UCI Docs Say Kelly Died From Blunt Force Trauma, Assault


The attorney for the Thomas family released some medical reports from UCI today. They say that Kelly Thomas was brain dead from head trauma as the result of an assault and there were no drugs or alcohol found in his system

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Chris went up to Garo Mardirossian’s press conference today to get the details. Check out the Taser demonstration at the end of the video.

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  1. #1 by One for the books on September 7, 2011

    Gee, Mr. DA, did this clear things up for you?!

    • #2 by fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

      WATCHING RON GO THROUGH THESE INTERVIEWS IS PAINFUL. HE DOESN’T DESERVE THIS, AND NEITHER DO HIS FAMILY MEMBERS,

      • #3 by fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

        ADMIN, THANKS FOR PUTTING THE “EVIDENCE” ALL IN ONE AREA! KEEPS FROM HAVING TO GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN PAGES.

    • #4 by Really??? on September 9, 2011

      Funny the doctor who completed the report spelled assault wrong! And you FFFF morons don’t say anything! But some one who opposes your view and you idiots are all over them calling them GED cops!!! Really???

      • #5 by nipsey on September 9, 2011

        Yeah twat, but look at all the fancy words that are spelled correctly.

      • #6 by Stud Lee on September 9, 2011

        Here you go using the word “funny” again. You smear trolls all think this whole thing is really funny don’t you?

      • #7 by Anonymous on September 9, 2011

        YEAH, YOU LOW IQ GED COPPERS ARE REAL TREASURES! WHAT A DISGRACE YOU ARE AND YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DON’T OR TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS.

        • #8 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

          LOL that GED thing is great. I don’t even know a cop with a GED. It’s like the Yo Mama jokes from 20 years ago. Love it.

          I own everything I do. Actions are mine. Even my penis.

          • #9 by FEDUPWITHMORONS on September 9, 2011

            YOU DON’T OWN A PENIS, OR AT LEAST A FUNCTIONING ONE, NO BALLS EITHER!

        • #10 by Really??? on September 10, 2011

          Really???? Anonymous, did you read your last post! You make no sense, who is the idiot with the GED!!!!! Really just stop posting and quit wasting everyones time!

  2. #11 by tony rawcocass on September 7, 2011

    im sorry, i wasnt listening

  3. #12 by One for the books on September 7, 2011

    Thank God that Kelly was taken to a hospital and did not die at the murder scene, otherwise we may not have a truthful cause of death!

    • #13 by fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

      HE WAS BRAIN DEAD AT THE SCENE, HOSPITAL WAS DOING WHAT IT COULD TO KEEP HIM BREATHING. ALL THEY COULD DO :(

  4. #14 by D.C on September 7, 2011

    All of Socal is waiting for one of these “public servants” to man up. The ultimate decision on criminal charges may rest with Rackauckas, but the fate of Rackauckas rests with the voters of OC.

  5. #15 by Disgusted on September 7, 2011

    Everyone please remember that piece of shit DA on election day. And for our county’s sake, GET OUT AND VOTE!!! Your local elections are as important as any. Ask a Fullerton resident…

    • #16 by One for the books on September 7, 2011

      Regarding the DA, let’s just wait and see what he does before we pass judgement on him. Let’s just see what he decides to do.

      • #17 by Steve Brow on September 7, 2011

        We are and have been waiting.

      • #18 by LeRoy Murray on September 7, 2011

        Better yet, see what he’s done…nothing. Just dragging his feet, hoping it’ll all go away, and protecting his buddies, to benefit himself in making other cases as well as benefiting them.

        • #19 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 7, 2011

          No one knows that for sure yet. I’m sure when it’s all over he will be able to lay out all the reasons day by day. Let’s just say he really can’t file charges until the autopsy is completed and the paperwork is in his office, which is true. So then the delay is in the OCSD Coroner’s Office. Why are they so slow? The DA is not going to rely on notes from a Doctor at a private hospital for his decision. So maybe a protest at the OCSD Coroner’s Office?

      • #20 by nipsey on September 8, 2011

        Uh, no, because he’s proven to be a piece of shit repeatedly over the years. I passed judgment years ago.

        • #21 by County Clerk on September 8, 2011

          True enough.

          When he whitewashed the Ackerman lobbying thing that was the final straw.

          The DA Office motto? “Not looking for evidence is a great way of not finding any!”

        • #22 by fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

          NIPSEY, LOOKING IN THE MRROR OR WHAT?

          • #23 by Infamouse on September 8, 2011

            Tony ru-cock-us said on aug 4 after viewing the tape that there was “no evidence” the officers mention to kill Kelly. I wonder if he looked at cicinelli’s cell phone/ text records to see if he was bragging about the beating- as stated by the Kfi informant.

            If you don’t go to the grocery store, there’s no food in the house.

            Pigs

    • #24 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 7, 2011

      The key is an opponent with a ton of money and a huge political backing. That’s they only thing that will beat the ol’ political machine.

    • #25 by fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

      START A RECALL ON T-RACK! SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE!

  6. #26 by One for the books on September 7, 2011

    “The Attorney General and FBI are waiting to see what the DA is going to do.”

    • #27 by fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

      HOW LONG ARE THEY GOING TO WAIT THOUGH? WHY SO LONG ON RELEASING DEATH STATEMENT COMING FROM CORONER?
      YOU GUYS NEED TO FORCE A SEPARATION OF THE SHERIFF’S OFFICE AND CORONER. LA COUNTY WORKS WITHOUT BEING JOINED AT THE HIP LIKE OC IS!

  7. #28 by KTLA News on September 7, 2011

    The coroner’s report is expected to be released in the next two weeks.

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-kelly-thomas-case,0,3703611.story

  8. #29 by merijoe on September 7, 2011

    that was the feeling I got when I first saw the hospital pictures-so how many ways of stupid are there to make a statement od “I’ve seen worse” or ” we dont know what he died from”

    • #30 by soundguy on September 8, 2011

      it’s a conspiricy. like a grade-school bully. except it’s with 6 digit+ income. if you were a liar and with that income you’d understand completely

      • #31 by fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

        IT’S SIX GED BULLIES THAT DID THIS TO KELLY. THEY WERE EITHER THE BULLIES, OR THEY WERE BULLIED THEMSELVES AND NOW CAN PAY EVERYONE BACK FOR THE BULLYING.

    • #32 by fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

      SOME KIND OF A DOCTOR HUH? IS JONES A GYNECOLOGIST? HE ONLY SAW SMILING V-JAYS DURING HIS MEDICAL CAREER?

      • #33 by dixiejon on September 8, 2011

        ex-military doc. thats where the non-performing docs go. took my son three years to get an operation for a crushed disc. meanwhile the Army harrassed him in everyway possible that he would go AWOL and get out of his lifetime disability.

  9. #34 by St. Louis Mo. on September 7, 2011

    Not a local but just my two cent guesses

    In the time between Kelly’s beating and his death the local coverup was in full swing. So much so, there was no turning back. They had no idea you folks in Fullerton would react with such outrage.

    Now they are caught. The only defense they have is silence. They can’t answer anything without incriminating themselves. With teams of Lawyers and the feds breathing down their necks they dare not try anything.

    IMO, it’s just a matter of time before the Mayor, DA, Police Chief, and the Police involved in the beating go away for a long time. There is no loyalty among thieves. These men will break and turn each other in.

    Supporting Kelly from 2000 Miles away

    • #35 by fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

      HEY ST. LOUIS, WELCOME BACK!

  10. #36 by Anonymous on September 7, 2011

    One for the books :
    Thank God that Kelly was taken to a hospital and did not die at the murder scene, otherwise we may not have a truthful cause of death!

    All Fullerton citizens should be lucky these cops were caught and this murder didn’t take place down by the railroad tracks outside of town somewhere..

    THEY DREW FIRST BLOOD AND KELLYS ARMY **WILL******************* WIN!

    • #37 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 7, 2011

      True. I’m sure that has happened many times across the US, especially back in the 70′s and 80′s.

      • #38 by Jt on September 8, 2011

        Damn you have changed your tune all of a sudden!

        • #39 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

          Same ol’ me.

    • #40 by streets of fullerton on September 8, 2011

      a suspicious death did occur down by the tracks with a homeless person about just prior to the july 5th death of Thomas. 4 homeless kids passing thru. Only three the next morning lined up on the wall being questioned by the police. It was rulled as a suicide but there are many suspicious things involved. I heard that his belongings where found at the police dept. where he suposedly walked in an left them the night before. It was interesting to note the death occurred by the only spot on the tracks near the parking lot.The alleged suicide happened at 4:30 on a wed morn. in June.

      • #41 by Concerned on September 8, 2011

        You got a name or any press coverage?

  11. #42 by Anonymous on September 7, 2011

    BLUE LINE from previous case.. they are ALL corrupt.. IF THE TOP DOG IS CORRUPT.. gee.. so are the underlings
    ————————“I don’t appreciate those comments,” Hutchens said. “I don’t believe there is (a code of silence). If any of our deputies acted inappropriately, we will take care of it in an administrative manner.”
    KEYWORD
    ADMINISTRATIVE..
    That quote right there.. said in no broken English
    “get the fuck out of our internal affairs. If anything goes wrong here.. stay out and we take care of our own”
    http://www2.ocregister.com/articles/hibbs-lares-emami-2367207-car-taser

    Maybe reading a lot into it BUT
    SHE IS the Coroner in the Kelly Thomas case?? The autopsy report conveniently has not been supplied yet.. hmmm a

    • #43 by corrupt on September 7, 2011

      Hutchens HATES the 2nd Amendment… she is the enemy.

    • #44 by fullerton lover on September 7, 2011

      I took videos a few years ago of three sheriff’s deputies sitting at Theo Lacy while they were playing solitaire and video games. If I hadn’t had my son with me at the time I’m pretty sure that they wouldv’e been more heavy handed with me for doing so. I subsequently asked the Sherriff’s Department Internal Affairs and wrote to Ms. Hutchens asking if they hadn’t learned their lesson from paying out millions for similar incidents? I’m still waiting for a response from either party and that was 18 months ago. Not even a phone call, letter, nada.

      • #45 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

        Who goes to Theo Lacy ?? I have lived in OC for 33 years and have never been there.

        • #46 by fullerton lover on September 8, 2011

          My kids and I were visiting the OC animal control center which is next door to Theo Lacy. These deputies had there backs to the window that we passed by and you could see that they were ALL playing solitaire at $30 an hour and I found it outrageous enough that I shot a video of it as proof.

    • #47 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 7, 2011

      Interesting thoughts on this blog for the future. The leaders of police departments and the command staff are 30 year cops from the old days and have adopted a mix of styles from those days and the current. The command staff in place at Fullerton isn’t going anywhere. So a new Chief and then do you think that the PD will change that much? Policies in place now are used by numerous PD’s across the US. Will be interesting to see. As I said, 2 years from now I will look at all the saved posts and compare them to the current at that time.

      • #48 by dixiejon on September 8, 2011

        so leave it all as is and forget this huh?

        • #49 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

          Nope. I have seen turnover and changes in PDs. They usually end up very similar in the long run.

          • #50 by fullerton lover on September 8, 2011

            At least we finally got the “camper” motorcycle officer to retire after spending most of his Fullerton PD career issuing speeding citations up and down the Euclid Avenue speed trap.

  12. #51 by Dan Williams on September 7, 2011

    Garo Mardirossian — what a great press conference. Amazing job. I’m overwhelmed by the presentation, it was masterfully done. Please, PLEASE keep up the fantastic work.

    • #52 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

      it is called 33%

  13. #53 by Anonymous on September 7, 2011

    One for the books :
    Regarding the DA, let’s just wait and see what he does before we pass judgement on him. Let’s just see what he decides to do.

    I will change the quotes for people…

    NOT ONE conviction against a cop in 15 years for abuse of the badge.. none..

    Looks like some point to him bring some up for charges and then leading you all on to make it look like he had no choice but to drop the case.. but little do you know HE KNOWSSSSSSSSS

    ^^^^^^^^^ If he has any family or children etc.. and HE PUTS COPS IN PRISON.. HMMMM

    He knows there are a lot of FPD rejects out there that will want revenge on him… so.. he fluffs and puffs them.. and calls in the fbi while pulling every string he has in the dept to get his boys leniency and maybe some

    1. Mental Disorder awareness training
    2. Proper methods of restraint for the mentally ill

    ^^^^^^^^^^ weekend courses online.. that is all he wants for the murderers

    • #54 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 7, 2011

      “NOT ONE conviction against a cop in 15 years for abuse of the badge..”

      So now it’s “not one conviction.” Hmm, the charge was formerly that T-rack had never even prosecuted a cop for excessive force in 15 years which was totally so I guess we are making progress here.

      Fact is OC juries, like juries nearly everywhere, generally side with the cops. Here’s a bit from the OC Weekly’s Scott Moxley that explains the situation with an example:

      “Orange County juries have a long, pathetic history of siding with cops, even obviously dirty ones. In one infamous case, an Irvine police officer disconnected the GPS unit in the trunk of his patrol car (so that dispatchers couldn’t track his whereabouts), tailed a woman outside of his jurisdiction, pulled her over on false pretenses, then masturbated and ejaculated on the shocked woman’s chest. DNA testing later matched this cop’s sperm with the sticky matter left on the woman, and yet a 2007 OC jury–mostly old, white men–couldn’t bring themselves to find the officer guilty of any crime.”
      http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/03/jury_is_deliberating_dana_poin.php

      So blame the DA if it makes you feel better about us, the citizens, but the truth is we get what we tolerate, and OC juries bend over backwards to give cops the benefit of the doubt. And the cops know this.

      In the case of the People vs. Deputy Christopher Hibbs, the prosecutor became so frustrated by the cops’ lies and sudden memory losses on the stand that he openly called them out in closing, talking to the jury about the “blue wall of silence.”

      http://www.ocweekly.com/2009-04-16/news/moxley-confidential/

      Suggestion: follow the links, read and learn.

      • #55 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 7, 2011

        Oops, make that: “the charge was formerly that T-rack had never even prosecuted a cop for excessive force in 15 years which was totally UNTRUE, so I guess we are making progress here.”

    • #56 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 7, 2011

      I’ve heard this a few times. First show some cases where charges should have been filed and weren’t. Then show me where the charges were filed and due to the DA the case was lost. I know it’s a big conspiracy but proof and facts are the only thing the public is going to listen to when it comes to election time.

  14. #57 by Vernon Dozier on September 7, 2011

    I’d love to hear what Dick Jones, MD has to say after reading these reports. I’m not being facetious either. He knows a lot more about medicine than he does local politics. Would be interesting to see if his attitude and tone changes any.

    • #58 by Hee Says Haw on September 7, 2011

      A little moonshine, a little oxytoxin ‘n go in peace.

    • #59 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 7, 2011

      Agreed

  15. #60 by step up on September 7, 2011

    MUDER…

    RECALL…

    JUSTICE!!!

  16. #61 by step up on September 7, 2011

    SORRY…

    MURDER…

    RECALL…

    JUSTICE!!!

  17. #62 by Steve Brow on September 7, 2011

    Dick Jones, as well as the rest of the Council, is still responsible for viewing the “city video”, the medical reports, and giving a report to the people of Fullerton as to what they intend to do about it. No matter what the City attorney advises them.

  18. #63 by infowarior on September 7, 2011

    Where are the trolls now? pretty hard to spin that hey trolls?

  19. #64 by Anonymous on September 7, 2011

    Yes, jaynbond’s still cryin’ over the previous blog.

  20. #65 by Annie Oakley on September 7, 2011

    Is it me or do some of the reporters have an “tude” towards Kelly Thomas Sr and the attorney.

    Maybe they’re cop ass kissers?

    • #66 by Disgusted on September 7, 2011

      You hit the nail right on the head Annie.

