Open Season on the She-Bear


I’ve decided to re-run this post every few weeks from now until Pat McKinley is recalled. I want every woman in Fullerton to take a look at the twisted mess our former police chief is.

- The Fullerton Shadow

Yesterday, the She-Bear, ex-Fullerton Police Chief and current city council embarrassment, Pat McKinley, lumbered into Brea. His mission was to help the sweet ladies of the Soroptimist’s local defend themselves in dangerous situations.

Of course when he signed up for the gig, his hosts were probably unaware that as police chief of Fullerton he hired a serial sexual predator, Albert Rincon, who, even after numerous incidents of assault victim complaints, was permitted by McKinley to keep patrolling the streets of Fullerton. We know what he was patrolling for. Rincon’s MO was to falsely arrest, handcuff, then grope his victims in the backseat of an FPD patrol car.

Naturally, some womenfolk took umbrage at McKinley’s bald-faced hypocrisy, and showed up to ask  the questions McKinley had been hoping like hell nobody would ever ask. To say that She-Bear stepped in his own poop would be the understatement of the year. He’s not going to be able to scrape this off his shoe anytime soon. Here’s some of the video:

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He said what??!! “Those ladies weren’t people like this”??!! So now Pat McKinley gets to pick and choose which women deserve sexual battery at the hands of his hand-picked police officers?

And somehow this creep keeps a straight face as he urges women to use their “she bear” instincts to avoid the type of pervert cop he kept on the street, despite the fact that bent cops like Albert Rincon are armed with tasers and guns and are amply protected by the tarnished badges incompetents like McKinley not only give them, but let them keep.

The final insult? According to McKinley, Rincon didn’t sexually assault anybody. It was only “inappropriate touching.” Not a good thing, but  “it ain’t a dangerous thing.” Well that may be a novel defense for rapists in the future!

I don’t know about you, but I say it’s time for this dangerous sadist to go.

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  1. #1 by Tom on October 18, 2011

    I’m not a fan of using curse words in journalism. However, this time the author’s word choice is appropriate.

    • #2 by The Fullerton Shadow on October 18, 2011

      Joe told me to change “clueless asshole” to “dangerous sadist.”

      It’s his birthday so I did it.

      • #3 by admin on October 18, 2011

        Happy Birthday Joe!

      • #4 by Tom on October 19, 2011

        Lol! Got to love the comments section. Fullerton Shadow, I’ll buy you a beer! How about at the Slidebar or Florentines?

    • #5 by truthseeker on October 19, 2011

      So let us see. He has alienated, the homeless, the poor, the non public employee union residents, the honest and forthright, those that VALUE HUMAN LIFE, and waddaya know, now WOMEN> all this while insulting the intelligence of anyone with an IQ above room temperature with his CNN comments. Geepers what a politcal genius! FPD now has 9 sworn six figure personell on paid leave and multiple lawsuits going. Well done good and faithful servant and just think we got all this for just $219,000 per year. What a bargain!!

  2. #6 by Bill w on October 18, 2011

    HA HA THIS BUM RETIRES ON OUR DIME AND WILL BECOME A MEDIA SENSATION ON THE TALK SHOW CIRCUIT WITH HIS BOOK.
    I’M APPLYING FOR A JOB WITH THE FPD EARLY RETIREMENT SYSTEM. I HAVE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE AND BOOK CONTRACT WAITING FOR ME.

    • #7 by Fred Alcazar on October 18, 2011

      Oh, he’s about to become a media sensation all right. But not in the way anybody wants to.

  3. #8 by Anonymous on October 18, 2011

    He is one sick son of a bitch and he’s not afraid to show it.

    • #9 by just a guy on October 18, 2011

      This man ran the FPD for the last 17 years.

      I think we can all see the source of our problems now.

  4. #10 by OMG! on October 18, 2011

    Well there you have it. McPension thinks its all right for some women to be handcuffed and fingered by his cops based on his own special rules.

    If this doesn’t scream out RECALL, then nothing will.

  5. #11 by Chiken on October 18, 2011

    just wanted to say hi.

    and poot mckinly has allot of blood and a million skelotins sp up in his closet.

    a million dark horrible soul crushing secrets.

    but we the people are pussies. so he will live his life in his bullet proof vest . and never a punch thrown.

    we suck.

    and even if he gets thrown off the city council, he stoll has a billion dollers.

  6. #12 by OrangeFullerton on October 18, 2011

    Thanks for covering that meeting. It’s good to hear those ridiculous comments from McPension. There can be no doubt about his thoughts on women, beating victims and his posse when you hear it from him. He thinks “those women” deserves what they got and he thinks “Kelly” got what he deserves. Recall Now Baby!!!

  7. #13 by Peaches on October 18, 2011

    Heartfelt thanks to whomever got this on video! What a smug, condescending, chauvinist SOB he is. And, doesn’t unwanted “touching” (in a sexual manner or not) constitute either assault or battery from a legal perspective?

    • #14 by Clarence Darrow on October 18, 2011

      Yes.

      I have no doubt that he connived with the DA to dodge a prosecution of Rincon. Now his chickens have come home to roost.

  8. #15 by Remember Kelly! on October 18, 2011

    This is the same idiot who said Kelly’s facial injuries were not life threatening.

    • #16 by blessusall on October 19, 2011

      According to McK, Kelly just got his eyes bloused. Happens to people all the time and it’s not fatal.

  9. #17 by Chiken on October 18, 2011

    he still has a billipn of our dollars. I hope they all go to jail.

    ps where are the feds..?

  10. #18 by Fashion Cop on October 18, 2011

    It’s hard to tell which is more embarrassing, his clothes or his warped 19th Century ideas.

  11. #19 by Fullertonia on October 18, 2011

    Let me get this right… He suggested that those women somehow deserved to get sexually assaulted because of how they looked/acted?

    • #20 by Mike @ Here on October 19, 2011

      According to McJackass these ladies were just inappropriately touched and not in a dangerous way either,oh and they were not even people so it’s ok. I’m sure a house fell on his mother.

  12. #21 by Fullerton Public Servant on October 18, 2011

    I must give kudos to the person who videotaped this event……..Wonder if he knew he was being videotaped……However, please remember it was McKinley who hired Officer Hampton and we know what Hampton does when he does not like to be videotaped….. Who did he learn it from? Maybe from the man who hired him……

    • #22 by Anonymous on October 18, 2011

      He knew which is why he spoke away from the microphone and in a very low voice. He didnt think the camera would be able to pick up his voice so clearly.

  13. #23 by Fashion Cop on October 18, 2011

    Rincon is an “alien”? Really? That’s the best this dumb fuck can do?

    • #24 by Pathetic on October 18, 2011

      Yep. That’s it. And he’s Ed Royce’s hand-picked candidate. Time to send Royce packing too.

      • #25 by just a guy on October 18, 2011

        Ed Royce should be denouncing this heartless goon. Where is he?

        • #26 by nipsey on October 18, 2011

          Royce is in useless douchebag land where he always is.

  14. #27 by ALIENS? on October 18, 2011

    Goddamn aliens?!???

    What the hell???

    • #28 by Jt on October 19, 2011

      Aliens probe……

      Rincon probed…..

      Now I get it.

  15. #29 by Fullerton Public Servant on October 18, 2011

    This smug individual reminds me of a judge in Pasadena approximately 15 years ago who ruled in favor of an accused rapist because the victim was a prostitute and in the words of the judge, “A prostitute can’t be raped”……..The accused rapist was a former coworker of mine…..

  16. #30 by Chris Thompson on October 18, 2011

    I wish to congratulate the ladies who had the courage to ask these questions and record these very honest answers.

  17. #31 by Fullerton Public Servant on October 18, 2011

    And may I say the one time I was on jury duty 5 or 6 years ago, it was an attempted sexual assault/rape case with 2 victims.

    The fear in the attempted assault victim as she testified was evident a year after the attempted attack.

    The rape victim will never be the same, physically or emotionally.

    McKinley has no clue whatsoever what emotional scars the victims of Officer Rincon
    will have to endure. If he were still Chief, Gloria Allred would be asking for his resignation………..

  18. #32 by Fullerton Public Servant on October 18, 2011

    Wonder if he ever whispers in Sharon Quirk-Silva’s ear, “dressing like that might get you assaulted”

  19. #33 by Anonymous on October 18, 2011

    Please send this to Gloria Alread: http://www.amglaw.com/CM/Custom/Contact.asp

    and the National Organization of Women: http://www.now.org/actionct.html

    …looks like the feds arent going to do jack shit.

  20. #34 by Wrong Guy on October 18, 2011

    Me too, way to go ladies.

  21. #35 by Fullerton Public Servant on October 18, 2011

    I wonder just how bad the City Council would be if the “McKinley coattail riding” Roland Chi had been elected instead of Bruce Whittaker……….I remember seceral campaign mailers by Mr. Chi which had the enthusiastic support and endorsement of Mr. McKinley.

  22. #36 by merijoe on October 18, 2011

    Holy shit-if this tape and his downplaying words of women that have been sexually assaulted dont show a reason why he shouldnt be recalled and then dropped off on a desert island or an alzheimer facility, I don’t know what would. How horrible, what he said reminds me of that Cardinal Mahoney trying to cover for his bastard child abusin priests that he knew about for years but did nothing. “that shouldnt have been done” his answer to that lady who stated that she was patted down by the man copper while the female idiot copper turned away. How fucking dare him downplay and make exuses about sexual abuse to a group of women that experianced that at the hands of those Nazi’s – I hope every woman advocacy group and news agency gets a hold of this tape and crucifies him and FPD- the bumbling old buffoon needs to get some medication.
    The nerve of him “it was never proved” he assaulted those women all over again,
    I cant wait to share this tape with everyone I know especially KFI
    Im so sorry to the women who suffered thru

    • #37 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

      yawn

    • #38 by fullerton lover on October 19, 2011

      …the problem is merijoe that there are STILL women here in Fullerton who are NOT being taken seriously by the Fullerton Police Department. The sort of attitude that Chief McKinley instilled in his troops for 16 years still permeates throughout the entire police department.
      I spoke the other day with a Fullerton mother of two daughters who had been to the Fullerton PD earlier in the day and she was very distraught about receiving death threats from her ex-husband and his new wife.
      This woman had summoned up the courage to go into the Fullerton PD to make a police report, and the personnel at the front desk did everything that they could to discourage her from writing a report, including that it would cost this single mother of two $20 to file a report. When the woman insisted that the police take this seriously and take a report they still wouldn’t budge and literally chased her out of the front lobby. I have encouraged this woman to come forward with her complaint to Councilwoman Sharon Quirk-Silva and the FFFF blog to try and get some answers as to why the FPD aren’t taking reports for someone making a terrorist threat, as to hopefully avoid another domestic violence incident here in Fullerton that recently occurred in Seal Beach.

      • #39 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

        FL-
        hope she comes to the council meeting and goes straight up to the podium with that- the bastards. and to KFI/john and ken today

  23. #40 by We Are All One on October 18, 2011

    Wow. Omg. I am speachless. Thank you to those who asked the questions and took the vid. Just wow. And FFFF for posting.

    • #41 by Marlena on October 18, 2011

      It was so much more bizarre in person.
      He is detached from reality. No real care for woman. He needs to go.

      • #42 by Outsider on April 5, 2012

        He needs to go alright-to San Quentin. What’s happening with Ramos and Cicinelli? I far as I’m concerned those two need to be sitting on Death Row.

  24. #43 by LeRoy Murray on October 18, 2011

    So, it was just inappropriate touching? One woman said he penetrated her with his finger, isn’t that rape? How about false arrest? Filing false police reports? He’ll do anything to protect the cops working for him. They put a camera on him and sent him back on the street? There’s an answer, not a good answer, but an answer. Of course a sexual predator will probably find a way around that. A sexual preditor with a badge and gun, hopefully now fired he’ll be black balled from law enforcement.

    • #44 by Anonymous on October 18, 2011

      They’re not going to fire Albert Rincon because according to the wonderful DA he did nothing wrong. Right now they’ll probably keep him on paid vacation until everything dies down.

      Keep in mind 9 officers are on paid leave …9!! …WE’RE PAYING FOR THIS! SO FAR WE’VE SPENT OVER $200,000 FOR THESE BASTARDS SINCE APRIL!

      …This is why the Fullerton PD must be DISBANDED! and NOW DAMN IT, NOW!

    • #45 by blessusall on October 19, 2011

      JUST inappropriate touching? The man is a POLICE OFFICER who had the women under arrest in handcuffs, completely powerless and unable to protect themselves! In the real world, if someone inappropriately touches a woman, she can haul off and smack him or scream or run or something. It still wouldn’t make it right. But this is something that happened under color of authority and that’s the best answer he can come up with? It was inappropriate touching and they weren’t in danger?

  25. #46 by disgustedbythis on October 18, 2011

    This ranks right up there with then Sgt. Art Weichmann saying one morning in briefing about a legit rape of a mom by the maintenance man that occured the night before… “I don’t know why he raped her, she wasn’t even that good-looking”…. What a douchebag, typical cop pig. Those of you familiar with FPD know this dept. is corrupt to the core.

  26. #47 by levelthefield on October 18, 2011

    Lets not forget or breeze by the fact that McKinley was a LEO for many years and watering down the action that constitutes assault by stating or terming it as inappropriate touching is disgusting.
    HOW MANY WOMEN HAS McKINLEY inappropriately touched in his career?
    How many instances does he first hand knowledge of this behavior as an eye witness?
    McKinley may be a sleeper, its time to get his DNA in the federal data base?
    The utter disrespect from a person in his and past positions for and toward victims of crimes committed by personnel under his command and control should have been investigated by a Grand Jury.
    LIES last forever, cover ups don’t.

  27. #48 by We Are All One on October 18, 2011

    If he has daughters I feel sorry for them and if he has sons I hope they are not like him.

