Oh, No. Not Again! Another Black Eye For The FPD.
The Fullerton FPD Culture of Corruption just got a new inductee into its Hall of Shame today, as reported by the OC Register’s Sean Emery, here.
It seems that FPD employee April Baughman, 52, is cooling her heels in the County jail, alleged to have swiped cash from the FPD property room for – get this – two freakin’ years!
The money quote comes from our friend “Acting” Chief Dan Hughes who is quoted as saying:
“When there are violations of public trust or actions which result in the reduction of confidence in the police department, disciplinary action will be taken swiftly and decisively.”
Uh, yeah, Dan, sure. Whatever you say. At least we didn’t have to read such inane bullshit as spoken by the otiose Sgt. Goodrich, although he probably wrote it.
Too bad swift and decisive disciplinary action wasn’t taken against the thugs who killed Kelley Thomas until ten weeks after he was murdered.
This latest humiliation begs two questions. One, how could there have been no accounting of property room inventory over this period without the collusion of at least one other miscreant; and two, how much will the Culture of Corruption created by Pat McKinley and tolerated by sleepwalking councilmembers Don Bankhead and Dick Jones end up costing us?
And naturally we are left to ponder the previous assertion of Acting Chief Hughes: anyone who believes there is a Culture of corruption in the FPD is either lying or misinformed.
Newsflash, Chief: we are not lying and we are not misinformed.
258 Replies to “Oh, No. Not Again! Another Black Eye For The FPD.”
Sweet Glow in the dark Jebus! Is there an honest person in that whole damn department?
I really think it’s time to call in the Justice Department.
It’s past time to do that.
Wonder how much she makes a year, before grand theft that is?
This looks like just the beginning. One person cannot commit this time of crime without an accessory unless there are no controls over evidence and property at all.
Remember that kid who was beat up and arrested and says his money was stolen? Doesn’t seem so far fetched now, does it.
Basic problem is improper controls. Now I wonder if Gennaco has this info in his report or more probably, his report is another robbery of taxpayer funds.
Property room cannot have just one person in charge doing everything, that is LACK of controls. There must be a collaborator. Until that one is found and charged we know the culture of corruption is ongoing and continuing. Sorry “Acting” Chief Hughes, it appears that your department is crumbling from within!
Yes there must be a collaborator or no auditing of inventory/evidence, or God forbid, both!
two freakin’ years! It appears there is not a single soul that has a oz. of ethics, that includes employees, or an elected official, in the City of Fullerton. What a joke this City is.
We are NOT lying and we are NOT misinformed and YES there IS a Culture of Corruption in the Fullerton Police Department.
Continue cleaning out your pig sty Captain Hughes…
Whats next to come out of the FPD? Anyone want to start a betting pool?
The money she is allegedly to have stolen was money that had been legally stolen anyway.
So, a thief steals from a thief so what!!!
BTW: Where is her due process, she works for the city and should have been handled through the personnel dept. Looks like about a $million wrongful termination suit may be forth coming.
Damn ornery, that was SO McKinley sounding of you.
The SLIME is clear in Fullerton.
Did they call Rincon in to give her a good frisking?
Common sense would dictate that an annual audit be done; that said, there are two “bonds”/insurance that most cities puchase – one is “Employee Honesty” and the other is “Faithful Performance” – to cover fiduciary responsibilities assigned to various employees (generally anyone handling money or similar financial instruments).
The companies issuing that coverage also generally require annual audits as well as demonstrated financial controls as to how money, etc. is handled (e.g., financial checks and balances).
Did Fullerton’s Risk Management staff fail in their duties? Or was this (the alleged embezzlement/theft) a possibility they did not consider because the property room wasn’t an “obvious” area for financial misconduct like accounts receivable, water department receipts, etc.?
You guys just dont understand. Like McKinley said on the seminar video, “those people were not police officers, they are aliens”. This lady is clearly an alien impostor working for the PD. A real PD employee is not capable of committing an act of distrust in McKinley’s mind. Once you understand this it will all make sense.
I wonder if on the alien planet they excuse criminal behavior within their ranks by claiming the perpetrators are really just Fullerton cops masquerading as aliens?
“Once you understand this it will all make sense.”
That’s freak’n hilarious Hollis!
McKinley’s comment from that She-Bear video was soo.. stupid. I’ve come to realize that McKinley’s definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed and appears to say stupid things quite often.
“I’ve had my eyes bloused (made up word) a couple of times”.
bloused is a word though it typically refers to the tucking in of your BDUs into your boot tops. in other words straightened and held in place.
Plain Ornery, where did you get that she was fired from the story that ran in the Register? That would be cause for a probable wrongful termination suit, right? And how do you figure that this possible criminal action would be best handled by the personnel department? Seriously, either you are that dumb, or you honestly believe that you can spew propaganda at will and not be called on it. Really? Let’s try thinking a little more before writing next time.
Hughes was informed at 11:30 AM (today) and she was arrested andd booked into county jail.
The accusation should have been handled by personnel, sure is odd that Hughes didn’t have knowledge of an investigation in his own organization or so it appears.
Once again, another damn shut-out by the FPD to walk over and cover-up.
I WANNA know where the trolls are???? Come in here and explain this one. JOHN DOE, come on in here you blue suited fool and talk your smack.
For your information, it’s this crap that makes good cops disgruntled DUMMY!!!!
WELL folks, you can see that ALL these supervisors FPD has, they seem to be lacking in job performance.
2 Years of THEFT in a property room that contains money , THE most sensative area within most LE organizations, has the weakest checks and balance system in place.
MONTHLY audits should be done!!!! But how does one steal for two years is the difficult question that must be answered.
I bet they had ONE person in charge of all that, or someone never checked on that one person?
Now Hughes has to admit there is a lack of leadership in FPD, there is a SERIOUS lack of security for sensative areas, and the checks and balance department is a COMPLETE failure.
Hughes it is now obvious beyond explanation YOU boys with the bars and stars have been sittin on your ASS for way to long.
“Hughes it is now obvious beyond explanation YOU boys with the bars and stars have been sittin on your ASS for way to long.”
And THAT is part of what he and “they” don’t want you to know. Hughes has been there for 28 years, and probably the next in command when Sellers was out, in addition to his other duties. I believe he is in it up to his eyeballs.
The only way out is to come clean with the citizens of Fullerton and the world.
“I WANNA know where the trolls are???? Come in here and explain this one. JOHN DOE, come on in here you blue suited fool and talk your smack.”
I wonder too. They’re reassessing their strategy.
over a bloody mary at the slide bar dungeon.
What did Tuco Rameriz say others told him at a party, NO ONE from FPD would be hired for a long time. YA THINK?????
If they get lucky and do get hired, it won’t be until they pass one of the longest polygraph tests in the history of Law Enforcement, that’s for sure.
Polygraph tests…that is a thought, I am all for bringing them out now for tests across the board.
Nothing to hide, nothing to worry about.
I am open for hearing question suggestions….
As cool as that might sound on it’s face, a tool that has never been accepted within the legal community with any teeth.
I realise that but IMO it could be a “check and balance” if you will, if someone knew they could be or would be hooked up randomly and periodically to a lie dectector test and they were contemplating or given to commiting a crime; it might give them “some” pause over carrying it out….that’s all.
Hughes you better check to see if the dope and guns are still locked up!!!
Is that why Andy looks so pasty these days?
2 years? uhhh, no way she got away with this alone for 2 years. I say, someone, or, ones, knew about this and was helping her get away with it.
Detective Lira has it right! What guns? What dope?
Us taxpayers are the dopes!
Hmmmmm, someone may want to check out Seller’s bank accounts. Not accusing, Just saying. :/
What are you saying here then? And I’m not clear on what the ” :/ ” means, can you enlighten me on both questions?
2 years? From a property room at a police dept? Someone looked the other way and gave her access.
I was asking Erin for clarification on her post.
This may have been money that there not any intent to account for.
The whistle blower will probably be fired now for exposing the internal incompetence and malfeasence within the dept.
I wonder if Gennaco will bring this up and other incidents up in his second report of the internal investigation. I wonder if Hughes will recant his statement that anybody who thinks that FPD is a culture of corruption is grossly misinformed or ignorant.
My guess is Gennaco is the one who found this out, or started asking questions about evidence and property protocols.
My second guess is that part 2 of the Gennaco report won’t come out ’til after the Recall election.
again!!!!!!!, who that hell is taking controll for fpd department, ? hudges u are not new in the fpd ,and this is been happened for two years ,are u kidding me?!!!! or this people are misinformed. you should question if mejia was involve in this scam.and you still dare to say :there is not culture of corruption,inside of fpd.
I think this is not only a distraction for now, but the beginning of something bigger. We all saw the signs when sworn officers were arrested and subsequently fired for stealing. What did the City Council do about it? What will they do about it now?
We deserve better from the City Council, City Management AND the FPD.
MCKINLEY….. DID YOU HIRE THIS ONE TOO???
Angel eyes is looking for a job. When he takes a job he always finishes it! Any openings at FPD?
“Culture of Corruption created by Pat McKinley:”
since pat mckinley’s influence grossly corrupted our police force, is it possible pat mckinley corrupted Fullerton resident Rusty Kennedy’s Orange County Human Relations Commission when he served Rusty on his commission’s board? Or was the professional relationship between McKinley and Kennedy a meeting of the minds or did Kennedy corrupt McKinley or McKinley corrupt Kennedy? Soaring above this circular discussion, it is obvious neither the Orange County Human rights commission and the Fullerton police department protected the community of Fullerton’s human rights. So what happened? Just my thoughts seeking closure
During a psychology class I took many years ago, the professor talked about assertiveness, and what’s called, “The Broken Record Technique.” In this way, one never get’s confused by an opponent’s diversionary tactics, By simply repeating one’s position in a calm voice, for every verbal attack, the opponent gets tired of the game. Examples of those kinds of attacks are numerous on this site.
