NEW: L.A. Sheriffs set the standard for dealing with the homeless

Cal Watchdog Editor’s note: This is the second part of a three-part series on how the homeless and mentally ill are treated in California. Part One was about the Kelly Thomas beating and death.

By Tori Richards

Welcome to 450 Bauchet St., a 10-acre compound in the heart of downtown Los Angeles that is the world’s biggest jail. Known as Twin Towers, it has a population greater than many small towns, with 3,911 inmates, 900 staff, and even its own hospital. But it also has another distinction: the world’s largest mental institution.

Housed in one wing and encompassing four floors, the mental health ward tends to approximately 1,200 inmates with psychiatric problems. Several hundred more of the most severe cases are located in the hospital.

California is now a state where the police — not doctors or counselors — are the front lines to millions of mentally ill who have no other recourse than to end up in the jails.

“Sheriff Baca has frequently commented that the mentally ill belong in a mental institution,” said Capt. Mike Parker. “In law enforcement we deal with things because other aspects of society have failed. You have a system not addressing the need. “In the end, law enforcement is the last stop. We’re not looking for that responsibility; it was given to us.”

A breakdown in the system has led to a large population of the mentally ill who turn to crime or simply wander the streets homeless, a recipe for disaster.

Just look at the case of Kelly Thomas, a 37-year-old schizophrenic homeless man who belonged in a mental care facility rather than on the streets.

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237 thoughts on “NEW: L.A. Sheriffs set the standard for dealing with the homeless

  1. Ron Thomas

    I just want to remind everyone that tomorrow; July the 10th is the “Official” date of Kelly’s death. We are not planning anything for this because it was literally machines that kept him alive. As many of you know, his heart stopped three times before he got to the hospital. They murdered him on July 5th, 2011. They must pay for this just as if it were you or I that murdered someone. Wolfe must be charged, and the other three MUST be fired. Dan Hughes has told me that they will not be fired, but I will make it happen with your help. I feel a major protest about to happen if he does not fire them. Please attend the next city council meeting and let’s inform the new council and the city manager of what we want.

    http://www.facebook.com/Justice4KellyThomas/posts/341087929303379

    1. why would Hughes fire them? Hughes gave them all high fives and told them they did nothing wrong… Hughes must go and the rest will work itself out

    2. Don’t expect any satisfaction from Hughes. How do you think he rose to the rank of Captain and Acting Chief @ FPD? His good looks? You are going to have to use other means to persuade Hughes to place the interests of the citizens over his little pretties on the force. You should have at least 3 loyal votes on the Council to force Hughes’ hand. If not, perhaps it’s time for another recall. Hughes serves at the pleasure of the Council. Call the dogs out on him.

      1. JustUs, to expect the three (as you put it) to vote specifically the way we tell them to or recall them is not only an insult to their integrity but plays into the rumors that the council majority was bought and paid for by one man. I doubt this is really how you meant it. I trust these men (referring actually to Bruce, Travis and Greg) will vote with intelligence, integrity and what they feel is in the best interest of Fullerton residents. Should I ever disagree with a decision they make or anything else, I’ll at least know they did so with the best intentions. I might not like it but no one is going to agree with everyone nor will we agree 100% of the time.

        1. “Should I ever disagree with a decision they make or anything else, I’ll at least know they did so with the best intentions. I might not like it but no one is going to agree with everyone nor will we agree 100% of the time”

          You are already setting the tone to be an apologist for the new council members should they fail to walk their talk and clean house. Your attitude is the reason the city, county, state and nation are in so much trouble. Everyone circles the wagons for their friends in office. You should hold Bruce, Travis and Greg’s feet to the same fire and hold them to the same standard as you did the 3 stooges. And if they don’t walk their talk and do the right thing you should publicly chastise them for failing to act. The old line of “I will trust that they are doing the right thing for us” is the reason Fullerton has fallen off the cliff. You folks need to grow up and have one standard for ALL!

      2. I would absolutely hold their feet to the fire if I felt they were doing something against the good of the city. I said nothing to hint I wouldn’t. But I do know these men to be of good and strong character so until they show me otherwise, I will support them even if I disagree with them ie Travis and I differ on Coyote Hills but I understand his reasons, which do not include some deal hidden under his sleeve. This is what I meant in my previous comment.

        But to threaten a recall the first time something doesn’t go your way is a far more destructive attitude. If anyone thinks we recalled the three idiots so we could control the council, then you’re completely clueless.

        1. SherBear, all I am saying is discard any preconceived notions that you have about the new kids in town. Judge them as you would judge anyone else. Do not blindly support them. That is the WORST thing that you could do to the Fullerton citizens. Mostly, do not give them a pass by saying “they did it with the best of intentions”. Hold their feet to the fire as you would anyone else. In fact, moreso, since they marketed themselves as the ‘good guys’ who would clean house.

          The threat of recall is good. It is one of the only options that good citizens have when they are not being fairly represented or when elected officials gain office under false pretenses. Politicians should ALWAYS be scared of the electorate. Afterall, that is what keeps them in line. They work for YOU – you don’t work for THEM. Never forget that. I commend the good citizens for booting out the 3 stooges. That was a remarkable achievement. Just don’t let your guard down. Once you do that – you’re right back where you started.

      3. What was with Hughes bringing an extra bodyguard to the KTMF Concert?

        And fellas take off the stupid external tactical vests (I’m talking to you Officer John DeCaprio. Sure, you think it makes you look macho and tough but in reality it looks stupid especially in 90 degree weather.

        This is why the Good Captain-Chief doesn’t wear one.

    3. How do you get around POBOR to fire the other 3? And how does the City charge anyone for a felony – I thought that required the action of the DA?

      1. You cant bring charges to the others without the DA and he already said no more charges will be charged. Ron thinks he can.

        1. The rules of engagement were applied to a civilian who was mentally handicapped. If you have children or if your family members have children I urge you to examine your conscience that has been seared with a hot iron. Repent and ask for God to forgive you. Wiley Drake spoke some heavy truth. JD if you and all of your FPD pals all think that the 75,000 miles of circulatory system got wound into your body by chance you are greatly deceived. You all like I will meet THE ONE who wound the vascularization just right so it all flows. While Kelly was not cooperative, he was mentally ill which was clearly evident and more importantly he was a human being which to most sociopaths means very little. The law of entropy explains away that your very existence is an accident. Open your eyes. It is never too late to do the right thing.

          1. You open up your eyes. The 75,000 miles of circulatory system was damaged by living years on the street. Infected with the bad environment, living in filth etc. The guy was already damaged goods. His heart was bad and probably all his internal organs . So don’t try to tell us that all this happened to a healthy man.

            1. Get your story straight, asshole. First you tell us he was some sort of superman that took six cops to subdue.

              Now you say he was virtually crippled.

              Man, you’re stupid.