    • #49 by J on October 19, 2011

      He has sons. No daughters.

      • #50 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

        he has daughters in laws and grandchildren though

  28. #51 by corrupt on October 18, 2011

    WOW… chief McSmellyfinger sees nothing wrong… hey Anonymous you coward who said no one showed up…. protect your perv chief now. This is gonna be good at the federal trial, mcsmellyfinger said he did not view the tape, mcsmellyfinger hired the cops and mcsmellyfinger tried to cover up Kellys murder… Sellers called Mcsmellyfinger and tried to cover it up, Mcsmellyfinger lied to everyone and sellers took a leave of abscence….. it is over Mcsmelly… own up.

  29. #52 by corrupt on October 18, 2011

    Notice to Fullerton PARENTS… buy your daughters a .380 handgun and instruct them to shoot an FPD officer in the neck that molests them… McPension says it is okay to react to aggresion… Wanna bet he is not a perv too?

    • #53 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

      he may be a pedophile

  30. #54 by Sissynelli on October 18, 2011

    I gave kelly no attempt to react, Chief McPension say’s you need a second or two but yelling sorry and for your dad is no reason to stop killing you…. death to all of you without a badge… GRRRRRRR citizens suck.

  31. #55 by Paul on October 18, 2011

    All of McKinley’s statements should be included in recall literature. The guy is perverted or merely covering up his poop! I have my ideas which it is!

  32. #56 by corrupt on October 18, 2011

    going to do a FOIA on who Mcsmelly gave CCW’s to….. who wants to bet he is a liar.

  33. #57 by SDLocal on October 18, 2011

    “It wasn’t a sexual assault. It was inappropriate touching.”

    “Those ladies weren’t ‘people like this.’”

    I watched this video three times, just to be sure I really heard what I heard. I heard it.

    This crazy asshole is in organic, psychotic denial. He’s mad as a hatter. Creepy, too. Way creepy.

    Fullerton, where and why did you find this guy?

    He should be squatting under a bridge catching and eating polliwogs, yet he’s empowered, in charge, and stealing a fortune from you.

    Amazing. Amazing and terrible.

    • #58 by just a guy on October 18, 2011

      “It wasn’t a sexual assault. It was inappropriate touching.”

      When I was in 2nd grade they made me watch a video that said to stay away from people who talk like this.

    • #59 by Spunky on October 18, 2011

      There was so much more! he is one sick pup!

  34. #60 by Stanley Fiala on October 18, 2011

    I do not understand why you are shocked!

    Pat McKinley is left liberal socialist and that is how left liberal socialist are.

    • #61 by merijoe on October 18, 2011

      what? pervert disrepectful horses asses with mental problems?

    • #63 by Anonymous on October 18, 2011

      > Pat McKinley is left liberal socialist and that is how left liberal socialist are.

      Take your short sighted left/right skewered view of reality right back to whatever political blog you crawled from. It has no place here.

      I hate when these thick neck jackasses put a political spin on everything. “OMG! The mail man delivered my mail after 4PM …gotta be a left wing neo socialist”, “OMG! Some guy cut me off on the freeway …he’s a right wing centrist communist marxist *catches breath* …nazi leaning republican!”

      • #64 by Stanley Fiala on October 19, 2011

        If the the socialist will not fear to put finger into my bank account, he will put finger in may ass too!

        • #65 by Go Away on October 19, 2011

          Like Anonymous said, take your anal-probing phobic kneejerk McCarthyite bullshit elsewhere. Nobody actively participating on this forum gives a fuck. Its not about fascism, its not about communism. Its about right and wrong and by trying to distract us all with this crap, you’re on the side of “wrong.”

          • #66 by Joe Sipowicz on October 19, 2011

            Don’t pay any attention to that guy. He’s just not all there.

  35. #67 by Fullerton Citizen on October 18, 2011

    Someone needs to send this video to his wife.

    • #68 by Chris Thompson on October 18, 2011

      His wife was there. And while I am paraphrasing, said something out loud along the lines of, “Oh no” when he made the comment about “not women like these.” That’s hearsay, but that’s what I was told by ladies who were there.

      • #69 by Vernon Dozier on October 18, 2011

        “Oh no” in what context?

        Oh no out of horror and disgust?
        Oh no to affirm what Pat said?

  36. #70 by We Are All One on October 18, 2011

    McClueless’ daughter comes to him crying, “Daddy, that man put his hand in my panties.”

    McClueless replies, “Well, I’m sure you were asking for it.”

    :/

  37. #71 by STAND UP on October 18, 2011

    Anonymous :They’re not going to fire Albert Rincon because according to the wonderful DA he did nothing wrong. Right now they’ll probably keep him on paid vacation until everything dies down.
    Keep in mind 9 officers are on paid leave …9!! …WE’RE PAYING FOR THIS! SO FAR WE’VE SPENT OVER $200,000 FOR THESE BASTARDS SINCE APRIL!
    …This is why the Fullerton PD must be DISBANDED! and NOW DAMN IT, NOW!

    arn’t popey & bruno on non paid leave? Its the 18th?

  38. #72 by nipsey on October 18, 2011

    LeRoy Murray :
    So, it was just inappropriate touching? One woman said he penetrated her with his finger, isn’t that rape?

    No, you don’t understand. It was just harmless touching. In her vagina.

    • #73 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

      while she was forcefully handcuffed -and she wasnt “like, all of you” (what the hell did he mean by that? that she was a prostitute?)

      • #74 by J on October 19, 2011

        Maybe he meant that she was good looking. “Not ugly like all the women in this room.”

  39. #75 by The '80s called on October 18, 2011

    Don Johnson called and wants his outfit back.

    • #76 by Lucky on October 18, 2011

      I’m still laughing at this one. thanks for lightening my mood after watching this video i needed that.

      • #77 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

        LUCKY, The only laughable moment from that sick disgusting tape was listening and watching that slimey bald cue ball try to answer some hard questions by the women, his unintelligent, sexist answers however, werent funny
        So, what did you find laughable?
        Im sure the media and other womens groups wont find it as amusing as you. just sayin

        • #78 by still love fullerton on October 19, 2011

          i think lucky was referring to the don johnson comment…

          • #79 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

            yeah, that was pretty funny

  40. #80 by We Are All One on October 18, 2011

    Fullerton Citizen :
    Someone needs to send this video to his wife.

    You think she doesn’t share his warped views? Come on. She’s probably as bad or worse than he is.

    • #81 by Anonymous on October 18, 2011

      She does if she knows what’s good for her.

  41. #82 by Lucky on October 18, 2011

    I cannot even begin to believe where he comes off saying it wasn’t dangerous…any type of molestation is dangerous…if not physically it will last them their entire lives mentally. Trust me. This guy needs to go. And if we have a “She bear” ability what the heck do we need HIM for? My She Bear feelings tell me he needs to step down off the council and do us all a favor.

    • #83 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

      He needs to be shuttled to a secluded island somewhere in Africa

      • #84 by Cynthia Ward on October 19, 2011

        merijoe, Africa has enough troubles….

        • #85 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

          yes, ok, somewhere were there is no one around just insects

          • #86 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

            I hear the gulf of Aiden needs a bald headed shrimp boat capt.

  42. #87 by We Are All One on October 18, 2011

    Lady asks, “What do we do if we get one of those renegade cops? What course of action would you suggest?”

    McScary replies, “The course of action is to tell us.”

    Ha! Fat lotta good that does.

    • #88 by D on October 18, 2011

      “the course of action is to tell us”? It didn’t work for Kelly Thomas as he cried… “I’m sorry”, “God please help me”, “dad, dad, dad”…. none of those words meant anything to “us”.

    • #89 by blessusall on October 19, 2011

      Uh, wait a minute…at least 12 women molested by Rincon did “tell us.” That is exactly what they did.

  43. #90 by Lucky on October 18, 2011

    I want to thank those ladies that had the GUTS to be at the meeting and ask the point blank questions. You all deserve some sort of medal of honor when this is all through.

    • #91 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

      I wish I could hug all of them right now. That bald fuck -sexually hurt all of them in that room, some all over again.

      I hope they dont take his words to heart

  44. #92 by S on October 19, 2011

    It was definitely a team effort that made it possible. We had each others’ backs, immense support and well…the She-Bear in us just appeared. hehehe

    At the beginning of his course, McKinley describes how he came up with the name “She-Bear” – the mama bear who is incredibly strong and afraid of nothing when she protects her cubs. I guess McKinley never bargained for a group of She-Cubs.

    • #93 by Lucky on October 19, 2011

      well, no matter how you slice it I sure hope some of you ladies will consider running for City Council as soon as there are 3 open spots. We need some She Bears on there that will tell it like it is and get the job done. thanks again.

    • #94 by karma on October 19, 2011

      a million thank yous!

    • #95 by blessusall on October 19, 2011

      Thank you to all of you. You are champions for all of us.

  45. #96 by We Are All One on October 19, 2011

    It was just “inappropriate touching” folks, not sexual assault.

    Uh .. no..
    Sexual assault: “unwanted sexual contact that stops short of rape or attempted rape. This includes sexual touching and fondling.”

    http://www.purchase.edu/departments/StudentAffairs/speakout/WhatIsIt.aspx

    “rape is actual or attempted penetration accomplished by threats, coercion, or physical force. It includes nonconsensual vaginal, anal, or oral penetration by penis, finger, or any object.”

    “Sexual assault is an act of aggression designed to humiliate, intimidate, control, or instill fear.”

    “Criminal Sexual Assault: Criminal sexual assault is a crime which may include the following conduct:
    – Penetration or attempted penetration of the vagina by penis,
    finger, or object
    – Penetration or attempted penetration of the anus by penis,
    finger, or object
    – Penetration or attempted penetration of the mouth by penis,
    finger, or object
    – Nonconsensual touching of intimate body parts
    Men and women, irrespective of sexual orientation, may be either perpetrators or victims.”

    You are a sick fuck McKinley.

  46. #97 by Chiken on October 19, 2011

    I just want to say, , fuck all of this shit, im sick and tired of pieces of shit like mckinly and his sick fuck molester cops, just going about their lives,, never having to answer for their mis deeds, and the lives, they have fuckin ruined,.
    and this all needs to go way beyond, a recall, these men needed to be put down years and years ago. it makes me soooo mad,

    fuck them, fuck them all

  47. #98 by Bill w on October 19, 2011

    Fullerton Public Servant :
    I must give kudos to the person who videotaped this event……..Wonder if he knew he was being videotaped……However, please remember it was McKinley who hired Officer Hampton and we know what Hampton does when he does not like to be videotaped….. Who did he learn it from? Maybe from the man who hired him……

    These creeps think they own the world from decades of power and abuse of the public trust.

  48. #99 by Bill w on October 19, 2011

    Lucky :
    I want to thank those ladies that had the GUTS to be at the meeting and ask the point blank questions. You all deserve some sort of medal of honor when this is all through.

    AGREE

  49. #100 by Bill w on October 19, 2011

    SDLocal :
    “It wasn’t a sexual assault. It was inappropriate touching.”
    “Those ladies weren’t ‘people like this.’”
    I watched this video three times, just to be sure I really heard what I heard. I heard it.
    This crazy asshole is in organic, psychotic denial. He’s mad as a hatter. Creepy, too. Way creepy.
    Fullerton, where and why did you find this guy?
    He should be squatting under a bridge catching and eating polliwogs, yet he’s empowered, in charge, and stealing a fortune from you.
    Amazing. Amazing and terrible.

    How many women and children have never come forward?

    • #101 by blessusall on October 19, 2011

      The 12 women who had the courage to file formal complaints probably represent a small percentage of the actual numbers of victims.

  50. #102 by Pissed Off!!!! on October 19, 2011

    This train wreck is never ending!!!
    “Those ladies weren’t people like this”
    Oh Really???????????????????
    Moms,Daughters,Aunts,Nieces’,Grandmothers,Wives,Grand Daughters,Sisters,Mother In laws,Sister In Laws,Cousins,Half Sisters,Step Sisters,Female friends,Female co-workers,Females…..Last time I checked these were still ALL ladies regardless of occupation,race or origin and according to Mcfuckhead the supporter of cop rapist they are NOT EVEN PEOPLE. I’m a guy and find this shit appalling and a total put down to all women of this world!!! Fullerton can not recall this sick fuck fast enough.
    So what he was saying is that “those ladies” had it coming and inappropriate touching was what was needed,not rape or SEXUAL ASSAULT just inappropriate touching ….but hey he didn’t kill them so it’s not a dangerous thing because those ladies are not people. RECALL THIS PIECE OF SHIT AND SEND HIS ASS PACKING!!!!!

  51. #103 by van get it da artiste on October 19, 2011

    Let us not forget, ex fullerton police chief and current fullerton city councilman, Pat McKinley, also served on the orange county human relations commission headed by that other long-time fullerton resident, rusty kennedy. now, rusty’s tax funded commission’s mission statement is to protect the civil rights of all persons by promoting civility amongst the community. so how did this sexist, pat mckinley who dismisses sexual assault by his police officers as ok for the irregular ladies, be asked to serve on rusty’s orange county human relations commission board? From what I have read, rusty’s commission is dependent on OC police departments recommending their respective cities monetarily support rusty’s commission. I must infer from these events that rusty’s commission doesn’t promote civility. Instead his commission protects Pat McKinley’s police officers from civil rights abuse complaints.
    our tax dollars are used to pay six figure salaries to pat mckinley and rusty kennedy and in return we get rusty kennedy who protects his colleague pat mckinley from accusations that his police force routinely commits civil rights abuses. If rusty kennedy had not used his influence to protect pat mckinley’s hand-picked miscreant police officers would kelly thomas be alive today?My conclusions are formed from what I have read in the newspapers, from the OCHRC website, the budget report from OC board of supervisors and this blog, friends for fullerton future

    • #104 by Steve Brow on October 19, 2011

      This would certianly be a good opportunity for Rusty to make a statement and separate himself from Mckinley.

