NEW: Kelly Thomas killing aftermath: Reforming how cops deal with the homeless

Editor’s (Cal Watchdog) note: Today marks a year since Kelly Thomas, an unarmed homeless man, was severely beaten by Fullerton police. He died five days later. This is the first of a three-part series.

By Tori Richards

An outside investigation into whether police officers violated policy leading up to the beating death of homeless man Kelly Thomas will be completed shortly. If consistent with preliminary findings, the investigation will lambast the Fullerton Police Department for a series of blunders.

A CalWatchDog.com investigation has found that, not only have the officers’ actions violated the city’s police policy manual, they are in sharp contrast to another police agency that encounters the homeless at a rate hundreds of percentage points higher, but without a record of violence.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department — a model agency in its dealings with the homeless — has more than 2,000 encounters a month and runs a groundbreaking program that seeks to aid that sector, rather than incarcerate them.

“The International Association of Chiefs of Police gave its highest award to the LASD in 1996 because we partnered law enforcement with mental health and social workers to work together and identify people living on the streets and provide opportunities to them,” said Sheriff’s Capt. Mike Parker.

That was 16 years ago and LASD is still going strong. Numerous police agencies have followed their lead and initiated their own polices, including Fullerton.

But on July 5, 2011, none of that seemed to matter when Thomas had a fatal run-in with six police officers at a Fullerton bus depot. The 37-year-old man was a schizophrenic who preferred living on the streets to a structured life indoors where he took his medicine. Read more here.

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174 thoughts on “NEW: Kelly Thomas killing aftermath: Reforming how cops deal with the homeless

  1. $25,000? Ron deserves 25 million! Time to show the cops, and the cities that this behavior won’t be tolerated.

  2. If Ron wants to trade his son for 25k for the chance of being on stage for 4 years as mayor than it’s worth it to Ron.

  3. When calling the Police or for help is a form of Sadism, crime sets into the Fabric of Society, then becomes a “Generational Issue”.

    “Jimmy Hoffa
    “…He served as the union’s General President from 1958 to 1971…” -Wikipedia

  4. If the LACSD can teach everyone in OC better ways to deal with the homeless, that will be great. I’d want better evidence that they can, though, than an award given to them 16 years ago….

    1. “I’d want better evidence that they can, though”…….. Hmmmmm

      So, are you saying Golem that it is impossible for Police to deal with a homeless as a sovereign person based on the constitutionally protected Bill of Rights and to uphold unalienable rights?

      I think that you are bigger lunatic that I previously believed.

    2. that and 25 % of the people they kill are unarmed, but still for some reason “reaching for their waist”.

  5. I am of the opinion the only way ALL the dirty laundry will come out is if there is a civil trial. There will be different witnesses called to testify and the trial will be about civil law, not criminal law.
    Wondering of this will have any affect on any civil rights trial the Feds are cooking up…………..

  6. Ron Thomas’ ex-wife already got her $1 million, now Ron is looking for his … they didn’t give a damn about Kelly when he was living on the streets, but now have $$$$ signs in their eyes. Funny how $$$$ can always make things “right” with these people. Nobody cared about Kelly on the 4th of July last year.

    One year ago tonight Kelly Thomas was caught lifting door handles in the Slidebar parking lot. FPD arrived and EIGHT lawful commands were given, and then disregarded one-by-one. He resisted arrest to the very end. He sealed his fate — the sad thing is that so many others (like Jay) have had to suffer for Kelly’s wrongdoing.

    It’s been a long year — but soon Jay and Ramos will be vindicated …

    http://friendsforjay.org/

      1. Don’t forget about the fact that Ron is not even blood related to Kelly. That he beat Kelly’s mom so badly hat she had to be hospitalized and he was forced to resign from the Sheriffs. No wonder Kelly was screwed up!!

        1. Let’s not forget that you’re a whore. A whore who blames victims.

          That’s the worst kind, lady. Enjoy the Karma wagon. It’s coming for you.

        2. There is more to come Anonymous…….much more all in good time and from a credible source. Ron will have a lot of explaining to do. That is why he filed his lawsuit now rather than later. Funny how he said it wasn’t about $$$ for him.

    1. Talk about being transparent. He is not discussing the amount. Good going Ron. You are so big on transparency, but you are not talking. Who is calling the kettle black?

      1. Stick and Stones will break their bones (and Kelly’s), but words will never hurt them. They laugh at the names you call them. They are pretty funny. Have another beer guys.