              1. Put on your glasses myopic fool. When do you see six officers on Kelly. Ginkoba is good for the brain. Try it.

            2. John Doe :
              You open up your eyes. The 75,000 miles of circulatory system was damaged by living years on the street. Infected with the bad environment, living in filth etc. The guy was already damaged goods. His heart was bad and probably all his internal organs . So don’t try to tell us that all this happened to a healthy man.

              and 100 million a year on police costs in this city and we have people eating out of trash cans, chicks getting the treatment, and the exchange students getting grate faced with Ozzie in the background. Like I said before, it is never too late to d the right thing. Get off the crazy train because you and your buddies are on the highway to hell.

              1. WTF..We are in Fullerton, not Los Angeles. People eat out of trash cans because they chose to. Isn’t that what daddy Ron said. Kelly wanted to eat out of trashcans and sleep under the freeway. Is that our fault? Why should we take care of the homeless. They are not our responsibility. Ron didn’t give a shit. He hadn’t seen his son in 10 years. Give me a break.

                1. JD the agents of the state went too far with Kelly. Kelly like all of the other homeless have the right to live on the street and be given due process no matter how much they may smell or whatever. It is not open season in this country on anyone.

              2. Truthseeker you say all I believe. Want to ask you if you have any thoughts about tomorrows date of 7-11-2, combined with union station, or with planes, trains, and automobiles? Or just 7-11-too?

                1. 7-11 has good coffee, union station has nice murals, Denver International has quite the basement

    4. First off, thank you for calling out these thugs turned murders. Unfortunatley it took a victim like Kelly and a father like you to finally wake people up to the fact that murder by cop happens way more often than people would care to believe. Second, why does the felony murder rule not apply? If three civilians beat a man to death while 3 other civilians kept onlookers from intervening then all six would be charged with murder in the first. Why has that not even been discussed in this case?

        1. John Doe stated, “To expensive to put 6 cops on trail.”

          John Doe, I’ll give you 100 chalk $$$ if you can figure out what is wrong with your sentence fragment.

          1. I keep doing that huh? Ok trial..I am sure you could figure that one out. You are smarter than that. It is really funny how you never catch no one else’s mistakes but mine. You must like me.

            1. “It is really funny how you never catch no one else’s mistakes but mine.”

              I’ll give you another 100 chalk dollars if you can correct this sentence, (and not keep making the same mistakes over and over again in the future).

                1. My comments are not posted right away cause Tony has me on moderation. So you might get this right away or tomorrow. Or not at all. It’s all in the game. Whatever he doesn’t want posted you do not see it.

            2. “To expensive to put 6 cops on trail.”

              You only figured out “trial.” Did you figure out your other mistake yet?

    5. Dear Ron: My 29-year-old son Aron is both schizophrenic and claustrophobic. He was sleeping on the ground by choice for three years. Nothing that I, my ex-husband, and Aron’s social worker did could get him off of the ground. I am grieved by criticism against you and I support you 200% in all of your efforts for justice for your son.

  2. He cant infer guilt by any of his actions, hes got a microsope the size of the world up his butt!

    He is very guilty of “Negligent Retention” probably the worst case in the modern history of the free world.

  3. The issue is not Fullerton PD being ill equipped to deal with the homeless, mentally ill. The truth is six Fullerton police officers in uniform, in full view of the public beat a man to death. Then these same police officers lied on their reports to cover up this murder. Abetting these criminals masquerading as Fullerton’s law enforcement were there superiors and police chief and members of Fullerton’s city council.
    This corruption of Fullerton police force has its origins in retired Fullerton police chief, Pat McKinley who was disgraced in his recall from Fullerton’ city council.
    The father of murdered Kelly Thomas, Ron Thomas, must relentlessly pursue justice for his son because it is justice for the community of Fullerton . I believe McKinley, Sellers and the four other officers involved in the murder of Kelly , along with City council persons Jones and Bankhead must be punished for their complicit role that promoted a policing philosophy that pitted Fullerton PD against the community they swore to,protect and serve.
    My opinion
    And this is my opinion.

    1. Van get it: Yes, I agree with you. It already occurred to me that inadequate training was not the cause — criminals working in the FPD were the cause.

  4. It is a Mental issue in so far as you have MC SATAN Ringleader and overseer of a City hell bent on torture of its citizens, rich, poor, young, and old. With a County that promotes Brutality. Covers up pure Murder, and Crimes by elected officials.

    VOTE THE PUBLIC UNIONS OUT, like November, 2010 (BIGGEST VOTER REVOLT IN MODERN HISTORY)

    Cal State Fullerton Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice Jarret Lovell.
    Kelly Thomas Killing
    Citizen Group Seeks Oversight of Fullerton PD
    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/07/fullerton_police_kelly_thomas.php

    1. Yes Marlena….”JUSTICE FOR KELLY”!!!! EVERYONE, GET FRIENDS, FAMILY, ETC….Go to ”change.orgkelly thomas”, and sign, sign, sign!!!! The top two petitions… ”remove all 6 officers” ( ”pigs”) being #1!!!!! I personally, think it should be”7”, including the ”watch commander”, who did EXACTLY THAT!!!! Watched, & did`nt do a damn thing to stop it, he is JUST as guilty, but hardly any mention of him, why?????? Anyway, we`re doing pretty good with the petition to ” remove all 6”, so let`s ALL GET BUSY AND WORK AT GETTING MANY MORE SIGNATURES!!!!! On BOTH petitions!!!!! There have been MANY from other states, and even counties, as ”the United Kingdom”!!!! Let`s ALL…. SIGN, SIGN, SIGN!!!!! For Kelly!!!!!!

  5. There is only one way you will fire the other three. Pay em each a few million to leave or fire them on your own (new council) and end up with a judge ordering back pay and benefits and a few million each a few years later. That’s the only way.

    1. Wolfe is done as a cop. So is Hampton, who now has several trikes against him. That leaves Blatney and Craig. The new Chief will can them.

      1. Rudy, HOPEFULLY YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!! AND….. HOW ABOUT THAT WATCH COMMANDER… who did EXACTLY THAT!!!!! WATCHED!!!! And yes… ”J.D.”, I AM, hung up on that too, as he or she, DOES deserve the ” justice” too, that you speak of for the 6 other pigs!!! And they WILL get theirs, sooner or later… even if it`s when they go to —-!!!!

  6. A judge will not award them anything. There is video conferring they all contributed to Thomas’ death either directly or by failing to stop the murder as it was taken place. Not to mention them laughing about the incident and trying to cover it up, change their reports repeatedly, etc. This will all come out in trial. Once Ramos and Cicinelli are convicted it will make this fact a lot more transparent to those who continue to say “they were just doing their jobs.”

      1. Really??? How much is Ron paying you to say this?

        *sniff* I smell a strong stench of desperation coming from the Cicinelli camp.

        *whispers* they’re still hoping that little J J will be back on the streets of Fullerton once all of this is over. Apparently his TBI not only made him mildly retarded but also very persuasive.

  7. How you figure? They have no grounds for lawsuits as they were the ones violating civil rights. If/when the remaining three are removed from office they’ll be lucky if they can get security jobs at the mall. If you call that doing well.