      • #105 by van get it da artiste on October 19, 2011

        from Fullerton Stories 21st September 2011 article titled “Council approves Homeless and mental Health Task Force” I’ve quoted from this article”Several more people came forth during the public comments section to volunteer. But an alternative proposal that sought to limit participation was motioned by Councilman Pat McKinley and approved by Council members Don Bankhead and Richard Jones.

        “We have a capable person in Rusty Kennedy as CEO and he could direct and determine anybody else they would need on the task force,” McKinley argued. “I think going through a long process of selection would dilute it.”
        Rusty Kennedy and Pat McKinley’s association is documented as far back as 1997 when Mckinley was one of those who served on Rusty’s Orange County Human Relations Commisson.

  52. #106 by anonymous on October 19, 2011

    This is horrible. This tape definitely needs to be distributed to media. The anti-recall group should give up now, Mckinley just slam dunked himself.

    • #107 by Mike @ Here on October 19, 2011

      Yes he did and it warms my heart.

  53. #108 by Mike @ Here on October 19, 2011

    This guy just killed his “She Bear” book tour. What woman in her right mind would ever contemplate buying a book from someone who doesn’t think you matter and downplays getting sexually assaulted by a cop? I love the part when asked what should they do if sexually assaulted by a cop….ummm you should call us. Yeah right!!! As a matter of record THEY DID and NOTHING HAPPENEND. More Like they are going to have sit around and wait for a Federal Judge to come to their rescue because Baldylocks supports cops sexually assaulting women of their city.

  54. #109 by Mike @ Here on October 19, 2011

    Google search:
    Search~Fullerton police officer Albert Rincon Sexual Assault
    About 4,170 results (0.27 seconds)
    Google search
    Search~Fullerton police officer Albert Rincon inappropriate touching
    About 20,400 results (0.31 seconds)

    I’d say people know who this predator is.

  55. #110 by Baldylocks on October 19, 2011

    None of you understand the true essence of She-Bearism. It’s all about protecting the right kind of women from the wrong kind of man.

    The wrong kind of women need not apply to the She Bear Club. And of course none of this applies the fine officers of the FPD like Albert Rincon.

  56. #111 by Wrong Guy on October 19, 2011

    Great points above Mike@Here.

    • #112 by mike@here on October 19, 2011

      Thank you Wrong Guy, Can’t help but speak my mind,sure as hell can’t kick’em in the balls because they ain’t got any.

  57. #113 by Wrong Guy on October 19, 2011

    You too, Baldylocks…LMAO.

  58. #114 by Wrong Guy on October 19, 2011

    I googled Albert Rincon and found this gem:

    http://www.fullertoncops.com

  59. #115 by Jane H on October 19, 2011

    He should be very embarrassed by his comments. He’s not though, which to me is embarrassing. How could he stand up there and say that those women are not people, like the audience? What year is this?

    He keeps tightening his own noose, or cooking his own goose, as it were.

    Shame, shame, shame on him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • #116 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

      JANE H-this bastard spoke to a group of women about ‘safety’ a couple days ago -this is the tape of that seminar- 10/17/11

      • #117 by Jane H on October 19, 2011

        Bastard is a kind word for him. I think this one hits close to home for most women. He is obviously out of it.

        I live in Whittier, which is a hop, skip and jump to Fullerton. I attended Cal State Fullerton for my graduate degree, so I have a some attachment to it. However, what kills me about the Kelly Thomas story and all of the fallout that has followed, is that it could be Whittier, or anyone’s town.

        I was once a young woman who had been touched inappropriately. In those days it was even harder to report it. I worked in bars and restaurants for many years before I went back to school. Been there, done that.

        This 2011 and no one in should make those comments, especially in public.

        He’s history now.

  60. #118 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

    I am at a loss for words after watching that, truly.

    It is a combination of shock, fear, and of generally being creeped out.

    Thank you to the brave women in the video.

  61. #119 by Jane H on October 19, 2011

    I am outraged right now! I really wish someone would put that misogynist into the back of a squad car and inappropriately touch him until he finally understands!

  62. #120 by The Fullerton Savage on October 19, 2011

    Well, there’s a TV ad for the campaign. “Women of Fullerton, which kind of lady are you…?”

  63. #121 by Where's Quirk? on October 19, 2011

    I wonder how Sharon Quirk will react to McKinley’s offensive statements.

    Well, no I don’t.

    • #122 by Where's Quirk? on October 19, 2011

      Speaking of that, I wonder how Fullerton’s feminists like McClanahan and Flory, who got this baboon elected, are feeling about their She bear right about now.

      • #123 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

        maybe Jan Flory’s dog has some insight.

    • #124 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

      I am waiting for her response to my email asking exactly this.

  64. #125 by Sunshine on October 19, 2011

    This was awesome! I thank the ladies who asked the questions. He was certainly caught off guard.
    Good Work!!!

  65. #126 by Ursa Major on October 19, 2011

    The only valid excuse for McKinley’s comments would be dementia. Otherwise he is a dangerous fool.
    I hope Fullerton citizens will be motivated enough to recall him. He is a shameful embarrassment, and a huge liability.

  66. #127 by Not Happy!!!! on October 19, 2011

    If sexually assaulted by a Fullerton police officer (namely Albert Rincon) call “us”? Look here Pat McKinley you are NOT a cop anymore,you are just a two bit balding book peddler trying to sell your nonsense book while giving a pass to molesters in uniform. How proud you must be of that. You are no better then a person standing up for a baby rapers and child molesters,how dare you! You highhandedly have shamed your family name for generations to come.

    • #128 by Where's Quirk? on October 19, 2011

      Yeah, “call us.”

      That’s like the witnesses to the Thomas murder calling 911!

      • #129 by Wrong Guy on October 19, 2011

        Or calling 911 because an FPD officer stole your video camera or cell phone.

  67. #130 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

    Where’s that Ward person who said to call her if this bald pig tries anything?

    • #131 by still love fullerton on October 19, 2011

      #108 by Cynthia Ward on October 18, 2011

      http://redcounty.com/content/pat-mckinley-against-some-she-bears-his-own

      I will be watching this dirtbag, and EVERY TIME he tries to step out sell that book I will be there. If anyone sees an ad for him as a speaker or doing a book signing please contact me. McKinley has NO BUSINESS speaking on womens’ safety!

      not sure when she posted this, b4 or after…

      • #132 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

        does anyone know how to get in touch with Cynthia Ward?

        • #133 by Joe Sipowicz on October 19, 2011

          admin can hook you up.

        • #134 by Cynthia Ward on October 19, 2011

          Cynthia_Ward@sbcglobal.net

          I want to hear about EVERY time this dirtbag steps out to sell that book. I will be there with video and ugly questions. I am so frustrated I could not attend the meeting this week, I did post to the Soroptimist facebook telling them I was ashamed that they invited him, they took down my comment.

          • #135 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

            thanks Cynthia

    • #136 by Jane H on October 19, 2011

      • #137 by Jane H on October 19, 2011

        I posted this before really looking. She doesn’t seem to have an email listed.

        • #138 by Cynthia Ward on October 19, 2011

          My Red County page is supposed to link to my email as well as my Facebook, which is open and public. Thanks for alerting that it does not connect, i will fix that.

  68. #139 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

    Someone please make sure that Ken & John get the video. They should play the audio track live on air today.

    • #140 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

      sent last night by me…and to several other places

      I havent sent to ch 5 or 11 yet, can someone do? I dont know how soon I can get this done today…thanks

      • #141 by TheMoron on October 19, 2011

        Merijoe;

        I don’t know if you recall, but last Saturday a woman and I believe her young daughter rode up to the corner where we were standing between the City Hall and the FPD. She engaged another guy and myself about the the situation we find ourselves in here in Fullerton. She was supportive of everything. We spoke a further about issues and was completely stunned when I told her about the Rincon situation and how he was using his position to fondle women in his patrol car after making up charges to get them in that position in the first place. She was really stunned when I informed her it was our councilman McKinley who hired this predator in the first place. She told me she hadn’t been out to the Saturday gatherings on the corner but now would be highly interested in attending.

        If not for the fact she rode by our little gathering, she was completely unaware of the name Albert Rincon and what he likes to do on the job. The Saturday protests work and we should not abandon them. I have a daughter and young nieces and its a damn shame that I have to tell them to be especially careful when encountering a policeman due to the action of some officers and the inaction of the higher ups in the FPD and the City Hall………….

        • #142 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

          oh yeah, I remember her and the child on bikes-I will be there around 10 on saturday

  69. #143 by cat94925 on October 19, 2011

    I’m not from around Fullerton. I read this site because I was so outraged by the Kelly Thomas videos. I don’t agree with everything on this site, but keep an open mind, because I don’t really know the players in this narrative.

    When I watched this video, I was just appalled. This man was the Chief of Police in this century? What an ignoramus. And so dangerous considering the power he wielded. Unbelievable..

  70. #144 by Wrong Guy on October 19, 2011

    Pat McKinley was never like the rest of the boys.

  71. #145 by levelthefield on October 19, 2011

    Received an invitation(flyer) from Congressman Ed Royce for the Fullerton Shred Day to be held on Oct 29 (Sat) at the DTF library.
    All the city owned shredders are probably worn out by now, so you may have to bring your own.
    A suggested better use for this time would probably be to make a bonfire of McKinley books.
    BTW where is ROYCE?
    Absurd; same flyer has a notice of a 1 hour town hall meeting what a jerk.

  72. #146 by Barry Levinson on October 19, 2011

    Did I hear correctly? I believe I heard McKinley state that he was not Chief of Police in Fullerton when Rincon sexually assaulted those women. If I heard correctly, that is a bald faced lie! I then believe I heard him say that he would not have let him (Rincon) back on the streets. Again if I heard him correctly, another bald face lie.

    Did LAPD or FPD ever do a psychological profile on this man? Based on some of his comments and actions, I would have expected him to fail miserably. According to McKinley it was just some “touching” albeit “inappropriate touching but not dangerous”.

    Every decent human being living in So. Cal. should call the city manager and all the council members demanding his resignation immediately. We can not afford to wait for the recall to take its course.

    He must go now!

    This tape must be played on the John and Ken show. Maybe their exposure of him will finally get him out of Dodge!

  73. #147 by Jane H on October 19, 2011

    “Why would anyone want to hear a predator’s enabler give a talk on how to avoid becoming a victim? And how would any of McKinley’s “She Bear” advice have aided the women trapped in the backseat of Rincon’s patrol car, in handcuffs and in the power of someone whose behavior was overlooked by his own employers?”

    Good question.

    http://redcounty.com/content/pat-mckinley-against-some-she-bears-his-own

    • #148 by Jane H on October 19, 2011

      Two questions actually. Both are excellent.

  74. #149 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

  75. #150 by We Are All One on October 19, 2011

    Mike @ Here :
    This guy just killed his “She Bear” book tour. What woman in her right mind would ever contemplate buying a book from someone who doesn’t think you matter and downplays getting sexually assaulted by a cop? I love the part when asked what should they do if sexually assaulted by a cop….ummm you should call us. Yeah right!!! As a matter of record THEY DID and NOTHING HAPPENEND. More Like they are going to have sit around and wait for a Federal Judge to come to their rescue because Baldylocks supports cops sexually assaulting women of their city.

    Only ‘certain’ kind of women. He has some standards. 0.o

    I just wonder how many of ‘those’ kind of women have been assaulted, raped beaten or worse and never were protected by our fine boys in blue. Obviously to the FPD ‘certain’ people like Kelly and scantily clad women don’t have rights and are sub-human vermin. What a sexist, racist, bigoted medieval piece of shit. Strip him of any power and send him packing.

  76. #151 by blessusall on October 19, 2011

    According to McKinley it was just some “touching” albeit “inappropriate touching but not dangerous”.

    Not dangerous for who? “Just some touching?” It’s just “some inappropriate touching” if a officer of the law arrests you, puts handcuffs on you, puts you in the back of his cruiser and then molests you? This statement is wrong on so many levels. This kind of thing can mess a person up, to put it in non-clinical terms. How can you ever feel safe in a world where the people who’s job is to uphold the law and protect it’s citizens are the ones who are committing crimes? Who can you call if the police officer is the offender? Quite a few of the women did report Rincon and an internal review yielded a report that went to the D.A., who declined to prosecute.

    There aren’t really adequate words to describe just how vile this whole thing is.

  77. #152 by Corrupt on October 19, 2011

    I bet if someone “touched” Tony Ra ca-ca’s wife he would have the guy prosecuted. Every dirty cop that turns up shows Ra ca-ca’s true colors.

  78. #153 by blessusall on October 19, 2011

    As to the danger, what do you suppose might happen if any of those women had resisted (as much as they could while handcuffed) the unlawful sexual molestation by Rincon? I think we know, don’t we?

  79. #154 by karma on October 19, 2011

    CERTAIN KIND OF WOMEN??? What exactly does THAT mean? This makes me want to go “She Bear” all over his ass.

    Did you notice how quiet he tried to talk so as to not be picked up on a mic?

    What a lying asshole.

    Is it possible to have a TV and replay this clip over and over during the Jon and Ken event?

    EVERYONE needs to hear this.

  80. #155 by blessusall on October 19, 2011

    “Those ladies weren’t people like this?”

    Only goes to confirm what we have known all along about City Council/FPD, that some citizens of Fullerton are not considered “people” by FPD and McKinley. They dehumanize certain groups of people and then use as their excuse that it’s their own fault when the police officers do these illegal things to them.

