Council Pulls Plug on Crappy Subsidized Project

Hey y’all, we gotta do it. Its dun been man-dated!!!

Last night our new council majority voted to end a monstrously dense “affordable” housing project on Commonwealth  Avenue.

I put the word affordable in quotation marks because these 100% subsidized projects somehow end up costing two or three times the amount to build the regular kind of multi-family housing that is built without government subsidy.

This project, targeted for the 300 block of East Commonwealth, was planned for about 361 stories and was approved on the nod by the old recalled council – Bankhead, Jones, McPension plus, of course Sharon Quirk.

But the times they are a changin.’

New councilmen Kiger and Sebourn, along with Bruce Whitaker said no to a continuance, and then, despite the attempts of Doug Chaffee and Sharon Quirk to keep the monster alive, killed it outright.

And to this I say God bless! No more nonsense from cretins like Dr. Dick and his coterie of self-interested hacks about how we are “mandated” to litter our city with this crap.

 

95 Replies to “Council Pulls Plug on Crappy Subsidized Project”

    1. Listen Kuckleheads…”Gennaco found no evidence of an intent to deceive the public was found’. Now what?

          1. -and of course Hughes watching the snuff film 300 times and thinking it would change my mind puts him a class all of his own in my opinion.

      1. JD aka Stupid Boy-So a paid contracter who was chosen by his friends at the city said whatever they wanted him to say-now what?

        Go pound sand.

        1. Check it out. We’ve all been so patient with numbnut JD.
          Just look at the responses above from Fullerton Resident X, DTF and merijoe.
          Such logic and great points by all, however John Doe’s limited cerebral capacity will NOT allow him to understand this.
          He still thinks because Gennaco said it, it MUST be true.
          What an ignorANUS!

  1. Here we go!

    This may be a moment for SQS to decide to jump on the train, or be left behind. It’s her choice.

  2. There we go! *genuflect genuflect* Living borderline 300 block and tolerating nearly 2 straight years of CONSTANT construction on Commonwealth, I had some pretty big fears regarding that “project.” (And lets face it, it would have become just that. Projects.) I am THRILLED this happened! So I take back what I said about the fireworks….Well, I kinda do.
    Considering the “modern efficiency” apartments on Lemon and Commonwealth were so successful (tongue in cheek) Who panhandles on the stoop of their own building? Residents at Lemon and Commonwealth do.
    THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

    1. Other than the lawyers flapping their jaws & racking up hours, architects cutting and pasting, and consultants consulting, no.

  3. The lifting of the fireworks ban and the dousing for the affordable housing project are nice appetizers but when is the latest and greatest City Council going to serve up the main course……specifically taking action against the ‘culture of corruption’ that murdered Kelly?

    People are going to start getting impatient. The recall didn’t happen due to a fireworks ban or a housing project.

    Let’s set some priorities here, aye mateys?

      1. I’ve been around the block enough times to know when I’m being shined on.

        Most of the brochure mailings that went out in the recall had Kelly’s photo on them or were related to Kelly in some way.

        Now is the time to walk some talk and honor Kelly by taking action to hold those who enabled his murder and tried to cover it up after the fact accountable.

        I get the impression that they used Kelly to get elected and now put him on the back burner.

        That’s not right. It’s wrong.

        1. “Most of the brochure mailings that went out in the recall had Kelly’s photo on them or were related to Kelly in some way.”

          Really? How do you know that?

        2. “Most of the brochure mailings that went out in the recall had Kelly’s photo on them or were related to Kelly in some way.”

          False. There was mail about police brutality featuring McPension and Ramos/Cicinelli, two pieces about the illegal water tax, one on city salaries and pension debt and a piece that summarized all of the issues behind the recall.

          1. If you are claiming that the recall would have happened without Kelly Thomas you are living in a world of denial. If you are claiming that 80% of the FFFF blogs since Kelly’s death have not been focused on the beating and the ‘culture of corruption’ in FPD you are living in a world of denial. Funny how all of you were so focused on avenging the death of Kelly Thomas and now you seem to approve of putting him on the back burner. Wow. Human nature never ceases to amaze me. It just goes to show how people blindly follow the leaders without questioning their actions as long as they’re members of the same team.