    1. Brandon. You can’t fire someone without an investigation and finding. Read Pobar. If council fires just cause they were there the cops will get millions. It happens all the time when politicians try to flex their muscles to appease radical morons. Millions go out every time.

    1. You and any other person laboring under this delusion may want to familiarize yourself with the term “qualified privilege” before you start counting on getting rich at taxpayer expense for defamation of character or libel of a police or fire department employee.

      1. Defamation and libel happen too with politicians acting tough. Millions paid out there as well. Many more millions paid out for terminations without valid reasons or to appease a few radicals. I hope they do fire everyone that was there. Those cops would get millions due to politics and a job somewhere else. Win win.

  8. You all jus don’t get it do you? There will be nobody hurtin’ but the citizens of Fullerton who have to pay for your uneducated actions against the police. You are all reacting emotionally and not mentally. Well.. not sure about the mental part.

  9. K.T. already got his justice. Sadly, he was mentally ill and not taken care of properly. As a result, he did get his brand of Justice!

    1. Uh oh. Looks like JD is having a circle jerk in the pooper again.

      Poop, wipe, wipe your neighbor, post, repeat. Same poopy story, new poopy tune.

  10. You think these officers are lamenting about not coming back to FPD? Oh you of little knowledge! And they with all that $$$$$$$ from you guys.

      1. Scranton/Fullerton. Very different. Fullerton has a very different reserve. (If you know what I mean). Mucho Money. Also a Judge in Scranton ordered the City Manager to revert to the employees original pay or he would be in contempt of court. So stop with your nonsense.

        1. I think you’ll be the only one surprised how quick that 10% reserve is going to dry up in the next year or two.

              1. No, not really. I know at least three officers are done with the city of Fullerton. But they are not walking away penniless. Fullerton will pay for their mistakes.

                1. Good riddance. We’ll make sure everyone knows the names of Kelly’s murderers.

    1. You just had diarrhea on someone’s business doorway?

      *Thunk* All you JD clones are unbelievably stupid. Learn the language.

      1. Instead on picking on every ones mistakes, Why dont you write something interesting. Get over it its a blog, not a term paper.

        1. Did you go to school after the second grade?? Which schools did you graduate from?
          (I want to be sure NOT to send my kids there.)

          If you did go to school, you must have been the class clown, -because you certainly didn’t learn anything.

  11. Brandon #24. if the authorities don’t know what the cause of death to KT is, how will a judge know?

    The video does not confirm or deny anything as you suggest. The autopsy photos of KT show no facial injuries. When he was cleaned up he looked completely normal except for the small scratch on his face.

  12. They have nothing to say, so they revert to their same answer. Knock, Knock, is there anything up there……Nope!

    1. Poop. Poopidy poop poop. Wipe, post, repeat.

      You can’t sue the DA. The DA is the only one who has said anything. Sorry. Please stop pooping on the board.

    2. @Anon II, here you go, just for you, so that you and your sociopathic, murdering FPD buddies can keep yourselves busy counting your pretend chalk $$$$$$. You’re welcome.

      FPD officers MURDERED Kelly Thomas in cold blood.

      The FPD officers brutally tortured and MURDERED Kelly Thomas, an innocent, unarmed, disabled man in cold blood, while he begged for mercy and cried out for his father to save him.

      The FPD officers brutally tortured and MURDERED Kelly Thomas, an innocent, unarmed, disabled man in cold blood, while he begged for mercy and cried out for his father to save him.

      The FPD officers brutally tortured and MURDERED Kelly Thomas, an innocent, unarmed, disabled man in cold blood, while he begged for mercy and cried out for his father to save him.

      The FPD officers brutally tortured and MURDERED Kelly Thomas, an innocent, unarmed, disabled man in cold blood, while he begged for mercy and cried out for his father to save him.

      The FPD officers brutally tortured and MURDERED Kelly Thomas, an innocent, unarmed, disabled man in cold blood, while he begged for mercy and cried out for his father to save him.

      The FPD officers brutally tortured and MURDERED Kelly Thomas, an innocent, unarmed, disabled man in cold blood, while he begged for mercy and cried out for his father to save him.

      The FPD officers brutally tortured and MURDERED Kelly Thomas, an innocent, unarmed, disabled man in cold blood, while he begged for mercy and cried out for his father to save him.

      The FPD officers brutally tortured and MURDERED Kelly Thomas, an innocent, unarmed, disabled man in cold blood, while he begged for mercy and cried out for his father to save him.

      The FPD officers brutally tortured and MURDERED Kelly Thomas, an innocent, unarmed, disabled man in cold blood, while he begged for mercy and cried out for his father to save him.

      The FPD officers brutally tortured and MURDERED Kelly Thomas, an innocent, unarmed, disabled man in cold blood, while he begged for mercy and cried out for his father to save him.
      Ad Infinitum.

        1. I thought you enjoyed counting all of your chalk money!!

          The FPD officers who brutally tortured, bludgeoned with batons, collapsed Kelly’s lung, broke Kelly’s ribs, bludgeoned Kelly’s face with the butt end of a Taser 8 times, knee dropped on Kelly’s face and throat- crushing his throat, broke Kelly’s facial bones, kicked, choked, Tazed, piled on, crushed and suffocated Kelly Thomas, and left unconscious Kelly Thomas lying in a giant pool of blood, choking on the massive amount of blood that was streaming down his throat into his lungs with no first aid, are MURDERERS!!! MURDERERS!!! MURDERERS!!! MURDERERS!!! MURDERERS!!! MURDERERS!!!

          Keep counting your chalk money.

  13. “K.T. already got his justice. Sadly, he was mentally ill and not taken care of properly. As a result, he did get his brand of Justice!”

    The Nazi’s felt the very same way about the mentally ill when they started exterminating them, shortly before they began applying the same principles to Jews. Not sure if Hog is a proponent of a eugenics/genocide revitalization, but those are definitely scary words.

  14. Out: The investigation and firings will be coming soon. FPD wants to get rid of everyone involved in the Thomas murder to regain public trust and respect, and avoid future protests/lawsuits. Plus the Feds, who sent the Rodney King beaters to prison, will make the FPD a bigger laughingstock than it already is if they do not deal with the situation properly.

    Hog: Do you really believe the video shows nothing? Even if you are correct, there are numerous witnesses, and the testimony of the officers themselves. I would not be surprised to see Cicinelli and Ramos throw the others under the bus once the trial begins.

  15. There are two precedent setting cases against D A’s as we speak, so don’t be too sure about a lawsuit against T-Rack. Both of the DA’s lost their jobs over it.

    The prosecution will not call any of the witnesses that were walking around that night or the ones on the bus at the time. That leaves NO ONE.

    1. Poop. Wipe, post, repeat.

      Really? Let’s see those cases. Fork ’em over porky. Smells like more poop emanating from your computer terminal, as usual.

    1. Oh, I forgot that you can’t read, or comprehend the English language. I stated (x ad infinitum) that the FPD officers who killed Kelly Thomas are MURDERERS. That should keep you sociopaths busy counting your chalk money for a long time. Have fun.

