Thin Skin Flory is Horrified


If you are going to get involved in politics developing a thick skin is essential. If you can’t take the heat, well you know. Here is Jan Flory attacking Travis Kiger for having the temerity to be “webmaster” for the award-winning FFFF blog.

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It’s interesting to see how Jan Flory thinks this blog  has some issue “strong, older women” (i.e. her). That’s wrong, of course.

It couldn’t possibly be that our antipathy with Mrs. Flory is because she has always been a mean, vindictive harpy with a trail of votes that have cost the taxpayers of Fullerton a fortune, now could it?

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  1. #1 by The Fullertonista on August 27, 2012

    No outrage about police brutality + maximum outrage about being called a bitter bag of bile = a bitter bag of bile.

    • #2 by DQ on August 27, 2012

      and we expected no less from this zombie….. sigh….

    • #3 by DQ on August 27, 2012

      Here’s some more police brutality for “ginny” to close her eyes to:

      Police Beat The Hell Out Of Restrained Man Crying I Quit, I Quit, I Quit
      Monday, August 27, 2012 3:30

      Anaheim police are unknowingly videotaped committing shocking police brutality choking and beating a man repeatedly as he screams I quit.

      The drunk man in the video initially resisted arrest and was taken down the police.

      But after he was restrained the police are seen choking the man and taking turnings socking the man in the face repeatedly over several minutes as he screams I quit, I quit, I quit.

      Pretty intense. Police brutality? Well, duh… but you can rest assured nothing will happen to the officers in this video.

      http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/08/police-beat-the-hell-out-of-restrained-man-crying-i-quit-i-quit-i-quit-2457844.html

      • #4 by Real Liberal on August 27, 2012

        Maybe Greg Diamond will show up to negotiate with the Anaheim police. I’m sure they will reach a satisfactory compromise, like a limit of 6 broken facial bones per suspect.

        • #5 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

          Have Anaheim PD take ever FPD? Naaaaaa

        • #6 by Greg Diamond on August 27, 2012

          What a weird thing for you to say.

          • #7 by Stanley Fiala on August 27, 2012

            “What a weird thing for you to say”………. Hmmmmm

            Only the weirdos respond to allegedly weird statements.

      • #8 by Tuco Ramirez on August 27, 2012

        DQ please follow this story up with more info in the next few days/weeks. Thanks.

        • #9 by DQ on August 27, 2012

          I will. This kind of stuff just enrages me! All those fucking thugs need to be thrown into the streets filled with “the people” and let them get pummeled EXACTLY like they did to this guy. Thank God someone had the balls to video tape this stuff — thugs like this just give us more reason to arm-up. An arena would work — then all the thug “cops” nation-wide could be given their rewards… grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

          • #10 by Anonymous on August 28, 2012

            Got to love the police state we live in. Anaheim PD is 100% Nazi goons.

            When the police use biological weapons on U.S citizens, the media refers to as “Pepper spray”

            When the evil Syrian army uses pepper spray, the media actors call them “USING BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE!”

    • #11 by TimeWillTell on August 27, 2012

      Because you won’t post this chicken-shit Bushala this is just for you………….I didn’t know what a threat Jan Flory was to you until now. Experience has taught you nothing.

      • #12 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 27, 2012

        Guess you’re the one who experience has taught nothing. Imbecile!

        • #13 by TimeWillTell on August 27, 2012

          Experience has taught me plenty and when you have know Bushala for 20 years plus and seen him and his worst, you will too.

          • #14 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 28, 2012

            Sounds like to me the only thing your 20 years of association with Tony Bushala has taught you is consuming jealousy. Can’t stay away from his blog? You’re obsessed.

    • #15 by truckdriver on August 27, 2012

      I was a senior maint. worker making $20 an hour, I paid $32 to medical, $14 to dental, $7 to vision, $7 to dues, and $149.00 to PERS (half of what the city puts in) per check. I’m a rich man!!! I figured it out and got out of fullerton and got a better paying job driving a truck delivering to northern cali. Paid medical, 401K (match what i put in).The city of fullerton is the worst city in O.C. in pay, benefits, and retirement.

    • #16 by Moron on August 27, 2012

      God damn! You FFFFers are just fricken ridiculous!!!

  2. #17 by Hollis Dugan on August 27, 2012

    Election season after election season we have to put up with candidates for city council coming to the microphone during campaign season blabbering about whatever nonsense they can conjure up to sound relevant. Jan Flory has been out of sight and out of mind for years. She should remain there.

    Suddenly she speaks at every council meeting. I guess the next 90 day will be a painful reminder of why we voted her out the last time. The biggest difference this time will be the public safety unions who demanded her departure last time will be funding her campaign this time. Well, times have changed in some respects but expect the same result at the ballot box.

  3. #18 by Violently Curious on August 27, 2012

    After watching this video, she really is a bitter bag of bile!

  4. #19 by Chris on August 27, 2012

    Oh man I wanted to hear the responce to her BS!

  5. #20 by truthseeker on August 27, 2012

    It’s called the first amendment so deal with it. Too bad Ms. Fluoride.

  6. #21 by fullertonchange on August 27, 2012

    That 3 minutes allowed how self-centered she is shine through perfectly. Started her comment mentioning her anniversary last week, because of course a room full of people there to discuss a murder and a cover up care about the special days in Ms. Flory’s life. She then spent 3 solid minutes nagging and whining about how she isn’t a nag. Then wrapped it up with personal insults to Councilman Kiger and his mother, which to me was embarrassing to sit through. I felt almost sorry for her, but then ashamed that we have elected that woman, and scared that she is actually up for a seat again, and all that overcame my pity for her.

    This woman is everything that is wrong with our local government today. Selfish. Dishonest. Not bright enough to understand how poorly she is presenting herself. The last thing Fullerton needs is a step backwards such as Jan Flory.

    SAY NO TO FLORY AND BANKHEAD!

  7. #22 by anon, this time on August 27, 2012

    What a fucking cunt!
    Self righteous, arrogant, pompous, …and that snide smirking crack about Travis’ mommy not breast feeding him enough was an invitation to a no-holds-barred street fight. Please take it to her harder than ever, make her weep and regret the day she re-entered the race.

    • #23 by Fullerton Lover on August 27, 2012

      I hope that I’m only pointing out the obvious with a couple of observations.

      The first of which is that when you point a finger at someone, as Jan Flory did at Travis Kiger’s mom about not enough breast feeding, you have three directly pointing back at yourself.

      Or as Shakespeare summarized, “Me thinks doest protest too loudly”

      Does anyone out there other than myself not want to point out that Jan Flory’s breasts look like her kids must have endured a famine?

  8. #24 by truthseeker on August 27, 2012

    She boasts about her 40+ years of marriage and isn’t she a divorce attorney? What a way to make a living -aiding and abetting the wholesale destruction of the family.

  9. #25 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

    Wow. What an angry, mean, thin-skinned old battleaxe. The baby boomers are a very spoiled, pampered generation of people who think that the world revolves around them. So this behavior is not uncommon. It would be so refreshing for one of them to approach the microphone and acknowledge that some of the descriptions tossed in their direction are accurate and that they are working on correcting their weaknesses instead of lashing out and blaming everyone else.

    Hello??? Any possiblity of finding some level-headed, humble, mature adults with a sense of humor in the audience?

  10. #26 by Wrong Guy on August 27, 2012

    This Jan Flory is HORRIFYING!

  11. #27 by E-TICKET on August 27, 2012

    This woman is clueless, an exquisite example of individuals who deflect their own shortcomings and ignorant choices. Mr keiger’s affiliation with FFFF is transparent. One cannot say the same for others who clearly have hidden agenda’s and self-interests motivated by pressure and contributions by those groups, unions and parties that are placing this city’s future in jeopardy (and have been for decades). This IS the age of transparency. And with it comes absolute accountability for ones actions, choices and yes – mistakes. Flory flubs on this platform. Her performance records speaks for itself – from financial policy to rubber stamping FPD and public safety contracts with outrageous benefits and absolutely no provisions for accountability. Her actions and choices made while in office here have directly contributed to the absolute state of disrepair this city is in today.

  12. #28 by Wrong Guy on August 27, 2012

    May the “Horses Ass” be with HER…

    • #29 by DQ on August 27, 2012

      lol I don’t think she can get away from it — it’s kinda attached lol

  13. #30 by Policy Updates from Acting Chief Hughes on August 27, 2012

    August 24, 2012
    These policy updates are effective immediately and will be incorporated into the Policy Manual during the next update. Changes are typed in bold italics.

    http://www.cityoffullerton.com/civica/inc/displayblobpdf.asp?blobID=8402

    • #31 by DQ on August 27, 2012

      309.2 Policy
      (e) The EMDT Device generally should not be used as an impact weapon.

      Well no shit, ya think?! If you have to tell these thugs that, they need NOT be in their current job!

      Directive #12-15
      Employees are expected to maintain sufficient competency to properly perform their
      duties… (NO MORE ALL-YOU-CAN-EAT BUFFETS! LOL)

      Directive #12-17 PIO Responsibilities
      During a critical incident, including when an officer’s conduct is under scrutiny, all public responses should be made either by the Chief of Police, a Division Commander or by a city official. (CUZ WE CAN COVER OUR OWN ASSES BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE!)

      AND FINALLY, FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT VALUE IT DOES PROVIDE….

      Directive #12-18 Guidelines for Foot Pursuits
      (CAN YOU JUST SEE THE BOWLS FULL OF JELLY RUNNING AFTER SOMEONE? AND “NOT” FALL DOWN LAUGHING?)
      {think a certain organization president…. lmao…)

    • #32 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

      So where is the change? Those are common sense. Nothing different.

  14. #33 by Kelly Thomas case: Will a third officer be charged? on August 27, 2012

    • #34 by Kelly Thomas case: Will a third officer be charged? on August 27, 2012

      “Tony Rackauckas told me ‘I still haven’t forgotten about that other guy,’” said Kelly Thomas’ father, Ron Thomas, who said the remark was a reference to Joe Wolfe.

      Thomas said he expects the DA will eventually charge Wolfe too, and that Rackuackas made the comment to him at a Friday, August 24 pre-trial hearing for Ramos and Cicinelli.

      • #35 by One for the books on August 27, 2012

        GOOD!!!!!

      • #36 by JOHN DOE on August 27, 2012

        T-Rack wont be charging anyone else. He just wants to get Ron off his back. T-Rack is a pussy and can even make his own decisions.

    • #37 by DQ on August 27, 2012

      Excellent — let’s get this done before Jesus comes back! DA Rajackass, looks more like an aged and over-the-hill game show host — time for him to be ousted so we can get a REAL DA in there….

      • #38 by truthseeker on August 27, 2012

        I concur. He is no friend of the people.

    • #39 by TimeWillTell on August 27, 2012

      Wolfe is not getting charged. Ramos and Cicinelli will have all charges dismissed. Wait for it, it’s coming.

      • #40 by Stanley Fiala on August 27, 2012

        “Ramos and Cicinelli will have all charges dismissed.”…….. Hmmmmmm

        I agree!

        Especially when Cicinelli retained, whats appear, Esq. Diamond for an attorney. See http://www.scpr.org/news/2012/08/24/34024/kelly-thomas-case-judge-will-consider-motion-dismi/

        • #41 by Greg Diamond on August 27, 2012

          For those of you who wonder why I sometime reference Stanley’s old-school, museum quality anti-Semitism, check out the pic that he says is me.

          I still say that Cicinelli gets found guilty, as he should be.

          • #42 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

            I wonder. Proving the taser shots caused the death will be key right? Cause of death wasn’t the face shots it was the weight right? Will be interesting. He will do a year if found guilty.

            • #43 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

              Smashing in his face is more likely to be the cause of death than the taser, for three reasons: (1) directly, (2) because it may have led to his inability to breathe, and (3) because it forced Kelly to legitimately struggle for his life, which is what prompted the increase in the crushing force used to hold him down. You can say it’s only a year — well, not if I’m the one sentencing him and I have any discretion to increase it.

              Plus I’m still trying to figure out who it was on the tape that put his feet up against a car and braced his back against another officer’s back to increase the amount of force used to hold Kelly down, an act that was flat-out insane. I think that it was Cicinelli; I don’t think that anyone else there would be quite that stupid.

          • #44 by Stanley Fiala on August 27, 2012

            “museum quality anti-Semitism”……… Hmmmmmm

            Are you saying that anti-Semitism was only in the past?

            FYI, the anti-Semitism exists only in your stupid angry Semitic liberal progressive head.

            You are probably the most hated commenter here by hundreds. I wonder why?

            • #45 by The Fullertonista on August 27, 2012

              Because of his ego Stanley, and his transparent partisanship. Not for his ethnicity or religion. Obviously.

              • #46 by Stanley Fiala on August 28, 2012

                “Not for his ethnicity or religion. Obviously”……… Hmmmmm

                So why is Giolem always bringing his Semitic crapola forward?

                As to transparent partisanship?…….

                Show me a conservative i.e. Republican or Tea Party Jew and I show you for each the 1000s Jewish communists.

                However, if I would I would be anti-Semitic [NOT] anti-communist and that is what bugs me about Golem.

                Golem is racist liar!!

                • #47 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

                  The founders of libertarian philosophical thought:

                  Ayn Rand – Jewish
                  Robert Nozick – Jewish
                  Murray Rothbard – Jewish
                  Ludwig von Mises – Jewish

                  This of course means nothing. Ethnicity and religion have little to do with contemporary political philosophy. That’s going to be my last word on the subject.

              • #48 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

                Yes, because if there are two things that FFFF hates, it’s ego and partisanship.

                (Thanks though for, after a fashion, having my back!)

            • #49 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

              Stanley, you’re an old-style anti-Semite of the sort rarely found anymore in the wild. You’ve left a trail miles wide in OJB posting as “From the Exile” and other names (including your own) for anyone who wants to check it out.

              I’m actually far less inclined to call people anti-Semitic than most Jews I know. But your level of “Protocol of the Elders of Zion” inferences of dark cabals and such is amazing. You just don’t see that around much anymore.

  15. #50 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

    I think she takes issue with a sitting councilman who uses proxies to denigrate her character via a website he administers, as opposed to doing his own dirty work.

    • #51 by The Fullertonista on August 27, 2012

      Proxies? I’ve been called a lot of things, but never a proxy.

      The bitter bag of bile doth protest too much, methinks.

      • #52 by DQ on August 27, 2012

        Methinketh in agreement-eth with-eth you :)

    • #53 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

      Mr. Kiger just operates a website that caters to constituents of like mind. If you don’t like the message of FFFF – don’t read it. Does Mr. Kiger force you to read the FFFF blogs? Go to a union rally instead and hang out with your own kind.

      What’s worse? Mr. Kiger utilizing rights protected under the 1st Amendment to spread the word or some union goon following a Costa Mesa councilman and making bogus 911 calls accusing that stone-cold sober councilman of driving drunk and directing a cop to his front door AFTER he arrived home to conduct a sobriety test ON A TOTALLY SOBER MAN!!!

      • #54 by DQ on August 27, 2012

        and…. there are plenty of opposing viewpoints here, so if the bag o’ bile doesn’t like it, she is free to comment here.

        • #55 by truthseeker on August 27, 2012

          She cant stay away from us. Opposites attract just like Saturday as she couldn’t help but drive by the protest to get a glimpse of those that she could only wish she had the courage to be.

      • #56 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

        Making bogus phone calls, which is a totally unproven and already denied allegation made by someone with a long track record of lies, would be worse.

        FFFF (with $300K from Tony) took over Fullerton’s government and now wants to bring it crashing down. You really don’t get to treat it as a private salon anymore.

    • #57 by DQ on August 27, 2012

      Travis doesn’t need proxies, he can speak his own mind…. and, while I am speaking mine, I am no proxy!

    • #58 by Fullerton Lover on August 27, 2012

      Does anyone take Sharon Kennedy to task for the contents of the editorials in the Fullerton Observer?

    • #59 by Joe Sipowicz on August 28, 2012

      Denigrate her character? Ha. She does that all by herself.

  16. #60 by to hear one who comforts on August 27, 2012

    I would think Ms. Flory would see that the times are changing. How could she be so unperceptive?

    • #61 by DQ on August 27, 2012

      Everclear 180 proof I think….

  17. #62 by One for the books on August 27, 2012

    No one really NEEDS to know when her anniversary is!

    • #63 by Fullerton Lover on August 27, 2012

      Why would you spend your 47th anniversary at a City council meeting?

      “Bitter?” “Table for one, right this way.”

  18. #64 by R.D. on August 27, 2012

    I hope the bag of bile shows up tomorrow night, so I can talk about her mother. What a lowlife!

    • #65 by DQ on August 27, 2012

      We will need you to video this so we can all have our popcorn and brewskis and enjoy it :)

  19. #66 by CityStaff on August 27, 2012

    Flory was, and will be, a tool for the City staff. Her brain trust (Galvan, Chulupsky, Meyer and Dudley) likely helped her concoct her rant. Wonder why streets are not paved, parks in disrepair and the police are uncontrollable? Though, thanks to Flory the City staff pensions are safe. Vote for Flory and watch the retired City staff pensions be retroactively increased.

    • #67 by Fullerton Lover on August 27, 2012

      Note that according to Jan Flory’s website, that she is now friends with the Fullerton City Clerk, Lucinda Williams.

      I also noted that the Fullerton Police Department Public Information Officers, Andrew Goodrich and Jeff Stuart, have posted words of support on Jan Flory’s Facebook page.

  20. #68 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

    What does breastfeeding have to do with anything?

    ?

    • #69 by The Fullertonista on August 27, 2012

      Those who suck at the public teat for so long sometimes develop a rather unhealthy obsession with the sucking process.

      • #70 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

        The teat. I like teat. Yummy.

        • #71 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 27, 2012

          You moron! You’re sucking on a male, that’s no teat!
          jeezus-h-keerist!

          • #72 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

            Oh. Feels the same. Same smell as money.

            • #73 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 27, 2012

              Really! So I gather you sniff the wads of cash you find in drug dealers’ underwear. That explains a lot about you.

              • #74 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

                According to you I not only sniff the money but I take it for myself too. Yum yum. Cash smells good.

    • #75 by Fullerton Lover on August 27, 2012

      Can you honestly look at any picture of Jan Flory and tell me that her kids got a steady diet of dairy?

      • #76 by Dr. Spock on August 27, 2012

        Unlike normal mammalian females, Flurry’s glands largely produced bile. Suckling infants rejected the bitter bags and bottle-feeding followed.