  4. The recall also didn’t happen solely because of what happened to Kelly Thomas.

    JustUs, you recently mentioned that you don’t even live in Fullerton. Thank you for support but you should familiarize yourself better with issues you choose to address (most recently stating Jones never enforced the 30 min comment rule that he and his two pals put in place). If you lived here and/or if you’ve followed all the issues we’ve had to deal with, you might make better arguments. You might even be able to stick to the topics instead of trying to sideline them.

    The council voted to stop this project and that was a good thing. What, are they supposed to allow crap like this to slide by until they fix other things? They can and do manage several things at the same. The situation is not a quick or easy fix. They’re raising questions and following things. This was something the three idiots refused to do, thus allowing the corruption to continue. This was the final nail in their coffin.

    1. On that note . . .

      I didn’t quite get everything that was discussed with the bonds yesterday. It sounds like we’re (the city) paying interest.

      Can the bonds be called? Is there a early payment penalty? What’s the process for getting the money out of the account?

    2. I was a little confused re what we’d pay on the bonds.

      I also wasn’t clear if this was the St Anton project although I believe that one is a few blocks south. That’s the I really want to see gone.

    3. “The recall also didn’t happen solely because of what happened to Kelly Thomas”

      Come on, SherBear. Let’s all be honest here. This is one of the only places that people can communicate and be honest anymore. If not for the fatal bludgeoning of Kelly Thomas that recall would have never happened. You know that. So do I. So does everybody on this board. 80% of the blogs on FFFF have related to Kelly in one fashion or another. Living in denial is not a solution. It’s part of the problem.

      The new councilmen were elected to clean up FPD and to clean up their enablers who hold high office in the City government. They could take action to begin the process here and make a big statement. But so far they haven’t even exited the starting gate. You MUST treat these new electeds just like anyone else. You can’t give them a pass on their omissions – otherwise you might as well have the 3 stooges back on the Council. There should be no tolerance here and you should be holding their feet to the fire. Stop playing favorites. That never solved anything in Fullerton.

      1. And clean up is what they’ve got to do NOW! No doubt these headlines from the LA TImes posted yesterday will ring true of Fullerton: ”

        City officials announced that Compton could run out of money by summer’s end, with $3 million in the bank and more than $5 million in bills due.

        A longer-term problem is a $43-million deficit that the city amassed after years of improperly using money from water, sewer and retirement funds to balance its general fund. ..”

        1. The recall campaign was not centered around a potential Fullerton bankruptcy. It was centered around a ‘culture of corruption’, dirty cops, egregious violations of civil rights and Kelly’s death.

          Why promote something heavily to get recalls and then ignore the subject matter once elected?

          I think the people want action. And they want it now.

          1. The culture of corruption also dealt with a massive, illegal tax and redevelopment giveaways to cronies.

            If you had been paying attention you would notice that the tax is gone and the crony capitalism is going.

            Their first night in office Kiger addressed nepotism in the FPD and Sebourn demanded an FPD disciplinary report. Kiger has requested a special meeting for next week to address FPD dissemination of information.

            All three of the issues of the Recall are being addressed, and addressed expeditiously.

            Got it?

          2. “The culture of corruption also dealt with a massive, illegal tax and redevelopment giveaways to cronies”

            You didn’t read my post, did ya?

            The recall was centered around Kelly’s death. 80% of the blogs on FFFF were about Kelly and the ‘culture of corruption’ at FPD. You orchestrated the recall on Kelly’s back. Kelly and the corrupt FPD should have been the main topic of discussion at the first Council’s meeting. But we got nothin’. That’s wrong. In respect to Kelly the issues at FPD should on the front burner and to MOST important concern of the new 3 councilmen since that was the topic they concentrated on during their campaigns. Look at their mailers if you doubt what I say. All I am saying is don’t hoodwink the people. Walk you damn talk. Is that asking too much? There should have been an agenda item on their first meeting about Kelly. How about an item that changes the name of the Fullerton Train Station to the Kelly Thomas Depot??? How’s that for a concept. DO SOMETHING TO HONOR KELLY!!!!