    • #67 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

      Maybe they have contempt for him like many of us.

      • #68 by Sean on September 8, 2011

        Many? Don’t you mean you and the 6-10 other blue devils who are desperately clinging to the hope that they will still get away with this murder?

        • #69 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

          No one ever expected or expects to get away with murder.

          • #70 by Sean on September 8, 2011

            I said hope, not expect. And quite obviously they do.

  21. #71 by Snow Hume on September 7, 2011

    I wish that the Discovery Channel or some other cable TV channel could produce some documentaries to educate the public about head injuries. People can die from head impacts even when there has been no injury to the skull, for a variety of reasons. Certain blood vessels of the head which are external to the skull are rather vulnerable; boxers have died from being hit there. I would very much like to know if Kelly had any fractures in his skull, or if all of the injuries resulted from “transmitted force” — the momentum goes through the skull, and into the brain. I would like to know if he was beaten on the back of the head with a baton; whether he was beaten on either side of the head with a baton; and to what extent his brain injury was caused by his forehead being slammed on the sidewalk. I know all of this is gruesome, but I think that a police department’s policies for restraining detainees and arrestees would be “informed” by such information about the mechanics of head injuries.
    If the FPD does have such policies in writing, I don’t see any reason why the FPD should not immediately release them, rather than wait for a formal Public Records Act request. If it does not, then perhaps it is time for the City of Fullerton’s City Council to adopt them, after some public process. [I have a hard time believing that there are not already some published guidelines and instructions, but you never know. The police everywhere have to spend a lot of time just to stay current on when and how it is legal to arrest people for various kinds of crimes.]
    Most people don’t know that the councilman “Dick Doc Jones” was a military physician, before he became a successful plastic surgeon. I think that he really could “inform” a public dialogue about the adoption of rules that govern how the police must treat a detainee’s head, as opposed to other parts of the body…. if such rules do not already exist.
    I also hope that there could be some kind of public dialogue about a return to the use of “wild animal nets”, which were used back in the late 70s and early 80s to restrain young men who were high on PCP and acting violent. I still don’t understand why the police coud not simply have “bagged” Kelly with such a net, rather than have to use human beings to “dog-pile” him.

    Can anyone out there tell me if there are formally-adopted FPD procedures that concern the treatment of the various bodily parts of detainees and arrestees?

  22. #72 by blah blah blah on September 7, 2011

    Annie Oakley :Is it me or do some of the reporters have an “tude” towards Kelly Thomas Sr and the attorney.
    Maybe they’re cop ass kissers?

    No, they can just smell a liar from a mile away.

    • #73 by dixiejon on September 8, 2011

      he lied about?……………………………………what?

      • #74 by Really??? on September 8, 2011

        In the press conference the dumb ass attorney said that Ron has always been there for Kelly! Really???? So why did kelly look like charles Manson ? No shirt, no shoes, no food! Ron for father of the year!! Really??? Kellys parents and family are to blame! They left him on the street and expected others to care for kelly now they are profiting off his death ! What a joke ! Ron should be ashamed to show is face!

        • #75 by Sean on September 8, 2011

          Way to regurgitate the standard FPD response. Pure ignorant mind vomit. And the “really” crap reeks of a 16yr old tool. Good job.

        • #76 by Stud Lee on September 9, 2011

          “the dumb ass attorney”

          Proof? Facts?

          “Ron has always been there for Kelly!”

          True. Their home was always open to Kelly. And they went to extreme lengths to try and force him into treatment. Glad to see you finally acknowledge this as opposed to your typical “ignore everything they did for him that might actually look good” attitude.

          “So why did kelly look like charles Manson ?”

          Maybe because a parent can’t legally control every facet of their 37 year old son’s life? Do you expect them to dress him every day? Maybe tie him down and shave him? To force him to sleep at home when he clearly refuses to do so? Maybe conduct brain surgery and fix the schizophrenia themselves?

          “expected others to care for kelly”

          Proof? What facts do you have that back this up? What evidence do you have that proves this supposed expectation?

          “Ron should be ashamed to show is face!”

          You should be ashamed to show your sadistic sociopathic lack of human feeling and compassion out in the open where everyone can see it. AND your fat face. I hope that someday decades from now you come back to re-read this site and regret smearing the family members of a brutally murdered son. Your very soul depends on it.

        • #77 by Peggy Rose on September 18, 2011

          What in Gods name does any of this have to do with how this man died?
          So because his family was not as involved as they should have been is what caused this man to be beaten to death? Have you lost your mind?
          These cops are sociopaths.

          Following are some of the characteristics of a sociopath.

          Glibness and Superficial Charm
          Manipulative and Conning
          They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

          Grandiose Sense of Self
          Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”

          Pathological Lying
          impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities.

          Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
          A deep seated rage.Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities.

          Shallow Emotions
          When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive.

          Incapacity for Love

          Need for Stimulation
          Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal.

          Callousness/Lack of Empathy
          Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

          Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
          Rage and abuse, Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

          Irresponsibility/Unreliability
          Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

          • #78 by SDLocal on September 18, 2011

            Thank you for the list, Peggy. You are correct.

            Nobody has lost their minds.

            This is why Kelly has an Army. Join us.

  23. #79 by Dr. Zillman on September 7, 2011

    Maybe this will put a little “spring” in the step of the “officials.”
    This is nothing but embarrassing for F.P.D. and the District Attorney’s office.

    • #80 by dixiejon on September 8, 2011

      nah, they just wanted to co-ordinate to cover anything that might come out. now they know what they can get away with a in their report.

  24. #81 by MeYou on September 7, 2011

    “HE WAS TASED MULTIPLE TIMES…”

    /cry

    why are some humans so incredibly cowardly

    Very sad EXPOSURE OF POLICE MENTALITY

    I told you all this before.. but what I have the BIGGEST problem with.. is NOT THE MURDER ITSELF

    THE SILENCE FROM THOSE IN THE KNOW… you all deserve worse punishment than the murderers themselves

    • #82 by dixiejon on September 8, 2011

      it is strictly about liability but it is too late. they admitted it with their offer to RT. he may have secretly copied the offer which is why they tried to deny it at first.

  25. #83 by levelthefield on September 7, 2011

    Unfortunately incidents such as we are now experiencing are what gave birth to the United States of America.
    READ and THINK about the Preamble to the CONSTITUTION, now is an opportune time to reclaim this SPIRIT.
    “…It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds..”
    –Samuel Adams

  26. #84 by Annie Oakley on September 7, 2011

    Blah Blah Blah – I say to you, BULLSHIT!

    Kelly’s dad and the attorney are liars? Really?

    If anyone is a liar, it’s you bud.

    The little global people all over the planet are sick of getting pushed around by these government bullies. Really sick of it.

    Little smart ass comments like yours are the reason why I hate most government employees. They’re useless turds who are sucking at the taxpayer tit. Taxpayers whom they hold in disdain and contempt.

    Have you ever been to the local DMV or government office?

    MOST of these government slobs are fat, unkempt, lazy, trollish ugly turds with a snarly attitude. The ONLY reason many of them have a job is because they either brownosed and kissed some serious ass or their momma or daddy had a connection to get them in.

    Taxpayers are running out of money, people are losing their jobs and pretty well much ran out of unemployment and patience.

    Our patience is wearing very thin with you government turds or government turd supporters.

    The vein of civility is slowing going away.

    I fear the day of the rope is soon approaching.

  27. #85 by Hee hawwwwww on September 7, 2011

    I just seen a glacier slides in the sea… if it done dont remind me of a tazer beatin a piece of ole kelly’s skull into his ole brain i’ll be a damn ole pole cat sittin on a fence waitin on a dirty homlessly guy to wander into my neighborsghood…. Hey Mckinleys youse is supposed ta beat the tars out dems smellys arsholes…. whats we payin ya fars? …. from “corrupt”

  28. #86 by Dr. Zillman on September 7, 2011

    Annie Oakley :
    Blah Blah Blah – I say to you, BULLSHIT!
    Kelly’s dad and the attorney are liars? Really?
    If anyone is a liar, it’s you bud.
    The little global people all over the planet are sick of getting pushed around by these government bullies. Really sick of it.
    Little smart ass comments like yours are the reason why I hate most government employees. They’re useless turds who are sucking at the taxpayer tit. Taxpayers whom they hold in disdain and contempt.
    Have you ever been to the local DMV or government office?
    MOST of these government slobs are fat, unkempt, lazy, trollish ugly turds with a snarly attitude. The ONLY reason many of them have a job is because they either brownosed and kissed some serious ass or their momma or daddy had a connection to get them in.
    Taxpayers are running out of money, people are losing their jobs and pretty well much ran out of unemployment and patience.
    Our patience is wearing very thin with you government turds or government turd supporters.
    The vein of civility is slowing going away.
    I fear the day of the rope is soon approaching.

    Excellent.

  29. #87 by Sellers on September 7, 2011

    Dont blame me… I am collecting a big ole pension.. I did not hire these one eyed, steroid raging cops….. Hell i went on vacation when the smelly homeless guy had a portion of bone rammed into his brain…. i was not responsible so please give me my big pension and let me off the hook for having a one eyed LAPD, POST reject on the payroll who beat a guy to death….I am a victim .. signed Sellers.

  30. #88 by corrupt on September 7, 2011

    ^^^^ I wrote this so the Trolls do not go crazy

  31. #89 by corrupt on September 7, 2011

    californiaopencarry.org

    why does this scare cops so bad… yes I practice even though i do not have too :)

  32. #90 by Donna on September 7, 2011

    How many mentally ill people have to die before something is done to stop the murders by police?
    There is so little compassion shown by so many for these poor people. My son is ill also. I am terrified that one day this will be his fate too.

  33. #91 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 7, 2011

    I have to say, watching the news conference on the KTLA site this morning was really something. When Mardirossian held up the blowup of the Report of Death with the cause listed as brain death, due to brain trauma, due to an assault, it was truly stunning.

    When criminal charges are brought I’m sure prosecutors will do the same thing, perhaps even leaving the blowup where the jury can look at those words for awhile, maybe even while the video plays. That might just be enough for a conviction, even with an OC jury!

  34. #92 by truthseeker on September 7, 2011

    What a day! The truth is standing on its own.

  35. #93 by Wrong Guy on September 7, 2011

    Hope it comes soon…..

  36. #94 by SDLocal on September 8, 2011

    Brain death, due to brain trauma, due to assault.

    Kelly inhaled so much of his own blood that his lungs could not transport sufficient oxygen to his brain, and he died.

    That, and the multiple taser blasts to his chest and back.

    For what — Kelly was a bother to a local bar? Is this really what is happening here?

    What is the reason for the inhuman cruelty here? What is Fullerton become, Mordor?

    Auschwitz?

    The FPD cracked Kelly’s skull.

    When did the FPD or any other “PD” gain the right to smash and pound an innocent man’s skull into the street until he drowns in his inhaled blood?

    This is so off the hook it’s inconceivable.

    The police violently, monstrously pounded this little dude to death like he was some kind of living video game.

    Bunny’s photos show a group of cops nonchalantly standing around and chatting while a pool of what appears to be Kelly’s blood is right at their feet.

    This is out of control. This is madness. selfish systemic madness.

    Fullerton government is awash in selfish systemic madness, and because of Kelly, the FPD is proving this to the world, right now.

    My best guess is that even the geezer jackasses in charge of the Fullerton ol’ boy game know their titties in the blender now.

    It’s not just Fullerton. It’s San Diego, Boston, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, NYC, Bumfuque and every other town in the land of the free.

    The OCDA is one of the loneliest gooberment puppets on the planet tonight. You know it. He knows it.

    I hope it hurts.

    Chickens can be a motherfucker when they come home to roost, and they’re coming.

  37. #95 by SDLocal on September 8, 2011

    Make that, “their titties are in the blender now.”

    And they are.

    • #96 by Anonymous on September 8, 2011

      It read just fine the way you wrote it first SD.

      Also, if that blender becomes powered on and cuts those double d man-titties off good ol’ Doc Hee Haw…I’m sure he’s still seen injuries much worse, lol.

  38. #97 by jerry on September 8, 2011

    Our former police chief and city councilman Pat McKinley on CNN:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt3WT3QJl0Y
    It troubles me to watch this video of McKinley downplaying and minimizing the severity of injuries…
    We will not tolerate his arrogance and contempt any longer,McKinley needs to go now.

  39. #98 by streets of fullerton on September 8, 2011

    there is on person responceable for the blunt force trauma on his face that caused his imminent death…. http://myimg.us/images/09.08.11/19989.jpg

    • #99 by Anonymous on September 8, 2011

      Good likeness, lol.

  40. #100 by still love fullerton on September 8, 2011

    i didn’t think it could get any worse, i was wrong..
    i knew it was bad, but to actually hear it ..
    truely sickens me..

    • #101 by soundguy on September 8, 2011

      me too!

  41. #102 by Michael G on September 8, 2011

    corrupt
    I’ll practice with you.. C’mon, everyone needs to support our right to bare arms. The members of LE need to know that they are not the judge or jury.

  42. #103 by still love fullerton on September 8, 2011

    michael i don’t think this is a good time for this..
    everyone is already on edge, it wouldn’t be a good idea to chance anything going wrong..

  43. #104 by Michael G on September 8, 2011

    I’ve never promoted that. I just want everyone to stop wasting energy on things that don’t matter
    Like cakes and others.

  44. #105 by still love fullerton on September 8, 2011

    cakes and the others are cop trolls
    we don’t waste time with them

  45. #106 by still love fullerton on September 8, 2011

    the peaceful protests are not wasting time in my opinion..
    and now the fundraiser this weekend..
    may ppl are putting alot of time and effort into this cause, to help the family
    i don’t know where you are going with your cause
    we all have the right to bear arms

  46. #107 by Michael G on September 8, 2011

    Oh, still love fullerton…
    I hear your concern.
    Not trying to take away from the primary matter at hand. Kelly, whom I knew at some level, was robbed of his life. Whatever your affiliation, dead is dead. Kelly will never contribute to our lives again. I truly miss him some days… Ron… I knew him, and I have spoken to you. Kelly’s army moves on

  47. #108 by Michael G on September 8, 2011

    still love fullerton
    are you talking to me?

  48. #109 by Michael G on September 8, 2011

    do you know what the right to bare arms means?

    More importantly, are you ready to defend that right?

    If you’re not, then complacency wins along with loss of freedoms.

  49. #110 by still love fullerton on September 8, 2011

    you may be mistaken about speaking w/me b4 unless youv’e had a diff nick.. i don’t recognize your name..
    the ppl that come here think of kelly and family every day.. and how this awful thing has affected their community, and how they are going to correct the problem.
    fullerton needs help with cleaning house, and healing the deep wound that the world has seen happen.
    that is the priority here right now, not gun control.
    respectfully..

  50. #111 by still love fullerton on September 8, 2011

    and yes i know what the right to bear arms means, what is your point ??

  51. #112 by Michael G on September 8, 2011

    gun control?
    Huhghhhh?

    Tomorrow. going to bed now

  52. #113 by still love fullerton on September 8, 2011

    think you have the wrong forum here…

  53. #114 by independent review on September 8, 2011

    In the United Kingdom, an independent organization known as the Independent Police Complaints Commission investigates reports of police misconduct. They automatically investigate any deaths caused by, or thought to be caused by, police action.

