101 thoughts on “Ben Lira Talks to The Fullertonian

  1. Thank you for posting this and spreading the word. I’m open to talking to any local media in Fullerton and allowing the citizens of Fullerton decide for themselves who they want to believe. I’ve received soooo much support from “both sides” and it means a lot to me. So far 6 other police officers want to come forward and I’ve received random phone calls and emails from former and current FPD saying they support me. I got a call late last night from a source and was told Felz already knew everything reference the email i sent him and chose not to do anything. If this is true, it’s a sad day for citizens of Fullerton bcuz that means Felz is no better then Danny and they both must go!
    God bless

    1. Ben, I don’t know who to believe, but I know who I can’t believe: Felz and Hughes, Flory and Chaffee.

      They can pay out huge settlements on our dime to avoid facts getting out, but they can’t hide the truth forever.

      1. Good point. I agree, and frankly if you dont know whether to believe me then don’t. I don’t expect everyone to jump on the Ben Lira band wagon. Let me earn your respect. I have a lot planned/coming out in the near future for people to decide on their own. I will say this. Lets give the new city council members a chance to prove us right/wrong. I don’t know Chafee or Flory but I will say I saw Chafee once while driving by him and he respectfully saluted me and I’ll never forget that bcuz I thought it was honorable. I don’t know Flory but I’ve met her son and he is an awesome guy, really he is. Lets just hope he got some of that from his mom……
        God bless

        1. “Let me earn your respect”……….. Hmmmmm

          I believe that it is too late for that.

          Somewhere, I have read that you have been with the FPD for about 17 years.

          Why did you waited 17 years to come out with your allegations?….. why not the first year?

          Since you have condone the corruption for about 17 years you can’t be trusted regardless whether or not you telling the truth now.

          Anyone who will believes you is a fool.

          1. Uh, I’ve been reporting this corruption for 17years. That’s the whole issue, FPD management tolerates it depending on who it is. I’m the fool for staying there 17 years and putting up with it.

    2. I am greatly encouraged when I read this post this morning, and saw that Benjamin Lira has received a great amount of support from both inside and outside of the police department.

      It actually deepens my respect and admiration for Benjamin Lira that Barry Coffman doesn’t like him.

      .

  2. The McKinnley cancer runs very deep in the FPD, it has matasized and the whole department needs to be removed. Bring in the Sheriff, Hutchins has more honor in her little finger than the entire FPD.

    1. Let the fun and games begin in earnest.

      Ben I will send you a email later, would love to pick your brain on a number of issues.

      We will see in time how Barry Coffman aka John Doe handles his business in a LAWFUL way to refute what is coming down the pipe.

      Ben is displaying some SERIOUS courage that I can’t remember the last time I saw personally from a cop.

      As I said long ago, when the INNER ranks come forth, the regime will FALL.

      1. The reason why I great respect for Ben Lira is because he is open and honest so in the spirit of that I think all discussions should happen here and in the open.

        Nothing should be hidden from public view or should be considered privileged information considering the allegations being made.

        The FBI won’t release anything and parts of Michael Gennaco’s report is private. Quite frankly I am tired of this brotherhood/secrecy/us vs. them culture that has permeated law enforcement.

    2. McKinley cancer runs very deep, and this is why Ron Thomas has named recently retired Fullerton Police chief Pat McKinley in his wrongful death lawsuit

  3. Kudos to you Ben for coming out and telling the truth! Even though I don’t like it that you helped bail out Ramos, I have much respect for you for telling the truth! There is so much corruption in so many PDs, it’s sickening! If only ALL of the good, conscientious police officers would stand up and do the right thing, our world would be a better place!

  4. Interesting fact; Fullerton Police Officer Ben Lira admits the “culture of corruption” existed when Pat Mckinley was Fullerton PD’s chief.
    Lira claims his seventeen year career with Fullerton PD, most of it spent while McKinley was running his police force called Fullerton PD, he witnessed racial perjoratives used against minorities in fullerton’s community and on the police force.
    According to Lira, Fullerton PD did and still does have a “culture of corruption” that oppresses those officers who dare challenge this culture .
    what I find particularly interesting about Fullerton PD officer Lira’s observations of racism and civil rights abuses while on this police force, is Fullerton Police chief Pat McKinley also served as a member of Rusty Kennedy’s Orange County Human Relations Commission. Why in 1999, Rusty Kennedy’s Orange County Human Relations Commission gave then Fullerton Police Chief Mckinley an award plus a thousand dollars for his police force’s outstanding police-community relations.
    And here is the odd fact about Rusty Kennedy’s commission. His commission’s mission statement claims to act as a “clearinghouse” and mediator” for OC communities’ complaints of civil rights abuses comitted upon them by their respective law enforcement agencies.
    Rusty Kennedy has lived most of his life in Fullerton, and Pat Mckinley served on Rusty’s commission, and yet Rusty Kennedy and I guess Pat McKinley were not aware of racism or corruption occuring at fullerton PD?