    • #156 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

      yes that bald puke tried to blame the women who were assaulted and fingered by the Nazi’s-appalling

      then said about other complaints women tried to give that “they werent proved”

      what a fuckface, I agree, recall, shmecall, he needs to go now

      • #157 by McKinley Must Go on October 19, 2011

        They weren’t “proved” only because Rincon was never tried for sexual assault, battery, kidnapping etc….

        He also lied about the DA going back 4 years looking into Rincon. Not that it matters much except to show what a bald-face liar McPension is.

  81. #158 by McKinley Must Go on October 19, 2011

    And now we know why the FPD is so fundamentally corrupt. That fish really did rot from the head.

  82. #159 by McKinley Must Go on October 19, 2011

    P.S. this zit still refers to the department as “us,” which tells us all we need to know about the attempted cover up of the Kelly Thomas murder by McKinley, et al.

    Absolutely disgusting.

  83. #160 by My Username Rocks on October 19, 2011

    I’m interested in knowing the reactions of the other women in attendance when they heard these questions.

    • #161 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

      I can only imagine the sort of things that are running thru their tortured minds at this point-Im sure someone feels like no one in power cares or is listening, amoung other things. I am in full support of these women that were assaulted all over again on the night of 10/17/11

  84. #162 by karma on October 19, 2011

    So I go check and see who publishes this “She Bear” book and funny , the publisher is right here in Fullerton.(done via public google search)

    846 LAS RIENDAS DR
    FULLERTON, CA 92835-1226
    (714) 254-5146

    interesting name that comes on the answering machine….hmmmmm.

    • #163 by McKinley Must Go on October 19, 2011

      I’ll bet anything a Chamber of Commerce member lives there.

      • #164 by karma on October 19, 2011

        Winner Winner, Chicken Dinner!

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      • #166 by karma on October 19, 2011

        Odd…Emily Roberts contact email is John Kuster of Fullerton at terrasage.com? (an IT consulting firm, supposedly) Wonder what his connection to the FPD is?

        this is like playing dot-to-dot

  85. #167 by karma on October 19, 2011

    Tesoro Publishing…sorry forgot to put that down first.

    • #168 by Tracey on October 19, 2011

      Tesoro Publishing = Chris Lowe, former mayor

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  86. #171 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

    I think the questions asked were good ones BUT, What I want to know is this;
    Does the person or persons hiring use their “sixth sense”?
    If so, how do “aliens” get hired?

    Signed,
    Looking for answers….

    • #172 by Johnny Donut on October 19, 2011

      Great point. McKinley’s reliance on his faulty “sixth sense” has cost Fullerton a fortune.

      • #173 by blessusall on October 19, 2011

        Actually, I’m not convinced it was that his 6th sense was faulty. I really believe he doesn’t care so would not have bothered to rely on his 6th sense if he had one.

  87. #174 by Durfee on October 19, 2011

    Need to take a shower after watching this creep.

  88. #175 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

    This bald bacon lover is obviously senile or getting that way

  89. #176 by Wrong Guy on October 19, 2011

    This disgusting sadistic poor excuse of an LEO had stated “Facial injuries do not cause death. Facial injuries to not cause death.” Yes, he said it twice on that CNN interview in August referring to Kelly Thomas’ pummeled face. This guy is so ‘full of himself’ he now thinks he’s an expert ME(medical examiner), an expert in self-defense and now an expert on women with “Those women were not people like this”.
    Really what was he trying to convey or imply there? Those women were ‘hotter’ and more desireable to grope than these women in here or THose women were slutty prostitutes and deserved it.
    This is absolutely disgusting considering this is Fullerton and the year is 2011.
    Let’s get rid of him. (Ooops, that may be construed as a threat. Please admin, don’t let Captain Hamilton arrest me for this.) lol

  90. #177 by fpd=keystonecops on October 19, 2011

    Whatta do ya know another sociopath cop. Not surprised and there is probably more around the corner. Maybe another book “He Bear” the study for the book, Rincon.

  91. #178 by ivn on October 19, 2011

    Fullerton PD is a good place for a butt pirate cop to rape guys or anyone else that is less likely to come forward. How many people have gotten away with crimes in return for “favors”.

    An experienced predator with authority and a gun is quite a problem for everyone. With mindful victim selection this kind of guy could go a long way.

  92. #179 by We Are All One on October 19, 2011

    merijoe :
    This bald bacon lover is obviously senile or getting that way

    It’s apparent that senility is setting in, but sadly these are views he has most likely held his entire life. They were probably instilled in him by his father and has passed them on to his children.

    What is sick is, there are people who revere him; see him as a good role model and deserving of every dime he’s sucked out of the system.

  93. #180 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

    oh yeah, Im sure he had always felt this way-no exuses are being made, its just that I know when senility sets in
    (much like when a person is under the influence of alcohol)
    they have no “edit” button and start spouting off things they would never say in a crowd -think it, yes, but not say it out loud

    Im not sure if this is the case for this idiot-but either way, he needs to get the hell out of office now (fired from the job) and should be encouraged to step down immediately

    • #181 by Excuses Excuses on October 19, 2011

      and Manny Ramos suffered a minor stroke during his contact with Kelly Thomas which greatly impaired his judgement.

  94. #182 by Fred Alcazar on October 19, 2011

    Maybe the saddest thing about McPension’s performance was that HE KNEW these questions were coming and still couldn’t come up with a decent story.

    • #183 by Spunky on October 19, 2011

      O He knew we were gonna be ther for sure!
      he was all up our my kool-aid at the end!

  95. #184 by 9c1copcar on October 19, 2011

    fullerton lover on October 19, 2011

    …the problem is merijoe that there are STILL women here in Fullerton who are NOT being taken seriously by the Fullerton Police Department. The sort of attitude that Chief McKinley instilled in his troops for 16 years still permeates throughout the entire police department.
    I spoke the other day with a Fullerton mother of two daughters who had been to the Fullerton PD earlier in the day and she was very distraught about receiving death threats from her ex-husband and his new wife.
    This woman had summoned up the courage to go into the Fullerton PD to make a police report, and the personnel at the front desk did everything that they could to discourage her from writing a report, including that it would cost this single mother of two $20 to file a report. When the woman insisted that the police take this seriously and take a report they still wouldn’t budge and literally chased her out of the front lobby. I have encouraged this woman to come forward with her complaint to Councilwoman Sharon Quirk-Silva and the FFFF blog to try and get some answers as to why the FPD aren’t taking reports for someone making a terrorist threat, as to hopefully avoid another domestic violence incident here in Fullerton that recently occurred in Seal Beach.

    *** If this woman will come forth at the Rally today, or the Protest on Saturday, Fedup and I will go into the FPD with her and force the issue.

    • #185 by fullerton lover on October 19, 2011

      Fedup/9c1copcar,
      I will be working elsewhere during the John and Ken show, however I have called and left a VM and will hopefully direct her to you two somehow during the John and Ken show which she will be attending.

  96. #186 by S on October 19, 2011

    In answer to a few questions above:

    McKinley stated that Rincon was “removed from duty” for two years until he (McKinley) retired. He didn’t define “removed from duty “as terminated (which we know didn’t happen), placed on leave, or simply taken off the streets. He just left it as “removed from duty”.

    Someone asked about the reaction of the audience. The reaction in the audience was gasps from us, of course, and perhaps one or two others. The rest were annoyed at us.

    • #187 by blessusall on October 19, 2011

      They’re laying the groundwork for Sellers to be the fall guy for all of it, although it looks like Sellers stepped into a mess at FPD. This stuff goes WAY back.

    • #188 by The Fullerton Harpoon on October 19, 2011

      Of course they were. You’re not supposed to be impolite to the guest lecturer – no matter how useless and corrupt he is.

  97. #189 by Tracey on October 19, 2011

    This is deplorable!

    Talk about Conflict of Interest.

    McKinley is the one that hired the “alien” who “innapropriately touched” female victims. McKinley swept it under the rug as Police Chief.

    Then later, McKinley sits on the City Council and has a vote in the settlement for which these women may or may not receive.

    How is that ensuring a transparent and unbiased investigation.

    If I were those women, I would file a new lawsuit based on that video and the way he referred to them!

  98. #190 by Tommy Chong on October 19, 2011

    Found this on twitter in regards to last night’s Fullerton City Council meeting: @edfcarrasco: Mayor Jones tells #Fullerton residents: “I don’t work for you! Get a life!”

    • #191 by Marlena on October 19, 2011

      Yes, he really said that. They just can’t stand the fact the real truth is out and it will not go away. McKinley stated at his Shebear get together that if “the tragedy” (Kelly) wouldn’t have happened then “those woman” would have only been paid $10,000.
      Seriously?
      I’m so disgusted by the backwards, biggoted thinking by the members of Fullerton city council.
      We do have a life and it’s just as important as any other persons.

      • #192 by blessusall on October 19, 2011

        Yes, if the FPD had not continued to commit crimes against Fullerton citizens, including murder, then perhaps they would not have gotten the attention and public scrutiny that they are now under.

        Notice it’s always about the $$$. They said they didn’t fire Rincon because it might cost them too much if he sued them. So the $$$ was more important than the safety of Fullerton residents and they kept Rincon on the streets to continue to offend.

    • #193 by Spunky on November 3, 2011

      That was me!

  99. #194 by blessusall on October 19, 2011

    FPD officers make terroristic threats (“These hands are gonna eff you up”) so I don’t imagine they want to make an issue of it since they are quite guilty themselves.

  100. #195 by still love fullerton on October 19, 2011

    S… annoyed??? you have to be kidding.. WOW!!

  101. #196 by S on October 19, 2011

    @Still love Fullerton: I wish I was kidding.

    McKinley also commented on the amount of money being awarded to two of the women, saying it’d only be 20k or less if not for the other thing (Kelly Thomas thing?).

    • #197 by And they deserve on October 19, 2011

      What’s $20k to pay for our heroes to have a little fun?

  102. #198 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

    Well, they sure as hell should be awarded something monetary, but that doesnt negate the fact that this creep still allowed this to continue without doing a damn thing, and frankly, the mention of that point of what the $ they were awarded is irrelavent and disrepectful

  103. #199 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

    I worked for FPD and all of a sudden: I was called a “gang member” and made to resign.

  104. #201 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

    Under this chief. I filed a compliant against the officers who claimed this “gang affiliation” and they denied this whole ordeal.

  105. #202 by We Are All One on October 19, 2011

    still love fullerton :
    S… annoyed??? you have to be kidding.. WOW!!

    You know these ladies think he’s some kind of god that can do no wrong. How dare anyone question his majesty. I mean, he thinks he’s some kind of hero. He’s disgusting.

    Did you notice the way he waves his fingers at the people asking questions? He pointed them like a gun at one point and in an authoritative, arrogant manner as to disregard and diminish anything that you’ve said. What an arrogant, self-righteous prick.

  106. #203 by still love fullerton on October 19, 2011

    i would like to thank all the ladies that attended this farce… and i surely would have thought their respectfuol quesions would have opened some eyes… this is just unbelieveable..

    btw? what was the age ratio at the farce? anyone know??

  107. #204 by We Are All One on October 19, 2011

    At 1:45 in the vid he aims at her as though he wants to shoot. You know that’s what he wanted to do. I trust my instincts on this.

  108. #205 by Spunky on October 19, 2011

    So I I get taken out by the FPD please reffer to this link and or last nights town hall meeting where the mayor tells me to get a life!
    K Thanks :)

  109. #206 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

    Spunky-its a good thing for him I wasnt there to hear that, I would have gone she bear on his bald ass-sorry he did that, consider the source and the alzheimers

  110. #207 by The Fullerton Savage on October 19, 2011

    Try touching a cop “inappropriately” and see if it isn’t “dangerous”.

  111. #208 by OC Weekly on October 19, 2011

    Pat McKinley Teaches Women Self-Defense, Calls Allegations Of Sexual Misconduct By A Cop ‘A Touching Thing,’ Not ‘Dangerous’

    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/10/pat_mckinley_teaches_women_sel.php

    • #209 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

      This is too much of a mishagaust to not get media attention

    • #210 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

      The OC Register only goes where the story isnt. Thank goodness for alternative media.

  112. #213 by blessusall on October 19, 2011

    Has Rincon been officially fired? My understanding is that he was served with notice of intent to terminate, which is not the same thing as being fired.

  113. #214 by Hick Jones on October 19, 2011

    H’it’s jes’ a lil’ slap an’ tickle with the ladies. Why y’all makin’ such a fuss over it? They love it!

  114. #215 by KFI AM 640 on October 19, 2011

  115. #216 by ivn on October 19, 2011

    a transcript would be very helpful, if someone does not beat me to it by tonight sometime I’ll start writing it up.

  116. #217 by Cynthia Ward on October 19, 2011

    I get angrier every time I watch this.

    • #218 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

      go get him cynthia!

  117. #219 by My Username Rocks on October 19, 2011

    Well, I attended the John & Ken Show: Recall Edition in Fullerton. Pretty damned decent crowd. I was pretty disappointed though that no speakers were playing the audio.

    • #220 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

      its still early, they said in the beginning they may play some of the audio

    • #221 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

      I thought the same thing

  118. #222 by Associated Press on October 19, 2011

    Task force on homeless created after man’s death

    FULLERTON, Calif. (AP) — A task force has been created to evaluate the situation of the homeless and mentally ill in Fullerton after a 37-year-old man died following a confrontation with police.

    The City Council decided to form the group to evaluate the mental health services available after the death of Kelly Thomas in July.

    The task force is being coordinated by the nonprofit OC Human Relations and will meet for the first time on Thursday.

    The nonprofit says the task force will meet twice a month for six months before making recommendations to the City Council. Members include interfaith leaders, city residents and Thomas’ father.

    Prosecutors have charged two officers’ in Thomas death. The city is also conducting an investigation of police practices.