    1. #65 by Anonymous II on July 10, 2012

      JD/Out? are correct. Everytime the officers are called murderers chalk up the $$$$$$.

  16. I thought you enjoyed counting all of your chalk money!!

    The FPD officers who brutally tortured, bludgeoned with batons, collapsed Kelly’s lung, broke Kelly’s ribs, bludgeoned Kelly’s face with the butt end of a Taser 8 times, knee dropped on Kelly’s face and throat- crushing his throat, broke Kelly’s facial bones, kicked, choked, Tazed, piled on, crushed and suffocated Kelly Thomas, and left unconscious Kelly Thomas lying in a giant pool of blood, choking on the massive amount of blood that was streaming down his throat into his lungs with no first aid, are MURDERERS!!! MURDERERS!!! MURDERERS!!! MURDERERS!!! MURDERERS!!! MURDERERS!!!

    No broken ribs, No knee drops on his face or throat, not choked, no crushed throat, not bludgeoned with batons, collapsed lung caused my mechanical impressions done by paramedics….stop lying Ron. You were in court.

    1. John Doe, you are a sociopathic, pathological LIAR. And, just so you know, my name is NOT Ron. I am not related to the Thomas family; however, I do have children of my own.

  17. One of the minions said that a district attorney could not be sued.

    Do you remember the name Mike Nifong Duke /Lacrosse? Check it out.. probably the most famous DA lawsuit in many mnay years.

    1. Look out T-Rack..You might be next for the lies you said on the podium and in court. You can take Susan Kang with you!!

    2. A) POOOOOOOOOOP. Wipe. Post. Repeat.

      B) Not accusing a cop, which means you can’t read. Not at all relevant to this case.

      C) Yeah, the DA had it coming. You really have more screws loose than I thought if you think that’s a comparable case. But, you are pretty stupid as evidenced by your command of your native language . . . so my bad.

      D) Minon? Really? That’s the biggest poop you’ve had yet. You stink.

  18. Kelly Thomas was brutally and mercilessly tortured and MURDERED by FPD officers as he begged for his life and for his dad and God to save him.

    1. @ Hogs gone Wild, I don’t have to “guess;” I already KNOW. Kelly Thomas was brutally and mercilessly tortured and MURDERED by 6 Fullerton Police Dept. cops, while Kelly begged for mercy, and begged for his dad and for God to save him. Kelly screamed in pain, fear and desperation: “DAD, THEY’RE KILLING ME!!”

      Thank you for helping us to spread the word so that EVERYONE will know what MURDERING sociopathic thugs we have in the Fullerton Police Dept.

    1. The Fullerton Police Dept. was being dramatic (liars) when they reported that two of the officers who had MURDERED Kelly Thomas had received “broken bones.”

      Ramos was dramatic when he was so worried about the little boo boo on his elbow that he had the paramedics wipe it off and put a Band-Aid on it and kiss it all better -while mortally wounded Kelly Thomas lay unattended in a huge pool of blood, choking on the blood that was pouring down his throat.

      The video of Kelly being brutally TORTURED and MURDERED by 6 Fullerton Police officers is VERY DRAMATIC and SICKENING, to say the least.

      If you don’t like so much “drama,” you might want to re-think the whole TORTURE and MURDER of citizens thing, -that you seem to approve of and defend so strenuously.

      Let the whole world know that you, John Doe, condone TORTURE and MURDER and you support the FPD MURDERERS.

      Why don’t you have a dramatic protest rally against the D.A. and hold up signs supporting the FPD MURDERERS. Go ahead. Show your support for the MURDERERS in public. I dare you.

      Be sure to hold up the dramatic hospital photo of Kelly with his eye bashed in -next to the photos of the MURDERERS Kenton Hampton, Kevin Craig, James Blatney, Joseph Wolfe, Manuel Ramos and Jay Cicinelli.

      1. I love the idea of John Doe and Hog Wild standing in front of the DA’s office in Santa Ana trying to muster up support for the “FPD 6.”

        Good luck on that one.