    2. Lisa, there is not getting past the evidence of the CCTV and eye witness accounts. Yet, if it can be shown that pat McKinley instilled a culture of corruption while FPD police chief and was aided and abetted in his corruption by other civic leaders and public servants who influence the public’s perception of their respective law enforcement agencies, then the severity of the charges against Ramos and Cicinelli may be ameliorated by showing these two,officers were conforming to their employers expectations.

    3. you are indeed one lost soul, get some professional help and get away from the murdering cops you are blathering about.

    4. Lisa,maybe you know something we all don’t. Maybe you could share that with us all. Like maybe you could let us in on the source of all this bitter, dull, connivance and how it manifested itself in these”police officers” It is obvious you are not a mother of a child. I think Ron Thomas is going in deep,he certainly is not interested in money,the city of Fullerton offered him about 1,000,000.00 USD(one Million Dollars) the week that his son was beat to death by the Fullerton Police Department and he did not settle then. He wanted answers. He still wants them.

          1. Believe what you want Frita, no one really cares, unless you are Kelly’s Army. They will be there next to Daddy Thomas for a hand out.

  7. This civil case needs to go all the way to trial for the truth to get exposed. Ron Thomas will show us his true colors by whether he settles with the man for a big lump sum or takes this all the way to trial in the interest of transparency and justice. IMO anything short of a jury trial is a sell out. Don’t let us down, Ron.

    Oh, and why does the CalWatchDog try to paint LASO as a humanitarian department? They are anything but. Has anybody read about the abuse and criminality perpetrated by the LASO deputies in the LA County jail system? They had to put undercover FBI agents in the jails to catch them at their dirty work. Baca is one of the biggest creeps in LE.

      1. I agree as well. This chance may never come again. The emperor has no clothes right now. Ron please don’t turn off the lights. Take this thing all the way. The movie and book deal will eclipse the civil payouts. The American people need this boost to turn the tide of apathy into a tsunami of righteous indignation against all forms of tyranny.

        1. Oh Please Ron dont let your followers down. This is the test on poor Ron. He might just leave all you suckers in the dust.

        2. If Ron Thomas takes a big payoff and declines to take Kelly’s case all the way to civil trial it would be a slap on his deceased son’s face IMO.

          I will lose all respect for Ron if he settles in advance.

  8. Lisa dear, the “lifting door handles” was refuted. Get over it, please – and have you given credit to Casting Crowns and the songwriters yet?

    And, Lisa dear, is “vindicated” as it refers to the two accused anything like BOHICA?

    Also, Lisa dear, speaking of $$$$ making things right? Jay sure didn’t refuse his LAPD disability pension, did he?

    Have a blessed evening, Lisa dear

    1. I guess we are now under the rules of engagement instead of the use of force continuum here in Fullerton.

  9. Peaches or nectarines what ever your name really is…. Jay received his pension because he was doing his job and taking care of scum like you. He did not loose his eye by being a smart ass and mouthing of to the police. How can you compare the two. Jay deserves his pay how can you justify Ron getting paid if he is not loosing any financial income by the loss of his son. Ron did not even help him financially. I know you want to ask me how do I know. Well lets see Kelly homeless, dirty clothes, eating out of trash cans and charity of peddling, no bath for who knows how long and no shoes, that’s how I know.

    1. Lawsuit awards can be punitive to send a message to the wrongdoers and their enablers. Kelly did not have to provide an income to Ron Thomas for Ron to collect a multi-million dollar award. Where do you people come up with this garbage? Once the jury examines the evidence surrounding Kelly’s murder I think the emotional outrage would result in a massive punitive judgment. We need a full blown jury trial here for the facts and the truth to reach the surface.

      1. If it happens on the bass of “emotional outrage” then the judge will probably pare it down. You’re not really helping the process along there.

        1. Screw the process. I am speaking the truth. Your problem is that you place “process” over truth. You are playing the same games that FPD has played all these years. All people should be emotionally outraged at what happened to Kelly Thomas. And that emotional outrage should be incorporated into the final judgment award. Jurors are humans too. Personally, I hope Ron Thomas bankrupts the City of Fullerton. How’s that for ‘process’?

          1. I’m giving you the facts about what judges do with such awards. What’s your plan, stop the judge from doing what most judges would do in that situation with a mind control ray?

            1. That’s fine, Mr. Process.

              Let the judge strike it down and then we’ll recall him too.

