Message to Norby: Kill POBAR

Um, Chris Norby, you are a State Assemblyman, right? You stand for something, right? You ran for office for some reason, right?

So now that you’re up in Sacramento, why don’t you do something about the hideous union scam known as POBR – the Police Officer’s Bill of Rights – that grants special protection to cops good and bad. It seems that POBR keeps honest, law-abiding, tax-paying  citizens from knowing which crooked cops have been preying upon the very citizens who pay for their salaries and exorbitant pensions. Are you in favor of this? Do you care? Are you worth a dehydrated ostrich turd?

You’ve been in Sacramento for over two years and so far have accomplished nothing. Zilch. Nada. Zero. So how about finally showing some guts by doing the right thing. Make it legal for all police departments to release all relevant information on cops who have been separated from their police force. If they’ve done nothing wrong the facts will bear this out. If they have violated policy, or worse, if they are criminals, the public has a right to know.

And Sharon Quirk, if you’re reading this (and I know you are) what do you have to say about fixing POBR.


74 Replies to “Message to Norby: Kill POBAR”

      1. Tony.

        I will put my money vs your money.

        I will bet you that more cops have died this year (56) than any farmers. Any ranchers. Any commercial fisherman. Any loggers. Any garbage collectors. Any truck drivers. Any construction workers. Any pilots. Any steel workers. Any roofers. Any others.

        Step up. Back your post. Back your word.



        1. Actually he would be backing the Bureau of Labor Statistics word, but don’t let that get in the way of a goo.. post. And the stats aren’s about a single year, are they. After all, even movie theater fatalities are probably skewed a bit this year, hm? Are 2012 stats for all those industries even available yet, is there a “running tally” kept somewhere central? Can you bet on these things in Vegas? Also, does “this year” really mean 2012 or, since 24 July of 2012? Tell ya what, why don’t you just refute the Bureau of Labor Statistics findings and I’ll be happy to send you a shiny nickel for your trouble.


          Police come in at #10 on the list of most dangerous jobs, (18 deaths per 100,000).

          US Workplace Fatalities 2010

          •116 Deaths per 100,000 in 2010;
          •129 deaths and 61 injuries per 100,000 for 2008.

          The US BLS, Bureau of Labor Statistics, lists the following safety and hazard data.

          One of the most dramatic changes has been within the Fishing Industry, which suffered extremely high occupational death rates in the 1990s. It fell to Number Three on the Top 10 Most Dangerous Jobs List in 2006, but rose to Number One in 2007 and reamins in the top position for 2008 and 2010. It is dangerous and increasing in danger. The deadilist catch is becoming deadlier to the catchers.

          #2 through #10 Most Dangerous for 2010


          Job Title and Number of Deaths per 100,000 People Employed


          2. Loggers and related job titles: 91.9/100,000 — Same place rank as 2008.


          3. Aircraft Pilots and Flight Engineers: 70.6 per 100,000 — Up from #6 in 2008.


          4. Farmers and Ranchers: 41.4 per 100,000 — Same place rank as 2008.


          5. Mining Machine Operators: 38.7 per 100,000 — Up from #8 in 2008. See: The Millfield Mining Disaster.


          6. Roofers: 32.4 per 100,000 — Up from #7 in 2008, becoming more deadly.


          7. Refuse and Recyclable Materials Collectors: 29.8 per 100,000 — Down from #5 in 2008


          8. Driver/Sales Workers and Truck Drivers: 21.8 per 100,000 — Up from #17 in 2008.

          9. Industrial Machinery Installation, Repair and Maintenance Workers: 20.3 per 100,000

          10. Police and Sheriff’s Officers: 18.0 per 100,000 — Up from #12 in 2008.


        3. Reality Is…nt, You lost. It’s time for you to put your money where your mouth is and pay off your bet with Tony. Or, if you’re lucky, Tony may accept an apology in lieu, -if you grovel in an acceptable manner.

  1. Why should certain class of government bureaucrats get special protection on our dime?

    This is nuts!

    I thought cops work for us and for our safety.

    Paying a cop with nice salary, benefits, retirement = we are entitled to know if they are doing their job right and so does the elected officials!

  2. I was just thinking about this. If Kelly’s Army and the justifiably pissed off folks in Anaheim really want to go after the source of these problems, they would jump in their cars and head to Sacramento and protest on the lawn of the Capitol.

      1. Most of these people are so busy just trying to survive and are clueless about the political processes. Our educational system turns out consumers not citizens. While the tragic kingdom down the street is hidden from the backdrop of poverty in the city, the corruption festers. Ordo ab chao is the modus operandus and becomes par for the course. Execution style -the reward for non compliance. This incident is a big problem and they better diffuse it quickly.