What I like about van get it da artiste’s comments is that he never strays from his original question: What were Rusty Kenney and Pat McKinley actually doing when they were on the OCHRC? Evidence points to the fact that very little was done for the citizens of Fullerton and rest of Orange County.
Keep at it van!
Not really sure, so Im answering with this question.
What was Syria doing, heading the United Nations Human Rights Committee?
Probably helping to coverup and diverting attention, as we have seen in the Kelly incident. Criminals have trouble when they move up to murder. Murder with many many eye witnesses, in America is a whole new Game.
Even successful Organized Crime Families, are very careful with murdering. They need permission. 🙁
Messing with witnesses is a Capital offense (Death Penalty).
Forgot to add, enormous amounts of scrutiny and investigations.
just a simple answer, I’m not asking a hard question
If it were simple, you/we wouldn’t be asking. I sure would like to know what that commission has done all these years.
Emily Good, Rochester New York.
“Obstucting Governmental Administration”
“Beware of Citizens and Activists that know their rights”
Rochester Police Department arrested a woman on a charge of obstructing governmental administration after she videotaped several officers’ search of a man’s car.
with Union Rep. near end.
The only problem? Videotaping a police officer in public view is perfectly legal in New York state — and the woman was in her own front yard. The arrest report of the incident also contains an apparent discrepancy from what is seen in the woman’s own video.
Police Retaliate after Woman Arrested for Filming
You just can’t make this crap up.. Every day is a “E” ticket ride in Fullerton….. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
If this was a sworn officer it would have been kept quiet, just like all of the other crimes.
If it would have been a sworn officer we probably would not have heard a thing or it would have been reported as an incident that is under investigation and the officer is on paid administrative leave. Gotta love that police union and their bill of rights.
I wonder if any “sworn” were involved in this.
No oversight in the property room. Hmm…
How many people were in on it? Only her? I doubt it.
Im telling you that from my vantage point,I have seen the back lot change from, what looked like an episode of hoarders, to now rows of tagged property…Since Hamilton, and Hughes have taken over, I have seen a more organized back lot, with evidence tags, prior to that it was a mesh of bikes, wheel chairs, tires,lights, tents…, I have seen a difference.
And for this thief- I just cant imagine that this is the very first crime she has committed, you dont start off with stealing from a police dept evidence room, I mean, who does that?
….. well now we know.
The statement says Hughes found out about the arrest that morning which is weird. Did he not even know it was coming? Did he not know about the investigation that led up to it?
That would be impossible to believe.
in any case we have the spectacle of another crime committed by employees of the FPD. And one thing is absolutely certain. Without FFFF as a watchdog none of this stuff would ever come out at all.
The time frame is odd,
“Authorities say the money is believed to have been stolen between 2009 and mid-2011”
So, nothing in late 2011? early 2012? yeah right. IMO, the woman had help for 2 years and was thrown under the bus because she is civilian.
I’m sure Hughs knew all about it in mid 2011, I think what is being reported in the OC Register is when FPD decided to released this info to the public.
I think Joe S is correct, Gennaco must have found out in his audit about this “issue”:
“Authorities did not comment on how they linked Baughman”
I’m sure if Gennaco didn’t find the property room discrepencies none of this would have been found out or brought out in the open.
Dont give yourself so much credit. It was in the Orange County Register.
JD-derrrrrr. Thats who Im quoting, note the quote marks. derrrrrr
Go back to bed, little boy
It was in the Register because the cops issued a press release which they never would have done without FFFF – local heroes!
BTW, care to comment on the most recent rotten fruit to fall out of the Corruption tree?
maybe the investigators knew better than to let Boss Hog in on it?
Joe, your comment on #32 “My guess is Gennaco is the one who found this out, or started asking questions about evidence and property protocols” makes sense if Hughes was unaware of this investigation.
And if this is the case, I wonder if Gennaco purposely circu
mvented Hughes from this investigation due to the likelihood of Hughes aiding in a cover-up.
Based on the on-going history of corruption at the FPD as well as Hughes’ recent denial thereof, his main objective is to simply make these thing disappear before anyone outside FPD gets wind of it.
Maybe Gennaco will do his best to uncover and reveal all the stinch in FPD.
At this point, I really wonder why Hughes took this position. Did he have a choice? But why would he want all this agony? The glory? The pension spike at the end of his career?
Wrong Guy , I have ZERO faith in Gennaco, and hey if he throws John Q Public, a bone or two , well lets try that angle, well I for one, after researching Gennaco, think if he had anything to do with this, it was an accident, he, aside from his corny verbage, is about as worthless as coleslaw.
Let’s not give Gennaco too much credit. At the most, he asked “hey you guys audit the evidence room, right?”
Hughes: “Uh, yeah. Sure we do.”
Hughes (whisper to subordinate): “Time to update that spreadsheet from 1992. I hope we don’t find anything missing.”
At that time the FBI was more than in there!!
Yes, this is what I surmise happened. Gennaco checked out inventory records (or lack of same), started asking some really embarrassing questions, and Danny Boy decided it was time to do an audit. Yes, probably many years had passed, and the Culture of Corruption was in full, rampant swing.
But who’s responsible? Everyone will try to blame Mr. Disability Retirement instead of pointing to the real culprit: Pat McPension and his gang of enablers.
“But who’s responsible? Everyone will try to blame Mr. Disability Retirement instead of pointing to the real culprit: Pat McPension and his gang of enablers.”
The Ackerman Rotarians and Chamber types will try. Not us. The problems in the FPD are systemic and can probably be traced back at least a decade, maybe more. Now that the light of public scrutiny is on many things that were probably quietly swept under the rug can’t be anymore.
Yes. I wonder why an employee decided to rat her out though. And wouldn’t a property room have cameras in it?
As hilarious as your comment is JD, it is probably true.
It seems to me the name April Baughman has come up on this site before, but I can’t remember in what capacity.
Anyone remember? Am I imagining things?
No body was looking the other way, they just WERE NOT looking at all.
Many civilian employees are put in charge of the evidence room, and all the work that is involved in keeping it together.
It’s a BUSY job, and paperwork heavy. Only a COUPLE of people will or SHOULD have actual access to that area.
Like say the civilian employee, a sergeant, maybe a lieutenant or whoever, BUT the numbers who have keys or a combination should be VERY VERY few, and the reasons for that are simple. ACCOUTABILITY and SECURITY.
Most PD’s have evidence lockers near the evidence room. A cop would drop his evidence in the locker, close the door and NO ONE can get into the locker except those designated access.
The evidence lockers are cleaned out daily, and those items are put into the main evidence room by the clerk. All evidence no matter how small or large, the item is logged into a data base if it goes out or comes in.
That is not specific to every PD but something close.
Firearms,narcotics,money are generally given SPECIAL attention and secured accordingly.
That’s why I asked where is the dope and guns at. Could be stored in a different area though.
I don’t make the connection at all with Gennaco on all this.
I didn’t know he was an expert on evidence handling too?
Evidence handling is key in successful (or unsuccessful) prosecutions. I’m sure Gennaco knows about the proper (and improper) procedures.
I think Joe is right. Yet another failure for FPD accountability. It will be interesting to see how far back you have to go to find a real audit taking place. I bet it will take us well into the McKinley years. Baughman probably only started after she knew how lax things had gotten. Yup, another bloused eye for McPension.
“I don’t make the connection at all with Gennaco on all this.” -ACU
I think it was probably related to, “customer complaints”, and those who had access and recent interest in the complaint and reports files. (“mid last year, 2011”)
They didnt hire Gennaco until long after their initial need to.
“I don’t make the connection at all with Gennaco on all this. I didn’t know he was an expert on evidence handling too?”
He is doing that policy/procedure audit-that’s where Gennaco comes in.
I thank you for bring us up on the usual police property rooms practice,
IMO, Whether or not this person had access or permission to access the property room, she had help, either indirectly or directly, from FPD…
The past legacy of FPD tells me that.
She was cast onto the Alter of the Gods and Aliens, for appeasement!
The Chief always get’s tagged with ANY problem that happens in a situation like this, or any of the other problems that have occurred in as many months.
The evidence clerk, and HER immediate supervisor get TAGGED on this one just for starters.
One of those 3 Captains is the next in line. PERIOD!!!!
Evidence handling and storage is a MAJOR issue in any department, no matter how large or small. The potential nightmares just grow the larger your operation is.
Should just the one who got arrested be the only one suffering behind this, NO!!! If just the clerk get’s hammered and someone else just gets days off, well again what good ol boy with stripes or bars is getting a pass?
Even though this is just about money at this point, the ENTIRE inventory of evidence HAS TO be checked to see what else might be missing in all this.
A COMPLETE AUDIT must be done. Criminal cases pending could NOW be in jeopardy. MAYBE!!!
Maybe the policy and procedure when it comes to kickin someones butt, but the evidence issues has nothing to do with Kelly Thomas and the PIO’s involved in that.
There are many areas of procedure within a PD.
Is Gennaco going to look at policy and procedure in the Traffic Division too? How about the procedures in the purchase and maintenance of the department’s motor pool?
See what I am getting at? Gennaco is here about the Kelly Thomas issues and things that might relate to that.
