Florentine Mob Steps in Pile of Own Excrement. Again.

Sit down and grab some sidewalk, brother…

According to Voice of OC, our old pals the Florentines, pere et fil, are at it again.

The family goes way back

This clan of scofflaws has a long history of violating Fullerton’s municipal code so it should be no surprise to learn about their most recent hi-jinks.

Apart from rumors of arson and arboricide, FFFF readers have been treated to the Florentine saga of scandalous sidewalk theft, illegal dance floors, and operating in violation of the requirements of a conditional use permit.

The latest offense, which came to light at yesterday’s Planning Commission meeting is an application for a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) amendment that was not authorized by the property owner, a guy named Mario Marovic. The Fullerton Municipal Code explicitly requires property owner authorization for a CUP. Instead, the actual application form was digitally modified to show that the Florentines themselves could now authorize the amendment.  The person who signed the form, Joe Florentine, the junior member of the gang, claims he has no idea how the form got altered.


Ken Domer

Domer. Just following orders…

Once something starts giving off a bad odor it’s pretty certain that it’s only going to get worse. Many questions need to be answered, pretty damn quick: Why did the planning department process an application they must have known violated the law? Why did our crack City Attorney Dick Jones decide to accept the strange legal reasoning of Florentine’s lawyer? Did the City Manager, Ken Domer, direct the Planing Director to ignore the law? If Domer did, was it on orders from Mayor Jennifer Fitzgerald, who has been running interference for scofflaw bar owner in downtown Fullerton for eight years of mayhem?

So many question.


  1. #1 by Paging Todd Spitzer on January 9, 2020

    Submitting an altered form to a government agency is a crime.

  2. #2 by Paging all city crooks on January 9, 2020

    Who is getting a kickback. Inquiring minds want to know

  3. #3 by Sean Paden on January 9, 2020

    Council candidate Nick Dunlap deserves credit for drawing attention to and stopping this one. Good job.

    • #4 by Barn Burner on January 9, 2020

      I watched Florentine last night at the planning commission hearing. WOW. Got caught red handed forging city documents. Then he stated that the city staff KNEW ABOUT it. I actually believe him. This Is a criminal act by Florentine and the City Manager ( Ken Domer).

      • #5 by Nothing to See, Move Along on January 9, 2020

        If you have a problem with forging documents you should move to Podunk.

    • #6 by Anonymous on January 9, 2020

      Nick did an amazing job last night. Straight and to the point! He won my vote by protecting property rights and standing up to corruption.

      • #7 by A on January 10, 2020

        Who wrote this article and what do they have to benefit from it? We’re they snubbed at Pete and Tony’s as a young person?

        • #8 by Joe Sipowicz on January 10, 2020

          I wrote this post. It’s based on facts. And of course what Fitzgerald calls “word on the street.”

        • #9 by Anonymous on January 10, 2020

          They have the benefitial gain of not rewarding forgery and cronyism.

          Morality rewards itself.

        • #10 by Anonymous on January 17, 2020

          So you dont have a problem with this whole situation? As a fullerton resident I sure do.

  4. #11 by Paul Dunlap on January 10, 2020

    That it could get this close to approval without property owner consent is either through deceit or incompetence or both.

    • #12 by The Fullerton Harpoon on January 10, 2020

      It’s like being an incompetent criminal.

      • #13 by Red Light Hee Haw. on January 10, 2020

        Fullerton was run by a family with Italian roots. Actually, it was very well run…

  5. #14 by Anonymous on January 10, 2020

    When is Fullerton going to get sick of these thieves and lairs?

    • #15 by Robin Keyzers on January 14, 2020

      Yes, and it starts at the top. Look at the Oakmont development on Bastanchury.

  6. #16 by Anonymous on January 10, 2020

    CUP for what?

  7. #17 by Crook Seeker on January 10, 2020

    After watching the rerun of the commission meeting, Florentine literally threw the city under the bus and said that staff told him to forge the documents. Which person in staff?! Someone needs to be in cuffs. This is seriously absurd and needs to be fixed.

    • #18 by Jimmybob on January 10, 2020

      Looks like the City Manager is headed to Terminal Island.