        1. Con permiso senor chichis. Escuchame mensa. Has ido a Anaheim lately? Guns and knives are selling like hotcakes. Go talk to the guys behind the counters. They are people not wetbacks and they can shoot and stab just like any sucralosed, aspartamed, medicated alcoholic whitey. They are our fellow human beings. We are all in on this together. Don’t fall for the balkanization crapola.

  3. BTW, it’s BS that Chris hasn’t accomplished anything. Chris is the one who went to Brown with the idea of ending redevelopment. Not sure what anybody expects of him to accomplish unilaterally when the average IQ of the liberal crap-bags up there is about 80.

    1. Norby can pitch that Redevelopment story if he wants.

      I agree with ex-hippy. There is nothing keeping Norby from initiating a bill. If it fails it’s not on him.

    2. Yeah Chris, I’m sure that’s what happened. Brown is a rube and doesn’t know anything about state or city government so of course he needs a guy like Norby, who wasn’t even a city councilman until a decade after Brown stopped being governor, to explain the folly of redevelopment to him.

  4. Chris that’s a great idea!! I think you should lead the group, you can take bushala’s van, smoke tony’s weed and make a road trip out of it!! I think you need to leave right away!

  5. I’ll take your word for it, Chris — but I suspect the simple reason that Brown did the right thing on ReDevelopment was to just grab the money. Doing the right thing probably had little to do with it.

    And other than this one example, I’d agree that Norby’s done nothing. His personal problems with alcohol and wives are serious issues for many of us. I for one would like to see his political career ended, but with another Republican replacing him. And I’m not so sure he’s even a reliable vote for the GOP minority as he’s not easy to trust.

    We could do better.

    1. You guys really need to give Norby a break. I’m sure that “doing the right thing” was an unintended consequence for Governor Brown. I’ve looked at Norby’s legislative record closely and it’s a shame that people want to kick this guy’s ass. Guys like Norby are going to be the ones to open the dialog between the Right and the Left in the State House.

      Too many people are splitting hairs over small “c” conservatives and capital “C” conservatives. William F. Buckley, Jr. had a lot of good stuff to say about that.

      For somebody who’s done nothing, having a hand in eliminating the redevelopment Agencies is historic and shows he has the skills to legislate at the “next level.” He’d be a great replacement for Royce. What’s Royce done for twenty years?

        1. As soon as legislators get over the fear of their heads ending up on one of John and Ken’s “sticks.”

          Unfortunately, this isn’t a process that’s going to take place overnight.

          Perhaps “dialog” wasn’t the right word. We need to counterbalance people like Norma Torres (D). We also need more people to “cross the aisle” when something that is the actually the right thing to do appears, regardless of who authors a measure.

      1. Also have to remember that a majority of us don’t think at such an extreme level as people here. Most people can accept the good parts of POBAR and the court cases behind them. People here want POBAR banished completely. That will never happen.

    2. Completely agree, we could (and should) do much better but until someone with a moral compass and the knowledge and ability to change Sacramento’s path steps up and runs, he is the lesser of two evils at this point.

    3. Chris doesn’t have a problem with alcohol – that was a rumor started by the Deputy Sheriff Union; his marriages are his own business.

      His big problem is that he swings from lazy to manic. You have to catch the energy when you can and then hope his attention doesn’t wander off.

      1. I am just going to say one thing about Chris’s marriage problems, just check out his wife’s Facebook page every now and then and the names she calls him and what she says about him, that says enough. It’s public people.

  6. While certain segments of POBAR may need amending, it offers protection for the good cops to do their jobs free of political pressure. The reason POBAR was enacted was to right the wrongs done by police management on the officers, mainly by the LAPD brass. You can look up the various sections in the Government Code and the case law decisions that followed as the courts weighed in and interpreted each section.

    1. I’m seeing that as I read the court cases and history this morning. Very interesting. Politicians brought this on.

    2. I’d like to hear more about this. As with many other things, moving the dial so that there are more versus fewer protections won’t necessarily help much overall. I’d like to see ideas about how to ensure that the things that ought to be protected are protected but the things that shouldn’t be are not. I have a feeling that that proposal will not fit on a bumper sticker. Still, agitating for reform like this, and increasing the pressure for such serious work, is welcome.

    3. AMEN FE, EXACTLY why POBR was enacted.

      I still haven’t seen anyone on this website post the SPECIFIC section of POBR that suggest it’s a protection for dirty cops?

  7. Let’s get this straight coming right out of the gate.

    Norby is a politician. Nothing more – nothing less. Norby acts from a perspective of self-interest. His first concern is ‘How does this affect me?’ not ‘What is in the best interest of society?’.

