cops stumble and bumble their way through a cover up.

    3. #15 by PBO absolutely false you dumb ass you certainly do a lot of assuming and you know what that means sorry FPD way to many eye witness that seen the very first start of this murder if the video that the dispatcher recorded would put the cops in a good light you can bet your brass badge it would have been exposed on national TV and every other media out let.These bottom feeders were caught and now holding back on this video proves there guilt.the good thing if there is one is all the corruption that has been going on in the FPD is now public knowledge all the double dipping on the tax payers back FPD cops raping women in the squad cars hand cuffed and that is what we know there are no good cops in FPD they all have the same stench of pig mire not one of the Tuff guys at FPD had the balls to give up the names of all the psychotic cops who murdered this poor soul they are all guilty by silence and association and to think officer J.C was a marine he must of had a Viet-Nam flash back and thought Kelly was a combatant enemy.say might be a good defense plea

    4. If a small guy like that can bruise and break bones of Six cops then your county needs to go back and retrain all their officiers, this is a murder, simple as that

      1. The criminal cops caused their own injuries by beating on poor Kelly! Think about it, you get pissed, put your fist through a cinderblock wall, what is your hand going to look like?

  6. We will see once we watch the video. You would be surprised how many cops it takes to restrain a violent, combative subject. Especially someone on PCP or drugs. Give it time. We will see the video and that will determine how this case progresses.

    1. You are so full of shit.

      I witnessed Toronto police arrest a man completely cracked out who attempted to rob a store. He resisted. They got him into the car. He kicked out the car’s window. Did I mention he was not wearing shoes? He attempted to bite an officer. He spat on another officer.

      Do you know how many officers were there? Four. Did it get physical? Yes. Did they threaten to taze him? Yes. Do you know how many times they tazed him before they finally got him squared away? ZERO.

      Kelly did not fight even a quarter as hard as that man.

      Stop defending poorly trained, violent cops.

    2. Not another PCP story. PCP does not give you super human strength. It may increase your resistance to pain because it’s a type of anesthesia, but it’s not going to turn you into the Terminiator. LOL!

    3. I’m 45, had some martial arts experience and I bet I can take you down and hold you in 5 sec. No big deal if that’s what you want to do. If you want to punish, then that’s something more like what happened.

  7. ASTONISHING. I only hope the cancellation was because the Chief called in his command staff to let them know he’ll be submitting his resignation. Kang Schroeder’s demeanor and reaction to what’s on the video, which she’s viewed, speaks volumes.

    1. Yes! I’d like to hear what one of those “body language” experts would have to say about that one. I’m not, but the way she lost her composure and stumbled over her words once asked about what was on the video is very telling.

      1. SKS reptile tears, but if the best you’re going to get out of The Rat and his cronies is fake outrage then I’ll take it.

    2. She _almost_ said, “breaks your heart.”

      You’re right, despite what was NOT said, it was an illuminating interview, was it not?

      Sellers may end up regretting pulling his pooches leash after all.

    3. If this slimebag, fatass, outta shape chief won’t quit, the city council needs to fire him for incompetence!

  8. It IS important if there was a phone call about burglaries or not. We know now that the police report was edited several times. Could it be there was no phone call? We also know no one filed a police report about there car being burglarized in the area. Was this what was added when the police report was edited? That kind of information the police department can release at any time as it has no relevance to a potential case against the officers involved.

  9. …sounds like she’s in under another T-Rack trance until she describe’s to the reporter what she saw on the video at the end when she actually looked human and not alot like a “T-bot” that the D.A. usually trots out to do his dirty work. T-Rack should be next on the list if Orange County residents ever wake up to how he has screwed them time and time again with his old buddy and #1 political contributor and owner of Arnel Management Mr. George Argyros who keeps Tony Rack in office and Tony keeps George out of prison for fleecing the residents of Arnel Management properties of Orange County for 30 plus years. The DA has had cases against this guy for all of this time and has never filed charges against him even once just as long as the checks keep coming in and Tony Rack keeps gets re-elected and the fleecing goes on for another season.

  10. Anonymous :
    yes, an officer was called to the scene however, it didn’t take 6 officers to restrain the man. two would have been plenty. plus they didn’t have to resort to beating the man. pepper spray or rubber bullets would have done the trick but they went over board. they had no right to beat the poor sensless man the way they did.

    oh no a guy strung out/or with mental disorders is no match for 12 cops
    hahaha
    and the bullshit statement that the pigs didnot use flash lights to beat kelly thomas, okay maybe it wasnt your typical mag lite beat sticks
    but any body with eyes wired to a brain that functions can see those tasers have lights on them!!!
    so in turn they are flash lights, and concede with being beat by flash lights/tasers
    that a number of people have stated
    so fuck all the propaganda
    fuck the police state

    1. Who said Kelly was strung out? He sounds like he was pretty lucid when he called out for his dad while being pummeled by the scumsacks!

    1. It would have to be pre-meditated murder.

      You would have to prove that these cops, or one of them decided that he wanted to kill a “low-life” that night.

      1. Sending them to prison for any period of time would be just as much a death sentence. A cop who is the very definition of “pig”? I’d give them a month before they got stuck.

        1. #34 by Anon on August 3, 2011
          Sending them to prison for any period of time would be just as much a death sentence. A cop who is the very definition of “pig”? I’d give them a month before they got stuck.

          One really has to wonder if they would ever be released into the general prison population. They do look after their own, regardless they do not look after us.

  11. PBO :
    Stick to the facts. Someone called, can be proven, saying that someone was breaking into cars. The drifter probably was a actually trying to get into cars. Cops roll up and the drifter suspect runs. Cops chase him and catch him. Drifter resists and fights refusing to give up. Fight ensues. Cops kick his ass. They went overboard during the fight and kicked his ass more than allowed when using reasonable force. Justice will prevail if that is what happened. I’m sure the other video will be released and if it shows they beat his ass more than necessary to take him into custody, then then will pay. If the officers got broken bones and bruises and the suspect fought til his death, then the cops will get off. Stick to the facts and stop thinking it’s a huge conspiracy. Yes someone called. Yes the suspect was trying to get into cars. Audio and video will show that. After that will probably be up to a jury.

    yea dont read much huh?
    you are a one sided fool
    every word that came out of that fat scum goodwench is mouth has proven false!!!
    NO BROKEN BONES
    NO DRUGS

    YOUR A TOOL FOR A BROKEN SYSTEM

    1. The police department has offered the public NO TANGIBLE evidence to support any of their claims, nada, zilch, zero!

  12. Gonzo, Esq. :
    That’s pretty speculative. Who was behind this elaborate conspiracy? Probably the Masons.
    If anyone has been making life so difficult for the FPD that they’d actually concoct a plot to stage a murder, it would be Tony and Travis!
    Nobody has come forward to say that Kelly had been a real problem in the area. If the police/Masons/Illuminati/Trilateral Commission, etc. really wanted to get rid of him, they’d pick him up on a 5150 hold and claim that he was a danger to himself. That’s quick and easy and doesn’t attract the attention of the FBI.

    GET THE FUCK OUT
    YOUR A DUMB ASS

    1. “Your (possessive) a dumb ass” hahahahaha. English is hard.

      What was so dumb about my post, dingus?

      Cops murdered a guy, but now the real goofballs are coming out of the woodwork to speculate about some kind of global conspiracy.

      What is more believable: 1) that a bunch of sadistic cops lost their tempers and beat a homeless person to death (obviously), or 2) the Jews are conspiring with the Illuminati to rid Fullerton of one harmless homeless guy (coo coo).

      Get a life and learn to spell.

  13. The Fullerton City Counsel were talking out of both sides of their mouths last night because they kept saying because their investigation isn’t done yet they couldn’t say very much, but they knew enough a week or two ago to offer the Thomas family $900,000 and tell them what the FPD did isn’t so bad because Kelly was “No rocket scientist”. It’s ironic Richard Nixon is buried not to far from here because if Watergate taught us anything it’s the cover up that really gets you in trouble. But what people are calling the “Fullerton Six” may be very unfair because some of those officers may have little or no blame for what happened.

    1. John :
      But what people are calling the “Fullerton Six” may be very unfair because some of those officers may have little or no blame for what happened.

      They went against training and did nothing to stop it. Their training manuals spell out that they must act if another officer is committing abuse or a crime.

      …but why would you need a manual to tell you to do something when another officer is killing an unarmed guy already incapacitated?

      1. Those cops had a duty to act to protect Kelly. This is like the scenario in a Few Good Men. After the courts martial the two Marines had a problem with the verdict. The black Marine told the white one they should have protected a weaker Marine and they didn’t do it. There was no due diligence in Kelly’s case.

      2. John, yes, I saw Serpico and heard him speak at a local high school back in the 80’s. We need more cops like him! He has had a sad life.

  14. KFI’s Ken Chiampou should stop kissing the FPD peckers and stop making jokes about the beating. Wish he could take another week long vacation.

    1. I agree, Ken should just go away. I don’t think the movement would have made it this far if Ken was yapping away on the air defending the police

  15. Transient, drug addict, that no one wants anything to do with, including family decides to run from the police after opening car doors. He fights until he can’t fight anymore. He dies. Now family talks like this drug addict, transient, with no brain left was a model citizen. Cops fought for their lives and knucklehead worthless idiot fights for his life. Cops win. One less POS left to suck up welfare in this world. Deal with it.

    1. You’re either Ofc. Cicinelli, or else just an ignorant asshole who hasn’t been following this story and obviously doesn’t know the facts.

      He got caught with some junk mail that someone else had thrown away. The guy was mentally ill and ran away because he was afraid (for good reason, it turns out).