        1. Justice for ALL :
          @John Doe stated, “Kelly knew what he was doing.”
          The six armed, trained, bullet proof vest wearing “peace officers” KNEW what THEY were doing.
          Ramos and Wolfe, KNEW that Kelly Thomas was UNARMED and that there was NO evidence, and NO witness, to assert that Kelly had committed any felony.
          Ramos KNEW that Kelly Thomas was mentally ill; however, Ramos insisted on escalating the situation by playing inane verbal games with Kelly, by being confrontational, sarcastic, antagonistic, ridiculing, demeaning and hostile towards Kelly, which will NOT gain the trust of a mentally ill person and it will get you absolutely nowhere with someone who is mentally ill. Ramos KNEW that he would be able to quickly antagonize and escalate the situation with Kelly Thomas, a disabled mentally ill person, by using these aggravating tactics.
          Ramos KNEW that his continued verbal harassment of Kelly would escalate the situation and cause Kelly to become much more anxious, fearful, confused, defensive and belligerent than if Ramos had been interacting with a person who was not suffering from mental illness.
          Ramos KNEW that someone who is mentally ill CAN not, and DOES not, respond to stress, to commands, or to questioning in the same way that a person who is not mentally ill would respond.
          Ramos KNEW that Kelly’s mental illness would cause him to process information differently, and with a much more disorganized and confused thought process, than someone who is not mentally ill.
          Ramos KNEW that IF he had been civil, calm, respectful, and NON threatening towards Kelly, and IF Ramos had explained to Kelly that he wanted to take him to the station for questioning, until further investigation was done as to where the junk mail had come from, then Kelly would have very likely cooperated and allowed himself to be cuffed and taken to the jail, IF Kelly had trusted the motives of Ramos.
          Ramos KNEW that he COULD have and that he SHOULD have called for a CIT team to de-escalate the situation and deal appropriately with someone who is mentally ill, especially someone who was unarmed and who had not committed a felony, and someone who was posing NO danger to anyone.
          Ramos KNEW that if he threatened Kelly Thomas with the “ these fists are going to F you up if you don’t comply” threat, that he would be escalating the situation, that he would cause Kelly to fear for his life, and that he would cause an already confused mind to become even more confused, anxious, fearful and agitated. Ramos KNEW that his actions would escalate the situation with a mentally ill person, instead of de-escalating the situation.
          Ramos KNEW that Kelly was backing away from him because Ramos had just threatened Kelly with great bodily harm and because Kelly, who was mentally ill, was finally becoming agitated and afraid, just as Ramos had planned. Ramos still KNEW that Kelly Thomas was unarmed and that he was not a threat to the officers’ lives, and that there was NO evidence that Kelly had committed any felony. The officers KNEW that they could have called a CIT team to assist them with a mentally ill person.
          Ramos and Wolfe KNEW that if they called for backup, that Kelly would receive a brutal beating.
          The officers KNEW that Kelly was unarmed, and NOT a threat to anyone. They knew Kelly was backing AWAY out of fear for his safety. Yet, Wolfe decided to strike Kelly Thomas brutally with his baton, and then smash Kelly’s head into the curb.
          The officers KNEW that if they kicked someone and beat someone in the ribs long enough, their ribs would break and puncture and collapse a lung, and that lung would fill with blood -causing a person to have difficulty breathing.
          They KNEW that if enough overweight cops pushed down hard enough with all of their weight that they would be able to crush Kelly’s chest and deprive him of oxygen.
          They KNEW that if they choked Kelly long enough they would be able to render him unconscious.
          They KNEW that if they knee dropped on Kelly’s throat they would crush his throat.
          Cicinelli KNEW that if he bludgeoned Kelly’s eye with the butt end of a Tazer that it would obliterate Kelly’s eye.
          Cicinelli KNEW that if he used that much force bludgeoning Kelly’s face that it would smash facial bones, cause brain damage and cause massive bleeding and choking on blood.
          They KNEW that if they Tazered someone enough times that it could stop their heart.
          They KNEW that if they saw massive amounts of blood on the ground that Kelly was bleeding out.
          They KNEW that Kelly was begging for his life, calling them “SIR,” apologizing to them, telling them that he was having trouble breathing, screaming in pain, calling for his dad and God to save him, over and over again; nonetheless, the merciless officers continued beating and Tazing Kelly until he was dead.
          The officers KNEW that Kelly was severely injured and that he was lying in a huge pool of blood, yet they showed him no mercy.
          They KNEW that Kelly had been Tazered repeatedly; they KNEW that Kelly had had his head bashed in; they KNEW that they had been choking and kicking Kelly repeatedly.
          They KNEW that Kelly could not have possibly stood up, or run away, or harmed any of the six bullet proof vest wearing officers in any way, shape, or form. However, the six were not to be satisfied until Kelly was dead.
          They KNEW that when someone is no longer responsive to blows and pain -that the person is unconscious, yet they CONTINUED to bludgeon, knee drop and Taser the unarmed, unconscious Kelly Thomas who was being held down.
          They KNEW that when unconscious Kelly was lying in a huge pool of blood, and choking on blood, that he was mortally wounded and dying, yet they did NOT offer Kelly any first aid.
          The officers KNEW that Kelly was unconscious and bleeding to death and choking on his own blood, yet the officers had the paramedics attend to their own little scraped elbows, BEFORE giving any first aid to Kelly.
          The officers KNEW they had just murdered Kelly Thomas, so they made sure to check where their DARs were, while they ignored brutally beaten Kelly Thomas lying in a huge pool of blood.
          The officers KNEW they had just murdered Kelly Thomas in the street, in front of witnesses, so they confiscated video cameras and cell phones to hide/tamper with evidence. The officers also threatened and intimidated a woman into giving them a roll of photographic film that she had in her camera.
          The officers KNEW they had just MURDERED Kelly Thomas, so they were very careful to cover their tracks by corroborating and re-writing their reports many, many times.
          The FPD KNEW that the pole video would be damning evidence, so they tampered with the evidence and reduced the clarity of the video.
          The FPD KNEW that their officers had just murdered Kelly Thomas, so they started putting out false information about officers’ “broken bones” and they immediately activated their thin blue line of silence.
          Sellers KNEW that the FPD had just murdered Kelly Thomas, so he jumped ship and went on vacation and then immediately went on medical leave, and then retired, -all in an effort to avoid having to face up to his responsibility for the corruption in the FPD.
          McKinley, Jones and Bankhead KNEW they were in DEEP DOO DOO, so they began their ludicrous efforts to try to minimize Kelly’s injuries, (even though Kelly was DEAD). They began their campaign of obfuscation, denial and non-responsibility to the citizens of Fullerton.
          The six officers KNEW that the thin blue line of silence, and POBAR, would cover up their MURDER.
          The officers KNEW that they would have unlimited funds and a friendly D.A. at their disposal -to defend their “right” to MURDER someone under color of authority.

          We are not going to have to stand in front of the DA’s office,
          It is going to be done for us.

          1. John Doe stated, “We are not going to have to stand in front of the DA’s office, It is going to be done for us.”

            That’s correct; you and Cici will definitely be far, far too busy, -sitting in your prison cells.

            Don’t worry, THOUSANDS of citizens will be outside the D.A.’s office….CHEERING!!

  19. Hog Wild :You think these officers are lamenting about not coming back to FPD? Oh you of little knowledge! And they with all that $$$$$$$ from you guys.

    All the $$$$$$ will never be able to wipe the blood from thier hands.

  20. truthseeker :
    JD the agents of the state went too far with Kelly. Kelly like all of the other homeless have the right to live on the street and be given due process no matter how much they may smell or whatever. It is not open season in this country on anyone.

    Officers have to do their job. And if it’s tackling a guy to the ground cause he does not comply oh well. Kelly knew what he was doing. He was trained from one of the best in manipulation, Ron Thomas.

    1. @John Doe stated, “Kelly knew what he was doing.”

      The six armed, trained, bullet proof vest wearing “peace officers” KNEW what THEY were doing.

      Ramos and Wolfe, KNEW that Kelly Thomas was UNARMED and that there was NO evidence, and NO witness, to assert that Kelly had committed any felony.

      Ramos KNEW that Kelly Thomas was mentally ill; however, Ramos insisted on escalating the situation by playing inane verbal games with Kelly, by being confrontational, sarcastic, antagonistic, ridiculing, demeaning and hostile towards Kelly, which will NOT gain the trust of a mentally ill person and it will get you absolutely nowhere with someone who is mentally ill. Ramos KNEW that he would be able to quickly antagonize and escalate the situation with Kelly Thomas, a disabled mentally ill person, by using these aggravating tactics.

      Ramos KNEW that his continued verbal harassment of Kelly would escalate the situation and cause Kelly to become much more anxious, fearful, confused, defensive and belligerent than if Ramos had been interacting with a person who was not suffering from mental illness.

      Ramos KNEW that someone who is mentally ill CAN not, and DOES not, respond to stress, to commands, or to questioning in the same way that a person who is not mentally ill would respond.

      Ramos KNEW that Kelly’s mental illness would cause him to process information differently, and with a much more disorganized and confused thought process, than someone who is not mentally ill.

      Ramos KNEW that IF he had been civil, calm, respectful, and NON threatening towards Kelly, and IF Ramos had explained to Kelly that he wanted to take him to the station for questioning, until further investigation was done as to where the junk mail had come from, then Kelly would have very likely cooperated and allowed himself to be cuffed and taken to the jail, IF Kelly had trusted the motives of Ramos.

      Ramos KNEW that he COULD have and that he SHOULD have called for a CIT team to de-escalate the situation and deal appropriately with someone who is mentally ill, especially someone who was unarmed and who had not committed a felony, and someone who was posing NO danger to anyone.

      Ramos KNEW that if he threatened Kelly Thomas with the “ these fists are going to F you up if you don’t comply” threat, that he would be escalating the situation, that he would cause Kelly to fear for his life, and that he would cause an already confused mind to become even more confused, anxious, fearful and agitated. Ramos KNEW that his actions would escalate the situation with a mentally ill person, instead of de-escalating the situation.