    This is what’s required in the US. Stop listening to police chiefs, mayors, city councils, states attorneys, attorneys general. Get the legislature to once and for all put an end to police “investigating” police.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Police_Complaints_Commission

    • #115 by Jt on September 8, 2011

      Not sure that would work well here. The tendency would be to side with the police. Much like in the UK:

      “In February 2008 over a hundred lawyers who specialise in handling police complaints resigned from its advisory body, citing various criticisms of the IPCC including a pattern of favouritism towards the police, indifference and rudeness towards complainants and complaints being rejected in spite of apparently powerful evidence in their support.[6]

      It has been noted that “no policeman has ever been convicted of murder or manslaughter for a death following police contact, though there have been more than 400 such deaths in the past ten years alone.”[7]“

  54. #116 by Xer on September 8, 2011

    Saw the images earlier today. Just read the medical reports.

    Medical Reports: So dry, so clinical, so sterile, so impersonal.

    “…frank discussion with family regarding poor prognosis…”

    Yeah, Ron Thomas killed his son when he “pulled the plug,” didn’t he? Or, was it when he “kicked Kelly to the curb?”

    Were I Ron Thomas, I’d want to “take a baseball bat” to more than just HeeHaw. I’d want to track down every asinine troll who has been on this site assaulting Kelly’s memory and splinter a brand new bat on each one’s donkey head. Give ‘em a little taste of what Kelly suffered. They [the trolls] deserve it as much as the FPD 6 do. Lucky for them I’m not Ron Thomas ’cause I’d buy the bats wholesale online.

    What utter and complete pigs, and I don’t mean cops, I mean filthy four legged SWINE animals. Those fools deserve NO claim to live in a civilized society. They should be rounded up and deposited on a small remote island with no food other than each other. Its what they deserve, no fire, no tools either, just their teeth and claws like any other beast. Not sure if they should even be provided a source of water on the island, or just let them drink their own fluids. One thing I am certain of, they should be afforded as much humanity as they have demonstrated here to the Thomas family. No more than that. My wife can tell you, Ron Thomas is in my thoughts every day. I’ve had tears in my eyes more in the last month than in the last twenty years. What was done to Kelly Thomas by POLICE OFFICERS is astonishing beyond words. I still have trouble wrapping my head around it. Excuse? There is no excuse. It doesn’t matter what happened to Jay Cincinelli. nothing excuses what was done to Kelly Thomas, NOTHING.

    • #117 by SDLocal on September 8, 2011

      If my dad was still alive, he would know what to call those annoying trolls. My dad has been dead for a long time, and when he was alive he didn’t know a hard drive from a hard boiled egg.

      But he knew an asshole when he encountered one, having successfully lived on this earth for a long, long time.

      He called them “dog pecker gnats.” That always cracked me up.

      He didn’t bother with the swarming assholes — dog pecker gnats — trying to block his way. He went forward and took care of his family and his business.

      FFFF is swarming with dog pecker gnats — assholes — these days. They’re getting more desperate and shrill as Kelly’s truth unfolds, and that’s cool, but so what?.

      I don’t know why you guys bother with them.

      • #118 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

        LOL

        • #119 by Xer on September 9, 2011

          He’s talkin’ about YOU, dog pecker gnat. lol

      • #120 by tigermanlsu on September 8, 2011

        AMEN THAT now get on the phone and make some call,s and don,t stop till the killer pig,s are under the jailhouse!

    • #121 by Justice for ALL on September 8, 2011

      @Xer,
      Thank you for putting into words PRECISELY what people all around the country are feeling and thinking.

      There is NO mitigating circumstance and NO EXCUSE that can lessen the HORROR and the sheer BRUTALITY of Kelly’s murder.

      There is NO mitigating circumstance and NO EXCUSE that will bring Kelly Thomas back to life.

      There is NO mitigating circumstance and NO EXCUSE allowing “peace officers” to MURDER Kelly Thomas under color of law with impunity.

      There is NO mitigating circumstance and NO EXCUSE for the D.A. to allow Kelly’s murderers to hide behind their badges.

      There is NO EXCUSE and NO mitigating circumstance that will be accepted for not putting Kelly Thomas’ murderers behind bars for life.

      There is NO EXCUSE and NO mitigating circumstance that will be accepted if WE THE PEOPLE, don’t demand that Kelly Thomas’ MURDERERS and all of their co-dependent apologists and enablers, who ACT IN OUR NAMES, be held accountable to the fullest extent possible according to the law.

  55. #122 by Robespierre on September 8, 2011

    God this is awful – what now?

    • #123 by tigermanlsu on September 8, 2011

      AMEN please email the doj,the doj the doj needs to step in your da is not a da of the people but of the killer cop,s

  56. #124 by 3sheets.tv on September 8, 2011

    highlights of the press conference
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el-zxhY0zxM

    • #125 by SDLocal on September 8, 2011

      Thank you 3sheets for your hard work and excellent presence on YouTube and beyond.

      Bravo. Congratulations on a continuing job well done.

      SDL

    • #126 by Xer on September 9, 2011

      Second SDLocal’s praise.

      Guys, LOVE the videos! Great work. Great cause.

      Two thumbs UP ^^ 8-)

      For What It’s Worth? How apropos. Perhaps it’s time for the change people put on hold fifty years ago? (loved the Billy Jack clip too–”I’m gonna put this foot on this side of your face, and there ain’t nothing you can do about it”–lol Who can ever forget the name, Bernard after seeing that movie?) So many people got lost in the ME thing (1970′s), and then the money thing (1980′s, and then the greed thing (1990′s), and then came 9/11 and The Patriot Act… Are folks finally remembering what they once believed in, a better America, a better world? Have we ceded too much power to the authorities, too much responsibility to the government. As many have pointed out in these blogs, it is good to review our history, our Constitution, and Bill of Rights from time to time. It’s good to remember why America came into being. It’s good to reread about the Founding Fathers, how they stood up to authority and built a great nation.

      “I cannot tell a lie:” I never expected to see a Black man elected President of the US. You don’t have to like Obama to respect his Historical significance. Will this too now come to pass? Will The People of Fullerton actually take back control of their city from the scoundrels and carpet-baggers? Would that I live long enough to see it.

  57. #127 by dmk on September 8, 2011

    TASE THE MAYOR !!!

    • #128 by tigermanlsu on September 8, 2011

      YALL MAYOR IS NO MAYOR AT ALL,I PRAY HE FALL,S DOWN AND BREAK,S HIS FAT HEAD.

  58. #129 by Anonymous on September 8, 2011

    The Pigs WILL burn in hell for what they ALL did to this human being.

  59. #130 by MeYou on September 8, 2011

    Fullerton Cakes Reality :
    I’ve heard this a few times. First show some cases where charges should have been filed and weren’t. Then show me where the charges were filed and due to the DA the case was lost. I know it’s a big conspiracy but proof and facts are the only thing the public is going to listen to when it comes to election time.

    Orange County cops must be angels.. eh.. 15 years seems a bit goofy if you ask me..

  60. #131 by Fullerton Rudy on September 8, 2011

    I rather like the idea of using the taser on anybody who will be using it late, you know, just so they kow what it feels like.

    OTOH this might only:

    1) Give some sick kicks to the giver and the receiver
    2) Fire up the sadists to really want to do it to somebody else. And often.

  61. #132 by Michael G on September 8, 2011

    still love fullerton
    That was a note to Ron Thomas, not you. Sorry for the confusion.

  62. #133 by Meadow Muffin on September 8, 2011

    This news conference brings up many interesting questions. Was asystoli caused by repeated tasering from two tasers being used at the same time repeatedly? Was brain death caused by the aspiration of blood from facial/skull injuries which lead to anoxia resulting in brain death? Where the taserings affects on the brains biochemical eletrical functioning and the anoxia caused by aspiration together the reasons for brain death? Don’t know when photo of Kelly in hospital was taken but his nostrils were packed with gauze and it looks like there was suction tubing entering his mouth with fresh blood in the tubing. There was no talk of cerebrospinal fluid leaking from skull so one could assume that the base of the skull was not fractured. The ethmoid bone was fractured, along with the zygomatic processes, which would indicate sustained blunt force trauma to the face. Worked many years ago in an ECT facility, if I can remember correctly, each session delivered about 5000 volts with 3 – 5 amps in short bursts. Kelly recieved numerous taserings, perhaps by two tasers simultaneously and for many minutes at a time. Can’t wait for information regarding the amount of times that these tasers were used per the taser registers.This man may have recieved the equivelant of god knows how many ECT sessions. At least two FPD officers will be charged with aggravated murder. I wonder if these are the same officers who intially claimed that they sustained broken bones as a result of restraining Kelly and then retracted these claims. This case is getting more interesting by the day.

    • #134 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

      You just explained to everyone why the DA has to wait for the coroners report.

      • #135 by fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

        WITH THE MEDICAL RECORDS OUT THERE, IN BLACK AND WHITE, THE CORONER IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PULL ANY FUNNY STUFF. AS I HAVE SAID FOR THE PAST MONTH, THE CORONER FINDINGS WILL BE: HOMICIDE: AT THE HANDS OF ANOTHER, DUE TO BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA AND ASPHYXIATION. THAT’S IT. HAVING THE MEDICAL RECORDS IN HARD COPY IN FRONT OF ME, THERE IS NO DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT THE TASERING, CONTRIBUTED TO HIS DEATH, ALTHOUGH IN SOME WAY, IT IS POSSIBLE!

    • #136 by fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

      THE BROKEN RIBS, MAY HAVE PUNCTURED HIS LUNGS AS WELL, CAUSING SOME BLOOD TO FLOOD THE AREA AS WELL. THE BRUISES ON HIS CHEST LINE UP PERFECTLY WITH THE LOCATION OF THE BROKEN RIBS! COMPARE THE PICS OFFERED THE OTHER DAY.

  63. #137 by Robespierre on September 8, 2011

    “I wonder if these are the same officers who intially claimed that they sustained broken bones as a result of restraining Kelly and then retracted these claims.”

    They probably got those broken bones as a result of beating the life out of that poor man.

    • #138 by Joe Blow on September 8, 2011

      No. The broken bones were pure fiction released by FPD in an attempt to sweep this situation under the rug. There were never any broken bones. They later came out and changed it to bruising or some other bs.

  64. #139 by Meadow Muffin on September 8, 2011

    Fullerton Cakes Reality
    Your tone has seemed to change from yesterday. Maybe it is just me who has changed. You are perfectly correct, we will have to wait for the coroner’s report. Do like the idea from the Brit, officer’s should not be investigating other officer’s in cases like this. Some type of review board may be need to be formed, one which can look at the facts objectively and take it out of the politacl arena. The atmosphere is just too charged right now and objectivity may be suffering.

    • #140 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

      Day to day.

      Officers aren’t investigating officers. That’s why in death or major incidents the DA’s office is called in to investigate. Separate entity. I know, people think it’s a combined conspiracy and the DA can’t do his job. I guess technically that’s why the feds can monitor.

      Supervisors investigate internally from an admin perspective.

    • #141 by fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

      THE CORONER IS GOING TO HAVE TO CONFIRM THE EXISTING MEDICAL RECORDS.

  65. #142 by fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

    AS MARDROSIAN SAID, THIS IS BLACK AND WHITE, AND NOT DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENED!

  66. #143 by fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

    IS THE RALLY IN FRONT OF T-RACK’S OFFICE STILL ON, OR IS THE ONE TODAY GOING TO TAKE IT’S PLACE?

  67. #144 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 8, 2011

    It occurs to me that for all any of us know, Ron Thomas and the OC DA are working together to pressure the coroner’s office into wrapping up, and with a report favorable to the prosecution of the officers involved in the murder of Kelly Thomas.

    All of you conspiracy buffs, think about it for minute: It wasn’t long ago that Mr. Thomas was saying that he was moving forward by working with the DA’s office. Then, a little over 3 weeks ago weeks ago, Ron told PBS that he had put in a request to meet personally with T-Rack.

    Then, just over a week ago, we had the DA telling the OCR that the investigation was nearing completion, and he publicly pressured the coroner’s office, specifically calling out the examiners for the hold up in resolving the question of charges.

    Now this week we have Ron Thomas and his attorney carefully stage managing the release of the medical records. First, KTLA, the most watched so cal station, was given the exclusive ‘teaser’ for the press conference, which they aired the night before. Then KTLA carried the press conference live on their website the next morning. At the conference Madirossian revealed the real juice that KTLA had not been given in the teaser: That Kelly’s doctors wrote in the ‘death report’ that the victim had died from head trauma due to an assault. Powerful stuff, of which I’m sure T-Rack was already well aware.

    If I’m right, the next move will be the DA’s. Expect to see more public pressure from T-Rack on the coroner’s office if they haven’t completed their report by the end of the week.

    • #145 by 401 W. Civic Center on September 8, 2011

      Yeah, he ran out of patience.

      • #146 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 8, 2011

        Maybe, or perhaps it was coordinated?

  68. #147 by MeYou on September 8, 2011

    Any idea why it is taking over 2 months to complete an autopsy/coroners report?

    I just read a bit on autopsy and coroner..

    Coroner is a “Political position”.. *truth

  69. #148 by 401 W. Civic Center on September 8, 2011

    It’s the Sheriff.

    • #149 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 8, 2011

      Yes, coroner=cops.

      DA does not equal cops.

      DA prosecutes cops.

      DA prosecutes cops almost always unsucessfully due to lack of cooperation from cop/witnesses and sypathetic-to-cops juries.

      Not too long ago an OC deputy DA got so frustrated by this that he called out the cops and declared to a jury in open court that there is a “blue wall of silence.”

      So where should we conclude that the problem is here now? With the DA or the coroner?

      Connect the dots folks, it’s not that hard.

      http://www.ocweekly.com/2009-04-16/news/moxley-confidential/

      Here’s a little more reading for y’all:

      OC Deputies Outraged That DA Attacked Their Honesty; Demand Top Resignation!

      By R. Scott Moxley

      … usually in lockstep, Orange County law enforcement bitterly split ranks… Specifically, the Orange County District Attorney’s office sparked a public feud with local sheriff’s deputies, whom prosecutors believe sabotaged their just-ended excessive force case against Deputy Christopher David Hibbs….

      …the gauntlet came down this afternoon when Wayne J. Quint, head of the Association of Orange County Sheriffs Deputies (AOCDS)–described deputies as “outraged.”

      “The District Attorney’s comments about a ‘code of silence’ are an insult to all law enforcement personnel across this state and nation,” Quint said in a written statement. “The AOCDS demands the following from District Attorney Rackauckas: Immediately issue a public apology for your office’s slanderous statements regarding ethical and law-abiding law enforcement officers and that a code of silence exists at the Orange County Sheriff’s Department.

      After calling (deputy DA spokesperson Susan Kang) Schroeder an “underachiever,” Quint demanded she resign because she has “no intelligent understanding of what law enforcement officers do day-in and day-out.” …

      http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2009/04/oc_deputies_outraged_that_da_a.php

      • #150 by Anonymous on September 8, 2011

        OC Deputies Outraged That DA Attacked Their Honesty; Demand Top Resignation!

        Dear Deputies,

        An attack on your honesty is usually what follows when you change your testimony and develop sudden cases of amnesia…also known as lying.

        Regards,
        Common Sense

      • #151 by Jt on September 9, 2011

        Of course you’re right to some extent, but I think you should take a more nuanced view. The DA’s office generally does NOT like to prosecute LE officers because they depend on them for testimony to win trials, they are usually on the same side (much more often than not) and because the DA is an elected position which needs the support of the “law and order” voter and benefits from campaign donations by prison guard and police officer unions.

  70. #152 by FEDUPWITHFEDUP on September 8, 2011

    I LOVE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS. I LOVE TO HEAR MYSELF TALK. I LOVE TO PUT OTHER PEOPLE DOWN. I CANT TAKE CRITICISM, BUT I LOVE TO GIVE IT. ANYONE WHO OPPOSES ME I LABEL THEM “COP” OR “TROLL”. MY NAME IS “FEDUPWITHMORONS” AND I AM A BULLY JUST LIKE ONE-EYED SISSYNELLI

    • #153 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

      LOL LOL LOL

      • #154 by Xer on September 9, 2011

        Wow! looks like she’s really gotten under you boyz skin.

        lol lol lol

    • #155 by tigermanlsu on September 8, 2011

      THEN YOU ARE THE ONE, THAT,S NOT WELL IN THE HEAD. ARE HEART MAY GOD HEVE MERCY ON YOU !!! AND YOUR CITY EVIL HAS COME TO FULLERTON.