    If Norby did the right thing and attacked POBOR in Sacramento he would be considered a pariah by his colleagues. They would stick him in the basement dungeon and the lifeline of party money would get severed. So all these politicians fold and cave to the pressure. All of them know how corrupted POBOR is and how it is a direct affront to the interests of the citizens who they purportedly serve. But MONEY and POWER always wins in the end. To hell with what’s in the best interest of society. It’s all about political expedience and self-interest.

    Norby is just another hand puppet who speaks the party line.

    Were you naive enough to think he was going to save us when he was elected to the State legislature??? 😀

    Norby is a career poltician. Don’t expect anything good from him. You’ll only be disappointed.

    But do you think Quirk would do any better??? 😀

    Your choice is to vote for godzilla or the blob.

    Enjoy your democracy.

    1. Quirk would have been a poor choice. There are enough people of her ilk in Sacramento already.

      Unfortunately, politics has become an exercise in finding the “lesser of two evils.”

  8. Norby can’t do it by himself. You need people from both parties working on this. A lot of people have issues with policing in Cal. Put together interest groups like students, minorities rights, homeless activists, civil liberties people, libertarians of all stripes and get them lobbying for change. A police accountability ballot referendum would one way of approaching this.

    And I agree with Chris Thompson about Norby. But that’s not the issue, POBOR is.

    1. “Norby can’t do it by himself”

      Of course he can’t. But he can at least carry out the will of his constituents and make a stink about it, can’t he? Is there something that prevents him from jumping up on the soapbox and demanding the elimination or massive changes to the POBOR that allows for widespead abuse of civil rights under the cloak of secrecy?

      Stop making excuses for him.

        1. Yeah, right.

          Everybody wants the cops to abuse the citizens or the laws and then be able to hide behind a cloak of secrecy.

          What planet are you on?

          If it were put on the ballot to dismantle POBOR it would get shot down by a 70%-30% margin.

      1. I’m not making excuses. And since I guess you think I’m his buddy, I should explain that I think I’ve only met him once and that was for about 5 minutes about 5 years ago.

        He does vote the right way on some issues I care about. And he did work with Brown on the redevelopment stuff. He may or may not be out for himself but at least he’s not all about party. He’s willing to work with people on the other side of the aisle and that is what it takes to get stuff done.

        I would love to see him do something about POBOR and I have no problem with people pressuring him to do so.

  9. A State Supreme Court ruling known as Copley Press v. San Diego significantly bolstered the POBOR in 2006.

    After the lawsuit worked its way through the judicial system, the high court ruled that the deputy’s identity was exempt from disclosure, even if maintained by a public agency independent from the sheriff’s department. This effectively prevented the public from accessing complaints against police officers. State Bill 1019, written by Senator Gloria Romero (D-Los Angeles), would have overturned the Copley ruling. It passed the state senate in June of 2007, but when it reached the Assembly for a full vote, members of law enforcement, including representatives of the Orange County Sheriff’s Department and the district attorney’s office, showed up in Sacramento to oppose it. The Assembly refused to vote on the bill.

    (emphasis added)

    OC Weekly

    1. I note that it was a liberal Dem senator who wrote the bill to overturn Copley. Norby should be seeking allies like her. That’s the way to get this done.

      1. That’s the problem.

        Norby does nothing but collect his taxpayer funded paycheck and pension benefits.

        Like all politicians, Norby is more concerned about Norby’s future than he is about the public’s welfare.

        Hence, nothing changes.

        Don’t be nice to him. Call him out!

  10. IMO Mayor Tait of Anaheim is to be commended for requesting an investigation by the Calif. AG and the FBI.
    Not a dumbass whitewash job like Fullerton hiring Gennaco and his phony Office of Independent Oversight.

  11. p-e-a-c-e officer ? these pricks ARE Lying, falsifying, fabricating, overtime-abusing, drugged up dirty cop terrorists with “police powers” ( Execute them promptly) just your run of the mill self-satisfied gov’t employees with GUNS looking for sitting duck taxpayers to shoot in the back and get away with it. 7-24-2012

  12. Sharon gonna check first with Loretta Sanchez before she decides to make any statements about anything!

  13. Dear Ex Hippie,
    You’re not going to get anywhere with Quirk. She’s not one to rock the boat. Don’t put your faith in her. It’ll be a waste of time.

  14. Actuality Is :
    I will put my money vs your money.
    I will bet you that more cops have died this year (56) than any farmers. Any ranchers. Any commercial fisherman. Any loggers. Any garbage collectors. Any truck drivers. Any construction workers. Any pilots. Any steel workers. Any roofers. Any others.
    Step up. Back your post. Back your word.


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