      • #77 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

        Classy.

  21. #78 by Bill Hunt Must Renounce Joe Arpaio and Barbara Coe If He Want to Be Taken Seriously Once Becoming Fullerton Police Chief on August 27, 2012

    I’ve been receiving a ton of email and Facebook messages from both good and bad people in Fullerton, concerned that tomorrow, the Fullerton City Council just might replace acting Fullerton Police Department Chief Dan Hughes with former Orange County deputy sheriff Bill Hunt. Hunt is a darling of Tea Party activists and the boyos over at Friends for Fullerton’s Future for standing up to our felonious ex-sheriff Mike Carona; Hunt is scaring the shit out of those idiots who crammed the city council chambers a couple of weeks ago sporting “We (Heart) Fullerton PD” shirts (where the hell were they after the murder of Kelly Thomas?) but also good people scared of Hunt’s Tea Party affiliations and initial involvement in the Haidl gang rape fiasco.

    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/08/bill_hunt_must_renounce_joe_ar.php

    • #79 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

      Hunt is an insider just like all the rest. Don’t be fooled. He had a falling out or personality conflict with Carona and that’s why he had problems at OCSD. It wasn’t because he was a straight arrow who fought the police culture. If you believe that I got a bridge for sale. Now he’s trying to get his foot back in the door. With that said, I would personally like to see Hughes replaced with an outsider even if it was a superficial replacement that really wouldn’t change things much. Anything to shake up FPD would be a positive IMO. So I am in favor.

      • #80 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

        Agree. Best thing for Fullertin is an outside Chief. Tina Nieto LAPD would be the perfect Chief for FPD. I think the big problem for Fullerton is that all the good Chiefs won’t come close to Fullerton because it could be a 2 year job. No point in taking a temporary job when they could get their dream job elsewhere that could last 5-8 years.

    • #81 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

      But #43 – I don’t understand what the hell you’re talking about.

      So IYO the Fullerton police chief has to be an amnesty supporter so illegals can continue to swarm across the border, swipe American jobs and steal our resources?

      That’s the sort of police chief you want?

      Bizarre.

    • #82 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

      FPOA would like Hunt. Hughes back to Captain and the thought process would move to the future. Bring it.

      • #83 by DQ on August 27, 2012

        Hmmm… if the FPOA would like Hunt, we might have to rethink Hunt ;)

        • #84 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

          Ha. They would like outside I think. I think Hunt is old school though and wouldn’t be enough change for FPD.

          • #85 by DQ on August 27, 2012

            Agreed

        • #86 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

          Hunt’s an insider. You don’t think he would bend over for FPOA? Of course he would. They all take the path of least resistance. Oh, he will play the part of the sheep when on camera before the public (like Hughes has) while running with the wolves behind the scenes. You know how the game is played, don’t ya? Let’s stop being so damned naive. Your Council is going to have to take control of this mess. You just can’t rely on another appointee to solve your problems. It doesn’t work that way. He will eat you people alive. Your Council needs to pick up the ball and run with it. The Council needs the power to make heads roll when wrongdoings are committed. That’s the long and short of it. And YOU need to hold your Council ACCOUNTABLE. That’s YOUR job. And unless you do YOUR job it all falls apart at the seams.

          I am only trying to help you see the light.

          • #87 by DQ on August 27, 2012

            I agree with you 100% here.

      • #88 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

        O’Malley, does the FPOA know that you’re speaking for them?

        • #89 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

          Who is O’Malley?

        • #90 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

          And I was speaking for Porky Pig. Get it right.

  22. #91 by Tuco Ramirez on August 27, 2012

    I think the idea of an OUTSIDE police chief is excellent. Its not that I have anything against promoting from within in most organizations, I do think that is the way to go (from within) in most bureaucracies. BUT, Fullerton PD has several huge problems and the best way to handle it is with a new outside chief, not necessarily Hunt but anyone from the outside who threatens to clean house. When you know the top will not tolerate your bs, the bs usually stops (If you are smart)! Those who do not like the new chief can retire, quit, take your disability pension if you can and in this way, FPD gets cleaned up. The first step was taken, city council took the hiring of the Police Chief out of the hands of incompetent, do nothing City Manager, Joe Felz. That should look good on his resume!

    • #92 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

      I finally agree with Tuco. First time ever. I touched on it above. The good Chiefs won’t even look at Fullerton now though.

    • #93 by DQ on August 27, 2012

      I agree Tuco, and Porky — good chiefs won’t want to wade into the muck and mire of FPD. Disbanding is the only answer at this point, start over, remove the thugs.

      • #94 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

        Not really that. Many Chiefs would love that challenge. Most would. It’s the uncertainty of the future that will make them not even apply. Most don’t want a 1-2 year job that could solely be a transition job and once done they are out the door.

      • #95 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

        DQ – now you’re talking turkey, my friend!

        You folks were on that path until Sebourn screwed you over royally with his “no” vote on the OCSD bid request. He damaged your cause greatly. You MUST keep that on the front burner of your brain. You MUST oust those who tell you one thing and do the opposite. They are NOT trustworthy, nor are they your friends. YOU must take out the trash, sir. Nobody will do it for you!

        • #96 by DQ on August 27, 2012

          Taking out the trash will entail keeping the floozy off of the council, and adding more folks who have the moxie to do the job.

          • #97 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

            There ya go, DQ. I’m proud of you. You see things clearly. You have the ability to cut through the BS. Start your own group of rabble rousers and lead them. Call yourselve the “Fullerton Fumigators”. Get some t-shirts printed up and pack the Council meetings. Demand accountability and no more superficiality! Take the lead DQ! I know you can do it, man. I can tell by your posts. Lead them! Change your city!!

        • #98 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

          Justus. You have to agree our representatives are never going to vote or do everything exactly how we want them to everytime. Politicians do that everyday.

          • #99 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

            Porky – the litmus test is: Did he campaign in support and vote to reject?

            The answer is “YES”.

            He committed a mortal sin against his constituents.

            He needs to go. He is simply untrustworthy. When you need him he’ll leave you twisting in the wind.

            The citizens need LONG memories to be successful and to take their city back.

            Kiger and Whitacker are keepers.

            Sebourn is a throw-away.

            Sometimes you have to kiss a lot of toads to find a prince.

            • #100 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

              you act like that is odd for a politician. They say one thing in campaigns and do something else all the time. He played it perfect. He used Tonys money to get the seat knowing he’s set for a few years. He’s winning. Smart guy.

  23. #101 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

    I’m sitting on the toilet. FFFF is great reading material for the toilet. I thank FFFF for this free entertainment.

    • #102 by DQ on August 27, 2012

      TMI PP, TMI.

    • #103 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 27, 2012

      Look down into the water between your legs. Do you see that brown stuff down there? That’s the highlight of everything you’ll be able to accomplish in this lifetime. Retarded children, venomous ex-wives, and rabid pets are your living legacy; drowning turds are your sole accomplishments.

      • #104 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

        Amen. Amen. God bless the USA.

  24. #105 by nipsey on August 27, 2012

    Yep, yep. FFFF outing the carpetbagging, wife of a douchebag Ackerwoman — it’s all just hostility to “strong older women”.

    Also, Henrietta Sidhu, Donaldine Bankhead, Antonia Florentine, Patricia McKinley, Rosalind Chi, Lucille Bennett.. You get the idea.

    By the way, the FPD gang of six? All “strong older women”. Those bitches.

  25. #106 by Brandon on August 27, 2012

    A Tea Party-loving chief? As if things aren’t already messed up enough in Fullerton. It’s sad to see so many Tea Partyers and pretend Republicans who are afraid to stand up to them advocating for every thing our founding fathers abhorred. If we keep electing them we’ll soon have no separation of church and state and the police will probably start receiving promotions for beating and illegally harassing ethnic minorities and non-Christians.

    • #107 by Plain Glazed on August 27, 2012

      Hunt is more of a libertarian. Whatever my agreements or disagreements with his politics, I don’t think he would agree with the views you state above. The “Tea-Party” slurs are being put out there by Democratic party operatives, so I’d say ask questions but don’t rush to judgement.

    • #108 by DQ on August 27, 2012

      Look, democrats and republicans are the same, just different packaging. They screw over our country as much as possible. If we found a TRUE Libertarian, we might have a chance; Ron Paul is as deeply into Freemasonry as the rest of them; IMO, there is no one to vote for.

  26. #109 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

    Folks, many people jump on board the libertarian bandwagon to fool you into believing that they are for ‘liberty and freedom’ and for the commoner.

    Think Progress did an article that showed how more than a dozen so-called Libertarians who were elected to Congress are now on the payroll of the Wall Street banks when they ran on an anti-Wall Street platform.

    Pols are sneaky. They know that they cannot be prosecuted for telling campaign lies to you and taking your money and votes. So they lie at will. You must use your instincts when choosing a pol and when you make a mistake you must admit it and work to oust the rascal who hoodwinked you.

    Don’t tie yourself to ANY political party. That’s a big mistake. A Libertarian will lie to you just as quick as a Democrat will.

    Use your sixth sense.

    • #110 by Real Liberal on August 27, 2012

      Got a link to that article? Sounds worth a read.

  27. #111 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

    By and large the Tea Party leaders have sold out to the mainstream Republicans. All movements that represent the commoners eventually get sabotaged and dismantled. Just like they did to Occupy Wall Street. Big money ALWAYS wins in the end. Don’t ever forget that. The little people really don’t have much representation. I mean the little PRODUCTIVE people. Leeches have always had strong representation, especially since the 1960′s.

  28. #112 by Velocifloryus Rex? on August 27, 2012

    At 1:20 in the video, the two men behind Flory notice something very interesting on her back. They discuss it, point at it, and then seem to come to some kind of conclusion about what they’re seeing.

    What is it?

    Does she have scales and fins? Or is it a gaping pus-filled hole with maggots squirming around it?

    Just curious.

  29. #113 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

    I’m sure Fullerton’s large Latino population would love to have a tea bagger police chief who advocates for the deportation of their families and separating children from their parents.

    • #114 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

      Legal latinos shouldn’t have a problem with it.

      But illegal latinos should for good reason.

      All those in violation of our criminal laws should be worried about a knock on their doors.

      That is the mark of a civilized nation. If criminals no longer have to worry about getting caught we’re done as a nation.

      • #115 by DQ on August 27, 2012

        You got that right!

    • #116 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

      I know of someone who was arrested and deported back to Mexico. This same person was back in Ca. and working within 2 to 4 weeks.

  30. #117 by Chapeau on August 27, 2012

    Why didn’t Harpoony include Travis Kiger lame and evasive response? “I didn’t write those comments.” Yeah, Travis, but your the webmaster of this blog. On your council campaign website, you pointed to running this blog as a qualification for office.

    Now that you’re on the other side of the dais, you need to be more than just another blog monkey throwing turds at the crowd. When residents come before you to voice their opinion and even criticize you, they shouldn’t be nbervous about being ridiculed and defamed on the blog YOU RUN!

    Time to grow up a little, Kiger, and take some responsibility for this litter box.

    • #118 by Fullerton Lover on August 27, 2012

      This first link is the beefed up, bootlicking resume that one Jan Flory’s kids submitted to the voters…http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=mike%20flory%20fullerton&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCcQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smartvoter.org%2F2008%2F06%2F03%2Fca%2For%2Fvote%2Fflory_m%2Fbio.html&ei=H_s7UPzEE4OviALQzYCIDA&usg=AFQjCNEv_4oqr-_tBTxsRFnlth9VahQIMA

      …and here is then here is the REAL truth about the candidate…http://www.ocregister.com/articles/flory-276394-court-misconduct.html

      Once again, the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree.

    • #119 by DQ on August 27, 2012

      Look you little mad hatter, this isn’t a litter box — it’s a place for all opinions to be stated. If you don’t like it, (nazi), then stroll on down the road. Travis is doing a fine job, IMO, and he will continue to do so. Grow up yourself.

    • #120 by SherBear on August 27, 2012

      Since when does being a web host entitle one to edit and censor someone else’s blog just because they take care of the IT end of it?

      • #121 by DQ on August 27, 2012

        It doesn’t. Excellent point!

      • #122 by Chapeau on August 27, 2012

        In Travis’ own words, from his campaign website:

        “My passion for excellent local government was the impetus for my co-founding and running of the largest and most successful political website in Orange County.”

        Co-founder and operator is a lot more than “taking care of theIT end of it.”

        Sorry. He co-founded and runs this litter box. That makes him responsible for the dumps all the little kittys take here.

        • #123 by DQ on August 27, 2012

          Why don’t you just clean up after yourself and leave if you don’t like it here.

          • #124 by Chapeau on August 27, 2012

            Maybe they can file your comment under “Boo-hooism.”

            • #125 by DQ on August 27, 2012

              and maybe they’ll your whining in the “waaaaaaaaaa” file lol

            • #126 by DQ on August 27, 2012

              and maybe they’ll put your whining in the “waaaaaa” file heh heh

      • #127 by Chapeau on August 27, 2012

        More in Kiger’s own words:

        “By demanding integrity from elected officials and absolute transparency from government, our website has succeeded in filling the void left by struggling Orange County newspapers and providing unparalleled investigative reporting services proving once again, that the pen is indeed mightier than the sword.”

        For a guy who “just takes care of the IT end of things” he sure takes a lot of credit.

        • #128 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 27, 2012

          Unlike dittoheads who imitate the noises they hear in the EIB bathroom stall in THEIR blog posts, FFFF posters’ content is original and usually well reasoned. Mine being the major exception, they’re also usually respectful of others’ opinions.

          • #129 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

            You aren’t bad. You just give a little slap on the azz. Gentle.

        • #130 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

          I’d mostly just like him to be open about what he writes here. People should know if their councilman is, once he can put on a shroud of anonymity, calling an opposing candidate the likes of a drunken cheap whore.

          So far, there’s not even any denial that he writes anything beyond what is signed under his own name. Tony and Sebourn, Whitaker and Norby, too. It’s like from their perspective we have to presume that it’s immaculately conceived.

  31. #131 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

    Jan Flory complains about insults on fullertons future blog but she does the very same thing by cheap shots to Kiger during public comments.

    • #132 by Chapeau on August 27, 2012

      Kiger asked for it. He’s ringmaster of this sewer. he shouldn’t be surprised when a target of his blog heaves a few turds back at him.

      Kiger likes to take credit for the good things the 4F blog has done. He has to take ownership of all the shitty things here, too.

      • #133 by Concerned Texan on August 27, 2012

        I was under the impression that there is no “ringmaster” behind this blog. I thought I read awhile back that some judge threw out a complaint because FFFF wasn’t owned or controlled by one entity.

        • #134 by ICU on August 27, 2012

          Are you a Texas Turdblossom?

      • #135 by DQ on August 27, 2012

        Well if it’s a sewer, I guess you’re one big poop in it.

        • #136 by Chapeau on August 27, 2012

          Takes one to know one.

          • #137 by DQ on August 27, 2012

            anyone have any bug spray? I found a really big stink bug.

            • #138 by Chapeau on August 27, 2012

              Waaaah!!

              • #139 by DQ on August 27, 2012

                lol

      • #140 by cg on August 27, 2012

        How funny you seem to express yourself here. If you don’t like this blog, you have the freedom to go somewhere else. And BTW, do you eat with that mouth? Shame on you. Now go wash your mouth out with soap.

        • #141 by Chapeau on August 27, 2012

          Tolerant crowd. Break from the groupthink and they try to throw you out.

          • #142 by cg on August 27, 2012

            STOP! Now go tell Grandma Flory, that you have been bad. Cause she knows just what to do.

            • #143 by DQ on August 27, 2012

              Noooooooooooooooooooo! NOT Grandma Flory! Noooooooooo! We’ll never ever talk about poop again — PROMISE!!! ;)

              • #144 by cg on August 27, 2012

                lol, just messin with it.

                • #145 by DQ on August 27, 2012

                  really? cuz I was skeered for a little bit there…. ;)

          • #146 by ICU on August 27, 2012

            You’re too obvious. If you think you’re fooling anyone, you’re not.

      • #147 by The Fullertonista on August 27, 2012

        As a part-time blogger here:

        I’m not Travis.

        Travis has never told me what to write or what not to write.

        He doesn’t edit my posts or even comment on them usually.

        I never would think for a second that he would agree with every word I say.

        I will take ownership of every word The Fullertonista writes, but not what anybody else here writes. I think Travis was just expressing exactly the same thing. It’s not rocket science.

        • #148 by Concerned Texan on August 27, 2012

          So would you also consider Flory’s accusations of Travis being some sort of “ringleader” as false? That is what struck a chord with me in the clip.

          • #149 by The Fullertonista on August 27, 2012

            More than false. Travis never called her “a bag of bile” or “an old nag.” He never chimed in to indicate that the agreed that she was a “bag of bile” or an “old nag.” He never told anybody else to write that. How is he responsible? I mean, he could contact the bloggers and ask them to stop calling her a bag of bile etc., but he doesn’t do that, because he believes in free speech. I don’t see what he could do besides what he did at City Council: clarify that he didn’t write those comments.

            • #150 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

              How do you know? The comments are pseudonymous. Either Travis either barely comments here at all or else he writes material that sounds a whole lot like him under a pseudonym — and then (if that’s true) he gets to lie explicitly or implicitly and deny it. Same goes for Tony and others involved in the takeover of Fullerton government. We don’t KNOW whether Travis or Tony personally called Flory a “bag of bile,” an “old nag,” or so much more — or applauded someone else who did so. Last I’ve seen, they’re not saying.

          • #151 by DQ on August 27, 2012

            Interesting that “ringleader” accusation should be considered at all; I just let all her ravings and rantings fly right by and into the toilet…

            • #152 by Concerned Texan on August 27, 2012

              It just seems like certain political figures, or posters around here are continually trying to assign complete blame to the villain du jour. I mean, first TONY writes everything, and now TRAVIS writes everything. I think the ringleader comment is important because she is trying to put sole responsibility for the entire content on this site on Travis’ shoulders. It is ludicrous. I guess she is trying to engage Travis in one on one political combat, but her logic doesn’t quite make sense.

              • #153 by DQ on August 27, 2012

                You are totally right. She sure doesn’t like it when others like to use their right to free speech, and she’s really grasping for straws at this point.

              • #154 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

                Then Tony and Travis can start by denying it.

                Oh well, maybe the voters will agree that just HAPPENING TO BE founders of a group where political birds of a feather attack the same people (often political opponents) viciously from behind the protection of pseudonyms doesn’t mean that they should be PERSONALLY suspected of doing so — heaven forfend!