The evidence issue is a different animal all together.
No, I think he has a broader mandate, although I haven’t seen his contract.
In any case he must have reviewed evidence procedure and is obligated to pursue issues he discovers – “there’s always more,” he said.
In this instance his questions may have spurred an internal audit and investigation.
I don’t believe the FPD would have done this on their own. No way.
ACU-I agree, but I’m sure Gennaco is looking at ALL the FPD policies/procedures-top to bottom, anyway, regardless of Kelly Thomas. I wouldnt be surprised if he looked into the Traffic Division too or if we see another examaple such as an OC Register article about someone ripping off gas to from the pumps for their own personal use.
Wouldnt be surprised at all if that happens.
A fairy tale.
Once upon a time Fullerton had a Police Commission.
When and who was involved in the elimination of this oversight agency?
The same may be said for the elimination of the Fullerton Airport Commission!
Many seemingly honest officers have left, just found a dispatcher that lasted 4 months, 20 years ago.
When we say help this employee, WHAT are we saying?
Open the cash drawer or storage area and said take what you need?
Or just didn’t supervise the operation to include the money handling aspect?
THERE is a difference, and NEITHER is acceptable in this case.
ACU-yep, take your pick also add, gave piece of the booty to the other(s) later on.
I just think everyone thinks Gennaco is here to look at ALL aspects of FPD operation, which are many.
I don’t see anything like that in his first report, or his scheduled upcoming coming reports.
For example is Gennaco going to put his comments to the tow company issue also?
The Van Meth arrrest?
From my memory the aspect investigated by Gennaco would be very very broad. (maybe to justify large cost :))
CORRECTION. “aspects” instead of aspect
LOL merijoe. Let’s wait and see what happens. I doubt we will hear anything else on this. So more accusations will pile on.
But one thing we can wrap our arms around, FPD needs a FRESH face as Chief.
What’s glaring is, it’s been 7 months, Sellers is gone, there was no doubt he was leaving FOREVER and the city is still running on a acting Chief status.
Not even a hint they are looking to the outside for a new face.
If they knew Hughes or Hamiliton were good for the job, then why is Hughes still acting Chief?
It didn’t take Riverside PD this long to get their act together, get a new Chief from the outside, after Leech was exposed for the drunk he was, and the cover up that followed.
Riverside PD is almost 3 times the size of FPD.
It really makes you wonder what other deep rooted issues that have still not come to the surface?
ACU-Waiting is always one of the themes for FPD-as they try to scramble and think of lies
Riverside PD is almost 3x the size of FPD but got their act together quickly, should tell you FPD snobs have gotten away with crooked wrong doings for so long, feel mighty protected by that bill of rights thing and assumed no one cared, that they don’t see any rush or reason to change anything.
OH merijoe, your preaching to the choir about snobs.
You want to see some snobs, or we are bitchen and your not?
Deal with some of those LAPD or LASD brats that pop out of the woodwork from time to time.
FPD boys are angels in comparision.
ACU-Sounds like “shitdontstink-itis” is a pandemic amongest the gods in Blue.
You can tell those who think their “poop” don’t stink if short order, if you ask the right questions.
“In a criminal enterprise you dont want someone that doesnt have skin in the game.”
OKAY!!! Guess we will wait and see if he talks about evidence or the traffic division is writing to many tickets, needs to slow down to better built public relations.
Maybe he will discuss a physical fitness program for FPD to help reduce workman’s comp claims for the future.
I am all ears!!!!!!!!!!
“Manditory Treadmill Duty” 🙂
Ellyptical too dont forget the large upper muscles.
They are running out of a strategy. That’s why they all came in here using various names from the get go.
They were hoping the pile of manure would stop growing. It hasn’t.
They knew if their was an implosion, they could slip away unscathed, beat their chests in the locker room.
Now in Reality, they have done more harm than good.
They just compounded an already UGLY problem with their idiot mindset, and did so from behind the keyboard.
No worries though, I have seen these warriors for the regime run and hide when they can no longer play this silly game, long before FPD’s unfortunate problems, and on a far bigger scale.
SAD, that no real courage was displayed in a manner some could understand, appreciate, and keep an open mind about.
That goes without saying, AMEN!!!
Yes Jane H.
By mere association. It’s that simple.
It appears Hughes is trying to shed the snake skin suit he is wearing right now.
But like we all have seen in hundreds of other issues, it’s a bit late.
When your asleep at the wheel, have your back turned away from the action, or walk away before the fight actually starts, and YOUR the boss. YOU buy the farm. NOW and FOREVER!!!
Initially we were told Gennaco’s investigation would consist of two parts:
1) The handling of the Kelly Thomas incident (murder)
2) The overall policies and procedures of FPD.
Therefore, if he doesn’t address this issue, the Veth Mam case, the Quinonez case, etc, that should tell us that he’s either overloaded with too many FPD cover-up issues and would need more time and and ‘change order’ (more money ) to investigate EVERYTHING, or he simply wants to aide FPD in “making all these crimes commited by FPD go away”…
“Council for the External Investigation” 🙂
The key issue here is not another scandal in the FPD. The key issue is that apparently this employee was stealing cash for 2 plus years without being discovered.
Where is the oversight? Where are the checks and balances? Where is the internal auditing?
Apparently, they are either faulty or nonexistent!
Oversight in more than a couple areas I might add.
I think you will REALLY find that the most lazy for the money that is being paid out in salaries, is the brass.
All the oversight that falls on FPD, seems to be lacking in the area’s of supervision.
When your top heavy as FPD is, and many others, then all this stuff happens, you have NO ONE to blame but the brass.
Picking on the rank and file members is easy, the brass throw them under the bus just to amuze all of you.
Someone who has paid attention to all this stuff, ignores the rank and file issues, turns over the rocks, finds those in power are the true SNAKES in all this.
Police management is either SQUARED away, and it’s obvious to those watching when it is, or just a bigger group of liars and cheats than those below them.
That too is obvious.
I won’t pick on street cops when I know there are bigger targets to have fun with.
Those overpaid supervisor’s who think their poop smells like roses and are SELDOM challenged.
THAT is the challenge to make in the game of corruption.
Much like it appers with Councilman Whittaker?
I hear ya there Shell…
In fact, two big disappointments I had with Gennaco’s initial and ‘limited’ report about the outset of the Kelly Thomas case was the fact that he did not address the timeline issues and lapses thereof.
The other thing was his statement of ‘not seeing any intent of a cover-up by FPD’.
The simple fact that all the misinformation was given from FPD in the first place, without recinding demonstrates deliberate ‘cover-up’ in of itself.
In other words, I am not in disagreement with you ‘Shell’.
Mayor Quirk has stated she was talking to City Manager Joe Felz about creating a sign and possibly a bench as a memorial” at the corner of the bus terminal where Kelly Thomas was bullied by the police possibly for “loitering”. Interesting to notice recent changes happing there . The removal of many benches in this area. .http://s18.postimage.org/nwzvydnvd/IMG_5011.jpg
And also a police 2 squad cars pulling into the terminal last night and asking 3 different people waiting for a bus if they were riding and to move on if they weren’t. The idea of another bench on that corner might be a begrugened one as developements suggest a sweep on loitering there.
Sign up for this, doesnt matter where you live, feel free to join
Another One Bites the Dust- http://youtu.be/rY0WxgSXdEE
I bet Cincinelli’s step dad watched the copy of the video his son has.
Such commentary and defense of a family member is to be expected under such circumstances.
We have heard many comments on how the DA has no case, from a cops perspective it appears the DA should not have filed any charges.
I expect to see police organizations come together and go after DA Rack if that is what they feel.
Funny how Hughes and McKinley in a true position to know, have said NOTHING along these lines.
They too have the same ability to defend their officers and call BS on DA Rack.
But no one has, WHY is that?
Again where is the courage of all these brave badge wearing souls.
Maybe they feel they need to wait, OKAY!!!! What will they do after the trial is over.
I expect nothing!!!! There goes their credibility again for writing a check their ass can’t cash.
We will see.
How did this Huels person get to view the video? and, Cici is a murderer, he did kill Kelly and he will pay for it…I don’t care about anything this dodo bird says and I don’t give a crap about his credentials from the horse and buggy days. Cici had no reason to participate, but he did. The video doesnt lie,
Nothing underhanded was done, except for Cici, his wonderful son, kneeing and beating a man into a coma even after the man cried out for mercy. yeah, big struggle and yeah, people wont be “tainted” in the least. Too bad Cici didnt use his “strong Christian faith” that night.
Merijoe, Huels watched the copy of his sons tape he no doubt now has, and is entitled to have by law.
So pops comes over to sit down and look at this tape for himself.
I would too if I could.
Ok, I think the difference would be if you did have a chance to view the tape, you wouldnt be so classless as to brag about it in the media.
Well if I saw it and saw BS on whatever side the BS lays, I might call it. It’s my nature.
But I would be specific that’s for sure.
General statements by the stepdad, as would be expected. He doesn’t add anything interesting to the article itself.
I use a simple test if I can find out what I need to know about a department, and their potential for cover ups and overall corruption.
One would ask how many influential people living within Fullerton have EVER been arrested. Common violations might be DUI or domestic violence. That would include surrounding cities.
If FPD says yea, we have done that, then I would check out the circumstances of the arrest. Could they have covered up the arrest and didn’t?
Or did they arrest because there were to many witnesses around and had no choice?
How many cops or deputy DA’s or judicial figures have they arrested. Again common violations would be for DUI or domestic violence.
Use the same formula for the elite ones.