            1. “How about an item that changes the name of the Fullerton Train Station to the Kelly Thomas Depot??? ”

              It might be a good idea, but what does this have to do with cleaning up the culture of corruption?

              1. It would be a start – to appropriately focus on the death of Kelly Thomas since the recall would have NEVER happened without him. It would have been nice for someone to HONOR Kelly at the first meeting with the new members. Naming the train depot after him would have been wonderful. But I didn’t see anything to honor Kelly. Did you??? IMO that was a slap on Kelly’s face.

                1. That sounds like a measure that would appease Kelly’s Army without actually instituting any significant reforms. It’s pretty Quirk-ish at this point.

                  Save the ceremonial stuff for after the trial. Now is the time to get down to business.

                2. Wow. Some attitude that you people have. Now that you’ve reached your objective I guess you feel comfortable kicking Kelly to the curb. For God sakes. Disgusting.

                3. JustUs – for what it’s worth I agree with everything you wrote above about the reason for the recall and reform of the FPD being the most important issue by far. Every word.

                  But be patient. I know this is the top priority for you, me, the voters and at least one new council member. But the hardest things to do take the longest time. It will be done – but not in a few weeks or even months.

  5. “The situation is not a quick or easy fix. They’re raising questions and following things.”

    I’m referring to the FPD situation but somehow left that out.

  6. thank you! Affordable housing is code for fat cat politicians who want to get fatter at the tax payers’ expense.
    Oddly, “affordable” housing requires most persons to make more than $70,000 a year to begin to qualify for this “affordable” housing; to buy more than a two bedroom closet, families need to earn close to $100,000 a year.
    Fullerton’s history of building housing for low-income earners has only displaced low-income earners out of their homes and Fullerton’s community.
    Why has “affordable” housing been a precious cause to the old regime that squatted on Fullerton’s city council and their sycophants? It is a great way to invest little of their personal money while allowing the tax payer to carry most of the financial risk via diversion of tax revenue from Fullerton’s government infrastructure to real estate speculation.
    I would not be shocked if under the plethora of legal entities, the real owners of “affordable ” hosing is not the average working Joe or Jane but the old regime and their sycophants.
    but then this is just my ignorant opinion.

  7. JustUs :
    “The recall also didn’t happen solely because of what happened to Kelly Thomas”
    Come on, SherBear. Let’s all be honest here. This is one of the only places that people can communicate and be honest anymore. If not for the fatal bludgeoning of Kelly Thomas that recall would have never happened. You know that. So do I. So does everybody on this board. 80% of the blogs on FFFF have related to Kelly in one fashion or another. Living in denial is not a solution. It’s part of the problem.
    The new councilmen were elected to clean up FPD and to clean up their enablers who hold high office in the City government. They could take action to begin the process here and make a big statement. But so far they haven’t even exited the starting gate. You MUST treat these new electeds just like anyone else. You can’t give them a pass on their omissions – otherwise you might as well have the 3 stooges back on the Council. There should be no tolerance here and you should be holding their feet to the fire. Stop playing favorites. That never solved anything in Fullerton.

    Damn JustUs.
    It sounds like you’d prefer to have those 3 Ol’ SourApples back in the chamber seats.
    What’s up with you?
    What part of the following do you NOT get? :

    “Their first night in office Kiger addressed nepotism in the FPD and Sebourn demanded an FPD disciplinary report. Kiger has requested a special meeting for next week to address FPD dissemination of information.

    All three of the issues of the Recall are being addressed, and addressed expeditiously.”

    All of that is mega progress in comparison to what actions were taken on these issues in the past few years which were NO ACTION.

    Get off the caffeine and/or get your meds straightened out.

    1. “It sounds like you’d prefer to have those 3 Ol’ SourApples back in the chamber seats.
      What’s up with you?”