                Yeah, that might work. Or not.

  32. #155 by Concerned Texan on August 27, 2012

    “Today I’m here to support myself.” That says it all to me. I actually caught myself laughing at that statement. I think she doesn’t have a clue as to how she presents herself to others.

  33. #156 by Stanley Fiala on August 27, 2012

    Costa Mesa councilman says unions behind DUI check.

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/righeimer-369488-police-city.html

    Upland law firm of Lackie, Dammeier & McGill. The firm had represented the Costa Mesa Police Association until late this week.

    IS THE FPD UNION REPRESENTED BY THE ABOVE LAW FIRM?

    • #157 by Real....tity Is on August 27, 2012

      No. They have Silver Hadden Silver Wexler. Dammier firm sues everyone they can.

    • #158 by JOHN DOE on August 27, 2012

      Michael Schwartz just joined that firm. Attorney for Cicinelli.

  34. #159 by Not Greg Diamond on August 27, 2012

    Go to bed Grandma.

    I wonder what Sharron would say if someone asked her if she used those “mommy tit’s” to feed her kids?

    Send this old hag and Siva to the showers.

    The WORST representitives of women.

    • #160 by cg on August 27, 2012

      As a middle aged woman, I agree. Trying to have a set of balls never works. Flory reminds of my Mother “Control FreaK”. Reguardless what sex you are you either have ethics or you don’t. And Flory has no ethics.

  35. #161 by van get it da artiste on August 27, 2012

    hypocrite, Flory’s indifference to the corruption going on while she served as a fullerton city council member and then as a resident of fullerton reveals her to be a self-serving , vain woman. Kiger and the FFFF wounded her vanity and that is why she spoke at the podium, and that is why she wants to be elected to fullerton’s city council . flory wants to prove to herself and others she is a vibrant, caring, ethical “older strong woman”.
    Her voice wavers because someone referred to her as a “nag” and “bitter bag of bile”. Here is a more accurate discription of flory; an old van, callously indifferent woman who as fullerton city council person was cavalier in her treatment of the Fullerton’s community.

    • #162 by van get it da artiste on August 27, 2012

      wow! did i just describe myself? Unlike flory, I know I gotsta change, quick! I meant an old “nag”

      • #163 by Van get it da artiste on August 27, 2012

        Pentimento, vain

  36. #164 by Jane H on August 27, 2012

    A strong, older woman does not boast about being a strong, older woman.

  37. #165 by DQ on August 27, 2012

    RD tsk tsk!

  38. #166 by R.D. on August 27, 2012

    I’m not the one running for office. No ethics needed here.

    • #167 by DQ on August 27, 2012

      Be nice now RD, or like CG says, you’ll have to go see Grandma Flory, and she’ll know what to do…..

  39. #168 by R.D. on August 27, 2012

    Haven’t they sent her out to pasture? Jan is next.

  40. #169 by peaches on August 27, 2012

    As an aside, I saw the new version of FPD dealing with a homeless/vagrant person this morning (about 8:45 a.m.). I had left the CVS at Harbor/Bastanchury thinking I could turn in to the Hungry Bear shopping center and reverse direction to go east on Bastanchury from Harbor.

    Couldn’t do that, so I looked for the next left turn opportunity, which turned out to be La Entrada (west side of Harbor). I saw an FPD patrol car and motor cycle as I got ready to turn on to La Entrada and saw a disheveled man on the sidewalk next to the bus bench – sleeping, dead drunk, dead, I don’t know – I just know he wasn’t moving and was on his stomach.

    I said to myself “oh s***, I really don’t want to see anything bad happen”, but as I came south the patrol officer (dark hair, anglo/hispanic, 5’8 or 5’9/medium build – DiCaprio?) was checking the man’s back pockets (for ID?) in a non-threatening manner and the man was still not moving; the motor officer was standing back, but had opened the back door of the patrol car; can’t say what the motor officer looked like because he kept his helmet on – he was much taller.

    I realize this occurred on a major street in the morning but it gives me hope that changes are happening.

    • #170 by DQ on August 27, 2012

      I wonder if they called for the paramedics — seems like if he wasn’t moving he needed some kind of help…

      • #171 by peaches on August 27, 2012

        I don’t know; I had to go for a medical treatment myself. I know some have said DiCaprio is “overweight” but this patrol officer was not overweight for his height.

        • #172 by Paul Bunyan on August 27, 2012

          Maybe it was Cpl. Selario who works with Cpl. DeCaprio. Here is DeCaprio:

          http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/orange_county&id=8733283

          • #173 by peaches on August 27, 2012

            The hair and complexion are right and he did not have a ‘stache so it wasn’t DiCaprio. He may not have been wearing the Sam Browne (?) belt because he looked thinner than this other corporal in the clip.

            I had seen the patrol car go up Harbor as I exited CVS so I’m thinking the motor cop was there first and was deferring to the patrol officer but I didn’t see the insignia so can’t say if the patrol officer was a corporal or not. Again, what I saw was non-threatening and I hope the man was okay.

          • #174 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

            And Solorio next to him.

          • #175 by JOHN DOE on August 27, 2012

            And Solorio next to him.

    • #176 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

      Great comment peaches. Thanks for sharing that.

    • #177 by Not Greg Diamond on August 27, 2012

      Luckily it’s summer. so he didn’t need socks!

      Just food, medicine and money.

    • #178 by Real....tity Is on August 27, 2012

      Too bad you couldn’t video it. These calls happen everyday. Majority of homeless get drunk everyday. So sad.

  41. #179 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

    Anonymous :
    Jan Flory complains about insults on fullertons future blog but she does the very same thing by cheap shots to Kiger during public comments.

    At least she had the balls to call him out on his bullshit in public, while our dungeons and dragons councilman hides behind his rabid fan club.

    • #180 by Dungeonmaster on August 27, 2012

      Well how would we be able to identify Gin as a Harpy or Annis if we didn’t play D&D?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:D%26DHarpy.JPG
      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5d/Annis.JPG

    • #181 by Fullerton Lover on August 27, 2012

      “Imagine my chagrin”

      I thought that “chagrin” was an interesting choice of an adjective to use by Gin Flurry to describe her reaction to FFFF posts.

      “Chagrin” is derived from the German word “Katzenjammer,” which is a German word to describe someone being hungover.

      From dialectical French chagraigner (“to be gloomy, distress”), from chat (“cat”) + Old French graim (“sorrow, gloom; sorrowful, gloomy”), from Frankish gram, a loan translation of German Katzenjammer (“drunken hang-over”), from Katzen (“cats”) + jammer (“distress, sorrow, lament”). Akin to German Gram[1], Old Norse gramr (“wroth”) (whence Danish gram), Old English grama (“anger”), grim (“grim, gloomy”) (Modern English grim).

  42. #182 by peaches on August 27, 2012

    On another note, I was talking with friends about the number of bars (over 50?) in the DTF area and I got to thinking – isn’t there some sort of ordinance in Fullerton that alcohol cannot be served within a specified distance of schools and churches?

    I know that Orange has an ordinance like that. If Fullerton doesn’t have one, perhaps they should – how many restaurants/bars serving alcohol are within a mile of the church at Lemon and Wilshire?

  43. #183 by I love Jan on August 27, 2012

    Kiger can suck it !!! he will be out soon !!!

    • #184 by I love Jam on August 27, 2012

      I use lots of exclamation marks !!! it makes me feel young !!!

    • #185 by Real....tity Is on August 27, 2012

      Dont say that. TBush gave him a job, city medical and dental, and spent $300,000 of his own cash to get Kiger in there.

      • #186 by Fullerton Lover on August 27, 2012

        The residents of Fullerton elected Travis Kiger to do the job of hitting cleaning up on the Fullerton City Council, and
        as far as I’m concerned, Travis has been hitting nothing but home runs and grand slams whenever he’s up on the dais.

        Go get em Travis!

        • #187 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

          Travis is a two-bit shit heel.

        • #188 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

          Kiger is a two-bit shit heel.

          • #189 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

            Officer, are you speaking for the FPD or just yourself?

      • #190 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

        Sssshhh! Don’t say things that are true about one of the Masters of the FFFF Universe! It will anger the congregation!

  44. #191 by Councilmen criticized for not taking DUI grantRenounce Joe Ar on August 27, 2012

    FULLERTON – Officials with Mothers Against Drunk Driving plan to criticize the City Council majority on Tuesday that voted against accepting a $50,000 state grant for sobriety checkpoints.

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/checkpoints-369710-drunk-grant.html

    • #192 by Real....tity Is on August 27, 2012

      Another mom and blue shirt packed house. Fun. Prolly first time ever a city has turned down free DUI money.

    • #193 by Real....Itty Bitty titties on August 27, 2012

      I’m sure that Jan Flory was behind calling on MADD to protest at our City Council meeting and ask them to try and ram those DUI checkpoints down our throat.

      • #194 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

        My guess would be FPOA. Free money from the gas taxes that isn’t going back to the people. Just to another PD.

      • #195 by Moron on August 27, 2012

        Travis is a tool!! He has no idea what he is doing!!! He is like a kid with a new toy!!! Just wants to play with it but doesn’t know all the rules!! Kiger u are an idiot!! You will be gone in november!! Keep it up! Kiger is a complete idiot!!!

        • #196 by Tuco Ramirez on August 27, 2012

          Is that your nickname or your real name Moron? Your posts seem to indicate you were appropriately named!

          • #197 by Fullerton Lover on August 27, 2012

            Actually, there is an intelligent and patriotic Fullerton resident that does post as The Moron…this ain’t him by a longshot!

    • #198 by Fullerton Lover on August 27, 2012

      Note that this comment was posted on the link to the MADD article in the Register by Tony Cicciarelli who is listed on the FPOA as a Fullerton Police Officer…

      “So Travis knows more than the US Supreme Court. Not only did he take FREE money away from a program that keeps the citizens of Fullerton safe, but one could argue he just made it a little less safer in Fullerton. My guess is he would think differently if he had a loved one killed by a drunk driver. Shame on him and the Council for allowing this to happen.”

      • #199 by Paul Bunyan on August 27, 2012

        We’ll see if MADD expresses how mad they are about all the DUI factories that saturate the downtown area and those who feel the downtown area would beerly be a ghost town without them.

        • #200 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

          ABC should be contacted. Most cities get grant funds to address all the bar issues you speak of. ABC also licensed all those bars.

          • #201 by Paul Bunyan on August 27, 2012

            We’ll see they raise that issue at the council meeting or just go after certain councilmembers.

    • #202 by Councilmen criticized for not taking DUI grant on August 27, 2012

      Todd Spitzer · Top Commenter · Owner/Principal at Todd Spitzer Law

      This is not about the money going to another city. This is about saving lives. I have staffed many DUI checkpoints as a police officer and prosecuted hundreds of cases for those who drove through these checkpoints while under the influence. It is a known fact: DUI checkpoints save lives. How do you measure a life that was NOT lost from a DUI driver? You cannot. But you can believe, with substantial credibility, that if a DUI driver is driving above the legal limit and they are stopped and arrested, there is a strong probablility of someone dying or being hurt either in the DUI driver’s car or an innocent person or occupant of another car. Isn’t the Adenhart tragedy good enough for Fullerton to understand the impacts of DUI? Most sober individuals who are temporarily detained at a checkpoint will tell you that the minor inconvenience is minimal if it means saving lives. It is hard to believe that some members of the Fullerton Council do not agree with this analysis. Let’s hope this item is reconsidered.

      • #203 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

        Gonna be a heated council meeting. Kiger gonna get blasted like the Bankhead McKinley days. Should be fun.

        • #204 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 27, 2012

          And you know this how? Oh, yeah – you and your cop buddies are planning it.

          • #205 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

            Nope. Common sense. Bad decisions get pissed off people. Right? That’s what FFFF and Tbush taught everyone.

        • #206 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

          I wonder if MADD will bring up the FPD officers who were hired with DUIs. Or that one who was kept on the force after getting a second one.

          • #207 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

            Another fun topic. So let’s say someone applies to be a cop. He’s 27 years old and he got a DUI at the age of 18 in high school. Stayed clean since and serve his punishment. Should be be DQ’d no matter what?

            Cops that get DUIs another topic. Discipline levels. All didfferent at all PDs. Cops don’t get fires for a DUI. Seems common to get 30 days off. I’ve known a few that got second DUIs and did more time off but didn’t lose their jobs. I think a 2nd should lose their job for sure. First one is debatable because everyone makes mistakes and since nobody else gets fired for a misdemeanor first DUI cops shouldn’t either. Fair is fair. Yea I know enforcers of the laws but I see the human element too.

            • #208 by Anonymous on August 27, 2012

              That’s a flailing argument. I don’t think MADD will buy it.

              • #209 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

                They speak to criminal aspects of DUIs not the employment of the violators. Now if they were able to get laws passed that DUI violators should be punished and lose their jobs, then cops would be in that law too obviously.

            • #210 by ibon on August 28, 2012

              At my job, if I get a DUI, I am fired.

              So yeah, fair is fair.

              • #211 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

                Odd

              • #212 by grace on August 28, 2012

                My job too if I get a Dui its automatic dismissal. No questions asked just turn in the keys to your company car and empty your office. Should be automatic dismissal for cops too. Its not that hard to be a law abiding person. Its the public employees union that makes it ok for cops to drive drunk. The purpose of public sector union nowadays is to promote and provide for itself not to protect members from their employers as was the founding principal was.

                • #213 by DQ on August 28, 2012

                  I agree with you — just depends on a person’s character…

      • #214 by Tuco Ramirez on August 27, 2012

        Todd please provide us with Federal or University based studies that show DUI checkpoints save lives especially in California. Cal law requires proper notice of the location and dates of checkpoints in advance. This in comparison to using the same funds to have officers actively patrolling known areas where drunk drivers will leave the 51 Fullerton bars and pubs. Your studies are skewed because they do not use comparison controls only do nothing controls.
        But good try. $50,000 represents only 1/100 of 1% of the FPD budget and thus has little impact. FPD can run their own anti alcohol program via more thorough patrolling.

        • #215 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

          Supreme court recommendations say notice of day and time. Not location. That’s the main preventative is that people know there is a checkpoint but not where, so they choose not to drive drunk period.

        • #216 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

          External
           
          Alcohol and Other Drugs
          In 2012, OTS again identified and targeted California’s “Top 50 DUI Cities” and funded these cities to conduct additional DUI checkpoints in 2012. As a result, the “Top 50 Cities” plan to conduct 598 DUI checkpoints in 2012. (SHSP Action 1.1)
          Utilizing OTS crash rankings to identify cities with disproportionate numbers of traffic collisions, OTS Regional Coordinators and Law Enforcement Liaisons will contact city representatives to encourage submittal of a grant proposal. (SHSP Action 1.1)
          Fund 14 county probation departments to target repeat DUI offenders who violate probation terms or who fail to appear in court. Funded strategies include intensive supervision, unannounced home contacts and searches, surveillance operations, highly publicized warrant service operations, alcohol and drug testing, and the distribution of “Hot Sheets” to local law enforcement agencies. (SHSP Action 1.3)
          Fund a statewide DUI Checkpoint Program for local law enforcement agencies. To promote sustained enforcement, state and local law enforcement agencies collectively serving at least 50 percent of California’s population or serving geographic subdivisions that account for at least 50 percent of California’s alcohol-related fatalities will conduct checkpoints not less than quarterly. (SHSP Action 1.1)
          Fund countywide and regional DUI Avoid programs in 40 counties involving 556 law enforcement agencies and CHP to conduct enforcement and media campaigns during holiday periods. OTS and MADD will sponsor regional DUI seminars recognizing top DUI enforcement officers in each county. (SHSP Action 1.1)
          Fund 40 “Live DUI Courts” and 15 “Live DUI Sentencings” in California high schools providing students the opportunity to see up close the consequences of driving under the influence to individual drivers, crash victims and their own local community. (SHSP Action 6.5)
          Fund 150 “Every 15 Minutes” programs, a two-day program that focuses on high school junior and seniors and challenges them to think about the consequences of drinking, personal safety and the responsibility of making mature decisions when lives are involved. (SHSP Action 6.5)
          Launch a new statewide “peer-to-peer” program: Teens in the Driver Seat.
          San Joaquin and Sonoma counties are using a “staggered sentencing” model with their DUI courts. The “staggered sentencing model” requires accountability among offenders and presents an alternative form of punishment and treatment where consequences are clearly defined and agreed upon with the judge. “Staggered sentencing” is likely best-suited for cases with repeat offenders because of the level of court involvement in overseeing the defendant’s progress to recovery. Judge Richard Vlavianos devised the model for “staggered sentencing” in his court in San Joaquin County and will begin teaching this model to other judges at the National Judicial College.
          The newly developed three-year performance-based TSRP Strategic Plan will have a heavy emphasis on drug impaired driving. Law enforcement officers will be trained to better detect and investigate drug impaired drivers. Prosecutors will be trained to try cases involving drugged drivers. Both of these objectives will be accomplished by presenting two day courses that include the seven drug categories in the DRE curriculum (CNS Depressants, CNS Stimulants, Narcotic Analgesics, Cannabis, Dissociative Anesthetics, Inhalants and Hallucinogens). The training will also include trial tactics for prosecutors so they can effectively deal with their own witnesses and defense experts. We will be presenting two to four classes each year, increasing the number of classes to six to eight per year by 2014.
          The Vehicular Homicide Seminar in 2012 will include an expanded portion on drug-impaired drivers. Past seminars only had two hours devoted to drugs, but in 2012 it will be a minimum of four hours. In 2013 the seminar will be replaced with a three and one-half day seminar devoted exclusively to investigating and prosecuting drug impaired drivers. In 2014 we will return to the vehicular homicide format and do the drug training again in 2015. Alternating vehicular homicide and drug training will better equip law enforcement and prosecutors to all the tools they need to effectively investigate and prosecute drug cases.

        • #217 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

          FindLaw KnowledgeBase
          Published: 2010-05-20
          The Current State of Sobriety Checkpoints in California
          Article provided by San Diego DUI Attorney – The Law Offices of Mark R. DeYoe
          More Californians will be stopped at roadside sobriety checkpoints in 2010 than ever before. According to the California Office of Traffic Safety (OTS), police departments across the state will conduct 2,500 sobriety checkpoints in 2010, a 44 percent increase over 2009. With the increased number of checkpoints come increased concerns over the constitutional validity and effectiveness of these law enforcement tactics.