      He was not on welfare or drugs (as if that has anything to do with it).

    2. Notice how long the autopsy is taking? Notice how long the toxicology report is taking? Think they would take this long if it made the cops look better? Think the tape would already be out there in the public domain if it made the cops look better? God government thinks the public is stupid. Keep thinking that. The times they are a changing.

      1. Didn’t they have his funeral already? It’s not rocket science. This was a homicide at the hands of another cause by blunt force trauma! If Kelly was on drugs, its really a moot point!

        1. #50 by Fedupwithmorons on August 3, 2011

          If Kelly were on drugs they probably would have been to treat his condition, and he would not have been on the street that night, thus still alive. Anyone who says he was on drugs is either obfuscating for the FPD coverup, or just yanking your chain to get a rise. Ignore ’em and maybe they’ll go ‘play’ with each other instead of playing on you.

    3. #46 by Fullerton duck on August 3, 2011

      QUACK! Or would crank yanker be more accurate? Gee, get that thing out of your mouth. No telling where it’s been!

  16. At the Fullerton City Council meeting last night Mayor Jones stated to Kelly Thomas’ father that he cannot address the incident until the investigation is complete. I want to know WHO offered Kelly’s father $900,000 in out of court settlement? WHO? Who authorized that payment?

    As a Fullerton resident I have a right to know why a (hush) payment was offered if the investigation is incomplete?

    1. Since when can a city council revoke someone’s First Amendment rights? These people in gov’t are shady!

  17. Gonzo, Esq. :
    “Your (possessive) a dumb ass” hahahahaha. English is hard.
    What was so dumb about my post, dingus?
    Cops murdered a guy, but now the real goofballs are coming out of the woodwork to speculate about some kind of global conspiracy.
    What is more believable: 1) that a bunch of sadistic cops lost their tempers and beat a homeless person to death (obviously), or 2) the Jews are conspiring with the Illuminati to rid Fullerton of one harmless homeless guy (coo coo).
    Get a life and learn to spell.

    you’re a dumb ass
    happy
    dumb fuck

    1. Keep up with the name calling, you crazy asshole. Still don’t know what I said to get you so excited you forgot what punctuation is for.

      If you’ve got some evidence of a global conspiracy, please come forward with it. Otherwise, stop with the harebrained, anti-Semitic crazy talk and wild speculation.

      Until then, I’m just going to stick with my narrative: a failure of leadership allowed a culture of unaccountability to thrive at the FPD, ultimately resulting in the murder of Kelly Thomas (no aliens involved and no credible evidence that the Skull & Bones had anything to do with it).

      1. NAME CALLING
        huh Your the dumb fuck who cant fathom a conspiracy is going on at the local level. Instead you spit mindless drivel about globalist.
        Get The Fuck Out

      2. #61 by Gonzo, Esq. on August 3, 2011

        Gonz, please don’t quit! You two crack me up, and this story makes me feel like weeping every day. The comic relief is SO needed around here.

        All the best,

  18. OpenArts :
    I agree, Ken should just go away. I don’t think the movement would have made it this far if Ken was yapping away on the air defending the police

    hey give the guy a break
    he’s a pollock

  19. Ohhh, someone’s gonna get in trouble at the DA’s office. She pretty much gave it away that the video shows the police killed him.

  20. You could tell that she was distrubed by having seen the video.

    Thank you FFFF for keeping us safe from those who would seek to harm us.

  21. Gonzo, Esq. :
    Keep up with the name calling, you crazy asshole. Still don’t know what I said to get you so excited you forgot what punctuation is for.
    If you’ve got some evidence of a global conspiracy, please come forward with it. Otherwise, stop with the harebrained, anti-Semitic crazy talk and wild speculation.
    Until then, I’m just going to stick with my narrative: a failure of leadership allowed a culture of unaccountability to thrive at the FPD, ultimately resulting in the murder of Kelly Thomas (no aliens involved and no credible evidence that the Skull & Bones had anything to do with it).

    dumb fuck

  22. i just love this one and i was warned about this mentality
    “#36 by sellers sold out the citizens of fullerton on August 3, 2011

    hey who controls the federal reserve?
    jews
    now get back to the story”

    you are really going to use this tragic event as a forum to bring up my peeps?

    tell you what there Skippy, stop watching ufc and midget porn, put down the smokes and brewskies, stop making a weekend out of hanging out at the tattoo parlor and buy a used college level textbook titled economics 101. if you can get past the remedial piece of pulp you can then start soaking up the math theory necessary to comprehend even a tiny bit of the dealings with the federal reserve.

    as far the demographic makeup of the majority those who serve the fed maybe it’s as simple as most people not being bright enough. if the average christian white male cared half as much about being educated as he does about angels box scores or the new cage fighting champion, he wouldnt be in danger of losing it all in the next ten years. am i right?
    now can we get back to the original topic?

    1. Scotty, don’t even waste your time trying to argue with this moron. He’s obviously huffed way too much paint to string together a coherent sentence.

    2. #72 by scotty on August 3, 2011

      Scotty, you gotta get a thicker skin. Attacking Christians is as stupid as attacking Jews, is as stupid as attacking Muslims, is as stupid as attacking Hindus, is as stupid as attacking Buddhists, etc. Wrong is wrong, and wrong never wins an argument.

      btw, Who “warned” you about this “mentality” anyway? You a virgin too?

  23. Sgt. Goodrich could write a textbook on what not to do and say.

    Here is a view of what not to say:
    “Five of the six officers involved in the July 5 arrest of Kelly Thomas were reassigned last night to “non-frontline patrol”

    Fellow citizens, what “frontline” is Sgt. Goodrich talking about?

    Is there a war being conducted in Fullerton on the citizens of this city?
    Are your the master of that propaganda, hid, misdirection and obfuscation?

    By the actions of your department and you personally it would appear so.
    – RESIGN NOW

    Or better Ms. Susan Kang Schroeder will be calling you Andy into a court room for faking evidence – a crime and conspiracy – a crime.

    1. Yeah, he has a sidekick clown at LASD. Steve Whitmore is an embarrassment to law enforcement. Today he was quoted as saying deputies don’t lie or make things up. I couldn’t stop laughing after reading that bs!

  24. it’s not for him. i believe most like him are unreachable. i write it to spur those who are on the fence in regards to blaming or growing. he’s a blamer and not a grower.
    i do get angry b/c where does the scapegoating end? nobody knows the answer to that but i will speak up and defend my tribe when i see the scapegoating start

    Kol Tuv
    Scott

    1. “what” a pro semite with bad grammar?
      I all said was who controls the fed.
      And the tears started flowing
      AWWW

    2. Oh crud! Scotty, now you’ve gone and risen to the bait. Okay, you engaged him, he’s your puppy now, It’s your responsibility to clean up after him. I am NOT at this party to clean up puppy-poo!

  25. Just to name a few…

    November 7, 2010 – Riverside Police Officer Ryan Bonaminio was beat then shot with his own gun by a parolee.

    May 13, 2003 – Riverside County Sheriff Deputy Bruce Kevin Lee was beaten to death with his service baton after responding to a domestic disturbance call on in La Quinta, CA.

    January 6, 1996 – Sergeant Hoskie Gene was killed after responding to a call of breaking and entering at a local store. Sergeant Gene discovered two men fleeing on foot and gave chase. A struggle ensued and one suspect strangled Sergeant Gene as the second suspect beat him with a flashlight. Sergeant Gene died of the strangulation. The two suspects stole his patrol car, gun, and ammunition.

    November 12, 1992 – Deputy R.D. Purifoy was beaten to death after responding to a family disturbance call. Deputy Purifoy was dispatched to the scene around 5:40 pm, and about 6:00 pm another call concerning a deputy being down was received. They found the deputy’s body, which had been badly beaten, with an iron of some sort.

    August 24, 1991 – Deputy Sheriff Michael William Morrow was killed during a traffic stop. During the stop he was beaten to death with his own flashlight.

    January 22, 1990 – Stockton Police Sergeant Timothy David White succumbed to injuries sustained 12 days earlier when he was severely beaten with his police flashlight. He had become engaged in a foot pursuit after making a traffic stop of a parolee. The suspect was able to overpower Sergeant White and beat him with his flashlight.

    January 26, 1990 – Police Officer Philip J. Stabile succumbed to injuries sustained when a mentally ill man attacked him. During the attack he was severely beaten and kicked, causing severe lung and heart damage. The suspect was never prosecuted due his mental state.

    June 18, 1961 – Montclair Police Officer Andrew Farthing was beaten to death with his own nightstick by an 18 year old youth when he and three other officers went to the suspects home to break up a teen-age party neighbors were complaining about. The suspect was acquitted after a jury ruled that he was justified in beating the officer to death because he entered his home without a search warrant.

      1. Or a taxi driver, store clerk, roofer, miner etc but I don’t see any of them pulling the dangerous occupation card to justify beating a schizophrenic to death.

    1. Hmm… makes you think, doesn’t it? It looks like not only are cops NOT invincible, but sometimes they run into people who have NOTHING to lose! Yeah, it’s easy to gang up and murder a homeless guy. Maybe the idiots listed in the above sob story should’ve picked their victims more carefully, I’m just sayin’…

    2. I’m not sure what the point is here. Examples of officers killed in the line of duty means what in terms of this case? That is is ok for cops to beat civilians to death because it happens to cops occasion in the line of duty? Explain yourself.

      1. Bringing up this thing about cops bring killed in line of duty serves only one purpose, to deflect responsibility of what these thugs did to Kelly! There are more civilians killed at the hands of officers through use of illegal deadly force than we really want to know about!

    3. Embarrassing…all overtaken by only one or two people and then beat with their own weapons….imagine what it feels like to be taken down by SIX cops.