Then I would ask the rank and file if they get any flak from the brass for arresting cops or the elite ones?
The cops are going to say yes or no, or they will tell you they don’t arrest other cops unless they are forced to.
If the cops say we arrest whoever screws up, no perferential treatment, and no our bosses back up our decisions to arrest, is a good sign things are on the up and up.
Because I can tell you the “sense of entitlement” among these people is GLARING when you get into a city that has money and power.
Just one indicator that MIGHT suggest a deep rooted problem.
If you see these things printed in the local paper from time to time, also a good sign or indication things might be running smooth.
And those party towns with their high dollar clubs and bars, will be ripe for the pickens on the elite ones potential for screwing up.
That litmus test might not work so well in Fullerton.
Most influential people in Fullerton are up there in age and aren’t the types who would commit DUI or domestic violence. With the abundance of younger cops at the FPD, I don’t believe they would make the connection or much care.
The recall effort has proven that age & class warfare is alive in this City. The average middle class 18-55 residents (pro-recall) vs. the older, wealthy, elitist residents (anti-recall). I wouldn’t call it a vicious hate but a line has been drawn in the sand for many years.
In Fullerton you can look at the number of “Felony Faulty Bumper Cases” and the like.
“I used to rule the world
Seas would rise when I gave the word
Now in the morning I sleep alone
Sweep the streets I used to own”…
For my head on a silver plate
Just a puppet on a lonely string
Oh who would ever want to be king?
Taylor Swift singing Viva la Vida by Coldplay
Thanks for that Vernon. Yes I agree the younger cops are a different breed as to caring.
April Baughman’s bail has been set at $50,000.
The default bail for PC 487 (Grand Theft) is $20,000 or the amount lost, whichever is greater. So it appears her theft is estimated at $50,000 at this point.
I can’t fathom how $50,000 disappears over a two-year period and nobody seems to notice.
Its Fullerton, they use to think, and may still do think they can get away with obvious videotaped murder, with 50+ eyewitnesses, minus at least one cell phone video with its owner.
Lying under oath, false arrest and prosecution, Intenionally ruining a young persons life, with a smile. Just everyday, “Standard Operating Procedure”
Dont forget the heavy and obvious “Political Policing”.
So her bail was twice as high as Cicinelli’s?
So true Vernon.
You could see the dividing line in age by going to the council meetings and seeing the small handful of senior citizens getting up to the podium to defend the anti-recall; not to mention all the signature gatherers who mentioned all their run-ins with the bluehairs and what-nots.
With all due respect to seniors citizens defense on such issues, when you ask the right questions of them, you more often than not find their beliefs and decisions based upon circumstances for long ago.
Few stayed informed. So those who speak accordingly will always have my respect.
Ya know, the it happened once in 1950, so it must be happening again.
These older folks come from an era that embraced racial segregation. Even those who have denounced such beliefs still cling to the idea of superiority. They have that insatiable need to look down on another group of people. Factor in their wealth and common employment backgrounds (mostly physicians and lawyers) and it becomes ten times worse.
A lot of it is overcompensating, and being ones own worst enemy.
Deep down they can feel a paralyzing inferiority.
Bullies are basically cowards.
Classy refined people are tactful and dont insult others automatically.
A lot of engineers and chemists in old Fullerton too. Hughs radar division, Unocal Research, North American (now Boeing).
It seems like their support and money is drying up though.
Fail is back
Hey RI, welcome back!
I missed you too; with every bullet so far….
From what Ive researched, the hard part is getting a qualified Polygraph operator.
I prefer other similar equipment, early in the Cold War there was said to be 🙂 , pardon my lack of P.C., A Gay Box or Fag Box, That the Russians employed to find out if a soldier or person was gay. A machine was developed in Fullerton over 2 decades ago, that could give a very young childs eyeglass prescription. within, as I can remember 85-90%, in just a few seconds without them even knowing. Remember back then Fullerton was a very high priority target for Russian missiles (Ground Zero).
A decade ago you could buy a voice stress analyzer that works over a telephone conversation. I dont know if that worked well. Recently I got a couple of Voice Stress Analyzers, NATO type, they are incredibly and freakishly accurate. Now I will not lie anymore.
I wish I could tell you more, I had clearance at a very young age and cannot and do not know what I may say.
Well here is one thing out of the Peace Officers Bill of Rights.
I know many of you love that. LOL!!!
Public Safety members cannot be required or ordered to take a polygraph.
Pre hire screening they can, after that, they can’t.
The pre hire is what I was talking about, I don’t want others thinking that police administrators can pull out the polygraph and demand others take one. A big NO NO!!!
I am all for a “rewrite” of the “Bill of Rights”.
Why should they be exempt from a polygraph?
If they have a fail or have a inconclusive result I do not believe that should be the sole basis of dismissal but I cannot see any reason they should have a “right” to be free of such testing.
Accuracy, is pretty low, the other big problem is getting a good or well qualified operator.
Actaully you will find that many employers in the private sector cannot use a polygraph either.
The courts across the country just do not wrapper their arms around the results of a polygraph.
Wish I had the answer to that but I don’t.
We all knew you couldn’t stay away.
i wonder who hired her. probably they forgot that was part of their training.
same shit different day! oh fullerton
time to change the city’s name :
LIVE AT YOUR OWN RISK!
That’s because she is not an official police officer which means she gets the same treatment a ‘Joe Citizen’ like myself would get.
Cicinelli’s an official police officer (due to someone’s favor) and has ALL the entitlements of one.
Isnt this one of the lawyers that represent Fullerton who is teaching this?
Here’s a copy of the Peace office Bill of Rights, on the PORAC website, evidently taught by one of Fullertons attorneys’
HERE’S COPY OF OUR BILL OF RIGHTS STILL BEING TAUGHT IN FULLERTON’S SCHOOLS 7TH GRADE AND UP-THE SECOND ONE IS WHERE THE TEETH ARE AND THEY GOT DEEP ROOTS-THANK GOD
First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Second Amendment – Militia (United States), Sovereign state, Right to keep and bear arms.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Third Amendment – Protection from quartering of troops.
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Seventh Amendment – Civil trial by jury.
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Eighth Amendment – Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment.
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Tenth Amendment – Powers of States and people.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Mayer and his crew generally defends city’s, Chief of Police and Sheriff’s for the most part.
They try and teach managment how not to be stupid, and cost their respective jurisdictions alot of money.
Sure is; he’s a police department (multiple!) attorney
Oh come on, either block him completely or let him stay. He’s a persistent li’l Glock toting bugger who doesn’t stay away when simply deleting posts. It’s either/or. Nothing else.
Well, some comments come, some go. It’s a mystery.
And that’s reality.
Comment to his own article, 10:35 today
Lou Ponsi · Top Commenter · Ramapo Colleg
Carlene, There was actually some folks in the community, including Kelly’s dad, who believe the police intentionally deceived and falsified some infomation related to peripheral issues in the case.
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Lou Ponsi · Top Commenter · Ramapo Colleg
Gennaco devoted part of his investigation to those allegations and found them to be untrue.
WHAT KINDA NONSENSE IS THIS GUY PEDDLING? I live in Fullerton and I don’t give a hoot about the attempt to turn this into a case into a stupid conversation about the lame attempt to cover it up. It never should have happened, my concern is that we have brutal thugs for cops wh are prone to violence, misdeeds, corruption of every type and worse of all MURDER!
You F’n POS, Lou Ponsi.
Lou Ponsi · Top Commenter · Ramapo Colleg
Terrence, Kelly was not shot. And the incident took place at night.
Disingenuous (Not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does) or does very little research. That camera is for Homeland Defense, not a typical camera. KFI informant said it was doctored by FPD staff, I bet DA has original.
Referring to a person as a POS infers that the individual possesses or is related to human or animal excrement. In my opinion in this case you are being far too flattering as demonic and vile are more suitable descriptive terms that characterize this person and their use of the power of their pen. Only the vile and demonic can mock the tragic murder of an innocent person in such an Orwellian fashion.
This is all part of the defense getting the public ready for court. As the DA has publicly stated now, I have also seen the tape many times. If I were a betting man, I would go with the DA on this one. It still puzzles me how some people think that a cop that beats someone’s face and head 8 times with a teaser while two other cops are holding him down a hero? I agree with Steve Grasha below “I don’t think the public is so concerned about “evidence of deception or a cover-up by the Fullerton Police Department” I think they are concerned about MURDER UNDER COLOR OF AUTHORITY”.
As far as your comments Lou Ponsi “Carlene, There was actually some folks in the community, including Kelly’s dad, who believe the police intentionally deceived and falsified some information related to peripheral issues in the case”. I not only believe it, I know it. Just because Gennaco said it, it doesn’t mean that it’s not true. It only means that HE did not find evidence of INTENT. It was ALL meant to make Kelly look bad and to justify their actions.
And lets not forget what the DA is also charging Cicinelli with (from the 9-21-2011 press release) “After the paramedics arrived, Cicinelli is accused of commenting about his use of force and the physical damage to Thomas”. Some hero Mr. Huelsman
I’m looking forward to seeing all of Kelly’s supporters at the hearing on March 28th.
I thought on the John and Ken show that the “informant” stated there were also comments made by someone regarding the incident later than that…..if memory serves me the “informant” said something about comments made in the locker room…anyone recall that and what was said and by whom?
I dont remember the comment to be very specific, there was also a really good animation.
