Who Was There? The FPD Six


Our local leaders have concealed the identities of the six officers who participated in the brutal arrest of Kelly Thomas. In the absence of official information, the public justifiably fears and distrusts every single member of the FPD.

That is probably why sources very close to the Fullerton police department have given us the names of the officers on scene that night. This information was reportedly determined from knowledge of patrol schedules and the observance of which officers have not been reporting for duty since the six were put on leave.

According to our sources:

Officer Jay Cicinelli was there
Officer Kenton Hampton was there
Officer Manny Ramos was there
Officer Joe Wolfe was there
Officer James Blatney was there

The sixth officer would have been a sargent called to the scene due to the use of a Taser.  There are two patrol sargents not reporting for duty at the moment who may have been on duty that night. When we figure out which one was there, we’ll let you know.

 

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  1. #1 by Erik on August 4, 2011

    YES!

  2. #2 by TheFullertonWatcher on August 4, 2011

    Why are all the cops involved fat?

    Most have been pissed Kelly ran and made them break a sweat. Time to place weight and fitness standards on our cops! We pay them we should set all the rules! If they don’t like it they can get a new job! I’m sick and tired of seeing fat cops and those who smoke in uniform!

  3. #3 by Fullertonian on August 4, 2011

    How do you know they’re fat? Are there pictures of them somewhere online?

  4. #4 by TheFullertonWatcher on August 4, 2011

    2 of the 3 that we have pictures of are huge!

  5. #5 by The future is here. on August 6, 2011

    “Knowledge is the most democratic source of power.”

  6. #6 by RickDiggler on August 11, 2011

    Now, the home address of each should be printed on flyers and distributed to the homeless community.

  7. #7 by Reality Is on August 11, 2011

    Yea good idea. Then more homeless can die doing stupid things. In fact, just send em to my house and tell em to come to my door.

  8. #8 by Resident on August 12, 2011

    How were the police to know Kelly was mentally ill, not under the influence of drugs (known drug user) and reacting at super human strength under the circumstances? i would have done the same thing until his resistance stopped.
    if the investigating officer got shot, or stabbed or was fatally wounded would you have the same sentiment? If you were doing nothing then act as such. unfortunately he was mentally ill but the cops probably didn’t know that. Plus the cops go into defense mode when a mob crowd comes around, their safety is in danger at that point.

  9. #9 by bbogz7777 on August 13, 2011

    #7 Oink Oink! The beautiful thing is that we all get to stand before GOD on judgement day.

  10. #10 by Terry on August 17, 2011

    You moron! These police went far and beyond anyting that resembles resonable force. I hope these police all get prosecuted to the furthest extent of the law.

  11. #11 by Mike on August 25, 2011

    Hopefully your head doesn’t get kicked in by these thugs. Hope these scumbag cops get the gas chamber for Thomas’ murder.

    What planet do you live on, defending these pigs?

  12. #12 by Zac on September 16, 2011

    “Resident” You’re obviously a cop or a family member of one. (pretty easy to determine after reading your idiotic comments) You know he’s a drug user but don’t know he’s mentally ill??? You would have done the same thing? Really? I guess you share the same demented view on human life these swine do. I couldn’t do what these scumbags did to this man to a mortal enemy. They should be put to death in the same violent manner they sent Kelly to his grave.

  13. #13 by guest on August 4, 2011

    I Heard sellers will step down after his vacation…

  14. #14 by SHERYLE BIRD on August 4, 2011

    I felt like this was my son. You see my son looks just like kelly, he could be his twin. I have never been so emotional envolved. My son has mental problems, and I can competely identify with his father and dealing with the issues of the mentally ill. I too am a former deputy sheriff of L.A. County of 30 years. I could not bare to listen or see the video. These animals who call themselves police officers should be tried for murder. There were many times when my son went missing, my husband (retired LAPD) and I have had to look for him manys times. My son, would not even kill a bug, and to think of this gentle spirit (who could not even understand why he “would” be stopped and questioned by police), leave alone savagely beaten to death by POLICE SICKENS ME. I Do not know how his father is able to restrain himself. I really really hate these sick bullies. If it was my son that this deplorable act of such violence was displayed, I would not rest until they were all convicted of murder. To say that kelly was “No Rockett Scientest:” is sick. Kelly was a human being with a heart and a soul, there is no amount of money to replace him “he was a person of worth”. The poor kid was handed a bad deal anyway, then to have suffer this kind of beating I just can’t expess my sorrow for his family. No one wants to be born with mental issues, this was not under his control, its just not right!!!!!

  15. #15 by merijoe on August 5, 2011

    @Sheryle Bird- love what you said -Hope to see you saturday in front of the Fullerton PD on 237 Commonwealth-bring your sign and join us in rally/protest 9-3 or send a representative if you cant make it. From what i hear, these Kelly Thomas protests/rallies will be held Every satuday at the same place until there is complete justice

    https://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=102683796499101

  16. #16 by Ron on August 5, 2011

    Amen Sheryle!!! Well stated. I too felt like this was my son who also has MI. When I heard the video of Kelly calling out “DAD, DAD, DAD”, I broke down and immediately drove down to the memorial site to mourn. I felt similar to the way I did on 911. I also experienced some police midconduct from the L.A. County Sheriff, La Mirada. All because of one little punk named Deputy Anna was doing my soon -to-be ex who I was divorcing at the time. This Kelly Thomas incident though is the worse ever and I hope the DA does not try to cover this up as they usually do in police misconduct cases.

  17. #17 by Mark on August 6, 2011

    My son looks like Kelly too! The video devestates me. I picture my son calling for me, and I am unable to help. Not sure what I would do if I was Ron. Will justice be served? My daughter started the protest’s a few weeks ago with her friend and doggies. I am so proud of her!! But I am also terrified that she is putting herself in harms way! Good people of Fullerton: Please look after each other. Be calm, but STOP the police from committing further violence!!! Protect and defend against the those who pretend to ‘protect and serve’…

  18. #18 by JUSTWRONG on August 6, 2011

    I also cried when I saw the pictures of Kelly. I am on this site because I want to blow up messages any where and every where to make this as big of a deal as possible. I understand the “mother” aspect of all of this. I’m sure if Kelly and my son looked a like it would strike home even more.
    Funny I have only had one comment on my comments. I have not been hateful or stupid like some of the post I have read. Such as … he was on drugs, homeless, the best THE POLICE DID US A FAVOR. Don’t know who posted that stupid remark, maybe someone who wanted to stir up poo.

  19. #19 by Anonymous on August 4, 2011

    DJ JAFFE: The California Mental Health System and the Death of Mentally Ill Kelly Thomas
    DJ Jaffe, August 4, 2011 | 11:56:16 AM (EST)

    In California, it is playing out with relentless familiarity: the death ofKelly Thomas at the hands of Fullerton police has led to the usual criticisms of the police and calls for better training and more compassion.

    But Carla Jacobs, founder of the California Treatment Advocacy Coalition founder, and California’s most astute mental illness advocate, notes in an interview that while police could always use better training in how to handle dangerous mentally ill individuals, the police are not always the villains: “When it comes to treating people with the most serious mental illnesses, the police will react where California’s mental health system won’t. Police are almost never out on a call regarding mental illness unless one condition is met: the mentally ill person has been abandoned by the mental health system. That’s when they deteriorate, become psychotic, delusional and dangerous.”

    That happens too often. Ms. Jacobs remembers when mentally illEdward Charles Allaway killed seven individuals on the Fullerton campus of California. “It was police who tracked him down.” Ms. Jacobs’ own sister-in-law was abandoned by the mental health system and shot her mother. Again: the police stepped in.

    As Randall Hagar, Director of Government Affairs for the California Psychiatric Association who has been a relentless advocate for better care for the most seriously ill observed, “About 50% of people with schizophrenia suffer from anosognosia, the inability to recognize they are ill because the illness eliminates the capacity of the brain to exercise insight. Medications can provide the type of symptom reduction that can prevent violence.”

    California’s mental health system needlessly and intentionally created their own horrific and violent catch-22: it refuses to provide any treatment unless the mentally ill person is well enough to recognize their need for it. All others are turned over to the police. And even their hands are tied until after the individual becomes danger to self or others. Mr. Thomas’s family made multiple attempts to get California’s mental health system to help Kelly. On the KFI John and Ken show, Kelly Thomas’s sister said, “We tried everything… I feel it is the law that has kept us from keeping him in a place on his medication and healthy.” The system refused to budge.

    Law enforcement is desperate to return treatment of the seriously ill to the mental health system. Untreated seriously mentally ill not only put the public at risk, they put officers at risk. Michael Biassotti, Vice President of the NYS Chiefs of Police wrote movingly on police and mentally ill after an incident in NYS:

    The last thing any police officer wants to do is pull out a gun. It’s a sign that something has gone terribly wrong. But increasingly officers are being forced to pull out their guns, and often it’s to protect the public from someone with untreated mental illness.
    Chief Biasotti believes a big part of the solution is returning treatment of the mentally ill to the mental health system through greater use of Assisted Outpatient Treatment (“Laura’s Law” in California). TheNational Sheriff’s Associationagrees. 
    Laura’s Law allows

  20. #20 by merijoe on August 5, 2011

    you know, it doesnt take special training by anyone to show some damn compassion and restraint when a human being is begging for mercy and his daddy-thats pretty basic for a 5 year old to understand

  21. #21 by Ron on August 5, 2011

    Good points you made about the mental health system here in California.
    The one thing I believe you were incorrect about is ‘the last thing any police officer wants to do is pull out a gun’. Maybe you haven’t had any run-ins with police. There is a high percentage of ‘cowboy-like’ mentality, especiallyn when you get 3 or more white-boy officers together, just like in the Kelly Thomas indicent. I’m white also, so no racism here. This stuff occurs in every law enforcement agency especially County Sherrif’s departments because the DA is always on their side. YOu need ot review more of those videos of the beating.

  22. #22 by rhonda on August 11, 2011

    thats a bunch of bs, my nephew also has mental illness n is close to 40 yrs of age n we as a family have tried 4 yrs to get him help 2 no avail.some of the drs he has seen are worse off then him. and others just dnt give a damn. LAPD has chased n beat him more the once simply because of the way he looks! GOD knows calif has enough bad people to deal with but the pigs r scared of someone that might fight back so they pick on the sick and homelss. I just hope n pray those thugs that killed Kelly get back what they gave to kelly and others.and people who are protecting the killers better stop cause one day it may be a loved one in there family.the dirty pigs dont ask questions they just beat n kill.

    guest :I Heard sellers will step down after his vacation…

    \]

  23. #23 by Jay-B on August 5, 2011

    The FPD are the SWINE FLU, they make me sick! I have been working with individuals with mental disabilities for 10 years now, and yes, I live in Fullerton and my main office is in Fullerton (lived here for 32 years since I was born at St. Jude’s). This is a tragedy because our community will have a VERY difficult time placing our trust back into the hands of the FPD. I have many family members in law enforcement, (from retired chiefs of large cities, to young rookies), they are all disgusted by this! Thank you Tony for all that you have done to bring this gang of KILLERS, aka, FPD (SWINE FLU) to all of the Fullerton residents who care. I met Kelly one day while walking to Stubrik’s with a friend. He didn’t scare me! He didn’t ask for money! Kelly just talked to us, and when I asked him to join us for a drink, he declined and went on his way. FPD=SWINE FLU! BOTTOM LINE! They will not get away with this one, the world is watching. And, I too have a lot of financial resources to make sure Kelly receives JUSTICE!

  24. #24 by LongIslandGuy on August 5, 2011

    From the other side of the country, I want to send my condolences to the family of the murdered man.

    The actions of the police are despicable, and each one should be kicked in the face and tasered to death. No more should the citizens of this once great nation be oppressed and beaten by those who are paid to protect us.

    Never again should the people who are sworn to look out for us beat us to death. Never again should this be allowed to happen.

    I applaud everyone who took video and pictures documenting the abuse. I stand behind every witness who tells their story and is unafraid of the possible backlash they might be in for.

    For far too long the Police, all over our country, have conducted themselves like “Legal Thugs”. It is time the PEOPLE tell them ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

    Each cop that was there should spend life in prison at the very least. Make it so California! Send a message!

  25. #25 by Songstress on August 6, 2011

    There once were Six cops, from Fullerton….
    That got 25 to Life for killin’ someone……
    Once their bus drove thru that Gate….
    It was all but too late….
    The inmates finally gave them what they had comin’ to them!

  26. #26 by JUSTWRONG on August 6, 2011

    Songstress … great song but, it will not happen. Cops cover and buddy up to save each others @SSes. Hopefully they have trouble sleeping and have a bad case of the shits.

  27. #27 by clyde on August 14, 2011

    is that one eyed murdering cop even qualified to be a cop ??

  28. #28 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    never trust a cop.

    said it a million times.

    this is not an isolated incident by a few bad apples, it is just the most extreme we have heard about, there are tons of abuse by many many of the piggers in fullerton.

    open the books and we will see many many many beat downs and bad cop clowns , with evil faces and im gunna kick your ass frowns….

    DOWN

    CHXN

  29. #29 by pianoarthur on August 4, 2011

    this happens all the time, all over this fine country of ours:
    http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/

  30. #30 by Ceaig on August 5, 2011

    This is how we deal with Police breaking the rules in UK http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/04/merseyside-police-sacks-officers-matrix or a police shooting http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/05/man-shot-police-london-arrest.
    For this in the UK they would get sacked on spot then charged with murder but honestly this wouldnt happen here.

  31. #31 by Ron on August 5, 2011

    Thanks for the tip. I’m moving to the UK, even though the city of Fullerton is beautiful, despite the cowboy cops.

  32. #32 by Ceaig on August 5, 2011

    I just find it crazy how this can be allowed to happen but from what ive read it seems that it happens all the time across the whole US. I just hope the police in Canada are like the ones in the UK, im moving there for a year soon.
    I just think the police in UK and all over Europe are on a tighter leash than yours and don’t have the combined powerful force of the police union and elected DA and mayor supporting them.
    I just hope these so called officers are officially unmasked fired from the police force with no pension then tried as a common criminal for murder but from what im reading from similar cases that’s not gonna happen

  33. #33 by KillercopDOTcom on August 7, 2011

    And this is how We the People deal with the Police breaking the laws in America. http://www.killercop.com

    And cops censoring speech. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9IXBU6dKdA

    And attorneys lying to the court. http://youtu.be/hPuNG4l_8ho

  34. #34 by zam on August 23, 2011

    Are you kidding? Cops in the UK murder people for no reason all the time, and they often get away with it. Ian Tomlinson? Jean Charles de Menezes? James Ashley?

  35. #35 by Resident on August 12, 2011

    Good idea! dont trust the cops who are there to protect you. these cops have been on the force for several years, this one time, confronting a homeless man who was later identified as a frequent drug user will not let the police detain him after he had been ‘reported’ breaking into cars. These individuals have no past record and you think that this incident was an opportunity? If you honestly think those six cops arrived on that scene to kill that man and beat the crap out of him your drinking the kool-aid from the concentrate bottle. its unfortunate he was homeless and mentally ill, and may he rest in peace but i would have feared one of the officers would have been injured or fatally wounded. If an officer was killed or injured by this man attacking would your opinion change? whats the difference between someone who knows how to use their fists versus someone who knows how to use a knife? nothing, they are the same to me, Police are trained to approach every situation with caution. much like a lifeguard, if you get injured or drown, you suddenly become another part of the rescue. hindsight is 20-20

  36. #36 by Victor Perrin on August 4, 2011

    Finally, the “McKinley Six” no longer completely anonymous.

  37. #37 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    man this board is movin fast =)

  38. #38 by Kim on August 4, 2011

    On a separate thought, I wonder if the FPD has been giving out less tickets during this time? Or, if they have been giving out the same amount of tickets, will people be fighting them in droves because the FPD have such a bad reputation right now that they can’t be trusted? I thought of this because a cousin many times over got a ticket the other day here in good ol’ Fullerton and is fighting it. He was just SO ANGRY at the cop that he’s fighting it.
    Anyway, just a random thought. I really am curious though about this.

  39. #39 by calwatch on August 4, 2011

    Everyone should be fighting tickets, though. With online extensions, night court arraignment, trial by declaration, and trial de novo, you can have a court date a year after the ticket was issued. That’s a few cycles of insurance rates not being increased.

  40. #40 by A.NonymousOne on August 5, 2011

    #10 pianoarthur:

    Kudos to you for linking to InjusticeEverywhere-Excellent website to shut up all the badgelicking batonswallowers.

  41. #41 by Ron on August 5, 2011

    Good point. I haven’t seen one Fullerton squad car or motorcycle in the past week. Good time ot go speeding down the roadways. lol

  42. #42 by john doe on August 5, 2011

    Go ahead run a muck. Fullerton police is not gonna give a shit about you, just like you dont give a shit about them. Speed through the whole city run some lights kill some people. Thats the way is gonna be for sometime. It gonna be the wild wild west. So when you need a cop…call Tony Bushala!

  43. #43 by The Fullerton Savage on August 4, 2011

    Unless you are 100% certain of this information I don’t think it should be online.

  44. #44 by Christian on August 4, 2011

    You are wrong Savage. It’s about F’ING TIME we get some GD answers! I am so PISSED!!!!

    This whole thing should have never happened if we would have had a real LEADER at the helm of the FPD. Now, we can’t hardly have a council meeting until these sorry pukes are shipped off to a federal prison. McKinley can lead the way there!!!!

    I WANT THE NAME OF THE SORRY ASS SUPERVISOR WHO FAILED TO HANDCUFF CICINELLI AND THE OTHERS AND HAUL THEIR ASSES TO OC JAIL FOR MURDER! WHO IS THE SUPERVISING COWARD!!!

  45. #45 by The Fullerton Savage on August 4, 2011

    Christian, believe me, I’m pissed too. But what if this is not correct information? If this in not confirmed then someone completely uninvolved may have had his name listed here.

  46. #46 by Christian on August 4, 2011

    As far as I am concerned ALL of the FPD who doesn’t step up is guilty and complicit in this conspiracy to protect criminals.

    I have ZERO faith in FPD which is shocking when I think about how I would have called them if I needed help. I can’t trust them to have any sense of right or wrong. They have no basic human decency. ALL of those NOT involved need to stand up PUBLICLY and do what is RIGHT…OR…resign out of fear as a COWARD.

    NO FPD EMPLOYEE WHO REMAINS SILENT DESERVES TO WHERE OUR UNIFORM!!!!

  47. #47 by MCR on August 4, 2011

    Yes. The poor cops. Let’s err on the side of caution for them. Give me a break. That shit’s over! If this is how it has to be done…so be it. They’re all home watchin cartoons on their big screens drinking beer anyway, counting the days to retirement.

  48. #48 by Anon304 on August 4, 2011

    Well, I can agree on that point. The burden of proof will lie with the bloggers, though I tend to think they probably didn’t print this stuff without double and triple checking. If they are charged, their lawyer is going to request to move the trial elsewhere anyway.

    Whether or not they are ever charged, I hope their names are forever linked to this event, and that all of them will find it impossible to get a job anywhere in law enforcement, or even babysitting a dog. A crooked cop is a crooked person. And they will lie, cheat, and steal in some form or another in every facet of their life. What I’m saying is there is something morally bankrupt in each of these individuals.

    I think we also need to discuss the existence of tasers in the city. I don’t think we need them, and they are increasingly coming under scrutiny as being overused. If 6 cops can’t restrain a guy without tasers, then something is seriously wrong. In so many ways, a gun is one hell of a lot more honest than a taser.
    NO MORE TASERS in FULLERTON

  49. #49 by discarted on August 4, 2011

    Christian is right.

    Every cop that knew about this and has not come forward is complicit in Thomas’ death because if your family member killed someone and you protected them, you would go to jail too.

    Being a passive observer is unacceptable, nor an excuse for proclaiming innocence.

  50. #50 by Jack on August 4, 2011

    Well said, in a case like this, the biggest enemy of those accused is the truth, and by that truth they will (hopefully) be found out. If we, as citizens start spreading lies, false accusations, and slander, we will only be hurting the cause and our credibility. Listen to ‘The Fullerton Savage’..Express outrage..absolutely, but if we start lying and/or threatening, we are no better than them we are trying to bring to justice..let the evidence speak for itself.

  51. #51 by fullerton citizen on August 4, 2011

    @ #11 The Fullerton Savage>than fucking say something!! perhaps it might be true.These low life bottom feeders keep silent when confronted plain and simple! they are real tough guy’s when they confront you with there Darth Vader mentality but chock when it comes to being confronted with the truth!I don’t think there is anything more vile than the dog shit smell of silence from these dirty cops!

  52. #52 by LeRoy Murray on August 4, 2011

    Just for a second assume there is an “innocent” listed. If it were me I’d post and say “hey, I wasn’t there, please take my name down.” So far nobody’s objected, so it’s fair to consider them guilty. As I’ve said before we had any names, if they didn’t do anything wrong, as they claim, why are they acting guilty? I think they should reopen Alcatraz for these boys, or general population in San Quenton or Folsom, I would say level 4 at Pelican Bay or similar, but then they’d miss out on the adventure of getting to know the other prisoners.

  53. #53 by Anonymous on August 4, 2011

    I am F’kin pissed too.

    Why bother have a damn police department that is an organized crime against their own citizens?

    Since the police department has failed to do their job…the 2nd Amendment gives us the right to protect ourselves and let the City of Fullerton start laying off the 200 idiots whom are draining the general fund.

  54. #54 by Anonymous on August 4, 2011

    Shut up.

  55. #55 by LeRoy Murray on August 4, 2011

    Who should shut up, Officer?

  56. #56 by fullerton citizen on August 4, 2011

    @ The Fullerton Savage no posts on any one declining it we do know we have 6 murdering Fullerton police in our town on a paid vacation.FACT!!

  57. #57 by merijoe on August 4, 2011

    oh stfu-and we’ll put anything we want up-it usually turns out to be 100% right, its just in advance before anyone else knows about it

  58. #58 by Anonymous on August 4, 2011

    We should treat the suspects, er, cops just the same way they treat the general public.

    If someone from the public is arrested on suspicion of murder, their name and complete background and history is dragged through the media. Why not the cops?

    Also, when there is a murder committed, cops rush to arrest someone within the first 48 hours in order to have better success at solving the crime. Yet, when they murder someone, they drag it out for months if not years.

  59. #59 by Nutball on August 4, 2011

    Because it’s not murder you moron. Once you arrest someone you have 48 hours to charge them. They won’t even be close so the cops would walk out the door anyways. Good thing you aren’t the DA.

  60. #60 by calwatch on August 4, 2011

    If the tape shows what everyone claims it shows, the DA has enough to charge for involuntary manslaughter. Involuntary does not require determining the officer’s state of mind – he could have unintentionally slipped and dropped his knee into Kelly Thomas and as long as they contributed to the death, it is involuntary manslaughter. The issue is, though, would the community be outraged that they didn’t get them for at least second degree murder? Incidentally I think if it goes to a jury, there will be a couple of pro-cop jurors who will hold out in deliberation and claim that they see reasonable doubt in the state of mind for voluntary or 2nd degree murder. Thus these guys will get out in 2 years like Mehserle did. It’s less likely to happen if it is an Orange County jury, though – which is why the DA must do everything possible to keep the case in Orange County.

  61. #61 by Ron on August 5, 2011

    YOu are bringing up some very great points on this topic Anonymous!!!
    Will you be joining in on the protest tomorrow?

  62. #62 by A.NonymousOne on August 5, 2011

    Who cares and I am quite at ease saying this:

    Every cop at some time has abused their authority.

  63. #63 by Poor Goodwrench on August 5, 2011

    Why not? If it isn’t true Goodwrench can tell us they weren’t there.

  64. #64 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    OK

    HERES THE REAL NAMES OF THE 6

    officer anger beast
    officer BIG jock
    officer frame you
    officer divorced and angry
    officer shattered eye grudge match
    officer looks up to these guys

    sad

    CHXN

  65. #65 by Ron on August 5, 2011

    LOL.. Wasn’t Officer Taserhappy present as well?

  66. #66 by Christian on August 4, 2011

    Have any of those 5 been named in any civil suits for their actions while with FPD?

  67. #67 by Anon304 on August 4, 2011

    Good question, Christian.

  68. #68 by Christian on August 4, 2011

    ALL OF THE MCKINLEY 6 ARE COWARDS!