      When the inside sings and the prosecution proves the burglary call was fake the Feds will be able to go after them with the death penalty…which is fitting for a psuedo crime syndicate like the FPD.

  26. to all:
    i write not to bitch but because i love this country and love it’s history. i am not happy with all the history but i love knowing it. i love being able to see through peoples complaints and recognize the apologists for what they are…miserable broken down angry people. all the cars, vacations, houses, and women one might use to judge their lives against mine are irrelevant to me. i am gifted with happiness from within and not by material posessions. i have more material goods than i could ever enjoy yet have very little use for them outside of making my life less physically demanding.

    the real poblem here is that police treat all americans like they used to treat the blacks. thats the real problem. being beat up by thepolice and not being angry about it is the new litmus test for good citizenship. screw that! the white christian power structure didnt like it when we spoke out in the 50’s&60’s and they certainly dont like it today. i say tough cookies

  27. EA :
    Just to name a few…
    November 7, 2010 – Riverside Police Officer Ryan Bonaminio was beat then shot with his own gun by a parolee.
    May 13, 2003 – Riverside County Sheriff Deputy Bruce Kevin Lee was beaten to death with his service baton after responding to a domestic disturbance call on in La Quinta, CA.
    January 6, 1996 – Sergeant Hoskie Gene was killed after responding to a call of breaking and entering at a local store. Sergeant Gene discovered two men fleeing on foot and gave chase. A struggle ensued and one suspect strangled Sergeant Gene as the second suspect beat him with a flashlight. Sergeant Gene died of the strangulation. The two suspects stole his patrol car, gun, and ammunition.
    November 12, 1992 – Deputy R.D. Purifoy was beaten to death after responding to a family disturbance call. Deputy Purifoy was dispatched to the scene around 5:40 pm, and about 6:00 pm another call concerning a deputy being down was received. They found the deputy’s body, which had been badly beaten, with an iron of some sort.
    August 24, 1991 – Deputy Sheriff Michael William Morrow was killed during a traffic stop. During the stop he was beaten to death with his own flashlight.
    January 22, 1990 – Stockton Police Sergeant Timothy David White succumbed to injuries sustained 12 days earlier when he was severely beaten with his police flashlight. He had become engaged in a foot pursuit after making a traffic stop of a parolee. The suspect was able to overpower Sergeant White and beat him with his flashlight.
    January 26, 1990 – Police Officer Philip J. Stabile succumbed to injuries sustained when a mentally ill man attacked him. During the attack he was severely beaten and kicked, causing severe lung and heart damage. The suspect was never prosecuted due his mental state.
    June 18, 1961 – Montclair Police Officer Andrew Farthing was beaten to death with his own nightstick by an 18 year old youth when he and three other officers went to the suspects home to break up a teen-age party neighbors were complaining about. The suspect was acquitted after a jury ruled that he was justified in beating the officer to death because he entered his home without a search warrant.

    And the relevance to THIS story is?

      1. I think he’s trying to say…

        “You should be thanking them”
        “Armchair Quarterbacking”
        “Keyboard Warrior”
        “You weren’t there”
        “He/She shouldn’t have resisted”
        “They put their lives on the line everyday”
        “Try being a police officer for a day”
        “Don’t call when you need help next time.”

        …You know, the typical cliches spewed by police abuse sympathizers.

        The truth is he knows he doesnt have a valid argument which is why he posted such a vague poorly thought out message.

      2. “June 18, 1961 – Montclair Police Officer Andrew Farthing was beaten to death with his own nightstick by an 18 year old youth when he and three other officers went to the suspects home to break up a teen-age party neighbors were complaining about. The suspect was acquitted after a jury ruled that he was justified in beating the officer to death because he entered his home without a search warrant. ”

        This is my favorite one! It was during a time when our homes were still considered our castles, and the m/f cops were kept in their place, apparently! Can you imagine trying to keep these dickheads out now? They’d bulldoze your house, or set fire to it!

    1. Usually these cops are killed in the line of duty due to being tactically stupid, complacent or just plain lazy.

  28. i only cry over women and once when i was a teenager. when i was 12 my grandfather beat two skinheads to a bloody pulp after they taunted us and then spanked the one with the mouth in front of his friends. my granfdfathers rage scared me and i cried my eyes out. it was his face,hands,and curls covered with blood and his calm demeanor during the fight that made me most anxious

  29. EA, an officer loosing their life in the line of duty IS as tragic as any wrongful death. But when you present it like that you make it sound as though the police are justified in taking lives; rightly or wrongly. It doesn’t work that way, we’re not keeping score, two wrongs don’t make a right. But thank you for the list because those were lives wrongly taken and we should remember their sacrifice.

  30. at #61
    3800 private sector employees lost their live last year. this dwarfs any number law enforcement can come up with. were it not for the TAX-PAYING GOODS PRODUCING citizens of this great country you would not be able to eat. period. so law enforcement decides the prudent thing to do is beat it’s citizens to death. you dont need a degree in economics to see how this is going to end

  31. hey sellers! you are most welcome. figured i would give you an idea of where i am coming from. you see i dont fear the young tattoed thuggery i see nowadays. most of em are too stupid and easily identified through their appearance to be in charge of anything meaningful. the ones that worry me are the fat old codgers like yourself that keep it hidden from the public view and only let your ‘sheeny’ or ‘coon’ jokes pass your lips when you are in familiar company or behind a computer screen.

    so keep up the comments, we keep sheets on guys like you. i cant wait until you decide to re-fi you home if you even have equity left.

    1. Scotty,
      This ignorant asshole burned up his last brain cell years ago chugging antifreeze and injecting hairspray. Don’t waste another keystroke trying to reason with illiterate bigots like this one.

      $1 says he just re-posts this comment with his own pithy response (something clever and original like “get out POS”).

  32. scotty :
    hey sellers! you are most welcome. figured i would give you an idea of where i am coming from. you see i dont fear the young tattoed thuggery i see nowadays. most of em are too stupid and easily identified through their appearance to be in charge of anything meaningful. the ones that worry me are the fat old codgers like yourself that keep it hidden from the public view and only let your ‘sheeny’ or ‘coon’ jokes pass your lips when you are in familiar company or behind a computer screen.
    so keep up the comments, we keep sheets on guys like you. i cant wait until you decide to re-fi you home if you even have equity left.

    you are so full of shit.
    just
    gtfo!!
    POS
    your profiling is worthless
    learn to type bozo

    1. go cry over a girl you little girl.
      I’am not here to have little quiffs with scum like you.
      You have just proved how much of a racist you truly are
      shalom

  33. Stop using the Kelly Thomas beating as a political fulcrum! Prosecute all officers, investigate Sellers link to DA, erradicate lousy officers within the department, fire some council members. After that, then we will go after ALL THE OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT SUCKLE AT THE TEET OF AMERICA’s TAXPAYERS. Goodrich (or good and rich) is a looser!

  34. Try this website, http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com it tells us what cops are really up to. That video must be very disturbing, ole Kang definetly lost her composure. I believe Kelly’s murder hits a nerve because ALOT of people have bad interactions with cops and are threatened into complying. People do not like feeling helpless and this murder has sparked a feeling that people are banding together to fight back…… if only you could when the cops do what they do without a camera rolling.

    1. Yes, I get his reports every day! It is pretty disgusting to see a minimum
      of 20 reports of police misconduct every day. And… This is just the stuff that makes newsfeeds. Copblock, policeabuse are a couple of other sites that track this garbage!

  35. i go in the morning like all healthy people so wrong
    gtfo? what do girls telling fake orgasms have to do with any of this?
    POS? piety over stupidity? every time jimbo

    it’s not. you are upside down on your mortgage.

    ill send you my address and you can send over the maeve binchy typing lesson on dvd. i am a clown but there was only one Bozo. you talking about my three inch thumb?

  36. Sure ithttp://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/08/kelly_thomas_fullerton_police_2.php ain’t Travis and Tony, but we’re trying!!!

  37. that post was all screwed up. Just go to OCweekly for another spin on last night’s protest. Nothing new, per se, but someone in OC is trying to stay on top of it other than this rather impressive fucking blog.

  38. to all citizens everywhere. i suggest we always keep enough memory on our cell phones to observe and record. do it every time we have a minute.every time we have a minute we stop and observe citizens interactions with the police. keep the cellies always at the ready and do not become like massachusetts and let the right to do so be taken away.
    to all people who call what is going on in this forum ‘angry’ and ‘vitriolic’ i say this is nothing if you try to ram a piece of legislation like that in mass down the throats of californians. we wont stand for it.
    kelly thomas is dead because the fdp failed to prevent inherent prejudices within itself from manifesting into the decision to beat an unarmed man to death with tasers,fists,and flashlights. he did not fit into the police officers beliefs of what a human being is supposed to be. he is dead because of it. this is fact if we believe they would not have beaten a man in a three piece suit to death. i am not a christian but i like Jesus the man very much. he kind of looked like kelley thomas and from what people who knew him say a gentle guy like Jesus but i guess in the days of preachers with three piece suits,gold watches,diamond rings,and a fake tan i suppose it’s only logical to lose sight of the things Jesus actually stood for.

  39. I spoke to someone who knows the person that called FPD. My understanding is that the call to FPD reported that “Kelly Thomas” was looking in car windows. Not that he was breaking into cars. If this is true, then the FPD didn’t even have probable cause to stop and detain him in the first place.

    1. And that was a phony call. These cops jumped on an opportunity to beet down a local bum. They may just get charged with pre-med murder and sentenced to death. They don’t stand a chance in hell as the only lawyers that could get them off…won’t take this case nor could they afford to hire them even if they would take it.