  71. #156 by FEDUPWITHMORONS on September 8, 2011

    BLABLABLA I JUST CANT SEEM TO SHUT MY PIEHOLE…

    • #157 by Stud Lee on September 9, 2011

      I see your point. This is a very astute observation. Please continue commenting.

  72. #158 by FEDUPWITHMORONS on September 8, 2011

    CANT TELL ME ANYTHING BECAUSE I ALREADY KNOW IT ALL

    • #159 by Stud Lee on September 9, 2011

      The sheer genius of this comment transcends this entire blog. You win and all opposed to you lose.

  73. #160 by FEDUPISADOUCHE on September 8, 2011

    “WITH THE MEDICAL RECORDS OUT THERE, IN BLACK AND WHITE, THE CORONER IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PULL ANY FUNNY STUFF. AS I HAVE SAID FOR THE PAST MONTH, THE CORONER FINDINGS WILL BE: HOMICIDE: AT THE HANDS OF ANOTHER, DUE TO BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA AND ASPHYXIATION. THAT’S IT. HAVING THE MEDICAL RECORDS IN HARD COPY IN FRONT OF ME, THERE IS NO DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT THE TASERING, CONTRIBUTED TO HIS DEATH, ALTHOUGH IN SOME WAY, IT IS POSSIBLE!”

    So glad you cleared it all up for us Skippy! HAVE YOU GOTTEN HELP FOR THAT NARCISSISTIC THING YET?

    • #161 by Xer on September 9, 2011

      FEDUPISADOUCHE on September 8, 2011
      “So glad you cleared it all up for us Skippy! HAVE YOU GOTTEN HELP FOR THAT NARCISSISTIC THING YET?”

      Hum, how interesting the sociopaths and psychopaths are always so quick to label others narcissists, a charge they are far more guilty of than those they accuse.

      The truth coming out stings your little trolly behinds, so unable to lie and obfuscate the facts away, you will shift attention this week by rat packing fedupwithmorons as you have others in the past? Funny how you boyz behavior on this blog so clearly reflects the FPD 6′s behavior toward Kelly Thomas. You are scared out of your tiny wits to go one on one with anyone on the street or on a blog. Why? B e c a u s e y o u a r e y e l l o w b a c k e d c o w a r d s. See?

      See how simple it is when someone speaks to you reeeal slooow?

      Six guys over 250 pounds each, WITH TASERS to subdue one 135 pound malnourished homeless guy? No wonder you boyz were rejected for military service. You could never have handled real action. My God! In Afghanistan the people you attack are even able fight back!

      Cowards. Punks. Sissies. Much safer to be a cop where no one else can carry a gun and taser except YOU. Gutless wannabe heroes. Even WOMEN are allowed in the US Armed Forces, but NO COWARDS need apply. Guess all that leaves is the FPD, right?

      So glad I could clear it all up for you, Skippy! Have you sought help for that narcissistic psycho-sociopath thing yet, SKIPPY?

  74. #162 by HEY FED UP... on September 8, 2011

    I AM TYPING IN ALL CAPS SO YOU CAN READ THIS. HAVE YOU FIGURED OUT WHETHER THAT WAS THE FIRST OR SECOND ROLL OF FILM THAT BUNNY TURNED IN YET? LAFFING AT YOU!

  75. #163 by Voice of OC on September 8, 2011

    The Orange County Sheriff-Coroner’s office will have autopsy results “soon” on the death of Kelly Thomas, the seriously schizophrenic transient who died two months ago after being beaten by Fullerton police.

    “I don’t have an exact time table,” said Sheriff-Coroner spokesman Jim Amormino late Wednesday. “I would say a short period of time.”

    He emphasized the Coroner’s office was “not going to rush. We’re going to do a thorough job and we’re not going to be rushed. We can’t take shortcuts.”

    Amormino said concerns that the Sheriff-Coroner’s office would deliberately delay an investigation to help protect police officers are “pure nonsense.”

    “Nobody’s protecting anybody,” he said. “Please quote me as saying that’s nonsense because it is nonsense.”

    http://www.voiceofoc.org/oc_north/article_894346e4-da4b-11e0-8abd-001cc4c03286.html

    • #164 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 8, 2011

      Thanks for posting this VOC.

      Sheriff-Coroner spokesman Jim Amormino *might* be telling the truth: With Kelly Thomas’ heart issues in addition to the direct effects of the beating, it does seem like a complicated autopsy.

      But if there is an attempted delay to let things blow over and protect the cops involved, this would be where it would be taking place, among fellow non-elected officials with civil service protection.

  76. #165 by Hey FED UP? on September 8, 2011

    CARE TO INTERPRET THE CORONERS REPORT FOR US SINCE WE ARE ALL TOO STUPID. PRETTY PLEASE??? I DONT MEAN TO BE A PEST, BUT YOU ARE SOOOO MUCH SMARTER THAN THE REST OF US TROLLS. AS SOON AS YOU GET A COPY OF THAT REPORT LET US KNOW OKAY???

  77. #166 by Hey FED UP? on September 8, 2011

    BY THE WAY, FIGURED OUT WHICH ROLL OF FILM IS WHICH YET?

    • #167 by Stud Lee on September 9, 2011

      Lay off the vodka, son.

  78. #168 by jerry on September 8, 2011

    Have a look at Pat McKinley’s attempt to downplay and minimize the severity of the injuries recently on CNN:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt3WT3QJl0Y

    McKinley’s arrogance just makes me sick….
    Fullerton deserves better,he has to go.

  79. #169 by Anonymous on September 8, 2011

    Them cops going to the klink! Murderous thugs! I just hope they arrest all them other gov employees helping to delay and cover up and lie for obstructing justice. Time to let the raw food people out of the jails to make room for the violent bullies who beat, cage and kill peace loving Citizens.

  80. #170 by Mayor Dick on September 8, 2011

    Lets not jump to conclusions here…let’s wait and see how the cover-up…AHEM I mean investigation turns out

  81. #171 by Fedupwithmorons on September 8, 2011

    The 6 are clinging like lint balls to their wool uniforms! Bwwwaahhhhh!

  82. #172 by 440 Dodge on September 8, 2011

    God damn these cops. They all should be in jail. Anyone else involved not wearing a badge would have been sitting in jail for over a month now. How is society expected to respect ‘authority’ when this type of horseshit is thrown up in our faces??

    Justice will be 25+ year prison sentences for all six cops. Adding to this crime, no Fullerton officer had the balls or character to step in and stop the action. The party is over Fullerton PD.

    • #173 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

      You really think that? If so you are setting yourself up for more disappointment. Think realistically at least.

  83. #174 by truthseeker on September 8, 2011

    Their goose is a cookin’ folks

  84. #175 by tigermanlsu on September 8, 2011

    where IS THE DA,where IS THE DA ? IS EVERY ONE FROM THE THE TOP DOWN DRITY IN FULLERTON ? TAKE BACK FULLERTON PEOPLE STAND UP MAN AM SICK THIS COVER-UP IS SICKING. GOD HAVE MERCY WHERE THERE IS NONE. I THANK GOD I DON,T LIVE IN FULLERTON Y LORD I PRAY THE LIGHT SHINE,S IN THE DARK HEART,S IN THE FPD.

    • #176 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

      Thank god you don’t live here.

  85. #177 by WishfulSinful on September 8, 2011

    I hope and pray so much for justice, but my entire life, these kinds of things have gone on unpunished. Dear Lord, renew my faith. Bring Justice. Remain silent and confirm what I have come to know in my heart. There really IS no justice only folly

    • #178 by tigermanlsu on September 8, 2011

      O GOD don,t sleep my friend,and JUSTICE is not allway,s delt out in a court room.

    • #179 by fullerton lover on September 8, 2011

      My understanding of most of our society is that most people are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident or extreme provocation. They are sheep. Then there are the wolves, and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy. Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You’d better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial. I’m a sheepdog and I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf.

      If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who who can walk into the heart of darkness and walk out unscathed.

      I know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

  86. #180 by 440 Dodge on September 8, 2011

    The entire Fullerton police department should be tested for HGH steroid use as well. State and Federal legislation should be passed to make it a FELONY for pubic safety officers to use or possess HGH steroids for obvious reasons. ‘Roid rage’ has contributed to the lawlessness and wildly out of control behavior we frequently see with police and sheriffs nationwide. If the law enforcement community cannot step up and properly deal with this HGH problem and the behavioral problems associated, the public then has every legal right to take necessary measures into their own hands to protect oneself or others in a situation like this one, whereby public safety officers are wildly out of control with a suspect.

    • #181 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

      Dodge. I agree with your belief about roids and HgH testing. I have never seen any type of random testing in law enforcement in my 25 years. I wouldn’t be against it but the hardest part to get any agreement would be the process. Cops would never agree to something involving the city because they would go with a cheap little medical facility with a poor chain of custody. To get proper testing it would be very expensive. I just read the story of Diana Taurasi in the Sports Illustrated and her test is a perfect example of a tainted test and if not for her being rich she would have been out of sports forever.

      The other thing is your belief roids is rampant in police work. Why do you feel this way? Just because of the anger in this incident? If you lined up the 6 cops mentioned in this incident, do you think they will look like body builders or roid users? I find your belief odd because I hear more talk of fat cops than roid cops. I really can say I knew one guy in 25 years that I thought was on roids. I don’t see rage like you describe at all either.

      • #182 by 440 Dodge on September 8, 2011

        I can tell you that probably 4 or 5 out of every 10 cops I see on a daily basis look / appear to be juicing or using HGH. Today for instance while at a 7-11 getting lunch I saw a young sheriff with HUGE arms and chest with tattoos, veins popping out, camel hump neck and shoulders. This ain’t normal development and my bet is $500 this cop is using. When HGH cops are challenged by a suspect in any manner, the sky is the limit on what could happen – and that is the point. Therefore all cops should be subjected to HGH tests in order to clean up this public relations problem. HGH use adversely effects a cop’s ability to properly control their temperment in high pressure situations. Yes there are plenty of fat /portly cops as well and they can throw their weight around when needed. Police and sheriffs choose their careers, they aren’t drafted, and this type of performance by FPD is criminal. No excuse for it. All six should be in prison.

        • #183 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

          Yea I can see that. I guess there will be people on HGH in every profession including police. Staying in shape is a priority for alot of cops so just because muscular doesn’t mean due to drugs. I know many muscular guys that appear they could be on HGH but I know they aren’t. Testing would be the only way. I just know a testing process would be tough.

          Yes we do choose and many quit or can’t make it. I love it. Always have.

          All six won’t be in prison. I’ll leave that up to the DA, and a jury if it comes to that.

          • #184 by tigermanlsu on September 8, 2011

            o yes it dose. murder some cop and see if any body cars now in fullerton i don,t thank so thay will say he got what was going to him

          • #185 by Xer on September 9, 2011

            …I know many muscular guys…

            Yeah, baby cakes. Bet you know LOTS of muscular guys.

          • #186 by 440 Dodge on September 9, 2011

            “All six won’t be in prison.”

            LOL….now that is optimism with rose colored glasses. Let me tell ya FCR, if the State cannot make its case, guess what happens next?? The DOJ’s Civil Rights division will step in and make the case one way or another. These FPD six basically “shit in their mess kits” for lack of better English. These FPD thugs aren’t going to skate – that much I’ll tell you for SURE. Their careers are ruined.

      • #187 by Stud Lee on September 9, 2011

        “The other thing is your belief roids is rampant in police work. Why do you feel this way?”

        Good question. Every LEO I personally know does the roids. Is it such a shock to you that everyone sees your hypocrisy?

    • #188 by tigermanlsu on September 8, 2011

      YOU are so right on top of it now!!!!

  87. #189 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

    Question? where was all the outrage when this was happening? Why didn’t someone call 911 and say these cops are killing this man? Why didn’t anyone in that huge crowd yell PLEASE HELP. If all six officers were busy beating the crap out of him maybe the distraction would have helped. Why didn’t the bus drivers call the police or their supervisors?

    I am just saying? everyone just stood around and said “did you see that” The PD should have been flooded with calls that night, bring to light that something happened in DTF, That night.

    Poor Kelly first his family failed him and then everyone there that night failed him.

    • #190 by Save US from the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

      Yeah, that’s it. It was the shocked bystanders’ fault. And Ron Thomas. Of course.

      NOT the cops whose #$%#$%@#$% you’ve sucked your whole life. THEY certainly didn’t fail Kelly at all. Nope. Perfect angels. Let’s SAVEEEEEEE them (and then focus on SAVING the Chinese panda and other endangered species).

    • #191 by merijoe on September 8, 2011

      call 911? serious? thats not a joke? People didnt intervene for fear they would be next and there were witnesses who yelled at these psychos to stop and to just handcuff him.

      These vampire devils were stealing cameras from people and intimidating people, like they did in nazi germany to the jews.

      poor Kelly

    • #192 by 401 W. Civic Center on September 8, 2011

      Ho ho ho!!

      Call 911! Please, send more cops!

    • #193 by Xer on September 9, 2011

      Possibly, trollface, people were so stunned by the unbelievable happening right in front of them, OUT OF CONTROL COPS beating a little guy to death, they were in a state of shock. It wouldn’t be surprising to learn many of the ones there that night later asked themselves the same questions you just asked.

      Of course cops carry guns and most people’s survival instinct kicks in when confronted by armed maniacal murderers. Just sayin.’

      • #194 by Xer on September 9, 2011

        Above post was to SAVE the Fullerton Cops

    • #195 by Stud Lee on September 9, 2011

      “Why didn’t someone call 911 and say these cops are killing this man?”

      Is this a serious question?

      “Why didn’t anyone in that huge crowd yell PLEASE HELP.”

      Great point. The cops are beating the sh*t out of some guy and yet somebody yelling “PLEASE HELP” would cause them to back off? Your drugs are better than mine.

      “If all six officers were busy beating the crap out of him maybe the distraction would have helped. ”

      I seriously LOLed.

      “Poor Kelly”

      Don’t pretend you care about him you lying sack of sh*t.

      “everyone there that night failed him.”

      If by “everyone”, you mean “the cops who killed him”, and by “failed him” you mean “beat him to death”, then yes, everyone there that night failed him.

  88. #196 by merijoe on September 8, 2011

    Worth reprinting from “Green”

    Wow. Read this anonymous letter to the editor of the Observer;

    All are Terrible

    “I am a former Fullerton police officer who
    worked with the six accused of beating Kelly
    Thomas. Two officers are directly responsible
    for the death; one has been a ticking time
    bomb for years. He lives in Corona. Both the
    Fullerton and Corona Police Depts. have covered up his numerous previous altercations.
    All six are terrible police officers and
    deserve to go to prison for manslaughter, pergury, and lying on police reports.
    Chief Sellers is a disgrace to the profession.
    He has made it his captains’ mission to find
    out who is the “leak” at the department and
    has said not only will that officer be terminated, he will be prosecuted. For what? Telling the truth?
    I left the department because it is corrupt
    and full of “Good ol Boys Clubs,” but I still
    know people at FPD. They are appalled by
    the actions of the six officers. The man who
    died, did not need to die.”

    http://www.fullertonobserver.com/artman/uploads/foearlysept.pdf

    So which of the six had a home address in Corona?