    1. You can go back at least to Wayne Bornhoft for ‘culture of corruption’. FPD has always run its own ship with little ‘civilian interference’.

      1. I remember Bornhoft. However, I don’t remember Bornhoft serving on a county commission that claimed to effect positive police-community relations.
        McKinley did serve on a county commission that claimed to effect positive police-community relations, and he received an award for personally effecting outstanding police community relations in the city of fullerton from Orange County Human Relations commission.
        Due to this fact, I would hold Mckinley to a higher standard of conduct than Bornhoft.
        When McKinley accepted the community-policing award from this commission, it is reasonable for the community of fullerton to infer McKinley knew right from wrong when it came to law enforcement violating a community’s civil rights, racism directed at same community minorites and at minority officers who served under him.

        1. Dear Van get it.. You’re right! Bornhoft wasn’t held to a higher standard. We kind of expected cops to be brutish a-holes back in the bad old 70s.

          1. At least bornhoftian cops in the 1970’s were honest about their beliefs; these good old boys fom the dubious good old days actions matched their words.

        2. “When McKinley accepted the community-policing award from this commission, it is reasonable for the community of fullerton to infer McKinley knew right from wrong when it came to law enforcement violating a community’s civil rights, racism directed at same community minorites and at minority officers who served under him.”

          We need another post about McKinley. Lying is second nature to him.

          Van, thanks for consistently reminding us that much of this recent corruption started with him.

          1. Jane, I’m not claiming Fullerton PD did not have civil rights abuses prior to Pat McKinley’s tenure as police chief.
            Based on Lira’s letter, Voice of OC, OC Weekly articles on Fullerton PD, Los Angeles Times and other national news media sources, and McKinley’s own words drawn from his interview on CNN, it is reasonable for me to point out the irony of Fullerton Police Chief Pat McKinley’s at best refusing to acknowledge his police force’s civil rights abuses committed upon Fullerton’s community and his minority police officers and his serving as a member representing law enforcement on tax funded, county commission whose mission statement was and is to promote civil rights, appreciation of diversity and law enforcement sensitivity to minorities, including the disabled.
            McKinley’s position on the Orange County Human Relations Commission tells the public, McKinley was and is more acutely aware of what constitutes civil rights abuses, especially when committed by law enforcemnt upon the community it has vowed to serve and protect and within same law enforcement’s own organization.
            What double downs on this irony, is the fact that Rusty kennedy, executive director of Orange County Human Relations Commission, gave Fullerton Police Chief Pat McKinley a $1000 and an award for McKinley’s outstanding police-community program.

            1. Rules and laws are meaningless to the selfimportantized mind.

              Actually breaking them is the goal.

              CNN was his peak of achievement, so sad, if it werent so bad!

    2. He was given an award for his departments outstanding police-community relations? I have to wonder if he shared the money with the department, or kept it for himself? I mean the department was involved he didn’t do it all by himself, right?

      1. I thought public servants had to account for all monies received even if from the private sector to ensure these same monies are not disguised as bribes

  5. I really want to beleive that Mr. Lira’s brave action will get the ball rolling to have serious, thoughtful reform of FPD. But, there’s a part of my mind that is very skeptical about how Mr. Lira is playing his hand. Without competent, trustworthy counsel behind him, I think he will make serious mistakes that could negate what he is trying to do.

    Mr. Lira, be careful and smart about this.

  6. If Lira came out just several weeks earlier there would have been a different day in Fullerton. Lira clammed up until the moment that Travis was defeated. He knew what the political landscape was and is now. The uphill climb for reforms in Fullerton and Mr. Lira just got a lot steeper on election day.

    1. True. The only way for truth to come out is in court. Now there will be a bunch of super-expensive settlements and no trials.

      Just the way Mardirossian and Hughes and Felz want it.