    EACH of them either BEAT Kelly Thomas or stood by and watched!

    SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!!!

    NONE OF YOU DESERVE TO WHERE THE UNIFORM!

    YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT!!!

    DOES YOUR FAMILY KNOW YOU HELPED MURDER A MENTALLY ILL 135lb MAN?

    DO YOU SLEEP WELL???

    SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!!!

    YOU HAVE FAILED YOUR CITY!!!!

    YOU HAVE FAILED TO HONOR YOUR OATH!!!!!!!

    I HOPE YOU REALIZE THE EVIL YOU HELPED PROTECT BY NOT STOPPING THE MURDER!!!

  69. #69 by Nutball on August 4, 2011

    He was a homeless drug addict. Big deal. They did you a favor.

  70. #70 by Joey4justice on August 4, 2011

    So when they get rid of all the homeless and drug addicts what next? Mexicans,the unemployed, people with tattoo’s? persecution never stops on it’s own. I recall someone in history also thinking it’s a good idea to get rid of all the mentally ill.

  71. #71 by Me on August 4, 2011

    They haven’t done me any favor. You’re still HERE!!!!!

  72. #72 by Jane on August 4, 2011

    Hey nutjob oh I mean nutless… he wasn’t a drug addict… he had schizophrenia that’s hardly close to being a drug addict.

    AND YES IT IS A BIG DEAL. THEY MURDERED AN UNARMED MAN. AND IT TOOK 6 MEN TO SUBDUE HIM….NOW REALLY THAT IS SAD. THEY DID NOT DO ANY OF US A FAVOR. HOMELESS OR NOT HIS LIFE WAS STILL SNUFFED OUT BRUTALLY. WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL OF THE TRAINING?????? WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IS THE COPS GOT ANGRY AND TOOK IT OUT ON HIM. AND REALLY THEY ARE GOING TO MURDER SOMEONE OVER STUFF??? THEY FAIL BIG TIME. ALL 6 SHOULD BE IN PRISION!!!!

  73. #73 by oh really on August 5, 2011

    Saying that just upped your chances of having your daughter swallowing the jizz of the local basketball team.

    I bet you are a xian aren’t you??

  74. #74 by Anonymous on August 5, 2011

    Awesome response

  75. #75 by Mike on August 25, 2011

    yo, nutless, chinga tu madre
    Comprende, puto??

  76. #76 by Johnny Donut on August 4, 2011

    FPD is leaking!

  77. #77 by fullerton citizen on August 4, 2011

    @ #21 by Johnny Donut leaking Kelly Thoms’s blood i hope officer Hampton has nightmares every time he puts his uniform on and it still has the blood stains from the murder he was a part of.Hey Officer Kenton Hampton forgot about the eye in the sky you couldn’t destroy that camera Karma got ya!! with your own departments hi definition camera.Obviously if the video put you pigs in a good light it would be shown to the public.you will be singing your swan song in prison! no body know the trouble Ive done no body know but Jesus.

  78. #78 by Kim on August 4, 2011

    I thought the first two responders to the “supposed” 911 “car burglary” call were women?

  79. #79 by Travis on August 4, 2011

    That would be incorrect.

  80. #80 by Christian on August 4, 2011

    HOW MANY OF THESE COWARDS WERE INTERVIEWED AND HIRED BY MCKINLEY?

    ONE CHIEF HAS HURT SO MANY WITH HIS MACHO BULLSHIT!!! THANKS A LOT YOU COWARD F@CKS!!!!!!!!!!

  81. #81 by Get It on August 4, 2011

    Why is Sellers still on the job?

    He delay the most minimal action for 29 days.

    He went on vacation at the beginning of this critical incident.

    He has failed to respond to his responsibility in assuring the public that his department complies with the law.

    He lacks leadership.

    Fullerton deserves more in a civil servant that someone who shows up to work in a clean uniform.

    You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today.
    If you mess up, ‘fess up.

  82. #82 by LeRoy Murray on August 4, 2011

    Fullerton deserves a servant, not someone that thinks he’s a king.

  83. #83 by I Live in Fullerton on August 4, 2011

    This is just the LATEST example of the “we can do anything we want” mentality at FPD. Don’t forget Albert Rincon who is awaiting trial on charges of getting cheap thrills by fondling handcuffed females in the back of his patrol car and Christopher Wren who is more than happy to cover up any of his “FPD Brothers” crimes. Also remember to include Kelly Mejia who thinks stealing an $800 iPad at Miami airport is OK.

    I suggest dismantling the department and contracting with the Orange County Sheriff’s Department, alhtough I would want a guarantee that the same thugs wouldn’t simply switch from an FPD uniform to a Sheriff’s uniform.

  84. #84 by Frustratedfullerton on August 4, 2011

    Don’t forget the officer who ignored the 5150 claim, let an inmate die in the holding facility, and then tried to destroy the recording tape. We didn’t hear about that one in the news. Or about the drug using, money laundering officer, Todd Major. So many to keep track of. And which ones are the good ones again??

  85. #85 by fullerton citizen on August 4, 2011

    @#31 > All police departs in the USA need there own Serpico or some sort of mole in every police agency this corruption is a cancer that keeps becoming more and more malignant.when more dirty cops go to prison and we hire collage grades instead of over overzealous bottom feeder punks we can start to get these poor excuse for American citizens ousted!

  86. #86 by OhioBuckeyborn on August 4, 2011

    I was a college grad but was laid off from a Police Department because I wasn’t aggressive enough…go figure. Military and aggressive officers hire military and aggressive officers..plain and simple.

  87. #87 by Anonymous on August 5, 2011

    Can you say, disgruntled employee?

  88. #88 by Anon304 on August 4, 2011

    I disagree. Contracting with the OC Sheriff is only running away from the very real problem of police brutality, which is pervasive throughout law enforcement.

    The same conditions that led to the mentality of force above all, will be left to fester here as they have for decades. We just didn’t get to this point as a community at the snap of a finger. It’s been coming a very, very long time.

    Reform is the only avenue we have. This must include reform along the line of the city council, the city itself, the police as well as firefighter services. Either we’re going to reform the entire system, and be in for the long haul, or we might as well pack it up, and let those officers have free reign.

    The reason nothing was said was in part they were waiting to see if anyone would object. In years past, the police (as evidenced by several posters on various theads) have doled out verbal harassment, assault, and intimidation on a regular basis. But nothing happened because there was never a mass outrage –or things had not gotten pushed far enough.

    Now they have. We have an opportunity to take this ugly event and drill in and not stop until it is fixed. I say we do that, rather than trying to gloss it over by putting in another system of law enforcement via the OC Sheriff.

  89. #89 by LeRoy Murray on August 4, 2011

    a thought on these, and others that may pop up, we the citizens comprise the jury, if it goes to jury. We the citizens probably know someone on the jury if we aren’t called, I’ll leave the rest to your imagination.

  90. #90 by Orange Cape Hides Me on August 4, 2011

    FPD Office Todd Majors deserves recognition for his “fine service” too…… misusing a city credit card repeatedly last summer; forging a city check; and stealing from two Troy High School administrators, 11 of his Fullerton police explorers, and the Fullerton Car Show.

    …….To fund his oxycodone addiction

  91. #91 by Peace on August 4, 2011

    Yup and because of fpd connection to DA he was only convicted of 1 count. Don’t forget the jail death just recently and the officer when about to be interviewed by DA destroyed his recorder and removed the memory card. He is about to be fired.

  92. #92 by Jimmy Sanchez on August 4, 2011

    Im so sad for Kelly Thomas dad. I have tears in my eyes when I watch that video of Kelly screaming for his dad. As a father my heart goes out to Kelly Thomas dad. I wish I was there to stop these idiot police officer from beating him.

    These guys deserve to go to prison and get there ass beaten.

  93. #93 by fullerton citizen on August 4, 2011

    @ #33Jimmy Sanchez> just think this injustice goes on in most all precincts there are some exceptions were the requirements are collage graduate are mandatory but they are far and few.

  94. #94 by Airhead on August 4, 2011

    RECALL RECALL RECALL RECALL RECALL

    RESIGN RESIGN RESIGN RESIGN RESIGN

    E N O U G H of this crap. all out tax $$$$ going to waste.

    how many kelly thomas went unnoticed?

    send in the clowns!

  95. #95 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    THEY CALL IT MURDER

    great song

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuiRMTJt4dE&feature=related

    out on the street they call it murder

    CHXN

  96. #96 by Gonzo, Esq. on August 4, 2011

    I’ve heard the same names from confidential law enforcement sources.

    These chickenshits better be quaking in their boots.

  97. #97 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    OK

    HERES THE REAL NAMES OF THE 6

    officer anger beast
    officer BIG jock
    officer frame you
    officer divorced and angry
    officer shattered eye grudge match
    officer looks up to these guys

    ok ill stop playin

    CHXN

  98. #98 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    and i wouldn’t be surprised if they are so scared , they just die

  99. #99 by Nutball on August 4, 2011

    Come on. They are hoping you show up at their house so they can kill you too.

  100. #100 by Mike on August 25, 2011

    nutballlicker-you need some time off. Why don’t you go to Tijuana for a few days. You can be the star attraction at the donkey show.
    On second thought, that might be considered cruelty to animals.

  101. #101 by dph on August 4, 2011

    Bet crime is down in Fullerton.

  102. #102 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    yep i bet it is down cuz the boys in blue ,, and scared and don’t want to F with anyone right now

  103. #103 by Laser Haas on August 4, 2011

    We have detailed this story and several videos on DailyKos.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/04/1003081/-Police-Brutality-Cover-Up-FAILS-as-Thomas-father-turns-down-$900,000?via=stream

    Hang in there – the inflexible sword of Truth is our best weapon against tyranny and corruption.

  104. #104 by pianoarthur on August 4, 2011

  105. #105 by calwatch on August 4, 2011

    I’m glad left and right can agree on this.

  106. #106 by Lord Acton on August 4, 2011

    Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

  107. #107 by Breathing Fire on August 4, 2011

    We all want to know who was involved, especially the first and second responders, and we need to be positive of their identity.

    I personally want to know how many officers are on duty on any given night in Fullerton.
    I would also like to know who kept calling the officers to the site? Was it the dispatch officer who was watching on the “EyeSpy” camera or was it the officers involved at the site?

    Once these officers are confirmed or denied being present the night of the beating, maybe their wives and family should receive a photo of Kelly before and after?

    I would like to know just how much these officers are paid. I have heard it is anywhere from $1.200.00 per week up to $5,000.00 per week.

    So many questions unanswered, patience is getting harder to come by. Still none of this will bring Kelly back, lets hope that Ron and Kathy will get some justice and peace.

  108. #108 by LeRoy Murray on August 4, 2011

    I read that the one “in trouble” for buying drugs with his cop credit card and embezzlement was earning 90,000./yr. A lot more than he deserved.

  109. #109 by UIgnorantPeople on August 5, 2011

    I don’t understand why you would ask some of these questions. Don’t you think we will know who the officers are if the FBI finds evidence against them? As for how many officers are on duty any given night in Fullerton, not enough. How many of you have to wait for an officer to show up when you call them because your issue isn’t an emergency? I have and I waited for hours. That’s because the city/county doesn’t have the money to hire as many as what your city needs. I’m not sure why you care who was calling the officers to the site. I don’t think you know how the camera works. Maybe you should ask a police officer how it works. You know, go to the source. Too bad the entire incident wasn’t caught on tape and not just the end. I would like to see the entire thing, personally. Do you not think the officers deserve the pay they make? Very few people could deal with the assholes out there day in and day out. I haven’t read one posting from the writers on this website say anything good. Apparently police officers have never saved the life of a father, mother, or child. They have never caught the person who stole from you, raped you, or abused you. I’m not saying there aren’t some bad apples, but I am sure there are some in your job also. They go through an extensive background check and psychological evaluation. What more can be done to try to weed out the bad apples. I can say honestly, I hope none of you are police officers because your tempers would get you into a lot of trouble. All of you on this website need to look in the mirror and if what you see is perfection then please go ahead and judge. If not, then realize that the FBI will get to the bottom of this and if necessary the officers will be dealt with.

  110. #110 by Joey The Cat on August 5, 2011

    Good point… I’ll reserve judgement until I beat someone to death…

  111. #111 by dismayed on August 5, 2011

    “bad apples” in the field of policing can cause far greater damage than “bad apples” in most other jobs when they screw up or have a bad hair day — innocent people’s lives can be ruined. as for saving lives, catching criminals, risking their lives, etc. that’s what cops are paid to do, and paid very well for. if they don’t like the aspect of risk in police work, maybe they should look in to some other line of work. perhaps shoe salesman, or housekeeper…

  112. #112 by Namesandfaces on August 4, 2011

    Let’s get some faces with these names. Anybody have pictures of these officers? Fullerton P.D must have a yearbook or something to get pictures from.

  113. #113 by MCR on August 4, 2011

    http://missfullerton.com/album.php?g=383

    The lovely Miss Fullerton with Officer Wolfe…toward bottom.

  114. #114 by WTF on August 4, 2011

    he is about 3x bigger than Kelly was

  115. #115 by Ppl Ppl on August 4, 2011

    Ugh. Just imagine. She had to blow all of those old fat pigs.

  116. #116 by MCR on August 4, 2011

    And the clown too???

  117. #117 by Homer on August 4, 2011

    @42 Why do you need to make rude commemnts about her? I don’t recall hearing about her being at the transportation center when this happened. Just rude…

  118. #118 by Ppl Ppl on August 4, 2011

    You have no idea what pageant contestants have to go through. Its not pretty, I can tell you that.

  119. #119 by AA on August 4, 2011

    Site needs to be moderated.

  120. #120 by LeRoy Murray on August 4, 2011

    Unneeded, she doesn’t deserve that. Why try to start trouble? Are you one of the cops?

  121. #121 by TheFullertonWatcher on August 4, 2011

    Why are all these cops fat? Jay and Wolfe are way big abd totally out of shape.

    Kelly probably ran and they were like “I’m going to kill you for making me exercise!”

  122. #122 by Nutball on August 4, 2011

    Fat like you.

  123. #123 by dismayed on August 5, 2011

    gives nutball a donut. nom nom nom.

  124. #124 by EyeNeverSayNo on August 4, 2011

    How nice it must be for the Miss Fullerton folks to find out they have a picture on their site of one of the six cops who beat a poor, malnourished 130 lb homeless man to f’n death. Watching veteran assistant DA Susan Kang Schroeder nearly break down last night on CNN describing what she saw on the unreleased video has me wondering: Why are these men, oops scratch that, cowardly pussies, not in jail already?

  125. #125 by merijoe on August 4, 2011

    Gadz Wolfe is a fatso-how can you be so out of shape in that profession?

  126. #126 by Lord Acton on August 4, 2011

    Absolute power…

  127. #127 by Christian on August 4, 2011

    Were any of these COWARDS involved on the raid at the pastor’s home?

  128. #128 by Rhonda Maddux on August 4, 2011

    Summarized: Was MURDER, FILE CHARGES for MURDER, Resignation across the board, including the mayor, the police chief, NAME the culprit officers publicly, SHOW the video, CONVICTION w/LIFE or DEATH and restitution. The WHOLE world is watching to see if the right thing will be done.

  129. #129 by Water Bottle on August 5, 2011

    Trying to charge them with second degree murder would be a bad idea because the prosecutor would have to prove the cops intended to kill the guy, and that’s hard to prove against cops. Involuntary manslaughter would be the easiest charge to convict some of the cops on.

  130. #130 by John on August 4, 2011

    Can someone out there tell me why police/sheriff deputies have a “Blue Code of Silence”?

  131. #131 by pianoarthur on August 4, 2011

    to keep the press silent, like these hidden incidents:
    http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/

  132. #132 by LeRoy Murray on August 4, 2011

    Why? To save their asses, it’s a code of Omerta just like the mob, but they call it the thin blue line. Meaning take care of our own, and they’re serious as Frank Serpico found out 30 or so years ago. You talk, when you need back up they may not show up, or worse you get a call and some of your former “brothers” may be there to take out the rat. I’m sure both happened many times.

  133. #133 by Ron on August 5, 2011

    Very simply to cover up their deliberate abuses.

  134. #134 by Airhead on August 4, 2011

    @Christian – raid pastor’s home?

    why are they on PAID leave? roberry in progress.

  135. #135 by Christian on August 4, 2011

    Awhile back FPD raided a pastor’s home where he, his wife, and their child(ren) were doing what families do. They raided the WRONG house while trying to conduct a drug raid or parole search… It’s on this blog about 6 months ago, maybe less.

    FPD is like that movie Police Academy except FPD actually hurts and even murders people.

  136. #136 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    THATS RIGHT , RHONDA, JUST LIKE THAT

    “Summarized: Was MURDER, FILE CHARGES for MURDER, Resignation across the board, including the mayor, the police chief, NAME the culprit officers publicly, SHOW the video, CONVICTION w/LIFE or DEATH and restitution. The WHOLE world is watching to see if the right thing will be done”

    THAT IS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE

    CHXN

  137. #137 by Nutball on August 4, 2011

    You are drunk. Murder won’t be the charge. Get a clue. He got what he deserved. They will beat the case anyways.

  138. #138 by Michael on August 4, 2011

    My resources tell me the sixth is possibly an officer by the name of “Tong”?

  139. #139 by Christian on August 4, 2011

    I thought Tong was already on admin leave for breaking fingers, theft, and general police corruption.

  140. #140 by Nutball on August 4, 2011

    Bong.

  141. #141 by tVEGA on August 4, 2011

    I guess its time to get my police report and pictures from march 2008 when they beat me up while I was cuffed and see if any of these “officers” were involved in my beating. 2 of those names sound real familiar I wonder which one choked me till I almost passed out and which one pounded my head into the squad car and busted my lip and busted my eye vessel.

  142. #142 by MCR on August 4, 2011

    This is the place for your story sir!

  143. #143 by WTF on August 4, 2011

    Mr. Vega,
    Your wife was at the city council meeting telling about your beating. Check out those names and come join us on Saturday!!!!

  144. #144 by Nutball on August 4, 2011

    Cause you were a drunk prick talking smack. You got what you deserved.

  145. #145 by D.C. on August 4, 2011

    Nutball, why don’t you quietly make an exit. You add nothing intelligent to the dialog.

  146. #146 by Hey on September 1, 2011

    Hey Nutball,
    When what are you up to this weekend?

  147. #147 by annoymous on August 4, 2011

    What would Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, and the rest of the Fathers of this country do, to all the wrong doers?!

  148. #148 by Christian on August 4, 2011

    Tar, feather, and BURN!

  149. #149 by LeRoy Murray on August 4, 2011

    Probably not burn, that was a century or so earlier. Tar and feathers and ride out on a rail, triangular wooden fence rail. Not comfortable and they’d lose some skin getting the tar and feathers off.

  150. #150 by ducatlove on August 5, 2011

    I don’t think they had any police departments back then. Guess why.

  151. #151 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    my source just told me that the FBI stated on tv that the whole incident started from an illegal search.

    meaning they fucked with him and tried to search him ,, and that is probably why the probably FALSE report of car burglary was concocted.

    FKRS

    CHXN

  152. #152 by Johnny Blue on August 4, 2011

    hey where was this stated?

  153. #153 by Christian on August 4, 2011

    A friend with LE background said the same thing. They said the original call was for TWO people breaking into cars described loosely as gang bangers. Then the PD, nothing better to do, decides to go screw with a homeless schizo and see what he’s up to. They try to search without cause (unless being schizo is cause) and Kelly “resisted”… Then the fight was on. FPD IS SCREWED!!!

  154. #154 by Anonymous on August 4, 2011

    By FIGHT,
    you mean ASS BEATING

  155. #155 by EyeNeverSayNo on August 4, 2011

    Exactly. 6 big cops vs. 1 half straved 130 lb homeless man is a murederous beatdown, not a fight.

  156. #156 by Christian on August 4, 2011

    No, you don’t get it. That was when Kelly had to FIGHT for his life. He lost the fight because NONE OF THE COWARDS WOULD LIFT A FINGER EXCEPT TO KILL HELP MURDER HIM.

  157. #157 by Nutball on August 4, 2011

    Yea right. Keep making stuff up. Your time will come.

  158. #158 by Jane on August 4, 2011

    Hey Mr. Nutless

    I’ve been reading your rediculous comments throughout this thread and I must say you are not only nutless but heartless too. He did not deserve to die that is the bottom line. I think you belong in another forum, perhaps the satan type blogs becuase you sound like you are a pure evil human being to me. When you’re down and out don’t ask for help because you don’t deserve it.

  159. #159 by Fullerton Native on August 5, 2011

    Nutbal is probably one of the asshole cops who’s name was listed on the website. Are you so angry because your name was listed for everyone to see? Are you upset that everyone who associates with you, who your wife and children know will look at you and your family with disgust? Or are you mad that your quivering balls, if in deed you have any, are so far up in your stomach because you know what you have coming to you? You can say all the heartless things you want. When your time comes, nothing you have said or done will be forgotten. WE ALL PAY FOR WHAT WE DO. I actually feel bad for you.

  160. #160 by Nut less on August 5, 2011

    Oh. You are right. Notch in my belt. :)

  161. #161 by Nokomarie on August 5, 2011

    I call troll.

  162. #162 by Peaceinfullerton on August 4, 2011

    Where can we see that on tv, curious?

  163. #163 by Johnny Blue on August 4, 2011

    Isn’t it sad that the people who get paid to investigate, to show the absolute INTEGRITY of a community, the one’s who are suppose to come forward with information to the city that pays their wages are obsolete. They are no where to be seen or heard. I give praise to this website who has been more credible in their actions in presenting the truth and forthcoming with information than the police department or city hall. The people will always know how to govern themselves, no matter how much cover-up and excuse my language bullshit is presented.

    **It is said, “power corrupts, but actually it’s more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power.”

  164. #164 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    love that

    **It is said, “power corrupts, but actually it’s more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power.”

    ,,,,

    and , i would like to say BIG UPS to this site for existing, and all the HARD work that it takes to create and admin IT.

    ROK ON

    CHXN

  165. #165 by ACTION-NOW on August 4, 2011

    Don’t worry city hall of Fullerton and police department…the people will take it from here. We’ll get the answers.

  166. #166 by discarted on August 4, 2011

    If the six people who committed this heinous act were not police officer, their names, faces, and the video of the event would’ve been public the day Kelly Thomas was killed.

    And the perfect example of this occurrence, is the recent Brian Stow beating. An innocent man with a criminal history was dragged through the mud by LAPD and a crying Charlie Beck.

    These officers belong in jail with every other criminal, and we have a right to officially know who they are.

    It’s amazing that we accept this kind of behavior from public officials who earn a living from our tax dollars. Everyone needs to realize that we have the power and authority over them.

  167. #167 by Peaceinfullerton on August 4, 2011

    At the initial contact offer ramos threatened Kelly Thomas with his straight stick and told him “these are the hands that are going to kick your ass” it was caught on his digital recorder. Kelly got scared And ran. I believe the officers instigated and elevated the situation.

  168. #168 by WTF on August 4, 2011

    Peace,
    how do you know that?

  169. #169 by Peaceinfullerton on August 4, 2011

    Several sources

  170. #170 by john doe on August 4, 2011

    yeah he had to be stern..what did you want him to do. Be sweet to him. The guy was resisting. He is a looney toon.

  171. #171 by peaceinfullerton on August 4, 2011

    #67, he was still seated. There is lot more that has been shared with the media. The officer was already on probation for unknown reason, that is why Ramos was the first to be relieved of duty immidiately.

  172. #172 by fullerton lover on August 4, 2011

    …maybe that’s an institutional problem with the FPD is that no one ever said will you? instead of you will!!!

  173. #173 by Code 6 Charles on August 4, 2011

    As an LAPD officer for 12 years working in skidrow I’ve had the pleasure of busting open a few filthy bum’s skulls.

    The black ones are the easiest because most are forgotten by their families, have extensive criminal records, diseased, mentally retarded, loud mouthed and give the most resistance which is a bonus.

    What we typically do is shake down the local drug dealer, take his drugs or gun without arresting him . This gives us more lee way and he gets our respect.

    Typically they’re dealing crack so we hold it for when we make contact with a homeless piece of shit that is causing trouble. Usually we shove them on the ground because most people become defensive when they’re shoved then we’ll throw a baggie nearby or on him during the scuffle or arrest.