  89. #197 by WishfulSinful on September 8, 2011

    Who had an address in Corona? Probably the same stalker cop that gave me several tickets for having a “Nice” car that was better than He could afford. He lied too after He passed me in Anaheim on his way home doing 90+ mph. Wrote me up for petty shit because He was a pussy boy. Drives home EVERYDAY in the carpool lane doing over 90mph. Cost me well over $600 in tickets for doing nothing more than He has done on his way home to the Inland Empire. HYPOCRITE! He knows me and I know Him. Someday He will probably trump some shit up on me because He is insecure. He is pissed because I know his address. He is tyed up with the Fitch people. Got an attitude. Threw my license and insurance card at me while He was way out of His jurisdiction. Aber I just dont get it. Crombie

    • #198 by fullerton lover on September 8, 2011

      Officer Abercrombie is the same motorcycle officer that worked the speed trap on Euclid for years before deeding the franchise over to Officer Frances. I just heard recently that he “retired”.

  90. #200 by Jaynbond on September 8, 2011

    Marijo: I read the anon letter to editor. Why is he remaining anonymous if he feels so strongly about all of this?

    • #201 by merijoe on September 8, 2011

      I guess because he still has friends on the force at fullerton, I wish he would have named names though-it is what it is

    • #202 by Johnny Donut on September 8, 2011

      Lots ‘o people wish to be anonymous when outing killers.

    • #203 by merijoe on September 8, 2011

      while Im thinkin about it you feel strongly dont you Jaynbond? whats your real name?

      • #204 by Xer on September 9, 2011

        lol

        Very good, MJ

  91. #205 by WishfulSinful on September 8, 2011

    @JohnnyDonut- Well Ya! Especially paid killers that can torture us to death or throw us in jail for BULLSHIT charges. Fact is, NO ONE is exempt. Just depends on HOW bad they need you to SHUT-UP.

  92. #206 by WishfulSinful on September 8, 2011

    They already know who I am tho’. We will see what happens

  93. #207 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

    I think anyone that commits murder hopes they get away with it.

    Sean :
    I said hope, not expect. And quite obviously they do.

    • #208 by Sean on September 8, 2011

      A simple, true statement. However not so simple in this case, is it?

      Anyone who is not a cop and commits murder, would be detained, awaiting trial and/or sentencing. Forced to accept the consequences of their actions, hoping for leniency.

      Not quite the same kind of hope when you have a badge and a corrupt system protecting you.

      • #209 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

        You may think that’s true, but it’s really not.

        Let’s say you and another guy decide to fight. You fight and he dies at the scene. You stay there and you say that he came at you and in self defense you fought back. There are 25 witnesses that saw everything.

        The cops don’t know exactly what happened. They talk to people, some say it was all you, some say self defense, some say it was the other guy.

        The cops take you to jail and book you. Now the DA has 48 hours to file charges and arraign you. But if the case still has questions, witnesses need to be interviewed in depth, businesses swept for cameras, blood tests, coroner report, etc, then you have to be released pending the investigation of the case. It happens often.

        In this case, if the DA felt there might be enough to have a case eventually, he could have arrested whoever he wanted. Problem is they would be released in a day because of lack of evidence to arraign them. Then we are in the same spot as of now and the city or county could be open to liability if it was proven that the arrests were just done as a PR stunt and there was no evidence to show that the other 4 did anything at all.

        That’s a short version and I probably missed some key points but I see what you are saying, but that’s not always true for a variety of reasons. I haven’t taken people to jail for felonies before just because I wasn’t positive, and I knew that the gang guys or homicide robbery guys could get the best information during their follow up.

        • #210 by Sean on September 8, 2011

          Well, right off the bat I’ll concede 100% that you are right that nothing is that black and white (no pun intended) But here’s the thing, if I’m in an altercation where someone dies as a result and I am confident that it was justifiable and could be proven so, I am going to cooperate fully with the authorities and let due process run its course. And own my responsibility….I’d have no choice but to. Anything less would rightfully raise suspicion.

          In this case, the officers in question have done the opposite. Just ran and hid. And from the average persons perspective it just looks like they have something to hide. If they did no wrong, all of the supporting evidence would have been released to exonerate them and they would all be back on patrol now… I’m guessing. Probably an over simplification, but they’ve not produced anything to dispute the allegations. And until they do, it just doesn’t look good no matter how it’s spun.

          • #211 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

            Very true. That part is unfortunate but part of the process no matter what. Same thing in shootings. You will never hear from the cops, and short statements by the city and police.

  94. #212 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

    Save US from the Fullerton Cops :Yeah, that’s it. It was the shocked bystanders’ fault. And Ron Thomas. Of course.
    NOT the cops whose #$%#$%@#$% you’ve sucked your whole life. THEY certainly didn’t fail Kelly at all. Nope. Perfect angels. Let’s SAVEEEEEEE them (and then focus on SAVING the Chinese panda and other endangered species).

    I guess if I say lock them up… no questions asked…. FPD sucks would be happy. Sorry

    50 people is more than 6 cops, and blowing up the phones to the FPD shouting foul would have brought some attention to and incident that night trust me.

    Thats OK… I will go back to blaming Ron Thomas for leaving his son on the streets to ROT because HAD he helped his son he would not have there in the first place.

    Had his son been killed by “a gang” or another transient? Ron Thomas would be silent because there would no one he could sue for millions. He would not be “contributing ” to the homeless. No one would have known who he is. Now we all know he is douche bag…..

    • #213 by Xer on September 9, 2011

      Ah, showing your true colors again.

      You are slightly, ever so slightly, less disgusting when you are honest, murder excuser.

      • #214 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

        :)

  95. #215 by WishfulSinful on September 8, 2011

    I see you guys. Everynight. Over there in the DMV parkinglot. Way back in the back at Euclid and Valencia. What are you doin’ back there? Ever beat anyone to death? AM I NEXT? I have all my stuff locked-up where you cant find it. My wife already has it lined out. What cracks me up is how sometimes there is a “regular car” parked out there talkin to you guys. Is that some explorer/cadet wannabe takin’ lessons? or some poor girl that needs a favor? Does the public have a right to know? We dare not ask. End up in jail on some trumped up BS. What would you say if I had you on nightvision video for the last couple years? You know there is a restaurant right across the street? Right? You know that eves-dropping devices are cheap right? You know there are trees and fences in that parking lot right? I am not saying I did any of that, but would it NOT be just as legal for US to listen in on THEM as they do us? HMMM I wonder what you guys talk about out there in the DMV lot in the dark?

    • #216 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

      Cars are a cops office. Writing reports, taking breaks, eating, making a phone call, or whatever else goes on in an everyday office. Really.

      Yes, if you were to video or audio any cop and find wrongdoing they will get in trouble. Guaranteed. Show me any video or audio where a cop didn’t get in trouble? You have a right to know they got in trouble, you just don’t get told the extent of discipline.

      Go for it. Record away. You might get some good stuff. Cops do it in every city. Part of the job.

      • #217 by tigermanlsu on September 8, 2011

        maybe this place is where thay can catch a 38 s.one night just saying lot of nut,s and mad people around now in fullerton

      • #218 by fedupwithmoronsTWO on September 8, 2011

        Yeah asshole, you left one thing out of your cops car inventory…car cars are rolling bedrooms!

        • #219 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

          BJs?

    • #220 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

      WishfulSinful :I see you guys. Everynight. Over there in the DMV parkinglot. Way back in the back at Euclid and Valencia. What are you doin’ back there? Ever beat anyone to death? AM I NEXT? I have all my stuff locked-up where you cant find it. My wife already has it lined out. What cracks me up is how sometimes there is a “regular car” parked out there talkin to you guys. Is that some explorer/cadet wannabe takin’ lessons? or some poor girl that needs a favor? Does the public have a right to know? We dare not ask. End up in jail on some trumped up BS. What would you say if I had you on nightvision video for the last couple years? You know there is a restaurant right across the street? Right? You know that eves-dropping devices are cheap right? You know there are trees and fences in that parking lot right? I am not saying I did any of that, but would it NOT be just as legal for US to listen in on THEM as they do us? HMMM I wonder what you guys talk about out there in the DMV lot in the dark?

      LOL that is just funny. They have been hanging there since I can remember… More than 25+ years. LMAO

      • #221 by Stud Lee on September 9, 2011

        “LMAO”

        Yeah right, that would take a TON of laughing.

        • #222 by Xer on September 9, 2011

          lol

  96. #223 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

    For all of you who don’t like Fullerton, OC, the PD or the people who run it??? here is a new one…

    MOVE , RUN

    Put you money where your mouth is and spend it else where. PLEASE

    • #224 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

      And those who think public executions via beating are a-ok (like I do), please stay.

      We can start an all slapping Fight Club, yay!

    • #225 by Jt on September 9, 2011

      We had a better idea. Clean house. We’ll stay and do that instead.

    • #226 by Xer on September 9, 2011

      Put you money where your mouth is and spend it else where. PLEASE

      No problem, we already made arrangements. Were tentatively planning a trip to Disneyland, just me and the great-grandma–no kids, no grandkids, just two old fogies having a lark, and probably doing a day at Knottsberry Farm too (LOVE their jellies). I haven’t been either place since a kid. She’s never been to Knottsberry Farm. It would have been real fun for late August, early September, when it cools down a little? Changed our plans after learning about the the Kelly Thomas MURDER/COVER-UP. We are now planning a visit to the ocean in Oregon instead. Since it’s less far we will have more money to spend there anyway. So, you got your wish. Wonder how many other folks in America that had planned late summer vacations in California have changed their plans from fear of psychocops? Guess we’ll never know, but hey, at least YOU are happy, right? Way to encourage tourism for the State! Wadda sweetheart.

      Seriously love that ocean air, and Oregon’s beaches are great in the summer. This will be good! Thanks for the well wishes. (smooch)

      • #227 by fedupwithmorons on September 10, 2011

        THE SLIDE BAR ALSO NEEDS TO BE BOYCOTTED, GIVE THEM A TASTE OF THEIR OWN MEDICINE!

  97. #228 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

    #183 use your own moniker. Not mine and don’t put words in my mouth. I can do it on my own. Thanks

  98. #229 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

    Peace out. Going to The Summit House for dinner. Not really in the mood for Downtown.

    • #230 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

      Bring your dog.

    • #231 by merijoe on September 8, 2011

      pay your bill

      • #232 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

        Always have. Good tips too.

        • #233 by Stud Lee on September 9, 2011

          “Always have.”

          Liar.

          • #234 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

            Would you like to bet me? You spew a lot of cum for a stud.

  99. #235 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

    SAVE the Fullerton Cops :#183 use your own moniker. Not mine and don’t put words in my mouth. I can do it on my own. Thanks

    Not me…

    SAVE the Fullerton Cops :And those who think public executions via beating are a-ok (like I do), please stay.
    We can start an all slapping Fight Club, yay!

    Get your own moniker. Thanks.

  100. #236 by WishfulSinful on September 8, 2011

    Live and Let Live. Not looking for trouble. Want an honest life here. You just never know when a one-eyed cop will decide it’s your turn for a good thrashing because His ol’ lady wont give him any pu$$y. Sorry but true

    • #237 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

      Very true. But I think there is that risk anywhere in the world when it comes to policing and always will. There will always be a few bad cops here and there, just a matter of finding them sooner rather than later. I’ve seen at least 25 cops get fired in my career. For the things they got fired for, I was happy to see them go.

  101. #238 by WishfulSinful on September 8, 2011

    @Fullerton Cakes- then why the blue code. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Get rid of the dirt. That’s what seperates you from the gang bangers. If you go along you are trash, period.

    • #239 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

      I agree. I also feel the blue code is overblown and old school. The last 15 years at least, everyone i know operates under the philosophy of I’m not doing shit to cover up some mistake you make that will cost me my job or freedom. Fuk that. So I feel different about this whole huge blue code thing. If I beat someone because it’s the force that is authorized for that battle, I’m documenting everything I do and so is everyone else. Photos, video, everything. Nothing to hide. So that’s my opinion. In this case, I don’t see the blue code yet. I know it’s preached by the people that want to see it that way. But no one said there was no investigation going on, and no one has seen the reports to show that someone was covering something up. We will learn everything soon enough.

  102. #240 by WishfulSinful on September 8, 2011

    Your post was a little ambiguous but It’s a start. Again, right is right, wrong is wrong. What side are YOU on? If you were there that night would you tell the truth or tell what the blue brothers would want you to say? Tell the truth! That’s what is expected of us!

    • #241 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

      Yep truth. If I was one of the first two, it’s a fight until he’s under control. The other 4 wouldn’t have had to do anything. Arrival of the other 4 is key in this case.

      • #242 by john doe on September 8, 2011

        Yep…Its easier said than done. Obviously the first two couldn’t control the wako. That is why others were called.

        • #243 by Save US from the Fullerton Cops on September 8, 2011

          By “wacko,” I can only assume the amoral gorilla who pummeled Kelly in the face, causing his death. That’s the “wacko” you mean, right, sociopath??

          • #244 by john doe on September 9, 2011

            You know who I meant..ass wipe.

  103. #245 by MeYou on September 8, 2011

    SAVE the Fullerton Cops :
    For all of you who don’t like Fullerton, OC, the PD or the people who run it??? here is a new one…
    MOVE , RUN
    Put you money where your mouth is and spend it else where. PLEASE

    SAVE the Fullerton Cops :

    Save US from the Fullerton Cops :Yeah, that’s it. It was the shocked bystanders’ fault. And Ron Thomas. Of course.
    NOT the cops whose #$%#$%@#$% you’ve sucked your whole life. THEY certainly didn’t fail Kelly at all. Nope. Perfect angels. Let’s SAVEEEEEEE them (and then focus on SAVING the Chinese panda and other endangered species).

    I guess if I say lock them up… no questions asked…. FPD sucks would be happy. Sorry
    50 people is more than 6 cops, and blowing up the phones to the FPD shouting foul would have brought some attention to and incident that night trust me.
    Thats OK… I will go back to blaming Ron Thomas for leaving his son on the streets to ROT because HAD he helped his son he would not have there in the first place.
    Had his son been killed by “a gang” or another transient? Ron Thomas would be silent because there would no one he could sue for millions. He would not be “contributing ” to the homeless. No one would have known who he is. Now we all know he is douche bag…..

    What has stopped you from committing suicide?

  104. #246 by WishfulSinful on September 8, 2011

    Your last post was real and I appreciate that. The truth will come out. Until then lets agree to disagree and obey the law as has been set down. NONE OF US ARE ABOVE IT. Not me, not you, not cops. It is here to protect us.

    • #247 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

      Always. I’m out there every week loving the job, trying not to get injured or killed, and enjoying time spent talking to people. Couldn’t be a better job in the world. I also know that my last day could be tomorrow as well. My partner was killed years ago so I’ve seen the reality. It’s a good life and gotta live it up while we can.

      • #248 by john doe on September 8, 2011

        Was that TDLR?

  105. #249 by WishfulSinful on September 8, 2011

    MeYou-are you retarded? So sorry don’t respond to people that can’t form simple sentences.

  106. #250 by WishfulSinful on September 8, 2011

    MeYou-So because He was all alone and His Dad “supossedly” abandoned him, it was okay for the cops to kill him? If YOU were all alone, would it be okay to kill YOU? His Dad did NOT abandon Him, He ran away from everyone that tried to help him, it was part of his illness. Please dont make stupid and uninformed statements. It makes you look stupid and it may cause you to get killed by the Fullerton Police Dept.

    • #251 by Stud Lee on September 9, 2011

      Truth.

  107. #252 by WishfulSinful on September 8, 2011

    @Fullerton Cakes- do you make attempts at getting to know the public? There have been many times at restaurants where I have wanted to talk to the police there, but they act like they wanna kick my ass. It really IS a small world. Maybe we are neighbors? Maybe I can learn from you? Maybe you can learn from me? If I wanted to talk to a cop at a restraunt what would be your advise?