      Only Whitaker represents the taxpayer’s and citizen’s interests.

  7. I think what really needs to be discussed at the City Council meetings, was why Joe Felz and the public employees unions decided to “ice” Benjamin Lira on administrative leave until after the City Council election was over in November?

    I’m not sure if that was part of the democratic process that everyone is claiming was evident?

    Does anyone seriously think that this wouldn’t have nose-dived SSSSSSharon Quirk SSSSSilva’s chances of being elected?

    SSSSSSSSSSSilva’s win gave the Democrats a super majority in the state legislature, however I suspect that they did so by concealing Benjamin Lira’s testimony and e-mails until after the election was over.

      1. I’ll tell you what was more telling Shimon, was the last City Council meeting that SSSilva presided over that Barry Coffman and the boys stayed at until midnight trying to do an end around Bruce Whittaker to get Dan Hughes annointed er, I mean appointed, to the position of the Chief of Police before she gave up the gavel as Mayor of Fullerton.

        Watch the archived tape on the City of Fullerton’s website, and when this issue gets discussed, pay particular attention to the desperation in her tone, and in her actions when speaking on behalf of selecting Dan Hughes, and tell me whether or not you reach a similar conclusion.

    1. Good point. A lot of things were buried until more relaible councilmembers could be dredged up.

      29. The difference between good government and what we are going to get now.

  8. Why did it take so long for just one officer to speak out against the repeated injustices of our police force? Why only one?

    Please don’t get me wrong, I am very grateful and appreciative of Officer Lira for speaking the truth when it is so unpopular and uncomfortable for him to do so. What scares and saddens me is that it took a year and a half for one man to speak up, and that countless others have hundreds of reasons to fear doing so.

    A city where the fear of ostracization by fellow police officers over-rides the pull that a man with a badge should feel to protect innocent members of his city is a dangerous place to live. It is meant to be “serve and protect” us, the citizens, not just each other.

    Officer Lira, if you are still reading; What can we do as a community to encourage other officers to speak out regarding the corruption in the FPD that has been hidden from us for years?

    If I was a millionaire I would offer them protection, and compensation for their expected termination, but I am not. From your position on the inside, I would appreciate some insight on how we should attempt to move forward with true reform by removing ALL of the bad apples.

    Everyone in our city should be fearful of a man like Dan Hughes being handed the right and privilege to lead our police force.

    1. Unfortunately the only way a qui tam whistlblower case would apply is if it can be proven that previous City Council colluded with FPD to defraud the city of funds for personal enrichment – oh wait, what was the water tax and the pension spiking that Flory helped ratify?

  9. Because he has nothing to lose. Others that are still employed there will not say anything for fear of loosing their jobs. Ben is absolutely correct. There is so many Fullerton police officers that have been passed over. There is good old boys group that always promotes. I know of one officer that asked for a change of assignment like five times and was denied. Yet the same people with less time prosper. There is is a lot disgruntle employees there seniority means nothing if you are not a good old boy.

      1. I would be interested in getting Kenton Hampton’s opinion about racism in the FPD. Too bad nobody can trust what he has to say after the Veth Mam case.

    1. Please show your support by attending the Fullerton City Council meeting on January 15th.

      FPD Officer Benjamin Lira will speak at the city council meeting.

      Fullerton’s newly appointed Chief Dan Hughes will be the topic of Lira’s allotted time.

  10. Ben, I believe you. I know how it is in civil service because I have been there.

    When one cannot feel safe, he does what he needs to do.

    1. “Oh, Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling
      From glen to glen and down the mountain side
      The summer’s gone and all the roses falling
      It’s you, it’s you, must go and I must bide
      [ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/h/harry+connick+jr/oh+danny+boy_20807710.html ]
      But come ye back when summer’s in the meadow
      Or when the valley’s hushed and white with snow
      It’s I’ll be here in sunshine or in shadow
      Oh, Danny boy, oh, Danny boy, I love you so

      But when ye come and all the flowers are dying
      If I am dead and dead I well may be
      You’ll come and find the place where I am lying
      And kneel and say an ‘Ave’ there for me” – song Oh Danny Boy

  11. Shimon Mendel :
    Felz will claim they needed all this time to prepare the Skelly letter (written intent to terminate).