          For people who face criminal charges stemming from sobriety checkpoints, it is important to understand that not all roadside sobriety checkpoints are necessarily set up and administered in a constitutionally permissible manner. Consultation with an experienced attorney versed in the legalities of sobriety checkpoints can reveal problems with a checkpoint that could cause a case to be dismissed or a DMV order of suspension set aside.

          Pros of Sobriety Checkpoints

          According to the California Highway Patrol, almost 23,000 Americans will lose their lives in DUI related motor vehicle accidents every year. That equates to one death every 22 minutes. To combat these sobering statistics, California began to conduct sobriety checkpoints in areas where there is a high rate of DUI arrests and other alcohol related accidents.

          In defense of these tactics, many argue that sobriety checkpoints serve an extremely valuable purpose, regardless of the intrusiveness of the stops. Proponents argue that:

          In 2008, more than 5,000 people were arrested and charged at sobriety checkpoints
          Grants cover the majority of the costs associated with sobriety checkpoints, so as not to interfere with other police duties
          Since 2005, alcohol-related driving deaths have decreased 20.1 percent, and many attribute this decline to increased law enforcement activities like sobriety checkpoints
          Proponents of sobriety checkpoints argue that the success of these checkpoints relates to the fact that they reach both drinking and non-drinking drivers. By stopping both groups, the California law enforcement community argues that they can educate all people about the dangers and penalties associated with driving under the influence, deterring some people from drinking and driving in the future.

          Cons of Sobriety Checkpoints

          Most everyone agrees that arresting drunk drivers is a worthwhile goal to pursue. What many people question is the constitutionality and effectiveness of sobriety checkpoints.

          While 5,000 DUI arrests occurred at sobriety checkpoints in 2008, this number is actually small compared to the total number of alcohol related arrests in California. According to the OTS, there were 215,000 DUI arrests in California in 2008, meaning that the number of arrests at sobriety checkpoints accounts for only 2.3 percent of all DUI arrests.

          Law enforcement spent $14 million in federal grant money to arrest 5,000 people at sobriety checkpoints. Many wonder whether that money could have been used more efficiently elsewhere.

          Many opponents of sobriety checkpoints argue that:

          Sobriety checkpoints result in illegal searches and seizures, violating both the state and federal constitution
          Law enforcement frequently target minorities, setting up checkpoints in communities with large minority populations
          These tactics are much less effective in arresting drunk drivers than conducting more generalized roving patrols
          The State of California Sobriety Checkpoint Law

          While California law does not expressly grant police officers the power to conduct sobriety checkpoints, the law does grant them the authority to enforce criminal and traffic laws. Many people have challenged the legality of these checkpoints based upon constitutional grounds.

          Some courts have in effect held that the intrusion that these checkpoints have on the Fourth Amendment’s protections against unreasonable searches and seizures is justified by the seriousness of drunk driving and the possible deterrent effect of sobriety checkpoints.

          To assess the reasonableness of the search and seizure, courts examine and balance the governmental interest justifying the search against the invasion the search entails.

          In the 1987 California Supreme Court Case of Ingersol v. Palmer, the key to all Fourth Amendment issues was reasonableness. In determining whether a particular roadside sobriety checkpoint is constitutionally valid, courts will examine a number of factors or limitations, including consideration of whether:

          Supervisory law enforcement officers make and establish the decision to institute a sobriety checkpoint, the site selection, and the operational procedures to be followed at the checkpoint
          Field officers have limited discretion in stopping motorists, and rely on a neutral formula for stopping motorists
          Law enforcement officers take proper and adequate safety precautions and use official vehicles and personnel during the checkpoint
          Policy-making officials make reasonable checkpoint location decisions, based on among other things, a high number of alcohol related accidents and arrests
          Officers use reasonable judgment in the time and duration of the checkpoint
          The checkpoint itself conveys sufficient indicia of its official nature
          Officers minimize the length and intrusiveness of the detention
          Officials provided advance publicity and notification of the sobriety checkpoint
          There are strategies that a person can use to challenge the constitutionality of a sobriety checkpoint in California. The amount of precautions taken by law enforcement officers to minimize the intrusiveness of the stop can determine the validity of the sobriety checkpoint. If the police stop someone in a sobriety checkpoint, it may be possible to challenge the stop and subsequent criminal charge. One should speak with a local California attorney to learn more about his or her options.

           

        • #218 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

          Here is exactly what Fullerton turned down. It’s managed by UC Berkely of all places via Calif OTS.

          http://safetrec.berkeley.edu/checkpointgrants/2012_2013checkpoint.html

        • #219 by Anonymous on August 28, 2012

          Saving lives…well if we all stay home and never venture out it will probably “save lives”.
          I am going to out myself here but I remember the day when noone had to “click it or ticket”, there were no seatbelt laws, no smoking laws, no helmet laws, no airport searches of grandma and toddlers, no camera lights,,,,,just plain old common sense and FREEDOM, remember that; the very thing men fought and died for.
          The freedom to choose how “safe” or should I say; how much we want to be “saved from ourselves. The FREEDOM to make our own choices.
          Thanks to Big Brother more and more lives are “saved” each year I’m sure of it, just read their studies, but I for one, would rather live free.

          • #220 by DQ on August 29, 2012

            Big Brother, that’s such a joke. There’s nothing brotherly about the us government. Every day people speak out about this sham shadow government, and they are “disappeared” — every single day. The Brandon Raub kidnapping is a perfect and recent example of this.

            Checkpoints are invasive to our privacy and a major threat to what freedom we think we have left.

            Anyone who thinks the $50k is “free money” is not thinking rationally! NOTHING is free from the government, nothing. MADD money is not free.

            No thanks, I will take my own chances out there in the crazy world without checkpoints of any kind. I’ll take freedom and privacy any day over checkpoints — using them for dui’s is just another bullshit lie; they become far more than that — check this out:

            Video: Man Stands His Ground & Says NO To Police State Checkpoints

            http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2012/07/video-man-stands-his-ground-says-no-to-police-state-checkpoints-2439542.html

            time for us to man up/ woman up — say no!!!

      • #221 by Tony Serra on August 28, 2012

        Todd wrote:

        “I have staffed many DUI checkpoints as a police officer and prosecuted hundreds of cases for those who drove through these checkpoints while under the influence.”

        I CALL BULLSHIT. He prosecuted many as a low level DA. No Question. But how many DUI checkpoints did “officer Spitzer staff” what the fuck does that mean staffed?

        Let me be clear: HOW MANY CHECK POINTS HAS TODD WORKED? 3? 5? 7?

        The numbers simply don’t support his assertion. another embelishment by a politican.

        I SAY PROVE IT!

    • #222 by van get it da artiste on August 28, 2012

      better than protest not wasting tax payers hard-earned dollars on sobriety check points, these same women may volunteer to offer rides home for drunk patrons of fullerton’s bars and clubs. this would be more effective as it quickly addresses the problem of drunk driving by going into the bars and intercepting the drunk patron before he or she gets into his or her car and either gets into an accident before they come into contact with the sobriety check point or somehow miss the sobriety checkpoint altogether and causes an accident.
      This mode is better because it is a helping hand up from an accident

      • #223 by van get it da artiste on August 28, 2012

        interrupted, these MADD mothers best serve their cause by volunteering to drive drunks home from bars. It is free, good public relations for their cause and does not punish the victim of booze, instead it offers a solution to a often lethal problem. I envision it now; Flory the politically correct liberal could say MADD volunteers offer a hand up(from the bar’s floor) not back hand of fiscal punishment. OOps! I forgot, if drunks are helped by the kindness and concern of fullerton’s community, instead of fining them, the city o fullerton loses money on this deal. flory et al will never support this volunteer program for that very reason
        my opinion

  45. #224 by I love Jan on August 27, 2012

    Travis…Educate yourself

    D bag

    In 1990, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the checkpoints aren’t unreasonable because public safety outweighs the minor intrusion on a driver’s privacy.

    • #225 by I love Jam on August 27, 2012

      And they are never wrong !!! Because I worship authority !!! I like being pulled over randomly !!! It would be great if all of us were randomly pulled over all the time !!! If it saves just one life sometime it is worth it !!! That’s why I also recommend lowering all speed limits to 10 mph – think of the lives saved !!!!

      • #226 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

        Amen.

      • #227 by Tuco Ramirez on August 29, 2012

        In Fullerton they pull you over and beat you up! No one in Fullerton has faith in the police other than the old time politicians like Jan Flory who worked at city hall and is now feeding at the ample trough of public pensions!

  46. #228 by formerfullertonguy on August 27, 2012

    I have followed this website with great interest for more than a year now…and honestly credit it and its many supporters with the indictment and potential prosecution of some murderous, corrupt police officers. I also credit the site and its supporters with the lawful recall of three incredibly inept city council members. I also support the current city council, as I feel that it is vibrant, responsive and wanting to make real change to a community that I think deserves nothing better.

    But I am also more than a little dismayed, at the continued attacks and degradation of articulate people with a differing opinion. What has happened to this start-up movement to fix what is wrong….why does everyone who is a different age, or has a different opinion, suddenly the enemy to be maligned in public.

    Folks…this is Fullerton. That person you may want to malign, may well be your neighbor, or a member of your church. Can we be a little more civil? Especially now since the true root of our concerns have already been addressed. Or does it just continue as more crowd hysteria, to call out the next witch in the village.

    I feel that so much has been accomplished, and this site has to be thanked for making that happen…but let’s not lose sight of the fact that we are a democracy, with free speech available to everyone. If we are simply going to trample that with a blog that wants to ridicule, demean and intimidate, have we accomplished the goals of our founders?

    I have never met Ms. Flory…don’t know if I would support her for her run for C/C or not. But I do know this, she is entitled to make her comments, and she should not be maligned in public for her thoughts. If you wish to debate…do so, but stop the name-calling.

    • #229 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

      Well said.

    • #230 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

      Well said! Which is why it will fall on deaf ears. The founders of this blog and the majority of commenters have zero interest in civility or the open exchange of ideas. If you oppose them, they will try to destroy. And since nearly all of them are anonymous, they conveniently never have to take what they love to dish out.

      This blog is more like a hive than anything else. Smack it and they all swarm out to sting you.

      • #231 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

        Think of it this way. Compared to murder, rape, assault, theft, and general injustice, civility is not that important to most of us.

        The free exchange of ideas is always good. Unfortunately we have yet to hear any ideas from Ms. Flory or her supporters. Her campaign literature to date is Facebook posts complaining about the “Tea Party” (a useless and corrupted organization which I am not and would never be a member of) and her public appearances have been used to insult Travis and Bruce Whitaker. I expect nothing substantive to come from her, but if anything ever does, I am happy to analyze it on its merits.

    • #232 by van get it da artiste on August 28, 2012

      U R so correct, the facts about flory are ugly enough

  47. #233 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

    I commend Travis and the other two for voting down the State DUI checkpoint grant. That took some big brass balls because they knew that there would be bigtime cop union blowback. The pigs want their OT. DUI checkpoints are a blatant attack on our civil liberties by snaring thousands of innocent drivers in a net to catch one DUI offender. The ‘just saving one life makes it worth it crowd’ are full of bunk. What’s next? 10 random warrantless home searches on a Saturday night to look for illegal contraband that could save a human life? Hell, it would only be a minor inconvenience that should take no longer than 10 minutes. And it woudl produce illegal firearms or drugs that take human lives. How is that different from pulling over innocent drivers without cause and looking for violations? It’s not. The ones who love DUI checkpoints love the Patriot Act and NDAA too!!! Because it’s all done to keep you safe and to save lives. Don’t buy their crap. These people aren’t your friends. ;)

    • #234 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

      Blah blah. The state agency gives away millions and millions of dollars every year for checkpoints. You really think the could do that if it was illegal? Wait. I know your answer. Just FYI $50k in a year is peanuts for checkpoints for overtime. Comes out to about $208 per month for the cops working it, before taxes. Big deal. They aren’t mad about that OT. Email OTS and tell them to give those millions and millions to the homeless. This is just a mini grant. The main grants are $500,000 and they incorporate all the various DUI operations but if you won’t do checkpoints they won’t give you a dollar. Tough.

      • #235 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

        You completed avoided the main point of my post, Porky.

        Not surprised.

        You cop lovers love diversions.

        • #236 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

          I did?

          Checkpoints are legal. They save lives. Checkpoints don’t lead to home invasions by cops. Just knowing there is a checkpoint somewhere in Fullerton will deter someone from driving drunk. Drunks roll into checkpoints all the time and get arrested. That could have saved injury or death at the next intersection like Adenhart. Believe it or not, most people want everything possible done to get drunks off the streets. Unlicensed driving is a whole different topic but they are at times more dangerous than the drunks! Plus they hit and run all the time making us pay for the damages and injuries they caused. Arggghhh

          • #237 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

            “Checkpoints don’t lead to home invasions by cops”

            How are they different. Both egregiously violate an individual’s privacy. Innocent law-abiding drivers are forcefully pulled to the side of the road and forced to stop. If they run the checkpoint there is stiff punishment.

            How is that really any different than the cops knocking on a random home door and informing the residents that they are there for a short warrantless search meant to save lives?

            It’s not. All of it is a form of fascism.

            • #238 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

              Because the supreme court said checkpoints are legal and knocking on a door and waking inside without consent has been found illegal by the supreme court.

              • #239 by Fullerton Lover on August 28, 2012

                FYI…

                Although the U.S. Supreme Court has found sobriety checkpoints to be constitutionally permissible, ten states (Idaho, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Texas, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming) have found that sobriety roadblocks violate their own state constitutions or have outlawed them. Two other states (Alaska and Montana) do not use checkpoints even though they have not made them illegal.

                • #240 by Plain Glazed on August 28, 2012

                  So much for our city council’s “extremism.” Tons of precedent. But Jan Flory and her MADD allies would have you think it is a wing-nut position.

            • #241 by Steve Brow on August 28, 2012

              Its the expectation of privacy thing. The only place you can hide is in your own home or on your own land. Of course, I opened a business at home and had to give four agencies the right to inspect my property in trade for my license.

              • #242 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

                Good point. If you said no then no license. You can always sign your rights away I guess. Just like consent searches.

  48. #243 by plain ornery on August 27, 2012

    Why DUI check points?
    Monitor the bar parking areas. A sub-GED mentality should be capable of reaching such a conclusion.
    STOP THAT DRUNK DRIVER BEFORE THE VEHICLE ENTERS THE PUBLIC ROADWAY..
    Its not about SAFETY, its about the MONEY.
    The same amount of grant money would be allocated if the DUI check points were conducted at 1:00 PM, with no OT for the FPD.
    BTW those ELKs,ROTARY,CofC meetings have their fair of people driving after only a couple a glasses of wine.
    FPD don’t have the guts to monitor these parking areas after a meeting. OCSD would.

    • #244 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

      Because its a checkpoint mini grant offered to all California cities. Checkpoints only on this one. Don’t want to do checkpoints the money goes back in the pool for all the other cities. OTS says you can’t start checkpoints until after 6pm now.

  49. #245 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

    Oh, btw. You never see MADD when cops are arrested for DUI and keep their jobs, do you?

    A LA Sheriff detective ran a red light in his unmarked police vehicle while drunk in Stanton and almost killed a driver that he t-boned. Severe brain trauma. He was convicted and did house arrest time! :D The victim sued LA county and won about $5M. The cop is still working for the LA Sheriff’s Dept. No joke. WHERE THE HELL IS MADD???

    The former OCSD Harbormaster ( a lieutenant) was driving her county LE vehicle drunk causing an accident. She was arrested and convicted. She was reassigned to the jail but kept her job and rank. WHERE THE HELL IS MADD???

    Why should a cop who violates drunk driving laws in their LE vehicles be allowed to keep their LE jobs? WHERE THE HELL IS MADD???

    MADD keeps their mouths shut when cops commit egregious DUI violations. Quiet as church mice. That’s because they back the unions 100%.

    When they show their faces at the Council meeting Travis should fire back with some of that!!!

    That’ll shut ‘em up!!! :D

    • #246 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

      They write letters to the departments requesting severe discipline or termination and request that the Departments have zero tolerance for drunk drivers. They offer training sessions and counseling if requested. As with all discipline, the amount of discipline at each PD is usually never known. Don’t forget the Riverside PD Chief that was snitched off by a cop and eventually forced to resign. There’s one of your examples you were begging for. There are many more.

      • #247 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 28, 2012

        “…that was snitched off by a cop and eventually forced to resign. There’s one of your examples you were begging for.”

        No, it’s not. He wasn’t prosecuted, he was “forced to resign” as you stated it. Retirement and prosecution aren’t synonymous to most people, but apparently they are to cops.

        • #248 by Mechanic on August 28, 2012

          He was not “snitched off” it was a little hard to hide that messed up $40,000 car…… people started asking questions …. epic fail porky…..

          • #249 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

            Wrong. The incident was done. Handled. Until the cop spoke up and said this is wrong. Next.

            • #250 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 28, 2012

              His own department stopped him and let him go, even though they could tell he was DUI.

              QUOTE:
              Patrol car video from Leach’s traffic stop shows him “unsteady on his feet” and “intoxicated to the point where he was unsure of the condition of his vehicle or the circumstances leading up to” being pulled over, the CHP declaration states.
              Riverside police officers also reported their boss had watery eyes, the strong odor of alcohol, slurred speech and uncharacteristic repetitive speech, Berns wrote.
              “Both officers formed the opinion that Mr. Leach was driving under the influence,” he wrote.
              What the declaration does not state, and what city leaders are investigating, is who made the decision for the officers to act against their judgment and not administer a sobriety test or make an arrest.

              http://www.pe.com/local-news/reports/crash-probe/crash-probe-headlines/20100323-riverside-police-chief-faces-dui-counts-in-car-wreck.ece
              —————————————

              This is a documented cover-up of criminal activity by RPD. I’m surprised you would use this as an example.

              Epic Fail x2.

              • #251 by DQ on August 28, 2012

                They always like to cover up their own stink — but they are eventually found out… Good job FOP :)

                • #252 by Mechanic on August 28, 2012

                  Who does ole porky think went screaming to his boss? The city garage manager who walked in and saw that tore up Hemi powered chiefs car. Everyone knows you mess a car up that bad you have to have an incident report for the insurance and there is no way in hell the guys were not taking pictures of that thing and spreading the news. Porky just cannot see that cops are dirtier than hell.