  8. #19 by FFFF follower on January 10, 2020

    Questions about what the CUP actually did is proof of the corruption that engulfs City hall and the history of the Florentinos. The Cup essentially was to allow Florintino to do what is unequivocally prohibited in the Code, ie., exceed City and State noise thresholds. That should required a EIR. But not in Fullerton where the corruption trail dates back decades and implicates several Planning Directors and City Managers.

  9. #20 by Not My Normal Handle on January 10, 2020

    If I had to speculate…..

    Mario Marovic/Lounge Consulting Group has bought all the buildings starting with Vino Nostra (123 E. Commonwealth) going all the way around the corner to include Mimi’s Nails/the barbershop at 112 N. Harbor. They have plans to kick out all existing tenants, renovate the spaces, and turn them all into restaurants and/or bars. They have plans to convert the space behind Classic Barbers that is currently used for delivery trucks and employee parking and turn it into an outdoor patio/beer garden.

    Joe Florentine and his collection of bars have a long-term lease. Lounge Consulting desperately wants Joe Florentine out and are (according to Voice of OC article) trying to evict Joe Florentine. I believe they have tried everything, including calling the ABC, to get them violated on their liquor license, which requires Florentine’s businesses “must make actual and substantial sales of meals for consumption on the premises” (license issued to company called “Intimate Inns”). I have not reviewed the eviction documents and don’t know what the status is there or what the exact grounds for eviction are, but a lot of money is being spent on lawyers by both sides.

    Nobody has really brought up what I suspect may be the real reason Florentine wants to consolidate. I suspect/speculate it is because certainly some of Florentine’s businesses aren’t meeting the “actual and substantial sales of meals” requirement of his liquor license. However, if you bundle everything, especially to include his catering business, that helps him meet the meals requirement, which avoids trouble with the ABC, which might be a violation of his lease.

    So…..be aware of what’s going on, because right now the big behavioral/quality of life problem on that corner right now is just Florentine’s businesses (which isn’t to say all the other bars aren’t problems as well). Lounge Consulting’s core business is buying buildings and converting them into restaurants and bars. Lounge Consulting may end up making the area look better (they are going to remodel all the buildings inside and out), but the resulting increase in drunken patrons may end up making the are more problematic than it already is. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t.

    Regardless, with the sale of the building and especially if 100 North/Florentine is evicted, the City should require the demolition of the illegal sidewalk addition.

  10. #24 by Anonymous on January 10, 2020

    This is libelous. The real mob would never get caught so easily or operate such poorly run establishments.

  11. #25 by OC legal on January 10, 2020

    I think everybody here is missing the big picture. The City Of Fullerton tried to take property rights away from all property owners. They attempted to process an illegal application, without property owners consent. This would be a dangerous precedent since it goes against Fullerton’s own municipal code.
    Not only did they try and circumvent property owners rights, the city proceeded with the hearing after they confirmed the application form was forged by the owner of Florentine’s.

    • #26 by Charlotte Holstun on January 11, 2020

      Sounds like someone in the City is also, involved in this scheme. Why would the City accept an altered document? How can they take over Property Owner’s rights without the Owner knowing what is happening to his property?

  12. #27 by Collussion on January 10, 2020

    Orchestrated poorly by Domer, Jones Mayer, Fitzgerald.

    Jail time!

  13. #28 by Burt on January 10, 2020

    Has anyone made sure the DA is aware?

    • #29 by Tony Bushala on January 11, 2020

      Yes. I have.

  14. #30 by Anonymous on January 10, 2020

    Who gives a flying FUCK!!!

  15. #33 by Anatomist on January 11, 2020

    Why have this establishment been allowed to do remodel after remodel and never be required to provide ADA approved bathrooms? Everyone one else in town has been required to do this.

  16. #34 by Anonymous on January 11, 2020

    The credit for shining the light on this goes to Nick Dunlap. He’s exactly who we need at City Hall – intelligence and courage to hold staff accountable.

  17. #35 by Prince Albert in a Can on January 11, 2020

    Credit should also go to Mario’s lawyer who eviscerated Florentine, exposed the forgery, AND pointed out that the city was being played. D’oh!