      Ramos KNEW that Kelly was backing away from him because Ramos had just threatened Kelly with great bodily harm and because Kelly, who was mentally ill, was finally becoming agitated and afraid, just as Ramos had planned. Ramos still KNEW that Kelly Thomas was unarmed and that he was not a threat to the officers’ lives, and that there was NO evidence that Kelly had committed any felony. The officers KNEW that they could have called a CIT team to assist them with a mentally ill person.
      Ramos and Wolfe KNEW that if they called for backup, that Kelly would receive a brutal beating.
      The officers KNEW that Kelly was unarmed, and NOT a threat to anyone. They knew Kelly was backing AWAY out of fear for his safety. Yet, Wolfe decided to strike Kelly Thomas brutally with his baton, and then smash Kelly’s head into the curb.

      The officers KNEW that if they kicked someone and beat someone in the ribs long enough, their ribs would break and puncture and collapse a lung, and that lung would fill with blood -causing a person to have difficulty breathing.

      They KNEW that if enough overweight cops pushed down hard enough with all of their weight that they would be able to crush Kelly’s chest and deprive him of oxygen.

      They KNEW that if they choked Kelly long enough they would be able to render him unconscious.

      They KNEW that if they knee dropped on Kelly’s throat they would crush his throat.

      Cicinelli KNEW that if he bludgeoned Kelly’s eye with the butt end of a Tazer that it would obliterate Kelly’s eye.

      Cicinelli KNEW that if he used that much force bludgeoning Kelly’s face that it would smash facial bones, cause brain damage and cause massive bleeding and choking on blood.

      They KNEW that if they Tazered someone enough times that it could stop their heart.

      They KNEW that if they saw massive amounts of blood on the ground that Kelly was bleeding out.

      They KNEW that Kelly was begging for his life, calling them “SIR,” apologizing to them, telling them that he was having trouble breathing, screaming in pain, calling for his dad and God to save him, over and over again; nonetheless, the merciless officers continued beating and Tazing Kelly until he was dead.

      The officers KNEW that Kelly was severely injured and that he was lying in a huge pool of blood, yet they showed him no mercy.

      They KNEW that Kelly had been Tazered repeatedly; they KNEW that Kelly had had his head bashed in; they KNEW that they had been choking and kicking Kelly repeatedly.

      They KNEW that Kelly could not have possibly stood up, or run away, or harmed any of the six bullet proof vest wearing officers in any way, shape, or form. However, the six were not to be satisfied until Kelly was dead.

      They KNEW that when someone is no longer responsive to blows and pain -that the person is unconscious, yet they CONTINUED to bludgeon, knee drop and Taser the unarmed, unconscious Kelly Thomas who was being held down.

      They KNEW that when unconscious Kelly was lying in a huge pool of blood, and choking on blood, that he was mortally wounded and dying, yet they did NOT offer Kelly any first aid.

      The officers KNEW that Kelly was unconscious and bleeding to death and choking on his own blood, yet the officers had the paramedics attend to their own little scraped elbows, BEFORE giving any first aid to Kelly.

      The officers KNEW they had just murdered Kelly Thomas, so they made sure to check where their DARs were, while they ignored brutally beaten Kelly Thomas lying in a huge pool of blood.

      The officers KNEW they had just murdered Kelly Thomas in the street, in front of witnesses, so they confiscated video cameras and cell phones to hide/tamper with evidence. The officers also threatened and intimidated a woman into giving them a roll of photographic film that she had in her camera.

      The officers KNEW they had just MURDERED Kelly Thomas, so they were very careful to cover their tracks by corroborating and re-writing their reports many, many times.

      The FPD KNEW that the pole video would be damning evidence, so they tampered with the evidence and reduced the clarity of the video.

      The FPD KNEW that their officers had just murdered Kelly Thomas, so they started putting out false information about officers’ “broken bones” and they immediately activated their thin blue line of silence.

      Sellers KNEW that the FPD had just murdered Kelly Thomas, so he jumped ship and went on vacation and then immediately went on medical leave, and then retired, -all in an effort to avoid having to face up to his responsibility for the corruption in the FPD.

      McKinley, Jones and Bankhead KNEW they were in DEEP DOO DOO, so they began their ludicrous efforts to try to minimize Kelly’s injuries, (even though Kelly was DEAD). They began their campaign of obfuscation, denial and non-responsibility to the citizens of Fullerton.

      The six officers KNEW that the thin blue line of silence, and POBAR, would cover up their MURDER.

      The officers KNEW that they would have unlimited funds and a friendly D.A. at their disposal -to defend their “right” to MURDER someone under color of authority.

      1. Kelly knew what he was doing
        Kelly was egging the cops on
        Kelly was disrespectful
        Kelly was a jerk
        Kelly said the “F” word more than 10 times
        Kelly resisted arrest
        Kelly has big balls
        Kelly was smelly
        Kelly was dirty
        Kelly was drunk
        Kelly did not have a crushed thorax\
        Kelly did not have broken ribs
        Kelly got up and ran
        Kelly did not comply with officers commands
        Kelly punched Officer Wolfe in the forehead
        Kelly grabbed Officer Ramos’ baton
        Kelly was kicking the officers
        Kelly was screaming like a little bitch, but would not comply
        Kelly tried to grab Officer Cicinelli’s taser
        It took six officers to try to control Kelly.
        No one sat or crushed Kelly
        No one killed Kelly.

        1. Officer Ramos did not know Kelly
          Officer Wolfe did not know Kelly
          Officer Cicinelli did not know Kelly
          Officer Hampton did not know Kelly
          Officer Blatney did not know Kelly
          Officer Craig did not know Kelly
          Officer Ramos was very professional with Kelly
          Officer Wolfe was very professional with Kelly
          Officer Ramos was very calm with Kelly
          Officer Wolfe was very calm with Kelly
          Officer Ramos was very patient with Kelly
          Officer Wolfe was very patient with Kelly
          Kelly brought the incident on by being very disrespectful and not complying with the officers.
          Kelly was dropping the f bomb and officer Ramos did not tell him to stop.
          Kelly had the right to say “Fuck”, but not Officer Ramos.
          We all know that saying the F word is not second degree murder.
          Just a word to make Kelly comply, which he had no intention of doing.
          Maybe Ron Thomas should of taught him to have respect for the law.

          1. POOP. POOOOOOOP. POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP. Wipe, post, repeat.

            The exodus from JD’s anus continues. I’m buying more stock in Charmin . . . or is it Quilted Northern JD?

            1. @ Reality Is…n’t.
              You sociopathic, pathological, immature liars just don’t like hearing the truth, -and you most certainly would never admit the truth. Yes, by all means, keep banging your heads on the wall; perhaps someday it will knock some sense into your heads, but I’m not holding my breath.

  21. Nomad, the blood is on the hands of Ron Thomas, why do you think he works so hard to blame others for K’s death. He feels the guilt.

    And again I ask why Ron T. was asked to leave the police academy after only three months. Does anyone know? I think the reasons he was asked to leave tie in with Kelly’s mental illness. Telling everyone he was a LEO. What a wanna be. A legend in his own mind.