    • #253 by Tom Hanson on August 28, 2012

      Funny you should mentions this. When an off duty cop pursued and shot drunk driving San Diego Charger Steve Foley a few years back, MADD awarded that officer with an officer of the year award, even though the officier made a dangerous situation even more dangerous by giving chase in a civilian car, and opening fire in a cul de sac against a drunk guy who rightly was freaked out a civilian car followed him home. I emailed MADD and brought up the logic of that award, and they informed me that the Coronado Police wanted the officer to receive the award, which of course MADD was still happy to award. The cop cost San Diego 5.5 million for his recklessness. So let it be known, MADD despises drunk driving so much they don’t mind solving it with vigilantism.

      • #254 by Joe Sipowicz on August 28, 2012

        MADD is something of a cult, right Diamond?

        • #255 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

          That allegation has been made. Compared to Scientology, no. Compared to FFFF….????

      • #256 by DQ on August 28, 2012

        That cop was a total idiot, as are most of them. “I got this here badge and gun and baton and taser, therefore, I can shoot, and maim and torture and kill folks and it’s ok.”

        They need to get over themselves and get back to doing what they were hired to do — PROTECT AND S E R V E the community that hired them!

  50. #257 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

    “They write letters to the departments requesting severe discipline or termination and request that the Departments have zero tolerance for drunk drivers”

    I call bullshit on that. Why doesn’t MADD hold a press conference and bring it to the attention of the public? Why don’t they make it a PUBLIC issue when a cop is busted for DUI while driving his or her cop car and causing property damage or injury? Why be so secret about it? MADD should involve the public to force the departments to fire dirty cops. So I call your story what it is….pure bullshit. I have called MADD’s office before about this and they NEVER called me back to discuss it. That shows how concerned they are!!! :D

    • #258 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

      DUi property damage is a misdemeanor. Injury is a felony most of the time. They concentrate on the punishments for felonies and changing laws. I agree. Cops that kill or injure due to DUI should be fired and almost always are. Agree. MADD should write a letter supporting termination but they almost always are anyways. DUI misdemeanors usually aren’t fired and like I said shouldn’t be.

      • #259 by JustUs on August 28, 2012

        “DUI misdemeanors usually aren’t fired and like I said shouldn’t be”

        So you’re saying that cops who are said to be held to a ‘higher standard’ and are given police powers to enforce the law who are caught driving their police vehicles drunk after causing an accident shouldn’t get fired?

        You just lost all credibility with me, Porky. You’re obviously a big part of the problem that backs dirty cops, right or wrong. Thanks for showing your true colors. We know what you stand for.

      • #260 by Mechanic on August 28, 2012

        WRONG… Oceanside Ca. Cop had a rollover wreck on the 5 injuring his pasanger…. still on duty… epic fail porky…

        • #261 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

          Complaint of pain. DAs won’t file those as felonies on anyone. Next.

          • #262 by DQ on August 28, 2012

            complaint of pain from a roll over wreck and no filing? lol right. Next. Oh wait, I know what it will be — the pork squealing when they are all fired and FPD disbanded :) Oh happy day!

          • #263 by JustUs on August 28, 2012

            A failure to respond to my comment is admission and acceptance, Porkchop.

            Thanks for playing.

          • #264 by Mechanic on August 28, 2012

            Wrong, ambulance called, stay in hospital…. cop still on duty. Behind closed door deal with DA. I need to wash my hands they feel dirty typing this.

    • #266 by Mark Fuhrman on August 28, 2012

      I have a friend who got shitcanned from the Sauk County (Wisconsin) Sheriff’s Dept. for DUI on duty. The State Police loved taking down a Deputy who, by the way, was an alcoholic train wreck.

      • #267 by DQ on August 28, 2012

        Sounds like they did everyone a great service by doing so, I applaud their efforts, and would hope your friend can get the help he/she needs to get past this alcoholism…

  51. #268 by Tuco Ramirez on August 27, 2012

    Just Us is saying that MADD has an unholy alliance with police unions and aids in drunk driving coverups where police are involved. I have to agree. I have never heard or seen MADD chasten any officer who was charged with drunk driving and caused accidents. MADD has a symbiotic relationship and needs the backing of the police unions above all other items. It is quite obvious.

    • #269 by Porky Pig on August 27, 2012

      Yes they work with the police and rely on police support to get laws changed and supported. So yes. I don’t agree they cover DUIs up. Most cops being arrested don’t even make the paper. Most cop DUIs are handled internally and disciplined internally. POBAR.

      • #270 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

        I gave you TWO examples when the cops DUI’s made the news. Both cops were convicted of driving their police vehicles drunk. One caused grave bodily injury to the victim. One caused property damage. Both kept their jobs.

        Spin that, man.

        • #271 by JustUs on August 28, 2012

          Notice how porkchop avoided responding?

          Typical.

          He sidesteps the ones that stump him.

          • #272 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

            Some of us are working.

          • #273 by DQ on August 28, 2012

            maybe porkchop had to get in this bacon mobile and get to work? We’ll know for sure when we see the next officer involved shooting or beating….

            • #274 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

              Bingo.

    • #275 by JustUs on August 27, 2012

      What ticks me off is that cops are said to be held to a “higher standard”. Yet I gave TWO examples of when cops drove drunk in their government owned vehicles and caused accidents that resulted in property damage or injury. Both those cops kept their employment with their police agencies.

      Yet if you worked for a private company and drove one of their vehicles drunk and caused an accident resulting in property damage or injury – would you keep your job with that company? No fing way.

      Which blows the “higher standard” lie right out of the water, doesn’t it?

      • #276 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

        Higher standards is hog wash. No one should be held to higher standards. Everyone in this world should be held to equal standards. Whites blacks Mexicans females males cops janitors firemen. Equality for all. Lets make everyone in the world have equal paya and benefits. Doctors. Attorneys. Crackheads. Wveryone.

        • #277 by Fred Alcazar on August 28, 2012

          No more POBAR?

          Hahahahaha! Lol!

          • #278 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

            Sure. Get the law changed. Pretty soon this state will have no more laws anyways.

    • #279 by Fullerton Lover on August 28, 2012

      I agree wholeheartedly with Tuco and JustUs.

      • #280 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

        Yeah, me too.

        • #281 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 28, 2012

          Count me in.

      • #282 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

        Me too.

  52. #283 by Resident of Fullerton on August 28, 2012

    Jan Flory’s action, or lack there of, that night at the city council meeting is reminiscent of a salty 70 year body with a brain of a 16 year old.

    • #284 by Fred Alcazar on August 28, 2012

      That describes her pretty well. But you left off the pre-meeting bar hopping.

  53. #285 by peaches on August 28, 2012

    FPD makes the news again – “officer-involved” shooting in Bellflower following a pursuit; suspect is DOA

    At least two FPD cars at the scene; shooting took place about 2:30-3:00 a.m. from what was just reported

  54. #286 by Wrong Guy on August 28, 2012

    So Awesome that this post is still up.
    I say keep it up for another couple of days so we could hear Jan get up at the next council meeting and snivel some more.
    YEAH!

  55. #287 by Joe Sipowicz on August 28, 2012

    In one breath she says she is a “strong older woman” (well I’ll give her the old part); and she says this right after being “horrified” and “chagrined” that somebody made a horse joke at her expense.

    Definitely not strong. Brittle is more like it. Thanks Jan for proving that you are a bitter bag of bile. Well done.

    • #288 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 28, 2012

      Joe Sipowicz :
      In one breath she says she is a “strong older woman” (well I’ll give her the old part); and she says this right after being “horrified” and “chagrined” that somebody made a horse joke at her expense.

      She’s definitely strong – her body odor could make a train take a dirt road. And she’s definitely older – she makes Grendel’s hag mother look perky.

      The only correct context she could have used “horrified” and “chagrined” would be if she had said “When I walked up to the podium my strong body odor caused the two men behind me to point at the fumes. They were horrified and were anticipating the shock wave of foul stench barreling their way, but they were chagrined to find it merely scorched their nose hairs.”

      • #289 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

        She really has bad body odor? Or you are staying consistent with things here and just making stuff up to bash old people or anyone with different views?

        • #290 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 28, 2012

          No, she really does have body odor that bad. She scares the buzzards off a dead cow. She’s so ugly Medusa turns away. It’s said her singing voice is so bad she once cracked the Crystal Cathedral by saying “ouch!”

          Stay away from her if you know what’s good for you, even FPD cops would refuse to beat THAT thing to death!

  56. #291 by streets of bellflower on August 28, 2012

    woke up to clock radio telling of yet another fpd shooting death. It seems that every high speed chase nvolving fullerton police ends with a shooting fatality. The interesting thing about this is that it was in another city. The suspect was cornered in a culdesac. and his truck was facing forward so its hard to understand how he was allegedly running them down.

    • #292 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

      Good work FPD.

      • #293 by DQ on August 28, 2012

        not good work, it’s the usual bullshit that thugs do.

        • #294 by JOHN DOE on August 28, 2012

          So let the dude run over the officers. You are such a stupid person.

          • #295 by streets of bellflower on August 28, 2012

            not convinced that pulling the trigger is justified just because reverse lights are on. even more reason for the police to us restraint if the are out of the car as they are not positioned directly behind the car. Stupid is the wrong word to use. A good cop is trained to handle situtions. allto often the only option seems to be deadly force which can be a cover for lack of competence.

            • #296 by DQ on August 28, 2012

              I concur, well stated.

    • #297 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

      streets of bellflower :
      …his truck was facing forward so its hard to understand how he was allegedly running them down.

      Yeah, he couldn’t POSSIBLY tried backing his car into the cops. That would be IMPOSSIBLE!! This entire incident is obviosuly the fault of the police, who should have gotten out of the guys way.

      • #298 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

        Cops fault for sure. Hang em.

        • #299 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 28, 2012

          For once I agree with you.

          • #300 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

            Finally.

        • #301 by DQ on August 28, 2012

          Agreed, and in a very public place!

      • #302 by JOHN DOE on August 28, 2012

        He was backing up dumbshit. The officers were out of their cars. Stupid people always talk before reading what happened.
        @Chapeau..they were out of their cars. Again dumbshit.

        • #303 by streets of bellflower on August 28, 2012

          “stupid people talk before reading what happened”
          just because its in print doesn’t mean its so.Past situations show that police very often do cover up and spin their stories to fit their means.If you do in fact work with law enforcement it might help the department side if you represent them a little better instead of talking trash.

  57. #304 by DUI charge for future SF archbishop on August 28, 2012

  58. #306 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

    Concerned Texan :
    It just seems like certain political figures, or posters around here are continually trying to assign complete blame to the villain du jour. I mean, first TONY writes everything, and now TRAVIS writes everything. I think the ringleader comment is important because she is trying to put sole responsibility for the entire content on this site on Travis’ shoulders. It is ludicrous. I guess she is trying to engage Travis in one on one political combat, but her logic doesn’t quite make sense.

    CT, you might have a point, if anyone was actually claiming that. I don’t. But you can’t deny that Travis likes to take credit for this blog. Here’s what he says on his own campaign website:

    “My passion for excellent local government was the impetus for my co-founding and running of the largest and most successful political website in Orange County. By demanding integrity from elected officials and absolute transparency from government, our website has succeeded in filling the void left by struggling Orange County newspapers and providing unparalleled investigative reporting services proving once again, that the pen is indeed mightier than the sword.”

    Those are Travis’ words, not mine. Travis can’t have it both ways. He can’t take credit for co-founding and running FFFF, take credit for all its successes, and then refuse to take any responsibility for its excesses and viciousness. Travis could enforce standards of civility here if he wanted to. But he chooses not to. He and Bushala choose to allow anyone to say absolutely anything abut anybody, no matter how vile or defamatory or untrue. And when someone calls him on it, like Flory did, Kiger shrugs his shoulders like there’s nothing he can do about it, which is false.

    It’s fun to watch his supporters twist themselves into pretzels making excuses for him. Kiger could say the moon was made of green cheese, and you guys would attack anyone who disagreed. Brain dead. Groupthink. Cult mentality.

    • #307 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

      I should have been more clear, I was specifically referring to Jan Flory’s accusation in the video clip. She asserts that Travis Kiger is the ringmaster, and the webhost for FFFF. She uses those allegations as the basis for her publicly insulting Travis during the council meeting. Firstly Travis didn’t write the specific words about which she is complaining. Secondly Travis is neither a ringmaster, nor a web host for FFFF.
      As for myself, even though I agree with many of the points illustrated through various posts, I am neither brain-dead nor do I possess a cult mentality. It seems that you and your mind-like posters throw just as many if not more insulting and offensive comments.

      • #308 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

        Concerned Texan :
        Secondly Travis is neither a ringmaster, nor a web host for FFFF.
        As for myself, even though I agree with many of the points illustrated through various posts, I am neither brain-dead nor do I possess a cult mentality. It seems that you and your mind-like posters throw just as many if not more insulting and offensive comments.

        CT, you say Travis isn’t a ringleader or webhost of FFFF. Travis says he is a co-founder of FFFF, and that he runs this blog. Who should I believe? You, or Travis?

        Re my “brain dead” jibes: point taken. But you aside, they do apply to a lot of the commenters here who think Kiger, Bushala and the FFFF gang can do no wrong.

        • #309 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

          I suppose I am splitting hairs here, but to me ringleader and co-founders are two separate things. For example, a person may found a company and then move on to other ventures. Ringleader implies that there is one particular individual behind every post. I think that is untrue. The posts written for FFFF come from many sources. I was also under the impression that a web host is a non physical location on the internet that “hosts” a site. I think Mrs. Flory is completely unaware how she presents herself in a public forum. I also think her lack of understanding and “tit for tat” attitude will count against her with the voting public. So an author on FFFF insulted her, her response was to publicly lash out at someone at whom she points her finger. And she tends to enter the political arena with ridicule for others on her FB page, then somehow becomes offended when people give her a dose of her own medicine. I find all of these characteristics very unappealing and not the qualities I would want in a city council member.

    • #310 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

      “He and Bushala choose to allow anyone to say absolutely anything abut anybody, no matter how vile or defamatory or untrue. And when someone calls him on it, like Flory did, Kiger shrugs his shoulders like there’s nothing he can do about it, which is false.”

      The only way that standards could be imposed is if comments are moderated. That would require somebody to take the time to actually read every comment before it was allowed to appear, or to go through every comment later and delete “offensive” ones. That’s a lot of time and effort and it stifles debate.

      As things are now, Travis and the other people in charge of the blog don’t limit anybody’s free speech. A lot of the “mean-spiritedness” has come from cop trolls and their supporters. But of course the ordinary people who read this blog and write comments are angry about issues like corruption and police brutality. They get to come here and knock some sacred cows down. I’m thankful we have a place for people to do that.

    • #311 by Fullerton Lover on August 28, 2012

      I think the point that your missing is that we are ALL allowed to say and write whatever we want, whenever we want on this blog.

      It seems that the only content that would be deemed suitable for publication by Jan Flory would be flowery prose.

      This blog is called “Friends For Fullerton’s Future”, not “Foo Foo’s For Flory”.

      • #312 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

        I respectfully disagree with you FL that I’m missing the point. I understand that we can say what we want when we post here. It’s not that I’m missing that particular point, I was addressing something completely different. In my earlier comments I have been addressing how Flory (in the embedded video clip) is trying to specifically hold Travis entirely responsible for all the content written on FFFF with arguments that don’t make any logical sense at all. I was trying to point out many of those flaws with my points. I will add though I appreciate that I can post here and say what I wish to say without being extorted to reveal any personal information which I prefer to keep confidential.

        • #313 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

          Its the anonymity that makes this blog so special. People can really speak freely without fear of reprisal. That is especially important when you are taking on authority structures like law enforcement. But CT, I think FL was telling Chapeau he or she was missing the point, not you.

        • #314 by Fullerton Lover on August 28, 2012

          Sorry Tex, I was referring to Chapeau.

          Your post posted almost simultaneously after my response to Chapeau did.

  59. #315 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

    The Fullertonista :
    Think of it this way. Compared to murder, rape, assault, theft, and general injustice, civility is not that important to most of us.

    So the only way to oppose those things (and who is in favor of them, BTW?) is by being an a-hole? Mon frere, I really hope Flory loses. I’d take Kige over her any day of the week. But he should recognize there is tension between being a councilman and running a blog that likes to ridicule Fullertonians who address their council at public comments.

    • #316 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

      Ok, fair point. But two things, first, there are basically no moderators for this blog, so logistically it would be somewhat impossible to monitor all comments. Second, this blog also lets people blow off steam, and insulting public figures, mean-spirited or not, really helps the little guy feel better about the impersonal bureaucracy that causes him misery.

      Also, the ordinary citizens who get up and say things at city council are not ridiculed. Nobody is teeing off on specific cops and their fans who showed up and showered praise on FPD. The majority of candidates running in this election have not been maligned in the slightest.

  60. #317 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

    Fullerton Lover :
    I think the point that your missing is that we are ALL allowed to say and write whatever we want, whenever we want on this blog.

    That doesn’t mean very much since the bloggers here are in lock-step with blog’s founders/owners/operators.

    • #318 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

      We don’t even all agree with each other on everything, let alone being in lock-step.

      • #319 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

        It’s not like anyonewho diverges from the FFFF platform would be allowed to blog here. So you’re not saying much.

        • #320 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

          Wanna bet? I’ve been allowed to blog here for about a year. During that time nobody has even told me what the “platform” is.

          I didn’t agree with Kiger, Whitaker and Chafee’ on the name change for the Coyote Hills development plan ballot amendment. The park already exists. What is being proposed is not a park plus development, its just development There. Divergence.

        • #321 by Fullerton Lover on August 28, 2012

          Last time I checked no permission was ever granted to me or anyone else which allows them FFFF blogging rights.

          Free for thee, and free for me, just the way it should be.

          • #322 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

            I was talking about being a contributor, not a commenter.

    • #323 by Fullerton Lover on August 28, 2012

      Do you think that we all have walkie-talkies and get our talking points and require permission to speak from our leaders?

      That would be the Fullerton Police Officers Association and their ilk.

      • #324 by DQ on August 28, 2012

        Bingo!

  61. #325 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

    The Fullertonista :
    Ok, fair point. But two things, first, there are basically no moderators for this blog, so logistically it would be somewhat impossible to monitor all comments.

    Not impossible. Very time-consuming perhaps, but not impossible. But not moderating comments is Bushala’ and Kiger’s choice, which gives themn some responsibility for what appears ere because of that choice.

    Then again, twice today I ‘ve gotten “your comment awaiting moderation” messages, so some moderation is happening.

    • #326 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

      Hey, I got one of those too. Its an automated system that is triggered by key words.

      • #327 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

        Which words?