  40. uh, cuz he was homeless? And therefore a thief? Not that I believe that, but I’m more than a few god-fearing ciitizens do…

  41. Like I posted elsewhere on this site, maybe it’s time to consider our right to “Open Carry” weapons in Fullerton. Penal codes 12025 and 12031 detail what’s allowed.

    1. You reached for your gun and the officer fearing for his safety opened fire.

      A shooting involving an armed person is much much much easier for them to justify.

    2. If you belonged to the NRA you would have rec’d a bulletin on some moonbeam state clown trying to ban open carry. Don’t know if it was passed or not. If you open carry, you had best be ready for harassment by cops…99.99% of them don’t know the law.
      In a case law decision, we the people have a Constitutional right to resist an unlawful arrest. The case is Elk vs US.

      In photographing police, they have no
      Expectation of privacy in a public place. You may not be in a position to impede their investigation, or, cause injury to them or others by your presence. Just know you have a 1st Amendment right to video them!

  42. #85. The call was made be a person who manages a business nearby. The concern was that Kelly’s actions might make customers nervous.

    1. #120 by Michael G on August 3, 2011

      Holy crud! I’ll bet Kelly was just looking in cars hoping for an unlocked vehicle with a full ashtray to calm his nicotine starved schizophrenic addled nerves! Those sissy-coward-bully-punks killed the poor kid because he needed to self-medicate his mental ailment??? There isn’t a hell low enough, but I hope there’s a prison full of over-muscled horny Cons that get off on one-eyed guys where they end up.

  43. I participated in last nights open city council meeting and added my voice to the many. I ashamed of what happened in this city and very proud of those who spoke to this injustice. I would like to join with others who appeared to be organizing around the idea of recalling that pompous ass mayor Dick Jones. We need to pierce the vail of a city council that has 2 past police dept. emplyees, McKinley and Bankhead, on the city council. The protection afforded to the police by these two city council members is less than an arms length relationship. I would appreciate being contacted thru this site so that I might join you. Thanks

  44. by the sounds of the last min of the interview when Kang was asked to decribe the city tape-it doesnt sound likeits gonna ne good for the wild animals of Fullerton PD

  45. blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/08/jay_cincinelli_fullerton_beati.php

    Jay Cincinelli, LAPD Cop Taken Off Duty After Injury, One of Fullerton Officers in Deadly Confrontation

  46. Officer at Center of Fullerton Beating Controversy Identified-

    JAY CICINELLI

    ww.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/officer-at-center-of-fullerton-beating-controversy-identified-20110802#ixzz1U1ECUUCL

  47. That Schrodinger chick saw the video and could not be honest about what she saw. That pretty much sinches it for me. This shit about not being able to show the video because it will taint a jury is pure bullshit. Just like the story about broken bones. Not only does this tell us that they are lying, as a group, it also tells us that they have some practice at it. This is turning out to be the worst case of police brutality and subsequent cover up that I have ever seen. We need to get these shitheads out of office and out of town before they bring the whole town down.

  48. You can almost be 100% certain that there were no burglaries nor legitimate call to police about a man trying to break into cars. Basically, it was all made up to cover up a beating that local police agencies do all the time. Local police forces are basically crime syndicates that operate under the guise of doing good police work in order to line their own pockets and take out their frustrations on the average tax payer. The day will come when we will all need to protect ourselves..be smart….the devil is in the detail..

    1. Let their bogus police reports on auto burgs in the area prove that there was a problem where they confronted Kelly! Make them show us the evidence, let them bury themselves in perjury riddled reports and bogus evidence.

  49. There will be a protest in front of the Fullerton PD this Saturday. This is such a disturbing action by the FPD and they are hiding behind the Blue Code of Silence. It’s time to release the tape. There have now been so many lies about this already attributed to Police and City representatives it leaves one numb. I will be there to stand for Kelly. I truly believe we will be judged by how we treat the least among us.

  50. Yes, it is important to know if the police were dispatched to the bus depot because someone was burging cars. We need to know if cops have witnesses to these burgs, and how if it is true, where was Kelly hiding the property taken from these cars? Where are the auto burg reports? What evidence was inventoried for the report?

    Were the burged autos photographed? Were prints lifted from vehicles? What was the burglary tool used by Kelly? In other words Fullerton PD., prove Kelly burger cars. If you
    can’t, which I suspect, you did NOT have the probable cause
    to stop or detain Kelly! This was a homicide crime scene, if Kelly had stolen property on him at the time he was being thumped on, where was it? Was it photoed in the crime scene photographs?

    Coroner’s report will say this is homicide at the hands of another. The manner and means will be blunt force trauma to his head.

    To prove a murder case you need “malice aforethought”. I would say that if you keep pummeling a defenseless victim, without any intervention by other officers at the scene, this would prove malice. These officers were not going to let Kelly go home without a good thumping.

    1. There is no legitimate proof of buglaries…that is what the cops have been working on for the last three weeks…their justification for fear and danger in the area and with kelly…but it will be difficult to prove anything other than the typical pre-med beat down of a defenseless homeless man….happens all the time….except this time the cops were stooges and there are internal witnesses that will sing to this…if they think there is a thin blue line of protection…they thought wrong here….but of course these were not typical smart criminal cops…these guys were just plain mentally disabled…in fact I am beginning to wonder who is more ignorant…a schizo homeless guy or a one eyed cop who decides his next beat down should be in front of the police camera.

    2. Your questions are part of the investigation moron. It’s simple what was said when the person called. It’s on tape. He’s looking in cars. That’s plenty of PC to stop someone. He runs. Facts. Not you Bs theories.

      1. Since when did looking into cars become a death penalty felony? Bet many of the cop supporters have looked into cars while walking through parking lots. Should they be beaten to death for looking?

      2. All 911 calls and calls to detective and business desk are recorded. Let’s hear the unredacted audio tapes!

      3. At sleeper! Yo, moron! Did you know we American citizens have a Constitutional right to resist an unlawful arrest or detention? Supreme Court says we do, go read Elk v US…if you can. This case law is more important than Terry v Ohio!

    3. #133 by Fedupwithmorons on August 3, 2011

      All excellent points @Fedup..

      A HATE CRIME? Hum…

      Would an unwillingness to intervene in an ongoing murder also indicate complicity on the part of a police officer? Regardless what the apologists whine, they are ALL responsible for this unjustifiable ‘putting down’ of a defenseless homeless man. There is no escaping REALITY. Kelly Thomas sensed he was in mortal danger when approached by these sissy thugs (it is so apropos that when they finally get to prison they will no longer be sissies only figuratively). I hope these cowards feel in slow motion the mortal terror poor Kelly experienced for a relatively short time.

  51. I am a 20+ year resident of Fullerton, California. I often times visit my brother who lives in Placentia, California. I have come into contact with Kelly Thomas many times at an area near Yorba Linda Blvd. and Bradford in Placentia at the area outside Starbucks, Quiznos and a small donut shop. He used to hang there and when you took one look you knew he wasn’t completely right. I had bought him coffee and donuts a number of times and the donut shop gave him free coffee and donuts on many occasions. This guy never created a problem other than his appearance and I can tell you without reproach he was 135 lbs soaking wet. You could see he wasn’t properly nourished and know I could have taken him down by myself with no weapons. Many people I know agree with that as well. Six large, heavily armed police officers were necessary to subdue him? Did you see his face?
    He was beaten to death plain and simple. I am not a radical or crazy, rather a typical middle class homeowner and contractor who lives and works in Fullerton, pays taxes and obeys the law. I know when an atrocity has been comitted and this is one.

  52. If the video shows what it shows, then they have enough evidence to charge at least a few cops with involuntary manslaughter. involuntary manslaughter is a low bar that doesn’t require to go to the officer’s head. Here’s the question – should they arrest some of the cops that used force with involuntary manslaughter now, arraign them, make them post bail – or should they wait and try to go for second degree murder (intentional, non-premeditated murder) or first degree murder (maybe, if they found that Jay made comments specifically wanted to eliminate Kelly Thomas from the face of the earth)? Remember that right now all the cops are free to move around and could leave the state or even the country. Charging them with something would take away their passports, but going for involuntary could make people scream even louder, even if they could always upcharge them prior to going to trial.

    1. It will be pre med for some and second for others. This one is going to shake the public service field to it’s core and bring our nations police forces to their knees.

  53. #120 anonymous has put his finger on a fact that does not bode well for the guys who killed Kelly Thomas, that being the shock and outrage that this heinous crime has produced in every type of person across the board. I’ve been following this story since it first appeared on KFI — which is how I came across this fabulous blog — and what is striking to me is that the shared feelings of most posters here cut across virtually every possible political and cultural belief. This does not happen often. I’m 55 year old long-haired libertarian living in San Diego and probably wouldn’t see eye-to-eye with everyone posting here, but this doesn’t matter. Out of control cops are a threat to everyone, and these guys were clearly out of control. I don’t see how anyone could think otherwise after seeing Kelly’s hospital picture. And I can tell you that this story is growing legs down here as the outrage spreads across California, the nation, and the world. People are really paying attention now, all over the place.

    As I mentioned, I live in San Diego (Old Town), and I’ve lived all over the place during my travelling years — usually in a downtown locale — and I’ve always managed to have a good “relationship” with the hardcore homeless guys that live in my neighborhood. They know I’m usually good for a buck or two; as #120 noted, the guys who have been on the street for a long time are usually in terrible health and are more of a threat to themselves and each other than anyone else. I can say with certainty that I have never had a problem where I thought I was in any physical danger with one of these guys. I did have a someone punch the lock on my truck and pinch some inexpensive tools and electronics last December, but that could have been anyone.