  22. Nah, the blood is on the hands of the murders. I could stoop to your level and blame their parents for not helping them to get the psychological help/anger management they needed, or not raising them better, but I understand that Cicinelli and Ramos made their own decisions, just like Kelly Thomas made his. One could ask why Jay Cicinelli went against the wishes of LAPD and secretly, and perhaps illegally, conjured up a deal to move departments. As much as you try to shift the blame to the victims, you have no facts to back up your nonsense. Nor to address any of the questions surrounding Cicinelli’s own mental illness, and the role it played in him being declared an unfit cop. Just having a missing eye is not reason enough to try and force a cop into retirement. Let’s be real for a second if you can face the truth.

  23. “That is what happens to cities that don’t back up their officers. Who gives a shit!!

    I think that is what happens to cities who don’t properly screen their officers or make secret deals to let potentially mentally unstable officers on the force.

  24. My very complete research shows that Cicinelli was never declared unfit and was even offered a job with LAPD.

    There were other circumstances surrounding the issue and therefore he decided not to stay. The chief at the time was taking so much heat that he took the easy way out and offered Cicinelli a peace offering. That was for the chief more than anything else. Ask him.

    But he was never declared unfit mentally. None of his records show anything like that.

    Like it or not, that’s the way it was.

    And you are right, the blood is on the hands of the murderers. Kelly himself and RT.

    And no deal was conjured up for Cicinelli to move departments. He worked for a year with no salary to prove himself, and did so, and was hired by the vote of the city council not the chief. A different council than the current one or ex-current one. And it included the city manager and the city attorney. So all of you blaming Mc for hiring these guys, think again. You are blaming the wrong people.

    1. My very complete research shows that Cicinelli was never declared unfit and was even offered a job with LAPD. ”

      Ha ha ha! That’s funny.

  25. Man, FPD must be scared shitless of what the Feds are going to find. If they can scare much bigger cities like Seattle and Oakland into not beating up citizens, imagine the effect they can have on Fullerton. When you throw in all of the cities nationwide that have been/are in the process of shifting from city police to sheriffs to save money; Millbrae, Camden, Boynton Beach, Barstow, Yorba Linda, etc., I wonder how much longer Hughes is going to pretend like he can keep Hampton, Craig, and Blatney on the force without dire consequences.

  26. Kelly and RT are the murderers? I must’ve missed that one.

    According to L.A. Times article: “In September, Cicinelli said an internal Los Angeles Police Department memo that indicated he would be fired had been leaked to him.”

    His mom: “his job is gone and his dream of being a police officer is gone.”

    Cicinelli himself: I think he (Michael Hillman) had a lot to do with getting me this job, I know he was good friends with Chief Pat McKinley”

    It’s fairly like that if Cicinelli himself admitted he was only able to get hired on as a personal favor to a former boss, the brass were able to get psychologists to look the other way regarding his mental stability.

  27. He can buy himself a few more months by firing the other officers. Hampton is going to be removed eventually anyway for the Mam and Quironez incidents. Why protect loose cannons when you are hanging on by a thread yourself?

  28. Elaine: Thank-you for sharing about your son’s schizophrenia. I can only imagine how difficult it must be for a parent to try and care for a child with mental illness. I work with Emotionally Disturbed children, and I know how difficult they can be, even when taking their meds and in a structured environment. Take those things out, and it’s nearly impossible to reason with them. I wish some of the people on here would learn a little about the disease before making inane comments about how the Thomas’ should have done a better job controlling their son. I have not heard one valid suggestion on here about how you force a grown person with schizophrenia to take their meds or stay off the streets. Good luck with your son in the future.

    1. And Brandon, thank you for your continuing support for all of us struggling to improve the situations of our mentally ill relatives. Since there is no Rx that treats claustrophobia, this makes it especially difficult to get housing for claustrophobic homeless relatives.

  29. Brandon :
    He can buy himself a few more months by firing the other officers. Hampton is going to be removed eventually anyway for the Mam and Quironez incidents. Why protect loose cannons when you are hanging on by a thread yourself?

    He’s building his pension up before he does a DISABILITY PENSION that we will pay for.

  30. KCAL9 report:

    Bicyclist struck by two vehicles on Bastanchury west of Harbor; first car to strike the victim left the scene without stopping. Second car did not.

    Victim has died – driver of first car (dark vehicle – SUV?) is now facing felony hit-and-run, and vehicular manslaughter.

      1. @John Doe, please try to keep up.

        “JFA is God” is “Reality Is.”

        “Peaches” and “Reality Is” are definitely not the same person.

        FYI, I don’t post under any other moniker other than “Justice for All.”

        1. “…choose you this day whom ye will serve…but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” Joshua 24:15 King James Version(KJV)

  31. Justice, been thinkin’ about your missive to JD and have gone over it several times.

    The conclusion I have drawn from it is that the officers should have just shot KT and been done with it. Sound crass? If they had done that we would not be here today hashing this over.

    What a mess!

      1. You are correct; that is their usual M.O. -MURDER under color of authority, then lying, re-writing reports, and of course, the ubiquitous thin blue line of silence to cover for them.

  32. Yeah shooting someone for not kowtowing to sadistic thugs harassing someone under false pretenses makes perfect sense, if you are living in Nazi Germany.

    1. The names of Kelly Thomas’ MURDERERS are:
      Kenton Hampton, Kevin Craig, James Blatney, Joseph Wolfe, Manuel Ramos and Jay Cicinelli.

        1. Apparently, your Neanderthal FPD husband doesn’t let you out of the cave very often to see the light of day. Poor thing!

  33. Ron is no more responsible for Kelly’s behaviors than the Cicinelli’s were for not helping their son get proper mental care after being shot. The only difference is Kelly annoyed people, Jay murdered someone. One could argue Jay was more imbalanced than Kelly. Or that the Thomas’ did a better job of instilling morals in their son than the Cicinelli’s. All we know for sure though is both men were responsible for their own actions.

  34. Actually there are thousands of supporters for the Thomas family and a dozen or so who support the officers. That’s why there are no fundraisers or candlelight vigils for them. I wonder what % of Fullerton residents want them out of town.

      1. Round shit, smart shit, square shit, brown shit . . . I know all your shits JD. You poop a new shape and color every day on this board.

        Poop, wipe, post repeat. See you tomorrow for another poopy round.

  35. @ Bill Handel: You are probably right. He will probably be happy to jump the sinking ship and live off his bloated pension. I feel bad for all of you guys who are having to pay for the FPD’s indiscretions. Those civil settlements are going to be in the tens of millions before it’s finished. That averages to several hundred dollars per taxpayer.

  36. Ronald T :I just pissed on Kelly’s memorial. The bums loved me.

    No wonder that one eyed beasts biological father dumped this family of inbreds

    1. That one eye so call beast is gonna be a millionaire and you are not. Why would he want to be a cop. He can just live off his millions.

      1. @John Doe, What can Cici buy with “his millions” of imaginary dollars??