        Well, tally-ho. Life calls me to other tasks. Live long and prosper.

  62. #328 by Anonymous on August 28, 2012

    Is there an East Coast FFFF type blog out there in the internets? I am sure there is, I was looking into the latest Anaheim beating victim when I stumbled across Robert Leone and the treatment he rec’d from the PA State police. Bi-polar dude driving back from star gazing. You know, a real dangerous threat to society.

    One of the officers broke his hand repeatedly punching him in the face. One of the charges Leone rec’d was for said broken hand (assaulting an officer)!
    Disgusting!
    Some dooshbag doctor released him back to the police before his vital signs even stabilized according to the medical report. Poor Leone’s mug shot looks like Kelly Thomas.

  63. #332 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

    The Fullertonista :
    I didn’t agree with Kiger, Whitaker and Chafee’ on the name change for the Coyote Hills development plan ballot amendment. The park already exists. What is being proposed is not a park plus development, its just development There. Divergence.

    You guys sure know how to keep your criticisms and disagreements quiet. That one sounded like it was dragged out of you, and remnds me that respect for property rights is hit-and-miss on what is suppopsed to be a liberty blog.

    • #333 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

      It has nothing to do with property rights. Its a accuracy in ballot amendment naming issue. A park already exists there. What is being proposed is a housing development. So the ballot amendment should reflect whether the residents want a housing development there or not. And I didn’t know it was a “liberty” blog with a set of predefined points on issues such as property rights.

      See? You are the one that thinks the blog should be a certain way. It is an anarchy zone, as it should be, with no rules. I like it that way. If it had rules I wouldn’t blog here.

      • #334 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

        It’s only an “anarchy zone” when it suits the spin purposes of the people who run it and blog here.

        If I read a post by The Fullertonista excoriating Whitaker, Chaffee and Kiger for voting for a dishonest ballot title, your argument would have mre credibility. Like I said, you sure keep the disagreements quiet. Anyone can criticize an opponent.

      • #335 by Anonymous on August 28, 2012

        I’m more concerned with the legality of the change. It was originally on the agenda as a “non-material change”, which is allowable this late in the game according to the election code. It was amended before approval to become a very material change, which is only legal for a very short period after the petition signatures are presented. Was pretty bush league in my opinion.

        • #336 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

          Maybe we should ask for reconsideration.

  64. #337 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

    The Fullertonista :
    Also, the ordinary citizens who get up and say things at city council are not ridiculed. Nobody is teeing off on specific cops and their fans who showed up and showered praise on FPD.

    I see what you’re saying, but “most people aren’t ridiculed on the Internet” isn’t much reassurance to a resident who wants to address the council but doesn’t want to risk winding being ridiculed in a video that will be YouTube forever.

    Also, this blog goes after police and their supporters by name all the time.

    • #338 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

      There is nothing preventing cops and their fanboys from starting their own blog and ridiculing us. Go for it.

      • #339 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

        Blogs with people that all think the same are boring. Circle jerk sessions.

        • #340 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

          You just described this blog.

          • #341 by Fullerton Lover on August 28, 2012

            Why are you reading this blog then if it’s sooooooo boring?

            • #342 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

              I was talking about Serpico’s latter description.

              • #343 by Fullerton Lover on August 28, 2012

                About this blog being nothing more than a circle jerk?

                Yet here you are.

                • #344 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

                  I’m not participating in the circle jerk.

          • #345 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

            Well, examine this blog thread for a moment. There are nearly 300 posts on this page and many of them are from opposing views. I find myself trying to respectfully disagree and intelligently argue my points concerning Jan Flory. So wouldn’t you agree that on this particular thread no everyone thinks the same way?

            • #346 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

              There are a lot of comments, but only a few commenters here diverging from the hive. But the uniformity among the contributors is fairly thoroughgoing.

          • #347 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

            Not true. There are a few with opposite or different views. It’s what gets the post counts so high.

            • #348 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

              Even if there are “a few” people who post opposing views then not “everyone” who posts on this blog think the same way. Ergo what I say is absolutely true.

              • #349 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

                CT, you have to admit that’s pretty weak, because not every single solitary person is in agreement.

                • #350 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

                  It isn’t weak, it’s my point. It is a logical fallacy to talk in absolutes. Speaking or making comments in terms of absolutism doesn’t present a cohesive argument. I think you and porky are mistaken in your thinking and not presenting very valid arguments. I mean no offense, but it seems you and porky come here, sling a few insults and then comment that you’re upset that all the FFFF posters do in mindlessly insult people. I also admit that you are doing your best to present thoughtful arguments with me and I appreciate that. I think that people with opposing view points tend to insult and leave. I would encourage more interaction and debate, not really like Greg Diamond. And, you know I’m not perfect either. I lost my cool once and told him to *F* off, although I try my best to be respectful and have thoughtful dialogue with the other individuals who post here.

      • #351 by JOHN DOE on August 28, 2012

        They wouldnt waste their time.

        • #352 by Fred Alcazar on August 28, 2012

          Joe, you have to account for the GED factor. We’ve all seen the comments left by the trolls: almost completely illiterate. I guess they could hire somebody to write stuff for them.

      • #353 by Joe Sipowicz on August 28, 2012

        Interesting point. They don’t. Why is that? I would love for Coffman and Goodrich to start a blog.

        Of course that would take a little bit of time and a little bit of effort. Still, there are 145 of them and only seven or eight of us.

        Shall we hold our breath?

        • #354 by Barry Coffman unredacted on August 28, 2012

          I did make one: http://www.bigfatblog.com/

        • #355 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

          They have one. You have to log in though.

        • #356 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

          “… and only seven or eight of us.”

          !!! ???

          Thought so!

  65. #357 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

    Fullerton Lover :
    Do you think that we all have walkie-talkies and get our talking points and require permission to speak from our leaders?

    A hive doesn’t need walkie-talkies.

    • #358 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      so then buzz off and let the hive bee :)

      • #359 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

        Clever play on words, I will admit!

    • #360 by Fullerton Lover on August 28, 2012

      And bees end up making honey, and pollinating the landscape, what’s your point Chapeau?

  66. #361 by Anonymous on August 28, 2012

    Chapeau, go wash some cop balls already.

    • #362 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

      FFFF in its purest form. Thank you for making my point for me.

      • #363 by Anonymous on August 28, 2012

        you have a point for being here? since when?

      • #364 by Anonymous on August 28, 2012

        quote from Chapoo
        “Also, this blog goes after police and their supporters by name all the time.”

        Alby Al ? your offended this pervert was outed? and the boys in blue that ‘miss hanging with Al’? talk about a circle jerk!
        Nazi thug Hampton? beating up dangerous cell phone recording citizens?? Cyclops smashing Kelly’s face in?
        Exactly why should the America conceal the identities of these criminals?

    • #365 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

      Cop balls stink after a long hot day with a vest and gun belt. Cheesy.

      • #366 by Anonymous on August 28, 2012

        Im curious, if an over weight cop (who sat on his balls all day in his comfy squad car) stands up and his balls are now stuck to his ass like used gum, does he yell “STOP RESISTING!” at them? Inquiring minds need to know.

        • #367 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

          No. They just reach down there pants and pull them forward. Then they use those same hands to shake hands with the next client. Share the sweaty balls. Don’t ever touch your taser with sweaty ball hands though. You might shock yourself.

  67. #368 by JOHN DOE on August 28, 2012

    Chapeau :

    streets of bellflower :…his truck was facing forward so its hard to understand how he was allegedly running them down.

    Yeah, he couldn’t POSSIBLY tried backing his car into the cops. That would be IMPOSSIBLE!! This entire incident is obviosuly the fault of the police, who should have gotten out of the guys way.

    Another stupid person.

  68. #369 by Stanley Fiala on August 28, 2012

    The Fullertonista :
    This of course means nothing. Ethnicity and religion have little to do with contemporary political philosophy. That’s going to be my last word on the subject.

    ……….. Hmmmmmm

    Thanks for your last word on the subject.

    Ethnicity and religion has everything to do with contemporary political philosophy

    The ethnicity and religion is mother of the political correctness aka mandatory disinformation.

    If you want to get elected to any office today you must kiss up to Latinos and condone their lawlessness and Jews to condone their Middle east terrorism which sucked us into every conflict there and 911.

    George Soros billionaire communist Jew, I can name entire Wall Street, Hollywood, News Media and famous Jewish lobby which dictates USA contemporary political philosophy

    Now that is my last word on the subject until Golem accuse me of the antisemitism again.

    • #370 by Tuco Ramirez on August 29, 2012

      A pathetic post filled with vile hatred!

  69. #371 by Chapeau on August 28, 2012

    The Fullertonista :
    Its the anonymity that makes this blog so special. People can really speak freely without fear of reprisal.

    That’s not true. I’ve seen Admin “out” commenters before.

    • #372 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

      Besides cop trolls, who?

      • #373 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

        So out cop trolls or anyone with a view not in line with yours? Odd.

        • #374 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

          Nope. Just cop trolls. You in particular. :-)

          • #375 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

            I wanna be a troll. Arent they short and wobble around almost falling over?

            • #376 by Fred Alcazar on August 28, 2012

              O’Malley!

              • #377 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

                That’s funny. I just was typing this Fred it’s about time for you to say O’Malley again. And here it is! Your timing is always about the same.

                Good work TBush.

              • #378 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

                TONY!

        • #379 by Anonymous on August 28, 2012

          cop trolls out themselves by posting garbage.

  70. #380 by JustUs on August 28, 2012

    “Moran, an 18-year veteran of the Sheriff’s Department at the time of the crash, also was put on unpaid leave but now works as a patrol deputy, L.A. Sheriff’s spokesman Steve Whitmore said Tuesday”

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-301028–.html

    Now the cop is working patrol arresting other drunks when they drive! :D

    Nah, there’s no double-standard. Didn’t you know that police are held to a ‘higher standard’? :D

    Btw, WHERE THE HELL WAS MADD ON THIS ONE?

    • #381 by JustUs on August 28, 2012

      Looks like this one stumped old Porkchop too!

      Whenever he sidesteps your comment on the cops consider it a victory.

      Thanks for the win, Porkchop!!! :D

      • #382 by Tuco Ramirez on August 29, 2012

        MADD is non existent. Yesterday I noted that MADD had an unfortunate symbiotic relationship with police unions and desperately needed their backing. That is why announced traffic stops are done on overtime. If it was done on straight time, more of the stops could be set up. But since its a symbiotic payoff, time and a half it is!

  71. #383 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 28, 2012

    Chapeau/Concerned Texan are flip sides of the same coin. They’re playing good cop/bad cop.

    • #384 by The Fullertonista on August 28, 2012

      Concerned Texan has been around here forever. He’s good people. He just has a gentle and reasonable arguing style.

      • #385 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

        Thank you very much for the compliment. I appreciate it.

      • #386 by DQ on August 28, 2012

        I agree, CT is good people :)

        • #387 by FOP - Federal Oversight of Police on August 28, 2012

          Thanks for the clarification. Sorry, CT.

    • #388 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

      So there are good cops? That’s odd. I thought all were bad.

      • #389 by Fred Alcazar on August 28, 2012

        How about bad cop/worse cop?

        Haha. Lol.

  72. #390 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

    I have a question to anyone who was at the August 21st council meeting. The crowd erupted with laughter and clapping when Flory started insulting Mr. Kiger. Were they actually laughing at Flory or encouraging her?

    • #391 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

      Encouraging. Look at the videos where you all did the same thing to Bankhead and McKinley. They learned how to do it from the team TBush.

    • #392 by Fred Alcazar on August 28, 2012

      Those were the cop union goons filled up with free food courtesy of the FPOA. They will soon grow tired and fade away – especially if no grub is dumped into the trough.

      • #393 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

        True. As long as no cop topics on the agenda they won’t care.

    • #394 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      I think she brought her own club with her for backup lol

      • #395 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

        So do you think it was something more like an orchestrated political trick than something more representative of the Fullerton public?

        • #396 by Fullerton Lover on August 28, 2012

          Absolutely. I was there.

        • #397 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

          Both. I don’t think the public wants to go Sheriff at all.

          • #398 by Fred Alcazar on August 28, 2012

            No. You’re talking about the meeting before last. The cops just showed up to throw their weight around. Lol.

            • #399 by Plain Glazed on August 28, 2012

              And what a lot of weight it was.

        • #400 by DQ on August 28, 2012

          Yes I think it was one of her usual orchestrated political tricks — she liked it the way it was before with the rampant theft and plundering of the city coffers.

    • #401 by Fullerton Lover on August 28, 2012

      Encouraging her. If you were at the meeting you would’ve noted that the audience was filled with FPOA members, which are also her biggest political supporters, due to the mutual political back scratching each receives from the other.

  73. #402 by Concerned Fullerton Resident on August 28, 2012

    I’m very concerned that our current council members are not acting on behalf of the residents of Fullerton and what their needs/wishes are. I see this current council of kiger Whitaker and seborn attempting to pretend they are better and smarter than the residents. I’m very fearful that they are going to continue to do harm to Fullerton. I will vote in November but not for anyone who doesn’t listen

    • #403 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

      Would you please provide a specific example of how each council member has made a vote with which you don’t agree or which doesn’t represent the best interests of Fullerton?

  74. #404 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

    Admin. put up a story on the costa Mesa council follow home story. That firm is the dirtiest of dirty and reps most POAs. FPD has the best firm in terms of ethics and tactics. But the tactics used are great these days. I guarantee Whitaker and Kiger and Tony are being followed all the time. Digging for dirt. Whitaker is even at the press conference.

    • #405 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

      It’s been on KFI all day. Great story. Someone slipped.

    • #406 by Fred Alcazar on August 28, 2012

      “FPD has the best firm in terms of ethics and tactics.”

      Yeah, right. Lol.

      • #407 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

        Really. They are. Dammeier firm is terrible. If they had Dammier you would have seen blue shirts for a year and fights everywhere.

  75. #408 by Did Anaheim Police Beat a Restrained Man Who Kept Shouting "I Quit! I Quit"? on August 28, 2012

    • #409 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

      He says he quit he quit he quit after he finally stops fighting? And then nothing after he says he quits? I must be missing something. Or as Fred says I’m always missing something ha.

      • #410 by Fred Alcazar on August 28, 2012

        You cops and Register whores sure love to use the word “fight.”

        I didn’t see any fight. I saw a couple of incompetent cops who couldn’t cuff a drunk and wore themselves out beating the drunks head with their fists.

        So sad. Lol.

        • #411 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

          Could be. It happens. Drunks are the worst. Good work APD.

          • #412 by Fred Alcazar on August 28, 2012

            If those fatties lost a few pounds their work would get a lot easier. Just ask Ramos and Wolfe. Lol.

  76. #413 by JustUs on August 28, 2012

    Here’s another one”

    “Giudice was arrested the night of April 15 after crashing into the back of another vehicle stopped at a red light at a freeway off-ramp, according to arrest records. She was driving an unmarked vehicle from the Sheriff’s Department”

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/department-168384-giudice-sheriff.html

    Last I heard she was working the jail.

    Wouldn’t it be a hoot if she worked a DUI checkpoint for some OT?? :D

    I wonder if she’s made Captain yet??? :D

    • #414 by Porky Pig on August 28, 2012

      Ha soon. Jail overtime is ripe.

    • #415 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      So is this Guidice related to the Real Housewives of New Jersey Guidice clan? omg — that whole family is a train wreck lol

      • #416 by JustUs on August 28, 2012

        This crap about “higher standards” is about as funny as it gets.

        Here you have a ranking officer driving her police car drunk and slams into an innocent motorist at a stop light – AND KEEPS HER RANK AND JOB!!!!

        Think of the liability here if she were to get loaded again and hurt a citizen.

        OMG.

        Lotto time!!!

        Think about it. If you worked for a private company and caused an accident while driving one of their vehicles drunk – how long would it take the boss to can you butt???

        Yet cops – who are given police powers to enforce the laws and hold OTHERS accountable for their actions – can drive their police cars drunk and cause property damage or grave bodily injury – AND REMAIN COPS!!! :D

        It’s so bizarre it’s unreal.

        • #417 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

          God bless the USA and Obama.

          • #418 by DQ on August 28, 2012

            rotflmao!

  77. #419 by Anonymous on August 28, 2012

    There is also the story of the Deputy Allan James Waters. oc register march 2010 and April 2011 or around that time.

    • #420 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

      Bring in OCSD. Jails rot their brains. Death squads. Jail gangs.

  78. #421 by JustUs on August 28, 2012

    Mr. Kiger,

    When you are confronted by MADD at your next meeting don’t forget to ask them why they never publicly criticize cops when they drive their police vehicles drunk in Orange County and cause accidents resulting property damage or grave injuries.

    I have NEVER read a MADD statement which condemns the cops that commit these egregious DUI violations or condemns their police agencies for not firing them.

    DUI cops should held to a ‘higher standard’ and FIRED.

    And until I read such a statement from MADD I simply cannot respect their organization.

    • #422 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

      Yes.

    • #423 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

      Just email him JustUs. Handle some of your ideas on your own.

      • #424 by JustUs on August 28, 2012

        Who’s side are you on, Serpico?

        Mr. Kiger is the webmaster at this site and we have a right to communicate with him. It doesn’t have to be private. It’s good that other’s know it too. It was reported that MADD is going to come after him at the next meeting. He and ALL OF US need to be prepared. We need to help one another. To hell with secrecy. This website stands for TRANSPARENCY. And you should support that!

        • #425 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

          I’m relating to how you just spout around here and give orders and ideas and never do anything yourself. Type A for sure.

          • #426 by JustUs on August 28, 2012

            “I’m relating to how you just spout around here and give orders and ideas and never do anything yourself. Type A for sure”

            Oh, so now you’re attacking the messenger and claiming that I’m causing the problems by stating the truth? I never give orders. That total BS and you know it. I am offering suggestions on how to handle the upcoming onslaught of attacks by MADD and their cronies at the next council meeting.

            I do lots of things that you don’t know about. I don’t have to report to you on everything I do. Who do you think you are? My overseer?

            Again, who’s side are you on? Your comments are suspicious. You sure that you aren’t one of those wolves in sheep’s clothing?

            • #427 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

              I agree back at ya. You aren’t the boss of anyone here either.

              • #428 by JustUs on August 28, 2012

                “I agree back at ya. You aren’t the boss of anyone here either”

                I never claimed to be the ‘boss’ of anyone here or even thought of myself as one, meathead. Where do you come up with this crap anyway?

                All I did was offer a legitimate and appropriate suggestion.