    Just for kicks we’ll give ’em a few punches to the head and chest while they’re resisting. The best part is punching them in the chest while tazing them. Some shit themselves when we do it.

    I can tell you that If you want to get away with legally shooting a bum, shoplifter, gangbanger or what have you, just say they reached for your weapon during the scuffle or if they run like in an alley or in a place with a lot of bushes shoot them then toss the weapon nearby. You never have to put it in their hands in fact putting a gun in their hand is just stupid.

    I love working for this department and I wouldn’t even consider working anywhere else. The best part is putting out an officer needs help call and having your brothers in blue join in on the fun then having a beer after the shift is over.

  174. #174 by Lopez on August 4, 2011

    You piece of Merda,Your time will come whether or not you are a officer…………..

  175. #175 by Lopez on August 4, 2011

    Code 6 Charles!!!Your tome will come you Puto,You Piece of Merda…Officer or not……………………..

  176. #176 by discarted on August 4, 2011

    Are the owners of this blog able to track commenters via ISP addresses? If so, please track this person down and make his/her information public. We need to know who are the threats in our communities.

  177. #177 by discarted on August 4, 2011

    Just reported this “hero” to the FBI, and I suggest everybody else do the same. Here’s the link:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/

  178. #178 by A.NonymousOne on August 5, 2011

    #136 discarted

    Good for you.

  179. #179 by Mr. Boo on August 4, 2011

    Hey, stop replying or even fucking thinking about Code 6 Charles.. He’s obviously just a troll trying to rile people up, which he or she or it has done. Ignore him and he’ll go away.

  180. #180 by Nyc on August 4, 2011

    Don’t let this idiot rile you up, he/she is just a loser troll with nothing better to do than touch some nerves. Probably hails from a lovely raise household with a cop as a family member, nothing more. Get back to the issues at hand and ignore this one, their life is clearly pretty miserable.

  181. #181 by D.C on August 4, 2011

    You also have nothing intelligent to contribute so please leave. A real member of Lapd would realize his/her posts are traceable. Your lack of awareness suggests you might actually be FPD.

  182. #182 by John b. on August 4, 2011

    Your time has come.

  183. #183 by A.NonymousOne on August 5, 2011

    #131-Code 6 Charles

    After what you described in your post as “fun” then my only WISH for you is that you meet your demise in a filthy alley – alone.

  184. #184 by Jack I Gagaggeder on August 6, 2011

    Hope the FBI takes a look at your pathetic, chicken shit ass. Looks like there might be a few crimes in your past worth looking into.

  185. #185 by Mike on August 25, 2011

    Eat merde and bark at the moon LA pig.

  186. #186 by Reality Is on August 25, 2011

    Wow just saw this post. Nutty. Wild skid row.

  187. #187 by Cop Hater on August 4, 2011

    Why are you still on here John Law?

    Haven’t you figured out yet that you’re done? You and your buddies relinquished your authority the second you abused your power. Your badges don’t mean shit any more, they’re as useless as you are.

  188. #188 by LeRoy Murray on August 4, 2011

    Another nameless officer heard from?

  189. #189 by Ron on August 5, 2011

    Hey John Doe. Ease up!!! The guy had a bonified mental illness called Schizophrenia. HE was homeless and harmless. Two good cops could have easily handles the situation. Your little FPD buddies need to do some serious time and learn how to flip burgers for a change of career.

  190. #190 by john doe on August 5, 2011

    So why should the citizens of Fullerton/FPD be responsible for this psycho. Hes dad didnt give a rats ass!! Harmless.. please.

  191. #191 by Nutball on August 4, 2011

    LIar.

  192. #192 by Mike on August 25, 2011

    got blood on your hands Nutjob? Maybe you’ll get AIDs. One can only hope….

  193. #193 by Reality Is on August 25, 2011

    Or maybe I beat you and give it to you?

  194. #194 by Mike on August 25, 2011

    So you got it from nutjob? bring it on fool.

  195. #195 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    johnny blue ,, a friend txtd and said he saw it on tv? shrug?

    but ,,

    that is standard operating procedure for FPD and underclass citizens

    to fuck with em ,, search em ,, find a piece of weed or something and then take to to jail ,,,

    OH why did you search him ,,, OH , because someone said they saw him burglarizing cars,, YA RIGHT,

    chxn

  196. #196 by Johnny Blue on August 4, 2011

    Ask him what news station that was.

  197. #197 by Anon304 on August 4, 2011

    Parallel topic? Can someone do a follow up on what happened to the other corrupt cop, the iPad crook?

  198. #198 by Jefferson Thomas on August 4, 2011

    #41,

    The founding fathers would have never allowed for Kelly Thomas to be unarmed.

    Please Read the Bill of Rights. Why on earth “average” citizens have relinquished control is beyond me.

    Every Patriot should be carrying a weapon. Stop relying on your tax money to protect you….it is paper. Bullets work better as a deterrent to violent crimes.

  199. #199 by Water Bottle on August 5, 2011

    Jefferson Thomas :
    #41,
    The founding fathers would have never allowed for Kelly Thomas to be unarmed.

    I guess you don’t know anything about them. They weren’t for forcing someone to be armed all the time.

  200. #200 by annoymous on August 4, 2011

    Not only Fullerton, but all over this country, and probably the whole world, the citizens are under a ‘police state” and “pain compliance” by bully goon thugs. Plus the government officials that pay these murders their salaries, are as responsible, if not more!!

  201. #201 by pianoarthur on August 4, 2011

  202. #202 by Nutball on August 4, 2011

    That’s right. Deal with it. My dad taught me if you talk shit to the cops or run from the cops you will get beat. Live and learn. He ran he died.

  203. #203 by oh really on August 5, 2011

    @nutball…….I bet your dad taught you how to swallow and accept 10 inces in to your rectum too.

  204. #204 by A.NonymousOne on August 5, 2011

    #154

    Touche’ !!!

    Another badgelicking batonswallower called out.

  205. #205 by john doe on August 5, 2011

    @nutball …they get nasty when they are defeated..

  206. #206 by Mike on August 25, 2011

    I think Nutballlicker likes rough sex…with men in uniform.

  207. #207 by annoymous on August 4, 2011

    Thomas Jefferson right now would be “white hot” at all these evil doers, and would take more action! remember The Boston Tea Party! And that was just taxation without representation. THIS IS FAR WORSE!!

  208. #208 by Jefferson Thomas on August 4, 2011

    I agree but we continue to vote in these government officials.

    We lost are way when it was taught that we live in a Democracy. Nothing could be further from the truth. We live in a Republic, where certain rights are inalienable.

    (If that is too big a word for some…it means you don’t get to vote on everything like it or not.)

  209. #209 by Chuck M. on August 4, 2011

    It kind of explains why they were so quick to reach a paltry settlement with Mr. Thomas. This goes beyond a beating, its very possible that they knowingly gave a mentally handicap man a badge and gun then let him out on the streets.

    If its true that he continued to beat Kelly Thomas after he was unconscious and didn’t stop even after blood was flying out of his head demonstrates a lack of impulse control in my opinion.

    Even the police union is keeping quiet. This doesnt look good for the fullerton police dept.

    …Just look at the photo of Jay Cincinelli below …look at him. Im sorry but he does not look like anyone who is fit enough to be allowed anywhere near a weapon, let alone make critical life or death decisions.

    This wasnt just an eye injury. Look at his stance and posture, the shooting obviously caused brain damage in my opinion.

    I wonder why they went through so much trouble to hire him, it wasnt like he was a senior officer with specialized skills. He was a rookie LAPD officer with only three weeks experience.

    Michael Hillmann and Patrick McKinley screwed up big time by letting him on the force. Current chief Michael Sellers screwed up by not only letting him continue to be active after the shooting but reassigned him to work undercover detail after the public uproar and as the article pointed out, the union screwed up by turning a blind eye to someone who obviously isn’t physically and maybe even mentally fit to be an officer.

    I want to know how many complaints were received about him (from other officers or the public), if he was allowed to drive a patrol car, if he needed any assistance performing his duties and if he was involved in any shootings or traffic accidents.

    I think what happened here was a “perfect storm”… You had a young man who badly wanted to be a police officer but that dream was snuffed out when he got shot in the head and lost an eye. I think that shooting left him with brain damage so instead of giving up and taking retirement he was still focused on becoming a cop because the part of his brain that controls impulse and reasoning was damaged.

    On the other hand you had higher ups at the LAPD who felt so sorry for him ignored the signs of brain damage and took his constant insistence to become a cop again as dedication and strong will instead of brain damage. They also ignored the fact that he lacked depth perception so it would be impossible for him to shoot without putting the public and other officers in danger.

    Fortunately former LAPD Chief Parks read between the lines and made the right decision to remove him. Unfortunately two of the higher ups at LAPD (Hillman & McKinley) were still intent of getting him in law enforcement again and part of this was probably due to Officer Cincinelli’s constant no-stop insistence.

    Eventually they decided to put him on the Fullerton PD, probably fudged the psychological evaluation (if they even had one) and definitely ignored the P.O.S.T requirements.

    In the meanwhile you had a police dept whose policy was to use heavy handed tactics and extreme force and now you had a brain damaged cop with lack impulse control on the force working in these conditions…

    Fast forward to June 5 2011, all of this came together and what you had was a brain damaged cop lacking impulse beat a man to death. The reason why the beating was so severe and obvious is because that part of his brain that used reason, logic and impulse is either gone or screwed up.

    The reason why the other cops didn’t step in and stop it is because Officer Cicinelli was a high ranking police officer (a Lt I believe) and they were going off the old “Blue Code of Silence” mentality.

    Pat McKinley should be removed from Office and thrown in Jail. He is the one behind the heavy handed policy and he is the one who allowed a partially blind mentally retarded man on his police force.

    The other officers who stood by and did nothing while Officer Cicinelli brutally and viciously bludgeoned a man to death should be thrown in jail.

  210. #210 by Ppl Ppl on August 4, 2011

    You nailed it.

  211. #211 by My Opinion on August 4, 2011

    Do not forget Bruce D. Praet

    This man is the same person who tried to pay-off (offering thuggish hush money) to Ron Thomas and then Mr. “hush money” Praet denied he did offer to pay off the family.

    So much for lies here is the pay-off sheet: http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/616/08/616_1312413089.jpg

    His company amalgamates (plagiarize) the policy manuals from PD’s around the country, then edits the information into an operational manual for these taxpayer funded gladiators to go murder citizens.

    When policemen break the law, then there isn’t any law.

  212. #212 by pianoarthur on August 4, 2011

    Here are a few more examples of your ‘perfect storms’ I think it is time to start ‘splainin it to the rank and file:
    http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/

  213. #213 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    ABSOLUTLY Jefferson Thomas

    now there are many of us , who if caught with a gun , will go to jail ,,,

    SLICK bill clinton ,

    passed some legislation that anyone , convicted of a crime ,, even misdemeanor , in a certin category,

    assault , domestic violence , getting your ass kicked by a cop , , having a screaming argument , and thawing a plate thru your own window ,, etc ,,

    are now not allowed to own a weapon to protect your own life and the lives of your family,

    WHICH IS APPAULING,,,

    and ,,

    truthfully ,, all the laws and amendments ,, are ALL illagitamat, and we should just observe the basic bill of rights and the constitution ,,,

    BUT THAT IS RISKY,,, they will fuck you ,

    but , risk is what leads to rewards,

    and there is no risk is the people can realize they have bee duped into a police state , slave ship , called DE-MERICA.

    PAPER MONEY WILL FAIL,,

    the answer is ,

    A GARDEN , CHICKENS , A GOAT, AND A GUN,

    chxn

  214. #214 by Nutball on August 4, 2011

    Bring it tough guy.

  215. #215 by Anon on August 4, 2011

    it is amazing to me that some of those people are actually listed in the telephone book. Why would they do that?

  216. #216 by annoymous on August 4, 2011

    Thomas Jefferson, great letter of yours to the French Prime Minister, thanking his country for helping us winning the war against England. To those readers that don’t know, Google; “The tree of liberty….

  217. #217 by Chris Roberts on August 4, 2011

    Someone should make these officers contact information and adresses public.

  218. #218 by discarted on August 4, 2011

    Cicinelli’s is available via Google.

  219. #219 by Nutball on August 4, 2011

    I hope they do and I hope some moron like you shows up at their house. YOu will die too. Try it.

  220. #220 by Jack I Gagaggeder on August 6, 2011

    Just for showin up? Hmmmm. Maybe he’s got some temper issues…

  221. #221 by Crack Smoker on August 4, 2011

    Then your daddy will claim you were the best kid in the world and so sweet. Just like Kelly’s daddy. Joke. Daddy threw him on the street and now wants money after he’s dead. Joke. Losers both of em.

  222. #222 by JLK on August 4, 2011

    Why is CNN the only National Network giving this story any meaningful attention??? Just watched them do a 10 Minute Interview with Kelly’s Father.

  223. #223 by disgusted on August 4, 2011

    Who cares about CNN? The lamestream journalists = FAIL.

    Major kudos and regards to this blog’s writers, otherwise the whole despicable mess would have been swept under the carpet.

    This blog and others are the real free press. The rest are just the controlled media, useless disinfo purveyors. If it were up to the OC Register this story about a ‘scuffle’ would only be found in the archives.

  224. #224 by annoymous on August 4, 2011

    Dumb cops, oh I mean pigs LOL

  225. #225 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    just so you all know why im so HOTabout this

    FPD BEAT ME WITH BATTONS ,,, 20 30 BLOWS,, BROKE MY KNEE CAP,,, HIT ME MULTIPLE TIMES ON THE GROUND,,,

    I TOO NEED TO GO GET MY RECORDS,

    CHXN

    a garden, chickens, a goat , and a gun….

    peazx

  226. #226 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    and i was taken to ST JUDE ,, where they put me in a room alone with the cop who beat me ,,, who beat me up in the hospital when i was naked and chained to a bed,,

    CHXN

  227. #227 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    AND fpd’s crime scene photographer , came to the hospital and photoed all my cuts bruises and swellings.

    so

    SHRUG

    CHXN

  228. #228 by John on August 4, 2011

    Did you see a lawyer CHIKEN?

  229. #229 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    tried ,,, but ,,, i was still just a little chick at the time,,

    but i did ,, hire a lawyer to get me off for the trumped up charges that they filed against me ,, two weeks later.

    kicked out of the fullerton jail ,,, with a busted body no charges, except resisting arrest,,, and a ticket

    and then later ,, i get a letter , saying ,, im being charged with 2 counts assault on an officer , two counts of battery on an officer , 2 counts of resisting arrest ,, blah blah ,

    COVER UP,,,

    LOTS MORE TO TELL

    i got to go to werK,,,

    L8RS

    CHXN

  230. #230 by Crack Smoker on August 4, 2011

    LOL ur a joke chicken. YOu aren’t old enough to drive yet.

  231. #231 by o no...more of them on August 4, 2011

    @i live in fullerton……oc sheriff is not a good option….. check out al waters, a deputy who set up fake drug stings to get his own drugs, involved in 2 traffic collisins in 1 day cuz he was dui, and showed up to court drunk…this is what information was give to the public…

    and next erin guidice…a lieutenant who was the harbor master and had a county car she drove around…….she was dui, involved in a collison in the county car… she is on probation til 2012…..her punishment….kept her rank, probaly her paid grade and was “re-assigned” to the jail…not too bad for a probationer….who paid for the damage???? o and don’t forget her husband is also a LT…

    and who can forget, corona, hadle and jerimino???? the sheriff and his assistants…..ccorrupt again…….so would not want them in their……..

    next option for police services???????

  232. #232 by JLK on August 4, 2011

    @Discusted

    I was just saying CNN is the only major network doing a good job of covering this story so the whole country can know about it.

    The more national coverage the more heat gets put on FPD and the DA.

    This blog had been very good on keeping this story in the news but lacks the national leverage that this story needs.

  233. #233 by disgusted on August 4, 2011

    This blog ROCKS!

    This blog is the FREE PRESS!

    If it weren’t for this blog, there would be no story on CNN.

  234. #234 by JLK on August 4, 2011

    @Disgusted.

    I Live in MN and to my shock only heard about this story yesterday on CNN. I went online to find more information which lead me to this blog, which I agree with you has done a outstanding job getting this story to daylight. However without national coverage no one will ever know about the discusting acts of these police officers.

    I’m not trying to argue free press or how the national media is baised, that is a different issue. I want all of america to know about this tradgedy. Unfortuantely anyone I talk to here in MPLS responds the same way……”what? I never heard anything on that!” THAT IS MY POINT.

  235. #235 by CHIKEN on August 4, 2011

    ,,, EMAIL LISTS ,, LINK TO BLOG?

  236. #236 by pianoarthur on August 4, 2011

  237. #237 by John on August 4, 2011

    The OC DA has never filed a criminal complaint against any police/sheriff. Never, ever

  238. #238 by calwatch on August 4, 2011

    Well they have, but not for OIS/DIS. Mostly stuff they did in their personal lives, although there is one officer (Jesse Green) who used his badge to sodomize a couple of women he met.

    http://orangecountyda.com/docs/175772972011casemanagementlist.pdf

  239. #239 by Nena on August 4, 2011

    This was a terrible thing that happened yes its true and they need to keep investigating and there will be many many more cases of police beatings

  240. #240 by Jack on August 4, 2011

    I am following the case as closely as I can, and I was wondering if there has been any more mention of the tape the ‘real estate agent’ supposedly shot of the beating? I watched a witnesses interview on YouTube, and I am curious why no one else (that I have been able to find) has mentioned it?
    Also, I’m no legal strategist, and the ones who are say that releasing the video that the DA has could potentially taint witnesses testimony @ trial, but why aren’t we, the public, granted access to it when it’s undeniable that if it ‘proved the officer’s innocence’ it would be all over the TV and Internet?
    Lastly, I don’t live anywhere near Fullerton, so I’m obviously not as informed as someone who does, but is there any speculation on why such a brutal, lawless murder was carried out in front of so many people? By all accounts, Kelly Thomas was a peaceful and gentle man, did the officers involved (or any FPD officers) have a grudge against him, or the homeless in general? I’ve read many reports and have seen many videos that suggest the FPD is heavy-handed normally, but this was particularly blatant and brutal.

  241. #241 by Ppl Ppl on August 4, 2011

    If you watch the tape looks like there is a man much closer taping it. I think he turned it over to the fullerton pd where it probably …fell off a truck.

  242. #242 by Crack Smoker on August 4, 2011

    Because a transient drug addict that has been a menace to the City decided to look into cars for some change. Cops were called, he ran, he fought, he got beat. Simple.

  243. #243 by Brent Hancock on August 4, 2011

    “Joe Wolfe explorer advisor?”

    Well you see son, this is how ya split a skull! Pay tention Boy, See…… to the head son not the body! Give em a little more voltage there would ya son.

  244. #244 by Laser Haas on August 4, 2011

    The one witness (the other homeless guy) who came forward – said the Cops confiscated a video.

    CNN asked about the video and the Fullerton DA thought she was talking about the police video the DA has.

    Purportedly, the Police camera shows them beating him – after he was unconscious and still – until they made him Bleed….

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/04/1003081/-Police-Brutality-Cover-Up-FAILS-as-Thomas-father-turns-down-$900,000?via=tag

  245. #245 by Hick Jones on August 4, 2011

    I like turtles.

  246. #246 by nipsey on August 4, 2011

    It’s sergeant, but yeah.

  247. #247 by PaybacksAB on August 4, 2011

    I have a feeling friends of QUIRK are posting and to all the wives of these cops, go to hell.

  248. #248 by John Doe on August 4, 2011

    Was the dad allowed to attend the funeral even though he had a RO?

  249. #249 by Fullertonian on August 4, 2011

    A friend of mine who works at FPD and has seen the surveillance video told me Cicinelli was first on the scene and taunted Kelly by slapping his baton into his palm saying, “we’re gonna get you, Kelly. We’re gonna get you.” Kelly, of course, got scared and ran. Cincinelli chased him, knocked him down and started beating him. One by one, the remaining officers showed up and, instead of trying to put a stop to it, decided to help beat the life out of him. Every one of the cops knew Kelly. Every one of them knew Kelly was mentally ill and was homeless. They knew him.

  250. #250 by Jack on August 4, 2011

    Wow..if that was the case, it may have been a case of an officer ‘playing with’ him, then when Thomas (understandably) ran, he panicked and beat him..If they DID know him/of him, they must have been aware that his father was a retired officer and was afraid he’d tell his father? Thanks for the input..also, (as I’ve said, I’m not from there) what is the general consensus of the working relationship between OC deputies and the FPD? Anyone know of any animosity, personal or professional?

  251. #251 by Chuck M. on August 4, 2011

    Peaceinfullerton :
    At the initial contact offer ramos threatened Kelly Thomas with his straight stick and told him “these are the hands that are going to kick your ass” it was caught on his digital recorder. Kelly got scared And ran. I believe the officers instigated and elevated the situation.

    …I smell BS Fullertonian …Peaceinfullerton …or whatever you call yourself

  252. #252 by Fullertonian on August 4, 2011

    Chuck M.,

    I simply passed along information I got from someone I consider a reliable source.

  253. #253 by X on August 4, 2011

    @ KIM. I got a ticket for “resisting arrest”. Officer Hampton never filed it. My Court date was on the 13th of July.

  254. #254 by fullerton citizen on August 4, 2011

    @by X to busy trying to find away out of this murder rap most likely

  255. #255 by fullerton citizen on August 4, 2011

    #120 by Fullerton president Lincoln once said in a speech to congress “Give a man ultimate power and you will see his true character”

  256. #256 by fullerton citizen on August 4, 2011

    @ Fullertonian President Lincoln once said in a speech to congress “Give a man ultimate power and you will see his true character”

  257. #257 by X on August 4, 2011

    Officer Jay Cicinelli
    Officer Kenton Hampton
    Officer Manny Ramos
    Officer Joe Wolfe
    Officer James Blatney

    PROTECT YOUR ANGUS!!!!

  258. #258 by merijoe on August 4, 2011

    Hone up on youe salad tossing abilities

  259. #259 by Homer on August 4, 2011

    Homer :@42 Why do you need to make rude commemnts about her? I don’t recall hearing about her being at the transportation center when this happened. Just rude…

    That was actually aimed at #46.

  260. #260 by Anonymous on August 4, 2011

    hey do not address post by numbers,
    as they change when new post are added

    SO ADDRESS BY NAME

  261. #261 by tVEGA on August 4, 2011

    #79: code 6,

    I hope this site admin or fbi or someone grabs your IP address for your stupid fuckin post and investigates it. Actually, hey admin of this site can you please post #79: Code 6’s IP address. Let’s teach this idiot a lesson. You are the slum of this earth.

  262. #262 by David Chessler on August 4, 2011

    buttsex.

  263. #263 by Crack Smoker on August 4, 2011

    Good luck. Free speech.

  264. #264 by David Chessler on August 4, 2011

    So? What do the soldiers in your little cause du jour plan to do with this information?

  265. #265 by good cops on August 4, 2011

    Blatney is a good cop that had little to no involvement and showed up at the end based on the video shown on the cell phone. Known him for years….Good cop

  266. #266 by discarted on August 4, 2011

    “Good cops” speak out when their colleagues violate the law. Therefore, there really aren’t any good cops in this country because these “good cops” never speak up. Instead, they’re just passive, guilty participants.

    And if you’re good cop buddy was so innocent then why has he allegedly retained a lawyer?

  267. #267 by MJTitan2012 on August 4, 2011

    “Good Cops” is right. It appears in the video that at least one of the officers arrives at the very end. Unfortunnaley all the officers involved are under the same public and media scrutiny. They are being judged by the the public and as one. According to reports one lawyer has been hired to represent all 6 officers, regardless of their level of involvement. I don’t think the officers are seeking their own individual legal council, so it’s awfully unfair to point to that as an admission of guilt by indivudal officers. I feel bad for the last officer to arrive, considering it appears he was just doing his job responding to a call.

    Emotions are running high and it seems the public is ready to crucify all of the officers without knowing the specifics.

  268. #268 by Water Bottle on August 5, 2011

    discarted :
    And if you’re good cop buddy was so innocent then why has he allegedly retained a lawyer?