      No. I just don’t want more of the same. 80% of the recall was concentrated on Kelly’s murder and the ‘culture of corruption’ at FPD. As far as I know not one single agenda item at Tuesday’s meeting was devoted to those issues. IMO it was a slap on Kelly’s face. I am standing up for Kelly. I thought you folks would too. I guess I was wrong.

      1. And you’re not getting the same. So just take a deep breath and think for a few moments before hit “submit” anymore.

        1. So at least be honest with me.

          Did you use Kelly to get what you wanted – and afterwards do you feel comfortable shining Kelly (and his family) on by ignoring the ‘culture of corruption’ that murdered him and focusing on your own needs instead??

          Just an honest answer please.

          If you collectively agree that Kelly was used to reach your objective I will accept it, respect your honesty and will never post on this subject again.

          1. Agreed on the deep breath bit. You went off without cause yesterday, too.

            I don’t think Kelly was used for anything. The work shown and the attendance at the art walk earlier this month really makes a better statement about Fullerton and her intentions than any post here. We care, we’re outraged, and we’re not done yet.

    2. I think that there is a little bit of misinformation on both sides here.

      Kelly Thomas was most assuredly the catalyst that led to the recall of the (3) councilmen. I have lived and continue to live in Fullerton and am accutely aware of the malfeasance and misguided leadership that has been going on for years. But remember, these (3) flat tires were put in office by the voters of Fullerton repeatedly and were giving the city resources away to friends and donors for years. Then the Kelly Thomas incident came, awoke the masses and the reality of what was going on set in. That sparked the current changes.

      But to say that the new council isn’t doing anything is just not true. More changes have been facilitated and more questions about governance have been brought to the forefront than I can remember. The new council came out of the gate swinging. I am encouraged by what I have seen and hope even more positive changes are ahead for the city I live in. The new folks are a breath of fresh air.

      To conclude, the new council is moving forward with vigor, but make no mistake, it took a tragedy like the Kelly Thomas incident to finally wake the citizens of Fullerton up. Hell, better put, we weren’t sleeping but rather in a deep coma. I wish we would have awakened from our deep sleep long ago and Kelly didn’t meet with the senseless and tragic situation he did, but life sometimes isn’t always fair or rational.

      1. Why didn’t they have at least a moment of silence for Kelly at their first meeting? Heck, without Kelly none of the 3 would have been elected to office. They rode Kelly’s coattails to get elected. Why not honor him during their first meeting??? Is this society that ungrateful? Kelly was the catalyst for change. Without HIM none of this would have happened. And you know that’s true.

        You folks owe a heartfelt standing O for Kelly Thomas. Show some gratitude for the sacrifice he made to improve your city.

        1. No one has forgotten Kelly, however, Kelly’s name is not going to be mentioned at every damn council meeting-that would be classless and demeaning to his memory…the fact that the members are working to get change to EVERYTHING including police brutality and are keeping a close grip on the goings on in Fullerton like never before says more than screaming out Kelly’s name or giving him a moment of silence at meetings.

          How do you know it’s only because of Kelly and they rode Kelly’s coattail’s that the 3 were elected? do you have proof of that outrageous claim? Why would you think that?

          I think Kelly was the straw that broke the camel’s back as far as the city needing change.

          I’m quite sure Kelly is being held in heart and mind by all, including council members, as it should be.

          You give from your heart, you don’t have to brag to everyone about what you’ve done for a cause-in fact, you shouldn’t.

          1. Wow. You folks really circle the wagons, don’t ya?

            You sound like Ackermann – just from the other side of the tracks.

            No wonder your city is so screwed up.

            1. You mean you:

              1. Don’t live here
              2. Didn’t collect recall signatures
              3. Didn’t contribute to the recall
              4. Didn’t vote for the recall
              5. you’re bitching about the our city council not doing enough to pacify you?

              Wow. Just wow.

              1. It’s always helpful to have an outside objective viewpoint to bring you back to reality.

                You see, I don’t belong to any team. I don’t belong to the Ackermann team nor do I belong to Tony’s team. None of you own me. I just tell it as I see it.