              All people have a duty to be emotionally outraged at outrageous acts like a bunch of bully cops battering a defenseless man to death. Have you lost your humanity? And that emotion needs to be reflected in the judgment. Everything doesn’t have to be done by the book and in an orderly manner like you might have been taught by talking head, empty suit professors in your sanitized classrooms.

              1. Ask someone else whether you can recall a judge.

                At this point I’m mostly interested in who else here agrees with your brief for mob rule. Anyone?

                1. The process is most important. The outcome is immaterial. As long as everything is by the book and in order all is well. And the band played on.

                2. If ‘process’ and ‘order’ were optimum and always won you’d be speaking with a british accent today.

                3. There are things more important than process. Making sure that emotion leads a jury to award more money to Ron Thomas than would normally be considered justified based on the facts is not among them. There’s a difference between my saying that process will probably prevent a certain result in this case and your lampooning it as a belief that process is ALWAYS paramount, which I don’t believe.

                4. As soon as the civil jury sees an overhead projection of Kelly’s face on his deathbed you won’t be able to remove emotion from the equation. Sorry. Emotion is a human given. Humans aren’t machines. Any attempt to remove it from jury’s decision would detract from justice – not add to it. The jurors have every right to be emotional and let it be reflected in their award to Ron Thomas. You don’t want a human jury. You want one made up of automotons.

    2. I missed the “scum like you” comment on my first reading… If I am “scum” and you are not, I am proud to be “scum”

      Have a blessed evening

  10. Great news, last week the brain trusts on this blog were talking about county CEO Tom Mauk taking Joe Felz job. If you guys can get Mauk and Bill Hunt the only one missing would be Carona and I think he’s getting out of prison soon. soon the dream team will be together.

    1. Huh? Nobody on this blog was talking about Mauk. In fact, I bet most of the bloggers knew what was about to go down.

        1. OK let’s get this straight. You said someone was talking about Mauk taking Felz’ job. No one was. Now you bet something about something? Bzzt, loser.

          You need to come to Vegas with me. I’ll make a fortune doing exactly the opposite of what you guess.

  11. Getitright :Peaches or nectarines what ever your name really is…. Jay received his pension because he was doing his job and taking care of scum like you. He did not loose his eye by being a smart ass and mouthing of to the police. How can you compare the two. Jay deserves his pay how can you justify Ron getting paid if he is not loosing any financial income by the loss of his son. Ron did not even help him financially. I know you want to ask me how do I know. Well lets see Kelly homeless, dirty clothes, eating out of trash cans and charity of peddling, no bath for who knows how long and no shoes, that’s how I know.

    JAY IS GOING TO JAIL AND WILL NEVER BE A COP AGAIN. HARD TO UNDERSTAND FOR A WHACKO LIKE YOUR SELF!!!

  12. Why is the audio that was just released of officer Manuel and Kelly Thomas conversaation before the beating not posted on this site so that everyone can hear Kelly Thomas disregard for Police? I know why, it does not benefit FFF and their agenda. FFF open those little one sited minds and see the whole picture. Kelly Thomas is no hero and should not be celebrated as one. Heroes are those that have been killed in action defending our liberty. Those are the heroes.

    1. Heroes die defending our liberties and martyrs die as a sacrifice to pave the way for the heroes. 33:33 of the 6 thug snuff film was released by the priesthood 6+6+ 6.We all saw and heard it. The additional audio that mysteriously surfaced after being run through the lab was originally found in Jimmy Hoffa’s underwear. I am sure that the next piece of evidence the defense will use will be past life regression to show that Ramos and Cicinelli were actually victims of the nazis. At any rate Kelly was no hero he was a martyr. The brave people of Fullerton who blew the lid off of the atrocity, stood and voted are the heroes. Now it’s multigenerational and will not be forgotten. This is the worst pubilcy documented case of police brutality this nation has seen in my lifetime. It will be the last. The pushback has begun.

  13. Lol @ vindication. Let’s face it. Even though Cicinelli and Ramos will likely do the minimum sentences, their lifes are ruined. No respectable citizens want to be seen with them, they will never work in law enforcement again and likely do not possess the education to be employed anywhere else once they are released from prison, they will move out of Fullerton because they are cowards, Cicinelli, who was already mentally unstable, will likely crack in solitary, Ramos will be an old man by the time he gets out, they both will be beaten and raped in prison if they are not in solitary, and the few supporters they still have will turn on them once they are convicted felons. They robbed Kelly Thomas of his life, but by doing so they brought about an end to a corrupt police department/city-council, and motivated citizens to rally around better treatment for the homeless and mentally ill. Quite a bit for two thugs with GEDs that suffered from PTSD. obesity, narcissim, etc.