    The homeless will always be with us, especially in urban areas. And this is only going to get worse as the economy continues to tank. It seems that nowadays there is a new guy or gal on every corner holding a cardboard sign — in places they didn’t always frequent.

    It doesn’t take much these days. People who never made a lot of money in the first place suddenly find themselves out of work with precious few employment options can find themselves upside down pretty quickly, and if they have no local friends or family who can offer meaningful support or shelter, they’re basically SOL.

    I realize that this was not Kelly’s situation. I understand that, but I’m thinking about the prevailing attitude of “homelessness” throughout law enforcement. I often see cars parked in grocery store parking lots in which its obvious that someone is living in the car. Someone posted earlier regarding a couple friends who were forced into temporary homelessness and were harassed by the police for living in their cars. Are they second-class citizens simply because they fell on hard times? I lost my job two years ago in a dying industry, so I cached in my 401-k and went back to college. Were it nor for that option and some additional resources, I might be out there right now.

    Like I said, Kelly was hardcore homeless and likely was never coming back in. I’ve heard it mentioned that his family tried to bring him home, but he wouldn’t stay. That’s not uncommon. My girlfriend is a mental health worker for a clinic and drop-in center, and plenty of her “clients” are homeless people with severe mental illnesses. They forget or refuse to take their meds, they spin in and out of hallucinations, you name it. They also move in and out of jail and the justice system, constantly. This is just their sad, sorry, unfortunate lot in life, and its a sick, obscene situation if they’re also doomed to be hunted and tortured by cruel, sadistic police officers.

    This is why Kelly’s story is spreading across the planet. Knowing what we know — and not just Fullerton, obviously, there are police brutality videos all over YouTube and elsewhere — knowing what we know, any one of us runs the risk of being Kelly Thomas if we find ourself in the wrong place at the wrong time.

  54. ‘ve worked in both middle and elementary school (as an aide) , and everywhere I look teachers are running themselves ragged trying to get kids interested and inspired, in many cases trying to get them to just show up to class and pay attention, trying anything they can think of to just get something to stick with the students. They put in countless hours of unpaid planning, meetings, conferences and they’re always needing to keep their education updated and current, meaning that for most, schooling never really ends. Most teachers I’ve worked with have spent hundreds of their own dollars buying things to enrich learning in their classrooms. And they really don’t have that much job security. I’ve seen countless teachers and other school staff in the past few years lose their positions. Many new teachers I know had only just finished working as a student teacher for most of a school year, a requirement to become a teacher. This work is without pay. And then they get a job but are laid off after only one or two years because of budget cuts and low seniority.
    And most still love their jobs. They are passionate about what they do and they care about the kids.
    It’s nice to see that there are those out there that recognize this.

      1. The point is…how public education is as corrupted as law enforcement. We are paying dearly for a dumbed down educational system, which in turn results in these thugs on the street!

  55. The responses on this story are the reason this world is so F’d up. Same BS as the race card. Someone screws up it’s cause they were Mexican or Black. Now the dumbarses on this post really think cops stiffed a call in about someone looking in cars, chased this drug addict loser, and beat him with the intent to kill him in a public bus station with 100 people around. Get real. Your dreamy conspiracy idiotic thoughts might work in a movie but get with the times. If 6 cops really planned to murder a drug addict transient like this just get him in a field and crack his head open there with no wits and no worries. It is what it is. A drug addict loser whose family gave up on him was looking in cars to steal something for his fix. Cops roll up, he runs, they catch him, he fights, they beat him to a pulp, he dies. Cops will pay with their jobs and the city will suffer. They aren’t going to be tried for murder. Get real. Yes, they will spend millions on their attorneys and probably win the case just like other police cases. The money doesn’t come from their pockets. Their coverage is from a fund and it’s the best attorneys in the world. Stop making Bs up and deal with the facts. The cops don’t have the video anymore. The Feds and the DA do. We may see it someday but not now. So open your eyes. See the facts. Stop making BS up. Like they said growing up, run from the cops expect to get ur arse kicked.

    1. nobody is insinuating a conspiracy to murder. It was a spur of the moment roid fueled rage. Kelly was in the wrong place at the wrong time and the one-eyed psychopath snapped. If you were certain the public outrage and demand for justice was going away, you wouldn’t give this matter the time of day. But you’re here posting cus you’re an AMF whose cronies are about to go down. The whole worlds watching! Now GTFO

        1. Then stop posting if you could care less. Live by your own words and stop making up rambling posts full of BS. Oh, and GTFO

      1. It becomes a conspiracy when
        The cops failed to protect Kelly. They did not do their due diligence! They conspired to do nothing!

      2. There is a conspiracy afoot. These clowns at Fullerton PD have had a month to cover their tracks, delete or create new records, destroy evidence and so on. The only reason they will ever be held legally responsible is because of the heat the public is putting on them. Everyone on these blogs, scrutinize every little thing coming out of the PD. Don’t trust, verify!

    2. #144 by Mister Sleeper on August 3, 2011

      You’re sounding more and more like a broken record, crank yanker.

  56. Mister Sleeper :
    The responses on this story are the reason this world is so F’d up. Same BS as the race card. Someone screws up it’s cause they were Mexican or Black. Now the dumbarses on this post really think cops stiffed a call in about someone looking in cars, chased this drug addict loser, and beat him with the intent to kill him in a public bus station with 100 people around. Get real. Your dreamy conspiracy idiotic thoughts might work in a movie but get with the times. If 6 cops really planned to murder a drug addict transient like this just get him in a field and crack his head open there with no wits and no worries. It is what it is. A drug addict loser whose family gave up on him was looking in cars to steal something for his fix. Cops roll up, he runs, they catch him, he fights, they beat him to a pulp, he dies. Cops will pay with their jobs and the city will suffer. They aren’t going to be tried for murder. Get real. Yes, they will spend millions on their attorneys and probably win the case just like other police cases. The money doesn’t come from their pockets. Their coverage is from a fund and it’s the best attorneys in the world. Stop making Bs up and deal with the facts. The cops don’t have the video anymore. The Feds and the DA do. We may see it someday but not now. So open your eyes. See the facts. Stop making BS up. Like they said growing up, run from the cops expect to get ur arse kicked.

    you are gonna burn in hell

    1. You have nothing but supposition in your theory that Kelly was looking into cars for something to steal. Prove it! Oh wait, you can’t ask Kelly what his MO is. Or ask him if he was looking in cars for stuff to steal, cuz he’s DEAD! Your thesis lacks proof of anything, just making stuff up to fit crackpot cops theory of why this whole thing went sideways!

      1. There is nothing to keep the nazis from doing this to anyone of us…or our loved ones! Let’s see what happens when someone thumps on their family!

  57. If there was a call or wasn’t a call is imaterial. Remember the caller could be as nuts as the suspect. The officer must form a reasonable suspicion by what he sees on the scene. If all he saw was as the witness said ” this homeless guy was just chillin” there would be no reasonable suspicion capable of being formed (profiling the homeless doesn’t count) and therefore no grounds for a detention let alone an arrest. Last I heard, its not a crime to look into cars either. The police has got some problems here without a break-in. Something tells me Mr. kelly Thomas had prior dealings with these particular officers which scared him to death literally. Investigators need to scour past reports involving Kelly to see if there is a pattern of particular officer interactions especially with the officer now drawing all the current interest; that shouldn’t be to hard to find. Based on that in car cameras, recordings and even other homeless accounts of Kelly would be very relevant it might shed light why he ran from them in the first place. No one has come out and said that he had stolen property on him, just that he ran when he saw them. Now we need to find out why. For those of us in Fullerton we need to ask some of the homeless weather they knew Kelly, what and whom he was afraid of. Then you can form the basis of the intent of the officers visit that night.

    1. You just confirmed how lost you are. If you really think they don’t have probable cause with a call like that then you are among the same funny stuff the transient dope addict smoked his whole life.

      1. Hum, is that bubbling the sound of you going down, or just one of your chums? This time, hiding behind a badge won’t be enough. The whole world really IS watching, and DC starts paying attention once it hits National media. International media? Yeah, that’s your bubbling sound, buddy. Might as well bend over now, cause here it comes. heheheheh

      2. Mister you are indeed in need of some psychiatric assistance, maybe some lithium and prozac while you’re at it.

    2. John, Kelly was sitting on a bench when cops approached him, he was not roaming through the parking lot looking into cars.

  58. Wrong, mister sleeper. This data was recorded on a city computer, not a 1980’s VCR. To give the “video” to the DA, an electronic copy would be made without losing the original data. The data would therefore still be in the hands of the City.

    Chief Mike Sellers told the Fullerton Obsevrver that he never viewed the recording. Therefore, he put the officers back on the street after refusing to view the readily available evidence that would lead him to a logical conclusion as to whether or not he should put these officers back on the street.

    Likewise, the Fullerton City Council has refused to see the recording of evidence readily available to them while purporting to lead the City through the situation.

    Seasoned professional Susan Schreoder Kang nearly lost it on national TV when asked to describe what she saw on this recording.

    I have no thought that this was a premeditated murder. The problem was the prexisting criteria in the mind of the police that allowed them to kill Kelly Thomas and more importantly the non leadership that was preexisting to allow this incident to take place and not be properly handled in the aftermath.

    The anger and disillusionment of the people of Fullerton is justified.

    People should be warned, the DA’s office has given reasons not to release the recording to date. They have left the assuption that this will be done sometime in the future, but from their history, I have no reason to believe this assumption would be correct. There are too many reasons not to release it in the future.

    The press should begin now to seek promises as to when and under what conditions it will be released. they should prepare to file suit to demand its release.