    Because it would be insanely stupid not to immediately obtain a lawyer.

  269. #269 by Chris Thompson on August 4, 2011

    Assuming that it is accurate that Jimmy Blatney was there, I hope and pray that he was a late arrival as some have indicated here and that there was nothing he could have done to improve the situation. While I cannot claim that we are good friends, I have known Jimmy to some degree since he was a kid and it has ALWAYS been my perspective that he is a very nice guy.

  270. #270 by Anon304 on August 4, 2011

    You’ll just have to sit back and let the investigation take its course. But saying “he is a very nice guy,” is what has always been used to sweep problems under the rug. Too much has been overlooked because people were “nice guys” or they’ve known each other since “he was a kid.”
    Sometimes people get stuck in bad situations, but if they don’t step up and say something then they share in the guilt. You’ll have to sit back and see if he did say anything as well.

  271. #271 by Christian on August 4, 2011

    Too nice to stop a murder? Just askin…

  272. #272 by fullertongal on August 5, 2011

    jim was a good guy when I knew him in high school. I find it hard to believe he did this. More likely he was one that stopped it. Never-the-less, what happened to Kelly was uncalled for and horrible. Some one is responsible and should and will pay.

  273. #273 by TheFullertonWatcher on August 4, 2011

    Then why is he hiding?

  274. #274 by Cynthia Ward on August 6, 2011

    I’ll play devil’s advocate here, it could very well be that late arriving officers are spilling the truth to the FBI and/or DA, just because they remain silent to the press right now, on advice of attorney, does not mean they are covering. Just a possibility that we may see some cops rolling on their buddies in court later, but not in the media right now. Hang tight and let’s see what happens in a trial…..my bigger concern is not whether people are talking to the media vs. investigators, but whether the DA will have the stones to file charges and let this get to a trial. How many times have we seen them say there isn’t enough evidence to file charges, and then we never get to see what evidence they did have, like other cops telling the truth, because it is then a “personnel matter” and confidential.

  275. #275 by good cops on August 4, 2011

    He got a lawyer because he’s not an idiot like you

  276. #276 by discarted on August 4, 2011

    So it’s not alleged—thanks for the info.

    The guilty lawyer up, not the innocent.

    So I suspect your pal is the first one to make a deal, rats out his buddies, and gets a lighter sentence.

  277. #277 by calwatch on August 4, 2011

    No everyone should get a lawyer. You don’t talk to the police, or investigators, without a lawyer. Even the police will tell you that – innocent people should not talk to the police either. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6014022229458915912

  278. #278 by Nokomarie on August 5, 2011

    Very true. Never talk to the cops. Not only will they twist your words and misrepresent your tone of voice but in conversation will try to bait you into a wrong move. A simple touch on the arm can be called an assault you know. Always have a lawyer, all cops do.

  279. #279 by good cops on August 4, 2011

    I guarantee it will only be one or two of these guys that get into hot water

  280. #280 by discarted on August 4, 2011

    Give it another month or so and all the infighting will start occurring among these “heroes”. At that point, they’ll each get their own lawyer and start turning on each other.

    Looking forward to the expiration date on your guarantee.

  281. #281 by Anon304 on August 4, 2011

    Exactly. Deals are going to be struck. Fingers will be pointed. But really? As far as I’m concerned, I don’t want any of them in this town anymore as officers of the law. They are done.

  282. #282 by Jed Cooper on August 4, 2011

    #143 – #149
    By your own admission you know this individual and you claim he is a (relative opinion) good cop.

    Well then did this so-called good cop step-up and stop this beating/murder?

    Has he fully admitted all of his knowledge of /participation in the beating/murder?

    Or can we expect some other dismissive lying to the process of cover-up?

  283. #283 by Satanicus on August 4, 2011

    Guilty or not, the FIRST thing you should do is get a lawyer, so that’s a fallacious assumption.

    I’m fully prepared to believe FPD officers went overboard–I was BEFORE this thing happened. But I also believe that at this point, coverup just isn’t possible. Involved officers WILL be held responsible for their actions and appropriately dealt with.

    Maybe if we stop electing former cops to city council the standing police force wouldn’t think they can get away with murder?

  284. #284 by discarted on August 4, 2011

    I know it’s fallacious and you should always lawyer up no matter what and never talk to the cops because anything you say will be used against you.

    But don’t the cops always say, “If you got nothing to hide, then you got nothing to worry about.”?

  285. #285 by Anonymous on August 4, 2011

    http://www.ci.fullerton.ca.us/depts/police/about_fullerton_police/chief_michael_sellers.asp

    Is all this really true about Sellers? Community oriented policing? I don’t know who wrote this but it doesn’t seem like the same person.

  286. #286 by Evola on August 4, 2011

    This is despicable. I am overwhelmingly disappointed.

  287. #287 by Anon on August 4, 2011

    So why didn’t he intervene, then? NO ONE INTERVENE. Not one of the officers attempted to stop the beating. Police want praise for jumping into action, for displaying bravery in the face of criminals, but it’s okay to put your hands in your pockets and scuff the ground with your sneaker when it’s a cop?

    As far as I’m concerned, every officer there had a responsibility, an obligation to protect Kelly. Failure to do so is contributing to the crime. Fuck them.

  288. #288 by Gonzo, Esq. on August 4, 2011

    http://www.copblock.org/6619/seig-heil-to-the-nazis-in-fullerton/#comment-136322

    A good friend of mine from law school just posted this piece.

  289. #289 by fullerton citizen on August 4, 2011

    Cops and College: Do Police Need Book Smarts?

    Better-educated police officers resort less often to using force, research shows.

    http://www.miller-mccune.com/legal-affairs/cops-and-college-do-police-need-book-smarts-21852/

  290. #290 by Johnny Blue on August 4, 2011

    I was wondering this today actually. Also, I wonder what the connection is with ex-military and use of force compared to those with a 4 year degree and use of force. I support military, however, they tend be a little hot coming back from service. Great article. Being a Police Officer is a profession, so why don’t we treat it as a profession with education along with training?

  291. #291 by Mr. Boo on August 4, 2011

    Tony Bushala for Mayor:
    http://www.ocweekly.com/2011-08-04/news/moxley-confidential-kelly-thomas-tony-bushala-friends-for-fullertons-future/

    But i sure do hope that in your well-intention crusade you and yours don’t do something that gets you in hot water (like pubishing home addresses of cops). I don’t know if that’s illegal, but it’s probably not the best course of action, considering the six cops involved with this have received death threats (and i heard a cop downtown just yesterday saying that the families have moved and the Fullerton 6 are in hiding).

  292. #292 by Anon on August 4, 2011

    All the addresses posted so far are public record and are posted with links to where this public information can be found. The Fullerton 6 are scared? I wonder if they’re even half as scared as Kelly was in his final minutes of his life?

  293. #293 by Christian on August 4, 2011

    Mr. Boo,
    Apparently you didn’t get the memo. The aren’t the Fullerton 6. They are the McKinley 6, named after their ringleader former Chief Pat McKinley who still wears a body armor a round town and at council meetings.

  294. #294 by merijoe on August 4, 2011

    seriously? what a tool-dork

  295. #295 by Ace P on August 4, 2011

    Finally!

    These scum need to be run out of town. Now.

  296. #296 by scotty on August 4, 2011

    Express your concern and time to stand up
    White House: http://www.whitehouse.gov/
    U.S Dept. of Justice: http://www.justice.gov/
    CA Governor Ed Brown: http://gov.ca.gov/

  297. #297 by Sands on August 4, 2011

    Ed Brown?

    You’re showing your age!

    LOL.

  298. #298 by Ace P on August 4, 2011

    Go Moxley!

  299. #299 by NotSoRedDawn on August 4, 2011

    In the meantime, the FPD are taking their frustration out on the homeless of Fullerton.

    http://articles.ocregister.com/2011-08-02/news/29847809_1_homeless-population-police-officers-homeless-shelter

    They have no conscience, no heart, no shame.

  300. #300 by Sands on August 4, 2011

    KFI John & Ken just named them based on this thread.

    They will be divorced,unemployed broke and in prison, in less than three years.

    Something LEOS need to think about as they make arrests.

    Thousands of resisting perps are taken into custody every week without this outcome.

  301. #301 by Anon304 on August 4, 2011

    If they’re smart, they’ll tender their resignations, sell their homes, pack up and move. Then never apply for another job in law enforcement again.

  302. #302 by merijoe on August 4, 2011

    then they’ll be fugitives dont criminals go to prison?

  303. #303 by Anonymous on August 4, 2011

    I think what they mean as opposed to sitting around grabbing a paycheck and not working. They’ll still be held accountable to go through the court process, only Fullerton residents won’t have to suffer the indignity of having to shell out admin leave pay.

  304. #304 by Crack Smoker on August 4, 2011

    And banging ur old lady. Perfect.

  305. #305 by Justice4kelly on August 7, 2011

    You are absolutely right.

  306. #306 by Vernon Dozier on August 4, 2011

    Sharon Quirk is getting owned by John and Ken right now. Shes does NOT approve of the officers’ names being released.

  307. #307 by discarted on August 4, 2011

    That’s ironic and even more pathetic because if the McKinley 6 were non-cops who committed this crime, their names and faces would’ve been released the day of the crime.

  308. #308 by calwatch on August 5, 2011

    Not necessarily. None of the cops have been arrested yet. Now arguably they should be arrested – if Cicanelli is the one who shoved the tazer, that’s involuntary manslaughter right there, even if he just slipped or it was an accident. But generally cops don’t release names and photos unless they actually arrest someone, or are looking for them as fugitives or don’t know where they are. Presumably Sellers knows where all 6 are, although they better have their passports taken away and GPS tracking put on them so they don’t leave the state or the country. When Mehserle (the cop who shot Oscar Grant on the train platform in Oakland) was caught he was in Nevada, when he was told not to leave the state.

  309. #309 by merijoe on August 4, 2011

    stupid bitch, why? they aint special

  310. #310 by peaceinfullerton on August 4, 2011

    The Sgt on scene was Sgt Kevin Craig. From what I was told by several sources, He hired an attorney with in days of the incident and asked for an extended vacation. There are several cops on the department who can’t and will not say anything publically because of fear from within. They are sick to there stomachs because of this!

  311. #311 by merijoe on August 4, 2011

    tough noogies. So they’d rather keep quiet so they dont get spanked by their co workers? shit sometimes you just have to do whats right and this would be one of those times

    They all out to be crucified-the cowards

  312. #312 by discarted on August 4, 2011

    There lies the root of the problem, and they’re all guilty for remaining silent.

    Real heroes speak up, and cowards sit in passive silence.

  313. #313 by Sands on August 4, 2011

    Can this be confirmed?

  314. #314 by Stud Lee on August 4, 2011

    It’s time for them to stand and speak out like men of honor.

  315. #315 by calwatch on August 5, 2011

    On the other hand, speak out about what? None of them were actually there for the beating. “Conduct a full investigation?” If it wasn’t being done they are too low on the totem pole to know it. Condemn Cicanelli, Hampton, and the others? Other officers will say that they don’t know the whole story, again because they weren’t there. You can be disgusted at what happened, but unless you want to resign or retire you sure as hell aren’t going to speak out. There could be the slight chance that Kelly started biting at the officers or something, which the tape would show, and in which case anyone internal who did speak out would look really stupid.

  316. #316 by jonnyc on August 12, 2011

    I was wondering how you know the sgt. name. I’ve been searching the web and this site for along time and you’re the only one to put his name out there.

  317. #317 by jonnyc on August 14, 2011

    who is your source? If you are going to throw there name out there at least have to the balls to say who you are…my name is Shane Gentile….So answer up big blogger……I don’t even live in the o.c. but if your going to throw peoples names out stand up and be a man…sounds like peaceinfullerton is somebody who hides behind there keyboard…

  318. #318 by Tom on August 4, 2011

    Its not just the six officers, now we have new crimes committed in the cover-up. Who authorized the six reviewing the videotape to write their reports?

  319. #319 by Johnny Blue on August 4, 2011

    And according to Quirk, the CHIEF hasn’t seen the video. B.S. If the officers saw the video, you know damn well the chief did too.

  320. #320 by Crack Smoker on August 4, 2011

    who authorized? LOL it’s the Police video system. It’s now evidence. Wasn’t then.

  321. #321 by Anon on August 4, 2011

    Has anyone contacted Nancy Grace about this? She might be a scary, half-crazed hag, but she’d bring the attention right quick.

  322. #322 by Sands on August 4, 2011

    Thank you Travis Kriger, Tony Bushala and Fullerton Future.org.

    Your will save lives.

    On both sides of this issue.

  323. #323 by Quirk Doesn't Care on August 4, 2011

    You can tell bey Quirk’s tone of voice, inflection, etc that she is all about herself. At least she eventually spoke up (out of self-preservation) but that comment about not releasing officers names was uncalled for… they are criminals, with shiny guns and badges.

    Get out your torches and pitchforks!

    THIS CASE SHOULD BE A SIGNAL TO ALL CROOKED COPS THAT PEOPLE AREN’T GOING TO TAKE YOUR SHIT ANYMORE!

  324. #324 by Johnny Blue on August 4, 2011

    Quirk said that the CHIEF DID NOT see the video. So you’re telling me the 6 officers and others in department saw the video but NOT the CHIEF???? I hope she’s not one of the liars now. The corruption and lying is spreading like wild fire.

  325. #325 by Crack Smoker on August 4, 2011

    LOL good luck. You will get beat too.

  326. #326 by row on August 5, 2011

    troll

  327. #327 by peace on August 4, 2011

    The chief has seen the video according to sources he has also called this the “100 year black plague” claiming that something bad happens every 100 years and that someone else witll screw up and take the focus of the department and this incident. He has said this in officer briefings!

  328. #328 by P.D on August 4, 2011

    You know other departments and cities have their fair share of corruption and cover-ups. Fullerton is at the forefront right now, while other departments and cities are slowly exiting the room before their baggage becomes exposed. I hope this is the start of the people getting their rights protected and exposing SOME of the scum that goes on in cities. Police and city council cannot hide behind their desks and badges anymore. The way technology is now, and in this case, gives a voice to the voiceless.

  329. #329 by MZ on August 4, 2011

  330. #330 by Crack Smoker on August 4, 2011

    the best of the best. He all get them off just like the others he got off.

  331. #331 by merijoe on August 4, 2011

    Travis Kriger, Tony Bushala-hope you consider taking over for the soon to be recalled fosilized slugs

  332. #332 by Martha on August 4, 2011

    Are there any pictures of the 6 cowards?

  333. #333 by Brent Hancock on August 4, 2011

    Been posting links to kellys picture and fighting the good fight on cbs comment section, linking to Kellys picture in the hospital and filling in the blanks. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/04/earlyshow/main20087973.shtml

  334. #334 by Howmanymoretimes? on August 4, 2011

    Makes me wonder how many more times they have done this in the back alleys of Fullerton and there were no cameras or witnesses there? Is there a way to check how many homeless people have ended up at UCI Medical Center with severe brain injuries? How many of them were found in Fullerton? It would be easy for the cops to say they just found a dead beaten homeless guy and there are no suspects. This time they screwed up.

  335. #335 by Brent Hancock on August 4, 2011

    Maybe if we blowout the comment section maybe they will decide this story has legs. I don,t think it will help but who knows.

  336. #336 by Artist on August 4, 2011

    Is Manny Ramos dad a police officer too? Either in Fullerton or Brea? Does anyone know? because if so, he is the same bastard that left his wife when she was pregnant, her name was Nicky. And he dated a bartender from SuperMex restaurant, and kicked her out of the car in the middle of the night in Big Bear, she was barefoot and he did not care, he left her there. Trust, this is true because I met him before be became a cop and found out that he became one from a very close friend of his. His friend said that he became a cop and worked for FPD, I just know his last name started with an R. If he is fat, oh yeah it’s the same guy.

  337. #337 by calwatch on August 5, 2011

    Who does the BI for these people?

  338. #338 by cloudodust on August 4, 2011

    Not makiing excuses for the law, but do ya’ll get just as outraged when a cop is killed in the line of duty taking a bullet that some dic would just as soon put in you..?

  339. #339 by nyc on August 4, 2011

    Sad? Yes. Outraged? No. It’s not shocking that a criminal would commit a crime. It’s shocking that a cop would, and such a disgusting, blatant one at that.

    And by asking the question you ARE making excuses and ignoring the topic at hand. One thing has no bearing on the other.

  340. #340 by Joey4justice on August 4, 2011

    Do you understand the word outrage? Why wouldn’t you expect a criminal to act like a criminal? When that happens your supposed to call the cops the source of outrage is that when cops act like criminals there’s not really anyone to call.

  341. #341 by fullertonres on August 5, 2011

    I don’t pay the criminals.

  342. #342 by fullerton lover on August 4, 2011

    …sounds like the apple didn’t fall too far from the tree if that’s true. The kid never had a chance with a role model like that.

  343. #343 by Mark on August 4, 2011

    Steps for credibility

    1. Name All 6 Officers / murders and all involved supervisors.
    2. Fire the Chief Today
    3. Remove Taser guns from FPD / Obvious training issues
    4. Cut police budget 25% does not need 10 cars and 10 officers for 1 homeless man
    5. Recall All city council members-mayor / Fresh start
    6. Start a lawsuit on each officer/union/Chief derelict of duty

  344. #344 by Anonymous on August 4, 2011

    Mark, Agreed. On every single count.
    Also remember it’s not just a police issue. It’s an issue that has been condoned by years and years of not paying attention, and willfully looking the other way.
    City Hall has to be cleaned up, as does City Council.

  345. #345 by mikey on August 4, 2011

    john doe :
    yeah he had to be stern..what did you want him to do. Be sweet to him. The guy was resisting. He is a looney toon.

    stfu faggot i hope you rot in hell u low life pussy

  346. #346 by michele on August 4, 2011

    At least some honest cop gave out the info ,even they are disgusted ,lets hope they speak up more and clean out the bashers and corruption , this is nothing short of murder and the fact one exposed they have changed their stories many times is terrible .

  347. #347 by help??? on August 4, 2011

    hey people, don’t be so quick to bash all officers and think they are ALL bad…. simply not true…many have stepped up and given information to the proper people.

    if anyone thinks that these people from the inside are going to sit on the street corner and gives names & details to every passerby, ur wrong…..

    many good officers HAVE stepped up and provided information to bring justice as it should be. we are not all following “code of silence” as some of you think. many of the people on this site have expressed so much hate & anger against ALL officers… not true…..

    do u really think the chief or any councilmember was the person who supplied ANY info………wrong!!!,
    the information will all be out soon, sit back and let the journalists investigate along with the fbi…..there is MORE than 1 honest cop out there…..

  348. #348 by richard Seph on August 4, 2011

    NAME ONE.

    Please let us know which one of the hundred or so employees of the police department have spoken.

    ZERO

    The entire force, including the clerks, dispatchers and janitors should be SCREAMING for justice! Instead it’s just a couple of bloggers and TEN THOUSAND citizens.

    NOT ONE COP HAS COME FORWARD!

    SHAME ON THE FPOA! Thats why they call them PIGS!

  349. #349 by help??? on August 4, 2011

    @ms. silva, u must be kidding, after all this, u want a sock donation???????

    since you care so much and your a mother, why don’t you donate some of your paycheck, which well exceeds 100k a year to help open a home less shelter. U had enough pull to hire sellers who came in and cut pay, u are very well aware what went down early in this situation and u did NOTHING, until the citzens stepped in. now all the sudden you care for the homless and go out and interview them…blah blah blah……why don’t u demand that fpd offer to settle by means of a homeless shelter to really help these folks…… donate socks,,,,,wow, what rock are living under???? thats and insult…socks……..

  350. #350 by Joey4justice on August 4, 2011

    help??? I agree I think it’s important to focus our outrage at the proper sources and make intelligent moves to not waste this opportunity for a tragedy to make an important change. I also agree that it’s extremely frustrating for that overpaid government clown to just donate some socks when she is taking so much from the taxpayers.

  351. #351 by Anonymous on August 4, 2011

    Silva doesnt give a crap. Shes just trying to gain brownie points.

  352. #352 by Anonymous on August 4, 2011

    U ALL NEED TO GET A LIFE!!!!

  353. #353 by fullertonres on August 5, 2011

    I’ll stretch your asshole anon.

  354. #354 by Jmal on August 4, 2011

    That stupid D.A said she can’t release the tape because they have to interview all the witnesses and get there statements because she didn’t want there statement s to get tainted. What the hell the officers were allowed to do just that and keep rewriting there report.

  355. #355 by Anonymous on August 4, 2011

    They have the entire crime on tape but they’re holding out for witnesses statements?

    BULLSHIT!

    They’re destroying evidence. Hopefully someone saved another copy before the DA got their filthy hands on it.

  356. #356 by nipsey on August 5, 2011

    I assume the FBI has demanded a copy to carry out their investigation. Once they’ve got it, it will be safe from these small time crooks.

  357. #357 by Jmal on August 4, 2011

    D.A won’t release tape because they want to interview all witnesses they say there accounts will be tainted. Yet the officers were allowed to do just that and rewrite there reports over and over. Wow!!!!!!

  358. #358 by Mark on August 4, 2011

    help??? #263

    Every single cop in FPD is suspect until those names come out and are verified NO love for FPD NOT NOW we got 6 murders living amongst us

  359. #359 by Jmal on August 4, 2011

    D.A won’t release tape because they want to interview all witnesses they say there accounts will be tainted. Yet the officers were allowed to and rewrite there reports

  360. #360 by corrupt on August 4, 2011

    UMMMM the feds are involved … Mr. Union Mouthpiece will not get them off.. the feds are getting good at this stuff.. Henry Glover, Danziger Bridge, Seattle PD, Denver PD… Fullerton is bush league for the Feds now… even Rodney Kings azzholes got locked up on Federal Civil Rights Charges….. keep dreaming Cicinelli, you are the azzhat putting your faith in a lawyer who had the D.A. on his side… Tony “the illegal gun” Rastupiduss cannot do a thing against the feds…. kiss it goodbye one eyed fat boy…. Cop a plea, and turn in your buddies NOW or face 23 hours a day in soliatary (so you dont get killed) ….. I will be drinking a beer watching you get led away in chains on T.V.

  361. #361 by ANONYMOUS on August 4, 2011

    WELL RUMOR IS RIGHT OFFICER RAMOS WAS INVOLVED. I BET HIS DAD WHO IS A EX FULLERTON COP IS REAL PROUD OF HIM.

  362. #362 by john doe on August 4, 2011

    You bet he is!!

  363. #363 by merijoe on August 4, 2011

    Help???, I hope you are correct-I pray its true that info is being given to the investigators by some FPD however, why did it take soooo long before this was done? and would this “info” have been told to the “proper people” if this case hadnt have gone as big in the media as it has? makes me wonder. And why so secretive now? if info has already been given to these “proper people” why not share with the rest of us?

  364. #364 by Jayne on August 4, 2011

    I have resided in Fullerton for almost 40 years. I am not terrified of the FPD, because of the actions of others. The comments on this forum are crude and ludicrous. Don’t bother replying to my comment as I will not be back for this garbage.

  365. #365 by george hernandez on August 4, 2011

    the police r not blame , it us who blindly believe them when they testify of even when we know they are lying we choose to go along w/ them b/c the guy sitting in the defendents chair looks bad and the cops said he did something wrong . judges whon routinely ruile on the side of the cop even when its obvious . you know when a cop is lying ? hips lips are moving

  366. #366 by Mark on August 4, 2011

    Jayne :I have resided in Fullerton for almost 40 years. I am not terrified of the FPD, because of the actions of others. The comments on this forum are crude and ludicrous. Don’t bother replying to my comment as I will not be back for this garbage.

    You will be back if you care about this city

  367. #367 by Jmal on August 4, 2011

    I can’t wait to see them in court in handcuffs and the sad looks on there faces. Lmao

  368. #368 by John b. on August 4, 2011

    This was a classic cop beat down…but with the advantage of a camera and. Watch commander who could pass the coded message on to everyone on patrol to get a piece of kelly…there wer mo burglary, no real whine call. It will all come out…the defense attorney will be running for the hills.

  369. #369 by Anonymous on August 4, 2011

    Just wait, all will be exonerated because of the pcp Kelly was on.

  370. #370 by Fullerton on August 4, 2011

    Justice for Kelly Thomas. We need to uphold justice before further destruction.