                That’s part of the function of comment boards.

                • #429 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

                  Ha u a funny dude.

        • #430 by Plain Glazed on August 28, 2012

          Forgive me for agreeing with you JustUs. But along with what you suggest, Councilman Kiger could also cite the following that Fullerton Lover posted earlier:

          “Although the U.S. Supreme Court has found sobriety checkpoints to be constitutionally permissible, ten states (Idaho, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Texas, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming) have found that sobriety roadblocks violate their own state constitutions or have outlawed them. Two other states (Alaska and Montana) do not use checkpoints even though they have not made them illegal.”

          All of this is pertinent and weakens any argument MADD might have.

          • #431 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

            California said legal. So?

            • #432 by Plain Glazed on August 28, 2012

              Precedent exists. City Council has the right to reject sobriety checkpoints, and did the right thing in doing so.

              • #433 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

                True. Agree. I don’t think if the citizens of Fullerton voted on checkpoints in their community they would say no. So Kiger voted against the will of the citizens and voted personally. Citizens want drunks off the streets. I think Kiger will hear that from the citizens at the next meeting about his choice.

                • #434 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

                  That’s a pretty difficult assertion to prove. Perhaps if the citizens voted, the would have said “no” to DUI checkpoints. It was mentioned earlier that Texas does not have DUI checkpoints because they violate the state constitution, however, the APD still manages to get drunk drivers off the streets within the law and with some pretty stiff penalties to boot. And before you start I would like to cut you off at the pass by saying: No, I have never had a DUI. Perhaps there is a more effective method to get drunk drivers of the street in CA?

                • #435 by DQ on August 28, 2012

                  No way would I vote for dui check points — it’s just another government intrusion into our lives. If the thugs, I mean cops, can’t get the drunk drivers off the streets, then we replace said thugs, I mean cops, with PEACE OFFICERS who CAN do the job.

          • #436 by JustUs on August 28, 2012

            I appreciate your fine suggestion, Plain Glazed. But next time it might be a good idea to clear it through Serpico first before you post it. We don’t want to upset him and suffer the wrath of God.

            DUI checkpoints should be renamed “Fascist Checkpoints”. And I applaud those states that have rejected them. It is really no different than the cops choosing 20 random homes a night and conducting warrantless searches on them ‘to save lives’.

            I mean, hell, if they could confiscate just ONE illegal gun it could save a life, right? And that would justify everything, right?

            The logic these fascists use just floor me. I don’t even feel that I’m living in America anymore.

            • #437 by DQ on August 28, 2012

              Amerika you say? I feel the same way — the USA has become the USSA and people will hopefully figure it out soon. I agree 100% — Fascist Checkpoints is the honest and true name. We used to have this thing called the Constitution, but the obamination came in and has been busily dismantling it day by day with his EOs. Since Bush we have been living under “martial law” and the NDAA bullshit… I am pretty sure of what’s coming next…. Romney and Ryan are in total agreement with all this transforming bullshit from the USA to the USSA — just keep watch on the amount of Russians coming into this country for “war games” and you’ll see…. FPD? they’re chumps compared to what’s coming.

  79. #438 by Kegger at City Hall! on August 28, 2012

    Hey everybody
    Is FPD going to bring Tommy burgers to the massive MADD party going on by city hall tonight? its going to be off the hook! I hear there will be an open bar too! Those MADD moms like to throw down! P-A-R-T-Y Time!!!

    • #439 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

      Beers are in the big pickup trucks in the parking lot. Open bar at the SlideBar also.

  80. #440 by Wrong Guy on August 28, 2012

    This Jan Glory is no strong woman.

    If she was, she would not have gotten up to that podium last Tuesday and whined about what the normal thinking people are saying about her on this blog.

    THIS blog obviously means a lot to her. What a taint!

    • #441 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

      Ha. Taint. I like the taint.

  81. #442 by streets of bellflower on August 28, 2012

    Fullerton police beatings or shooting fatalities seem to be the norm for endings of high speed chases.What police from fullerton as well neghboring officers from La Palma are saying is that the suspect was
    “backing up his SUV at a high rate of speed and aiming it at officers” they say. As you can see from the picture there is a lot of roadway in front of the suspects vehicle in which he could build up speed and you can see from the placement of his car how he was aiming at officers. Unfortunatly there don’t seem to be any suvillian witnesses to this provocation.http://s11.postimage.org/zg1pmzh9f/fullertonbellflower.png It was noted that the fullerton police have dashcams , and if they were functional will back up their story. it doesn’t seem likely the public will ever see this video footage.

    • #443 by Tuco Ramirez on August 29, 2012

      I saw two Fullerton police cars and none from La Palma. He was shot by FPD officers, not La Palma. You see the police chief in La Palma has cajones, not like the Acting Police Chief and his predecessors in Fullerton. They are taught to think, not react, and its a known fact its much much harder to obtain a job in La Palma than in Fullerton. However, cost of policing in FUllerton is quite a bit higher in Fullerton which is why the police union controlled city council voted to not obtain any info on a possible contract with OCSD.

  82. #444 by JustUs on August 28, 2012

    Kiger should raise his middle finger and tell the protesters that civil liberties trump howling facists who use ‘saving lives’ as an excuse to violate them.

    • #445 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

      Don’t forget my personal favorite… “Think of the children.”

  83. #446 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

    This is the mindset of police unions and their attorneys. Press release from the firm on the Costa Mesa mess.

    From: Dieter Dammeier
    Date: August 28, 2012 2:33:15 PM PDT
    To: Clients & Friends of LDM
    Subject: PRESS RELEASE – A little Balance to Attack on Police Labor Firm

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

     

     

    After a number of attacks leveled against our Firm for using “aggressive tactics”, we feel it necessary to respond.

     

    When our clients are treated unfairly or unlawfully, yes, we are aggressive, within the limits of the law, to vindicate our client’s position.

     

    Below are some examples of “tactics” used by various City Management that we have had to “aggressively” deal with:

     

    1                    Unlawfully diverting funds designated by the taxpayers to pay pension costs into paying for compensation increases to City Hall executives.

    2                    Telling police officers they need you to take a pay cut so the City can purchase more real estate to assist a local Developer.

    3                    Fabricating evidence simply to fire a police officer someone in management did not like.

    4                    Threatening officers that unless they agreed to pay cuts, the City would not hire replacement officers, putting the community and officers in jeopardy.

    5                    One City Council voted to eliminate its entire police department and bring in the Sheriffs Dept. without even allowing the Community a chance to voice an opinion.

    6                    Covertly surveilling an off-duty police officer that management did not like.

    7                    Threatening that if the police association did not “agree” to the requested pay cuts, the City would impose more severe cuts than received by the rest of the City employees.

    8                    Threatening a police association that if the police did not “agree” to the requested pay cuts, which were more than double the cuts being asked from any other employee in the City, including management, that it would still impose the cuts in violation of the contract and that the police could line up with other creditors to file suit against the City.

    9                    Destroying relevant evidence in order to support disciplinary action against a police officer not like by management.

    10                Providing better medical insurance to the City Council members than the police officers, and when the City was asked about it, the officers were told “better leave that alone” since Council votes on your contracts.

    11                Cutting police positions while City Hall staffing increased.

    12                Pushing voters to pass a Utility Tax to “enhance public safety” and after it was passed, then eliminating police positions.

    13                Going to the local press with stories on police unions and their representatives to anger the public.

    14                Etc. Etc. Etc.

     

    We will not apologize for “aggressively” protecting those that put their lives on the line every day protecting all of us.  We will continue to fight for our clients using every available legal tool at our disposal.  When officials take actions that our clients feel deprioritize public safety, we will respond, in many cases publically, calling out the politicians on their actions. 

     

    We should be fair and say that the above examples are not the norm but rather the exception, but it would be naïve of anyone to think that city and county officials never engage in questionable “tactics” to achieve both political and personal goals. Most cities treat our clients fairly and lawfully, and there is a harmonious working relationship between management and rank and file.  It is rather the rare exception that we find ourselves dealing with a City that simply cannot follow the law, or be fair and reasonable.   

     

     

    Dieter C. Dammeier,  

    Managing Partner

     

     

    • #447 by Plain Glazed on August 28, 2012

      Whoah. I suddenly have even less respect for police unions than I did before.

    • #448 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

      Pretty decent list. I still condemn any bogus 911 calls if they happened, but of course they’ve denied that.

  84. #449 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

    There are many methods. I posted them all the other day. Checkpoints are just one of them. A deterrent. No biggie. It’s only $50k. Plus it gives the POA something strong to blame on Kiger when the next person or child dies from a DUI driver.

    Concerned Texan :
    That’s a pretty difficult assertion to prove. Perhaps if the citizens voted, the would have said “no” to DUI checkpoints. It was mentioned earlier that Texas does not have DUI checkpoints because they violate the state constitution, however, the APD still manages to get drunk drivers off the streets within the law and with some pretty stiff penalties to boot. And before you start I would like to cut you off at the pass by saying: No, I have never had a DUI. Perhaps there is a more effective method to get drunk drivers of the street in CA?

    • #450 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

      The next time someone dies from intoxicated driving I think that the blame should fall squarely on the shoulders of the FPD for their inability to get drunk drivers off the street. DUI checkpoints don’t necessarily translate into getting drunk drivers off the streets.

  85. #451 by Jan Flory for City Council on August 28, 2012

    JUGGERNAUTTING ALONG
    !
    After blowing a nearly $10 million hole in the City Budget last week, the council meets again for a special setting of the City Council today beginning at 5:00 p.m. for Closed Session items. First thing on the closed session agenda is the cryptic Public Employee Discipline/Dismissal/Release. There is nothing that would inform a citizen of what position is under attack, let alone a person’s name. Does this deal with the Police Chief? the City Manager? the three cops who are going back to desk duty in the wake of the Thomas affair? or is it the spanking of a code enforcement officer or maintenance yard secretary. Not a clue. I thought this was the council of transparency and accountability.

    The remaining closed session items deal with “Conference with Legal Counsel” concerning 10, that’s right, TEN lawsuits filed against the city. A citizen can go to the Santa Ana Courthouse and get a copy of the complaint OR we could go online and order the legal pleadings, BUT I believe if the spirit of the Brown Act were to be followed, the city should provide us with a brief description of each lawsuit. Simple stuff: personal injury lawsuit resulting from a trip and fall in Hillcrest Park. You get the idea, and this would not violate any attorney-client privilege flowing between the city and its attorney.

    Please note that public comments may be heard at 5:00 p.m. today prior to the closed session as well as at 6:30 p.m. prior to the regular “specially set” council meeting.

    There is plenty on the agenda to be concerned about. I believe that the Cabal (Kiger, Whitaker & Sebourn) are going to sandbag Doug Chaffee and appoint Tom Babcock to the Metropolitan Water District Board (MWD). MWD is one of the largest special assessment districts in the world (the WORLD), making this is a huge appointment. Who is Tom Babcock? A very good friend of Bruce Whitaker, and one of the 1994 recall bunch. What are Tom Babcock’s qualifications? Don’t know. Neither he nor anyone else completed an application for the position. That’s just wrong. As between a political crony and Doug Chaffee, an elected councilmember, Chaffee should trump Babcock.

    Another important item has to do with a review of Public Records Request Procedures. It’s anyone’s guess what this is about.

    http://www.facebook.com/JanFloryForCityCouncil/posts/488881814456661

    • #452 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

      Babcock. If this happened before the cabal there would be a post here immediately by TBush about the corruption and dinosaur brains. Maybe TBush or Fred will step up and slam his purchase? Doubt it.

    • #453 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

      Is this post actually from the Flory campaign or just someone else using that name to pass along what’s written on her site? This time it doesn’t much matter; next time it might.

  86. #454 by Old Timer on August 28, 2012

    “As between a political crony and Doug Chaffee, an elected councilmember, Chaffee should trump Babcock.”

    Just like Flory tried to stay on the OC Water District after she got herself unelected and tried to keep Shawn nelson of it?

    Also, all those secret closed sessions are secret to protect errant city employees, as Flory well knows. They are secret precisely because Jan Flory and her ilk made them so.

    What a lying, hypocritical withered sack of shit.

    • #455 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

      I wish “The Grammar Police” would pay a visit to Jan Flory for City Council.

      • #456 by Old Timer on August 28, 2012

        Yes. There is no $10,000,000 hole in the budget that:

        1) couldn’t be made up by bringing in the OCSD for ONE SOLITARY YEAR!

        2) that wasn’t created by HER OWN negligence on the city council stealing from the people of Fullerton to give city employees higher salries and benefits.

        The old witch is just shameless.

        • #457 by DQ on August 28, 2012

          You got it all right — and the sad part is she doesn’t get why folks laugh at her :(

      • #458 by real blogga's make you holla on August 29, 2012

        hell no, that whacko has been locked up in a padded room, and is not missed.

  87. #459 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

    Is there a Council meeting tonight? I didn’t see it on the schedule.

  88. #462 by Fullerton Lover on August 28, 2012

      • #464 by DQ on August 28, 2012

        awesome! now we who can’t be there can see the illustrious mayor being the jackass that she is on camera :)

        what an idiot.

    • #465 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

      I empathize with the pain these families have experienced, I just think is a better way to get drunk drivers off the road. They’re speaking out of personal anecdote or emotion not necessarily out of logic.

      • #466 by Fullerton Lover on August 28, 2012

        Didn’t Fullerton have DUI checkpoints in 2009 when Nick Adenhart was hit by a drunk driver?

        • #467 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

          A lot of people admitted they don’t actually get the drunk drivers off the road, they’re just effective as being visible. I don’t buy it.

  89. #468 by Officials: Police union negotiator targeted city councilmen on August 28, 2012

    Fullerton Councilman Bruce Whitaker said intimidation by the Fullerton Police Association resulted in a 3-2 vote against pursuing cost estimates from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department. The Council was looking into restructuring its police force, Whitaker said.

    “We entrust (police) with the ability to take away our freedoms, to make arrests, to intimidate, to use discerning tactics. This clearly can cross the line and become an abuse of those powers,” Whitaker said.

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/police-369828-righeimer-city.html

    • #469 by Real....tity Is on August 28, 2012

      Waaaa poor baby. His people can imtimidate everyone but can’t go both ways. What a wussy.

      • #470 by Chapeau on August 29, 2012

        Word.

  90. #471 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    Brandon Raub, ex marine who was kidnapped — he is finally free and here is the most recent interview with him. Please watch. Keep watch.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5dA1N3S9Es&feature=player_embedded

  91. #472 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

    Wow, a smear campaign against Zamara. Is that appropriate in public comments? I mean is this person related to them? What the heck?

    • #473 by peaches on August 28, 2012

      that was really weird; I was wondering if it was the husband/ex-husband/friend of same?

    • #474 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

      TBush and FFFF and big cans M laid the groundwork that all insults against anyone is fair game. It’s time to play big ball. Tball is over. Or is it TBush ball? Game is on.

      • #475 by Chapeau on August 29, 2012

        Tru dat

        • #476 by Fred Alcazar on August 29, 2012

          Bring it on pork chop.

          • #477 by Porky Pig on August 29, 2012

            Umpire enforces the rules. Goodrich? Ha

  92. #478 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

    After watching these public comments I sincerely hope the citizens of Fullerton who post here attend the next meeting or the FPD will regain the council.

    • #479 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      Yes, very important to attend the meetings when possible!

      • #480 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

        I guess the citizens who voted for recall and reform are standing back in order to let some change happen and now there is a forceful push back from the status quo. I hope everyone can regain their strength because I would hate to see Fullerton slide back into a complete state of corruption. I notice all the speakers tonight talk of free money, and free 50,000$ grants and I don’t think they are truly cognoscente of the true cost of DUI checkpoints and the strings that are attached to federal monies. I am constantly reading articles about the dire financial straits of the various governments in the State of California. No disrespect to CA intended, I just think the general public need to be more connected to financial issues instead of just seeing “free money” everywhere.

        • #481 by DQ on August 28, 2012

          agreed 100%

        • #482 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

          Just remember 5 times as many voters this time and more people realizing the city was purchased.

    • #483 by Real....tity Is on August 28, 2012

      I told you CT. The citizens are pissed. This election is going to cost TBush a few million or he’s losing his investment.

      :-)

      • #484 by DQ on August 28, 2012

        we ARE angry, and will not let the cronyism control the city again.

        • #485 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

          Ps. Reality is never told me jack. This is the first time he’s addressed me in almost a year and some change. I think citizens are pissed at the status quo, and the unions are trying to feign support for themselves.

        • #486 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

          Better use more than FFfF then. TBush is losing steam.

  93. #487 by Annonymous (NON TROLL) on August 28, 2012

    “Fullerton Councilman Bruce Whitaker said intimidation by the Fullerton Police Association resulted in a 3-2 vote against pursuing cost estimates from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department. The Council was looking into restructuring its police force, Whitaker said.
    “We entrust (police) with the ability to take away our freedoms, to make arrests, to intimidate, to use discerning tactics. This clearly can cross the line and become an abuse of those powers,” Whitaker said.”
    http://www.ocregister.com/news/police-369828-righeimer-city.html

    This guy needs to go on CNN, Id love to start making phone calls, but Im afraid of what might happen to the cITY.

    • #488 by Real....tity Is on August 28, 2012

      Bruce in his heart said “damn I guess TBush and I can’t buy everything in this City”.

      Doh! :-)

  94. #489 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    anyone who thinks the dui checkpoints is just about dui’s, is definitely not awake to what’s happening in this country.

    • #490 by Franklin on August 28, 2012

      yeah, checkpoints are the beginning of which ends with gulags… in fact, any organized community action is a step towards evil dictatorship trying to stamp out the individual. wake up, is right…. the thing is, it is you who needs to smell the smelling salts idiot!

      • #491 by DQ on August 29, 2012

        so sad and unhappy you are, such a hater :(

      • #492 by Fred Alcazar on August 29, 2012

        Don’t be a hater. Lol!

  95. #493 by cg on August 28, 2012

    What the Hell is 50K going to do. What is the actual cost of check points. Get rid of all bars in DTF and that will fix the problem.

    • #494 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      exactly

      the loss of life from drunk drivers is horrendous and inexcusable.

    • #495 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

      Thank You CG! I just wrote a little rant about that above. I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed that.

    • #496 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

      5k a checkpoint. It’s about one a month.

  96. #497 by cg on August 28, 2012

    Chris, SHUT UP…..COP LICKER…..Did Tony make you mad….. 2 more kills for FPD today, so proud.