  14. “Loosed” his eye, mouthing “of,” “loosing” any financial income,” “Lets see,” “I know you want to ask me how do I know,” “Kelly homeless,” “charity of peddling.” Man these guys should spend less time killing citizens and more time graduating high-school. Can you imagine how much worse it would be without spell-check?

    1. No, I can’t. They’re idiots who murder people, celebrate murdering people, then make fun of the victims they murder. That’s pretty much my worse nightmare.

      The fact they’re butchering the English language is just icing on this rancid cake.

  15. By Lisa #14: “One year ago tonight Kelly Thomas was caught lifting door handles in the Slidebar parking lot. FPD arrived and EIGHT lawful commands were given, and then disregarded one-by-one. He resisted arrest to the very end. He sealed his fate — the sad thing is that so many others (like Jay) have had to suffer for Kelly’s wrongdoing.”

    REALLY??? Lifting Door Handles?? Who personally saw this? I doubt anybody…just another story told to get something to happen!

    Given Eight Lawful commands?? I have seen the video, heard the video and read the script…and it seems that “harassment” is the word that best describes what took place! Kelly was questioned repeatedly as to “what is your name?” REALLY??? The cops that were there, all knew who he was!

    “He resisted arrest to the very end” Were you on something when you viewed the video or read the script??? Kelly asking questions and pleading for help ISN’T RESISTING ARREST!!!

    You are pathetic…that you think someone…anyone…deserves the abuse that happened 1 year ago today from the hands of the officers that are sworn to serve and protect. Kelly was not a criminal and did not do anything wrong except for be in the wrong place and the wrong time. You are SICK!!!

  16. The people rallied behind Kelly Thomas not cicinelli, not ramos. There is a vigel to remember Kelly Thomas, none for cicinelli, none for ramos. There will be an art exhibit, concert, and food drive with people volunteering thier time and talent and concern for those in need. This is how Kelly’s life will be “celebrated” The lowest one of us stood tall, when he stood up to 2 costumed thugs and thier murderous cronies and thier “8 unlawful commands”

  17. Longtime …
    you brought up several excellent points.
    Many neighbors, over here in North Fullerton, have discussed at great length the last audio clip that was released depicting the intense verbal ‘harassment’ Ramos inflicted upon Kelly- asking repeatedly “what is your name?”. I believe I recall in the audio Ramos says “is it Thomas?” Obviously, Ramos not only knew Kelly, he was set on provoking him! It’s also clear Kelly was clueless about the Ramos’ questioning of him “lifting door handles”… Clear manipulation by our honorable police.

    By the way Lisa, the recently released audio tape and all videos/ audio before it makes us all even more sick, ashamed, and even more untrusting of Fullerton police.

    1. They were clearly playing mind games, engaging in provocation, escalation, which led to sadistic blood lust and eventually murder. They could also have been just a bunch of fat poorly trained morons who lost their cool. Either way the result is the same. The audio when analyzed in detail only further aids the prosecution. I think FFFF would do well in doing a post on the audio.

    2. Oh yeah, it obvious Ramos knew Kelly. The proof is in the audio. What proof MOFO?
      Kelly was acting stupid and frustrating himself. The officer was cool as can be.

      1. JD/Ramos- Of course you knew Kelly, EVERYONE knew Kelly. Cool as you can be as you beat the shit out of a mentally ill man that was no threat to you. JUst like a Fullerton cop should be, huh? Are you proud?

        And explain how Kelly frustrated himself? Let’s assume he was acting stupid, that deserves a killing? Seee…..that is exactly the problem with FPD, you offer them lip and they will offer you no self control. That’s a rational trade-off.

        1. That is what is great about being a cop. You flinch and I think you want to attack me. And you probably do. I have to protect myself against out of control loonies like Kelly. Ramos told Kelly he was scared of him too. Or you just forgot you heard that on the audio. You hear what you what to hear.

          1. The cops were scared? Then they have no business in that line of work if they were scared of a shirtless, small, unarmed, mentally ill man. The cops were armed, trained and had literally hundreds of pounds on Kelly.

            Scared? If true, then they will be such good little bitches in prison.

            1. Cops are human, just like you. What they cant have fear of shirtless smelly dirty bums? He was shirtless, but not pant less. You would be been afraid if you would seen Kelly coming towards you in the dark, Shit you would of ran across the street.
              The little bitch is you. All talk.