    • #253 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 8, 2011

      Yes all the time. I walk business areas, go to all the neighborhood meetings, talk to the kids. It’s great.

      Funny you say restaurant. That’s the worst place actually. We get 30 minutes to eat and stopping to have a conversation in the middle of dinner is the worst. I do it, but I’m sure you can see how that would be hard.

      Everywhere else I love it. It’s the best for police relations also.

  108. #254 by WishfulSinful on September 8, 2011

    We should be able to walk up to OUR police and talk correct? What happened to our world?

    • #255 by Xer on September 9, 2011

      Cakes is feeding you what you want to read and you are lapping it up. You should read more of his posts before renting a room with him. Good luck with that.

      • #256 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

        The possibility that I could be the nicest cop you have ever met really bothers you. It’s possible!!

        • #257 by fedupwithmorons on September 10, 2011

          Doubt it! the reflextion of who you really are shows through on this blog!

          • #258 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 10, 2011

            Oh ok

          • #259 by Xer on September 10, 2011

            Reflextion, I like that, but then I would. 8-)

        • #260 by Xer on September 10, 2011

          The nicest cop I’ve ever met was my [now] retired uncle, who is still alive and well into his eighties. He is nothing like you. You have multiple personality disorder and are a narcissistic sociopath. My uncle is a humble soft-spoken normal guy, though I suspect he’s still tough as leather. It is somewhere in my memory he once said, he never had to pull his weapon on anyone during a thirty year career in California. He certainly never BEAT anyone to death. It would be very surprising to learn he ever struck anyone to make an arrest. I’ve not spoken with him about Kelly Thomas’ murder, it just doesn’t seem appropriate conversation to initiate with someone his age, but from what I’ve know of his character all my life, he would not defend the FPD 6 like you do. Another difference between the two of you, he is a man of honor. I would trust him with my life. You I would run from on sight. I’d as soon trust a gang banger as you.

        • #261 by tigermanlsu on September 10, 2011

          YOU CAN,T BE A PIG YOU ARE WAY TO CUTE PUS LOOK AT YOUR LIP,S R ALL SWOLL UP FROM WELL AIM A GENTELMEN SO I WON,T SAY JUST HOW U ~~**~*~* {:()

  109. #262 by WishfulSinful on September 8, 2011

    I think we have lost communication with the “REAL” cops. There are “REAL” cops out there that are sons and daughters and Husbands and Wives. Moms and Dads. But they deal with such scum everyday, maybe they dont relate to reality like us. Maybe “We” need to introduce ourselves and get back in touch. I am not real sure, but we gotta learn. We gotta start somewhere.

    • #263 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      We are still out there. I always enjoy talking to people and always enjoy it when people come up to talk. I prefer not when I’m eating, but that doesn’t mean I won’t talk.

  110. #264 by Sean on September 8, 2011

    Fullerton Cakes Reality :
    Very true. That part is unfortunate but part of the process no matter what. Same thing in shootings. You will never hear from the cops, and short statements by the city and police.

    I guess unfortunate is a word for it. In any industry or profession there will be moments where the bigger picture must precede protocol and policy. And the process in this instance, has only prevented transparency that the public needed in order to keep their trust in the police force. Remember, the authority that the good cops have over society is granted by law abiding citizens. And every time a bad cop violates that authority, the process alienates the public and chips away at that authority. If something doesn’t change about the process, it will only be a matter of time before those average law abiding citizens also lose complete trust and faith in the police. You referred to a PR stunt earlier, in this case I think better PR from the PD and it’s chief would have gone a long way in stemming the anger and frustration. Now they have made their bed, this is not going to go away, and a young man… who was a friend of mine, is dead. Unfortunate is putting it mildly I think.

  111. #265 by tigermanlsu on September 8, 2011

    don,t you just love how pig,s hide behind the law after bracking it. mmmm

    • #266 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      I like the laws and I never “brack” the laws either.

  112. #267 by fedupwithmoronsTWO on September 8, 2011

    If you fucks hadn’t killed Kelly, it would have been someone else!

    • #268 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      Interesting analogy. I have seen many homeless killed by other homeless.

  113. #269 by fedupwithmoronsTWO on September 8, 2011

    save us from fullerton coppers, you whine like a pussy over your perceptions of what Ron Thomas didn’t do for Kelly, my question to you is, what did you do for Kelly and people like him? Did you say “nothing”?

  114. #270 by fedupwithmoronsTWO on September 8, 2011

    Rhoid use in law enforcement is rampant. I went to an arbitration on a Riverside jail deputy who was being fired for not only steal inmate files, but for using and selling anabolic steroids. The arbitration judge upheld his termination!

    • #271 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      You went to an arbitration of a deputy and now it’s rampant? Ok.

      • #272 by fedupwithmorons on September 9, 2011

        Yeah, and there is another contagion amongst cops on this blog….stupidity!

        • #273 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

          That and a case of you being the smartest know it all on the planet.

          • #274 by fedupwithmorons on September 9, 2011

            BETTER THAN BEING AN ASSWIPE!

          • #275 by Xer on September 10, 2011

            “That and a case of you being the smartest know it all on the planet.”

            Wait! Now I’m losing track. Which one of us were you accusing of being God THIS week?

  115. #276 by Heyguy on September 8, 2011

    Some of you dips out there don’t get it; “taser” to the heart, duh autopsy. quit holding your breath. Who shot the “TASER”? Oh well, he practiced alot at the firing range but the guns did not shoot tase. DA says, “I see your points”

  116. #277 by MeYou on September 9, 2011

    WishfulSinful :
    MeYou-So because He was all alone and His Dad “supossedly” abandoned him, it was okay for the cops to kill him? If YOU were all alone, would it be okay to kill YOU? His Dad did NOT abandon Him, He ran away from everyone that tried to help him, it was part of his illness. Please dont make stupid and uninformed statements. It makes you look stupid and it may cause you to get killed by the Fullerton Police Dept.

    You have my posts mixed up.. I am harassing all the idiots who point to the father of a THIRTY SEVEN year old man.. too late to blame daddy and I want to punch every one of them in their mouth or break their keyboard fingers for all this deflectoin BS

    Cops and alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
    their commanding officers are who need BRUTAL LEGAL PUNISHMENT

    Especially those who put badges back on the animals that murdered Kelly Thomas…

    ANYONE that let those animals back on the streets after watching that video and their car cam vids and such needs a life sentence for possessing NO RESPECT FOR THE CITIZENS OF FULLERTON whom they were sworn

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TO PROTECT!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

  117. #278 by MeYou on September 9, 2011

    Heyguy :
    Some of you dips out there don’t get it; “taser” to the heart, duh autopsy. quit holding your breath. Who shot the “TASER”? Oh well, he practiced alot at the firing range but the guns did not shoot tase. DA says, “I see your points”

    I have heard that more than ONE tase to a suspect is grounds for immediate ABUSE charges..

    If this man was tased 6 times does it make you
    Erotically Aroused
    Psychotically Aroused

    What did it do for those cops.. how much sickness CAN ONE DEPARTMENT GERMINATE

    did kelly have a gun or a nuclear device

    why did they beat him to death instead of actually detain him….

    handcuffs do not require a coma unless you are a brutalizing psychopath?

  118. #279 by Justice for Kelly on September 9, 2011

    Flash News…..the OCDA still do not have evidence on the Kelly Thomas case. However, they have evidence on the threat against the fucking life of the FPD6…….evidence 200 on file……DUH! YOU LIE , cover up..OCDA….Not all people are dumb as you are. You’ll see more discontent and distrust to the COURT SYSTEM……

    • #280 by merijoe on September 9, 2011

      Dumb or lazy? and greased up shills? Obviously dont care about the taxpaying citizens who pay their salaries and dont say anything because the thinking was they were actually doing their fucking jobs (until now that is)

  119. #281 by tigermanlsu on September 9, 2011

    COP,S IN NEW ORLEAN.S PUT AWAY FOR 15
    YEAR,S YESTERDAY.ALL 5 COP,S 15 YRAR,S IN FED PEN. THANK YOU JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • #282 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      Fuk those cops. They fucked up.

  120. #283 by tigermanlsu on September 9, 2011

    sorry news just came out thats today,cop,s got 15 years all5 in fed pen amen

  121. #284 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 9, 2011

    fedupwithmoronsTWO :save us from fullerton coppers, you whine like a pussy over your perceptions of what Ron Thomas didn’t do for Kelly, my question to you is, what did you do for Kelly and people like him? Did you say “nothing”?

    No… I was not there that night and neither was Ron Thomas. No interest in being an advocate for the homeless.

  122. #285 by SAVE the Fullerton Cops on September 9, 2011

    WishfulSinful :I think we have lost communication with the “REAL” cops. There are “REAL” cops out there that are sons and daughters and Husbands and Wives. Moms and Dads. But they deal with such scum everyday, maybe they dont relate to reality like us. Maybe “We” need to introduce ourselves and get back in touch. I am not real sure, but we gotta learn. We gotta start somewhere.

    Yeah, Wish Ful Thinking

  123. #286 by PoliceThugs on September 9, 2011

    The issue is not that all cops are bad cops, there are alot of good cops out there. the problem here is that these 6 “officers” (maybe not all 6, but none of them are telling what really happened, so they are equally as responsible) are rogue, dirty scum thugs. Not thugs as in street gang thugs, because not even street gangs do this kind of damage to eachother. this is a brutal beating-murder and they need to be made an example of. Even if Kelly did resist, he was 135lbs maybe 145lbs. These cops probably have a record of picking on these helpless homeless men and as you can see all the history sotries are coming out every day.
    At the end of the day they need to be made an example of and medical professionals who treated Kelly Thomas that night said he was brain dead that night due to blunt force assault.
    That alone should be enough to put these guys away and along with video and a few witnesses, these officers are going to get what they deserve. If not death then life in prison with the criminals they are supposed to be out to get.

    OH YA! THERE IS NO RECORD OF A CALL TO FULLERTON POLICE REPORTING ANYTHING ABOUT KELLY OR ANYONE ELSE STEALING THINGS FROM CARS AROUND THE TIME THAT HIS BEATING TOOK PLACE.

    THIS WHOLE STORY IS JUST SICK AND IT PISSES ME OFF BY THE DAY THAT THESE FUCKING PUSSY COPS ARE STILL GETTING PAID VACATION. IF IT WAS ME OR ANYONE ELSE, I WOULD BE BEHIND BARS AND DENIED VISITORS. MY FAMILY WOULD BE EVICTED FROM OUR PLACE CAUSE I CANT BRING HOME A CHECK ANYMORE AND ID PROBABLY NEVER SEE MY DAUGHTER OR FAMILY FOR MANY YEARS.

    ORANGE COUNTY D.A. STOP MAKING THIS FAMILY SUFFER AND FILE CHARGES ALREADY, THIS IS REDICULOUS.

  124. #287 by Jaynbond on September 9, 2011

    Police Thugs: What you gonna say if no charges are filed?

    KT died from lack of oxygen from the excited delirium that is so common in scizophrenics. That is no fault of anyonet but you want to blame somebody so you are blaming the cops.

    You play with fire, you get burned, You live by the sword you die by the sword.

    Now Dad Thomas has to blame someone else for his lack of taking care of KT so he is also blaming the cops.

    RIP KT

    • #288 by Xer on September 10, 2011

      “You play with fire, you get burned,”

      Kelly wasn’t playing with fire. He was sitting on a bus stop bench minding his own business, thinking his own poor troubled thoughts, when he was approached by FPD and frightened into flight. Notice his natural reaction to threat was flight, not fight.

      “You live by the sword you die by the sword.”

      Kelly was known to many in downtown to be a very low key individual. They enjoyed stopping and chatting with him, offered him cigarettes, etc.. Many have said so in THESE pages. None have accused him of violence.

      Conversely (look it up, stupid) the FPD have a reputation for violence. Remember your own words. Remember them the day you die. No threat. We all die, junior. I’ve stood at that door myself, but was turned back until a later day. So, I KNOW you will be there someday too. Given your chosen lifestyle, and disrespect for the Rights of others, it may well be a violent death, which is why it is important for you to remember your words.

      “You live by the sword you die by the sword.”

      Hopefully you will have enough time to wonder how different your life could have been had you not chosen violence for a lifestyle. Perhaps in your last minutes you will realize how you could have made your life meaningful, or not. Good luck with that little man.

      You are a truly vile child and unlikely to mature as you age. My sympathies to your present and future families.

  125. #289 by Fedupwithmorons on September 9, 2011

    Gonna say, you cops are thugs. Doesn’t matter if charges get filed or not. What you guys did to Kelly, is burned in our memories for an eternity!

    • #290 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      Like I said. On this site everyone is guilty no matter what happens. Doesn’t surprise me.

      • #291 by Xer on September 10, 2011

        Yeah, like Kelly was ‘guilty,’ right?

        You’re a coward — IN REAL LIFE!

  126. #292 by still love fullerton on September 9, 2011

    jay, please stop ;with your broken record!!
    you don’t know the facts any more than any of us do!!!

    • #293 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      Did he say he does? I think he has been saying that no one knows the facts and we need to wait until the investigation is complete.

    • #294 by fedupwithmorons on September 10, 2011

      Posted: Sep 08, 2011 10:23 PM EDT
      Updated: Sep 08, 2011 11:17 PM EDT
      By Wendy Saltzman – email

      ATLANTA (CBS ATLANTA) -
      The Atlanta Police are conducting humiliating and illegal searches, according to the Citizen’s Review Board, who documented cases of officers pulling down people’s pants, touching their genitals and even conducting cavity searches in public. The purpose, the board says, is to intimidate and frighten.

      This week the city paid out a $200,000 settlement in one case and another lawsuit is on the brink of being filed after another officer allegedly touched a teenagers genitals in an illegal search.

      “There’s a custom and practice among Atlanta police officers to illegally search people, including strip search them. To pull down their pants, to touch their private areas, and in some cases to do rectal cavity searches out in the field,” said Attorney Dan Grossman.

      The Citizen’s Review Board met to recommend the termination and suspension of several officers accused of using these disturbing intimidation tactics.

      “This type of behavior shouldn’t be tolerated,” board member William Harrison said.

      The board documented a pattern including strip searches, touching genitals, and conducting cavity exams, in public which they say is against the city’s policy.

      “It is completely illegal and against Atlanta policy for a police officer to stick his finger inside someone out in the field,” Grossman agreed. “And yet, they admit doing it in their own police reports. It is typical of what they do, trying to use these tactics to intimidate, scare and terrify people.”

      Grossman represents three young men who he says were illegally searched by the police. One of the teens is 17-year-old Olajuwan Wilson.

      “Without any reason to suspect him of anything, police officers came up, and a police officer stuck his hands down 17-year-old Wilson’s pants,” Grossman said.

      In another case police pulled over two of Grossman’s clients for running a stop sign he says didn’t even exist.

      “They wound up pulling down Mr. Venegas’ pants and made his spread his butt cheeks on the side of the road,” Grossman explained.

      The police found no illegal contraband in either of those searches. Both cases were brought before the review board to recommend disciplinary action against the officers involved.

      “I think we should consider termination,” board member Paul Bartels said.

      The officers were part of the now disbanded Red Dog unit. But Grossman says the problem reaches all the way to the department’s top.

      “People should be surprised by this. You should be surprised that Atlanta police officers are doing rectal exams out in the field. It’s surprising. It’s surprising that Chief George Turner doesn’t discipline these guys. Anyone should be surprised by that. I don’t know why we as a city have allowed Chief Turner to get away with this,” Grossman said.

      The board recommended the termination of two officers, and the suspension of one more in the Venegas case. They will reconvene next month to discuss discipline of the officers involved in the Wilson search. Those recommendations will be sent to the chief for his review.