Fullerton Police Beating of Kelly Thomas
Kelly Thomas Murdered By Fullerton Police! (INFORMANT) John and Ken KFI
The Informant Returns to the John and Ken Show
I think around 12:40 and forward the “informant” mentions the locker room comments allegedly made.
i haven’t heard what was said specifically but the general gist is half-pipe bragging how bad he hurt KT in the locker room. the only person to come forward though is the guy in the radio interview. according to some quotes some of the other piggies were “upset” by this. n ot enough to say anything of course.
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“Huelsman said Cicinelli and his wife, who have children ages 11 and under, are drawing on their strong Christian faith as the felony case marches to trial.”
Hi Tony. You are quick on the trigger for a Friday.
I’ll count the minutes it takes to delete this post. Ready! Go?
Hi everyone else since I know you get this via email.
Hi fucktard! Where’s that “proof” of those “lies” that “everyone knows about”. I am so ronery without your proof.
**************Off Topic, But funniest thing this month************
Reality Is caught on video, which one? A lot of Fat sexy people.
“People of Walmart” (Sexy and I know it)
I wonder if Reality “is” the 40/50sh woman I saw at the Brea Walmart – short skin tight hoochie mama skirt, skin tight tank top, over the knees patent leather boots with stiletto heels
Wow it’s been like 12 minutes. Tony must be taking his post lunch, joint smoking nap. 🙂
I’m the greeter with the big “nipsle’s”.
“It wasn’t a beating; it was a struggle,” said Huelsman, 72, a retired police officer who now works as a private investigator.
“There is no conspiracy,” said Huelsman, a former Anaheim police officer who retired from the San Luis Obispo Police Department in 1979. “Nobody is doing anything underhanded, and that will go far in terms of public opinion.”
If he retired from law enforcement (not just SLOPD) in 1979 – he did so at the age of 39 or 40. Interesting
You have to love those who say this or that did or did not happen without any further explanation.
And that may be before,during or after the main portion of the article they mention the person is a cop and his accomplishments in life.
Much like CNN when that had McKinley on the air, they were flashing some of his resume for others to see.
Much like everyone knowing Gennaco was a “former prosecutor”.
Just the title or experience is suppose to suffice in their answers, NO real explanation needed.
Problems at FPD are so diverse (from diversity training?) and now well over the 10% of force personnel that you just know this is not something that started with the Sellers reign. It takes 7 to 10 years for such a pervasive continuous culture to grow, then fester, then explode. I submit that only the scrutiny created by those 6 idiots handling of an unarmed homeless man, would cause Fullerton folks to question, investigate and be appalled at the things that Fullerton cops thought were ok! Whether it is stealing property from the property room or using the butt of a taser 6 to 9 times on a face, all is ok when its been ok for many years. Sellers did not cause this problem, Pat McPension did. I do not care if you are a Rotarian or a D.A.R. member, the poor policing for outsized costs are directly part of the Pat McPension years. I do not care if he goes to church twice a week at my church, or is in my club, or is the most charitable person in Fullerton, all these problems trace back to mainly one person. You know who that is! It ain’t angel eyes or blondie and it sure ain’t Tuco!
Its top down, Satan, McSatan, then the henchmen.
and all the 135 druids donning the priesthood garb and walking lock-step in complicity with their SILENCE
I feel for Cicinelli and Ramos families because these two never gave two craps for the affect on their families when these two officers (with help) got out of control. So when they became involved in this altercation, they felt they would be vindicated because its always been that way! So who is feeding Ramos’ 5 kids? The police union? Cicinelli gets a disability pension even though he worked patrol so he does not need money.
I hope all those police officers who get on FFFF to complain, are providing regular donations to Ramos’ kids. If not you really are slimeballs!
No police union or police officers are providing donations for Ramos. Yeah they are slimballs!
Is “slimballs” like having little or no balls?
They did, and are selling their souls, watever thats worth.
“Cicinelli will be exonerated”?….
the oc register and knx 1070 report that….
“John Huelsman, the stepfather of Cpl. Jay Cicinelli, also said he has reviewed police surveillance video of the deadly incident last summer and, after studying the 30-minute clip more than a dozen times frame by frame, said he believes Cicinelli will be exonerated.”
…..This is why the video surveillance should be seen by both sides. People in law inforcement have the opportunity to see and study the video then comment on radio and newspapers thier opinions….” based on the video and his study of it frame by frame he believes Cicinelli will be eonerated.” Cathy Thomas and Whittiker who represents a part of the public apart from law inforcement are unable to see or comment on it. The potential jury pool has more chance now of being tainted by allowing a select group access.It doesn’t seem right.
Lou Ponzi comments on the guilt of Cicinelli….
Steve Grasha · Subscribe · Top Commenter
I don’t think the public is so concerned about “evidence of deception or a cover-up by the Fullerton Police Department” I think they are concerned about MURDER UNDER COLOR OF AUTHORITY…
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Carlene Marie · Fullerton College
The fact of the matter is this man was brutally beaten to death. Kelly’s injuries speaks for itself. No one is claiming a ‘cover up’. The guy was killed at the hands of the Fullerton police Department.
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Lou Ponsi · Top Commenter · Ramapo Colleg
Carlene, There was actually some folks in the community, including Kelly’s dad, who believe the police intentionally deceived and falsified some infomation related to peripheral issues in the case.
Reply · Like · 4 hours ago
Lou Ponsi · Top Commenter · Ramapo Colleg
Gennaco devoted part of his investigation to those allegations and found them to be untrue.
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more Lou Ponzi comments…
Terrence Ashwill · Top Commenter · Works at The Miller Group
It is abhorrent that an upstanding citizen like Kelly Thomas was shot in broad daylight by the “police” for absolutely no reason. The entire police department should be eliminated.
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Lou Ponsi · Top Commenter · Ramapo Colleg
Terrence, Kelly was not shot. And the incident took place at night.
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Frank Valdespino · Top Commenter
Lou Ponsi – And those facts, coupled with his step-father’s opinion means exactly what? Nothing…
CENTER, TX (KTRE) –
An estranged couple is suing 11 members of the Center Police force following a January raid on what ended up being at the wrong home during a service of a search warrant.
According to a complaint filed in federal court by Nacogdoches attorney Curtis Stuckey, Detectives Ricky King, Stephen Stroud, John Welch and Joey Haley, Sgt. Scott Burkhalter, Officers Chris Knowlton, Jeremy Konderla, Steven Thornburgh and David Haley and two unknown Center Police employees raided the home, located on County Road 2231 in Center on Jan. 7.
Read the full complaint
The complaint said Fields was visiting with her estranged husband, Stephen Fields, around 7:30 p.m. when they saw “a hoard of gun toting intruders running around outside the mobile home. This hoard of gun toting intruders barged inside and Plaintiffs were separated from each other and handcuffed.
The complaint details how Marilyn Fields got on her knees and prayed because the guns were drawn on the Fields and the police began pulling stuff out of bedrooms, pulling covers off the sofa and “basically ransacked the house.”
“Defendants stayed at the home for about 30 minutes before their light bulbs came on and they realized that they were at the wrong house,” according to the complaint.
Marilyn Fields had to go to the hospital the next day from a panic attack and “her blood pressure was completely out of control.”
The complaint said the police actually went to the wrong mobile home and would have been at the correct one, had they followed directions on the search warrant.
The lawsuit is asking for punitive damages because of “substantial damages to Plaintiffs Marilyn and Stephen Fields including terror, grief, mental anguish, humiliation, embarrassment and medical bills.”
The complaint was filed on Feb. 17. No deadlines or hearings have been scheduled.
Center Police had no comment on the lawsuit.
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Maybe she was bitter because she wasn’t going to receive the $80+ rain coat like her co-workers. Like I’ve stated before…breeding felons over there off Highland. I wonder if that was why the Santa Ana squad car was there yesterday.
Chief Hughes, I am lying and misinformed but I think you are retiring soon! Nothing has changed!
ACU, you will remember that FPD quickly referred this matter to the DA and then pretended as if nothing out of the ordinary ever happened. They did not even put the officers involved on routine administrative leave until the public outcry forced them into it.
The council majority was frozen also. McKinley and Bankhead are FPD and with Jones alongside the council majority is FPD. Genacco was chozen, with the involvement of my cousin, to come in as an independent agency to tell the council what they should do, as the council was not prepared to actually govern the city.
In Riverside, Leach screwed up but the city government was functional and acted. The Fullerton government was on cruize control with the city management leading the council and the council rubber stamping. When the city management screwed up, top of the list being Police Chief Sellers, there was no functioning council to take control.
Your insinuation is that the Council should be looking for a new police chief from the outside? They can not do that yet. They are in hiding waiting for Genacco to tell them what to do so that they will not be liable for their own decissions. That was the design in hiring Genacco.
It is a damn good thing that my cousin Rusty was there to advise City Manager Joe Feltz and agree on the hiring of Mark Genacco.
Steve Brow, the man who prides himself on his courage to use his own name on this blog site, act like a man and answer your own question.
I’m working on it. I’ll copy the administrators and they can make the decission to publish or not.
However, asking questions and goading others to come up with the answers is a tactic that I picked up from you.
“goading” is that how you see it?
Yes, but I did not mean that there was anything wrong by goading people.
oooh, wow! the world would explode into smithereens if you should ever decide to fully unleash your insider knowledge. I bet you are one of those men who wear or did wear dark suits with a briefcase handcuffed to your wrist. Golly, Steve, you are the man in the know
I normally wear dark jeans and a T-shirt. It is not that I am the man in the know, but that I was educated in a logical process of getting the truth.
When I was 14 years old, I witnessed my 16 year old brother back my 18 year old cousin into logical corners again and again and again.