    I would call for Mike Sellers and the full City Council to sit down together (with their attorneys) and view the recording. I would then suggest that groups of concerned citizens deemed not to be potential court witnesses to be allowed to view the recording.
    I would suggest that the media be allowed to see the recording. I would personally allow a restriction against the recording being duplicated on television or on the internet. However, the TV and internet entities might want to appeal such a restriction to a judge and it would be for a judge to determine.

    1. Susan Schreoder Kang and O.C. DA Office;
      Focus on serious crimes, not small crooks. There is nothing to be afraid about powerful unions to get a vote. There are many serious crimes in Fullerton and Orange County right on your backyard. City Councils are pratically useless. Can you and your team do one thing right to protect and serve your citizen in Orange County?
      Shall we bring the Fed in? Stand by and watching crime before your eyes is a criminal of conscience as well. How can you sleep at night?

    2. It’s not just the citizens in Fullerton who are upset and wanting justice for Kelly. I wish there was a way to contact his dad so we can support the family.

    3. There was no reasonable suspicion or probable cause involved here. These thugs wanted to fuck with someone and they did. No it’s our turn…quid pro quo!

    4. Yup! It’s on a hard drive. Hopefully, it’s archived like forensic stuff is at OCSD. That kind of evidence is locked up tight!

  59. I am not even talking probable cause that comes after reasonable suspicion it has to be based on the officers perceptions on scene, otherwise you wind up with a dead guy on a porch holding a water spray nozzle aka Long Beach

    1. And LB nozzle got what he deserved. Numerous calls of a subject with a gun and then point it at anyone? Die.

      1. Yeah, a hose nozzle is just as dangerous as a flip flop. People look up the Deandre Brunston murder by LASD!

  60. Yea, I stood befor the coluseum destitute and convicted. I was fed to the lions, He, that One Eyde did set upon me and carried out his wrath of mis-fortune, hurled blows upon my person! The Nubian rage rained my blood into the air! Lightning did streak through my helpless body! Thunder blows rained down upon my head, boom, boom I felt my head crack as I drowned in blood, Dad! Dad! Dad! Why has thou forsaken me…I fell back into slumber, I saw the audience in awe of rage, do nothings…It was all I lived for, you, I died for…do not forsake me Father! I am the lamb slaughtered.

  61. Simple case.. look at the image of the guy in the hospital and ask yourself one question: What kind of beating can justify this? Simple common sense question..

    You don’t have to be a witness to the crime to know what happened.. there is a greater law and it is called common sense, however our society is still too primitive to see it and enforce it.

    Let’s ignore common sense and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in court fees to come to the same conclusion.. maybe..

    The police officers should be on death row.. simple as that. An example should be made of them.

    1. There is NO justification. How could there be. Using thuggery of this kind on someone with schizophrenia is no different than using it on someone with Down syndrome!

      1. Something to ponder, are we headed for this?

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  62. The fabric of American society is disintegrating.. it started with OJ getting away with it, now everyone is. Let’s take the law too literally and ignore common sense and justice.. make it a playground for lawyers and leeches. The cops fight back by forming their own gangs and protect ‘their own’, and become the very thing they are sworn to protect the public from.

    Let’s listen to dumbass Republicans who protect the rich and convince some poor people to do the same..

    We are witnessing the beginning of the end of a once great nation.

    Womens rights have gone too far and now divorced men are looking for Filipina women because they are the only ones that can be faithful and hold true family values..

    Al Queda is going to spread like wildfire in the middle east as American troops withdraw.. and say bye bye to the democracy that everyone wants in that region.. and all of them will be united against the West in the near future.

    All the signs are there my friends, just look at them.

  63. I agree with #130. If we focused more on education and backing our teachers, maybe we would not have so many high school dropouts and maybe I would not only have a GED at 32 years old.

    1. We don’t need to back teachers and education. Education and teaching has become a left wing indoctrination tool, they are the cause of societal problems. Let’s instead support parents!

  64. Like the rest of Orange County, Fullerton running and control by Invincible Police or Untouchable Sheriffs Dept. with powerful unions behind, and justice system to protect them all these years.
    Nothing will happen to these cops and their leaders in Orange County.
    Generous offer will be made to parent of Kelly Thomas. After all, his father was a Sheriff in Orange County. Once a cop, always a cop.
    We rescue and care for a strayed animals on street. Kelly Thomas is only another drifter in Orange County, one less sore eyes to see in Fullerton. Stop wasting your time and go back to your own self behhind closed doors.

  65. #137 Mister Sleeper

    Wake up. What probable cause. When did it become illegal to look through a car window. There was no probable cause.

    1. Here’s a hint. It doesn’t have to be illegal to be probable cause. Illegal doesn’t have to be confirmed to have probable cause either. A call of a subject appearing suspicious looking into parked cars is plenty of probable cause. Research it.

      1. If Kelly was sitting on a bench per wit statements, how did cops derive PC from that? Answer is, they couldn’t put him with casing cars or burgs! Just factless ass-umptions, that is all they are! They would have created the evidence for auto burgs just as they did their justifications for killing Kelly!

  66. #137 Mister asleep.

    He was a drug addict. Really? Tell us how you know this. I saw Kelly quite often and he was incapable of anything more than survival. And that was achieved through the kind support of people in the communities he frequented. How did he afford to buy these supposed drugs you speak of? Pan handle? No… to detached from reality to organize that? His dad gave him drug money so he could get high? Answer yes and your head will shrink…even more.

    Bow out Mr. shrunken head

      1. Mister, you are one of those people who deserve a healthy dose of dementia, then come tell us what that feels like…to be handicapped!

  67. #144 dreaming

    Death row won’t happen here. How about 15 to life for any cop that watched and didn’t try to save Kelly. 35 to life for anyone that struck Kelly?

    That should set a precedent to everyone in LE. What a calming effect that would have on our interactions with LE.

  68. In china government with police force just rob peoples’ land everyday to build new ghost town and skyscrapers but in america police just kill people in the street or judges let go racist offenders into the streets. After all american dark quality is really equal to chinese just like Hitlers germany was equal to Stalins russia at the time.

  69. The first time I stole so that I wouldn’t starve, yes. I lost many assumptions about the simple nature of right and wrong. And when I traveled, I learned the fear before a crime and the thrill of success. But I never became one of them

  70. Endure, police officers. Take it. They’ll hate you for it, but that’s the point of the police, they can be the outcast. They can make the choice that no one else can make, the right choice.

  71. SOMETHING IS ASS BACKWARDS, A CHILD MOLESTER WHO HAS KILLED LITTLE KIDS DOESN’T GET THIS KIND OF BEATING (EVEN THAT WOULD BE UNDERSTANDABLE)
    THEY JUST KILLED A HUMAN BEING BECAUSE THEY COULD,BELONG IN THE PRISONS GENERAL POPULATION THEY DO

  72. THEY NEED TO BE TESTED FOR STEROID ABUSE, AN/OR ALCOHOL/DRUGS ,THEY HAD TO KNOW
    THE CAMERA WAS THERE, YET GOING TO STICK TO THE STORY THAT THEY FEARED FOR THEIR LIVES ALL 46 OF THEM, IT HAS BEEN KNOWN THAT ONE HOMELESS PER5ON WITH ANY SORT OF DISORDER CAN SURELY TAKE OUT 44 FULLY GEARED OFFICER WITH A BLINK OF AN EYE.
    AND JERRY BROWN AND OTHERS BEFORE HIM WANT TO FUND HIGHER EDUCATION FOR ILLEGAL STUDENTS, AND AT THE SAME TIME RAISE MY TAXES,AGAIN AND I AM NOT REMEMBERING,WHY NOT MAYBE USE LITTLE THAT MONEY FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, OR HELL MAYBE EVEN SOME COURT ORDERED ANGER MANAGEMENT CLASSES FOR FPD.

    1. Looking into cars is NOT a crime! Show me the penal code section that says it is! No crime statute for looking into cars renders moot your thesis for reasonable suspicion or probable cause!

  73. The atrocious act of these 6 animals disgusts me to no end. This is NOT what they are hired by us the people to do.
    They need to be prosecuted to the full extend of the law and their life ruined, just as they ruined this families lives !
    My heart goes out to the family of Kelly Thomas, may your son be at peace now and fly with the angels.

  74. It makes me very upset how this “officers”, whom I will call powertripping losers, are on a Paid Leave.
    They do something that is clearly unacceptable and they get time off ???
    Paid by our taxes ! We should demand that paid leave be taken off of them.
    We dont want to reward criminal behaviour with our taxes.

  75. I don’t think Kelly had anything on him except stuff he fished out of the trash can at the Santa Fe Depot. Of course FPD won’t admit that.

    Somebody called in from a local business that cars were being broken into. I don’t believe that was even true.

    One of my bloggers is doing a post on the call that went in that night.

    1. I think this is right. Apparently all they found in Kelly’s backpack was some old mail that was not addressed to him. That’s all the “property” he had on him which the FPD has since been using to justify their actions. Some old mail fished out of a trash can. What an outrage.

      1. Doesn’t matter what Kelly had in his backpack! Cops can’t prove where Kelly got it from, and they surely didn’t have a warrant or probable cause to search it! Burden of Proof is on the moronic cops!

  76. #184 Mister in a coma

    Probable cause relates to the commission of a crime. If a crime has been reported and the suspect fits a witness description, or LE sees someone in the process of committing a crime, then there is probable cause. Now try to follow the logic here.
    1) LE receives info that someone fitting Kelly’s description is looking in car windows. LE has not observed Kelly committing a crime.
    2) Looking in car windows is not a crime.
    3) Therefore no probable cause that a crime had been committed.
    4) The most LE could legally do at that point might be to ask Kelly what he was up to. And Kelly would have been within his legal right to ignore them and walk off with no recourse from LE.