      Copyright 2011 WGCL-TV. All rights reserved

  127. #295 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 9, 2011

    Police Thugs, like many of us, you sound very angry, and it’s obvious you would like to see the officers involved go to prison. Now let me ask you, do you want the OC DA to go off half cocked and charge the cops with lesser crimes for which he might be able to get convictions, or would you like for him to wait for the coroner to provide the findings of the forensic pathologists so the DA can possibly make a much stronger case for more serious charges?

    I too would like to think that the attending physician’s blunt assessment of the cause and means of death are enough to convict on charges such as murder one or two, but if the coroners report is less blunt and more ambiguous, that’s not gonna happen. The defense attorneys will simply point out that the people’s own experts, the medical doctors with specialized training in determining cause of death, don’t agree with the attending physician, and bang, just like that you’ve got a hole in the case big enough to drive a truck through.

    Fortunately the OC DA understands this, and he knows he must wait for the all-important autopsy report before determining what kind of charges he has a chance of going to court on, and winning a conviction that will send these police officers to prison.

    I know I sound like the devil’s advocate, but I’m simply trying to provide a little clarity and understanding of the situation.

    • #296 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      True.

      The cops legal team could care less about that medical document. The doctor that wrote it will be ripped apart in court in terms of explaining how he decides that Kelly died from assault. This is all part of the game.

      The defense will have a high paid Doctor to counter what that Doctor said, as well as the hired Doctor for the prosecution. It all comes down to who does the jury believe. They will be buried in testimony from both sides just related to cause of death and deep, in depth analysis of the injuries, treatment, plug pulling, etc. It will get nasty

      • #297 by tigermanlsu on September 10, 2011

        A PHOTO IS WHERE THE DR,S PROVE A MURDER TOOK PLACE BECAUSE THAY DON,T COVER-UP MURDERS LIKE PIG,S SUCK AT DOING . IF I WAS ONE OF THE COP,S THAT KILL PEOPLE IN THIS CASE I WOULD EAT MY GUN, IN THE PEN THAY WILL HAVE TO EAT HOT BULLETS OF ~~~~~*

    • #298 by FEDUPWITHMORONS on September 9, 2011

      NO YOU DON’T SOUND LIKE A DEVIL’S ADVOCATE, YOU SOUND LIKE A WHINING COPS SUPPORTER, THESE BOYS ARE GOING TO BE CHARGED, SO GET USED TO IT!

  128. #299 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 9, 2011

    “KT died from lack of oxygen from the excited delirium that is so common in scizophrenics.”

    A few quotes I picked up on ‘excited delirium:’

    “Victims share a host of symptoms and similarities. They tend to be overweight males, high on drugs, and display extremely erratic and violent behavior.”

    Does that sound like skinny Kelly Thomas who witnesses said was “just chilling” when approached by police?

    “Dr. Gary Vilke, an emergency room physician at the University of California at San Diego, said excited delirium causes police intervention, not the other way around. ‘These are people running around naked, breaking the windows of cars and getting the attention of police. … They are excited and delirious, hence the term. … Cops have to intervene, and a struggle is inevitable.’ ”

    Does that sound like Kelly Thomas, who witnesses have said was “just chilling” when approached by police?

    ” ‘What’s really killing these people isn’t police brutality but an overdose of adrenaline’, said Dr. Assaad Sayah, chief of emergency medicine at Cambridge Health Alliance. According to Sayah, when people are abused by cops, the trauma is obvious. Excited delirium deaths, he said, are ‘not related to an actual trauma to the patient.’ ”

    Does that sound like Kelly Thomas, who’s signs of trauma and abuse by the cops the world has become all too familiar with?

    “…excited delirium is described as a disorder characterized by extreme agitation, violent and bizarre behaviour, insensitivity to pain, elevated body temperature, and superhuman strength.”

    Does this sound like Kelly Thomas who witnesses have said was just chillin’ and who was recorded screaming in pain and calling out for for forgiveness and for his dad?

    No, I didn’t think so.

    Give it a rest jaynbond until you have evidence instead of just wishful thinking.

  129. #300 by Jaynbond on September 9, 2011

    Eye Never: It does not matter what causes excited delirium, it still happens. Schizophrenics are more susceptible to excited delirium than those who do not have schizophrenia. There are numerous cases world wide that shows death as a result of excited delirium while being detained by the police. Out of 17 cases that I checked involving the police, all were exonerated.

    • #301 by Ron on September 9, 2011

      tasing a person in the state of excited delirum is manslaughter at the least. When one is in this state, do not taser them or hit them in the head with a 16 oz whatever. Mr C murdered. The thin blue line that separates barbourism from civiilty broke that night.

      J do more reseach on excited delirium and report back.

      • #302 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

        I have heard excited delirium many times in my career. I hear it mostly when someone dies from a taser, or related to taser use while on drugs. If someone is acting crazy and not obeying commands, I don’t think about are they nuts, are they delirium, are they drunk. I think about I need to hit this guy in the right spot to get both darts in him and put him down. Impossible to know if they are delirium or whatever it is.

        The other odd thing is that I didn’t know about the newest directive from Taser not to shoot in the chest. I have always aimed directly in the stomach and chest area when I shoot the taser. Even during taser practice on targets. I’ll have to look that one up on the Taser web page.

        • #303 by tigermanlsu on September 10, 2011

          THAY NEED TO LOOK UP FOR SURE NOW FROM DOWN ON THERE KNEE,S HAAHA~~~~***~~~~**~~*

    • #304 by EyeNeverSayNo on September 9, 2011

      Yes jaynbond, I’m aware that “excited delirium” has been successful as a convenient excuse to let cops off the hook for using brutal and deadly force by juries predisposed to do so. And I’m also aware that this relatively new “disorder” seems to manifest most often when people are in police custody, and is usually diagnosed only after the victims die.

      And in any case my post had nothing to do with the cause of excited delirium, I was pointing out the signs and that none of the witnesses seemed to have noticed any of those signs whatsoever. So yeah, perhaps it would be better if you presented some evidence of this disorder being in play rather than just pulling it out of your ass as a possible excuse for what appears to most clear thinkers as a murderous beatdown.

      So how about it, on what do you base your opinion that Thomas was suffering from this disorder other than your own wishful thinking? Was he insensitive to pain? No it does not appear that he was. Was he running around naked and screaming like a madman? No, witnesses say he was jut chillin’.

      Remember, according Dr. Gary Vilke, an emergency room physician at the University of California at San Diego: excited delirium causes police intervention, not the other way around. So please share with us what definitive signs of excited delirium Kelly demonstrated that caused police to intervene in the first place? What, you don’t know of any? I didn’t think so.

    • #305 by Ron on September 9, 2011

      emitt till said momma please save me,

      kelly thomas said dad, i’m sorry,

      jesus christ said father forgive them.

  130. #306 by Ron on September 9, 2011

    This document says Kelly’s age as 30. From what I have been reading, he as 37.

    • #307 by FEDUPWITHMORONS on September 9, 2011

      WHO CARES, THERE WERE TYPOS, I AM SURE THEY WILL BE CORRECTED!

  131. #308 by Anonymous on September 9, 2011

    Jaynbond :
    Eye Never: It does not matter what causes excited delirium, it still happens. Schizophrenics are more susceptible to excited delirium than those who do not have schizophrenia. There are numerous cases world wide that shows death as a result of excited delirium while being detained by the police. Out of 17 cases that I checked involving the police, all were exonerated.

    by a jury of FEARFUL and Blue Proud Peers

    Fullerton or OC probably has plenty of cue tips and seniors etc they can pick who HATE homeless people and will let them off for getting rid of those kinds.. they don’t care just like the cops didn’t

    and just like jay the creep.. he is the type of lawyer or paralegal roach that actually takes on the role for his clients even though he knows it will destroy his soul.

    He is the type to claim to be a Christian .. but I promise you with all my atoms if St Peter is real and he asks you

    Did you do anything to defend the homeless in Fullerton, CA and specifically did you do anything to defend the murder of Kelly thomas?

    He will send you to purgatory instantly when your black soul shows itself

  132. #309 by Anonymous on September 9, 2011

    Fulloffeartown
    or
    Fearlestown, CA

    one where cops don’t kill citizens and then intimidate them into letting them go free

  133. #310 by Jaynbond on September 9, 2011

    Eye Never: There is a case of excited delirium that is dated 1988. Lester Donaldson Tronto, Canada, August of 1988. So it is not that recent.

    I just don’t see how cops can make a split second decision in determining if a subject is suffering from schizophrenia and then diagnose him/her with excited delirium on top of that, all before they decide what to do in detaining him/her.

    It is a tough job and a thankless one as you can see. The Police need our support and yes there are some bad ones, but there are bad ministers, priests, doctors, lawyers, gardners, meter readers, clerks, teachers… on and on. So I say SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL POLICE!

    • #311 by Stud Lee on September 9, 2011

      Which officials have mentioned “excited delirium”? Is this just wishful thinking?

  134. #313 by fedupwithmorons on September 9, 2011

    kelly did not die as a result of the tasering he rec’d at the hands of the dirty rotten cops! He died from blunt force trauma to his head, and asphyxiation due to blood in his lungs. There is not reason the medical doctors who treated Kelly should have anything disputed, I am sure they took extraordinary care in documenting their findings. so, pound sand Jay and cakes!

    • #314 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      Oh. I forgot you and Xer are Gods. You know everything.

      • #315 by Xer on September 11, 2011

        You have no idea what an honor it is to get under your rind.

        If we tick you off we MUST be doing something right. LOL

        8-)

        Not Gods, little ‘man,’ just informed and not cowed by pig PS.

        lollol still laughing! Thanks!

  135. #316 by fedupwithmorons on September 9, 2011

    excited delirium is not even a recognized medical sympton, it’s psychobabble the cops will use as a defense to a homicide!

  136. #317 by fedupwithmorons on September 9, 2011

    There’s a new trend out there, cops are getting prosecuted and losing their jobs!

    • #318 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      Really? Where?

  137. #320 by Jaynbond on September 9, 2011

    Hey Stud: Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part but the facts of excited delirium are still there. That has not changed. I posted 18 cases of excited delirium on this site a week or so ago and all of them were cases involving police officers. All of the police officers were exonerated in the cases. There was a case of excited delirium in San Bernardino in April of this year. Terry Jackson.

    • #321 by tigermanlsu on September 10, 2011

      NOT TRUE TAZER INTER. HAVE 10 MILLION JUDGETENT THAY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE DEATH OF A YOUNG ,BOY AND HE WAS NOT ON ANY DRUGES

  138. #322 by fedupwithmorons on September 9, 2011

    Cakes, yeah, you’re so right, for once!

    • #323 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      I know. I strive to be a God and brilliant like you some day.

  139. #324 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

    I wipe my ass alot. I use alot of TP too. I’m not sure I would want to be the asswipe though. Pew.

    fedupwithmorons :
    BETTER THAN BEING AN ASSWIPE!

  140. #325 by fedupwithmorons on September 9, 2011

    CAKES. YOU HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE YOU REMOTELY BEGIN TO CATCH UP!

    • #326 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      I know. Your brilliance and maturity are amazing. I’ve always wanted to meet someone so close to God like.

  141. #327 by Jaynbond on September 9, 2011

    Fed Up: Don’t know where you are getting your info. Ask your own private physician, he/she’ll know. Talk to any paramedic or EMT, see what they have to say.

    Some of the cases researched were similar to KT some were a little dufferent.

  142. #328 by fedupwithmorons on September 9, 2011

    STUD, COPS LIE, USE DRUGS, BEAT THEIR WIVES, KIDS OR GIRLFRIENDS, THEY DO STEROIDS. WHEN THEY GET CAUGHT. THE LIE, MINIMIZE, DEFLECT AND VICTIM BLAME!

    • #329 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      Sounds kinky. I might use roids to look sexy but then my penis would die. No way. Gotta have a working penis.

      • #330 by Anonymous on September 9, 2011

        YOU HAVE A PENIS? SAY IT ISN’T SO, THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE TRANSGENDER OR SOMETHING WEIRD LIKE THAT YOU GIRLY MAN YOU!

  143. #331 by fedupwithmorons on September 9, 2011

    I THOUGHT YOU’D APPRECIATE THE BRILLIANCE OF GOD, NOW WHY DON’T YOU STOP ACTING LIKE A SINNER?

    • #332 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      Me? I don’t sin. I’m a saint. I cry when I kill an ant. Poor ant.

  144. #333 by fedupwithmorons on September 9, 2011

    I AM A LEGAL RESEARCHER, I DID SOME RESEARCH ON EXCITED DELIRIUM THE OTHER DAY AND POSTED IT ON THIS BLOG, WHERE IT WENT I DO NOT KNOW! IT’S BS AND A RATIONALIZATION, A REAL STRETCH TO JUSTIFY A HOMICIDE TO ONE OF YOUR BROTHER’S KIDS. SHAME ON YOU!

    • #334 by Fullerton Cakes Reality on September 9, 2011

      I have no idea if it applies in this case because the coroners report isn’t out yet. It could. But how can so many causes of death be determined as this if it’s all Bs and not right? I mean there can be that many conspiracies right? Lol

      • #335 by Jt on September 9, 2011

        Yes, there might be:

        “Medical Condition Not Recognized

        Deborah Mash, a professor of neurology at the University of Miami, describes the symptoms of the condition:

        “Someone who’s disproportionately large, extremely agitated, threatening violence, talking incoherently, tearing off clothes, and it takes four or five officers to get the attention of that individual and bring him out of harm’s way — that’s excited delirium.”

        Mash says the phenomenon came to light in the 1980s, when cocaine burst onto the scene. Most victims have cocaine or drugs in their systems. Jones had smoked cocaine and PCP. Mash says victims become irrational, their body temperatures rise so fast their organs fail, and then they suddenly die.

        “It’s definitely real,” Mash says. “And while we don’t know precisely what causes this, we do know it is the result of a neural chemical imbalance in the brain.”

        But nearly all reported cases of excited delirium involve people who are fighting with police. And that’s extremely problematic, says Eric Balaban of the American Civil Liberties Union.

        “I know of no reputable medical organization — certainly not the AMA [American Medical Association] or the APA [American Psychological Association] — that recognizes excited delirium as a medical or mental-health condition,” Balaban says.

        He’s right. Excited delirium is not recognized by professional medical associations, and you won’t find it listed in the chief psychiatric reference book.

        Balaban charges that police officials are using the diagnosis “as a means of white-washing what may be excessive use of force and inappropriate use of control techniques by officers during an arrest.”

        http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7608386

        So there is no consensus on whether this condition is real or not. But even if it is, it describes “overweight” individuals who generally have cocaine or PCP in their system. Given tox reports so far, and the fact that Kelly Thomas was by all account dramatically UNDERWEIGHT, its hard to see how excited delirium could be responsible for his death.

        • #336 by fedupwithmorons on September 10, 2011

          Over the past decade, increased attention has been paid to the sudden and seemingly inexplicable deaths of some highly agitated subjects being held in police custody. In most of these cases, the force required to restrain or incapacitate the suspect was not sufficient to cause death.

          Our colleagues in Miami-Dade County, Florida, first described the syndrome of excited delirium associated with cocaine abuse. The symptoms of excited delirium include bizarre and/or aggressive behavior, shouting, paranoia, panic, violence towards other people, unexpected physical strength, and hyperthermia. Throughout the United States and Canada, these cases are frequently associated with psychostimulant abuse, representing the extreme end of a psychiatric continuum of drug abuse effects. However, reports of acute exhaustive mania, physical restraint, Pepper Spray or TASER and sudden death also have been reported that are not related to abused drugs, suggesting further that an underlying central nervous system disorder was the precipitating cause of lethality. Such victims of excited delirium have provoked allegations of police misconduct, unnecessary force and improper TASER deployment.