                It’s good to have people like me as spectators who give you a jolt every so often and pull you out of your comfort zone.

  8. Hurray for the new council! Repeal of the water tax, repeal of government housing.

    If we don’t watch out, Fullerton is going to approach solvency!

  9. Nope :
    “How about an item that changes the name of the Fullerton Train Station to the Kelly Thomas Depot??? ”
    It might be a good idea, but what does this have to do with cleaning up the culture of corruption?

    Actually, as an ego check for the boys in blue, it should be the police building that is renamed as such.

    1. That’s fine by me. If you can get Fullerton PD changed to Kelly Thomas PD I’m all in. But I’m trying to think realistically here. The chances of getting the PD renamed is about the same as me getting my dog to go “meow”. But if you folks want to spin your wheels, knock yourself out. It’s your city.

  10. How about the police building renamed for Dean Gochenour, and the transportation center for Kelly Thomas? Should rename the street in front of the police building Nogennaco blvd.

  11. JustUs :Why didn’t they have at least a moment of silence for Kelly at their first meeting? Heck, without Kelly none of the 3 would have been elected to office. They rode Kelly’s coattails to get elected. Why not honor him during their first meeting??? Is this society that ungrateful? Kelly was the catalyst for change. Without HIM none of this would have happened. And you know that’s true.
    You folks owe a heartfelt standing O for Kelly Thomas. Show some gratitude for the sacrifice he made to improve your city.

    I have to agree with you that it was absolutely the Kelly Thomas incident that finally woke the residents of Fullerton up. There is no doubt in my mind of that.

    Maybe you are correct in saying that the council should have had a moment of silence. I would have done so. It just didn’t happen.

    But to conclude then that somehow we residents do not hold a special place in our own hearts for Kelly and his family is just not so. I think we have all been changed due to this dreadful incident and we have been changed forever. Each of us express it in a different manner. But to conclude that we are ungrateful just because the council didn’t bring this subject up at the first meeting doesn’t hold water for me.

    We all cared and continue to care. We are facing many problems in the Fullerton and our collective journey has just begun.

    1. “But to conclude then that somehow we residents do not hold a special place in our own hearts for Kelly and his family is just not so”

      Oh, no. Don’t misunderstand me, TheMoron. I have the UTMOST respect for the Fullerton citizens. In fact, I don’t know of a body of citizens in OC or in SoCal who should be given more respect. You folks are the greatest! I love ya!

      My comments are directed to the City Council members – particularly the news ones. I didn’t hear Kelly Thomas’ name mentioned ONCE during their first meeting – and I think that’s preposterous knowing that the recall would NOT have happened without Kelly’s sacrifice. Talk about ingratitude!

        1. I meant ot say Doug Chaffe had some touching things to say at the City Council Meeting about Kelly Thomas. Sorry didn’t complete my thought!

        2. Doug did mention that Kelly’s death was not in vain Tuesday night. However he was nowhere to be found during all of the uproar and rage that the community had for the last year. He rode the coattails of the righteous indignation, remained silent and worked the vote split to get into that ceremonial position. I watched him in the audience at council meetings where the speakers were crying for justice and for the right things to happen and never once saw him clap his hands in support for the cause. He doesn’t fool me. He got what he deserves-a mere ceremonial presence on the council. He disgusted me then and now he reminds me of a weather vane that points in the direction of the prevailing forces acting upon it. The days of feel good politics are over in this town. We have murderers on the streets, a financial tsunami headed our way and that plastic hard hat act isn’t what Fullerton needs.

  12. JustUs or is it Ron? YOU are the only one riding the coat tails of Kelly, all the way to the bank. You hired an attorney early, mentioned repeatedly what you’ll do with the money and then you had the audacity at the council meeting to claim you only filed your suit to get information.

    You are so full of yourself, one wonders how much more your ego can get. You constantly prove there’s no limit. You constantly distanced yourself from the recall and made it known at every possible chance to separate yourself from it. You stated you supported the recall only because of Kelly and the rest of the issues were not your concern. It’s no surprise you can’t pull that overblown head out of your ass here, trying to keep sole focus on your son which means more attention for you.