    White House: http://www.whitehouse.gov/
    U.S Dept. of Justice: http://www.justice.gov/
    CA Governor Ed Brown: http://gov.ca.gov/

  371. #371 by really??? on August 4, 2011

    @richard seph…. how do u think the information got on this site? IT WAS A COP……and i can guarantee it was more than 1…..

    @280, how do u figure that every cop is a suspect…. 187 sworn officers, 8-12 on a shift….. the majority of the officers were not even there……so how could you possibly think all cops are suspects? and as i addressed richard above, who do u think is providing info??? sellers, silva, mayor, mckinley, council people……use ur brain if u have one, and think about where the info is coming from…..and fyi, there is proof of who was where went this incident took place.

  372. #372 by really??? on August 5, 2011

    @merijoe, i assure i am correct and there was no time delay in getting info to the proper people. most of the department was not on shift when this took place, as u heard on kfi informant, this person heard talk about it in the male locker room days after it took place. this person provided the info as soon as possible to the appropriate people. as for others that have stepped up, as u have read from what travis said, the information was given thru numerous ways as he advised in the “who was there fpd 6”.
    so unfortunatley most fpd officers were not made aware of anything until they arrived at work for their shift. officers work 3-12 1/2 hour shifts. that means there are 4 days off between the work week. so many people knew nothing about this for at least 4 days, then u hear rumors and falsified statements….. so it does take some time for things to surface. i am not sure what info u would like shared with the “rest of us” . the secrets that are being held are far up the food chain. sellers and his higher ups rarely are ever involved with the front line staff. the tapes have not been open for viewing to any members of fpd staff. i do hear that some have seen it, but as things spun out of control, they were sealed. and that would be an issue to take to command staff.

    i do hope that u and many other members of the public will look at this with some clarity, there are some good people at the department and many people have stepped and that is how all the information u have read as got here in the first place. but it is unfair & somewhat frightening that people want to make statements about killing officers, beating, rioting…which as i see it, more innocent people could get hurt .. and really it was extreme violence that created this whole issue anyway… what this should be about is justice for kelly and any others who have suffered unjustly. and doing some cleaning house.

    no matter where u work there is always going to be some bad. when u mentioned about praying, leads me to believe that u have belief in God as do i, but who would have thought, scandals in the church, rape of children… i am not saying this to take away from this issue but it very sad to think that there is some bad in every entity, churches, business, military, politics and police. so whether we like it or not its there.
    so hopefully this will lead to a major house cleaning at fpd and all other pd’s for that matter… i do hope this clears up some questions u may have had…

  373. #373 by merijoe on August 5, 2011

    really??? thanks for the info-very interesting- can you fill me into why most of these officers were left to carry on their street jobs as usual for quite some time and even now are on paid leave? anyone else who was even accused of this sort of thing would be hunted down asap and either thrown in jail or seen by a judge by now-not given a pass or paid leave?

  374. #374 by really??? on August 5, 2011

    @john b.. fyi all fpd phone lines are recorded, so i would hope that fpd produces those tapes…the green radio chanel that goes from car to car is monitored by dispatch & recorded, so i hope those tapes will also be produced. and last the officers wear a DAR which records the contact….. so if staff gave those types of orders that u r suggesting, then those people should also be investigated… and if the tapes ALL dissappear then all the high ups that have access to the tapes should be pulled down as well, the pd staff at the bottom inc officers does not have access to this stuff

  375. #375 by Take A look at Pat on August 5, 2011

    have we talked about any possible dash cams?? do they have dash cams?

  376. #376 by Water Bottle on August 5, 2011

    discarted :
    So it’s not alleged — thanks for the info.
    The guilty lawyer up, not the innocent.
    So I suspect your pal is the first one to make a deal, rats out his buddies, and gets a lighter sentence.

    That’s how the innocent get convicted for crimes they didn’t do, they spoke to the cops without a lawyer, which is a insanely stupid thing to do. The cops know it’s the best idea not to talk, but to lawyer up, and that’s what they’ve done. You never gain anything by talking to the cops without a lawyer, never.

  377. #377 by Assault Victim on August 5, 2011

    Talk about cover-ups: Blatney has been known to cover up crimes to benefit his career and to protect his higer ranking friends only to be rewarded with a change in position at the FPD.

  378. #378 by K I H on August 5, 2011

    It’s so disturbing to see how the “public” almost “don’t care”. Many places in the world there wolud be riots, and maybe snipers out to turn off the lights to random police util they all had been jailed lifetime or put to death..

    Seems like you all beeing trained to accept this abuse.

  379. #379 by mmm on August 5, 2011

    “those who lie to control serve no purpose to their existence therefore only the vortex of unhappiness fills their every waking move” They are the living dead.

  380. #380 by Outraged on August 5, 2011

    What a profound statement. How did you come up with it?

  381. #381 by charles polly on August 5, 2011

    everyone of they officers should be tried for at least manslaughter. police now a days think there above the law. i think a clear message should be sent to police all across america. this will not be tolerated!!!! everyone of the officers involved should also be terminated and should never agian be able to hold a job in law enforcement.

  382. #382 by discarted on August 5, 2011

    Underlying that problem is the fact that our “justice” system (judges, prosecutors, DAs, law enforcement, etc.) fosters this kind of behavior by allowing criminal cops to get away with their crimes.

    However, it’s time to change this environment of lawlessness within law enforcement by instituting enhancement charges for police officers who are guilty of committing crimes and violating people’s civil rights.

    We also need to stop allowing law enforcement agencies to investigate/police themselves (this includes the DAs that they’re in bed with) because it is obvious the system does not work.

    Either local, state, or federal watchdog agencies that are independent of law enforcement should be investigating complaints against police…not their buddies.

  383. #383 by merijoe on August 5, 2011

    hey, animal 6- you all need to stop resisting arrest

  384. #384 by merijoe on August 5, 2011

    public lynching? the only “lynching” that was done was by the 6 FPD animals and can be seen on video

  385. #385 by somersetsomernot on August 5, 2011

    What about the so called suicide hanging Apr 15, 2011 – Fullerton Police found Dean Francis Gochenour, 52 hanging in the FPD jail cell ? Is this one of those swept under the rug deals aswell……

  386. #386 by Mark on August 5, 2011

    really??? :@richard seph…. how do u think the information got on this site? IT WAS A COP……and i can guarantee it was more than 1…..
    @280, how do u figure that every cop is a suspect…. 187 sworn officers, 8-12 on a shift….. the majority of the officers were not even there……so how could you possibly think all cops are suspects? and as i addressed richard above, who do u think is providing info??? sellers, silva, mayor, mckinley, council people……use ur brain if u have one, and think about where the info is coming from…..and fyi, there is proof of who was where went this incident took place.

    really??? I thought you were brighter than that…I said until these cops are named then ALL cops are suspect we don’t know who was working what day, what shift…..the deck is stacked cops have a badge, a gun, a taser, a stick, a flash light, a playbook, a green light to abuse, they have the DA office, the union, the courts, the city counsel, like i said this system is broken all cops are dirty just some get caught

  387. #387 by Mark on August 5, 2011

    Rumor has it…. top 5 DVD rentals FPD

    1. Training Day
    2. Street Kings
    3. The Departed
    4. Copland
    5. LA Confidential

  388. #388 by Ex-cop now Soldier Mike on August 5, 2011

    I remember when I was rookie deputy. Like a lot of Sheriffs departments, everyone in ours started in the jail. You worked your way out on the street. The average time was two years.
    Being a jail deputy (particularly in a major urban area) is not a sought after job. For young guys dying to get out on the street it was torture. But the only way through it was through it, so we worked our asses off and waited our turn.
    But it is a great place to see and hear everything. Since the day I got out on patrol to this day wit Afghanistan behind me, I have seen nothing truly shocking since my jail time. It was truly the best training experience of my life.
    But the lesson I learned that was most transformative didn’t come to fruition until years later.
    We heard it over and over – ‘Poh-leese broootality!!!” “Got – Damn crooked cops stole mah munny!!” “Ya’ll be sellin’ that dope you confuhskate!!” “Cops iz da biggest gang in town!!!” “Cops set up my cousin and killed his ass!!!” “So and so wasn’t doing nothing and tey beat his ass!!”
    And like everybody else we called it all bullshit. Of course they are gonna say the cops took their money and their dope and kept it/sold it. Thats what THEY would do, so its just projection. They can’t imagine somebody living an honest life. Not knowing how to live pieces of shit is what they are. Sell it to the public defender and get in the cell, scumbag.
    Eventually the blessed day came. I got out and spent years on the street, and I always marvelled at the phenomenon -it never gets old to scumbags. The same accusations, the same stories of crooked cops wantonly beating people, stealing their dope and money, maneuvering big players against each other for money and business advantage. Its all such obvious, self justifying bullshit, but it never gets old. Do THEY even believe it?
    I knew on 9-11 I was going back in the Army. I didn’t want to, and ignored the truth for a couple of years. But years were rolling by, and finally the day came I knew it was now or never, and I couldnt stop thinking about it. So I went back in and have been there ever since.
    My closest friend stayed and is one hell of a shit hot detective now. Best cop, best man, best human being I know. We still talk frequently.
    When it all went down and he told me the story, it really helped complete an awakening that had begun soon after I left the department.
    Over 50 federal charges on at least 10 officers. Not rookies either. And not low profile – names that were spoken with reverence in cop circles. Some of them people we only knew as names – they were that big – normal slicksleeves never even saw these guys.
    It seems that for the last two decades these high profile detectives and narcotics cops along with uniform patrolmen (one of whom I remembered from the academy) had been stealingdope, extorting drug money, and playing dealers off against one another, among other various and sundry charges. They were implicated in murders by omission, and were responsible for trafficking incredible amounts of coke and weed into the region.
    Everybody in police work knows there is no honor among thieves, and it is no different when those thieves are cops. Everybody was rolling on everybody in the hope they would get out of prison someday, but even the people getting deals weren’t getting much better than a looooooong time. Reading between the lines, it looked as though everybody small had already got the juicy deals and rolled it up to these big players before the grand juries even convened. The prosecutors weren’t in a dealing mood anymore – they didn’t have to be.
    When he told me the story, especially the names I was stunned. I said to him, “brother, do you remember when w were young, wet behind the ears young deputies dying for our chance to go out and do battle with evil, all those scumbags telling us stories about corruption and violence and we told them how full of shit they were? How does it make you feel to know we were the ones full of shit?”
    He said, “it makes me feel like watching them go to prison forever. Which, fortunately, is exactly where they are going.”
    Now I sit here reading comments from serving police officers about how this poor miserable guy getting beaten to death by six cops is not worth all this outrage because he was just some homeless pos that was no good to anybody anyway and these guys are really heroes for their service and all you crybabies making such a big deal out of this should just go away. Oh, and don’t call us when you need help – if you are gonna get all bent out of shape when we beat some defenseless loser to death well fuck you and fuck our oaths.
    Good cops should be calling that bullshit out. Not lecturing the rest of us about “patience” and “putting ourselves in those cops shoes” when their brother officers are making posts on this site announcing to the world that they believe they have the right to decide who deserves to live – that they have the right to decide who has rights worth respecting.
    I only had to say it once to my guys in Afghanistan – respecting the civilian population, any of whom could have been (and some of whom certainly were) Taliban that were killing and maiming us with ied’s and shooting at us regularly – “you don’t have to like these people. I don’t like these people. But unless they are bringing war to us or we can see they are about to, you will NOT abuse them. That is the best recruiting tool the Taliban could ask for.”
    That made sense to 18 year olds under enormous pressure, who were seeing their buddies killed and maimed at least weekly. You are grown police officers, in your own country, dealing with your own neighbors.
    Maybe they should start issuing moral compasses. FOP could make it a contract issue.

  389. #389 by Mark on August 5, 2011

    Ex-cop now Soldier Mike :I remember when I was rookie deputy. Like a lot of Sheriffs departments, everyone in ours started in the jail. You worked your way out on the street. The average time was two years.Being a jail deputy (particularly in a major urban area) is not a sought after job. For young guys dying to get out on the street it was torture. But the only way through it was through it, so we worked our asses off and waited our turn.But it is a great place to see and hear everything. Since the day I got out on patrol to this day wit Afghanistan behind me, I have seen nothing truly shocking since my jail time. It was truly the best training experience of my life.But the lesson I learned that was most transformative didn’t come to fruition until years later.We heard it over and over – ‘Poh-leese broootality!!!” “Got – Damn crooked cops stole mah munny!!” “Ya’ll be sellin’ that dope you confuhskate!!” “Cops iz da biggest gang in town!!!” “Cops set up my cousin and killed his ass!!!” “So and so wasn’t doing nothing and tey beat his ass!!”And like everybody else we called it all bullshit. Of course they are gonna say the cops took their money and their dope and kept it/sold it. Thats what THEY would do, so its just projection. They can’t imagine somebody living an honest life. Not knowing how to live pieces of shit is what they are. Sell it to the public defender and get in the cell, scumbag.Eventually the blessed day came. I got out and spent years on the street, and I always marvelled at the phenomenon -it never gets old to scumbags. The same accusations, the same stories of crooked cops wantonly beating people, stealing their dope and money, maneuvering big players against each other for money and business advantage. Its all such obvious, self justifying bullshit, but it never gets old. Do THEY even believe it?I knew on 9-11 I was going back in the Army. I didn’t want to, and ignored the truth for a couple of years. But years were rolling by, and finally the day came I knew it was now or never, and I couldnt stop thinking about it. So I went back in and have been there ever since.My closest friend stayed and is one hell of a shit hot detective now. Best cop, best man, best human being I know. We still talk frequently.When it all went down and he told me the story, it really helped complete an awakening that had begun soon after I left the department.Over 50 federal charges on at least 10 officers. Not rookies either. And not low profile – names that were spoken with reverence in cop circles. Some of them people we only knew as names – they were that big – normal slicksleeves never even saw these guys.It seems that for the last two decades these high profile detectives and narcotics cops along with uniform patrolmen (one of whom I remembered from the academy) had been stealingdope, extorting drug money, and playing dealers off against one another, among other various and sundry charges. They were implicated in murders by omission, and were responsible for trafficking incredible amounts of coke and weed into the region.Everybody in police work knows there is no honor among thieves, and it is no different when those thieves are cops. Everybody was rolling on everybody in the hope they would get out of prison someday, but even the people getting deals weren’t getting much better than a looooooong time. Reading between the lines, it looked as though everybody small had already got the juicy deals and rolled it up to these big players before the grand juries even convened. The prosecutors weren’t in a dealing mood anymore – they didn’t have to be.When he told me the story, especially the names I was stunned. I said to him, “brother, do you remember when w were young, wet behind the ears young deputies dying for our chance to go out and do battle with evil, all those scumbags telling us stories about corruption and violence and we told them how full of shit they were? How does it make you feel to know we were the ones full of shit?”He said, “it makes me feel like watching them go to prison forever. Which, fortunately, is exactly where they are going.”Now I sit here reading comments from serving police officers about how this poor miserable guy getting beaten to death by six cops is not worth all this outrage because he was just some homeless pos that was no good to anybody anyway and these guys are really heroes for their service and all you crybabies making such a big deal out of this should just go away. Oh, and don’t call us when you need help – if you are gonna get all bent out of shape when we beat some defenseless loser to death well fuck you and fuck our oaths.Good cops should be calling that bullshit out. Not lecturing the rest of us about “patience” and “putting ourselves in those cops shoes” when their brother officers are making posts on this site announcing to the world that they believe they have the right to decide who deserves to live – that they have the right to decide who has rights worth respecting.I only had to say it once to my guys in Afghanistan – respecting the civilian population, any of whom could have been (and some of whom certainly were) Taliban that were killing and maiming us with ied’s and shooting at us regularly – “you don’t have to like these people. I don’t like these people. But unless they are bringing war to us or we can see they are about to, you will NOT abuse them. That is the best recruiting tool the Taliban could ask for.”That made sense to 18 year olds under enormous pressure, who were seeing their buddies killed and maimed at least weekly. You are grown police officers, in your own country, dealing with your own neighbors.Maybe they should start issuing moral compasses. FOP could make it a contract issue.

    Hey ex didn’t you post this yesterday this is old news

  390. #390 by Ex-cop now Soldier Mike on August 5, 2011

    No man. Just wrote it this morning.

  391. #391 by Ex-cop now Soldier Mike on August 5, 2011

    No, come to think of it you are right. I just reposted it in some other appropriate areas this am. My bad.

  392. #392 by merijoe on August 5, 2011

    just hearda snippet from an Ex-Cop from oklahoma on radio referring to Cincinelli, in a slow sothern drawl- “just wish I could have 10 minutes alone with that big boy” whoops and snap. he sounded like he dont need a tazer to whip ass- now thats the kind of cops i would feel safe with

  393. #393 by Corrupt on August 5, 2011

    Chumpanelli donated $35 to a union that is going to spend millions defending him…… seems he got a deal. He needs to take up a collection for his canteen money, he is going to need chips and cookies and a little clear T.V. where he is going.

  394. #394 by juanrod on August 5, 2011

    In the post titled: Quirk-Silva’s Open Letter To Fullerton Residents

    Note the following: “…We need to wait for final reports from the D.A. and the FBI before we can make a final judgment on the officers involved (and for their own safety, I don’t feel it is advisable for their names to be released publicly at this time)….”

    This entry was posted on August 4, 2011, 6:40 PM…

    ________________________________________
    In the post titled: Who Was There? The FPD Six
    Note the following: “…According to our sources:
    Officer Jay Cicinelli was there
    Officer Kenton Hampton was there
    Officer Manny Ramos was there
    Officer Joe Wolfe was there
    Officer James Blatney was there”
    This entry was posted on August 4, 2011, 9:52 AM…
    ________________________________________
    Am I missing something or did you change your mind in 9 hours and forget to update your website??? Do you really care about the citizens of Fullerton??? Do you really care about the police force of Fullerton??? Or are you like “Doc Hee Haw” and a country bumpkin who is in over their head as well???

  395. #395 by anon on August 5, 2011

    police work isnt always pretty….

  396. #396 by George on August 5, 2011

    Can someone give out the police department phone number on here? I don’t want to call the wrong “Fullerton, CA” I don’t know how many there are in Cali.

    I cry tears every time I read this story. I want to give them a piece of my G*d D*mn Mind!

  397. #397 by really??? on August 5, 2011

    @323, no dash cams in the cars…

  398. #398 by really??? on August 5, 2011

    @333, the cops have been identified and all named but 1. so to make the statement they are are dirty is simply stereotyping and passing judgement on those who do not deserve it. as i said, how do u think that travis was able to name the officers? the info was not given by city officials….. so we know there are some honest cops that have given info…… so are those cops also guilty? and if u believe they are guilty, what are they guilty of?????? they have stepped up & came forward to briung justice…

  399. #399 by ThankGodWhite on August 5, 2011

    Could you imagine if the victim was Mexican or Black? Jesus. There would be riots and the state would be a mess. Thank God he was white. Amazing how it’s all ok to the idiot racist preachers when he’s white.

    You think cops are bad now? I don’t. Have respect, don’t run, and treat them like you would your parents and they will treat you the same. Treat them like crap and you will be treated the same.

    Just wait 10 years. Garbage man pay now and terrible retirement and benefits for future cops. You will get what you pay for. Gang members as cops, thiefs, etc. It will get very bad.

  400. #400 by Fred Alcazar on August 5, 2011

    “You will get what you pay for”

    How do you figure that? We haven’t so far.

  401. #401 by Fred Alcazar on August 5, 2011

    “Gang members as cops, thiefs, etc. It will get very bad.”

    Too late. We’re already there. Theft, fraud, sexual assault, murder.

  402. #402 by ThankGodWhite on August 5, 2011

    Instead of 1% of forces with bad apples it will be at least 25%. Finding the bad apples will be tough.

  403. #403 by Fred Alcazar on August 5, 2011

    1%? You’re joking right? Do you know how many FPD are currently on adminstrative leave, in jail, or are being accused of theft and sexual battery and kidknaping? Do you know how many are Brady cops? Or how many have DUIs, are bankrupt, are dodging their child support payments?

    Try 25%!!!!

  404. #404 by OneeyedNut on August 5, 2011

    No not joking. I’ll wager any amount you want. 1%. Not 25%. You want it to be 25%. Ur smokin crack.

  405. #405 by Cicinellitron on August 5, 2011

    They’re all rotten when they cover for each other.
    100%

  406. #406 by Fred Alcazar on August 5, 2011

    P.S. Finding the good apples is tough.

  407. #407 by Cicinellitron on August 5, 2011

    Yeah that’ll solve the problem, giving the pigs more money when most of them already make 6-figures a year. Get fucked.

  408. #408 by CH123 on August 5, 2011

    @349 “Uneducated” and “liberal” are mutually exclusive.

  409. #409 by CH123 on August 5, 2011

    @352 “Uneducated” and “liberal thinker” are mutually exclusive.

  410. #410 by Corrupt on August 5, 2011

    http://news.yahoo.com/jury-convicts-5-officers-post-katrina-shootings-170238375.html

    Your next “Fullerton 6” read the part about those that covered it up getting convicted…. better start making deals cause the feds are gonna send you to prison…. chasing down and killing unarmed people… sounds familiar.

  411. #411 by Corrupt on August 5, 2011

  412. #412 by Corrupt on August 5, 2011

    http://news.yahoo.com/jury-convicts-5-officers-post-katrina-shootings-170238375.html

    Your next “Fullerton 6” and your buddies covering it up are going down too.

  413. #413 by Corrupt on August 5, 2011

    http://news.yahoo.com/jury-convicts-5-officers-post-katrina-shootings-170238375.html

    Can we say the “6” are going to prison along with those that covered it up.

  414. #414 by Outraged on August 5, 2011

    Please tell me which video shows the officers piled on top of him. I would like to see it for myself.

  415. #415 by LeRoy Murray on August 5, 2011

    Don’t worry it’s coming, unless it’s “accedentally” deleted of course.

  416. #416 by dakat on August 5, 2011

    I think cops need to be held responsible for killing people despite the fact that they aren’t capable of handling the mentally ill. What’s their purpose if not to protect and serve? These cops are armed thugs as proven on video, further demonstrating nothing but hostility toward bystanders who witnessed the beating death of a defenseless, medically ill man. I’m outraged and disgusted by the lack of a basic social and mental health support in this country, and by a police force that obviously has nothing but disdain for its citizens.

  417. #417 by Attorney General Eric Holder on August 5, 2011

    What’s that you say ? An outrage in Fullerton? Don’t you know I’m busy prosecuting Arizona?

  418. #418 by Cicinellitron on August 5, 2011

    Cicinelli’s info needs to be archived and public before he pulls it down.

  419. #419 by #370 on August 5, 2011

    OneeyedNut: If you’re on your porch, the rest of Fullerton is safe. Stay there loser … and watch half your yard. (Cause you can’t watch the other half … where the rest of us can go take a shit on … You P.O.S.)

  420. #420 by Kevin on August 5, 2011

    If you got a citation from any of these six you should take it to court! The officer must appear, and the chances of that seem slim to none.

  421. #421 by STAND UP on August 5, 2011

    PORCH MONKEY,
    Your racial slurs are typical of your tribe.
    Earlier posts you go on about rants of white people.
    Now Porch Monkey
    You need some diversity training

  422. #422 by I'm Not Dangerous on August 5, 2011

    Hey guys. I am somebody who has the same diagnosis this guy had, and I am very concerned because the heath care changes state we are all violent angry manipulative dangerous and should not be trusted. Seeded (yes by gov for many years you can see a transparent order) fears about what to do if somebody is displaying signs of a mental breakdown.

    Its a fear campaign built on an existing steriotype (Norman Bates?) believed by others. The real education is missing at the level of our healthcare changes.

    The real education is found in training already admitted ‘in dealing with the mentally ill and homeless’. These officers had this training, and they ACTUALLY USED THIS MANS DISEASE AGAINST HIM KNOWING ITS THE OPPOSITE WAY TO DEAL WITH HIM AND HE WOULD RUN.

    This has been softened up every day constantly over and over for a month and its still brutal. There is no law to protect our lives, no healthcare now even advocates the patient – children and families (protection of), the new healthcare focuses on identifying issues in children, and PREVENTION.