    • #223 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

      Maybe they’ll give Rincon extra-extra patdown training while they’re at it :)

  119. #224 by Tom on October 19, 2011

    Yo Fullerton… wake up, this man is your councilman? every woman in Fullerton should be down at city hall tomorrow!!

  120. #225 by The Orange County Register on October 19, 2011

    Fullerton settles sexual assault suit against former officer

    FULLERTON – The city will pay a total of $350,000 to two women who say they were sexually assaulted by a Fullerton police officer, the city attorney announced Tuesday night.

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/rincon-322832-city-court.html

    • #226 by Marlena on October 19, 2011

      Disgusting

  121. #227 by We Are All One on October 19, 2011

    One of McCreepy’s ‘Aliens’ is costing this town a whole lotta dough.

    • #228 by blessusall on October 19, 2011

      It mentions the city hired an attorney to represent Rincon–that means the Fullerton taxpayers are paying an attorney to represent Rincon. They also are paying the settlement. It’s really messed up.

  122. #229 by nomad on October 19, 2011

    Mike@Here….. Oh no you didn’t “Baldylocks” LMFAO everytime I think of it!

  123. #230 by vw type 53a on October 19, 2011

    My Username Rocks :
    Well, I attended the John & Ken Show: Recall Edition in Fullerton. Pretty damned decent crowd. I was pretty disappointed though that no speakers were playing the audio.

    That’s why I left. Fail on their part big-time, or maybe a tactic to keep it small but I was disappointed. (and my kid kept yanking on my arm wanting to go eat lol)

    Whatever, bless them for keeping all of this stuff in the headlines and for helping out.

  124. #231 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

    they might still play it tomorrow-dont give up-keep sending it to them
    -they run out of time to do EVERYTHING

  125. #232 by Go FFFF on October 19, 2011

    McKinley is insane!!

  126. #233 by 9c1copcar on October 19, 2011

    M.U.R.,

    Very nice to meet you today. Talked to The Moron also. Great people one and all.

    • #234 by TheMoron on October 19, 2011

      Proud to stand with you and Fedup.

      Now if we could only cure your better half with this Notre Dame hangup, life would be much better………

  127. #235 by NBC4 News on October 19, 2011

    Fullerton Homeless Task Force to Begin Work

    Sgt. Andrew Goodrich: “Our officers are trained to deal with our homeless population with whatever compassion and understanding that they can. At the same time knowing that they have to enforce the laws. They have complaints they’re responding to.”

    http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Fullerton-Recall-Effort-Underway-132204628.html

  128. #236 by Voice of OC on October 19, 2011

    Councilman Alleges Cover-Up in Kelly Thomas Beating

    Fullerton City Council member Bruce Whitaker says he now has “every reason to believe” there has been a cover-up within the city’s police department in the Kelly Thomas beating case, though he adds he “can’t prove it at this point.”

    In an interview with PBS SoCal scheduled to air on Thursday, Whitaker said the internal information he has received about the beating has been “extremely misleading” and “might be an intentional misrepresentation.”

    He added that he suspects much of the inaccurate information was based on “false police reports based on the six officers involved.”

    “I told the city manager that I’m angry that we’ve been lied to internally, and that I can’t rely upon official sources of information. And I said there needs to be a consequence for that,” Whitaker told PBS SoCal reporter David Nazar.

    Pat McKinley, a current Fullerton City Council member, defended his record as Fullerton’s police chief, a position he served in from 1993 to 2009.

    McKinley added that he’s proud of the police department and confident an investigation by Gennaco won’t find a pattern of the police administration turning a blind eye to officer abuses.

    The former police chief also believes officers Ramos and Cicinelli had no intention of killing Thomas.

    “I can guarantee neither of these officers intended for Kelly Thomas to die,” said McKinley. “Obviously they were over the top as far as their control of Kelly. But they had no intention of murdering him.”

    The interviews will air on PBS SoCal’s “Inside OC” on Thursday at 1 p.m., Friday at 7:30 p.m., and Sunday at 11:30 a.m.

    http://voiceofoc.org/oc_north/article_6ca7dad0-fac2-11e0-a80e-001cc4c002e0.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQkgLM4hTVs

    • #237 by SDLocal on October 19, 2011

      Thanks for the links, Voice.

    • #238 by Marlena on October 19, 2011

      Bruce Whitaker, you have all my support. Please don’t give up.

  129. #239 by 9c1copcar on October 19, 2011

    THE MORON,

    A good ass kicking by USC this weekend will shine the light on the REAL TEAM!!

  130. #240 by vw type 53a on October 19, 2011

    9c1copcar :
    M.U.R.,
    Very nice to meet you today. Talked to The Moron also. Great people one and all.

    Sorry I missed you man, maybe I will see you Saturday.

  131. #241 by JN on October 19, 2011

    I was born in Fullerton. Thank God my parents bailed to the beach when I was 6 years old. Honestly, the fact that all these worthless piles of fungus are your elected officials simply exposes how impossibly stupid the residents of Fullerton are. Well done. Carry on.

    • #242 by The Fullerton Harpoon on October 19, 2011

      Fungus. Yes, a parasitical growth.

    • #243 by fullerton lover on October 20, 2011

      Fear sells. McKinley got into the Fullerton City Council because he was heartily endorsed by the Fullerton Police Officers Association, or F.P.O.A.
      It used to be that when a responsible citizen saw that a candidate was endorsed by the police department, that they would vote for them because everyone supports law and order right?
      The overwhelming majority of Fullerton residents have been shaken violently awake from their political slumber and have now become fully engaged with the folks at City Hall.
      I think it’s also safe to say that any of the candidates that run for city council after we get these jackals out of office, will run the other way if the Fullerton Police Officers Association wants to endorse their candidacy.

  132. #244 by The Orange County Register on October 19, 2011

    John & Ken broadcast from Fullerton to support council recall

    The hosts also accuse McKinley, the city’s former police chief, of watching the city’s surveillance video of the Thomas incident but taking no action.

    “The way they have defended and covered up for the cops simply can’t be tolerated,” Kobylt said of the three council members.

    McKinley said the claims are “absolutely untrue.”

    “I know no more about the incident than anyone else who watched the D.A. explain it,” McKinley said.

    The city attorney advised the council not to speak publicly about the case and “act as if you are a judge,” the councilman said.

    Neither Bankhead or Jones could not be reached for comment Wednesday, but Bankhead has said previously that his silence should not be interpreted as support for the officers.

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/three-322889-fullerton-recall.html

    • #245 by Baldylocks on October 19, 2011

      “I know no more about the incident than anyone else who watched the D.A. explain it,” McKinley said.

      Lying sack of shit. He said Ciccinelli and Ramos did not intend to murder Kelly. Now how does he know that? And why did he deliberatly lie half a dozen times at the She Bear talk?

      Because he is a compulsive liar, a coward, and delusional sadist.

    • #246 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

      The OC Register: We’re where the story isn’t.

  133. #247 by 9c1copcar on October 19, 2011

    VW,

    We will meet up on Saturday then.

  134. #248 by We Are All One on October 19, 2011

    JN :
    I was born in Fullerton. Thank God my parents bailed to the beach when I was 6 years old. Honestly, the fact that all these worthless piles of fungus are your elected officials simply exposes how impossibly stupid the residents of Fullerton are. Well done. Carry on.

    I’ve been here over 40 years and didn’t vote these idiots in. Too many ‘faith’ voters here in grand ol OC.

  135. #249 by My Username Rocks on October 19, 2011

    9 c 1

    It was good meeting you and Fedup today.

  136. #250 by Anonymous on October 19, 2011

    The book is listed on Amazon, someone posted a “buyer beware” review…mentioned his corupt behavior in Fullerton! O

  137. #251 by Its Kelly's Army not Ron's Army on October 19, 2011

    Has anyone asked Ron why he suddenly made the decision to discourage everyone from protesting in front of the PD pending the Mike Gennaco investigation?

    I find it a bit interesting that he said today on KFI that he doesn’t trust the Gennaco investigation.

  138. #252 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

    Geeze, Ron made a statement, thats all.
    Do what the hell you want -he’s being told all kinds of happy horsecrap-like we are- he’s doing his best to be gracious to everyone while trying to grieve the loss of his child who was horrifically murdered, give the man a break.
    Stop reading shit into every little thing someone says- you are a grown person?

  139. #253 by merijoe on October 19, 2011

    I mean stop reading shit into every little thing RON says-he didnt do anything and as I see it, is trying to grieve and fight for the memory of his son at the same time, and in the process has to hear things you wouldnt be able to handle and people examining every damn thing he says or meant to say or thinks is ridiculous and un- necessary.

    • #254 by The Ron Ron Ron Plan on October 19, 2011

      1) Develop behind the scenes relationships with key players in the city.

      2) Use relationship to secure a multi million dollar contract to “train” FPD officers.

      3) Use relationship to secure a multi million dollar settlement for the beating.

      4) ????

      5) PROFIT!

      • #255 by merijoe on October 20, 2011

        irrelevant

  140. #256 by My Username Rocks on October 20, 2011

    You know what, profit is not his intention but Ron sure as hell DOES deserve financial compensation for everything he’s been through.

  141. #257 by sheboy on October 20, 2011

    Its Kelly’s Army not Ron’s Army :
    Has anyone asked Ron why he suddenly made the decision to discourage everyone from protesting in front of the PD pending the Mike Gennaco investigation?
    I find it a bit interesting that he said today on KFI that he doesn’t trust the Gennaco investigation.

    What else is new. The cover up is in progress and will clear all these FPD animals.
    The recall activists are vetted and will be dealt with down the road. It’s what the animal FPD does they have dossiers on each and every commie who showed up at the demonstrations.
    And vengeance will be slow and final. After all the FPD has our tax paid resources to hunt us down while they continue in absolute power.

  142. #258 by Erin on October 20, 2011

    Hypocrisy is the act of persistently professing beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that are inconsistent with one’s actions. Hypocrisy is thus a kind of lie.

  143. #259 by CHIKEN on October 20, 2011

    wow ,, I JUST WANT TO SAY WOW , WHAT A FUCKING EVIL PIECE OF SHIT.

    and , you can see him , throw all those hand signs as he talks , and many of those are like occult hand signs and positions , DARK ONES,,, you can clearly see him throw the ACTUAL sign for the DEVIL AT the 46 second mark.

    FUC K you pat mckinly ur going down.

    check out http://www.arrestwanted.com

    hunt the she beAR

  144. #260 by Anonymous on October 20, 2011

    sheboy :

    Its Kelly’s Army not Ron’s Army :Has anyone asked Ron why he suddenly made the decision to discourage everyone from protesting in front of the PD pending the Mike Gennaco investigation?I find it a bit interesting that he said today on KFI that he doesn’t trust the Gennaco investigation.

    What else is new. The cover up is in progress and will clear all these FPD animals.The recall activists are vetted and will be dealt with down the road. It’s what the animal FPD does they have dossiers on each and every commie who showed up at the demonstrations.And vengeance will be slow and final. After all the FPD has our tax paid resources to hunt us down while they continue in absolute power.

    Can you elaborate on what you are saying?
    Have you seen these dossiers you are speaking about?

    • #261 by Sayeth on October 20, 2011

      Its a given that they will go after witnesses and activists once everything dies down UNLESS the department is disbanded or carefully monitored by the feds.

      If the same people remain at the department it’s going to happen and I’m talking about the high ups like Goodrich, Coffman, DiCaprio, Kirk, Hughes, Hamilton, Lira and any officer directly connected to the Kelly Thomas beating like Hampton, Wolfe, Craig and Blatney.

      If these guys stay, there will be problems. Don’t forgot, the Sainted Capt Hughes appeared to be coordinating officers in going after people for honking.

      • #262 by Jt on October 20, 2011

        I understand the paranoia, but that’s what it is, paranoia. Dossiers on everybody? “Go after witnesses and activists”? Hah. Yeah, we’re all running scared. “Go after” some donuts more likely.

        • #263 by Anonymous on October 21, 2011

          that’s what it is, paranoia. Dossiers on everybody?

          No, law enforcement collects “intel” on activists and protesters and its very reasonable to assume that this department could and probably will go after witnesses, protesters and/or activists if they havent already considering its track record.

          OTOH if you really believe that Fullerton pulled over people for honking because they were simply enforcing traffic laws and weren’t intimidating supporters then I have nothing more to add.

          • #264 by Yep, they are on October 21, 2011

            What in the hell could they find? I think Reality Is started out as the fall guy who engaged us all for the cops, but now that we know who he is, that charade is up. Gotta admit though, he adds depth to the blog.

            • #265 by Jane H on October 21, 2011

              Who is he? I missed that?

  145. #266 by We Are All One on October 20, 2011

    I just watched this with the sound off and got pissed. How can anyone be married to that? Oh, it must be his charm .. $$$$

  146. #267 by Paul on October 20, 2011

    I had to laugh about sheboy comments that the cover up will let them all off the hook and basically business as usual. NOT!
    In cases like this, there is always a lightning rod and Ramos fits the bill. Had he just illegally turned off his recorder like all the other Fullerton PD officers do (with no consequences, I might add), Ramos would be exonerated. He said she said. But the DA has him good! Right or wrong, someone gotta fall. After all, this will cost the Self Insured City big bucks. So I see Pat McPension and the sick chief Sellers as others who will fall. Now Sellers will make out because he is now incapacitated with a huge stress over his head. Thus a partially tax free pension is awaiting this bogus official.
    So mark my words folks, someone is gonna take the blame. Thats politics!

    • #268 by merijoe on October 20, 2011

      im hoping like hell these clowns will get caged like they deserve – wonder what Cyclops the uniball is doing these days? wonder if he can go to the drug store these days to buy eyedrops without being pointed at?

      hey Hogwild, disrepect intended

  147. #269 by Anna on October 20, 2011

    GODDD I wish I could have made it to this. I would have loved the opportunity to use my skills trolling the internet IRL :(

    Whomever said “I’m a person like that”–you own. :D

  148. #270 by Citizen on October 20, 2011

    This video is what finally got me to go sign all three petitions.