    Fullerton Lover :
    I’ll tell you what was more telling Shimon, was the last City Council meeting that SSSilva presided over that Barry Coffman and the boys stayed at until midnight trying to do an end around Bruce Whittaker to get Dan Hughes annointed er, I mean appointed, to the position of the Chief of Police before she gave up the gavel as Mayor of Fullerton.
    Watch the archived tape on the City of Fullerton’s website, and when this issue gets discussed, pay particular attention to the desperation in her tone, and in her actions when speaking on behalf of selecting Dan Hughes, and tell me whether or not you reach a similar conclusion.

    Fullerton Lover :
    I think what really needs to be discussed at the City Council meetings, was why Joe Felz and the public employees unions decided to “ice” Benjamin Lira on administrative leave until after the City Council election was over in November?
    I’m not sure if that was part of the democratic process that everyone is claiming was evident?
    Does anyone seriously think that this wouldn’t have nose-dived SSSSSSharon Quirk SSSSSilva’s chances of being elected?
    SSSSSSSSSSSilva’s win gave the Democrats a super majority in the state legislature, however I suspect that they did so by concealing Benjamin Lira’s testimony and e-mails until after the election was over.

    They are their own worst enemies, Yeah timing of events means nothing in the age the internet, Tonys Harem, and FFFFers aspirations for world domioination! 🙁 🙂

    Just after the Kelly Thomas incident came to light Felz got a super super sweet contract and severance package (super sweet because he is wholly underqualified and in charge of the FPD).

    1. Felz has lost control to the City Council.

      I wish I had all that unfunded money to throw about my whims and greed. But then I usually have a heart and dont wish for the ills of others.

        1. According to the council, Felz is a nobody. He is just an ornament at the city council meetings. Whitaker himself said Hughes would report to the council instead of Felz. So why is he still here?

  12. Both Silva and Felz have a Libertarian boss who demanded the delay so that Chris Norby and Travis Kiger would be elected.

    Unfortunately, this didn’t help a bit. Both guys were beaten by girls.

    1. Have you ever seen Felz and Silva together? I have. Silva can make him roll in shit. If she says so. He is dumb as a box of rocks. Along with his dumb ass friend Hugo. Another box of rocks.

  13. Interesting that you’re all now worshipping at the feet of someone who is attempting to retire on a stress claim.

    That interview was 41 minutes of vague allegations and no evidence. When pressed, Lira basically said, “I could give it to you but I’m not going to.”

      1. Sellers is a fat slob, he has no excuse but if what Ben Lira says its true then he faced an unbelievably stressful work environment for nearly 17 years and deserves every bit of it.

  14. The (hypocritical) elephant in the room :
    Interesting that you’re all now worshipping at the feet of someone who is attempting to retire on a stress claim.
    That interview was 41 minutes of vague allegations and no evidence. When pressed, Lira basically said, “I could give it to you but I’m not going to.”

    THE TEXTBOOK MIND OF A SELF INTERESTED FOOL, TRYING TO PREACH A WISDOM OF HIS OWN Failure.

  15. The real cancer is the entire command of FPD. Hopefully someday soon, they’ll be joining Ramos, Ciscinelli, and Wolfe in prison.

  16. MCSATANS GLORY :

    The (hypocritical) elephant in the room :
    Interesting that you’re all now worshipping at the feet of someone who is attempting to retire on a stress claim.
    That interview was 41 minutes of vague allegations and no evidence. When pressed, Lira basically said, “I could give it to you but I’m not going to.”

    THE TEXTBOOK MIND OF A SELF INTERESTED FOOL, TRYING TO PREACH A WISDOM OF HIS OWN Failure.

    Hmm tell 17 years worth of Corruption in 41 minutes?

    Okay McSatan you could though right, cause you the ball less fool and FPD spokesman?

    Just asking?

    1. My name is sarcastic my commented reply was for “The (hypocritical) elephant in the rooms” comment. Sorry 🙂

  17. “A high cholesterol diet doesn’t cause cancer!”
    True
    Cancer is a chronic metabolic disorder. It is basically a nitriloside deficiency in modern man’s diet. Simplistically the nitriloside compounds are a sugar and a cyanide molecule linked in a chemical bond that is only enzymatically cleaved at the site of tumor formation. If there are no nitrolisides present in the diet and subsequently the body then cancer grows out of control.