    This is how we are prevented. This is how we are attacked, dressed up in our own nightmares that we live in every day and have to already contest with when a real officer approaches us. Its an attack on this mans life and also this mans illness that makes it cruel, and it ripples through all of us who are already afraid of police and stuff like this happening BY DEFINITION OF DISEASE. So when nobody sees it, its a delusion of ours or false idea? I hope not, its horrible to terrorize us for being different, dress up in our waking nightmares and worries we have to train ourselves aren’t real, and then do this. Nobody has learned anything since instituionalization people assume their fears and it satisfies their knowledge – except our civil servants who ARE educated and trained but… use that information against us?

    Where are our doctors and psychs all this time who tell us we have to be quiet and not let anyone know about our disease because of the stigma? I took the drugs and did the therapy for a decade and still do on and off and now when I have no vote and have been discredited in all things I say of police and government.

    Reiterate that somehow, it was important to mention the 500,000 contacts of whom in 4-5 years, ‘this is the only incident’ of 6 people.

    Its out of context, so why was it important to say – its a lie maybe?

    People blame homeless people for not getting help, well this IS the help this IS the training – use our delusions against us and laugh because its rewardable by paid vacation and vacation time – we are not and have not been asked about any new healthcare changes to how we are treated or best treat us. We have no voice, and we already knew the last words we could hear out on the streets are ‘stop resisting!’.

    Giving us an example of it shows us you are using our own mental illness against us by attacking us with two things we PRECISELY fear in a manner you know will make us want to run for our lives. I will continue to call and I will continue to beg for our lives as he begged for his WHILE HOG TIED AND KILLED AND THEY KEPT ATTACKING HIM WHILE HE WAS IN A COMA!

  423. #423 by scotty on August 5, 2011

    i once hired a monkey to take notes for me in class. i was just sitting there with my mind a complete blank while the monkey scribbled in my notebook. at the end of the week my teacher told me to write a paper using my notes. it read

    “hello! my name is Bingo, i like to climb on things! can i have a banana! eek!eek!”

    i got an ‘F’. when i told me mom about it she told me to never trust a monkey.
    the end

  424. #424 by scotty on August 5, 2011

    i once hired a monkey to take notes for me in class. i was just sitting there with my mind a complete blank while the monkey scribbled in my notebook. at the end of the week my teacher told me to write a paper using my notes. it read

    “hello! my name is Bingo, i like to climb on things! can i have a banana! eek!eek!”

    i got an ‘F’. when i told me mom about it she told me to never trust a monkey.
    the end

  425. #425 by scotty on August 5, 2011

    porch monkey is NOT racial! it’s a codeword for the quality of people that sit out on their front porch at noontime on a tuesday drinking beer and clipping coupons for dominos pizza and fatburger. porch monkey spends more on beer in one year than he ever has on education. porch monkey has a fat-assed housefrump for a wife but has a snaggle toothed meth whore for a mistress(fwb)who almost feels like cheryl tiegs except there is an odor of decaying teeth when she kisses ya

  426. #426 by Disappointed on August 5, 2011

    Hard to believe Wolfe was involved; he was the school cop @ SHHS & u couldn’t prey him from behind his desk!

  427. #427 by scotty on August 5, 2011

    i am from the northeast and the whole culture in southern california if it werent real would be downright silly. I AM NOT LEAVING! love the weather,the beaches,the DIVERSITY, eateries, business oppurtunities, and believe it or not, the cost of living. in all my years in new england people wo would use words like beaner,nigger,kike,spick,chink,or good were looked down upon. most of my clan and extended family would make sure to spread the word to prevent these peoples lives from being easy. it was just unheard of. i am not saying new englanders dont have prejudices that would an absurd statement. what i am speaking about is the general lack of respect shown by californians of all backgrounds.
    i have heard the word nigger thrown around among the working class and some of the white collar community here in orange county. i have heard law enforcement tell people ‘just keep fuc&ing walking’ or asking them ‘what the fu*k are you looking at’. i greet everyone i know and come across with a firm handshake and use my left hand to clasp either over both our hands or their forearm. in a city of 120,000 back in mass every cop i met walking a beat would stop and extend his arm and ask me how i was doing if i wasnt hurried looking. a good example of this would be the twenty or so cops i have stood in line with at starbucks in the last 4 years. out of the twenty i have gotten about five to talk about sports or the weather. out of those five i have introduced myself properly(first and last name,city and neighborhood i live in)and extended my hand. out of those 5 only one extended his hand and said i am officer so and so. the officer was vietnamese. what does that mean? i dunno but i dont like it.

    as far as my prodding of ‘white’ americans…they and some right-leaning americanized mexians are the only ones who have used the phrase “they Jewed me down”. i dont like it. i have spent my entire life listening to christian whites profile people. usually i will let someone run off at the mouth and then tell them they are talking to one. the look of shock is always the same and the apologies are always the same. for anyone that has experienced this we dont need to get into cliches. for you light skinned mexican people who just listened to some fat old codger rip mexicans you know what i am saying “oh, you dont look mexican”. or sound, or steal, or act, or blah blah blahdee blah.
    it’s about time i do some profiling of my own publicly. one cant even get through a tragedy like the murder of kelley thomas with some failure-in-life talking about Jews and the federal reserve. i mean wtf.

    standy!
    i am not implying you were the originator of the federal reserve and jews comment.

  428. #428 by STAND UP on August 5, 2011

    Dude did you forget to take your pill?
    Or are you just that stupid?
    Any how keep making excuses for your self.
    Make your mama proud.

  429. #429 by STAND UP on August 5, 2011

    Plus whats wrong if Jewish people run the fed?

  430. #430 by scotty on August 6, 2011

    “#402 by STAND UP on August 5, 2011

    Plus whats wrong if Jewish people run the fed?”

    nothing is wrong with it except maybe you could phrase it like this “plus whats wrong if the people who run the fed happen to be Jewish”

    the way you worded your post infers a conspiracy of which there is none. besides i was referencing that comment from another poster(you)who thought it a prudent post whilst we speak about the animals who beat kelley thomas to death

    no pills
    no drugs
    no alcohol
    no processed foods
    no pork
    just tonnes of coffee and the occasional camel
    you have no idea how proud my mum is of me.

    standy. i have never made excuses. please cite an example. my life is pretty good. do i have a whole bunch of taxable income? nope but i dont need it. life is good here in southern california. were the average person here in orange county not so slow in being hip to the skip i might be moving back to the northeast. i seriously doubt there is going to be an influx in critical thought anytime soon so guess what? i’m stayin.

    the only conspiracy on this board worth mentioning is the ritualistic beating and coverup of the kelley thomas incident

  431. #431 by JUSTWRONG on August 6, 2011

    Nicely spoken STAND UP … I don’t know or care if you are Jewish, race or money has nothing to do with what I thought we were here to discuss. Why are people attacking each? I can not keep up with these messages because a lot of the post do not say “who” the person is talking to or about. It just appears to be a messy place to argue and insult one another. Am I the only one that reads it this way? This is the U.S. of America and we have all races and colors in this country, this country was once just American Indians, now it is filled with all races, lets live together in peace.

  432. #432 by john doe on August 6, 2011

    Go back to the northeast and take your porch monkey with you. You are mental!!

  433. #433 by JUSTWRONG on August 5, 2011

    Wow … it is a good damn thing Thomas wasn’t black because L.A. would be on fire again. The cops beat the crap out of Rodney king and walked. Maybe, just maybe since Thomas is (wait) was white the pigs that beat him to death will go to prison. Money isn’t enough for what they did to him, those cops should get LIFE BEHIND BARS, and really anyone that says anything different is just heartless.

  434. #434 by JUSTWRONG on August 5, 2011

    I am White and I don’t give a crap about the color of someones skin. A beating or killing is wrong no matter the color of ones skin.

  435. #435 by CJ on August 5, 2011

    Rarely are cops prosecuted for committing crimes against people and when they are prosecuted, our jury systems seem to fail us even further. For example: The officers, Wind, Briseno, Koon and Powell in the Rodney King beating case were all found not guilty. In another example, Elio Carrion was shot 3 times by SAN BERNARDINO Deputy Ivory Webb while complying with his commands to get up. Deputy Webb was subsequently charged with attempted voluntary manslaughter and assault with a firearm in connection with the Jan. 29, 2006, shooting of Carrion. When the trial was over, he too was found not guilty.

    In both cases there was pretty clear video and in the Webb case, very clear audio. Jury’s don’t want to convict police officers even with clear evidence of a crime. Jury’s are comprised of individuals unable to make decisions in high profile cases and thus, criminals go free. So, even if these Fullerton officers involved are charged with a crime, don’t count on getting convictions for any of them.

    If the Fullerton Police Officers are charged with a crime, you can be rest assured that it won’t be a murder charge. If anything they will be charged with color of authority crimes and assault.

    From my (legal) perspective they should be charged with voluntary manslaughter as well as color of authority crimes. I have a feeling that the FBI will wait to file any federal charges until after the local trial is complete.

    I also want to say that Chief Sellers isn’t the only one whom needs to leave. Don’t forget that there is an entire command staff of Captains, lieutenants and Sergeants that need to be addressed and lets not stop there. A complete overhaul and retraining of the entire department may be warranted. Just because you cut off and replace the head of the snake, the body is still a snake. I think there needs to be a complete forensic investigation of the entire Police Department by the FBI.

    I will be in Fullerton on Sat and look forward to a large turn out in support of the Thomas family.

    Former Police Officer in support of reform.

  436. #436 by OneeyedNut on August 5, 2011

    Same attorney here as the Webb case. They will all get off.

  437. #437 by JUSTWRONG on August 5, 2011

    I don’t care if the FBI or anyone chases me down and contacts me for my post. You don’t have to be a professor or rocket scientist to see what the police did to Thomas, there is no justification for that beating. If this is a lynching so be it.

  438. #438 by CJ on August 5, 2011

    To Outraged!

    Place your anger where it belongs and join the Thomas family to protest this senseless crime. No one is promoting violence against these officers, but I don’t think that you will find any support for them here either. They are in this situation because of their actions not ours. You also need to educate yourself on a few things. The feds are looking towards Fullerton Police Department and not the senseless rantings of a FEW over emotional humans whom care only about the safety of the community as a whole…. What do you care about? Your own selfish needs of some officers that apparently are friends to you?

  439. #439 by OneeyedNut on August 5, 2011

    Protesting is for homos. Gee fun yell scream hold signs. Big deal. Get a life. He was a drug addict.

  440. #440 by LeRoy Murray on August 6, 2011

    I have a feeling even homos reject you.

  441. #441 by scotty on August 6, 2011

    dude the scary thing is i actually do think you might just be officer uni-ball. how can any allow a cop to write this crap:

    “Protesting is for homos. Gee fun yell scream hold signs. Big deal. Get a life. He was a drug addict”

    homos? what are you talking about? if you really are a cop or a’cop guy’ we are screwed. you are the reason people are losing faith in america. it’s people like yourself that cause the weaker humans to just give up. you sicken me

    hey everyone! oneeyednut just said all americans who excercise their rights to free speech and assembly are now homosexuals. question what about the people who are already gay? dothey suddenly turn straight when they hold a sign? that would be wierd. in that case uniball come on down and hold a sign, i want you to feel what i do when i look at natalie portman. you wouldnt want to beat ayone up ever again. that first exhale after seeing her will fill you with happy thoughts of cotton candy, puppy dogs,kittens, and all that is good with the world. learn to love again and you shall be free

  442. #442 by JUSTWRONG on August 5, 2011

    I hope any of you close enough to the site of the “public lynching”
    or support for Kelly Thomas on Saturday will be there. I live in Oregon and can not be there.
    I’m certain all of our post are easily accessible to the Government. I know someone that works for our government, his JOB is to hack into peoples computers, phone records and anything else the government needs or wants to know.
    Sooooo … if any of you are afraid of that “knock” on the door, flee now. :O)

  443. #443 by CJ on August 5, 2011

    OMG….. Lol Outraged is clearly an emotional twit

  444. #444 by vj on August 5, 2011

    IT IS REALLY TRAGIC WHEN YOU LOSE A SON PARTICULARLY IN A TRAGIC SITUATION LIKE THIS. I LOST A SON SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND IT IS STILL DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH. I DO THINK HOWEVER THAT MR. THOMAS IS MAYBE COVERING UP SOME OF HIS OWN GUILT IN NOT HELPING HIS SON EARLIER AND IS STRIKING OUT TO SOOTH HIS OWN GUILT. IS THIS SO MR. THOMAS. IF YOU ARE MAN ENOUGH, YOU WILL COME CLEAN AND NOT DESROY OTHER PEOPLES LIVES.

  445. #445 by LeRoy Murray on August 6, 2011

    Not destroy whose lives the murderers, the incompetent, greedy politicians? Whose?

  446. #446 by vj on August 5, 2011

    IT IS REALLY TRAGIC WHEN YOU LOSE A SON PARTICULARLY IN A TRAGIC SITUATION LIKE THIS. I LOST A SON SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND IT IS STILL DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH. I DO THINK HOWEVER THAT MR. THOMAS IS MAYBE COVERING UP SOME OF HIS OWN GUILT IN NOT HELPING HIS SON EARLIER AND IS STRIKING OUT TO SOOTH HIS OWN GUILT. IS THIS SO MR. THOMAS. IF YOU ARE MAN ENOUGH, YOU WILL COME CLEAN AND NOT DESROY OTHER PEOPLES LIVES.

  447. #447 by oh really on August 6, 2011

    @vj………oh my you are simple, aren’t you??

  448. #448 by CJ on August 5, 2011

    OMG….. Lol Outraged is clearly an emotional twit…..

  449. #449 by CJ on August 5, 2011

    http://policecrimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=617&start=0

    Here is an interesting story on another one of Law Enforcements finest….

  450. #450 by LeRoy Murray on August 6, 2011

    Why are they so sure that everybody “may” be going for a weapon. Practically nobody carries a weapon, but that seems to be the one fear that killer cops fall back on. Nobody I know carries one or even wants to. These bcops definely need a biannual psych eval, and get rid of the scared ones.

  451. #451 by JUSTWRONG on August 5, 2011

    VJ
    You may be right about a splash of guilt because Mr. Thomas wasn’t there for his son. Regardless, “HIS SON WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED.” Kelly Thomas was an adult, no parent can control what happens to their child (no matter the age) all the time.
    I have two grown children and at times they are difficult but, no parent ever completely bails on their child. You can see the pain in the fathers face.

  452. #452 by STAND UP on August 5, 2011

    Hey
    Don’t make fun of Scotty
    He will pull the anti Semite card on you
    And call his tribe on you

  453. #453 by Sheeny pick up a penny on August 5, 2011

    hey leave scotty alone he’s only got a 3rd grade learning.

  454. #454 by airhead cop above on August 5, 2011

    your IP was traced asshole, go back to the pen!

  455. #455 by OneeyedNut on August 5, 2011

    Free speech. Lick it.

  456. #456 by airhead cop above on August 5, 2011

    hey ONEEYED NUT, guess what, you’re fired! And, watch for us, we’ll all be on your porch in a few :) OXOX

  457. #457 by OneeyedNut on August 5, 2011

    Waiting I got nothing to lose. Notch on belt.

  458. #458 by airhead cop above on August 5, 2011

    Hard to believe BLATNEY was involved, he beat the shit out of CHRIS DUNAWAY at FHS, wow, his wife must be proud now.

  459. #459 by nutural on August 5, 2011

    Airhead you are a fool. I have known Jim my entire life and he is a stand up guy. Jim is a great dedicated cop and everyone will see that soon. You are pathetic having too dig back to a couple punch fight with Dunaway..Chris is a tough guy and no Angel, plus he got his licks in too.

    I think this situation is horrible and in no way condoning it, I’m just saying Officer Blatney was not involved until the aftermath, when you know someone you know someone and he is a good man.

  460. #460 by airhead cop above on August 5, 2011

    Now we know where you live dumbass that’s why your IP was treaced LMFAO! You think you’re safe….think again…….:D luv ya bay
    free speech yersef when ya get fucked in the ass, get that vasalene ready wooooyeahhhhhhhhhhh

  461. #461 by scotty on August 5, 2011

    oh no not another joke about me and pennies. not too original but just within your scope. good job!

    why dont we stay on topic and that is the beating death of kelley thomas. i have seen many reasons people have given for his death and the ones that bother me the most are accusations he was on drugs. it doesnt matter to me whether he was or not. i have read that his death is meaningless because he was homeless. i have heard accusations that his parents didnt care about him so why should we. i dont even care if he had parents, he had rights. every blow he recieved was the police telling you comply or suffer the same fate. that is terrorism by its very definition. i love my country and am ashamed

  462. #462 by SickandDisgusted on August 5, 2011

    The NAZI party started out just like this, with thug “Brownshirts” taking out social misfits (of their own definition, also political enemies), right in the streets. “Good” Germans approved or looked the other way. You are looking at history, repeating itself. And, it is not only Kelly’s problem, that he cannot see his own sickness. Police cannot see that they have become monsters, a danger to a free society. Tragic, indeed, that the grandkids to a generation which freed Europe from the threat of fascism is now ravaging their own nation and citizens.

  463. #463 by K I H on August 5, 2011

    SickandDisgusted :
    The NAZI party started out just like this, with thug “Brownshirts” taking out social misfits (of their own definition, also political enemies), right in the streets. “Good” Germans approved or looked the other way. You are looking at history, repeating itself. And, it is not only Kelly’s problem, that he cannot see his own sickness. Police cannot see that they have become monsters, a danger to a free society. Tragic, indeed, that the grandkids to a generation which freed Europe from the threat of fascism is now ravaging their own nation and citizens.

    That is so true!
    Ant one thing more.. This was on camera, think about all the cases “hidden”..
    This is NOT the first time those goons had their way with a “suspect”..

  464. #464 by SickandDisgusted on August 5, 2011

    Watch the old movie, “Cabaret”, starring Liza Minelli. You can see actual photos of the Brownshirts, posing with the bodies of their murdered victims in the street. Just like this guy Cicinelli was allegedly bragging at HQ, afterwards.
    The work “NAZI” is actually an acronym, standing for “national workers’ socialist party”. “Fascist” is also descriptive of what pre WW2 Germany became, but they were first and foremost socialists.
    There’s really no excuse for anyone to be ignorant of history, with the internet. All of the history can be researched. Human nature has not changed. It is entirely possible for the USA to become an oppressive police state.
    I see a decided and disturbing trend for police to plunder and loot ordinary citizens for the most trivial of reasons. Actually, other agencies do most of the looting. The police just act as Judas goats. They are the gatekeepers to the criminal justice system, and EVERYTHING is now heavily regulated and non-compliance is a crime. Everyone is vulnerable and stands to lose everything, even those who see themselves as “law abiding”. I cannot imagine why anyone would think they could long profit in a system in which there are no efffective property ownership protections. Without protection, property becomes almost worthless, and there is no reason to try to build a future or save or work. Then we should really all just be criminals, because we will live like animlas, only for the day, only for survival.
    Again, it is tragic that this generation has not been trained in the schools to understand the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They have been trained as socialists, and are being used. They may think that they are doing the right thing, but they are tearing down something rare and precious, and paid for with the blood of patriots.

  465. #465 by K I H on August 5, 2011

    How can this trend be turned around?
    I also see all your points clearly.
    Can it be stopped without violent riots and lynching of the responsible?
    What do history tell us?
    -Have tyrants ever been stopped by talking “nice” to them?
    Do they ever give up their “power” without a bloody fight?

  466. #466 by automedon on August 5, 2011

    How Russia deals with rouge law enforcers

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ekdUPQa6U0&feature=related

  467. #467 by SickandDisgusted on August 5, 2011

    Question: What’s all this talk about police “family”.. you know.. the brothers and sisters! What about it if it’s a mentally ill, gay, drug user, or other “misfit” child? Well, here is the answer. Who’d a thunk it? Certainly not these cops. I’m sure they never dreamed they were killing the son of a “brother”, right? And, I got news for cops who believe in this “police brotherhood” propanganda – crap. It’s all a myth. When you’re no longer on the force, a part of the team, for whatever reason, you are basically a nobody, soon forgotten. No one comes to call on you, at least not for long. Watch how fast you’re forgotten, abandoned. Not only that, but watch how fast these cops will turn on each other, to save their own ass, when the Feds get involved. The first one to turn witness to save their own hide will get the best deal.

  468. #468 by John on August 5, 2011

    Don’t you think KT ran because of prior interactions with the FPD perhaps that if they ever saw him again they would kick his ass?
    Investigators need to interview his homeless friends to see if he was beat by them before

  469. #469 by SickandDisgusted on August 5, 2011

    God is watching our nation and will judge us according to how we treat our most helpless citizens, and those in need. We are like the police who we say should have stopped the vicious attack. What are WE doing to stop the corruption, the abuses and injustice, the abandonment of our sick and poor? We are flirting with disaster, now. We should reap the harvest which we have planted for others to eat.
    Believe me that there is a God, and His angels walk amoung us. There are no secrets. There will be an accounting. For those who have lied, plundered and rendered injustice, to torment, kill, and put others in prison, there will surely be damnation. God is truth and justice, and mercy, but there will be no mercy for those who have been untruthful, unmerciful, and injust.

  470. #470 by SickandDisgusted on August 5, 2011

    By the way, it is my opinion (from personal experience) that when someone is subjected to a really traumatic experience like the street battle and injury which Cicinelli allegedly was, that they need to be watched really closely. Yes, there really IS something called “post traumatic stress disorder”, and it can cause people to become VERY pugnacious, even to seek out and cause violent confrontations, which most people would avoid. I’m not making excuses for anyone. I’m just saying that there may have been early warnings. There needs to be some way of better evaluating officers before hiring and throughout their careers. The unions need to keep out of it, if they cannot accept that. Most police, if asked, will probably not want to give up street duty. But, it’s not right to put the pubic at risk, if an officer cannot perform acceptably. There are surely alternatives, perhaps rehab and intervention for problem cops.
    It seems that there is a police culture which is completely at odds with the rest of society. In this cop culture, the toughest cops are respected, and any sign of sensitivity is treated as weakness and rejected.
    At first, I hoped that female police would temper the mix, but some of them try to be too macho and mean. JMO

  471. #471 by dana on August 5, 2011

    they need to die the same like the poor homeless man. beaten to death, and screeming for help and nobody give a damm about

  472. #472 by 13 on August 6, 2011

    Although from what I’ve heard and seen, I hope that the cops involved get what they deserve, but I do not think articles such as this help the process. Yes, I saw the picture, heard the eyewitness accounts and read the stories and what happened is horrendous. Regardless of what the crime committed – if any – no one deserves that. The only thing these articles help is the promotion of lynch mobs and harassment. None of us know the whole story, maybe one of these cops did not strike any blows. Maybe one of them spoke up and tried to stop it but among higher ranking officers they were not only ignored but tormented afterward. Who knows? Continue the peaceful protests outside the station, it’s warranted. But let the investigation run its course before we start harassing any “perpetrators” on an individual basis.

  473. #473 by nomad on August 6, 2011

    Fox news just devoted a half an hour “special report’ entirely to this case, its not going away…….

  474. #474 by Assault Victim on August 6, 2011

    Nutural- read my previous post..because of your friend Blatney I lost three years of my life because my assault was covered up by him. He didn’t want a fellow officer to be caught in the wrong place and with the wrong person doing the wrong thing. He conveniently was taken off patrol and assigned to a different position at FPD. He protected his brother in blue who out ranked him.

  475. #475 by the police are always right on August 6, 2011

    This kind of thing has been going on for waaay too long. Usually it’s some actual criminal and the masses go… “well, the guy was a bad guy, he deserved it.” But did you ever stop to think: that’s all they have to do – label someone a “bad guy” and it’s a-ok.

    I don’t live in California but I’m going to keep up with, and spread the word about, this case. I can’t tell you the supreme satisfaction I will have when these scumbags get what’s coming to them. A long time in a small cell. They will understand the word JUSTICE then.

    Those cops from New Orleans know what JUSTICE means.

  476. #476 by Angry in Washington on August 6, 2011

    “This is a time of shame and sorrow. …this mindless menace of violence in America which again stains our land and every one of our lives.

    … The victims of the violence are black and white, rich and poor, young and old, famous and unknown. They are, most important of all, human beings whom other human beings loved and needed. No one – no matter where he lives or what he does – can be certain whom next will suffer from some senseless act of bloodshed. And yet it goes on and on and on in this country of ours.