            1. Yeah, I have seen the way you guys look at the city council meetings…Talk about Deliverance. Toothless river rats. So good looking. Nasty!!

  18. Well stated Nomad. Obviously Cicinelli’s family didn’t care enough about him to get him help after he was shot. Any decent parents/wife would have made sure he got psychological help. Oh wait, you can’t force a grown person to get help they don’t want. Well I guess that ruins all the police apologist arguments against the Thomas family being bad parents.

    1. No comparison. Kelly was a rude, smelly bum that ate out of trash cans and picked up cigarette butts all day. Jay is a decorated veteran and a Police Officer that almost lost his life in the line of duty. Your stupidity keeps showing. No argument.

        1. No..you said murderer, his parents are proud of him. Just like many more. Who cares what you haters think about him. You are the minuet population.

          1. which comprises the majority of Fullerton’s electorate. The others that didn’t vote for various reasons by and large agree with those on the right side of things.

            1. According to Wikipedia, narcisicists only make up 1% of the population.

              Psychos or Sociopaths about 3-5% of population

              8,100,000 individuals in the United States have antisocial personality disorder

              5-10% of the U.S. engages in SM for sexual pleasure on at least an occasional basis (Lowe, 1983).
              12% of females and 22% of males reported erotic response to a SM story (Kinsey, Martin, Gebhard, 1953).
              http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/FAQ.html

              http://www.thehiddenevil.com/psychopathy.asp

    2. Brandon, I appreciate so much your defense of the Thomases and of all of us who have attempted repeatedly to get schizophrenic/claustrophobic relatives off of the ground with no success. We have all suffered horribly from this ordeal and deserve sympathy, not blame.

  19. Why haven’t those poor cunts Barry Leverson and Matt Rowe posted on this blog since they had their asses handed to them?

    1. Barry has posted several times, shitforbrains. Why didn’t your mom have an abortion when she had the chance, or at least sell you for medical experiments.

  20. Lisa,
    It’s good to know that the Cicinelli’s are suffering. Please continue to do so. Check in once and a while and let us know how you are doing.

  21. What’s simply amazing to me is the people that come on here and say if a mentally unstable homeless individual “back talks” an individual who is presumably trained to handle this type of behavior, then that homeless individual (or you) deserves to be beaten to death. It seems to me that the people taking this position are themselves mentally unstable and fortunately for the pubic at large, they are a small (but vocal) minority. Cicinelli was apparently hired by ousted City Council member Pat McPension after Cicinelli’s former employer LAPD determined that Cicinelli was not fit for duty and retired him. It’s sad he suffered this fate but presumably this officer was receiving a tax free disability pension from LAPD at 50% of his gross salary for life prior to his hire at FPD. Therefore he was receiving his salary from FPD and the pension from LAPD. Cool if you can do it but I did see the video of his conduct. My opinion is that he was definitely not fit for duty by any stretch of the imagination.

    1. Its symptomatic of their pathological interpretation of authority. They personalize it and it becomes a macho thing – “don’t mess with me buddy, I’m the law.” Its happening everywhere. Cops basically have been trained to be abusive bullies as well as judges, juries and executioners. It seems like this is all codified in documents like the Police Officer Bill of Rights and other legislation. Prosecutors won’t prosecute them for acting arbitrarily abusive and throwing their weight around. its worse for minorities, poor people, and anyone they think won’t have the financial ability to sue them later.

      I think this is endemic but the way to correct it starts with police chiefs who make a point of telling their men that they won’t stand for abuse of authority, no matter what, period.

  22. You blow your husband with that mouth JD? Last time I checked you hide behind the most unoriginal pseudonym there is. But hypocrisy is what your kind is known for.

            1. Wow, what kind of internet troll are you? The worst I have ever come across bar-fucking-none. You absolutely fail at life.

  23. So true Jt. I hypothesize many of them became cops because they were bullied at school or abused at home. Now they want to take it out on others. Cicinelli is a prime example. The guy feels less than after he loses an eye and decides to show Kelly Thomas who’s boss by bashing his head and tasering him to death. Now he and Ramos look like scared little boys in their mug shots. For good reason too; inmates don’t take kindly to cops, especially those who murder mentally ill people. It’s right up there with molesting a child or raping an old woman.