    Link to Wednesday’s Planning Commission video: http://fullerton.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=1093

    Fast forward to 4:11:12

    This guy is really good…

    One almost wants to feel sorry for Joe Florentine, but then one remembers back in 2003 that the same Joe Florentine, with the collusion of City Redevelopment staff, stole HALF the width of a public sidewalk from the city and its residents for his own personal gain. 64 feet of sidewalk to be exact.

    This illegal patio expansion also required removal of 2 mature city trees so as not to impede pedestrian access. Unacceptable.

    Joe Florentine could not be more deserving of this comeuppance.

    Karma’s a bitch, eh Joe?

    • #36 by I on January 11, 2020

      If you don’t like forgery and theft, move to Podunk.

      • #37 by Oz on January 15, 2020

        Just gonna keep copying and pasting the same comment, eh, I?

        • #38 by I on January 15, 2020

          If you don’t like copying and pasting, move to Podunk.

  18. #39 by Anonymous on January 11, 2020

    Fitzgerald to Domer: Make it so.
    Domer to Foulkes: Make it so.
    Jones (who was in the loop): Looks good to me.
    DA Spitzer: Who me?

  19. #40 by Just a Nobody on January 11, 2020

    Another article.


    For the record…..I was supposed to be notified of the hearing as I own property within 100 yards…..and I never received any notice of the hearing.

    • #41 by Anonymous on January 11, 2020


    • #42 by Anonymous on January 11, 2020

      I’m shocked.

      I hardly know what to say.

      Actual journalism in the Fullerton Observer? Hats off to the writer, Judith Kaluzny.

      • #43 by Anonymous on January 12, 2020

        It’s almost unintelligible.

  20. #44 by Anonymous on January 11, 2020

    I sort of felt sorry for poor Joe – just another poor dumb bastard trapped by his own history of getting away with criminal shit. Too bad papa never taught him right from wrong. Oh well. Looks like a six-month stay at Theo Lacy, one third remission for good behavior. Maybe he can get a job in the kitchen.

  21. #45 by Anonymous on January 11, 2020

    Why Mario Marovic would not sign Joe Florentine’s repeated requests . That’s when the city stepped in to expedite the ….

  22. #46 by Keep it simple on January 12, 2020

    This is a land entitlement issue. City code requires property owners approval. Property owner refused to give it, and that’s their legal right. So the city decided to re-define the term “property owner”.
    It’s a sad state of affairs in Fullerton, when we are the only city in America (maybe the planet) the cant determine that the person who bought the property, is the actual property owner.
    Then, to top it all off the application form was forged by Florentine. First, he denied any knowing of the modified document ( even though his notarized signature was on the document). When the questions Got too difficult, he folded and admitted to modifying the document himself and stated on the record the city was complicit with the forgery.
    It’s not that complicated, the city was in on it. And if anything like this happens again, the city will be subject to criminal investigation and civil litigation.

    • #47 by Law 'N Order Ain't Free on January 12, 2020

      “And if anything like this happens again, the city will be subject to criminal investigation and civil litigation.”

      What makes you think they aren’t going to be subject to that already?

  23. #48 by History R Us on January 12, 2020

    Normally when you think “florentine” you think Renaissance. Ya know, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Boticelli.

    In Fullerton you think “jail break.”

  24. #49 by Tom on January 13, 2020

    Fullerton is what caused me to leave california alltogether.
    1. They allowed owner/builder fraud (builder hadn’t lived in home in over 7 years, no contractors license, workers used were fined by CSLB for fake contracors license).
    2. The inspectors signed off on MULTIPLE building code violations that THEY gave to the workers to abide by.
    3. They REFUSED to help the new owner recoup losses due to workers and the contractor having no clue on how to do the job correctly, which has created multiple leaks in the roof.

  25. #50 by Bigdick McGee on January 13, 2020

    After Sterling left, there was no reason to ever go there again. After they stole our trees and sidewalk, there is no reason to go there. Pete and TONY are both the rudest MFers I have ever tried to talk to. I hope the Florentines’ get what they deserve. And all of you ass wipes that helped them in city hall, Start sleeping with one eye open is the “word on the street”.

  26. #51 by Jonny Navarro on January 15, 2020


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