    Why? What has violence ever accomplished? What has it ever created? No martyr’s cause has ever been stilled by an assassin’s bullet. No wrongs have ever been righted by riots and civil disorders. A sniper is only a coward, not a hero; and an uncontrolled, or uncontrollable mob is only the voice of madness, not the voice of the people.

    Whenever any American’s life is taken by another American unnecessarily – whether it is done IN THE NAME OF THE LAW in the defiance of law, by one man or by a gang, in cold blood, or in passion, in an attack of violence, or in response to violence – whenever we tear at the fabric of our lives which another man has painfully and clumsily woven for himself and his children, whenever we do this – then the whole nation is degraded.

    … Yet we seemingly tolerate a rising level of violence that ignores our common humanity and our claims to civilization alike. Too often we honor swagger and bluster and the wielders of force; too often we excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered dreams of other human beings. …

    Some looks for scapegoats, others look for conspiracies, but this much is clear; violence breeds violence, repression brings retaliation, and only a cleansing of our whole society can remove this sickness from our souls. For there is another kind of violence, slower but just as deadly destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions; indifference inaction and decay. … This is the breaking of a man’s spirit by denying him the chance to stand as a father and as a man amongst other men. And this too, afflicts us all.

    For when you teach a man to hate and to fear his brother, when you teach that he is a lesser man because of his color or his beliefs or the policies that he pursues, when you teach that those who differ from you threaten your freedom or your job or your home or your family, then you also learn to confront others not as fellow citizens but as enemies – to be met not with cooperation but with conquest, to be subjugated and to be mastered.

    We learn, at the last, to look at our brothers as aliens, men with whom we share a city, but not a community, men bound to us in common dwelling, but not in a common effort. We learn to share only a common fear – only a common desire to retreat from each other – only a common impulse to meet disagreement with force. … But we can perhaps remember – if only for a time – that those who live with us are our brothers, that they share with us the same short moment of life, that they seek – as do we – nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and in happiness, winning what satisfaction and fulfillment that they can.”

    – Robert F. Kennedy, Cleavland, 4/5/68

  477. #477 by Angry in Washington on August 6, 2011

    @Outraged

    Clearly you are afraid for you family. It’s obvious that you are related to one of the officers. Be outraged at him, not at the people or the Freedom of Information Act.

  478. #478 by anonogogy on August 6, 2011

    there will be alot of people there today myself included, black bloq it until there is a sea of black in fullerton, wear black 9am

  479. #479 by anonogogy on August 6, 2011

    Angry in Washington :
    “This is a time of shame and sorrow. …this mindless menace of violence in America which again stains our land and every one of our lives.
    … The victims of the violence are black and white, rich and poor, young and old, famous and unknown. They are, most important of all, human beings whom other human beings loved and needed. No one – no matter where he lives or what he does – can be certain whom next will suffer from some senseless act of bloodshed. And yet it goes on and on and on in this country of ours.
    Why? What has violence ever accomplished? What has it ever created? No martyr’s cause has ever been stilled by an assassin’s bullet. No wrongs have ever been righted by riots and civil disorders. A sniper is only a coward, not a hero; and an uncontrolled, or uncontrollable mob is only the voice of madness, not the voice of the people.
    Whenever any American’s life is taken by another American unnecessarily – whether it is done IN THE NAME OF THE LAW in the defiance of law, by one man or by a gang, in cold blood, or in passion, in an attack of violence, or in response to violence – whenever we tear at the fabric of our lives which another man has painfully and clumsily woven for himself and his children, whenever we do this – then the whole nation is degraded.
    … Yet we seemingly tolerate a rising level of violence that ignores our common humanity and our claims to civilization alike. Too often we honor swagger and bluster and the wielders of force; too often we excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered dreams of other human beings. …
    Some looks for scapegoats, others look for conspiracies, but this much is clear; violence breeds violence, repression brings retaliation, and only a cleansing of our whole society can remove this sickness from our souls. For there is another kind of violence, slower but just as deadly destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions; indifference inaction and decay. … This is the breaking of a man’s spirit by denying him the chance to stand as a father and as a man amongst other men. And this too, afflicts us all.
    For when you teach a man to hate and to fear his brother, when you teach that he is a lesser man because of his color or his beliefs or the policies that he pursues, when you teach that those who differ from you threaten your freedom or your job or your home or your family, then you also learn to confront others not as fellow citizens but as enemies – to be met not with cooperation but with conquest, to be subjugated and to be mastered.
    We learn, at the last, to look at our brothers as aliens, men with whom we share a city, but not a community, men bound to us in common dwelling, but not in a common effort. We learn to share only a common fear – only a common desire to retreat from each other – only a common impulse to meet disagreement with force. … But we can perhaps remember – if only for a time – that those who live with us are our brothers, that they share with us the same short moment of life, that they seek – as do we – nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and in happiness, winning what satisfaction and fulfillment that they can.”
    – Robert F. Kennedy, Cleavland, 4/5/68

  480. #480 by Thomas Jefferson on August 6, 2011

    What do you folks, that I serve want me and my fellow framers to do about this whole Fullerton DIRT!
    Can I suggest we water the tree of liberty now??

  481. #481 by fullerton lover on August 6, 2011

    …this is the hypocritical “mission statement” that the Fullerton PD has posted on the city of Fullerton’s web site…

    “The Fullerton Police Department is charged with the enforcement of local, state, and federal laws, and with providing around-the-clock protection of the lives and property of the public. The Police Department functions both as an instrument of public service and as a tool for the distribution of information, guidance and direction.

    It is the mission of the Police Department to facilitate and administer the laws of governing bodies, the orders of the courts, and to direct all energies and resources toward maintaining the health, welfare and safety of citizens.”

  482. #482 by merijoe on August 6, 2011

    This poor Kelly Thomas was a victim of roadrage and he wasnt even driving – bless his soul

    I hope some of the charges these animals face are: murder 1, mayhem and torture-all of them.

    And everyone who kept a lid on it are charged with accessory to murder and manslaughter.

    Whats terrifing is knowing that if there wasnt a big media involvement then this whole incident would have been forgotten and covered like my cat buries her turds. even by those so-called “good appled coppers”

  483. #483 by merijoe on August 6, 2011

    This poor Kelly Thomas was a victim of roadrage and he wasnt even driving – bless his soul

    I hope some of the charges these animals face are: murder 1, mayhem and torture-all of them.

    And everyone who kept a lid on it are charged with accessory to murder and manslaughter.

    Whats terrifing is knowing that if there wasnt a big media involvement then this whole incident would have been forgotten and covered like my cat buries her turds. even by those so-called “good appled coppers”

  484. #484 by Laser Haas on August 6, 2011

    Correctly stated comment #488

    Does not matter what his mental state or citizen status was – this was MURDER
    and
    because it was by public trusted TRAINED officials, it is a more heinous and egregious act of betrayal of the Public’s Trust

  485. #485 by TrialBabyBringIt on August 6, 2011

    Now we know. Great trial soon! All on testimony. No video. Cops will win. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fullerton-death-20110807,0,6368545.story

  486. #486 by Free Spirit, My Ass on August 7, 2011

    Would someone please tell the media to stop interviewing Ron Thomas? Every time he has a mircrophone in his face he says something stupid. He’s supposed to be a “retired” OC Sheriff but he speaks like someone from South Central LA. As a former lawman, he should know that an investigation of this magnitude will take months and that the release of offical tapes or video will be obtained by the DA’s office or the now involved FBI. He says that as far as he’s concerned the officers “need the death penalty for special circumstances” and that his son was “murdered as a hate crime.”
    Murder requires malice aforethought.” Does he really believe the officers sought Kelly out with the intention of killing him? If he does, he’s dumber than he looks. “Special Circumstances” and “Hate Crime?” Good luck, “Dad.” He further states that the officers “need to die” but then tries to clean it up by saying he wants the court system to handle it. Wow, for a second there I thought he had it all wrapped up and doesn’t need anymore info. Where was he when his son needed him? “Free Spirit” and “homeless by choice.” Very convenient, “Dad.” Could it be that Kelly needed a “Dad” or a “Mom” every now and then? Apparently so, as “Mom” found him asleep on her porch one morning and instead of bringing him inside to at least clean up and get a meal, she calls the police to have him removed. Thanks, mom. Can you imagine turning your own child away when he wanders home after being gone for who knows how long? I wonder how Kelly felt. I know an officer on the FPD that says he called Ron Thomas about a year ago after finding Kelly in a worse than usual state. The officer got his phone number from Kelly and called on his own cell only to be told something along the lines of “I’m done with him, he knows not to call here.” Thanks, “Dad”, I’ll be sure to remember you on father’s day. I’m sure Ron will say that conversation never took place or doesn’t recall it. In Ron’s defense, he doesn’t recall much. He obviously forgot what Kelly looked like since he didn’t recognize his booking photo. And the mother is not much better. She turns him away like a dog that returned home after getting out of the back yard the night before. She’s forgetful, too. Had to get a restraining order against him because he choked her, but “he wasn’t violent.” Nah, it was just an argument. “I can’t recall the details.” Is that because it happened so often that the incidents were all a blur? Or is it because it happened one WHOLE YEAR ago? Yeah, the details of being choked by one of your kids get kind of fuzzy after a whole year. Now the family is banding together for the purpose of creating a new image of their son and brother in the hopes of cashing in. Kelly precipitated the whole encounter by running from the police, fighting with them when caught and continuing to fight their attempts to subdue him. The whole thing could have been avoided if he had submitted to the arrest. If he’s not guilty of burglary or whatever, he gets out. The whole thing also could have been avoided if the parents had done more for their son. They failed their son in his frequent times of need by turning him away, getting restraining orders and not coming to his aid when called by officials. I don’t care how often he may have been a pain in their asses, he was their son and they should have done MORE. As for the protests, Fullerton has about 140,000 residents and this site has about 50-75 boobs that comment regularly. A whole 300 showed up to the city counsel meeting, 75% of which live elsewhere. A good percentage of those in attendance looked like a Jerry Springer audience. The vast majority of residents still support the FPD and view the protesters as a bunch of Laker/Raider fans after a disappointing playoff loss. “Dad” says that Kelly was an “Icon” in the community and that shop owners actually liked him. How the hell would he know? Must have done his own poll recently. I guess that all the merchants that have called the police on him over the years didn’t get the “icon” memo. I can’t wait until the media gets bored of this story and turn their attention to the Thomas family and their failure as parents. Have a nice day.

  487. #487 by Justice4kelly on August 7, 2011

    When the charges/indictments civil rights violations, convictions and sentences come down I will be back to remind everyone what a fool you are. You have completely ignored the real issue here and in ignorance justify the murder because he was a “nuisance” to business owners. Which business do you own ? Your morality may have been OK in Nazi Germany when those deemed “nuisances” by the state were exterminated, but here you will not be tolerated. Ever.And taking cheap shots against the family and blaming them when you obviously don’t know the facts shows your narrow mindedness.

  488. #488 by Free Spirit, My Ass on August 7, 2011

    It’s you that doesn’t have the facts. All you have is a grainy video that shows nothing and a few pedestrians that watched from afar. Put your money where your mouth is and do something for a homeless person. I have, but I’d bet you’ve never done so. As far as the charges and/or indictments go, prepare to be disappointed. This whole blog contains a few anti-establishment types like yourself that now have the internet to vent their “feelings.” I’m sure that all 10 of you will have a huge impact.

  489. #489 by concerned on August 7, 2011

    What I find particularly disturbing about the way this case/investigation is being handled is that we’re being told that investigators are waiting for the results of the autopsy and toxicology studies on the corpse. However, in this case, since Kelly Thomas was alive and under intensive medical care for five days, the results of the autopsy and tox tests are likely meaningless. It’s known with certainty that Kelly Thomas died because he was taken off life support due to a likely irreversible coma. What is usually of interest from an autopsy is the state of the person during the interaction with the police. In this case, the autopsy will tell the state of the person after five days of intensive medical care. The usual playbook in a case like this is for tox test to show some sort of drug or other abnormality and for the police to get an expert witness to say that that’s what contributed to his death. The doctors who treated Kelly for five days know with certainty what the impact of the beating on Kelly’s physical state. No autopsy data can override that. I suspect this is why Ron Thomas is so confident that there is a capital murder case here. He’s holding this data like a trump card.

  490. #490 by Justice4kelly on August 7, 2011

    You are absolutely right about the autopsy

  491. #491 by Eurone on August 7, 2011

    It is very important to pursue such crimes, dunn by murderers in uniform in public and punish them hardly.
    so many thanks for your commitment.
    I hope that people have in fullerton and throughout the United States, the power supply, the torturer and murderer and responsible for their supervision band leader (mayor and police chief) of the innocent kelly thomas the only just penalty:
    the electric chair!

  492. #492 by LIZ PHILLIPS on August 7, 2011

    The FPD are the biggest shitpiles to ever walk the earth. Countless times have I heard over the years that my friends were harrassed just for walking with their skateboards, my sister getting hit on by several cops making her feel uneasy as she walks to and from her apt., and pulling people over for profiling. I have had incidents with them and every time they never listened to the other side of the story..truly a “first to the phone stays home” kinda dept. When my parents were involved over a phone dispute, officer RICHARD GIBSON came to my house and directed me to my room to get the phone. Whilst talking about the incident, he’s interrupting me telling me YOU DON’T HAVE THE WHOLE STORY..ME! So I said I’m going to put this phone back, and I’m a petite 17 y/o at the time, and he came after me so fast, before I could put the thing back, I was thrown in a chokehold against my wall and arrested for obstruction of justice…after he TRIED valliantly to say I assaulted him first. I know the injustice from these pigs firsthand. There needs to be some serious reinstatements made with code of conduct in this department!!! I thought if I, as a 17 y/o slender girl, can get assaulted for no reason or reprocussions, what else can this dept. do? What have they already done? I am a fullerton local, raised in Fullerton since I was 9, now 28. This hub where Kelly was brutally beaten is a staple for many Fullertonians and now it’s tainted with the acts of the incessant, relentless force of the Fullerton PD. I won’t be able to go to Slidebar without having to shed a tear for Kelly, wishing I could take him to dinner at the Spaghetti Factory. If he would be capable of doing what those cops tried to accuse him of, do you think he would be sitting in the same area? No. This was his home too. And he was a beautiful sole, destroyed by ugly hatred. Kelly will never be forgotten by the Fullertonians that are fighting for this injustice! Justice for Kelly. RIP angel.

  493. #493 by Get real on August 8, 2011

    to: Media Whore Mr. Thomas,

    I have a couple of questions
    !. if your son was such a great kid, why wasn’t he living in your home?
    2. Your son had a very extensive criminal history, Please explain to us the violent crime convictions including Great bodily injury., if he was such a great kid.
    3. Is there a possibility that Kelly kept fighting the officers and due to his “illness” and his violent tendencies he resisted and most the of those injuries were caused by himself fighting
    them
    4. As a parent why did not not take steps to help him and make him better.

    I support those officers and I will be helping them financial if they are charged with a crime. I will make sure they have the best legal representation.

    Please stop being a media whore and if your going to go on the air and threw shit over the air waves also give a clear details of your son’s criminal history.

    As for the body of losers who started this Future of Fullerton please tell the public of your true intentions. You all want a seat on that City council. I will not vote for you and I will make sure my friends and family don’t as well.

    Please don’t dial 911 if your ass is in a jam and need police help. I would like to see you all put on a badge and confront a violent suspect! You don’t have the balls

    later

    I SUPPORT THE CHIEF OF POLICE AS WELL AS ALL THE OFFICERS OF THE FULLERTON POLICE DEPARTMENT!

  494. #494 by Anonymous on August 8, 2011

    even murders have fans.
    like charles manson.

    I will pray god strikes you down
    and cheif sellers
    If not the people will

  495. #495 by K I H on August 8, 2011

    @ Get real
    You appear as a scum bag.
    Didn’t you know that Kelly Thomas was a “drifter” by his own choise?
    He had plenty of family where he could stay, but he was a free man.

    The 6 Police-thugs deserves what they get in hell..
    When the suspect is down and passive, normal people stop the beating.. Those goons escalated it efforts..

    Let’s hope the next victim of those goons happen to “get off” on one in your family if they see the daylight again. Guess you get more empathy then..

  496. #496 by Reality. on August 8, 2011

    Finally someone that gets it. Kelly was a loser and a nuisance to everyone in Fullerton. He collected his welfare and bummed anything he could off people. Bothered customers, harassed everyone he could. Total transient, drug addict loser. The truth will come out. He fought as hard as he could, assaulting officers, and injuring himself in the process. He’s gone now and one less loser on the streets. The cops will all get off and things will get back to normal in Fullerton soon. Keep up the good work.

  497. #497 by I have a couple of questions on August 8, 2011

    The cops will all get off and things will get back to normal in Fullerton soon. Keep up the good work.

    Gee, NOW who is hallucinating?

  498. #498 by Poor Goodwrench on August 8, 2011

    Yes! Kelly smacked his own head against the curb over and over again. Then he grabbed the wonderful officer’s arm and made him use the taser over and over again and then pulled the fine officer’s knee onto his own throat. He called out “dad” because he knew someone nearby was probably recording the event.

    He was hoping for a big cash payout.

    In the aftermath the cops were devastated. The Chief asked them to take a paid vacation, but no, they insisted on white-knuckling it and going back on the mean streets of Fullerton. After all if not the Blue Knights, then who else would keep the ungrateful citizens of Fullerton safe.

    Just doin’ my job man.

  499. #499 by JUSTWRONG on August 8, 2011

    Dear REALITY
    Your a stupid awful person. I hope you or someone you love has such an encounter with your Fullerton police. I’m sure you’ll say “Job well done” Your an @SS, r u my jerk off brother? He’s a dick too and would probably think like you.

  500. #500 by Mike on August 25, 2011

    So get real, you wanna call Mr. Thomas a media whore? I bet you have stretch marks around your mouth (and rectum) from pulling a train with various FPD officers. Just swallow the jizz; don’t speak again.

  501. #501 by the real deal on August 8, 2011

    Get real :
    to: Media Whore Mr. Thomas,
    I have a couple of questions
    !. if your son was such a great kid, why wasn’t he living in your home?
    2. Your son had a very extensive criminal history, Please explain to us the violent crime convictions including Great bodily injury., if he was such a great kid.
    3. Is there a possibility that Kelly kept fighting the officers and due to his “illness” and his violent tendencies he resisted and most the of those injuries were caused by himself fighting
    them
    4. As a parent why did not not take steps to help him and make him better.
    I support those officers and I will be helping them financial if they are charged with a crime. I will make sure they have the best legal representation.
    Please stop being a media whore and if your going to go on the air and threw shit over the air waves also give a clear details of your son’s criminal history.
    As for the body of losers who started this Future of Fullerton please tell the public of your true intentions. You all want a seat on that City council. I will not vote for you and I will make sure my friends and family don’t as well.

    I Says you are full of bacon.
    keep the slandering will keep protesting
    Have fun cowering in the corner.

  502. #502 by Poor Goodwrench on August 8, 2011

    Jeremy, is that you?

  503. #503 by I have a couple of questions on August 8, 2011

    I have a couple of questions
    !. if your son was such a great kid, why wasn’t he living in your home?

    __That has been answered in such detail, so many times, it seems you are being intentionally obtuse.

    2. Your son had a very extensive criminal history, Please explain to us the violent crime convictions including Great bodily injury, if he was such a great kid.

    __”Great” claims require great proof. (You’re probably not familiar with the expression, though it is commonly heard in scientific circles.) Think you can invent some great proof quickly?

    3. “Is there a possibility that” Kelly kept fighting the officers and due to his “illness” and his violent tendencies he resisted and most the of those injuries were caused by himself fighting them

    __Like smashing his own windpipe and face into one officer’s knees twice, and beating his head against the butts of their tasers, not to mention hooking himself to the tasers’ contacts and remotely triggering them six times as he writhed on the ground screaming for mercy? Still trying to figure out how he maliciously squirted blood out of his head all over the arms of one ‘officer.’ Seems about as likely as your ‘great proof.’ Many people who had interactions with Kelly over the years have written here about their experiences of him and what a gentle man he was. Your perceptions of him on the other hand seem more than a little self serving.

    “Is it possible that” the moon is made of green cheese? Well… I suppose it IS possible, but what are the chances?

    4. As a parent why did not not take steps to help him and make him better.

    __Also asked and answered MANY times. They tried for years to get him necessary medical treatment. Also explained many times, the illness schizophrenia, interferes with the ability of the afflicted’s brain to understand they are sick, and, the problems with trying to force treatment on the mentally ill because they, as do we all, have Constitutionally guaranteed Rights to make their own decisions regarding their own medical treatment. Just like you do, mentally ill have the Right to refuse treatment if they believe they do not need treatment, EVEN IF THEIR PARENTS WANT THEM TREATED!

    I support those officers… unquestioning support of authority? Hum, worked well in Germany and Japan during WWII, didn’t it?

    …and I will be helping them financial if they are charged with a crime. I will make sure they have the best legal representation.

    Good they’re going to need it. Are you willing to join them on death row also if they are convictions? Or, if YOUR ‘convictions’ aren’t quite that strong you can help pay for their appeals?

    Please stop being a media whore and if your going to go on the air and threw shit over the air waves also give a clear details of your son’s criminal history.

    __You are really not going to impress many people with such name calling of a grieving father. However your gratuitous vulgarity does help contextualize your stated OPINIONS.

    As for the body of losers who started this Future of Fullerton please tell the public of your true intentions.

    You all want a seat on that City council. I will not vote for you and I will make sure my friends and family don’t as well.

    __No one here has declared any intention to run for any office, so that would be considered AT BEST conjecture on your part, although it is most likely a red herring to change the subject and throw off the unwary. Hum, would that fit better under obfuscation or simply misrepresentation? The less sophisticated would more likely call it a blatant lie.

    I do believe the founders of this site and those who post here will actually WIN justice for Kelly Thomas and his family against your brutal animal friends in a court of law.

    Inaccuracies and obfuscation aside you present a good argument, oh wait, inaccuracies and obfuscation are the entirety of your argument. Never mind.

    Oh, and all the best,
    Xer

  504. #504 by Jack on August 8, 2011

    I don’t know who initially proposed that “Is there a possibility that” Kelly kept fighting the officers and due to his “illness” and his violent tendencies he resisted and most the of those injuries were caused by himself fighting them’ ”
    But to them I say that in most cases, sadly, common sense is overshadowed by the ‘facts’. This case, however, calls for good old fashioned common sense, Kelly Thomas was, by his father’s account, malnourished and weighed 140 pounds. It ceases to be an issue of human resistance or rage when you are simply out-muscled. (Bruce Lee once had his back broken by a larger opponent who out-muscled him and put him in a bear hug.) And that would be to assume that Kelly Thomas had the skills that Bruce Lee had..which is highly unlikely.
    I hold a black belt, and am roughly the same weight as Kelly Thomas was, and I can say, that martial arts are ‘a shield and not a sword’ (as is taught). It is a means of self-defense so a smaller individual WON’T find him/herself on the ground @ the mercy of a larger opponent, because that is where training fails and physics prevail. That is to give the assailants the fullest benefit of the doubt, which doesn’t apply here..
    In order for six men, even if they were unarmed, which they clearly weren’t and who were cops, so if not strong or in necessarily good conditioning, were @ least heavy men with some training in restraint, to have any degree of difficulty in restraining one man, that man would have to be HUGE, armed, and/or a highly skilled and conditioned fighter..None of these were the case..that’s what makes it particularly heinous.

  505. #505 by Justice4kelly on August 8, 2011

    Thanks Jack- You state the obvious which so many people miss here.

  506. #506 by Xer on August 8, 2011

    Good points, Jack, and all obvious to anyone who ever had any defensive training. Didn’t know Lee once had his back broken. Must be why he began body building?

    There is simply no justification nor excuse for what was done to Kelly Thomas. Animals are treated better than that by Animal Control Officers. Anyone who defends the six who murdered Kelly has either lost their humanity, or is complicit in his death/cover-up.

  507. #507 by FullCopper on August 9, 2011

    First prove that six were involved. Try two.