    1. Hey has anybody heard what’s going on with the other 6 officers?
      Anyway, I would also like to see a good article about why police departments have been adapting and evolving into these rouge, militaristic, bad-ass, non-college educated, badge abusing, lying, psychopaths? I mean good god, the majority of calls to police departments, are SERVICE CALLS. So why the hell do we need these robots serving our cities? Don’t get me wrong every city has their bad parts but really…is Orange County really that bad where we need a military mindset? Andy Griffith must be turning in his grave.

  24. Tori Richards wrote a whole lot of baloney about something of which she knows nothing. I don’t know who told her that the police violated police policy, but they were feeding her a line or two.

    On the night of July 5, 2011 all officers were advised by their superiors that they were within policy and had nothing to worry about and were released to return to work. There is audio somewhere of one of the Lieutenants/Captains saying so.

    The policy manual has been gone through with very careful, word by word, extreme examination and the same decision still exists. No Policy violation!

    And the Cicinelli family is doing just fine.

    1. Yep and when that audio is found, heads are gonna roll. Starting with the Capt that said it. He knows who he is.

    2. Why isn’t Fullerton brass standing up for these guys, since they are heros and so innocent. Why aren’t their coworkers up in arms regarding the wrongful arrest and charges? If it is sooo clear cut. Man…sucks for those two heros. Betrayed like that. I mean other than the ANON trolls that are too chicken shit to stand behind their words and convictions. Where is the moral outrage from the other side. The silence is DEAFENING….

  25. And the cause of Fullerton pd fall may start with pat Mckinley’s service as its police chief from 1993 to 2009. Since the Fullerton pd beat Kelly Thomas to death, legal documents have tumbled forth showing numerous settlements paid by the city of Fullerton to Fullerton pd victims.
    I’m glad to see Ron Thomas, father of Kelly, also names pat McKinley in his wrongful death suit against Fullerton.
    I’m not attempting to shift the blame of death from Ramos and Cicinelli and the other Fullerton police officers who murdered Kelly. However, it may be shown in a court of law that Mckinley’s leadership of Fullerton pd crafted a belief within hisnpolice force that the Constitution was a nuisance, that using commando tactics was justified as the fullerton pd was not protecting the community but waging a war against the community .
    It may be shown McKinley wanted to play general winning battles instead of being a public servant that serves and protects the community.
    In defense of McKinley, his colleague from the orange county human relations commission,rusty Kennedy, awarded him it community oriented policing award. Cool.

    1. Very well said Van and the in your face inuendo of the community oriented policing award speaks volumes of the sociopathic nature of these creeps.

  26. O.C. :
    Hey has anybody heard what’s going on with the other 6 officers?
    Anyway, I would also like to see a good article about why police departments have been adapting and evolving into these rouge, militaristic, bad-ass, non-college educated, badge abusing, lying, psychopaths? I mean good god, the majority of calls to police departments, are SERVICE CALLS. So why the hell do we need these robots serving our cities? Don’t get me wrong every city has their bad parts but really…is Orange County really that bad where we need a military mindset? Andy Griffith must be turning in his grave.

    NOTHING WHAT DO YOU EXPECT. THE CORRUPT COPS ARE PROTECTED $$$$$.
    GET RID OF PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS, THESE ANIMALS DON’T DESERVE THE GIFT ANYMORE. LOOK AT WISCONSIN, THE COPS STILL HAVE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS ALL OTHERS HAD THEIRS REMOVED. WHY IS THAT? $$$$$$
    OH! I’M A UNION MEMBER FOR 40 YEARS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

  27. Hog Wild :
    Tori Richards wrote a whole lot of baloney about something of which she knows nothing. I don’t know who told her that the police violated police policy, but they were feeding her a line or two.
    On the night of July 5, 2011 all officers were advised by their superiors that they were within policy and had nothing to worry about and were released to return to work. There is audio somewhere of one of the Lieutenants/Captains saying so.
    The policy manual has been gone through with very careful, word by word, extreme examination and the same decision still exists. No Policy violation!
    And the Cicinelli family is doing just fine.

    OF COURSE THE CORRUPT UPPER BRASS SAID IT WAS OKAY. THEN IT’S OKAY. THANK YOU FOR SQUASHING IT CAPTAIN PSYCHO. BTW DID HE GO OUT ON A DISABILITY PENSION YET?

  28. Greg Diamond :If the LACSD can teach everyone in OC better ways to deal with the homeless, that will be great. I’d want better evidence that they can, though, than an award given to them 16 years ago….</blockquote
    They do have their act together today with mentally ill and homeless behavior. I had an extremely positive experience with LASD and their dealing with a mentally ill loved one, back in May. They took him to the hospital.