Let me ask, by what process do you think that the thinking of 127 year old Fullerton will change?
Steve, after reading your logical thought process, I don’t think much of your thinking processes.
You are free to offer correction at any time.
steve, start with writing cogent sentences
For those who think Gennaco and his report is some kind of BUFFER from liability or responsibility in some of the most BASIC decision making is laughable.
I don’t see COMPLEX issues being addressed here. So far, simple stuff that a person with reasonable experience could have, should have corrected.
Many cities in this country who have faced scandals, did just the opposite of what we have seen here. Their liability for their swift actions in handling scandals, is kept to a minimum.
Again Riverside PD/City, is a fine example of how to handle internal situations. I am sure there is more to the story on all that. But from a public perception of transperancy and fixing a problem they recieve an A+, from MINUTE 1 to the end.
And there are many other cities who took a similiar approach, suffered little and have continued on WITHOUT continious public outcry.
And they didn’t need Mr.Gennaco and Warren Christopher to hold their hand to acheive that objective.
I submit they didn’t need Rusty Kennedy either. Civilians involved in assiting Law Enforcement in any matter, needs to come with some experience in LE issues itself.
If Rusty was not walking the streets of Fullerton talking with the homeless himself, would say a lot about him. I DON’T care if he has a degree on the wall of his office, or how politically savy he is.
I am sure there are cities more corrupt than Fullerton. BUT THEY didn’t want the heat, so they did what they needed to do to get the monkey off their back. AND they were successful.
Gennaco HAS NOT explained how he reached the conclusions he has. Gennaco has simply said, ” I find no intent”. He NEEDS to explain that conclusion.
He might have reached that conclusion of “no intent” because he simply believed that from the answers he received from those involved. OKAY!!
But again, Gennaco FAILS to explain ALL the comments from FPD PIO in the intials stages of this scandal. A pile of BAD information says just the opposite about INTENT.
Gennaco might want to explain how STRONG circumstantial evidence SHOULD be ignored here.
Who in God’s name, that has been in Law Enforcement for several decades wants a PRIVATE ATTORNEY coming into their office and looking at their laundry??? McKinley might, I say BS, his freakin ego wouldn’t have it.
McKinley has some of the longest overall time in the saddle than many others I’ve seen, over 40 years in Law Enforcement.
He comes from a department with decades of scandals, and should have had a Phd in AVOIDING scandals even before he came to Fullerton.
Besides his lenghty resume, education and training, HE himself should have handled most of this crap and come out smelling like a rose. Even if he was covering for his boys.
If one knows the whole story of Rodney King and the Rampart Division scandal, paid attention to all that, most of this stuff in Fullerton would have been avoided, or handled a lot differently than it was.
But I submit to the readers that “arrogance” and “ego” was the pervailing problem in these scandals plaguing Fullerton.
And to think Mr.Gennaco is going to help remove the “kool aid” dispensor located at City Hall is just plain funny.
So far Mr.Gennaco has not told the City that not hiring a Chief from the outside was a WISE decision. I can’t WAIT for his theory on all that.
We will all wait to see how much the Gennaco report help everyone involved in this down the road.
The issue that FPD can’t look for Chief from the outside pending a Gennaco report is BASELESS.
In fact many might say THAT is a start in the right direction
ACU, you shouldn’t care if Rusty has a degree on his wall. he got his bachelor’s degree in sociology or social justice from Johnston (Johnboy)College a now defunct appendage of U of Redlands, that top drawer university that advertises on billboards.
Typical behavior for Rusty, walk and talk and then return to his office and read the comics.
Rusty’s education and experience only makes him an excellent bureaucratic parasite who excels in flowery speeches rooted in platitudes(the Orange County Human Relations commission annual awards is a good example of this).
Rusty Kennedy and Pat McKinley have a professional relationship and this fact alone occludes Rusty kennedy’s task force on Fullerton’s homeless and his commission’s objective eye
Van, I never care if anyone has a degree on their wall actually.
But thanks for the more detailed explanation.
but then this is my opinion
Just get over it ACU, Gennaco has not found any wrong doing and will not find any wrong doing. There is nothing there. FPD just wanted to show you FFFFer’s, and they have,
Personally, I NEVER expected anything of value to come out of Gennaco’s report. Does the name Mitrice Richardson ring a bell?? Gennaco’s report on that case was also extremely underwhelming.
yes, poor Mitrice one of our own , an alumnae of CSU Fullerton who was shabbily treated by L.A. Sheriffs department. Mitrice was a person who slipped into psychosis the last night of her life and needed hospitalization until she could be returned to sanity or returned to her family to care for her. The deputies who arrested her easily could have put her on a 5150 an involuntary hold and had her admitted to a psychiatric hospital. If they had taken the time to do this simple process, Mitrice would be alive, today.
If fullerton police had gotten better directions from better leadership at thier department, Kelly thomas could have been “penciled in” into psychiatric care and he would be alive today.
I directly blame the leadership at fullerton PD, especiallt our town’s very own bedroom city commando Pat McKinley for leading our police department away from its function to protect and serve the public into an adversarial entity that saw the good community of fullerton only in terms of us(FPD) and them(Fullerton community).
I followed that story from the beginning. They, the LASD, could have easily helped her, but they CHOSE not to. Imagine letting her walk out in the middle of the night, in complete darkness (no lights in that area), with no car, wallet or phone. Now she’s dead.
Oh yeah they followed policy, but it was morally reprehensible that they did nothing.
Yes those that hug their policies think they get a pass in civil court. NOT!!!!
LASD did not follow policy. Anyone who is in a state of psychosis, like Mitrice was the night she was arrested by LASD, is gravely disabled, unable to make safe decisions and thus puts their well-being and their life in jeopardy, and needs to be hospitalized tp protect themselves from walking in front of traffic, wandering into dangerous wilderness and so on.
The LASD either did not know they could 5150 Mitrice or did not want to be bothered with this procedure, and she died as a result of their actions
Van. If every person cited out for petty theft is 5150’d there would be more people 5150’d than in jail.
The Mitrice incident happens everyday across the nation hundreds of times a day. Unfortunate result here, but the cops can’t help every thief with money and phone calls and personal escorts home.
the average petty thief is not psychotic . Conversely, Mitrice was not a petty thief, she was so psychotic she was wandering around Malibu without money, hungry and rambling about extraterrestials. she came to the attention of LASD when she ordered a meal at a Malibu upscale restaurant and had no means to pay for this meal, the restaurant called the police and recognized she was far from coherent .
@Don’t Steal, Mitrice had recently been exhibiting extremely unusual and bizarre behavior; however, a field sobriety test showed that Mitrice was SOBER. Mitrice’s mother, Latice, was told by the deputy that Mitrice would be safe at the station; however, as it turns out, they let Mitrice leave the station at 12:15 am, in the dark, no car, no money, no phone, in completely unfamiliar territory. When Mitrice’s mother called again at 5:35 am, she was told that Mitrice was no longer there.
“… Brower says he was instructed to administer a field sobriety test. Brower checked Mitrice’s eyes and pulse—she was sober.”
Mitrice’s Civic was impounded. She was sitting in the back of a squad car when her mother, Latice, called the Lost Hills station. Located 25 minutes from Geoffrey’s in a patch of suburbia near Agoura Hills, it’s the same facility where Mel Gibson was taken in 2006 after his drunk driving arrest and later given a ride to his car by deputies. Latice reasoned that if Mitrice was going to be locked up all night, she may as well let her other daughter, ten-year-old Miiah, sleep rather than schlep her to the station to wait till sunrise. And besides, she thought, a night in jail might be a dose of tough love, a chance for
Mitrice to think about her life. The deputy on the phone assured Latice that Mitrice would be safe at the station. “I think the only way I will come and get her tonight is if you guys are going to release her tonight,” Latice said. “She definitely…she’s not from that area, and I would hate to wake up to a morning report, ‘Girl lost somewhere with her head chopped off.’ ”
“Cummings (the jailer) knew Mitrice’s car was in the impound yard and that nobody was coming to pick her up. She also knew that Mitrice had no personal items besides her license and two keys that were in her pocket. Cummings has maintained that Mitrice declined an offer to stay in the lobby and said she was going to meet friends. The jailer released Mitrice at 12:15 a.m. on a Thursday—40 miles from home with no cell phone, no money, and no transportation. The closest open businesses are a mile away, out of view from the station, with nothing in between except empty sidewalks and commercial buildings that shut down at night.”
@Don’t Steal, if more people were truly helped by getting them appropriate and timely mental health/medical care, then our prison systems would NOT be full of the mentally ill people who need treatment.
I’m definitely OK, in fact I would be THRILLED with having, as you stated, “..more people 5150’d than in jail.” It might take you a little more time to write out your report, or more time to have to transport to a psychiatric hospital; however, having someone 5150’d would SAVE HUNDREDS of LIVES every year. Our jails and prisons have become our new mental institutions, where very sick people are warehoused without proper treatment and care.
You stated that, “The Mitrice incident happens everyday accross the nation hundreds of times a day…” It sounds to me like you are making excuses and justifying the fact that sick, and mentally ill people who come in contact with law enforcement end up missing and dead every day.
Isn’t it strange how people who need help the very most, almost always seem to end up even WORSE off, BEATEN UP, TASERED, ABUSED, and even DEAD, after having contact with our finest in blue, who have SWORN to serve and protect? It always seems that a mentally ill person is in MUCH MORE danger when in law enforcement custody, or during any law enforcement contact.
oops, sorry, I wrote #215, not “Anonymous”
@Don’t Steal, you stated above, “…but the cops can’t help every thief with money and phone calls and personal escorts home.”