          Medical examiners often have extreme difficulty in identifying the cause of death, but frequently drug intoxication is considered as a contributing factor or cause of death. While the precise cause and mechanism of these deaths remain controversial, we have demonstrated abnormalities in brain that define and confirm the occurrence of the excited delirium syndrome.

      • #337 by fedupwithmorons on September 10, 2011

        AS MANY CONSPIRACIES AS YOU CROOKED COPS WANT TO COME UP WITH!

  145. #338 by FEDUPWITHMORONS on September 9, 2011

    WE’LL MAKE SURE THESE ASSHOLES DON’T SKATE ON THIS ONE! THEY SURE ARE SOME ARROGANT ASSHOLES AREN’T THEY?

  146. #339 by fedupwithmorons on September 9, 2011

    FORENSIC- DEATH LINK:
    PPT] FORENSIC SCIENCES II
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    Homicidal – caused by the hand of someone … can’t be a natural death, but it can be homicide … Blunt force trauma . Whenever you make contact with a hard …

    lake.k12.fl.us/…/Traumatic_Injury_death.ppt

  147. #340 by Jaynbond on September 9, 2011

    Thank you for at least acknowledging that Excited Delirium is a real condition. I appreciate the discussion.

  148. #341 by MeYou on September 10, 2011

    Jaynbond :
    Thank you for at least acknowledging that Excited Delirium is a real condition. I appreciate the discussion.

    Who cares if it is real or not … the murderers will not get away using it as an excuse for murder like you keep trying to do.

    • #342 by fedupwithmorons on September 10, 2011

      IN FORENSICS, BEFORE SOMETHING “SCIENTIFIC” CAN BE USED AT TRIAL IT HAS TO BE PEER REVIEWED BY OTHER SCIENTISTS/DOCTORS. SINCE THERE IS NO CONSENSUS BY MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, IT CAN NOT OR SHOULD NOT BE USED AT TRIAL AS A DEFENSE.\
      EVERYTHING ELSE IN FORENSICS AND MEDICINE IS SUBJECT TO PEER REVIEW, SO WHY NOT EXCITED DELIRIUM?

      • #343 by tigermanlsu on September 10, 2011

        BECAUSE GOD THE LORD OF HOST,S IS ON KELLY,S SIDE THE RIGHT SIDE,TO ANYBODY THAT SAY,S OTHER WISE IS JUST NOT IN THE KNOW !!! GOD HEARD KELLY,S CRY FOR HELP THE NIGHT HE WAS MURDERD,NOW GOD WILL SEE TO IT HE DID NOT DIE IN VAIN,LET YOUR GLORY BE MY DEFENSE ISA.4:5AMEN MAY GOD BLESS THE GOOD PEOPLE OF FULLERTON AMEN

  149. #344 by fedupwithmorons on September 10, 2011

    Mission Statement – De-Spinning the Pro-Taser Propaganda
    Yeah right, ‘Excited Delirium’ my ass…

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    The primary purpose of this blog is to provide an outlet for my observations and analysis about tasers, taser “associated” deaths, and the behaviour exhibited by the management, employees and minions of Taser International. In general, everything is linked back to external sources, often via previous posts on the same topic, so that readers can fact-check to their heart’s content. This blog was started in late-2007 when Canadians were enraged by the taser death of Robert Dziekanski and four others in a short three month period. The cocky attitude exhibited by the Taser International spokespuppet, and his preposterous proposal that Mr. Dziekanski coincidentally died of “excited delirium” at the time of his taser-death, led me to choose the blog name I did and provides my motivation. I have zero financial ties to this issue.

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  150. #345 by iguana on September 10, 2011

    All these discussions are needless. The crux of the matter lies in the fact that mentally sick people should not roam the streets. They should be housed, fed and properly medicated. It’s difficult for the parents, I know, since they cannot commit their children after they reach adulthood.

  151. #346 by Xer on September 10, 2011

    Man Armed With Knife Shocked By Deputies At Coachella Valley High
    Sep 9, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    THERMAL, Calif.—A deputy used a stun gun to subdue and arrest a suspicious man at Coachella Valley High School today, a sheriff’s deputy said.

    Around 8:20 a.m., school security personnel told a sheriff’s deputy assigned to the school at 83800 Airport Blvd. that a man was trespassing on campus, sheriff’s Deputy Angel Ramos said.

    “The officer located the (man) and learned that he was in possession of a knife, which is illegal to possess on school grounds,” Ramos said. “The officer arrested the man but during the arrest the man resisted as he was being handcuffed. The officer deployed his Taser, and after a short struggle was able to subdue the suspect without serious injury to the officer or the suspect.”

    It was not known why the suspect, 29-year-old Matthew Aguilar, was on campus. No one else was injured. Aguilar was arrested on suspicion of taking a weapon onto school grounds and resisting arrest, and was booked into the county jail in Indio.

  152. #347 by Meadow Muffin on September 10, 2011

    Excited Delirium sounds like a very lame term dreamed up by those who beat and taze people “legally” to exempt the abusers from any legal/monetary penalties. Kelly just died because of excited delirium, right. If you believe that one there is a nice bridge in Brooklyn for sale… As far as homeless people needing to be off of the streets, it was the government, local, county, state, and federal who closed the vast majority of psychiatric hospital in the early 70s. The idea was that there would be clinics , halfway houses, sheltered housing etc. to help the mentally ill. Well almost 40 years later the government still hasn’t lived up to their end of the bargain. This can be seen by visiting homeless shelters, jails, prisons and the streets because a large precentage people there are mentally ill. By and large our society doesn’t care about those who are mentally ill.

  153. #348 by JN on September 10, 2011

    Ive been busy and havent been able to follow as closely as I would have liked the past couple weeks. Last I heard they were still awaiting the autopsy report from the hospital. I work as a Medic, and after seeing the report I laughed.I laughed because those Cops read the same report and know deep down that they are UTTERLY fucked when Judgement Day presents itself in Court.No evidence of ETOH or drugs,No evidence of a naturally occurring Cardiac event?Grey matter injury? Adios Cowboys!!!!!

  154. #349 by Anon on September 19, 2011

    Kelly Thomas didn’t do anything and trusted the police and he was murdered.

    What can certain California police and California Justice do to those who report police corruption and official corruption? Yes they can try to kill them also!

    California needs to change its CALIFORNIA INJUSTICE AGAINST ITS OWN CITIZENS to JUSTICE.

  155. #350 by Anon on September 19, 2011

    MORE INJUSTICE IN CALIFORNIA FROM 1998-
    AND WHAT’S PAST IS PROLOGUE.

    Cop Crimes – Santa Monica

    Cop Crimes Cops
    Ron Marable
    Judge Laurence D. Rubin

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    Cop: Ron Marable
    Allegations: Count 1 – Obstruction of Justice; Count 2 – Kidnapping; Count 3 – Police Brutality; Count 4 – Battery; Count 5- Unlawful Detainment; Count 6 – Conspiracy, Count 7 – harassment

    Agency: Santa Monica College Police Department, Santa Monica
    Public Officials: Judge Laurence D. Rubin, and Judge Rubin’s Bailiffs
    Dept. R. 1725, Main St. Santa Monica, CA 90401 Location: Santa Monica, California

    Was a complaint filed with that department? Yes
    What was the result? I made a formal written complaint, and it was disregarded by Chief Eileen Miller and I then went to the City Of Santa Monica and the Santa Monica Police who said that Santa Monica College Police were a separate department. I then went to the President of the Santa Monica College, Dr. Piedad Robertson who eventually decided not to investigate the policeman.

    Now tell us what really happened:

    The original crime was that I was sexually assaulted by Instructor Larry Jones in the photo lab of his class at Santa Monica College in 1994, but did not report the assault at the time it happened because I had a suspicion of the outcome and hoped the abuse was a one time occurrence.

    Two years later I reported the sexual assault to Officer Ron Marable at Santa Monica College Police station as part of another “harassment problem” I was having at the school because the teacher became involved in the new problem. Officer Marable who knew the teacher said that he could not make a report about the teacher’s sexual assault as the matter was too old. (This was not true as I have later found out that the statute to report sexual assault is three years!) And at the time I told Santa Monica College Police Officer Ron Marable the incident was two and a half years old. But SMC police officer Ron Marable did interrogate me at the time to find out if what I was describing was really sexually assault and not just a harmless flirtation.

    As the school would not investigate SMC police officer Ron Marable, I took SMC police officer Ron Marable, Santa Monica College Police Department, Santa Monica College, and Santa Monica College Community District to court on the 6th October, 1998, in Small Claims court at Santa Monica Court on Main St.(I’m not wealthy) hoping to get some justice or at least my case heard.

    The Santa Monica Courthouse Sheriff’s department served all the defendants for this hearing, but only SMC police officer Ron Marable showed up for the hearing, and the beating!

    The Judge eventually was Judge Laurence Rubin (A regular Judge at that court.) This Judge refused to allow any cross-examination in his courtroom, and refused to look at the three character references letters from my teachers at the school and refused to hear other circumstantial evidence I wanted to present. The Judge refused to hear my witness who I had subpoenaed, and a tape of her that substantiated my evidence of the Instructor’s inappropriate behavior towards women in classes at Santa Monica College, and Judge Laurence Rubin allowed the witness to leave the courtroom, and refused to listen to the tape.

    The Judge began to close the case without reviewing the evidence, at which point I went to provide my three character references from teachers at Santa Monica College. This was used as a pretext for the police brutality erupting against me, because I was exposing corruption, even though Marable continued to deny this.

    Once the courtroom had no witnesses, one WHITE Santa Monica Courthouse Sheriff deputy bailiff came towards me, not wanting to take the three character references from me. I was nowhere near the Judge and a few yards away from the 5ft 10in, approx. 35year old, WHITE muscular Sheriff Deputy with ash blond straight hair, squinty eyes, when I could see a very angry expression had appeared on his face, and that his whole body had gone into an attacking mode, where his eyes had closed, and his head was tilted down, and as he moved towards me he knocked me instantly to the ground. The next thing I knew was that I was lying face down on the ground and he began twisting my arms behind me. Then two other sheriff’s deputies arrived and began to punch me in soft tissue on my sides near my rib cage, even though I was not resisting this attack on me, and was already restrained by this first WHITE sheriff deputy. Yet they kept punching me and punching me, about twenty times. The sheriff’s deputies dug their fingernails into the skin and bone of my left hand, (I have photos) twisted and wrenched my glasses off my face. (I have a repair note dated 6th, Oct, 1998)

    It was towards the end of the beating when I could see Santa Monica College police officer Ron Marable came to hold me down on the floor along with the other three WHITE sheriff’s deputies, so it was more Judge Laurence Rubin’s WHITE Sheriffs beating me up physically in his courtroom, than Santa Monica College police officer Ron Marable, even though Ron Marable was also holding me down towards the end, adding to the activity by posing in a war like gesture of winning by holding his hand on my back as the other sheriff’s deputies held me down on the ground – for the purpose of frightening me into silence about Marable’s and Santa Monica College et al’s obstruction of justice in the future!

    Santa Monica College Police Officer Ron Marable “did not assist in halting my approach to the judge,” because I was nowhere near the judge, and also Santa Monica College Police Officer Ron Marable never assisted in halting me – period. Judge Laurence Rubin was on a raised platform about fifteen meters away from me, And twelve meter long table also blocked any path to the judge. So Judge Laurence Rubin was nowhere near me, and nor was African American Sheriff Deputy January anywhere near me. Deputy Terry January is Judge Laurence Rubin’s “regular daily” Sheriff for his courtroom, as opposed to the three “irregular” WHITE sheriff’s deputies who were in Judge Laurence Rubin’s courtroom on October 6th, 1998 for my hearing!

    After being beaten up, and after Santa Monica College Police Officer Ron Marable had finished posing for his peers, the WHITE sheriffs, I was then handcuffed, and a different WHITE sheriff’s deputy told me I was arrested and that they would be transporting me downtown Los Angeles to the county jail. I was then escorted to Judge Laurence Rubin’s holding cell, not charged with anything, and released after an hour.

    So I heard from a amiable (African American) Sheriff’s deputy who had not been involved that the judge had apologized for the police and sheriff’s deputies beating me up and jailing me, but as I am a college student with no record, and as I had already gone through a metal detector inspection when I came into the Courthouse, I should not have had to be treated in this way. Also after receiving Sheriff Baca’s letter of 5th Feb, 1999, I don’t know why Judge Laurence Rubin said he was sorry on 6th, October, 1998, through this Sheriff’s deputy, if he had ever felt threatened in any way by me on that day!

    Santa Monica College Police Officer Ron Marable did not protect and serve me, he trespassed against me, by misleading me and by not taking down my complaint against Instructor Larry Jones in November 1996 for sexual assault, and this year denying that there had been any conversations or interrogations over sexual assault back in November 1996.

    African American Santa Monica College Police Officer Marable may have decided to obstruct justice on his own, but he may have been required to obstruct justice by Santa Monica College. If that is the case – Marable is being sacrificed – even though he has complied – in order to hide white crimes at Santa Monica College, just as African American Sheriff Deputy January of Santa Monica Courthouse is now also being sacrificed to hide WHITE crimes in Santa Monica Courthouse, just as I as a female am also being sacrificed – to hide Santa Monica crimes.

    A last note that adds to the conspiracy nature of these events – why did Santa Monica College police officer Ron Marable not reveal at the beginning of the hearing to Judge L Rubin that I had not sent the defendants of this case the required California government claim! Why did Marable allow the hearing to continue – as he knew on 6th, Oct, 1998, right from the beginning that this case could be closed out on a technicality, (at least that day)? Was somebody hoping for a chance to beat me up? Why did only SMC Police Officer Ron Marable show up for the court hearing, and not the other three named defendants, who had also been served?

    Just a coincidence? Why did Santa Monica College police Officer Ron Marable wait until I wanted to show character references from Santa Monica College Instructors before he mentioned to Judge Laurence Rubin that there was no government claim! Why did the court allow WHITE sheriffs in the courtroom, who are now being hidden?

    I have since sent Santa Monica College et al, and Los Angeles County the required government claims!

    COPCRIMES update: The victim in this matter has since filed a formal complaint against the bailiffs involved. (12/8/98)

    COPCRIMES update: Officer Marable is reported to have continued to harass the victim on campus. He is reported to have followed the victim, and verbally shouted at her while she was talking on a public telephone.

    The victim has since sought assistance from Sheriff Lee Baca (L.A. Sheriff) with regards to investigating this officer. The campus President, Dr. Piedad Robertson, has yet to address Officer Marable’s actions toward the victim, and the safety of the students attending there.

    CopCrimes has contacted Dr. Robertson in an effort to remedy this matter. (12/22/98)

    COPCRIMES update: Sheriff Lee Baca has written a response to the victim that included the following reference to the officers (who are white) being “of African-American descent” – as if that should have anything to do with anything other than Sheriff Baca showing his ignorance. It is clearly a feeble attempt to discredit the victim’s claim that this matter includes racially motivated measures.

    “Although our investigation revealed that you were taken to the ground by Deputy January during his effort to restrain you, there is no evidence to support your allegation that you were struck or punched during this incident. Our investigation revealed no evidence to substantiate your allegation that you sustained injury during this incident. Finally, our investigation revealed no evidence to corroborate your allegation that three Caucasian male sheriff’s deputies were involved in the effort to detain you. It should be noted that both Deputy January and the Santa Monica College Police Officer who assisted Deputy January are of African-American descent. (2-17-99)

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    NOTE: COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES SHERIFF DEPUTY TERRY JANUARY WAS CONVICTED IN AN UNRELATED MATTER IN FEDERAL COURT IN 2008.

    Email – CopCrimes@aol.com

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