    1. That’s good, but it may not work in all cases. The Fullerton cops didn’t routinely kill homeless people either. I’m interested in what they do when responding to a complaint about a homeless person who has something vaguely incriminating on him and he didn’t seem to them to comply well enough with their orders and then tries to run. That’s a tougher challenge.

      1. says you. the FTRA says different. still looking for the missing teenager who left his stuff? he was done that night, put in a train car that ended in Mexico.

  29. something else I`d like to know, is HOW could that”sissy-nellie” draw a disability pension, and NOT be able to go back to [email protected] L.A.P.D., but then get hired on at F.P.D.????? I`m not the brightest bulb in the pack, but maybe that other ”CREEP”, Pat Mckinley, could answer THIS ONE, huh???? Could you imagine any ” regular citizen” being able to do that??? Drawing in 2–GOOD incomes, while having only 1 eye, & beating some young, innocent man to DEATH, along with his ”ROGUE BUDDIES!!!! i USE THE TERM…”REGULAR CITIZEN`S”, cuz you know that we don`t count the same as ”COPS”!!!! They are just SO SPECIAL, AND DESERVE SWEET TALK & MANNERS, WHILE THEY ARE BEATING THE LIFE OUT OF YOU!!!!! Hey MC KINLEY…. HOW ABOUT AN ANSWER TO THIS ONE???!!!! ( SURE THING!!!!)

  30. bob :
    something else I`d like to know, is HOW could that”sissy-nellie” draw a disability pension, and NOT be able to go back to [email protected] L.A.P.D., but then get hired on at F.P.D.????? I`m not the brightest bulb in the pack, but maybe that other ”CREEP”, Pat Mckinley, could answer THIS ONE, huh???? Could you imagine any ” regular citizen” being able to do that??? Drawing in 2–GOOD incomes, while having only 1 eye, & beating some young, innocent man to DEATH, along with his ”ROGUE BUDDIES!!!! i USE THE TERM…”REGULAR CITIZEN`S”, cuz you know that we don`t count the same as ”COPS”!!!! They are just SO SPECIAL, AND DESERVE SWEET TALK & MANNERS, WHILE THEY ARE BEATING THE LIFE OUT OF YOU!!!!! Hey MC KINLEY…. HOW ABOUT AN ANSWER TO THIS ONE???!!!! ( SURE THING!!!!)

    WAKE UP. I AM NOT MEANING TO INSULT YOU MY FRIEND. THE SYSTEM IS CORRUPT AND THESE ANIMALS ARE STEPPING AWAY WITH LUCRATIVE TAX FREE PENSIONS AND LIFETIME FREE MEDICAL.
    VOTE OUT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING FOR EVIL VISCIOUS COPS.
    ALL THESE BEASTS WILL EXIT ON EARLY LIFETIME DISABILITY PENSIONS AND LAUGH AT US.

  31. Anyone else tired of this, “they put their life on the line every day.” Bullshit?
    Cops are pretty far down the list of dangerous/fatal jobs, way below Commercial Fishermen,Garbageman, Roofers,Highrise Construction Workers, Farmers, and a few others. I don’t see Trash Collectors, or Roofers wanting the world to kiss their collective asses for doing dangerous work, they work for a pay check just like the cops, and the cops show up at your door for the same reason the trash guy does, cause we pay them, and we pay them pretty good. If it’s too fucking dangerous they can quit. Enough of this “Life On The Line” crap. I don’t want to hear,”Nobody shoots at the Garbageman” crap either. Dead is fucking dead and the truth is, Garbage men have a more dangerous job then cops. I’m not saying being a cop isn’t dangerous it ranks about tenth on the list, but quit crying and go to work, at you your three day a week job then go back to Temecula and ride your jet skis.

  32. Pete Schindler :
    Anyone else tired of this, “they put their life on the line every day.” Bullshit?
    Cops are pretty far down the list of dangerous/fatal jobs, way below Commercial Fishermen,Garbageman, Roofers,Highrise Construction Workers, Farmers, and a few others. I don’t see Trash Collectors, or Roofers wanting the world to kiss their collective asses for doing dangerous work, they work for a pay check just like the cops, and the cops show up at your door for the same reason the trash guy does, cause we pay them, and we pay them pretty good. If it’s too fucking dangerous they can quit. Enough of this “Life On The Line” crap. I don’t want to hear,”Nobody shoots at the Garbageman” crap either. Dead is fucking dead and the truth is, Garbage men have a more dangerous job then cops. I’m not saying being a cop isn’t dangerous it ranks about tenth on the list, but quit crying and go to work, at you your three day a week job then go back to Temecula and ride your jet skis.