  508. #508 by Justice4kelly on August 10, 2011

    Good post. There are obviously going to be varying degrees of involvement here and I think your number of two will be the ones receiving 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. However, it will be interesting to see how the other four are treated. Don’t forget- the cops filed incident reports with their statements- something they never would have done if the death occurred immediately. I think those reports are gonna be used against them in a huge way.

  509. #509 by Anonymous on August 10, 2011

    6 were placed on leave …anything else?

  510. #510 by JUSTWRONG on August 8, 2011

    To: I have a couple of questions
    R u serious? I can not believe what you posted! So what if Kelly was a bum and a loser, he was BEATEN TO DEATH. What about humanity and compassion … you have none. Your as twisted as the police/pigs that g killed him. It is a shame that a person can be beat to death and anyone would say “he was a loser, job well done.” Your as bad as the cops, wait r u one?

  511. #511 by Justice4kelly on August 8, 2011

    Good post for those who defend the indefensible.

  512. #512 by JUSTWRONG on August 8, 2011

    Holy crap, like this is an ugly awful world we live in and someone would be so freaking ignorant to say “he was a loser”
    I DONT CARE HE WAS BEAT TO DEATH … JESUS WOULD BE SICK AND ASHAMED OF ALL THIS STUPID.
    I cried out load when I saw his picture. How can anyone be so uncaring and stupid? I don’t get it! I feel like screaming and having a fit.

  513. #513 by Jack on August 8, 2011

    The hardest thing to be in a case like this is objective. If you stop & think, about 90% of what you hear about anything, no matter what it is, is uninformed and biased. Be that from a politician, (most) media, or the man on the street. They report the story that THEY want you to know. That’s why it gives you an advantage when yours is the only voice that fair and on the side of truth.
    Like everyone else, I was FURIOUS when I first saw the video..and am even more so as the case progresses and we learn more & more about the cover-up and corruption. This is not/was not a case of a ‘simple’ civil-rights violation or the textbook my-word-against-yours everyday police brutality, it was a cold-blooded, brutal murder by six thugs..with weapons! It’s that brutality, and corruption that requires that the People have objective thinking more than ever.
    I have said before that I am not from Fullerton, so I am not a first party witness to the reports that have since surfaced about the widespread brutality and corruption within the FPD. Until there is proof, I have to be an unbiased opinion.
    HOWEVER(!), this is where people everywhere need to stand up and say “Look, we are not stupid, are not weak, or powerless and WILL NOT be bullied”.
    I assume there are @ least a few good, honest cops on the FPD, and that they are not all bloodthirsty cold-blooded killers, and that is as close to objective I can be on this issue. The law says everyone deserves a fair trial, guilty and innocent alike, and if we formed a lynch mob (a real one, and not one created in the mind of a guilt ridden councilman) and called for their heads to literally roll, then we would be no better than them. If that were to happen then the violence from then would be a little more ‘justified’.
    Everyone American knows that not everything the police do is 100% legal..and until now, we have silently and without protest have paid all the b/s fines and have said ‘No one will believe me, it’s my word against theirs’ when we’ve been victims of brutality and Gestapo level bullying.
    So, if we have been silent victims for so long, and since the FPD are still hiding behind the blue line, it’s the FBI and the Office of the O.C D.A that owes it to us to see justice done. The King verdict should have changed the world, it should have been another ‘shot heard round the world’. Sadly, it wasn’t. If justice had been served then, Kelly Thomas would still be alive today. I can only compare it to a parent of a spoiled, violent child saying “No, not MY child!” and not punishing them because, to do so would be to admit to poor parenting on their part. Where is the line when those ‘parents’ say “You have f-cked up, plain and simple you have gone too far and now YOU have to pay for it”.
    I am scared to even begin to speculate on the outcome of the trial (if one ever takes place). Until it does, though, I, for one, will continue to do the best thing I can in this case, and that is to be HONEST and OBJECTIVE while I voice my disgust and dissent within this case. I am furious, disgusted and outraged, absolutely!!! It is without an ounce of malice that I say that I hope those cops involved get the maximum sentence, but I am basing that on my knowledge of the case, the evidence presented, my humanity, and plain old common sense, NOT my anger. (Let’s be realistic, if true ‘justice’ were served, an armed mob of thirty six, a six to one ratio, would have it’s revenge on the unarmed guilty) Let’s pray that the courts are so objective..It is no longer an issue of ‘ifs’ and ‘what may have happened that night’ it is on @ least three corroborating videos (as well as the elusive realtors video) and multiple witnesses testimonies. To me, (besides the tragedy already committed) the worst thing is that the FPD still deny the events, not to mention that the consensus within the FPD is such that there wasn’t ONE man out of six who saw that too much was too much..not ONE of them said ‘Whoa, guys that’s too much, back off, he isn’t resisting!’
    Ron Thomas was a police officer for years, and now he is disgusted with ‘departmental procedure’, (as he well should be!!!) are the higher-ups in the FPD so shallow and prejudiced that they aren’t human enough to say ‘Enough is enough!’ ? I think we are owed @ least the ‘small’ consideration to be assured that, on any street in any city in America, no crime we commit (or are even accused of!) is punishable by being beaten to death in the street!

  514. #514 by Jack on August 8, 2011

    Concerning “I have a couple of questions” and the comments made..
    I think the admin of this site should block their comments. Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and to block them would seem fascist and ignorant on the surface, the purpose of this blog is, in my understanding, to have a place to express opinion/voice concern. I’d like to think that it is fair and impartial, and that all comments are welcomed here, but the poster’s motivation isn’t impartiality or intelligent debate, it is simply to shock and anger others. It sounds like the person is either carrying a HUGE chip on their shoulder, or that they’re simply childish and seek attention by going against the general consensus of the blog. Nevertheless, it is disheartening to see all the informed and compassionate posts marred by such immaturity, maybe if he/she is ignored they will stop. We can do nothing to make them behave like an intelligent human adult and stop posting b/s on here other than ignoring them entirely. Theirs is not an opinion, it’s an expression, they want the attention they obviously are lacking in another facet of their life, and it isn’t our place to provide it.

  515. #515 by JUSTWRONG on August 8, 2011

    JACK this is for you…
    Your so right, I also wondered if this fool was just trying to get attention. Although there really are people that feel homeless and mental people should be put down because they are a liability and not an asset. Life is hard for people that are ill, they live on the streets because they are crazy. It isn’t fair and it isn’t right but, it is part of life.

  516. #516 by Renee on August 8, 2011

    During the time of the LAPD Rampart scandal I read an article in the LA Times about corruption within law enforcement. It was estimated that around 5% of officers would be criminals if they wern’t in law enforcement. Over the years I’ve been told things I really didn’t want to hear on what really goes on that we don’t hear about. LAPD gives out small settlements all the time.

  517. #517 by anonymous on August 9, 2011

    Supporting the fab. 6. Keep up the good work and get these thieves, murders, etc. Off the streets.

  518. #518 by anonymous on August 9, 2011

    No one is to judge but god. Everyone is so negative but I’m sure in your time of need you would call the FPD. Stop assuming things when you yourself hasn’t witnessed it. You guys need to get a life. And stop basing your opinion on rumors.

  519. #519 by Xer on August 9, 2011

    #487 by anonymous on August 9, 2011
    No one is to judge but god. Everyone is so negative but I’m sure in your time of need you would call the FPD. Stop assuming things when you yourself hasn’t witnessed it. You guys need to get a life. And stop basing your opinion on rumors.

    Wrong: I would never call the FPD if I lived there. Fortunately, where I live police honor their oath. I asked one today if they receive training for how to deal with the mentally ill. She politely responded, “yes, we get a 40 hour class.” She also informed me almost 80% of her calls are regarding the mentally ill. That tells me she is probably THE officer, on our police force most often called for cases involving mentally ill (or all my neighbors are crazy?) She was courteous and informative, I’d say, a good cop, nothing like your murderous FPD trash. As for basing my opinion about Kelly Thomas on rumors? I’m basing my opinion on the videos available on youtube (which you clearly avoid watching), Kang’s inability during her interview on CNN to hide her own dismay at the police video, and testimonials here by people who had occasion to encounter Kelly Thomas over the last few years.

    Finally you are mistaken about god being the only judge. The Judge is also a judge, and the jury will judge the evidence presented in court. We are simply judging the evidence already publicly available. No one is to judge another man’s SINS, but god. We are not talking about sins, we are talking about a crime, murder. But, good luck in court to the heroes of FPD.

    So, I guess you must base your opinions on misplaced loyalty to your friends?

  520. #520 by Mr. A on August 9, 2011

    I would like to gather another group to protest… I’m not letting this one go without some input of my own in person.

  521. #521 by NoWorries on August 9, 2011

    Yell at the walls? Who cares. No one that matters is listening. The cops are on the beach in Newport soaking up the rays and the others are working. They will all just laugh at you as they drive by. Give it up.

  522. #522 by laser haas on August 9, 2011

    We have started a petition after the outrageous claims of the OCDA last night, that it was not murder.

    So we must force the OCDA to let Ron Thomas at least see the tapes.

    After all the Police got to see them.

    http://www.change.org/petitions/truth-justice-for-kelly-thomas-family

  523. #524 by 575 on August 9, 2011

    Why don’t all of you put pressure on the City Council to fire the Chief? The City Council has that authority. If the City Council will not do anything other than act like King Kong, then start a recall now of everyone. This require more than chest pounding and talk show interviews. This requires action. The City Council are the Leaders of Fullerton. They need to DO SOMETHING. And the starting point is to fire Sellers … and the reason for the firing includes the handling of Kelly, but is not limited to that. Further, the City COuncil should make these officers pick up trash or do something for the money they are getting rather than just let them sit at home. And finally, the City COuncil needs to review the hiring standards for the Police Department and show the country and the world that we are not some lame minor city with out of control cops by putting into place standards for hiring and conduct while on duty that will not allow these terrorist actions against their very constituents to take place. Our PUBLIC SERVANTS have NO CLUE what it means to SERVE. I won’t even include the word PROTECT. There is likely a very small minority in this City right now that feels the Police Protect and Serve. And those in that minority more than likely have very close ties to the department. We must take back our City. We, the Citizens of Fullerton, must become CITIZENS again and together, united, peaceful, assertive and yes with love, guide the Council, Police, Redevelopment, etc. If we don’t rise to the occasion, then in six months this will just be nothing more than a footnote in Fullerton’s long history of corruption and abuse by power hungry people who were given tacit consent by citizens who didn’t take the time to get involved. We cannot lose the momentum we have created. It is legal to protest in front of the White House 24/7, with a tent in place so long as the protesters (like a picket line) are always awake. Why can’t we do the same on the grounds of City Hall across from FPD. There are enough people on this board alone, let alone Facebook, etc that we could ‘staff’ a 24/7 protest for as long as it takes … and I mean as long as it takes. We must however remember one thing. Vengence will not get us to where we want to go. This is now much bigger than Kelly. To provide justice for Kelly, we must not seek retribution, but rather seek to ‘fix’ the root of our problems … a City Council with no backbone nor focus nor desire to truly ‘serve the people’ and a Police Department that is run like the mafia that cannot grasp the concept of what ‘excessive force’ means … there is such a thing as non-confrontational mediation and it works.

  524. #525 by Laser on August 9, 2011

    Petition for Mr. Thomas to see his son’s video

    http://www.change.org/petitions/truth-justice-for-kelly-thomas-family

  525. #527 by LShaas on August 9, 2011

    Petition to get Ron Thomas to view the Videos

    http://www.change.org/petitions/truth-justice-for-kelly-thomas-family

  526. #528 by myface on August 9, 2011

    follow this on facebook as well. tell your everyone you know. spread the word. we won’t rest until these cops see justice.

    Justice for Kelly Thomas:

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Kelly-Thomas/202121386512154

  527. #529 by John Law on August 11, 2011

    Why dont you all just wait for the independant investigation, the FBI review, and the possible court case to follow. Its easy to just sit there and rant a bunch of crap with no major facts to back it up. There is another video according to the press. Hopefully we will all see it. The last one just doesn’t show me anything. If these guys are guilty, then let them be brought to justice. But dont punish every single officer at Fullerton. The actions of a few dont always affect the actions of the rest. Are we judging by the groups now? Its great to see the public voice thier concerns and that the City will have to take action. But again, now people have spoken and the ball is rolling, let the investigations happen and lets wait for the results. What about fixing whats broken. Maybe there needs to be more training. What can be done to make things better? What steps can be taken to not allow this to happen again? These are the real issues. What happened happened. It cant be taken back. However, we all can move forward and make sure it gets fixed. Be patient and quit slamming the PD as a whole. There are men and women there who do not deserve that.

  528. #530 by KillercopDOTcom on August 11, 2011

    #471 Get Real. Pray it doesn’t “get real” for the cops. As in real ugly. Citizens might decide to stop calling 911 in the future, to “assist” your gang, because, admit it, without the local Citizens to help you solve crimes most of your time would be spent writing parking and speeding tickets, and instead they decide enough is enough and dial .357, or my personal favorite .7.62. We are many. You are few. And we don’t forget.

  529. #531 by 575 on August 11, 2011

    There is a lot of anger here. The anger should not be dismissed but wishing ill upon others is not a solution that will bridge the gaps between Citizen and Police. It is clear from reading this blog alone that there is a great chasm between the two. This is in part due to the fact that Police tend to not live with nor associate with the very people the seek to protect and serve. I ask you, how can one serve and protect another if there is no real authentic human interaction based upon respect, tolerance and curiosity? Police should not feel themselves a separate class of society and yet both Police and Citizen accept this as reality. The damage and ferocity of the arrest of Kelly Thomas indicates an elevated degree of latent anger amongst the arresting officers. That same latent anger appears here in many of the postings. This board should focus itself or this degeneration into bigotry, prejudice, hate and chest pounding will dilute the true purpose: justice for Kelly Thomas, the firing of the Fullerton Police Chief and the reformation of Police Procedure and tactics in Fullerton (and beyond). Further widening the chasm between police and citizen is only going to reinforce the notion that what the police did was actually proper and necesary to control a population that seeks to cause it (the Police) harm.
    This is not an Us vs Them scenario.
    We are on the same team.
    The police must learn what it means ‘to serve’ and the public must learn what it means ‘to participate in their governing’.
    When and if we can actually start acting like a represenative democracy, we will see real and meaningful change in the attitudes of our public servants.

  530. #532 by 575 on August 11, 2011

    There is a lot of anger here. The anger should not be dismissed but wishing ill upon others is not a solution that will bridge the gaps between Citizen and Police. It is clear from reading this blog alone that there is a great chasm between the two. This is in part due to the fact that Police tend to not live with, nor associate with, the very people they seek to protect and serve.
    I ask you, how can one serve and protect another if there is no real authentic human interaction based upon respect, tolerance and curiosity? Police should not feel themselves a separate class of society and yet both Police and Citizen accept this as reality. The damage and ferocity of the arrest of Kelly Thomas indicates an elevated degree of latent anger amongst the arresting officers. That same latent anger appears here in many of the postings. This board should focus itself – because right now – this degeneration into bigotry, prejudice, hate and chest pounding will dilute the true purpose: justice for Kelly Thomas, the firing of the Fullerton Police Chief and the reformation of Police Procedure and tactics in Fullerton (and beyond).
    Further widening the chasm between police and citizen is only going to reinforce the notion that what the police did was actually proper and necessary to control a population that seeks to cause it (the Police) harm.
    This is not an Us vs Them scenario.
    We are on the same team.
    The police must learn what it means ‘to serve’ and the public must learn what it means ‘to participate in their governing’.
    When and if we can actually start acting like a represenative democracy, we will see real and meaningful change in the attitudes of our public servants.

  531. #533 by becareful on August 12, 2011

    Ah yes, the all familiar the victim was homeless, drug dealer/user, some lower person of sociaity and who cares that they are dead? Well sooner or later the Gestapo is going to kill the child of someone who really matters or is very well respected, then our streets will look like London’s. You know they rioted because Police killed a guy right?

    What do we do ?

    Not a single thing.

  532. #534 by Sickened by FPD on August 13, 2011

    I was raised in Fullerton, and it sickens me to know that the “leaders” in what was once a close-knit community, have stooped sooo low to have let something like this happen. I have friends that date back to my childhood that are on the
    FPD – and one of them is listed in this article. All I can say is, I am ashamed any and all of you would think it is okay to stand by and witness, let alone participate, in ANY of this! I am ashamed to be associated with any of you!

  533. #535 by rhondamadgirl on August 14, 2011

    I am sorry if I misunderstand, but are you upset with the FPD or this blog, or both? Not entirely clear.

  534. #536 by jonnyc on August 14, 2011

    PLEASE all you people get OVER the GOD thing.There is no god….And what the police did to this human being they will have to pay for through OUR justice system….. Welcome to america…

  535. #537 by rhondamadgirl on August 14, 2011

    WHY do you say such a thing? Just to further rile people? To hurt them? Do they not have a right to speak freely of God? Are you so bothered by their free speech? This is not the place to complain about that. Shame on YOU!

  536. #538 by JJ on August 14, 2011

    SAD about what hpnd here BUT…. I DO NOT BLAME the COPS !!!! I BLAME Kelly’s parents !!! All I want to know is where his parents were when he was homeless and SICK. Now he’s dead and parents showing up like they love their child and missed…. I guess that’s how it is in this country !!!

    Cops should go back to WORK !!!!

  537. #539 by rhondamadgirl on August 15, 2011

    You obviously do not understand mental illness. It is not what you think at all.

  538. #540 by Anonymous on August 14, 2011

    Reality….YOU are SICK

  539. #541 by Alex Kozinski on August 17, 2011

    If this goes up to the appeal level we will just say, ““A reasonable officer could have thought the
    force used was needed[.]” Luchtel, 623 F.3d at 982-83.

  540. #542 by chuck on August 17, 2011

    second degree murder,is a joke.From my understanding the FPD were aware of kelly and his mental issues, therefore to even to try and justify this action is a joke,my opinion at least 2 of the monsters should be up for 1st degree with gang enhancements and should die in prison.even though they deserve worse.

    For all those that are so blinded or in better term so freakin STUPID.ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS RESEARCH ON THE INTERNET,AND AFTER HAVING DONE SO still think the FPD’s actions jusifiable simply should pull their head out their poopshoot
    because it is interfering with what brain they may have.

    I myself probably came close to a similar ending as thomas, but having a little common sense I realized that if I made one more smartass statement they would done the same to me as FPD did to this poor soul. I don’t know how many it would of took, but they were going use 6 of same type rouge asses to beat the living sh_t out of me,all for running my mouth.
    This is not supposed to happen in the USA
    WELCOME TO THE SUNSHINE STATE where anything is possible.
    I have an autistic son an now will no longer feel I can drive through
    fullerton with out worry, because of my sons inability to verbally communicate, the same thing could happen to him and I, because he does not understand and would not respond to them,they would say he resisted arrest and that /i jumped a police officer, they would have to kill me first(which I’m sure would be no problem to them)

    If we as a counrty stop wasting billions of tax payers dollars on killing innocent people in places we should not even be and in turn spent a fraction of what is wasted on health/mental issues here at home we would not be were we are.

    One article I read says that a source close to FPD has leaked out information and names of officers involved. for this to happen others in the department also agree that this is a real sad, and unnecessary amount of deadly force used, and my hat is off to those who had the courage to leak the info.

    and a little more for the ignorant that remark why didn’t anyone help watch the recorded videos and u will see they were told to go home or be arrested(probably beaten as well) and one person tossed By one of the Fpd TO THE GROUND CAUSE HE WON’T STOP RECORDING THE INCIDENT.

    PLAIN AND SIMPLE THIS WOULD NOT BE AN INNOCENTS PERSONS RESPONSE BUT THEY KNEW THEY WERE OUT OF CONTROL.CALIF.IS NOT BECOMING BUT IS AS WE SPEAK, A POLICE STATE,MIGHT AS WELL LIVE IN IRAG

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  541. #543 by chuck on August 17, 2011

    FOR THOSE THAT ASK WHERE WERE HIS PARENTS,

    AND i SAY THIS WITH HURT. THE PARENTS ARE LUCKY NOT TO HAVE BEEN THERE OTHERWISE WOULD BE IN SAME CONDITION, BECAUSE I AM SURE THEY WOULD HAVE TRIED TO AID THEIR SON.

    I SAY THIS WITH KNOWLEDGE FOR I HAVE AN AUTISTIC SON AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO KILL ME BEFORE I WOULD ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, WHICH THEY WOULD.

    HAVE TO ADMIT THEY ARE TRYING TO GET JUSTICE THROUGH THE LEGAL SYSTEM,I CAN NOT SAY I WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTROL MYSELF.

    NOTHING CAN BRING KELLY BACK ,my heart goes out to his family, nobody should ever had to deal with something so wrong and unjustifiable ever

  542. #544 by chuck on August 17, 2011

    six were there,did even one try top stop this murder? no I think no

  543. #545 by michael castillo on August 17, 2011

    jay cicenali was the campus cop at my school he threatened me a number of times when one of my friends was killed he said “im glad this lil punk is gone i wish i could shake the hand of the person who did it” biggest asshole ever! and wolfe is a dick head he would pull me over and keep me there longer then necissary.. what goes around comes around!!!!!

  544. #546 by Justice will Prevail....Not Guilty on August 17, 2011

    Sounds like he shoulda kicked ur azz a few times. Maybe you would be a better citizen now.

  545. #547 by IRick on August 23, 2011

    Do these officials think we are all idiots because we do not hold public office. If you want to find out who the six are, you just keep track of who goes to work and who does not. Who is on leave and who is not.
    It is just a process of elimination. It’s that easy.

  546. #548 by JO on August 24, 2011

    Who gives a flying f@#ck about those 6 cops..about their names, whether they’re on LEAVE or not, or even their names and personal backgrounds. They did their jobs and who knew about that homeless dude’s health condition to begin with. Cops did not kill that homeless dude, his own parents did. SHAME ON YOU, put that kid out on streets and your ass @ home. NOW saying “how much you miss and love your son?? : pathetic !!!!! ALWAYS EXCUSES and REASONS I’m sure

  547. #549 by JO on August 24, 2011

    Cops on “Leave” for now. They’ll be back working, just matter of time. why shouldn’t they? They didn’t murder that homeless dude. He probably was on HIGH on some sh@t and think he can get away.

  548. #550 by Anonymous on August 24, 2011

    1) Why shouldn’t they — well, maybe because they beat an unarmed man to death, for starters.

    2) “high on some sh..” — Really? So you think he had an overdose that just happened to coincide with the time the cops were tasing him, stomping him in the throat, and beating him about the head with the butt of their tasers and their fists?? Idiot…

    3) “that homeless dude” — Nice try, prick. You think you can take away his name and marginalize him to the point where his life doesn’t really matter??? Think again. He was a human being — his name was Kelly Thomas (not “that homeless dude”).

    Please come back again when you have some education and your mom has restored your computer privileges. Until then, please piss off..

  549. #551 by JO on September 3, 2011

    Anonymous :1) Why shouldn’t they — well, maybe because they beat an unarmed man to death, for starters.
    2) “high on some sh..” — Really? So you think he had an overdose that just happened to coincide with the time the cops were tasing him, stomping him in the throat, and beating him about the head with the butt of their tasers and their fists?? Idiot…
    3) “that homeless dude” — Nice try, prick. You think you can take away his name and marginalize him to the point where his life doesn’t really matter??? Think again. He was a human being — his name was Kelly Thomas (not “that homeless dude”).
    Please come back again when you have some education and your mom has restored your computer privileges. Until then, please piss off..

    WHO? KELLY what ? Hes a fuckin BUM HOMELESS, THANK God least we got rid of one off the streets !
    Get educate ? you should say that to that BUM HOMELESS parents…. maybe just maybe he could’ve been saved, if they were.
    and guess what ? Cops are back !

  550. #552 by Prone Restraint Kills on September 26, 2011

    Kelly’s situation was a medical one, not a criminal one. He never would have been found guilty of a crime, even a heinous one. A simple restraint could have been effected to take him to a hospital for help. Instead the stupid, nasty and lazy cops did everything they could to hurt him, including suffocating him, a well-known cause of death in custody. Restraint Asphyxia – Silent Killer, Part ONE http://bit.ly/qwaL2x

  551. #553 by Laser the Harley Jeans Guy on February 8, 2013

    To Mr. Thomas and his family.

    May it always be – that true justice be done!

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