    “A lack of honor in a Police Department causes brutality and injustice”
    True
    Brutality and injustice is an endemic problem with law enforcement. It is basically a deficiency of integrity within the confines of a municipality’s paramilitary organization. Simplistically the moral attribute of integrity is predominately bound up in those who are courageous and ethical and is utilized most efficiently in times of great distress in dealing with the public. In a ethical department, conflict and adrenalin releases integrity with positive outcomes. If there is little or no integrity coupled with honor and courage present, the cancer of brutality and injustice flourishes. The treatment is very costly. It is however covered by insurance. The carrier is called the taxpayer for the first million, and the other carrier is called the taxpayer who bailed out AIG who is the insurance company. Cheeseburgers are not the culprit. They have a bad rap in my opinion.

    1. Dont forget narsicistic rage and lack of empathy for those not in or with their own circles. Fits like a puzzle piece.

  18. Pat mcsatan and danny boy have gay ritualized satanic sex and out of that springs the cult of corruption over at the pd.

  19. I’m just tickled pink that the swine are at each other’s throats. That’s what I call productive developments. Hughes can pull the wool over the eyes of naive civilians. But it’s pretty hard to BS a 17 year veteran. i hope Hughes wakes up regularly from cold sweats. If another two or three insiders jump ship and run to the media his reign is all but over.

    1. The heart never forgets, I reviewed this DAMN!!!

      Liras statements have brought up old questions.

      CNN Youtube Video with Garo Mardirossian, Gennaco.
      12 minutes
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

      FFFF post,

      “Excessive Force Victims Lawyer Up Against Fullerton PD
      Posted by Joe Sipowicz in Behind Closed Doors, Dead heads, Dick Jones, Don Bankhead, Patdown Pat McPension, The Crime Beat, Watch Your Wallet on August 16th, 2011”

      “Looks like lawyer Garo Mardirossian has the City of Fullerton squarely in his sights. He is representing the Thomas family in the beating death of their son Kelly. Here’s the CNN interview including a snippet from Michael Gennaco. Interestingly Mr. Mardirossian is now also representing the man who was thrown around by FPD officer Kenton Hampton and subsequently jailed and wrongly prosecuted by the DA based on fraudulent evidence from the Fullerton cops.”

      http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/excessive-force-victims-lawyer-up-against-fullerton-pd/

        1. #82 by Free Spirit, My Ass on August 18, 2011
          Again, prepare to be disappointed. You can’t be convicted of something you will never be charged with.

  20. Should Ben Lira’s case get to trial, which I dearly hope, and he can demonstrate and convince a jury, that collusion existed between ranking officials in the FPD and City Council that directly contributed to the culture and environment that led to retaliatory conduct against him, he’ll be entitled to not only tort, but punitive damages. And if he can demonstrate fraud and collusion, he could pierce the protective veil past city council and FPD managers possess and they can be held personally liable. Either way, we’re looking at millions if this gets in front of a jury. The people are pissed and are going to be looking to place blame. The City of Fullerton, city council constituents and city manager Felz will be on the hook. Whose going to be writing the checks to pay for all the lawyers everyone’s going to have to retain. Residence of Fullerton are going to be buried in legal fees, awards and settlements. Our pot holes are going to turn to sink holes that are going to swallow this town up if our elected officials don’t quickly ratify swift and corrective action.

    1. “Residence of Fullerton are going to be buried in legal fees, awards and settlements”………. Hmmmmmm

      Good!

      They just had a chance to elect the council which would most likely put the end to such corruption and they elected [not] to.

      Enjoy!

      1. And the residents sadly will regret some of the choices they made. But I’m going to hold out that the new council members are going to have to bow to the public outcry and pressure and ultimately produce those accountable for the practices Lira is speaking of for prosecution – why? Because they don’t want to be on the hook. And the games shall begin. Who is going to fold first – rather who is going to be bold enough to stand next to Lira and for complete transparency. The cross hairs of justice are finding their target, not surprisingly, on the back of FPD management and those on the City Council who have essentially rubber stamped their practices and conduct leading up to the insidious state of the FPD today. Healing? We’re way past that. The City Council is going to have to wipe their hands of the mess created by the FPD, and sadly, it’s going to come at the expense of the taxpayers and residents.

        1. “And the games shall begin”……… Hmmmmm

          Don’t hold your breath!

          The COPs and management are held to a different standard of law in such cases.

          The only way anyone can be convicted is if they would be lying to the investigators — never for the original charges!