  77. There was a similar case in GA. An 18 year old austistic boy was tazed and beat, coverup ensused. Officers and the chief eventually resigned and the family received a hefty settlement. And this kid only got a few bruises and a chipped tooth: http://t.co/NO8vGHJ

    1. Fullerton Police Dept. Has A History

      The Fullerton PD may have a history with police brutality.  You can read the FPD’s own Internal Affairs department complaint containing allegations of brutality and theft against FPD Officer Cary Tong on Orange Juice.com

      NEW VIDEO:

      Ron Thomas says the large Fullerton Police officer seen making arrests in this video is the same one who was involved in the incident with his son, Kelly Thomas.

      ********WARNING GRAPHIC LANGUAGE********

    1. The blue code of silence is a fraud. Brother officers will shank you in the back as soon as look you in the eye. The code is to present an appearance that they stand together in everything. Only those who wake up to the reality of what the code is, have nothing to do with it. Cops who buy in to this line of thinking are the same ones who fail to realize they are nothing but a badge number, a warm body filling a spot. They give everything to being a cop all the while forsaking their families. Why there is such a high divorce rate amongst cops!

  78. TO: Fedupwithmorons

    Did you read the book/see the movie,
    “Serpico”? About what the cops did to a cop that broke the code. True story

    1. Yes John, I saw Serpico. I also saw him speak at a community meeting back in the 80’s. We need more cops of his ilk policing the bad ones.

  79. Deaf man sues Tampa officers, claiming excessive force
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    YouTube video (adult content)By KEITH MORELLI | The Tampa Tribune
    Published: August 03, 2011
    Updated: August 03, 2011 – 6:22 PM
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    A deaf man this week filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against four Tampa police officers, saying they used excessive force when they dragged him outside an Ybor City nightclub, threw him into a bench and repeatedly punched and kicked him.

    One of the officers was undercover, so Jacob P. Cowie didn’t know at first he was being subdued by police, said his attorney Michael Maddux. Furthermore, he said, his client is deaf and didn’t hear whether the officers had identified themselves.

    The incident occurred on Feb. 7, 2010, outside Gaspar’s Grotto on Seventh Avenue.

    Maddux said the conflagration was over something that happened inside the bar. Ultimately, Cowie was not taken to jail, but given a notice to appear in misdemeanor court on a charge of disorderly conduct. Court records show the charge eventually was dropped.

    “There were four officers involved,” Maddux said. “The undercover officer grabbed our client, slung him into a bench and really hurt him before other officers jumped on him.”

    The officers named in the suit are: Joseph J. Reese, Gregory J. Pryor, Jayson G. Uriarte and John R. Gustafson.

    The incident was investigated by internal affairs, which cleared the officers of the excessive force allegations.

    Tampa police declined to comment on the lawsuit.

    “We don’t comment on pending litigation,” said department spokeswoman Andrea Davis.

    The lawsuit says that in addition to the punching and kicking, the officers repeatedly used a stun gun to subdue Cowie, who required surgery to repair damage to his left shoulder. He also suffered fractured bones around his eye.

    Maddux is seeking compensatory and punitive damages and a jury trial

    1. Time to STAND UP and express your concern to the local level.

      Those that already have, do it again.
      BE LIKE A CRAZY EX-BOY/GIRLFRIEND
      I agree the White-house and Sacramento could care less.
      But these local bozos will care.
      Also keep contacting the local media!!!!

  80. Corrupt cops from website copblock:

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    Posted on August 02, 2011. Tags: cop block, copblock.org, Corruption, Drug war, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisville KY, New York, St. Louis MO, StopTheDrugWar.org
    A sheriff whose alleged theft from the evidence room might be excused, a prison guard who also heads a violent biker gang, another prison guard with dope and an eye for the ladies, a pill peddling suburban cop, and a bribe-taking small town cop all make the rogues’ gallery this week. Let’s get to it:
    In Ashford, Georgia, the Turner County sheriff is under a criminal investigation by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation over allegations he removed a large amount of marijuana from his department evidence room and gave it to a friend who is a cancer patient. Sheriff Roy Wiley has been keeping a low profile since the investigation began July 8. Wiley allegedly instructed one of his officers to take the pot so he could give it to the friend with cancer. The GBI won’t confirm that, but they did acknowledge they are investigating Wiley.
    In Louisville, Kentucky, a state prison guard was arrested was arrested July 12 on federal murder and racketeering charges, and he allegedly heads the Louisville chapter of a violent, drug-funded motorcycle gang, too. Carlos Wesley “Pit Bull” Rose, 48, was arrested on evidence that he conspired in gang activities and acquired materials for a pipe bomb to kill members of a rival motorcycle club in Chicago. His arrest was one of 18 arrests of Wheels of Soul members in a two-year investigation charging them with various acts of violence, robbery, drug trafficking and extortion in four cities across the Midwest. The Wheels are a biker gang operating in at least 20 states. Rose worked as a guard at the Kentucky State Reformatory in La Grange beginning in 2006.
    In Hempstead, New York, a Hempstead police officer was arrested July 20 on charges he was peddling pain pills. Brian Jones, 38, a nine-year veteran of the force, allegedly sold oxycodone and oxymorphone tablets to a confidential informant on two separate occasions in May, and had more than a half-ounce of oxycodone tablets in his vehicle when he was arrested. He is charged with second degree criminal sale of a controlled substance, four counts of third degree criminal sale of a controlled substance, fifth degree criminal sale of a controlled substance and third degree criminal possession of a controlled substance. He has been suspended without pay and faces up to 10 years in prison if convicted.
    In Frankfort, Kentucky, a guard at a women’s prison was arrested last Friday on dozens of charges he sexually abused prisoners and supplied drugs to them. Sgt. James Johnson, serving at the Kentucky Correctional Institute for Women in Peewee Valley, went down after a brief investigation occasioned by a complaint filed against him. He was arrested at the Frankfort state police quarters, and faces 25 counts of second-degree sexual abuse, 50 counts of official misconduct, one count of second-degree trafficking in a controlled substance and one count of first-degree promoting contraband. At last report, he was being held at the Shelby County Detention Center Friday night.
    In St. Louis, a former Bridgeton police officer was sentenced July 21 to two years in prison for taking a $5,000 bribe and obstructing a federal law enforcement investigation. Scott Haenel went down in an FBI sting in which he agreed to cooperate in a money laundering scheme involving drug money, and was paid for his help. That money came from the FBI. He also used his official position to tell his co-conspirators that DEA agents and local police were going to search his residence and tell them to get the cash out of there before the officers arrived. He pleaded guilty in April to one felony count each of accepting a bribe and obstruction of justice.

  81. Armed and dangerous…with a flipflop. Killed a k-9, the one call Lt was drunk and partying, and now we have to endure this clown as captain at Norwalk station:
    Deandre Brunston

    Deandre “Trey” Brunston, a 24 year old African-American, who resided in Compton, Los Angeles County, California, was shot 22 times by Los Angeles County Sheriff’s deputies on August 24, 2003.[1]

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    Report details misconduct by L.A. County sheriff’s deputies

     
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    By Robert Faturechi, Los Angeles Times
    Fri Aug 5 2011 12:00 AM
    The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department watchdog released a report Thursday cataloging several serious examples of deputy misconduct, including one case in which a deputy shot at a motorist who bumped his car at a fast-food restaurant and another in which a deputy covered up a shooting that occurred during a foot pursuit.

    The Office of Independent Review compiles the list each year. Officials said that they have not detected an increase in misconduct cases but that it was important to publicize the wrongdoing of officers in hopes of reducing such incidents.

    “It gives the whole profession a black eye,” said Michael Gennaco, head of the Office of Independent Review. “We expect our law enforcement officers to enforce laws, not break them.”

    In the incident at the fast-food restaurant, a deputy in a McDonald’s heard his car alarm go off and went outside to find that the vehicle had been hit. He and the other driver agreed to exchange information, but the other driver didn’t want to alert police, prompting the deputy to pull his gun out and tell the driver he was a cop.

    The other driver, surprised by the statement, got back in his car and drove off.

    As the car pulled away, the deputy fired several rounds at it. The man wasn’t struck, but his car was.

    When investigators arrived, the deputy claimed he had reached into the other car while the other driver was trying to flee, and was dragged 15 feet before he started firing. The incident, however, was caught on tape, showing that he wasn’t dragged. The deputy, a new hire then still on probationary status, was fired after he refused to cooperate with an investigation into the August 2010 incident in Stevenson Ranch.

    A sheriff’s spokesman said a case was presented to prosecutors, who declined to file charges, citing insufficient evidence. The Sheriff’s Department refused to release the former deputy’s name, or those of any other deputies whose misconduct was mentioned in the report.

    In another case, a deputy was on patrol when she spotted a man who matched the description of a burglary suspect. When she started questioning him, he bolted but was eventually arrested by other deputies. In her report, the deputy made no mention that she discharged her weapon during the chase. But when the suspect was at the station talking to a watch commander, he asked if “a deputy could shoot at him if he wasn’t carrying a gun,” the report said.

    Investigators located witnesses who said they heard a gunshot, and they eventually found a bullet casing. The deputy resigned before her interview. Despite almost a dozen witnesses and ballistics evidence, prosecutors declined to file charges. According to the report, prosecutors said they couldn’t prove the deputy didn’t accidentally shoot her gun.

    The report also cited the case of a deputy who placed a male minor in a headlock and escorted him down a staircase and out of a courthouse. The deputy’s rationale: “to prevent a physical altercation,” according to the report.