Now, consider this excerpt from the article:
“Mitrice’s Civic was impounded. She was sitting in the back of a squad car when her mother, Latice, called the Lost Hills station. Located 25 minutes from Geoffrey’s in a patch of suburbia near Agoura Hills, it’s the same facility where Mel Gibson was taken in 2006 after his drunk driving arrest and later given a ride to his car by deputies.”
So, why is it that deputies were capable of helping a movie star, but not capable of helping Mitrice? Don’t you think that Mel Gibson could have called a friend, or a cab? Poor Mitrice did NOT have any money, no cell phone, was 40 miles away from home, and the jailer KNEW that no one was coming to pick Mitrice up until morning, and that Mitrice was mentally unstable.
And then, they engaged in a cover up, refusing to even admit that there was a tape for several months, (which they edited, and refused to provide the un-edited version). In fact, Captain Martin LIED, “There is no video or tape of any kind,” he was quoted as saying in the Malibu Surfside News.
I believe that the Thick Blue Line of silence and solidarity is very much alive and well in Malibu, just as it is in Fullerton. And, it seems that they are VERY SELECTIVE about whom they deem worthy of their time, help and assistance.
And they did follow policy. They do the same thing now that they did then. So does the PD in the city you live in.
Well those policies whatever they are, are dangerous. Common sense would tell anyone with half of a brain, that she needed help.
If the policy is to deny and hide video tapes, then yes, you’re correct. They did follow that policy to a “T”.
oops, sorry, I wrote this comment.
Mitrice disappeared in the middle of September 2009. Captain Martin would NOT even admit that there was a video until January 6, 2010. It was in his desk drawer!!! In fact, Captain Martin had LIED to the family and told them that a jail cell video DID NOT EXIST.
Excerpt from the article:
“In the meantime, sheriff’s department and LAPD personnel chased false leads from Beverly Hills to Chino Hills. Hoping to gain some insight into Mitrice’s behavior at the station, the family tried to acquire the jail cell video from the night of the arrest; to their surprise, Captain Martin told them it didn’t exist.
“There is no video or tape of any kind,” he was quoted as saying in the Malibu Surfside News. But on January 6, 2010, when Latice, Mitrice’s aunt Lauren, and two friends sat down with Martin and Sheriff Baca at LASD headquarters in Monterey Park, Martin confessed that there was indeed a video. It was in his desk drawer. By the end of the month, Martin—a 34-year LASD veteran who lived minutes from the station he’d led for six years—was promoted to commander and transferred to Monterey Park, more than an hour away. He was replaced by Captain Joseph Stephen, the first African American to run the Lost Hills facility.
Don’t Steal, So what you’re saying it is every police departments policy to lie? Nice! Thanks for the confirmation..
Here is ane excerpt from the article:
“Hoping to gain some insight into Mitrice’s behavior at the station, the family tried to acquire the jail cell video from the night of the arrest; to their surprise, Captain Martin told them it didn’t exist. “There is no video or tape of any kind,” he was quoted as saying in the Malibu Surfside News. But on January 6, 2010, when Latice, Mitrice’s aunt Lauren, and two friends sat down with Martin and Sheriff Baca at LASD headquarters in Monterey Park, Martin confessed that there was indeed a video. It was in his desk drawer. By the end of the month, Martin—a 34-year LASD veteran who lived minutes from the station he’d led for six years—was promoted to commander and transferred to Monterey Park, more than an hour away. He was replaced by Captain Joseph Stephen, the first African American to run the Lost Hills facility.
Three months would pass before Mitrice’s family was allowed to view the footage at LASD headquarters. (The department attributed the delay to technical difficulties.) Latice says her daughter appeared agitated and distressed. However, the video had been edited, leaving the family to wonder what had been cut out. For instance, one moment Mitrice is holding a piece of paper, according to those permitted to see the tape; in the next the paper appears on the floor, crumpled. “Why won’t they show us how that piece of paper got that way?” asks Latice. “When they withhold information, it causes suspicion. Did they cut important footage?” Though the sheriff’s department may simply have condensed the video for an outside audience, it refuses to clarify why the footage was truncated and has not provided the unedited version.”
Those Malibu deputies have a bad reputation. They are bad to the bone.
Another excerpt from the article about Mitrice Richardson:
The LASD declined to elaborate on another detail that has rattled Mitrice’s family even further: About two minutes after Mitrice is seen exiting the station, a deputy goes out an adjacent door. “It was shocking,” Latice tells me. “For the first time we learned that someone from LASD might have seen or even talked to Mitrice outside the station. We thought it was vital that someone look into it.” The department wouldn’t reveal the name of the deputy, and its lack of transparency has only fueled the family’s distrust. “Of course it makes me suspicious,” says Michael, a six-foot-one-inch-tall, 335-pound self-proclaimed hothead with a tattoo of Mitrice on his forearm. “The guy leaves the building right after my daughter, and they don’t tell us anything about him? He could have abducted her, offered her a ride to the impound lot, left her for dead and come back for her. Maybe he didn’t see her. The point is, Why have they been hiding him? It’s their job to get off their doughnut-eatin’ asses and find the truth.”
A confidential source provided me the name of the deputy in the video, who’d been transferred less than six months after Mitrice’s family viewed the footage. When I called the deputy, he told me, “Unfortunately for you, dude, I wasn’t there,” and hung up. On our next call he insisted that he couldn’t remember if he’d been at the station the night Mitrice was arrested, and then went on to imply that he had been on-site. “The night this nonsense happened,” he said, “I was one of the guys that kept away from this, minding my own business.”
Continued from the article:
When someone levels a serious complaint against the LASD, it’s often handled by the Office of Independent Review, a group of private contractor attorneys that reports to the county board of supervisors. Michael Gennaco was in his late forties when he was selected by the board in 2001 to head the new watchdog agency. Tall and soft-spoken, with short gray hair, Gennaco speaks with the specificity of the federal prosecutor he once was. Investigations of the LASD, he explained, are conducted by the LASD’s own Internal Affairs department. “Our bread-and-butter work,” he told me at the OIR’s offices in the City of Commerce, “is to ensure that the investigation that is done is a thorough investigation.” No Internal Affairs investigation of Mitrice’s arrest and release was ordered, however. Regardless of criticism of the sheriff’s department from the family, the public, and the press, “there really wasn’t a complaint or any allegation of violation of policy,” Gennaco told me. Instead of mandating a formal investigation, the OIR called for a “preliminary inquiry.”
On July 9, 2010, one month before rangers found Mitrice’s body, Gennaco’s office issued a confidential report to the board. The 58-page document was leaked right after Mitrice’s remains were discovered. In it the OIR declares that Mitrice’s “questionable behavior included going to a restaurant, ordering a meal, parking valet, and leaving without a means to pay” but does not acknowledge Deputy Loureiro’s alleged remark about Mitrice’s “odd statements.” Rather, the OIR determines that the Lost Hills deputies didn’t endanger Mitrice by releasing her and cites the sheriff’s manual, which states, “Misdemeanor prisoners shall be released in the field whenever it is reasonable and safe to do so.” The report excludes two California penal codes about filing missing persons reports, one of which states, “it is the duty of all law enforcement agencies to immediately assist any person who is attempting to make a report of a missing person,” and the other of which states, “…the local police or sheriff’s department shall immediately take the report and make an assessment of reasonable steps to be taken to locate the person.” The latter code, in fact, requires even more stringent measures when it comes to missing persons who have no history of disappearing, are mentally unstable, or both. The OIR document also claims that Deputy Bomgardner “explained the procedures for filing a missing person report” to Latice. Of course, according to the audio released by the department, he simply told her that if she called back in a couple of hours, “maybe we can do something for you.”
The article is quite long and very thorough. There is much, much more detail and it’s worth reading. Here is another excerpt that talks more about Genacco’s report:
“The omissions continue. The report doesn’t contain a word regarding Lieutenant Chew’s e-mail that says Deputy Loureiro felt Mitrice was acting unusual and that he was uneasy about letting her go. There’s nothing about how the jail cell video was in Captain Martin’s desk drawer for more than three months while he denied its existence. In response to suspicions voiced by Mitrice’s family about the footage, the OIR report concludes that the deputy seen leaving the building after Mitrice couldn’t have abducted her because he was on official business with his partner and because Mitrice was seen several hours later in Monte Nido, yet the passage accounts for only a few minutes of the whereabouts of the deputy and his partner on the day Mitrice disappeared.
Despite a proclamation on page six that asserts “OIR played a multifaceted role in the review of the department’s actions,” the claim is accompanied by a footnote: “OIR did not conduct any interviews of the deputies and station jailer who had actual contact with Ms. Richardson on September 16 and 17, 2009, or who were involved in her being taken into custody or released from custody.” In other words, sheriff’s personnel got to choose what they handed over to the watchdog agency.
After our first meeting, I called Gennaco and asked if he’d see me again to clarify parts of the report. “I can try and help,” he told me. “But some of it may be unclear—because it’s unclear!” He laughed. “Here’s one of the problems, of course. This was not written for the public. It was written for the board just as an update. It wasn’t intended to be particularly clear.” In our second meeting Gennaco couldn’t explain why so many details had been left out of the report that he’d approved and signed off on. He didn’t conduct the inquiry or write the document, he said. (The report’s author no longer works for the OIR; he didn’t respond to interview requests.) I mentioned the family’s concerns about the withheld video and the deputy in the footage. “Yeah, sure,” Gennaco said. Could the deputy and his partner, he continued, have “abducted Richardson on the road, taken her to a secluded area, dumped her, and then three days later taken her up to where she was eventually found? Anything’s possible. I mean, aliens coming down are possible! The mere fact that someone’s coming out the door shortly after somebody else means absolutely nothing to me! There’s no evidence that [they] didn’t do anything wrong. There’s no evidence that you didn’t!”