          Virtually everyone in such scandals is acquitted from the original charges and found guilty for lying to the investigators i.e. Martha Stewart, Mike Carona, Bill Clinton, etc. etc. etc.

          So if everyone will tell the truth, noting will happen — as in repented of intemperate behavior.

  21. All of the information that you would want to prove that Mr. Lira is telling the truth is public information! You just need to know where to look and what to ask for and be specific? Nobody at any department is going to volunteer to give the public any of this. You need to look at the police officers activity sheets, look at the DA’s rejection forms, read the probable cause declaration, crime reports, investigators activity logs, and compare them to the jail arrest logs. You will find the discrepancies, inconsistencies, lack of lawful detentions and arrest, lack of elements of crimes with present and past supervisor’s signatures on all of these forms. You will then be able to see what Mr. Lira is speaking about.

  22. E-TICKET :
    Should Ben Lira’s case get to trial, which I dearly hope, and he can demonstrate and convince a jury, that collusion existed between ranking officials in the FPD and City Council that directly contributed to the culture and environment that led to retaliatory conduct against him, he’ll be entitled to not only tort, but punitive damages. And if he can demonstrate fraud and collusion, he could pierce the protective veil past city council and FPD managers possess and they can be held personally liable. Either way, we’re looking at millions if this gets in front of a jury. The people are pissed and are going to be looking to place blame. The City of Fullerton, city council constituents and city manager Felz will be on the hook. Whose going to be writing the checks to pay for all the lawyers everyone’s going to have to retain. Residence of Fullerton are going to be buried in legal fees, awards and settlements. Our pot holes are going to turn to sink holes that are going to swallow this town up if our elected officials don’t quickly ratify swift and corrective action.

    They are worried about their butts and checkbooks. Its doubtful anything else matters, if you analyse those actions and behavior.

  23. I’m surprised that good ol’ Ron Thomas isn’t taking credit for this latest turn in events…or have I missed something?

    Mr. Lira, should Ron come a’knocking, send him a’walking. He flocks to anywhere the attention and media are but remember, he bedded Danny first and when you lie with dogs…well, you know. You would lose more credibility. Stick to your attorney’s counsel and work with the community. Good luck to you and thank you.

    1. Don’t worry, Mr Lira will never be seen with Ron. Its because of Ron that his three bros are on trial and the department could be disbanded.

      Notice Mr Lira never talks about the corruption and conduct of his fellow brohams like Albert Rincon, Todd Major, Sonny Black, Vincent Mater, Kenton Hampton, Joe Wolfe, Manny Ramos and Jay Cicinelli. No, its all about Dan Hughes.

      A light went off the moment he started worshiping the likes of “Dopey” Doug Chafee and Jan “Gin” Flory and during the interview he spewed Doug’s talking points about “Community Policing” but I digress.

      First he says he doesn’t know them but can somehow remember Doug saluting him (which is very odd) then he says he doesn’t know Gin Floozy but knows her son (HMM!).

      On top of this, he went public AFTER the election. It’s clear Mr Lira is playing politics.

      Here’s what I think Mr Lira’s game plan is. The longer Dan and upper management stays on, the more inclined people will be to disband the department.

      Dopey Doug, Gin Floozy and others waiting in the wings are done if this happens. Without support from the FPOA, its game over and The Association of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs may be less inclined to support them.

      So here comes Lira out nowhere trying to push Dan and others like Barry the beached whale out. The idea is that once they’re out the citizens of fullerton will become complacent and think “Gee, lets give the new administration a try before we make any rash decisions about disbanding”.

      The ugly reality is that the same thugs will still be there. Mr Congeniality will probably try to slip back in as union president or maybe even chief but make no mistake, he’s not going to go off into the sunset to never be heard of again.

      He’s trying to save the department while trying to deflect blame for the actions of his thuggish brothers onto management. Notice when he mentions racism, he never talks about his fellow officers, its always management.

      The fact that he can find fault with the union for not supporting the likes of his pals Manny Ramos and Jay Cicinelli and hasn’t condemned the death of Kelly Thomas shows you whose said he’s on.

      Ask yourselves, why is he going after the one guy who allowed protests in front of the department and didn’t brutally assault protesters like Anaheim PD did and also worked with Ron Thomas with getting details out about what happened?

      They’re all corrupt bastards but Mr Lira is actively working to keep that corruption alive and well while pretending to be on your side.

      Its all BULLSH!T! Its all PR! Its all politics! End the corruption! Disband the FPD!