    RIGHT YOU ARE MY MAN.

  33. Kelly was smelly: Fiction
    Jay will piss/shit his pants while begging other inmates not to beat/rape him: Fact
    Jay is a decorated veteran/police officer: Fiction We don’t know how the guy lost his eye, perhaps trying to illegally arrest someone in LA? But we do know he was pushed out by LAPD and got a job in Fullerton without going through proper channels.
    Fact: Kelly Thomas has 10,000 of thousands of supporters signing numerous petitions to keep Cicinelli and his thpigugs off the streets forever. honoring his memory, and remembering him fondly.
    Fiction: Kelly was rude. Countless reports, including from FPD officers who were actually trained to deal with the mentally ill, confirm he was gentle, polite and soft-spoken.
    Fact: Cicinelli is a mentally unstable individual who should have received psychological help long ago. If only someone had cared enough. Perhaps he would have done his job that night and prevented Ramos from murdering him instead of joining in on the fun.
    Fact: Kelly Thomas supporters are braver (most of us use are real names or reveal our identities) smarter (just read the posts and that’s obvious), and can go to sleep at night knowing we contributed to doing the right thing.

  34. You are all talk Brandon you have nothing to confirm countless reports Kelly was a good guy. Give me a break. I have countless of reports that said Kelly was an asshole to people that didn’t give him money. “If” the case goes to trial. There will be alot of people testifying what a jerk he was. Starting from managers at Ralph’s and Albertsons to Brea Pd Supervisors. So cut the crap.

  35. I know you’re not the brightest bulb JD, but even you must realize being a jerk is not a crime punishable by execution. Why don’t you just focus on what a jerk your buddy Cici is, he’s the one on trial here, not Kelly To refresh your memory, many of his fellow officers talked about how the douche bragged about beating Kelly to death. They also said he gives good, hardworking cops a bad name, and that he never should’ve been allowed on the FPD.

  36. Now I know you are not the brightest bulb, cause Kelly will be on trail here. Where do you get off by saying the contrary. It comes down to Kelly’s behavior also..Brandumb.

  37. Kelly was murdered for being “In contempt of cop”. No arguments there. Everything these officers supposedly possesed.. training, common decency, logic, maturity, self control, self esteem all went out the window. Instead these attributes were replaced by violent, frothing egos/sadism of some small minds charged with protecting the public. Disgusting to be sure. The lights went on and the cockroaches scattered as seen at a national level and later when criminal charges were filed. So that brings me to my point. I can appreciate Ron wanting his day in court but 900K or whatever it is seems to be a pretty attractive figure. He can prove something already known and accepted (that’s a given) but when it gets down to damages, my jury experience shows that it’s all about loss of companionship and financial support. I don’t know if that is going to add up to big numbers for Ron. After verdict the city won’t have to pay punishment damages (you can’t get punishment damages from the city) for the officers and any verdict against the individual officers may be uncollectable (Think OJ). Ron may be riding the wave of public opinion right now but it may end up being a shore break with him getting substantially less. That’s not the message he should send. Right? Just sayin’.

  38. The poor girl can only repeat my words and then type “trail” for “trial.” Dyslexia is nothing to be ashamed of JD, but please try to come up with some original thoughts once in awhile. “Brandumb?” Are you 12? lol

    1. John Doe stated, “Dyslexia we all have a from of it.”

      You must have the STUPID FORM of dyslexia.

  39. Stop using the National Guard Armory as a hobo camp. Stop using the Hunt Library and environs as a hobo camp. Run the stinking bums out of town and the cops and decent taxpaying citizens won’t have to worry about the filthy mental cases.

  40. JustUs :
    The jurors have every right to be emotional and let it be reflected in their award to Ron Thomas. You don’t want a human jury. You want one made up of automotons.

    I didn’t say that the jurors couldn’t do it; I said that the judge or an appellate court would reduce the award down to a level more commensurate with other such awards.

  41. If the judge reduces the amount of compensation to be commensurate with other such suits, Ron may get a dollar. ONE DOLLAR! That is what he deserves. You get what you give. And he gave nothing to Kelly. Nothing.

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