    “You will know them.”

    Umm, okay, then why didn’t you realize what kind of person he was when you hired him? And when the allegations came out?

    This man is sickening.

    • #271 by Marlena on October 22, 2011

      The whole SheBear event was sick!
      You only saw 3 min. We were listening to him for 2 hours.
      He has a God complex and his wife was sitting right next to us selling his creepy book.
      Only a sociopath would go on a book tour when Fullerton is in turmoil.
      He must go!

  149. #272 by nomad on October 23, 2011

    Marlena :The whole SheBear event was sick!You only saw 3 min. We were listening to him for 2 hours.He has a God complex and his wife was sitting right next to us selling his creepy book.Only a sociopath would go on a book tour when Fullerton is in turmoil.He must go!

    Wow! Sitting through 2 hrs. of that creepers semantics, constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. I could not have done it, not even for curiositys sake.

  150. #273 by Erin on January 23, 2012

    What a creep.. Be gone Pat McKinley.. AMF!

    • #274 by Ms.White/Not Betty on January 23, 2012

      McKinley is a dangerous creep. He needs to go now!

  151. #275 by Supercalifraglisticexpealidocious on January 23, 2012

    Wait! FPD has a purpose! Have any of you read this? http://fullertonstories.com/oprah-network-looking-for-fullerton-families/ Your teen is mouthing off. Community solution? Send in FPD to solve the problem! If they’re alive when done, it’ll be a miracle!

  152. #276 by The Fullerton Savage on January 23, 2012

    Still shocking. Most incredibly, he is still being invited to speak about how women can defend themselves.

    • #277 by nipsey on January 23, 2012

      Never underestimate the power of stupid.

  153. #278 by One for the books on January 23, 2012

    “Now don’t leap to conclusions!”

  154. #279 by Wrong Guy on January 23, 2012

    Great idea to keep re-running this post.
    Later on you may want to re-run that post from the “Inside OC” show,around the same time.
    This was the one where Chris Thompson and Bruce Whitaker were interviewed together, then McKinley was interviewed solo, where he made more desparaging ‘cop-sucking’ remarks. The interviewer asked him what his repsonse is to Ron Thomas’ question (that he failed to answer before) about when it was when his cops went from law enforcement officers to murderers. McKinley’s response was, “Just wait until the trial. Manuel Ramos has a VERY competent attorney.”
    Once again, just like a politician dodging the question, but even worse in that he tries to justify his cops actions insinuating his attorney will ‘get him off’.

  155. #280 by Wrong Guy on January 23, 2012

    Don’t you wonder if McKinley ever had his ‘eye blousing’ checked out by a doctor?
    Maybe that explains why he’s so fu*#ed up in the chrome-dome.

  156. #281 by Wrong Guy on January 23, 2012

    Supercalifraglisticexpealidocious :Wait! FPD has a purpose! Have any of you read this? http://fullertonstories.com/oprah-network-looking-for-fullerton-families/ Your teen is mouthing off. Community solution? Send in FPD to solve the problem! If they’re alive when done, it’ll be a miracle!

    Or another effective episode would entail a Fullerton family with young college age students living at home and their parents are so worried about them going out at night due to all the crime and corruption going on with FPD, ie. targeting young male college age student for false DUI arrests, unjustified beatings, ‘screen tests’, etc.

  157. #282 by Anonymous on January 23, 2012

    I assume McKinley is dressing himself. He shouldn’t.

  158. #283 by Lifesaving Service on January 23, 2012

    Someone who “LOVES TO CAUSE GREAT SUFFERING,” in his eyes does not do ANYTHING wrong, he is a weak dangerous injured animal, who holds his hand in gesture, like a Marxist, Fascist, leader, to control others and as you can see, Christine. There were many remnants of the Cold War, but they are dwindling away.

  159. #284 by Anonymous on January 23, 2012

    Please repost that wonderful analysis by Dr. Ott. That sums up McPension perfectly.

    • #285 by Lifesaving Service on January 23, 2012

      The Personality of Misplaced Self Worth
      “I believe this description fits Mr. McKinley quite well, as evidenced by his refusal to even offer a token apology for all the serious problems in your police force, a force that he appears pleased to have assembled. I notice that lawless police officers that he hired and trained himself are deemed to be “aliens;” the concept of extra-terrestrials invading this man’s police department sounds ludicrous to us, but not to him. Since the idea that poor decisions on his part is not” -Dr Ott

      http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/the-personality-of-misplaced-self-worth/

  160. #286 by Christian on January 23, 2012

    McKinley is a lot like an ice age: slow and cold.

  161. #287 by RM on January 23, 2012

    More like a receeding glacier, slowly melting away….LOL

    • #288 by Anonymous on January 23, 2012

      too slowly…needs some heat…

      • #289 by RM on January 23, 2012

        Perhaps the ‘Greenhouse Effect’ will prod that along. LOL

        • #290 by Lifesaving Service on January 23, 2012

          No its hot when your next to Satan.

          • #291 by nipsey on January 23, 2012

            Plenty of time for that later, first let’s get him unemployed

            • #292 by truthseeker on January 23, 2012

              We will see what kind of roots he has when he comes out of the ground.

  162. #293 by Anonymous on January 23, 2012

    A CHP officer convicted of murder. Thanks to the jury that had the guts to convict a cop. Let’s hope this encourages jurors to see that a cop is no different from a citizen when it comes to criminal behavior.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/01/chp-officer-who-killed-husband-recovering-after-collapse.html

    • #294 by M.U.R. on January 23, 2012

      She should’ve asked for a change of venue to OC so she could get off scott free and walk.

  163. #295 by Lifesaving Service on January 23, 2012

    Inside O.C. Oct 20, 2011
    Pat McKinley, Bruce Whitaker, Chris Thompson and Larry Bennett square off on the issues behind the Fullerton Recall and corruption inside the Fullerton Police Department.

    Mckinley is at 16:25 (Minutes) until end.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAQd8UFC-HU&feature=player_embedded

  164. #296 by Lifesaving Service on January 23, 2012

    Fullerton Councilman McKinley Speaks About “She-Bear” Signing at City Council meeting.

    “You said what you said!!…. You should just not talk!!!”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0IeGBgyuf8

  165. #297 by fullerton lover on January 23, 2012

    Reality Is :
    Classic. They just need to finish their dreams. Make Bushala spend max dollars on this and then go retire their pensions. Life is too short.

    Couple of Freudian slips eh? Maybe you should go ask Joe Paterno how long people last once their good reputation has been sullied…oooops too late!

  166. #298 by AntiCorruptionUnit on January 23, 2012

    Lifesaving Service :
    Inside O.C. Oct 20, 2011
    Pat McKinley, Bruce Whitaker, Chris Thompson and Larry Bennett square off on the issues behind the Fullerton Recall and corruption inside the Fullerton Police Department.
    Mckinley is at 16:25 (Minutes) until end.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAQd8UFC-HU&feature=player_embedded

    Livesafing, thanks for that link.

    Chris can talk the talk and walk the walk. I don’t think Bennett did anything that helped his cause.

    Whitakker is still dancing around the issues really. He doesn’t seem to be demanding answers to strongly, but acknowledges something stinks.

    Whitakker is the lone wolf in this stituation, I think he feels he is out gunned by the 3 Amigos FOR NOW!!!!

    He has no real horsepower or is afraid to get nasty and demand answers. Did I miss anything on this guy?

    McKinley is lying his ASS off and if you watch the video close you will see where he misspeaks several times.

    He claims to know nothing about the case itself, but spoke to defense attorney Barnett who told him that the trial is going to be interesting. BUT I DON’T know anything.

    Can’t talk about Sellers medical problems and he doesn’t know anything specific. He hasn’t talked with Sellers.

    A guy he help get appointed and hasn’t talked with him. BULLSHIT!!!

    Funny how McKinley is not demanding answer of anyone or anything, that message is quite clear. He doesn’t even dispute or support Councilman Whitakker.

    McKinely’s hiring of Cincinelli was because LAPD promised him his job back and then re-canted that decision.

    Appears someone felt sorry for Cincinelli but McKinely doesn’t explain LAPD’s concern for Cincinelli’s ability to function as a Police Officer.

    Or how Cincinelli was fit for duty in his view.

    If you believe McKinley DOES NOT know anything after 16 years as Chief of Police and 2 years as a City Councilman, I have some swamp land available here in Southern California for sale.

    Bottom line McKinley doesn’t know anything, and isn’t asking any questions.

    BULLSHIT!!!!!

    • #299 by Lifesaving Service on January 23, 2012

      Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Lies

      When dealing with a narcissist (or a person with borderline), we face one major problem, and this is the narcissist’s attitude towards lying.

      While the majority of people will have learned that not only that lying brings about devastation and destruction, it ultimately leads to total isolation and loneliness. This is, it hinders any sincere communication and hence the narcissist will find her/himself increasingly on the outside and excluded.

      However, as much as the narcissist notices this isolation and reacts with increasing panic, it does not bring about a modification of the narcissist’s coping strategy.

      The attitude of the narcissist towards lying is very childish and simple: If the narcissist lies and gets away with it, (s)he interprets this as being clever and superior to others. In this sense, while common sense clearly sees lying as a social ill, the narcissist views lying as an excellent tool to obtain what (s)he wants and as a means to demonstrate how stupid others are.

  167. #300 by fullerton lover on January 23, 2012

    I haven’t had the opportunity to talk with Pat McKinley personally,however knowing that he hired and promoted horses asses like Larry “the Liar” Bennett speaks volumes to me.

  168. #301 by Spunky on January 24, 2012

    Book Review from Amazon!!!
    Karma is a BITCh and so am I!!!!!

    6 of 6 people found the following review helpful:
    1.0 out of 5 stars This book is garbage, so is the author., October 19, 2011
    By Hooray for me – See all my reviewsThis review is from: She Bear (Hardcover)

    This book was written by Pat McKinley, the former police chief of the Fullerton California Police Department. The same department whom two officers that McKinley hired, beat a mentally ill homeless man to death. One of those officers, Manuel Ramos is now facing 2nd degree murder charges. The other, Jay Cicinelli is facing involuntary manslaughter charges. Another McKinely hire, officer Albert Rincon, allegedly sexually assaulted a woman in the back of his squad car. The city had to settle out of court to tune of $500,000 for that one. The judge in that case, accused the city of being complicit by allowing Rincon back on the streets. All while McKinley now sits on the Fullerton City Council, the overseers of the Fullerton Police Department. Buyer beware. Help other customers find the most helpful reviews
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    4 of 4 people found the following review helpful:
    1.0 out of 5 stars She-Bear, my foot., October 20, 2011

    By Jane – See all my reviewsThis review is from: She Bear (Hardcover)
    Don’t be fooled by this woman-centered book. This man is a misogynist who kept a sex offender on the Fullerton PD payroll. Help other customers find the most helpful reviews
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    1.0 out of 5 stars Does this cover how to not be sexually assaulted by the Fullerton Police?, December 5, 2011
    By Anna – See all my reviewsThis review is from: She Bear (Hardcover)
    This book is written by a man who presided over the Fullerton, CA police department where under his charge, sexual assault by police officers toward women is one of the highest on record. Now that he’s on city council and oversees the police department, things have only gotten worse.

    This book is not fit to be used as toilet paper (because that might mean you’re asking for it). I walk home with a flashlight in Fullerton to protect myself from the police, not from my fellow citizens.

    • #302 by Anonymous on January 24, 2012

      Heh heh.

      The Dinosaur’s extinction is near!

  169. #303 by Peaches on January 24, 2012

    I was at the Atwood/Placentia branch post office this morning – there was some fellow in line behind me who had a resemblance to McKinley – does McKinley drive a sort of pale bronze SUV?

  170. #304 by gary fouse on January 24, 2012

    Being retired law enforcement, I hate to criticize cops, but after watching the video, my reaction is..

    Does this guy have a clue? Jeez!

    http://garyfouse.blogspot.com/2012/01/hat-tip-to-friends-for-fullertons.html

    Ah, but I remember. This guy is Rusty (Empty Suit) Kennedy’s pal. Now I get it.

  171. #305 by Fullerton Female on April 4, 2012

    Thanks for publishing this again. A real public service. McKinley is one creepy bastard.

  172. #306 by Fence sitting Cardboard Candidate on April 4, 2012

    No, no, you have it all wrong. He’s a man of very high character.

    • #307 by Wrong Guy on April 4, 2012

      So was Charles Manson.

  173. #308 by Barry Levinson on April 4, 2012

    Here is what my wife Susan had to say to Pat McKinley personally at a past council meeting.

    “My name is Susan Levinson & I am a resident of Fullerton. My husband, Barry, has spoken to you at previous meetings of our support for Interim Police Chief, Kevin Hamilton, as he leads our Police Dept. out of the mess created by his predecessors. I know Capt. Hamilton to be of good character, compassionate, and above all, a gentleman.

    Capt. Hamilton stands in stark contrast to former chief Pat McKinley. I watched the video of his speaking engagement to the women of the Brea Soroptomist’s Club on Oct. 17 & his comments made my stomach churn & the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

    When McKinley was asked about former police officer Albert Rincon’s sexual assaults of females detained in his police car, he dismissed Rincon’s actions by stating, and I quote: “those ladies weren’t people like this. That was a touching thing. It wasn’t a sexual assault. It was inappropriate touching. Not a good thing but it ain’t a dangerous thing.” End quote.