    I sympathize with you as a parent. There is no greater loss than that of your own child. I hope this is what’s clouding your judgment and ability to keep your words and behavior in check. Many heard you at Travis’s post election party. You picked the wrong place to spout your bullshit. First how disrespectful to go to one’s party because that’s where the news cameras were and to announce your plans to try to turn Fullerton into a charter city and run for Mayor. Save your money, it’ll never happen. More disgusting were the comments you made to and about Tony. When Tony commented on your plans, you looked right at him and smugly said you weren’t worried if he was to oppose you because “I’ll have more money than you”. You should’ve heard the scattered gasps. Before that, when a woman was going around videoing people who wanted to say a few words to Tony and/or thank him. This was to be a surprise for Tony. You not only refused but were overheard to say, “Tony should be thanking ME”. You’re such an ass.

    This is a blog to freely discuss whatever we choose. Stop trying to control it or us. We’re not your minions, General Ron (yes, I saw on the Facebook page where you have been proclaimed by your daughter or whoever runs Justice for Kelly, as Kelly’s Army). You should change the name to Ron’s Army so the real Kelly’s Army can continue as from the beginning.

    1. No, I’m not Ron Thomas. I am just a concerned citizen who sees a wrong and wants to right it. You can attack me all you want. Water off a duck’s back. But you know there’s alot of truth in what I say. The fact that Kelly Thomas’ name was not even mentioned at the new Council meeting is deplorable knowing that it was HIS sacrifice that fomented change in your town. Without Kelly your damned recall would NEVER have happened. Aren’t you civilized? Kelly gave the ULTIMATE sacrifice to improve your city. Why would you push him to the back of the bus once the new Council is in place? His name was not even mentioned at their first meeting!!!!

      The second meeting should begin with an apology to Kelly Thomas for not even mentioning his name at the first meeting.

      I don’t give a damn if you abhor the truth either.

      1. “your damned recall” Are you kidding me?

        The recall was the best thing that could have happened and it has already facilitated huge change, for the better, for Fullerton residents! Just look at everything that HAS been done in Kelly’s honor!! WHO facilitated and promoted those events? NO ONE has forgotten how the FPD murdered Kelly Thomas and NO ONE will rest until the FPD is cleaned up.

        Don’t forget, there are also many other victims of police brutality! Kelly’s murder just happened to be recorded by witnesses and by the pole video, for all to see. Kelly Thomas DID NOT give, as you say, “…the ULTIMATE sacrifice to improve your city.” Kelly Thomas was NOT a martyr. Kelly IS A MURDER VICTIM. And, Kelly Thomas has definitely NOT been, in ANY way “pushed to the back of the bus!” Good grief. Yes, a moment of silence for Kelly might have been very nice; however, Kelly’s murder is ONLY one of the many manifestations of the corruption that has existed in Fullerton’s leadership that needs to be cleaned up.

        IF you felt so strongly about a moment of silence for Kelly Thomas, then perhaps you should have suggested it BEFORE the first council meeting, or even DURING the first council meeting, rather than just complaining about the lack of it afterwards. But, I assume you didn’t do any such thing, so please calm down, and get your shorts out of a wad!!

        The new council is working very hard to right the wrongs of Fullerton, but it’s not all going to happen in the first two weeks, nor even in the first month!! The new council is moving full steam ahead. If you don’t feel they are doing everything in exactly in the same way that you would, -feel free to get involved and do your part, and by that I mean by doing more than just complaining after the fact.

    2. I’m gonna go out on a limb and call bullshit on this post. Not at all appropriate.

      You have some serious beef with a real person. Don’t vent it into cyberspace at someone using a pseudonym that you think may be the right target.

      Have some balls, put your real name on it, and sent it to the person outside of a random blog post– otherwise, you’re right up there with the JD’s of the world, smearing hate all over the page.

    3. JustUs, much of what you post has little relevance to the topics. If you want to demand things of the council, do so at a council meeting.