  24. Don’t worry, Mr Lira will never be seen with Ron. Its because of Ron that his three bros are on trial and the department could be disbanded.

    Notice Mr Lira never talks about the corruption and conduct of his fellow brohams like Albert Rincon, Todd Major, Sonny Black, Vincent Mater, Kenton Hampton, Joe Wolfe, Manny Ramos and Jay Cicinelli. No, its all about Dan Hughes.

    A light went off the moment he started worshiping the likes of “Dopey” Doug Chafee and Jan “Gin” Flory and during the interview he spewed Doug’s talking points about “Community Policing” but I digress.

    First he says he doesn’t know them but can somehow remember Doug saluting him (which is very odd) then he says he doesn’t know Gin Floozy but knows her son (HMM!).

    On top of this, he went public AFTER the election. It’s clear Mr Lira is playing politics.

    Here’s what I think Mr Lira’s game plan is. The longer Dan and upper management stays on, the more inclined people will be to disband the department.

    Dopey Doug, Gin Floozy and others waiting in the wings are done if this happens. Without support from the FPOA, its game over and The Association of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs may be less inclined to support them.

    So here comes Lira out nowhere trying to push Dan and others like Barry the beached whale out. The idea is that once they’re out the citizens of fullerton will become complacent and think “Gee, lets give the new administration a try before we make any rash decisions about disbanding”.

    The ugly reality is that the same thugs will still be there. Mr Congeniality will probably try to slip back in as union president or maybe even chief but make no mistake, he’s not going to go off into the sunset to never be heard of again.

    He’s trying to save the department while trying to deflect blame for the actions of his thuggish brothers onto management. Notice when he mentions racism, he never talks about his fellow officers, its always management.

    The fact that he can find fault with the union for not supporting the likes of his pals Manny Ramos and Jay Cicinelli and hasn’t condemned the death of Kelly Thomas shows you whose said he’s on.

    Ask yourselves, why is he going after the one guy who allowed protests in front of the department and didn’t brutally assault protesters like Anaheim PD did and also worked with Ron Thomas with getting details out about what happened?

    They’re all corrupt bastards but Mr Lira is actively working to keep that corruption alive and well while pretending to be on your side.

    Its all BULLSHIT! Its all PR! Its all politics! End the corruption! Disband the FPD!

    1. “Managing ent” is the germane word to argue it is al about the “management” of Fullerton PD that led to its ever increasing incidents of civil rights abuses committed by Fullerton PD upon Fullerton’s community.
      “Management” at Fullerton PD make the bigger $ salaries because they are expected to manage the day to day affairs of a police department and more importantly provide constant leadership to all members of the department that guides and supports all members of Fullerton PD towards moral, ethical behavior so its members will put first and foremost the laws of our nation, not the personal policing philosophy of a few that resembles more a desire to play bedroom city commando than the long arm of,the law.
      I don’t know Lira’s intent with his interviews and emails that support the public’s ever growing belief that Fullerton PD has been corrupted by bizarro policing philosophies, cronyism and persecution of Fullerton police officers who take a moral stand against same police force’s “culture of corruption”.
      Yet, Lira is effecting change for the better with his courage to reveal the specifics of Fullerton PD’s “corruption”.
      however

  25. Bens friend :
    Ben failed to mention his arrest in Ca. for domestic violence and his most recent arrest in Las Vegas, also for domestic violence. Since he has lived in Vegas, he has had many negative contacts with police with one ending in the arrest.

    And all that means what? Ben is lying.

    The citizens of Fullerton have ALL the priors of FPD to wrap their arms around.

    Is this Barry Coffman or Lt.Goodwrench talking?

    Maybe Danny Hughes has now decided to become a full time troll?

    Just get the IP address of you FPD clowns, serve up the necessary subpoena’s, I am sure a couple of attorneys would love to depo you.

    Let the jury decide your fate for you ongoing games of telling lies on behalf of your fellow crooks.

    1. ” Its not even barely enough that I and mine succeed, but that others must suffer often and greatly, at my feet!!! (HAHAHAHAHHHHH!!!!, oh yeah I dont really have a sense of humor)”

      Reasearch (as parody): what if I was them what could or might I have to say to Council (or Lawyer or Doctor).

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    2. This is freedom of speech. An attorney will laugh if you tried to go after someone on a blog. People can say whatever they want.

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