    As parents, Barry & I have already taught our 6 year old son to be respectful of a woman’s body. Apparently, the same cannot be said of Mr. McKinley. What he has failed to understand is this simple fact: If a woman, regardless of her socio-economic status, is touched by a man without her permission on her breasts or genital area it is indeed a sexual assault. And it is a “dangerous thing”, as her sense of safety has been violated.

    It is because of his ignorance, callousness and lack of integrity that I implore the citizens of Fullerton to sign the recall petition and vote to remove Pat McKinley from our City Council.”

    No more needs to be said!

  174. #309 by merijoe on April 4, 2012

    “those ladies weren’t people like this. That was a touching thing. It wasn’t a sexual assault. It was inappropriate touching. Not a good thing but it ain’t a dangerous thing.”

    What the hell does that even mean? Out of curiousity, how do YOU interpret that?

    • #310 by Wrong Guy on April 4, 2012

      That was simply an egotistical Sociopath’s way of rambling, deflecting and swirving when confronted with the tough questions.

      This is what “Reality Is” does on this blog when confronted with the tough ‘Reality’ questions.

      • #311 by Reality Is on April 4, 2012

        Love you WG.

        I answer all, just not how you want me too.

        What it means is he doesn’t think dope freaks and prostitutes are a level of human as you and I. Pretty simple right?

        • #312 by Wrong Guy on April 4, 2012

          So is that what McKinley was implying?
          Those ladies were indeed dope freaks and prostitutes?
          How would HE know those ladies were dope freaks and prostitutes? Is that what Rincon told him?
          Maybe. But a pervert like Rincon is capable of lying just as any corrupt cop or street criminal/pervert.
          And as a former high-ranking LEO like McKinley, it is an extremely presumptuous and prejudice remark, implying “it is perfectly OK to sexually grope, feel up, bang, etc. any woman if she’s a druggy or prostitute.”
          That along with your comments, particularly back in September about eliminating the homeless is why I made that comparison to McKinley above.
          That is completely an “Old School” narrow-minded and prejudice LEO way of thinking.

          • #313 by Wrong Guy on April 4, 2012

            Oh and btw, luv ya too RI :)

          • #314 by Reality Is on April 4, 2012

            That’s what I think he was implying. Thats why he said these women had nothing to worry about because they aren’t dope freaks or prostitutes.

            That’s why the criminal case was dead in the water. That combined with severe credibility issues.

            No I don’t think that way but it’s reality in criminal cases.

            Homeless and transient issue does need serious help. Almost all homeless and transients are or have been drug addicts, alcoholics, been in prison, 290 registrants, or have mental issues. Fullertons homeless population doubled after the Kelly case. A majority of Fullerton citizens don’t want homeless wandering the streets, loitering around stores, mixing with their children, etc. they want them gone. Gone is tough. Shelters? No money. Jobs? No jobs. Welfare? Sure then used on drugs. Very tough topic and many answers but without money most fail.

            Yes McKinley is a clone of Gates. Very old school.

            • #315 by Wrong Guy on April 4, 2012

              Still, a very presumptuous and bigoted way of thinking because it was assumed ALL the women who came forward to file complaints about being groped by this ‘clown’ were prostitutes and drug using women.

              Bigoted because LE’s reality (or only yours) says that any prostitute or female drug user can be legally groped by a perverted officer.

              I guess you would also echo McKinley’s thoughts by assuming “innappropriate touching is not a good thing…it’s not a dangerous thing either.”

            • #316 by AntiCorruptionUnit on April 4, 2012

              RI’s vast experience in life tells us we should think this way.

              The true challenge for RI, would he care to explain such commentary before a jury? ONLY if most of the jurors were his age. Then MAYBE.

              Like I said Don, your wearing of the WHITE SHEET back in the day ifscoming through to some of us, LOUD and CLEAR!!!!

              Sorry to say some of the most astute Fullerton residents are missing the boat on who RI is.

              And the last name is NOT O’Malley.

              But since I have played this game more than once, I understand how many are still not figuring things out.

              • #317 by Reality Is on April 4, 2012

                ACU I don’t have to explain that to the jury. The Attorney does that as they destroy there credibility in building the defense. Come on you’ve been to court many times.

                • #318 by AntiCorruptionUnit on April 4, 2012

                  But it sounds like you haven’t at least since 1988.

              • #319 by Jane H on April 4, 2012

                Then help us out.

                I don’t think Bankhead or McKinley have the wherewithall to attempt this blog. But that doesn’t mean someone isn’t helping them out by passing on the info.

        • #320 by Justice for ALL on April 4, 2012

          RI stated,
          “What it means is he doesn’t think dope freaks and prostitutes are a level of human as you and I. Pretty simple right?”

          It sounds to me like you agree with McKinley that “those” people are somehow less than human and not deserving of their civil rights. Do YOU also not “…think dope freaks and prostitutes are a level of human as you and I?” (We already know how you feel about the “smelly” homeless and the mentally ill.)

          Indeed, it appears that McKinley trained you and his other minions very well; hence, the evil, stomach turning, culture of corruption that exists within FPD.

          • #321 by AntiCorruptionUnit on April 4, 2012

            EXACTLY JFA. THINK, you might actually be talking to RI EVERY time you go to a council meeting.

          • #322 by Fullerton Lover on April 4, 2012

            A little good advice for all from the book of Matthew…

            Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you? “The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

            “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ “He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’”

        • #323 by cg on April 4, 2012

          I take it, Rincon touched you, in all the right places. What a “BALL LICKER” you are. OH that’s you have to have a some balls, before you can lick em…..

    • #324 by Outsider on April 5, 2012

      I’ll repeat my earlier post. McKinley, Ramos, and Cicinelli need to go to jail. Ramos and Cicinelli should be sitting on Death Row. Come to think of it, San Quentin might be too cushy for these $hitbags; maybe Angola, Miss. would be a good place for these criminals.

  175. #325 by merijoe on April 4, 2012

    Reality Is :Love you WG.
    I answer all, just not how you want me too.
    What it means is he doesn’t think dope freaks and prostitutes are a level of human as you and I. Pretty simple right?

    Is that how you think too?

    • #326 by Reality Is on April 4, 2012

      Only from a criminal filing standpoint. They make terrible witnesses and victims.

      • #327 by merijoe on April 4, 2012

        That’s not an answer to my question

        “Only from a criminal filing standpoint. They make terrible witnesses and victims.”

        I want to know, specifically, who do you and the rest of your crew, consider is a “they” that doesnt make a good victim or witness, so you are free to do whatever you want to them cause no one will believe them?-tell me so I can warn people.

        Is it, any woman who isnt wearing a pantsuit? any woman who has heavy makeup on? any woman who is a cocktail waitress? Is it any woman under 30?

      • #328 by AntiCorruptionUnit on April 4, 2012

        THAT’s BULLSHIT RI. Never seen an a NOT GUILTY verdict because a victim was a hype or a prostitute.

        If that was the case DUMMY, then Rincon could have walked if Dick Jones would have been his defense attorney.

        • #329 by Reality Is on April 4, 2012

          Really? Never seen not guilty because a hype or prostitute. I guess that says a lot.

          Rincon did walk. No charges. DA said no way.

        • #330 by corrupt on April 4, 2012

          Hey Dipshit… $350,000 judgement and Rincon is no longer a cop… the other rape victims can come forward (7 years I think) …. Maybe Albey Al will release his files and prove us wrong…. Scumbag.

          • #331 by Lifesaving Service on April 5, 2012

            Its the OCDAs Office, other places probably wouldnt put up with that. Lack of any or proper oversight and consequences leads to the many many troubles seen here.

            • #332 by Fullerton Lover on April 5, 2012

              What’s your point? How do you know that this gate that leads to the track wasn’t routinely left open and in the early morning hours the driver was unable to see that the gate was closed?

              Does that give a police officer the right to shoot the driver?

              • #333 by Reality Is on April 5, 2012

                Huh? My point is clear. Interesting release of a video. Couldn’t the release also impact a jury or witnesses?

                • #334 by Fullerton Lover on April 5, 2012

                  I guess if I was on this juror and saw that the driver’s side window of the Marine’s SUV was shot out, indicating that the unarmed driver was shot while seated behind the wheel of his family car, with his two young daughters witnessed the whole event in the back seat, that that would raise more questions than provide answers.

        • #335 by corrupt on April 4, 2012

          Tell me you name RI. when you die I am brewing up a big batch of ale to release on your headstone….

  176. #337 by corrupt on April 4, 2012

    Aww shucks the New Orleans cops responsible for Danziger Bridge just got sentenced… one for 65 years and the least was a POS Sergeant who tried to cover up for his criminal murderers, he got 4 years…. Goodrich should look out. ….. Hey RI… spin this in the cops favor… scumbag.

  177. #338 by Anonymous on April 5, 2012

    Reality Is :
    That’s what I think he was implying. Thats why he said these women had nothing to worry about because they aren’t dope freaks or prostitutes.
    That’s why the criminal case was dead in the water. That combined with severe credibility issues.
    No I don’t think that way but it’s reality in criminal cases.
    Homeless and transient issue does need serious help. Almost all homeless and transients are or have been drug addicts, alcoholics, been in prison, 290 registrants, or have mental issues. Fullertons homeless population doubled after the Kelly case. A majority of Fullerton citizens don’t want homeless wandering the streets, loitering around stores, mixing with their children, etc. they want them gone. Gone is tough. Shelters? No money. Jobs? No jobs. Welfare? Sure then used on drugs. Very tough topic and many answers but without money most fail.
    Yes McKinley is a clone of Gates. Very old school.

    • #339 by streets of fullerton on April 5, 2012

      I don’t beleive this to be correct. The numbers in the armory where they stay for the winter months could be up a bit, but the amount of homeless around the fullerton transportation and train depot is down. The amount receiving services of food and clothing around fullerton is about the same.

    • #340 by Lifesaving Service on April 5, 2012

      Anonymous :

      Reality Is :
      That’s what I think he was implying. Thats why he said these women had nothing to worry about because they aren’t dope freaks or prostitutes.
      That’s why the criminal case was dead in the water. That combined with severe credibility issues.
      No I don’t think that way but it’s reality in criminal cases.
      Homeless and transient issue does need serious help. Almost all homeless and transients are or have been drug addicts, alcoholics, been in prison, 290 registrants, or have mental issues. Fullertons homeless population doubled after the Kelly case. A majority of Fullerton citizens don’t want homeless wandering the streets, loitering around stores, mixing with their children, etc. they want them gone. Gone is tough. Shelters? No money. Jobs? No jobs. Welfare? Sure then used on drugs. Very tough topic and many answers but without money most fail.
      Yes McKinley is a clone of Gates. Very old school.

      Very very old school, Old Testament, Satan and Demons. :)

      • #341 by Lifesaving Service on April 5, 2012

        With references to non shooting brutality and The Kelly Thomas Murder. Thursday April 5th 2011
        **********************************************************

        Do SoCal Cops Shoot First, Lie Later?
        [Moxley Confidential] In recent police-brutality cases, jurors decided the violent cops are also brazen liars
        By R. SCOTT MOXLEY Thursday, Apr 5 2012

        Ask prominent Santa Ana-based attorney Federico Sayre what ties together two recent, notable police-brutality trials he argued, and the former U.S. Marine officer won’t hesitate to answer.

        “In both cases, the key question was: ‘Were the cops telling the truth?’” says Sayre, the onetime head of the local Hispanic Bar Association. “And in both cases, juries concluded the cops weren’t being honest. The officers had been willing to lie under oath.”

          • #343 by Lifesaving Service on April 5, 2012

            “It wasn’t long ago that police in Orange County enjoyed reputations for honesty, as virtuous heroes. However, in the past decade, we’ve seen cops rape women, molest boys, steal cocaine from evidence lockers, perpetrate domestic violence, falsify official reports, assault handcuffed suspects, lie on the witness stand, knowingly arrest innocent people, party with organized-crime figures, accept bribes and destroy evidence. Last month, a jury convicted an LAPD detective of committing a sadistic murder.

            With Orange County residents alarmed over the savage killing of Kelly Thomas by Fullerton police last July and awaiting trials of two involved cops, questions about police credibility will remain a hot topic for the foreseeable future. Yet, for most of us, police corruption still isn’t tangible. That’s not true for Anaheim’s Ernest Raymond Rodriguez, one of Sayre’s clients.”

  178. #344 by Fullerton Lover on April 5, 2012

    Even if these police officers manage to walk away free from a criminal trial, remember that in a civil trial, the burden of proof to obtain a judgement against each and every officer involved in Kelly Thomas’s death.
    Remember that O.J. was aquitted of all criminal charges, however he was soon taken to the cleaners by the deceased families in a civil trial wher the Goldman and Brown families prevailed.

    Witnesses saw the 6-foot-2, 240-pound Coleman tackle the 135-pound Ramirez, throw as many as six punches to his body and knee him in his rib cage at least twice, according to court records. The force punctured the teenager’s lungs, required two hospitalizations, as well as surgery, and will forever prevent him from swimming or playing sports again.

    In the aftermath, Coleman adamantly denied beating Ramirez, but he claimed he had justification to feel threatened. Sayre asked the officer during a deposition to explain. Coleman said Ramirez asserted he had constitutional rights from police abuse when he was placed in handcuffs.

    According to a deposition transcript, Sayre asked the cop, “If a citizen says to you, ‘I have rights,’ you consider that aggressive behavior?”

    Here’s the answer that demonstrates how warped some Southern California cops have become: “An officer could take that as an aggression,” a straight-faced Coleman replied.

    Last month, the officer’s assertions didn’t impress a jury as credible. It sided with Sayre. Police could now pay more than $585,000 for the abuse.

    For Ramirez—now a grocery clerk—Coleman’s assault altered his life.

    “I don’t feel safe,” he testified. “I don’t think I will ever be able to trust the police anymore.”

    • #345 by AntiCorruptionUnit on April 5, 2012

      YOU got that right FL. NICE one you posted there.