    The incident began when the deputy put his hand on the youth’s shoulder and told him his clothes were inappropriate for court. The boy, a defendant in a battery case, became agitated and told the deputy not to touch him. Soon after, the youth was convicted, and the deputy, worried that he would become hostile, told him to leave. The youth questioned why he had to, before starting to walk away. The deputy caught up and put the boy in the headlock.

    The deputy was found to have used excessive force and was suspended for two days.

    The incidents of misconduct were detailed in the Office of Independent Review’s annual report, which discussed a number of subjects, including Taser use, in-custody suicide attempts and the slow pace of investigations into deputy shootings and use of force.

    Also mentioned was an on-duty deputy who stopped at a spa in the middle of his shift. His midday foray was spoiled when sheriff’s vice deputies entered the massage parlor for a license check, an operation in response to growing complaints about spas fronting as prostitution dens.

    When confronted later by supervisors, according to the report, the deputy said the massage was for a work-related back injury. He was suspended.

    Both Gennaco and sheriff’s spokesman Steve Whitmore emphasized that the reports on misconduct cases are examples of department transparency and have helped address departmental problems before.

    “Out of the 18,000 employees, the majority, scores of them … day in and day out, do their job above and beyond the call of duty,” Whitmore said.

    Other cases detailed include that of a jailhouse deputy who was suspended after allegations that he asked an inmate to have his visiting girlfriend “show me her” breasts, and that of two deputies who locked a third in the back seat of a patrol car for 20 minutes after she had delayed giving them a ride.

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  83. There will be ” transparency”, when the idiot Whitmore stops lying by saying the cops don’t lie, and when the DA starts prosecuting more of these bad cops! How bad does this have to get before something is done?

    Fullerton should set up it’s own oversight board and do it quickly!

    1. I have involved with investigating LASD misconduct issues for a few years now. A couple of those cases have involved excessive force resulting in the death of someone. If you want to see how bad LASD is and how they really don’t take misconduct seriously, read the LAOIR reports on their website.

      Nomad, you have no clue how these supporters make me feel. You don’t see any of them chasing me around on this board with their bs do you?

    2. Remember people, small snippet of information: to file a false police report is a felony! Every officer on scene had to, or should have written his own individual reports as to their part in the incident. Too many similarities in these reports would show plagiarism, and the fining tuning of these reports to coincide with the videos. Be cognizant of what the written words in this incident are.

  84. I’ve read many of the news stories about and reactions to
    the Kelly Thomas murder and think that something very disturbing is taking
    place. The larger, more systemic, and disturbing issue is a lack of self
    restraint, self discipline, and possibly training of some in law enforcement.
    While I respect the fact that their duty is to serve and to protect, reactions
    to situations by some officers often go too far and there is a mentality of
    react first and ask questions later which leads to these types of unfortunate
    situations. From what I’ve read, many times fellow officers who speak out about
    misconduct are ridiculed or censured.
    This mentality marginalizes and calls into question the ability of officers to do what they were sworn to do. My brother
    is a schizophrenic and I often worry about his safety. It pains and saddens me
    to learn that out of six trained officers, not one stepped in to intervene in a
    situation that ultimately resulted in Kelly’s death. This tragic and avoidable
    event does not help to affirm any trust by a public they are sworn to protect.
    There does not seem to be enough accountability for the actions taken by those in
    law enforcement and not enough policing of the police and unfortunately much of
    this responsibility has fallen on the public. This should also serve as a
    cautionary warning to those in law enforcement that wherever you go and
    whatever you do, we’ll be watching you.

  85. Use of force continuum- how it is supposed to be done:

     
    The Use-of-Force Continuum

    Most law enforcement agencies have policies that guide their use of force. These policies describe a escalating series of actions an officer may take to resolve a situation. This continuum generally has many levels, and officers are instructed to respond with a level of force appropriate to the situation at hand, acknowledging that the officer may move from one part of the continuum to another in a matter of seconds.
    An example of a use-of-force continuum follows:
    Officer Presence — No force is used. Considered the best way to resolve a situation.
    The mere presence of a law enforcement officer works to deter crime or diffuse a situation.
    Officers’ attitudes are professional and nonthreatening.
    Verbalization — Force is not-physical.
    Officers issue calm, nonthreatening commands, such as “Let me see your identification and registration.”
    Officers may increase their volume and shorten commands in an attempt to gain compliance. Short commands might include “Stop,” or “Don’t move.”
    Empty-Hand Control — Officers use bodily force to gain control of a situation.
    Soft technique. Officers use grabs, holds and joint locks to restrain an individual.
    Hard technique. Officers use punches and kicks to restrain an individual.
    Less-Lethal Methods — Officers use less-lethal technologies to gain control of a situation.
    (See Deciding When and How to Use Less-Lethal Devices. )
    Blunt impact. Officers may use a baton or projectile to immobilize a combative person.
    Chemical. Officers may use chemical sprays or projectiles embedded with chemicals to restrain an individual (e.g., pepper spray).
    Conducted Energy Devices (CEDs). Officers may use CEDs to immobilize an individual. CEDs discharge a high-voltage, low-amperage jolt of electricity at a distance.
    Lethal Force — Officers use lethal weapons to gain control of a situation. Should only be used if a suspect poses a serious threat to the officer or another individual.
    Officers use deadly weapons such as firearms to stop an individual’s actions.
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    Date Created: August 4, 2009

  86. YOU’VE HEARD SUSAN SHROEDER

    NOW THE TRUTH WITHOUT THE MASK!!!

    “We interviewed about 80 people and not one of them has said Kelly was resisting arrest or in any way a threat to the police, so we will continue to interview more people till we get that ONE or TWO persons who will be obscenely supportive of the rogue cops so that we can parade them as our basis for dismissing the case or for prosecuting on lesser charges. It is true that while we have more than overwhelming evidence for an arrest warrant on these rogue cops and the fact that arrest warrants are issued ALL THE TIME based on just ONE witness and NO VIDEO evidence, but we are working hard to protect the police because we would hate it if we stop getting invitations to Union and Police barbeques among other events. Plus, the police are like a silent mob, so we don’t want to do anything that can cause them to be irritated with us or retaliate against the DA office by not cooperating on other cases or targeting the agents for excessive moving violations.

    Additionally, we are have so many people on this case and investigating very hard because we want to find ANY evidence that will hopefully be on the side of the rogue cops–I’m sure if we look hard enough we will find it. We will run toxicology reports to see if anything was in his system. While it wouldn’t make a difference on the cause of death since to anyone with half a brain could figure it out just by watching the video, but at the very least we would have some ammunition to taint this poor man’s image so that people (jury) are not as sympathetic to him, but more sympathetic to the rogue cops. Heck, if we find high levels of any drug in his system, we can always find a doctor to say on stand that helped lead to his death. Anyways, please give us more time to find ANY evidence to support the rogue cops we can”

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      Family sues Brea in police-shooting death
      By MICHAEL MELLO

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      The family of a Yorba Linda man shot dead by a Brea police detective last year has filed a lawsuit against the city of Brea, saying police used unreasonable force against Julian Collender.

      The unarmed 25-year-old died after Detective Shawn Neel fired a single bullet from his .223-caliber rifle, according to official reports of the incident. Police say Collender had shone a light into Neel’s car and acted threateningly; Collender’s family said he simply was returning home from running errands when he was confronted.

      “Julian was unarmed and was complying with the officers’ directions to surrender,” the lawsuit says about the June 30, 2010 incident. “The use of deadly force … was both unconstitutional and violated clearly established law that would have been known to any reasonable police officer.”

      The lawsuit, filed recently in federal court in Santa Ana, seeks unspecified damages.

      “The city believes it acted properly and intends to defend against the lawsuit vigorously,” said Craig Fox, assistant city attorney for Brea. Yorba Linda has a police-services contract with Brea.

      The police say Collender had committed an armed robbery earlier in the evening and was acting threateningly toward the detective, shining a flashlight into Neel’s car before driving away and returning. When that happened, according to Neel’s statements to investigators, he pointed the gun at Collender and fired, he said, when Collender reached toward his left pants pocket. Authorities say Neel identified himself as a police officer and ordered Collender to surrender before firing.

      The lawsuit contends Collender had neared his home in his car when a police car’s lights turned on.

      “Julian stopped his car in the middle of the street and left his car,” the suit says. “In response to police commands, Julian stopped, turned, and raised his arms in the air.” Neel fired while Collender’s arms were in the air, the family’s attorneys say. The lawsuit does not specify whether this information came from witnesses or other sources.

      After hearing the gunshot, Collender’s parents, Richard and Yen Collender, went outside, where they were handcuffed and detained by police, leaving cuts and bruises on their wrists, according to the lawsuit.

      “For officer safety, persons in the Collender residence were handcuffed,” Fox responded. “The residence was later searched. The police located the weapon used in the robbery, as well as drugs and the property reported stolen.”

      Collender’s family and supporters have insisted that he posed no threat to officers that night. A District Attorney’s Office report said there was “insufficient evidence” to show that Neel’s actions were criminal.

      Collender’s death touched a nerve with the public, which flooded Yorba Linda City Hall during a City Council meeting one night to demand answers.

      Members of the Collender family have staged several public protests and attended Yorba Linda council meetings, outraged by what they said was the unwillingness of authorities to release details of the shooting.

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  87. The lawyer suing the city needs to file what is called a “Pitchess Motion.”. In a high profile case such as this there is no reason a judge would not approve the officer’s personnel records being released for trial.

    Second thought, it would appear that Fullerton has the city of Bell type of corruption going on. Cronies defending each other usually have a lot to hide, starting with city finances. Demand an audit, put pressure on the council, city manager, mayor et al. Recall them if they don’t comply with the wishes of the People!

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