  97. #498 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    omg this guy is going to vote for a democrat now? lol there is no difference now… sad to see how lost some are :(

    • #499 by Franklin on August 28, 2012

      does DQ stand for Dairy Queen? just wondering…

      • #500 by DQ on August 28, 2012

        Excellent question, Franklin, and no, it’s doesn’t stand for Dairy Queen — although I do enjoy a blizzard here and there :)

      • #501 by Fred Alcazar on August 29, 2012

        Don’t be a hater. Please.

        Lol!

  98. #502 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    nothing is more important that our freedom and privacy. nothing.

    • #503 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

      The Citizens of Fullerton who want change and are tired of corruption need to get a second wind. It’s hard to see the old regime try to undo the good.

  99. #504 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    coffman speaks! lol

    • #505 by cg on August 28, 2012

      Chris Christie “ROCKS’

  100. #510 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    yeah, call and report each other – the government loooooves that.

  101. #511 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    da professor got it goin on — listen up!

  102. #512 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    the navy chick has stepped up to the plate – love her!

    • #513 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

      Now it’s someone who is parading the gennaco report and just said there is NO CORRUPTION in the FPD. Wow.

      • #514 by DQ on August 28, 2012

        rotflmao! I know, I am just laughing here — someone who believes what some “outside agency” says, wow, there’s criteria…

        • #515 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

          This guy is just lambasting Bruce Whitaker without any real point. What is happening here?

          • #516 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

            Anal sex. Lube.

            • #517 by DQ on August 28, 2012

              enough ok?

        • #518 by Fred Alcazar on August 29, 2012

          Too bad she doesn’t know the outside agency is really a private law firm for hire that will whitewash water you need whitewashed!

          So sad, but that’s the level of I Heart FPD. Lol!

  103. #519 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    who’s the lady in the hat? she seems like she’s lost?!

    • #520 by peaches on August 29, 2012

      The large white or cream-colored hat? I think that was Roberta Reid; she is a candidate for Council

  104. #521 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

    LOL love it. TBush losing steam and deleting posts again. Thats always a sign of worry! Love it!

    • #522 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      deleting posts?

      • #523 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

        I wish they would delete a few of the troll posts but they don’t.

        • #524 by DQ on August 28, 2012

          free speech applies to government entities — this blog is a private blog and the admin/owner is allowed to remove anyone they choose. That’s the deal and I think the admin/owner is trying to apply free speech as much as is possible, and reasonable….

          • #525 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

            Exactly! I commend that they do so even when people post obnoxious comments that I find bothersome.

          • #526 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

            I’ll behave. Half my posts got deleted. Prolly deserved it too. Excited at this meeting. Fullerton taking the city back from the private purchase.

            • #527 by DQ on August 28, 2012

              Thank you :)

    • #528 by Fred Alcazar on August 29, 2012

      Don’t be a hater. haha. LOL!

  105. #529 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

    Don’t he scared. A few million and you have a chance. Otherwise your gig is up buddy.

    • #530 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      what ARE you babbling about now porky?

      • #531 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

        Great meeting. See me in the 5th row? I’ll wave.

        • #532 by DQ on August 28, 2012

          no, you’ll have to go stand in line to speak so we can see you lol

          • #533 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

            Ha. Tony would fire rounds at me if I did that.

            • #534 by DQ on August 28, 2012

              I’ll protect you, go ahead ;)

    • #535 by Fred Alcazar on August 29, 2012

      Please don’t be a hater. it only hurts yourself. LOL!

      • #536 by Anonymous on August 29, 2012

        Blah, blah, blah, LOL! Blah, blah, blah, LOL! Blah, blah, blah, LOL! Fred, you really are a waste of human life.

  106. #537 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    I am sorry those people were killed by a drunk driver — the fault lies with the judges that let them out of jail, especially AFTER multiple arrests.

    • #538 by Concerned Texan on August 28, 2012

      I agree. It’s also the responsibility of the police to get them off the street as well.

      • #539 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

        Agree. I just don’t agree with us telling the police don’t use certain methods that are legal and used by every other city in the state. Makes no sense. Eliminating that one checkpoint a month could cause more deaths or injuries to innocent people or a repeat offender could Have been caught that night. If it was illegal I could understand. To each his own until the next DUI death in Fullerton. Then all hell will break loose.

        • #540 by DQ on August 28, 2012

          I wouldn’t vote to give up my freedom or privacy for a dui check point when there are other ways of handling this problem; ie close down some of the 50 bars, and more police patrol time (not thug time) in watching those leaving bars.

          • #541 by truthseeker on August 29, 2012

            Liquor peddlers cause the problem and of course MADD never addresses this. The police never address this. The phony preachers NEVER address this. The phony church goers never address this. The neighbors trash cans all clank with bottles when the green bin is hoisted onto the blue truck on collection day. Give up your rights or alcohol dehydrogenase will get you or even worse. Get the fangs off of the jugular of the dying patient called the State of California. Minerva has left the state seal along time ago and Mammon has taken her place with the Phoenix waiting in the wings to make her nest.

  107. #542 by peaches on August 28, 2012

    Ms Silva Quirk has a strange sense of time – called for a “3 minute recess” 8 minutes ago

    • #543 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      yes, she’s bossy and needs a timer for those breaks lol

    • #544 by cg on August 28, 2012

      she had to pee, I guess.

      • #545 by DQ on August 28, 2012

        lol I ran to the girl’s room and got back way before she did!

    • #546 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

      Never in the history of meetings has such a thing happened before.

      Seriously, this particular bit of grousing is beneath you, peaches.

      • #547 by DQ on August 29, 2012

        I don’t read any grousing from peaches, just observations…
        ;)

        • #548 by Greg Diamond on August 29, 2012

          “Has a strange sense of time” is not an “observation,” its a wryly and dryly expressed opinion (one that happens to be unfair, given how often breaks at such meetings go overtime.)

          peaches is no dummy and she presumably already knows this.

          • #549 by DQ on August 29, 2012

            and that is the opinion you are entitled to.

  108. #550 by cg on August 28, 2012

    All I can say, I used to be so happy with my head stuck in the sand. Now that I have pulled my head out of sand for the passed year and half or so, I just want to vomit. Just how many stupid people live in Fullerton. I guess I should count myself as one. OH MY!

    • #551 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      Not stupid, just intentionally uninformed by the powers that be — this is an awakening for millions of us. NOW you’re awake. Much of the stuff we are SEEING with eyes open is vulgar and disgusting for sure… :(

  109. #552 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    Quirk wants transparency now? lmao!

  110. #553 by cg on August 28, 2012

    Nice Hat!!!! She needs another drink. (of water)

    • #554 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      tee hee

  111. #555 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    ok, this guy doesn’t seem to understand — THIS IS POLITICS, IT IS POLITICAL LOL

  112. #556 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

    They need to make an active new post for council meetings so we don’t have to look at Flory all night lol

    • #557 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      I was just thinking the same thing — it’s great we can chat this way — even if we could use a skype or live chat thing!

      Admin? What do you think?

  113. #558 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    OMG SHE’S THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • #559 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

      Sexy old lady lol. She doesn’t have BO by the way. She smelled good walking by lol

      • #560 by DQ on August 28, 2012

        watch it you young whippersnapper! lol

      • #561 by Fred Alcazar on August 29, 2012

        She is not better looking than your dog, O’Malley.

        • #562 by Porky Pig on August 29, 2012

          Liar. My pig is sexy.

          • #563 by Jane H on August 29, 2012

            An admission!

            • #564 by Porky Pig on August 29, 2012

              That I have a pig? Yes. My name is Peter.

              • #565 by Jane H on August 30, 2012

                You got the “P” right, Patrick.

  114. #566 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    TELL ME she’s NOT running for the MWD!!!!!!!

  115. #567 by cg on August 28, 2012

    I saw her broom parked out front.

    • #568 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      ;)

  116. #569 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    I think they should open the position to all residents of Fullerton. Good idea.

  117. #570 by cg on August 28, 2012

    Quirky is slappin some pee pee….I hate her.

    • #571 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      she is certainly upset isn’t she? she seems to have taken personal offense when challenged ;)

      • #572 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

        Type A teacher.

        • #573 by DQ on August 28, 2012

          If she was teaching my kids, I’m sure she and I would be butting heads often lol

  118. #574 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    quirky is a nasty little snot isn’t she? rude as well!

  119. #575 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    she was just shut down! whoohoooo!

  120. #576 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    chaffee wants to just sit there and talk about himself without interruption — but quirk can interrupt whitaker… hmmm….

  121. #577 by cg on August 28, 2012

    WOW, this is better than WWE….

    • #578 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      heh heh heh!

  122. #579 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    go travis go travis go travis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  123. #580 by Pork Chops on August 28, 2012

    Wheeeeeeee Travis is turning pink.

    • #581 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      would you get in line already so we can see who we’re aiming at, I mean looking at?! lol

  124. #582 by runningair on August 28, 2012

    Has Sharon found a way to blame Chris Norby for anything tonight?

    • #583 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      not that I’ve heard yet…

  125. #584 by JustUs on August 28, 2012

    I noticed that MADD was out in force tonight at the Council meeting slamming the rejection of the $50,000 DUI checkpoint grant rejection.

    I loved it when Travis got back in the MADD rep’s face and asked her why MADD did not show up at a prior Council meeting and condemn FPD’s practice of hiring a recruit with a KNOWN DUI – who later as a cop reoffended with a SECOND DUI. You should have seen her face. Classic deer in the headlights!!!

    NICE JOB, TRAVIS! I’m really starting to like you, man. You’re making me believe that you are the real deal. You’re like the classic bull in the china shop up on the dais! Screw protocol! :D Keep doing more of what you’re doing, Travis. You’re the people’s representative. Somebody needs to shake the rotten fruit from the tree!. You da man, Travis!!

    • #585 by DQ on August 28, 2012

      right on! :) missy quirky didn’t like that tho lol

    • #586 by Serpico on August 28, 2012

      Good job. Has to go both ways. Not just FFFF Tbushs way or just the cops way. Both ways. Live n learn both sides.

    • #587 by JOHN DOE on August 28, 2012

      I think Kiger and Whitaker should learn how to keep their mouths shut. McKinley, Jones or Bankhead were no allowed to answer or ask questions of the public. They do what they want to do. Sharon will you do something. These idiots have got to go.

      • #588 by DQ on August 29, 2012

        rotflmao! good one lol

      • #589 by Fred Alcazar on August 29, 2012

        Um, Jones was mayor. he chose not to say anything. Except:

        WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT UP!

        LOL!

  126. #590 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    anaheimistan is like that — they like to control the people…

  127. #591 by Flock of Seagulls on August 28, 2012

    WTF was Keger rambling about regarding mutual aid? Fullerton will assist Anaheim when they need help like Anaheim will assist Fullerton.

    • #592 by JOHN DOE on August 28, 2012

      Kiger is an idiot!!

    • #593 by Fred Alcazar on August 29, 2012

      Yes let’s provide aid when the APD declares martial law and assaults its own citizens!! LOL!

      • #594 by DQ on August 29, 2012

        when you’re right you’re right — anaheimistan is on thin ice now — we’ll be watching their decisions closely…

  128. #595 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    FPD doesn’t need training for crowd control by anyone from Anaheimistan! Hell no!

  129. #596 by DQ on August 28, 2012

    thank you to whomever popped that live link in here — I greatly appreciate it.

    I would like to make a motion that the admin(s) set up a place for live chat during the council sessions, please :)

    ttttthat’s all folks :)

  130. #597 by JOHN DOE on August 28, 2012

    OOOOOOOOO…Marlena has the playbook. Marlena who gives a shit. Threats will get you nowhere.

  131. #598 by Chapeau on August 29, 2012

    According to this VOC article, Bruce Whitaker said the FPOA frightened another Fullerton councilman into voting against getting a police services proposal from the OCSD.

    http://voiceofoc.org/oc_coast/article_a5185e5c-f16c-11e1-a44f-0019bb2963f4.html

    Is Bruce talking about Doug Chaffee or Greg Sebourn?

    And why isn’t this being reported here on FFFF?

    • #599 by Porky Pig on August 29, 2012

      Brucey is skeered. It’s politics baby. Game on.

      • #600 by Chapeau on August 29, 2012

        If the frightened councilman was Chaffee, you’d think some FFFF blogger would be piling on to Whitaker’s revelation.

        If the frightened councilman was Sebourn, is FFFF looking the other way because he’s an FFFFer?

        What about this blog’s mission to “promote accountability in government”?

  132. #601 by Stanley Fiala on August 29, 2012

    Greg Diamond :
    Stanley, you’re an old-style anti-Semite of the sort rarely found anymore in the wild. You’ve left a trail miles wide in OJB posting as “From the Exile” and other names (including your own) for anyone who wants to check it out.
    I’m actually far less inclined to call people anti-Semitic than most Jews I know. But your level of “Protocol of the Elders of Zion” inferences of dark cabals and such is amazing. You just don’t see that around much anymore.

    ………. Hmmmmm
    I strongly re command to you Golem that you get a tinfoil Yamaka to protect you against anti-Semitic paranoia and strange voices in your stupid Zionist head.

    Here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism, you can learn about Zionism you ignorant moron mongoloid. After you read it, tell me if you are still supporting the above crapola about “Protocol of the Elders of Zion”

    As I have commented on your promotion of the abortion in your fucking OJ, which you have not printed, I have stated that you have lot in common with Adolf who to promoted abortion.

    I wonder why you have not been delivered earlier by use of the coat-hanger-forceps?

    • #602 by real blogga's make you holla on August 29, 2012

      I wonder too.

  133. #603 by Tuco Ramirez on August 29, 2012

    Stanley needs a day of rest!

    • #604 by Stanley Fiala on August 29, 2012

      “Stanley needs a day of rest!”………. Hmmmmm

      Why Tuco?

    • #605 by real blogga's make you holla on August 29, 2012

      greg the dumpster diving occuturd needs to take the day off.

  134. #606 by Stanley Fiala on August 30, 2012

    Tuco Ramirez :
    A pathetic post filled with vile hatred!

    Tuco Ramirez :
    A pathetic post filled with vile hatred!

    ………… Hmmmmm

    If I would be gay, I would fill my pathetic post with kisses to you and make love to your rectum.

    Would that make you happy?….. you ultra-liberal-talking-points-recitalist.

    • #607 by The Fullertonista on August 30, 2012

      Meds, Stanley. They’re prescribed for a reason. Take them.

    • #608 by DQ on August 30, 2012

      What’s with the preoccupation with anal sex here? Is there nothing else you can come up with? Knock it off.

      • #609 by The Fullerton Harpoon on August 30, 2012

        The guy is a kook. Pay him no attention and he goes away.

        • #610 by Stanley Fiala on August 30, 2012

          “The guy is a kook(sic)”………. Hmmmmmm

          The correct spelling is cook with “c”.

          • #611 by real blogga's make you holla on August 30, 2012

            hey stanley COOK would be c.onsiderd anti-semite

        • #613 by DQ on August 30, 2012

          How about they both go away? This is not a site about sex nor jews nor anything else that they are preoccupied with. I vote they are both banned now.

      • #614 by Stanley Fiala on August 30, 2012

        “What’s with the preoccupation with anal sex here?”……… Hmmmmm

        Since the anal sex is the only sex the gay men can engage in, by way of your statement, you are clearly showing that you are gay basher and gay hater!

  135. #615 by Stanley Fiala on August 30, 2012

    Greg Diamond :
    Stanley, you’re an old-style anti-Semite of the sort rarely found anymore in the wild.

    ……….. Hmmmmmm
    Here is what contemporary Latino brothers think about you Golem.

    Humiliation of Mexican Workers(Jornaleros)
    by an American Jew

    Jews are constantly accusing others of racism and anti-semitism.
    This video proves that they can be extreme bigots as well……… http://www.aztlan.net/jew_humiliates_mexican_workers.htm

    • #616 by George Lincoln Rockwell on August 30, 2012

      What if you don’t care what Mexicans think? Does it still count?

      • #617 by Stanley Fiala on August 30, 2012

        Sure, I have big Mexican family here and in Mexico.

        • #618 by Stanley Fiala on August 30, 2012

          I should ad that I have several Jews relatives in this Mexican family too.

        • #619 by real blogga's make you holla on August 30, 2012

          a mexican with a big family, wow I thought that was a myth

  136. #620 by DQ on August 30, 2012

    Greg and Stanley need to get their own site so they can discuss things not related to this site — I’m tired of their 12 year old arguing and issues.

    • #621 by Stanley Fiala on August 30, 2012

      “Greg and Stanley need to get their own site”…….. Hmmmmmm

      FYI,
      Greg has his at http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/; and
      Stanley has his at http://orangejuice.ocsatire.com/

      However, we have banned each other from our sites so we are glogless.

      • #622 by DQ on August 30, 2012

        I don’t care where they are! Just go there and continue your inane diatribes so we don’t have to see the hate and negativity you both spew! Go!

        • #623 by Stanley Fiala on August 30, 2012

          “Just go there and continue your inane diatribes so we don’t have to see the hate and negativity you both spew! Go!”………. Hmmmmm

          Are you stupid or what?
          Can’t you read English?

          We have mutually destructed our selves!

          As to you DQ, the majority of your comments are troll like crapola below 10 age level especially when you engage Golem.

          Besides, you are yellow coward who will not put his name in support of it.

          So, may be you should GO!

          Every blog or forum as an ass-kisser like you who thinks that he is above the all and want to dictate.

          FYI, you are just another anger driven moron mongoloid.

          • #624 by DQ on August 30, 2012

            You’ve made my point yet again, hate and negativity spewed at the speed of light… you are sad and classless.

            • #625 by Stanley Fiala on August 30, 2012

              “you are sad and classless”……… Hmmmmmm

              Correct!…… and that is why I ran for Santa Ana council in 2002, Mayor 2004, 2006 and 2008.

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  138. #627 by Jurnalist on February 12, 2013

    JOHN DOE :I think Kiger and Whitaker should learn how to keep their mouths shut. McKinley, Jones or Bankhead were no allowed to answer or ask questions of the public. They do what they want to do. Sharon will you do something. These idiots have got to go.

    Sharon= will you do anything? That once in office asshole, will have her job back at the elementary school, she is what we all refer to as a ME-HO, she cares about nothing but herself,sharon help? what is she gonna bring in banners and socks, sharon..lmao, sharon- helps no one but the cops she fucks.

  139. #628 by Anonymous on February 12, 2013

    John Doe is talking about Kiger and Whitaker. What the hell are you talking about..dumbshit.?

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