Gennaco is right. The deputy at the door could have been pure coincidence and might not have even seen Mitrice. But, says Latice, “I’m entitled—as is the public—to a more thorough explanation than the one they provided, especially after being told that there was no video. If you consider how many other details they left out, it looks like a whitewash that lets LASD off the hook.”
This statement, (I copied it again below), just screams out at me. IMO, the report that Gennaco did was worth ZILCH. However, I’m sure he got paid very handsomely for his coverup, worthless report.
“OIR did not conduct any interviews of the deputies and station jailer who had actual contact with Ms. Richardson on September 16 and 17, 2009, or who were involved in her being taken into custody or released from custody.” In other words, sheriff’s personnel got to choose what they handed over to the watchdog agency.”
I wonder if Genacco ever asked why LASD did not put the obviously psychotic Mitrice on an involuntary hold and have her moved to a psychiatric facility. I’ve seen this done many times by law enforcement when I worked, decades ago at a psychiatric hospital,
I wonder if Genacco ever asked why FPD chose to beat to death a a schizophrenic, homeless man instead of subduing him, placing him in handcuffs and transporting him to the jail or local psychiatric unit. did Genacco demand answers for the any of the obvious questions surrounding the murder of kelly thomas?
REALLY, you were having a dream, you just woke up.
Unfortunately for you, there is a big pile of manure that can be picked through, above and beyond this issue.
YES I am sure the DA will dismiss charges against your fellow workers, the FBI will simply go away after Mr.Gennaco gets done with his report.
NOW you really woke up.
Let’s hope another employee doesn’t get booked for anything in the immediate future.
It appears you guys are running out of corks to plug the leaking ship.
Always good to see the brainwashed sheep speaking up for the regime. YOU are an asset.
A true internet Rambo!!!!
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It seems others are not in love with Mr.Gennaco.
Read for yourself.
You would think they could get a better B.S’t artist, but he is better and less aggressive than the others.
Yes JFA. You are right.
As you know, if you analyze any cop call from top to bottom, with civilian and/or sworn, there will always be different ways to handle everything.
Reality is that as much as we all want everyone treated equally, Mel Gibson or a celebrity will always get slightly different treatment. Mel walking down the street has security issues attached to it. Yes I know it shouldn’t but it always will.
Someone like Mitrice, will always be cited and left to fend for themselves. Her type of cite release happens thousands of times a day across the US. Identical. Yes it would be nice to make sure all cite outs can fend for themselves and 5150 them all just in case but that won’t ever happen.
Yes the lying by the Captain is sad. Not sure why that was a big deal but only he knows. He’s probably a Chief somewhere now lol.
Just remember that these calls are handling identically all day everyday even today and that every call statewide would be handled differently if you or Tony or Chris or Erin or Hughes or Feliz or Goodrich all analyzed the same facts.
“Yes the lying by the Captain is sad”.. NO! He should be fired!
And charged with dereliction of duty, obstruction of justice, impeding an investigation, etc….just firing him is letting him off far too easy.
Capatain TanGreen (R.I.) stated, “As you know, if you analyze any cop call from top to bottom, with civilian and/or sworn, there will always be different ways to handle everything.” Yes, I agree that there are “different ways to handle everything.” There is The CORRECT, MORAL, COMPASSIONATE, INTELLIGENT WAY, and there is also the WRONG WAY. When you can see that someone is mentally unstable, not able to care for themselves and vulnerable, YOU DON’T let them walk out into the night alone at midnight. Especially when you know that the mother is not coming to pick that person up until morning. That is every bit as bad as letting a three year old walk outside alone in the middle of the night, with no phone, no money, and 40 miles from home. This is criminal neglect.
“Mel walking down the street has security issues attached to it.” And you DON’T think that Mitrice, who was exhibiting bizarre behavior, had “security issues?” And, you DON’T think that releasing MITRICE onto a dark, isolated street, in the middle of the night, with no money, no phone and no car, 40 miles from her home ISN’T a “security issue?” Don’t you think that Mel Gibson could afford to hire his OWN security or ride home if he really needed it? Why don’t you spend our valuable taxpayer resources to protect the MOST VULNERABLE people?? EXACTLY WHICH PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON?? Oh, I remember now, you live on the law enforcement planet of RATIONALIZATION of your “policies” which endanger citizens such as Mitrice.
“Just remember that these calls are handling identically all day everyday even today…” And, your point is WHAT exactly??? Just MORE PROOF that you live on the LE planet of DONUTS, POBAR, RATIONALIZATION, STATUS QUO and LAZY ASSES. (unless you meet a celebrity).
To your credit, you did get ONE thing correct. Your DAMN STRAIGHT that things would be handled differently if I analyzed the same facts. For starters, I wouldn’t send someone who was acting bizarrely out into the street alone at midnight, with no money, no phone, no car and 40 miles away from home, without FIRST making CERTAIN that the person was in very good hands of friends or family. If you’d stop blogging and stuffing your face with donuts for two seconds, maybe, just maybe, you could take the time to PROTECT and SERVE the public. But, I suppose that’s just too, too much to expect from our “public servants” these days.
That’s your opinion and clearly not a very popular one since policy wasn’t violated and it’s done the same way statewide everyday. If it was as criminally neglect as your surmise, it wouldn’t be done like that anymore.
Again your opinion. Maybe you can go to your local PD and help all the people that walk out of the police stations each night with a citation to make sure they get home ok?
Just making it clear that your way of thinking isn’t logical, that’s all. Yes we know you hate cops. That’s why you have far off opinions and cops do the opposite of what you suggest and recommend.
Again. You make it clear why your way of doing things isn’t ever done. You are far far from reality.
What you mean is that it’s not “a very popular one” with all of you lazy asses. It would mean that you would actually have to give a damn about people.
LOL ur kookoo.
You are very immature, and sociopathic for a “Captain.” I believe your sociopathic nature must be a very large part of the reason for your extreme arrogance in believing that all PDs statewide act with such disregard for human life.
I wish I was as immature and sociopathic as you dream. Sounds kinda fun.
Yea I wish we could all cater to the criminal element as much as you dream but people like Mitrice make adult choices in life and getting a citation after committing a crime is just one of those choices. 5150’s for every misdemeanor criminal would be nice though. With your big heart and dreams I’m sure you are already writing legislation to change the laws and also opening your own 5150 facility. I look forward to working with you in the future.
Why don’t you try READING THE ARTICLE. ALL of it. http://www.lamag.com/features/story.aspx?ID=1515070
Mitrice was acting bizarrely; she was mentally unstable. Mitrice did not deserve to die any more than Kelly Thomas deserved to die. The deputies ENDANGERED Mitrice’s life and IMO they are responsible for her death. And, the deputies seem to also have something that they wished to COVER UP. Both Mitrice and Kelly ended up DEAD. I see just a few similarities there.
You really should be much more careful about what you wish for. Part of your wish has already come true, particularly the part about how you wish you were immature and sociopathic.
I’ve read it many times. Both sides of the story. Anything is possible. Personally, I think someone she knew picked her up and killed her. Or maybe it was the deputy going out the side door? A novel for sure. Definitely has the look of Colonel Mustard but I think the candlestick is out of the question.
For someone who “has read it many times,” you seem to not be very well informed on the subject. And, you ARE VERY immature. I think it must be past your bedtime.
Maybe I’m the Captain of Internal Affairs and I investigated the incident? Remember, just because you think things should be done one way doesn’t make everyone else wrong.
The same applies to you and your GED and diploma mill Master’s degree.
If you are in fact the Captain of Internal Affairs who investigated the murder of Mitrice, then I truly believe that we citizens are all in for a LOT MORE of the same bad behavior by law enforcement. We can expect nothing different when self-excusing, thick blue line law enforcement, such as yourself, are “policing” themselves and records are hidden from the public.
You use “policy” to make excuses for the reprehensible behavior of your cronies. And you just love to let us all know that someone who eats a meal when they don’t have their checkbook or cash on hand to pay for it, (because they are mentally unstable at the time, as was Mitrice), or someone who is homeless and mentally ill and sitting on a bus bench, deserves any type of treatment that they may receive at the hands of the boys in blue while they are in custody. According to your logic, they also deserve to die when they are released from custody in a fragile and vulnerable state, onto a deserted street in the middle of the night, with no money, no cell phone, no car, and 40 miles from home.
And, if you’re NOT really “…the Captain of Internal Affairs and I investigated the incident?” as you suggested above, well, then it doesn’t really change much. You’re still the same arrogant, donut eater with way too much time on his hands. Although, additionally, you would seem to suffer from grandiose delusions.
Amen Dr JFA. Amen.
I must disabuse you of the notion that I ever claimed to be a “Dr.” I’m NOT a doctor. However, it really is heartening to me that you agree with my comment.
“I’ve read it many times. Both sides of the story. Anything is possible. Personally, I think someone she knew picked her up and killed her. Or maybe it was the deputy going out the side door? A novel for sure. Definitely has the look of Colonel Mustard but I think the candlestick is out of the question. ”
That’ cold! Patrick is that you?
Yes that’s your boy. I predict a short stay.
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