      Anonymous, Inappropriate, perhaps. Ron likes to manipulate the public forums so I opted to vent in a similar setting. I speak only for myself although there are others who feel the same way. As far as approaching Ron, he is only approachable when one is in agreement with him or kissing his ass…or is holding a microphone. I expect to get hammered for what I said. I’ve seen others nailed and crucified for saying less about him. I said my piece and I won’t retract it but I’ll leave it at that.

      1. It’s about time people started speaking out about RT. He is an opportunist in every sense of the word. If he cared so much about Kelly why had he not seen him in over 10 years?

    4. Wow, didn’t know that had happened between Ron and Tony. Can’t say I’m surprised. You guys created this monster, now you gotta deal with him.

      1. It didn’t happen *between* Ron and Tony. It happened *between* Ron and his ego.

        Also, TimeWillTell, none of us know what Ron’s relationship was with Kelly or what he did or didn’t do. My thoughts on Ron are from what I’ve seen after Kelly’s death, not before.

  13. Look at all the diversions here. No one wants to accept the simple truth anymore. They all root for the home team, right or wrong. So what really changed?

    1) “NO ONE has forgotten how the FPD murdered Kelly Thomas and NO ONE will rest until the FPD is cleaned up”

    Kelly’s name wasn’t even mentioned at the first meeting. That’s wrong. Without Kelly there never would have been a recall. Let’s show some basic respect and gratitude.

    2) “Don’t forget, there are also many other victims of police brutality!”

    So now you’re trying to discount Kelly’s influence in the successful recall? Without Kelly it never would have happened. The 3 new guys would not be sitting on the Council today.

    3) “IF you felt so strongly about a moment of silence for Kelly Thomas, then perhaps you should have suggested it BEFORE the first council meeting, or even DURING the first council meeting, rather than just complaining about the lack of it afterwards”

    It’s not my job. It’s the Council’s job. That’s why they get paid. To think of simple common sense acts that show respect. The fact that they didn’t think of it worries me.

    4) “The new council is working very hard to right the wrongs of Fullerton, but it’s not all going to happen in the first two weeks, nor even in the first month!!”

    Where did I say I wanted everything solved in 2 weeks? I simply wanted a show of respect for Kelly. His name wasn’t even mentioned. That bothered me.

    5) “I’m gonna go out on a limb and call bullshit on this post. Not at all appropriate”

    Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn’t mean it’s inappropriate. Who are you? The arbiter of free speech?

    6) “Have some balls, put your real name on it…”

    Where’s your name, Anonymous? You sure talk tough.

    7) “JustUs, much of what you post has little relevance to the topics. If you want to demand things of the council, do so at a council meeting”

    The next time you have a complaint against FPD go fill out a complaint form at FPD. Don’t post it here.

    Notice how stupid that sounded? Go look in a mirror.

    1. You are most certainly an equal opportunity flamer. I’ll give you credit for that.

      Now, being aware of your surroundings and interpreting context? Not so much . . .

      But hey, you have passion brother. Ain’t nothin’ poopy about that.

      1. Just searching for a little decency in 2012, Anonymous. Some old fashioned decency.

        Not an easy task in 2012.

        There is nothing at all wrong with my comments. Basically I’m just asking “What ever happened to civilization?”

        And for that I get attacked from all sides.

        Wow.