  179. #346 by Kelly Thomas' family, supporters to hold birthday vigil on April 5, 2012

  180. #347 by Fullerton Lover on April 5, 2012

    What’s your point? How do you know that this gate wasn;t routinely let open, and in the early morning hours, the driver was unable to see that the gate was closed?
    Does that give a police officer the right to shoot the driver?

  181. #348 by Assemblyman Chris Norby cleared of alleged campaign fund misuse on April 5, 2012

  182. #349 by Reality Is on April 5, 2012

    It’s boring in here. Get some breaking news Tony. 2 months to go. Need some dirt if this going to succeed.
    :-)

    • #350 by Jane H on April 5, 2012

      Adrenaline junkie. Don’t you make enough news on your own.

  183. #351 by FPPC rules Norby's motel bill was legal on April 5, 2012

    Reached by phone Thursday, Norby said the ruling by the commission was “long overdue. It was expected. They never had a case.” He reiterated again that he learned a lot from his homeless study and that he’s just sorry a needless case like this dragged on, wasting taxpayer dollars. He said that he could have saved money by simply taking a fine, but felt that it was important to fight it. The cost was worth it, he said.

    “I’m glad it’s over,” Norby said, “and I feel vindicated.”

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/norby-347950-fair-practices.html

  184. #352 by Norbys long nose on April 5, 2012

    Norby was caught lying about misuse of campaign contributions, does this make him a Brady politician?

    Enforcement Division Chief Gary Winuk told the commission Thursday that he believes Norby is lying, that it would be an “amazing coincidence” that Norby decided to stay at the hotel at the same time of his marital difficulties. Norby and Marsha’s Marital Settlement Agreement stated that they separated on the same day the assemblyman checked into the motel.
    “The facts as they’re presented pretty much speak for themselves,” Winuk told the commission before it made its ruling.

  185. #353 by Fence sitting Cardboard Candidate on April 5, 2012

    No, really. He’s a fine man, and I wouldn’t be running without his blessing.

  186. #354 by Why knot on April 5, 2012

    Curled up and asleep between two houses. That’s where Fullerton Police Cpl. Eric Bridges found my 4-year-old son, Max, after a one-hour search through his grandparents’ neighborhood.
    Late yesterday, March 31, Max ran away from his grandmother while on a walk and disappeared into thin air.
    We had been at my older son’s fencing tournament and returned to the grandparents’ house to find a police car in front. Knowing nothing good could be happening, Carrie, my wife, checked with her mom to hear the short version of what happened. We immediately drove off to search.
    Within minutes we returned to the house so that Carrie’s voice could be heard by Max if he was hiding in the house. He wasn’t.
    Moments after that I received an email from Fullerton Police Lt. Andrew Goodrich, asking if I had a son named Max. He and I know each other through our professional lives – he as a public information officer and me as a journalist. He lives in the neighborhood and had been advised of the search. Even though he was off, he had already joined in.
    Within minutes it seemed we had half the Fullerton PD looking for Max, as well as some friends we are blessed to have.
    Forty-five minutes had passed and the crazy thoughts were running through my head at full throttle. Could he be hiding? What if someone picked him up? How many pools are in the neighborhood? What about boxes or discarded refrigerators? It all seemed like a TV crime show that wasn’t real.
    But it was. Max is on the high-functioning portion of the autism spectrum and all sorts of possibilities were in play, none of them good.
    As I drove around I saw Officer Alan Valdiserri talking to people on a playground. I found out later that he and several other officers on the day shift stayed late to help. Officer Claudia Zavala stayed the house coordinating the effort, as did Sgt. Dan Castillo.
    Friends drove slowly up and down all the streets in the neighborhood and even as far away as Fullerton College and Troy High School. Amazingly enough, FC security was already searching for Max too. Word spread fast among the law enforcement community and all of us felt an urgency to beat sundown.
    I was on my fourth house, knocking on each door and asking residents to please check their yards when I heard the call of “they found him!” Sure enough, he had hidden from Grandma and fell asleep in his hiding place. Cpl. Bridges spotted his bright blue jacket in a place several others had already looked past. Max was on the block, just a few hundred feet away.
    Words cannot describe the sense of relief that comes at a time like this. Nor can they describe the sense of potential dread.
    We are certainly not the first family to have an experience like this, nor will we be the last. But it was indeed happening to us and not to “someone else.”
    Talking later to Lt. Goodrich and thanking him, he reminded me that none of the other officers knew me or my family as the publishers of FullertonStories.com. Simply put, he said, “This is what we do here in Fullerton. That’s how we respond to these incidents.” He laster added, “these are the outcomes that make us happy. This is why we do this.”
    To the Fullerton Police Department and our friends David Styffe, Ray and Leah Lopez, Elizabeth Field and Harald Siewert, and Kate and Mark Sanborn: Thank you.
    Davis Barber
    Publisher

    • #355 by The Fullerton Harpoon on April 6, 2012

      Great nobody died.

  187. #356 by Colonel 7.26 on April 5, 2012

    Marisa Gerber (of OC Weekly fame) will be returning to SoCal in September to work for the LA Times…they are lucky to have her.

  188. #357 by Ms. White/Not Betty on April 5, 2012

    P. McKinley your book should be #1 on the next BYOBB (bring your own book to burn) event.

  189. #358 by Fence sitting Cardboard Candidate on April 5, 2012

    I don’t really have much to say about this recall thing anyway, because that would be rude and uncivil, and we can’t have our gentility violated. You people probably woudn’t understand these things. But I’d like to represent your views, so vote for me, even of you reject the recall, because there’s no sense me wasting a good opportunity.

  190. #359 by Wrong Guy on April 5, 2012

    Reality Is :It’s boring in here. Get some breaking news Tony. 2 months to go. Need some dirt if this going to succeed.

    We got enough dirt with you here RI… :)

  191. #360 by plain ornery on April 5, 2012

    Addressing the straying child of WHY KNOT.

    You are lucky CPS didn’t get involved and you weren’t charged with child neglect and endangerment.
    Now that you broadcast your praise of the FPD for doing their basic and fundamental job, expect that visit from a CPS social welfare investigator.
    Good Luck

  192. #361 by peaches on April 12, 2012

    Frightening news report about the estranged wife of Kern County’s sheriff – a search warrant was served for *their* son (drug related) at the home where she is living. She was mauled by a police K-9; police comments – no one responded, so they went in. Her attorney says she was mauled as she slept.

    Google Victoria Youngblood or go to http://www.bakersfieldnow.com

  193. #362 by Fence sitting Cardboard Candidate on April 22, 2012

    I still don’t think you understand. He’s a man of very high character. I said so myself.

  194. #363 by Citizen M on April 23, 2012

    Why knot :Curled up and asleep between two houses. That’s where Fullerton Police Cpl. Eric Bridges found my 4-year-old son, Max, after a one-hour search through his grandparents’ neighborhood.Late yesterday, March 31, Max ran away from his grandmother while on a walk and disappeared into thin air.We had been at my older son’s fencing tournament and returned to the grandparents’ house to find a police car in front. Knowing nothing good could be happening, Carrie, my wife, checked with her mom to hear the short version of what happened. We immediately drove off to search.Within minutes we returned to the house so that Carrie’s voice could be heard by Max if he was hiding in the house. He wasn’t.Moments after that I received an email from Fullerton Police Lt. Andrew Goodrich, asking if I had a son named Max. He and I know each other through our professional lives – he as a public information officer and me as a journalist. He lives in the neighborhood and had been advised of the search. Even though he was off, he had already joined in.Within minutes it seemed we had half the Fullerton PD looking for Max, as well as some friends we are blessed to have.Forty-five minutes had passed and the crazy thoughts were running through my head at full throttle. Could he be hiding? What if someone picked him up? How many pools are in the neighborhood? What about boxes or discarded refrigerators? It all seemed like a TV crime show that wasn’t real.But it was. Max is on the high-functioning portion of the autism spectrum and all sorts of possibilities were in play, none of them good.As I drove around I saw Officer Alan Valdiserri talking to people on a playground. I found out later that he and several other officers on the day shift stayed late to help. Officer Claudia Zavala stayed the house coordinating the effort, as did Sgt. Dan Castillo.Friends drove slowly up and down all the streets in the neighborhood and even as far away as Fullerton College and Troy High School. Amazingly enough, FC security was already searching for Max too. Word spread fast among the law enforcement community and all of us felt an urgency to beat sundown.I was on my fourth house, knocking on each door and asking residents to please check their yards when I heard the call of “they found him!” Sure enough, he had hidden from Grandma and fell asleep in his hiding place. Cpl. Bridges spotted his bright blue jacket in a place several others had already looked past. Max was on the block, just a few hundred feet away.Words cannot describe the sense of relief that comes at a time like this. Nor can they describe the sense of potential dread.We are certainly not the first family to have an experience like this, nor will we be the last. But it was indeed happening to us and not to “someone else.”Talking later to Lt. Goodrich and thanking him, he reminded me that none of the other officers knew me or my family as the publishers of FullertonStories.com. Simply put, he said, “This is what we do here in Fullerton. That’s how we respond to these incidents.” He laster added, “these are the outcomes that make us happy. This is why we do this.”To the Fullerton Police Department and our friends David Styffe, Ray and Leah Lopez, Elizabeth Field and Harald Siewert, and Kate and Mark Sanborn: Thank you.Davis BarberPublisher

    Um….that is there job…no heros there- they did there job- its called a paycheck, wish o wish they could have had the same civility -maybe Mr Kenton Hampton?….glad this turned out great, you have no idea, but to praise a job they are supposed to do…meh? Andrew goodrich, is a waste of space.

    • #364 by Dream Weaver on April 23, 2012

      What Barber’s really saying is that he really wouldn’t mind if we had 5 retired cops on our City council.

      Goodriech For City Council?

      • #365 by Up Atascadero Way on April 23, 2012

        Goodrich lives in a trailer in Atascadero. I saw him there at the Home Depot hot dog stand.

    • #366 by Fullerton Lover on April 23, 2012

      Davis Barber is nothing but a schill for the Fullerton Chamber of Commerce.
      http://davisbarber.photoshelter.com/

      • #367 by Fullerton Lover on April 23, 2012

        My apologies on the spelling error…s/b “Davis Barber is nothing more than a shill for the Fullerton Chamber of Commerce”.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill

        • #368 by truthseeker on April 23, 2012

          more like the old guard’s reconnaissance team

          • #369 by Lifesaving Service on April 23, 2012

            BS artist,
            This is still online, his interview of Fritschie.

            “Another witness to the Kelly Thomas arrest came forward this week, saying that the six police officers involved in the alleged beating were “just doing their jobs” and that the 37-year-old homeless man was resisting arrest.
            According to Richard Fritschie, 63, the two officers who pinned Thomas to the ground shouted “put your hands behind your back” several times as the mentally ill man writhed against the concrete trying to break free.”
            http://fullertonstories.com/new-witness-in-thomas-case-defends-the-police/

            • #370 by truthseeker on April 23, 2012

              Isn’t this Richard Fritschie character on the Grand Jury? He is a rather convenient fellow isn’t he?

              • #371 by Fullerton Lover on April 23, 2012

                Richard Fritschie also has no criminal record which is odd for a self described “street person”?

                • #372 by admin on April 23, 2012

                  If anybody knows the whereabouts of Mr. Fritschie please let us know.

                  FFFF would love to interview this gentleman.

  195. #373 by Lifesaving Service on April 23, 2012

    Im looking but cant find much about this.

    “Brea, Buena Park, Fullerton and La Habra city councils are being asked by their staffs to green light an $114,838 study by Citygate Associates to see if there could be savings by sharing some police services or even creating a joint police department.
    Brea council members gave their approval last month – the city is taking the lead on the project – and other councils are expected to be presented with the proposal tonight or later this month. Because Yorba Linda contracts with Brea for its police services, Yorba Linda will also be included in the analysis.
    North Orange County departments already cooperate to staff SWAT teams. Other possibilities could be crime-scene investigation, joint dispatch departments or shared command staff, said Fullerton City Manager Joe Felz.
    “We just genuinely want to look at all the options out there,” he said.
    Fullerton and Brea are expecting to save $1.3 million annually from its decision last May to share command staff between their fire departments.
    City managers in the region have been meeting regularly for the last couple of years to look at ways cities can partner up to save money, such as tree-trimming contracts and road work, Felz said.”
    http://www.ocregister.com/news/brea-347459-city-departments.html

    • #374 by thomas on April 23, 2012

      I think we should finance an audit to see where the money for this study is going.

  196. #375 by Anonymous on April 23, 2012

    Hey Moobs Omalley, how’s it hangin? :)

    • #376 by Reality Is :) on April 23, 2012

      Oh hello there.

      I find the She Bear kinda sexy. I wanna rub his bald head.

      Sure is quiet around here. Crickets.

      Smoking weed makes people quiet. Tony?

      Is it June yet?

  197. #377 by Fullerton Lover on April 23, 2012

    This is what can happen when you ignore or stonewall spouses of law enforcement officers who accuse their spouses of being abusive…
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/23/jacque-sue-waller-husband-missouri-mom-arrested-murder_n_1445880.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D154352

  198. #378 by Fullerton Rudy on April 23, 2012

    admin :
    If anybody knows the whereabouts of Mr. Fritschie please let us know.
    FFFF would love to interview this gentleman.

    What for? He’ll say anything for a carton of cigs.

  199. #379 by lil pajarito on April 23, 2012

    admin :
    If anybody knows the whereabouts of Mr. Fritschie please let us know.
    FFFF would love to interview this gentleman.

    He hangs out at the farmers market in downtown Fullerton on Thursday nights.

    • #380 by The Fullerton Harpoon on April 24, 2012

      Drinking beer with Pam Keller?

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