        Answer: He can imagine spending all of his imaginary millions -while he is sitting in his VERY REAL prison cell. Fun Times Ahead for Cici!!! Umm, not so much.

  37. Larry/Emil

    You referring to Cici father? I believe he was killed in the line of duty when Cici was very small.

  38. come on admin., it`s really time to get rid of this SICK ASSHOLE….”JOHN DOE”. Just in reference to his#124 & 125 blogs on here alone, he is one SICK dude!!!!!!! I`m sure EVERYONE is so damn sick of his heartless, nasty, rotten statements on here!!!! He has made it quite clear, on MANY blogs how he feels, and that`s fine, but this #124,&125 is ENOUGH!!!! ANYONE, who can view that murderous video, then say the things that he has said on here, is such a poor ”EXCUSE for a human being”, and sick in the head, SERIOUSLY!!! Just like his ”cop buddies”. Please, consider getting him…. OUT of ”FFFF”, DON`T post his sick crap anymore. I`m sure the large majority of ”FFFF” BLOGGERS would agree!!!!! He`s gotten to voice his opinion, many times over, and I for one , ( & I`m SURE MANY OTHERS),….. have had enough of him, her, it, or whatever the hell ”IT” is!!!!! PLEASE CONSIDER, AND DO MANY …A FAVOR??!!!

    1. @ Bob, no worries…the numbers change as new posts are added. I concur with your feelings of revulsion for JD, RI, and all the rest of the slimy apologists; however, since they are disease carrying mosquitoes, they will be eradicated with RAID when the time is right. They are their own worst enemies, and they don’t even realize it.

      1. These guys repeat the same lines over and over again, they can barely speak English and most get off at thought of murdering someone for non-compliance.

        There is a difference between supporting police and being a complete tyrannical psychopath. Guys like Lisa, John Doe, Reality Is, EyeNeverSayNo, Hog Wild, etc don’t support the police, they support the idea of total tyranny and murder without consequence.

        Its less about the badge and all about power through fear and intimidation. There are thousands of these thugs making their way up through the ranks of law enforcement both local and federal who would love nothing more than to turn this country into a tyrannical 3rd world nation.

        We cannot remain silent, we must remain vocal and vigilant when it comes to police brutality. If we don’t then our future is going to be very bleak.

        1. The Answer.. We are here in support of all Police Officers who are always deemed by people like you.They have a very tough job to do without rewards. If you don’t like it, why don’t you become a police officer and take the challenge. You wouldn’t last a day on the streets.

          1. John Doe stated, “We are here in support of all Police Officers who are always deemed by people like you.”

            Hey, John DOPE, would you care to give us a translation of your Dopelanguage?? Where can I find a John Dope to English Dictionary?

          2. @John Dope, if you don’t like your “tough job” with tons of overtime and a retirement pension that the private sector does not have, and you can’t do it without TORTURING and MURDERING innocent, unarmed people….QUIT and go and be a mailman! Oh, that’s right, you CAN’T be a mailman, you CAN’T READ or WRITE! Too bad!

            1. I enjoy my $250k a year. I’ll enjoy my job as Captain again more. This PR kiss azz stuff suks. Hire someone quick!

                1. I heard they are gonna hire a lesbian female captain from LAPD to be Fullerton chief. Rainbow coalition.

            2. So now I am a mailman. JFA you are running out of jobs that you think I do. Mailman sounds kinda fun. I would love to ride those two open door jeeps.

            3. You keep wanting me to work and I have told you and the other suckers in this blog, that I don’t have to work. I think it’s great that officers get paid well and have good pensions. They deserve it.

  39. Bob: I share your disdain for those who have no regard for human life. But if you really read their posts, you see they are deeply disturbed individuals incapable of rational thought or empathy. Wasting our energy hating them or trying to get them see things as they are is futile. Getting those they support off the streets is much more satisfying, and that is already being done.

  40. It was all a hoax j.d cici’s biological dad faked his own death just so he could put some distance between himself and that family of inbreds

  41. Now his stepdad is stepping haha forward so he can collect some cash if cici is able to wigglr free of these charged and sue the city. to bad he turned his back on his brain damaged bastard instead of getting him the help he needrd so he wouldnt go around murdering people

    1. “They are not that smart;” that’s why they are hanging themselves with their own words, every day.

  42. RI :
    More people see you as something similiar to AIDS JFA. Except your 11 followers here.

    With what whatever it was, 10,000-11,000 hits per day on this Blog, you are on a “Government Teat” HIGH!

  43. Hog Wild :Justice, been thinkin’ about your missive to JD and have gone over it several times.
    The conclusion I have drawn from it is that the officers should have just shot KT and been done with it. Sound crass? If they had done that we would not be here today hashing this over.
    What a mess!

    We want to play with cicis glass eye want to play with us? sound crass? Emil wants to stick his thumb in cici worn out slopy socket socket an tickle his brain i think he said his thumb

  44. John Doe :That one eye so call beast is gonna be a millionaire and you are not. Why would he want to be a cop. He can just live off his millions.

    So can we JD were loaded just like you, we earned our milions by collecting cans. We do agree on one thing if Kt dad would have forced his son to stay home against hes own free will that brain damaged one eyed beast would not have been able to beat him to death with his tazer. He was lookin kinda seedy in court today looks like hes rotting from the inside outs

  45. 1 year :Happy Anniversary

    Maybe cices biological dad can wire him some of his “trickin” money so he can get a haircut or maybe you could loan him a few bucs j.Doe your loaded right . I mene c’mon the guy looks like shit!

  46. John Doe :Kelly knew what he was doingKelly was egging the cops onKelly was disrespectfulKelly was a jerkKelly said the “F” word more than 10 timesKelly resisted arrestKelly has big ballsKelly was smellyKelly was dirtyKelly was drunkKelly did not have a crushed thorax\Kelly did not have broken ribsKelly got up and ranKelly did not comply with officers commandsKelly punched Officer Wolfe in the foreheadKelly grabbed Officer Ramos’ batonKelly was kicking the officersKelly was screaming like a little bitch, but would not complyKelly tried to grab Officer Cicinelli’s taserIt took six officers to try to control Kelly.No one sat or crushed KellyNo one killed Kelly.

    Word on the street is cici real biological dad had a near death in the line of duty during an oral blow bang if you knew it was me why didnt you come over and say hello JD with all our millions we could form quite a power couple just like cici with all his millions and that worn out skank of a wife of his Ill nbet your alot hotter than her. you sure sound smart! to.

  47. I think your right Jd about how chickenshit it was for capt, H to leave his guys hanging out to dry what a bastard too bad he can.t be sued for wrongful termination or somrthing.

  48. We saw a photo of cicis wife at another sight we visit, cop talk i think it is called Oh my Gawd what a shrew. if you think cici is bad you ought to see her ungh1!!!She is definetly NOTHOT like you J.d

  49. What about Ramos, Wolfe, and Goodrich Mrs. Doe? Seriously, is there a weight limit for being an officer? I mean, those guys couldn’t catch a double leg amputee without calling for back-up.

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