        1. I know how you feel. Yesterday I just wanted to correct a misquote and got blasted. Set me back quite a bit.

    2. 1-Almost everyone on the council HAS shown respect towards Kelly Thomas and his family. Just because the city council failed to have a moment of silence does not mean that they have “forgotten” Kelly. Kelly does not need to be shown “gratitude.” Kelly did NOT willingly give his life for Fullerton. Kelly Thomas WAS MURDERED. The BEST way to show CONCERN and INDIGNATION for his MURDER is to address the issues of corruption that contributed to Kelly’s murder and address the corruption that aided in the cover-up and denial of responsibility and accountability afterwards. Those things ARE being done. I believe that your criticism about the lack of a moment of silence is PETTY and I believe that you are showing a lack of appreciation for everything that IS being done in an effort to begin to right the past wrongs.
      2-I am in NO way trying to “…discount Kelly’s influence in the successful recall.” HOWEVER, there were/are MANY other victims that have also been the subject of MUCH comment, MUCH discussion and MUCH concern on this blog!! Some Examples: Dean Gochenour, who “committed suicide” in the Fullerton jail and Vincent Mater who smashed his DAR;” the women who were victims of sexual abuse by Albert Rincon, aided and abetted by Officer Christopher Wren; Veth Mam, who was abused by Kenneth Hampton and then the resulting false arrest and perjury at the trial; “18 year old Emmanuel Martinez spent 5 months in jail, after Fullerton Police arrested him by mistake instead of the suspect that was actually identified in the same lineup he was forced into. Audiotape of the lineup identified the real suspect, proving Martinez was wrongfully arrested, but the District Attorney’s office got as far as beginning his trial before a defense lawyer was able to show he was falsely imprisoned and accused.”
      3.-It is NOT the city council’s job to be mind readers to think of every way that you might find acceptable to show “gratitude” and respect. I personally, would find a show of “gratitude” as EXTREMELY offensive!! I am NOT “grateful” to Kelly because he was murdered!! I am HORRIFIED at his murder!! It IS the city council’s job to get down to business and to address ways of cleaning up the corruption!! If you wanted some particular “show of respect” at the council meeting, then you could have suggested it yourself, instead, all you do are now doing is to complain about the hard and difficult work that our new council IS doing.

      1. 1) Sure, there was lots of respect shown toward Kelly pre-recall while people were running for office. All I’m saying is that now the recall is over don’t forget about Kelly. Show him the same respect and give him the same notierity as you did before.

        You say things are being done to eliminate the ‘culture of corruption’. There should have already been at least one agenda item to address it directly. Talk is cheap. Most of us want action. Politicians are notorious for making big claims and then willfully delaying action. You know that. It’s the citizens job to hold their feet to the fire. Don’t listen to what they tell you. Watch what they do. When they start making excuses why they can’t fulfill their promises……you know you’ve been had.

        2) Yes, I know about all the other victims of police abuse and corruption. But without Kelly the recall would have NEVER happened. You know that’s true. And that’s my point. Show him the respect he deserves.

        3) Had I been elected to the Council on Kelly’s coattails the first comment out of my mouth at my first Council meeting would be in memory of Kelly Thomas. It’s only common decency. If somebody is smart enough to get elected to the Council they should be smart enough to publicly remember the man who was the catalyst for all the change. No excuses accepted.

        1. “Had I been elected to the Council on Kelly’s coattails the first comment out of my mouth at my first Council meeting would be in memory of Kelly Thomas.”

          That’s exactly what Doug Chaffee did, and he’s a phony baloney moron who will ultimately do very little in terms of justice or reform. You’re in good company.

          1. If Chaffee mentioned Kelly at least he knows what side of his bread is buttered on. And least he shows some respect and gratitude toward the catalyst for change.

            Now that the others got what they wanted their memories seemed to have shrunk.

            Funny how that works.

            1. So you overtures are really all about buttered bread and appeasement ceremonies. I’d rather not have my electeds engaged in such nonsense. To each his own, I suppose.

              1. So you’d rather have your electeds get voted into office on the coattails of a guy who was fatally bludgeoned by agents of the ‘culture of corruption’ and after achieving their objective shove the guy to the back of the bus and ignore him?

                Oh, okay. I think I get it.

    3. Goes to show you they dont give a hell about Kelly they used his name to get elected and Tony to get his cronies there.

      1. Oh, right, no one gives “..a hell about Kelly…” Go sell your B.S. somewhere else, John Doe FOOL.

        1. That’s the problem with poop. No one is lining up to buy it. JD– see my list of jobs you’re qualified for in another post if you’re looking to be a productive member of society again.

      2. Goes to show you didn’t give “a hell” about Kelly when you were pounding his head into the ground with your taser.

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