Gennaco Delivers Report Part Deux
According to The OC Register, here, the outside “independent” investigative company hired by the City to look into the actions of the cops that beat Kelly Thomas to death last July has delivered its report on the incident. Unfortunately, nobody gets to see the report authored by Mr. Michael Gennaco except Acting Chief Dan Hughes – because it relates to police personnel matters. And, as everybody knows, those matters are shrouded in a veil of impenetrable secrecy. Just the way the police unions like it.
So we are left to guess at the contents of the report and left to guess whether or not our elected officials will be able to see it. Speaking of guesses, my guess would be no, except for Pat McKinley, of course, who seems to get special privileges when it comes to sticking his nose into personnel matters regarding the dubious characters he hired as former Police Chief.
The issues here are particularly interesting given the fact of the impending trial of Mssrs. Cicinelli and Ramos for manslaughter and murder, respectively. Negative findings could have an impact on that case. If, as many anticipate, Mr. Gennaco tends to whitewash the case we can expect a comparatively speedy release of the report with some exculpitory headlines by Lou Ponsi. Gennaco’s undernourished first report was more interesting for what it left out than for what it said,
Also lurking in the back of the room is the potentially costly civil trial and possible Civil Rights charges by the Feds. So if the report indicates that the cops acted way outside policy and procedure look for a protracted release of minimal information, or no release at all.
Mardirossian and co will subpoena it. It will all come out eventually in the various civil trials, especially the one headed to Federal court. Hey candidates, when you get in office don’t settle these cases. Let them go to trial so the world can see what happens when elected officials encourage local law enforcement to run amok.
I agree!
Omalley, do the citizens of Pomona or your Chief Dave Keetle have any idea how much of the cities time and tax dollars you spend on trying to post at FFFF all day long? My bet is on “no”. 🙂
It makes no sense what so ever. Fullerton City Council is the one decided to pay Gennaco for his services so why can’t they see it? Who wants to pay for something they can’t have or see? This is just like the issue of seeing the video of the beating from the public camera. If city council are not allowed to say anything about the case (which they shouldn’t because it may jeopardize the case), then why can’t they see it? At the very least, they should be able to see Gennaco second report. Doesn’t the city council need to see this report to prepare for a civil trial as well? Or is the only the chief going to assess that as well? It is dam frustrating to figure out who is the boss here. Is it the Chief of police, city attorney, city manager or the city council?
From what I’ve observed I contend they are ALL part of the cover up. They work together to keep the truth from the citizens who pay them. Gennaco’s report wasn’t only focused on Kelly’s murder. It was a comprehensive investigation that went beyond what happened at the train station. At the very least the taxpayers should be privy to the general findings of the investigation that aren’t under review by the judicial system. Why would you trust the police department to do the right thing with the information? Have you been able to trust them with anything up to this point? This entire process is so bizarre. Don’t listen to what your councilman and woman say about this. Watch what they do! If they do nothing to pressure Hughes to turn over the information then IMO all of them are in on it!
Simple, to answer your first question: its a personnel matter. Not even McKinley should see it. If he was smarter than he seems — he’d refuse to read it before the rest of the Council sees it.
IMO:It doesn’t matter what is in the Gennaco report as for as the DOJ Civil Rights Group is concerned.
They have their own investigative procedures and scoring system. If there happens to be a large variation in the recommendations, based on actual findings, the Gennaco report would be tainted in finality.
The DOJ would proceed based on their findings…
The DOJ issues Directives
Gennaco delivers Reports
Lets hope the DOJ report kicks some ass. Sounds like that’s what will get things moving in the right direction.
They can see the report and will. The names of the officers will be blacked out and not known. POBAR. People can subpoena all they want but it won’t be granted. Only under a pitchess request but that’s only in a criminal trial and isn’t granted very often. The Feds are long gone and the civil case will be settled.
You think citizens wont be able to deduce who the officer’s are from a redacted report? Damn, you must be new to this internet thingy…
Pitchess motions may not be granted for lower level cases — but if a defense atty has the balls and is first-tier criminal defense atty or the case is important — they’ll get it.
So let me see if I understand this correctly. The good citizens of Fullerton paid Gennaco some mighty fine coin to bring them information about the corruption, malfeasance and miscellaneous underhanded shenanigans taking place in your police department. And once Gennaco delivers the goods Chief Hughes hides it from you? If he can’t release the names – why not release the wrongdoings? There is nothing stopping him from that. You paid for it and now he keeps it and refuses to give it up. If Gennaco reported positive information and commended said officers for outstanding duty – do you think Chief Hughes would hide that from you? Of course not. It would be in 5″ print on the front of the OC Register. So nothing has really changed, has it? We’re back to business as usual. Why are you good citizens taking this lying down? You get what you tolerate.
btw, is your friend Chris Thompson still praising Chief Hughes? Just curious.
Kelly was murdered by agents of the state. He was tried convicted and executed in the gutter before he was tried or convicted of any crime. Anyone who cares to cover up for or esteem this kind of behavior will have some answering to do to the One who has placed 75,000 miles of circulatory system in their body when the electro-chemical processes that magically run the heart cease someday. That day will come for ALL of us and nobody can escape it. You can call it what you want, say what you want and pay people to say what you want them to say but you aren’t kidding anyone. Kelly was murdered and I have not seen any repentance. May I remind all involved that there is no forgiveness without repentance and that it is never too late to do the right thing.
Most of these mongrols don’t believe in the afterlife – if they did they wouldn’t do what they do. They do whatever they think that they can get away with on earth and escape consequence. You don’t know how they think.
Sadly I do know how they think and that is why I extend the olive branch dipped in logic.Deep in their hearts and minds, buried behind the darkness, they know as they were wired to know but they choose to ignore it. There is only so much filth they can imbibe to hide from themselves from their conscience and it doesn’t work for very long. It takes an awful lot to sear the conscience. I pity the fools and hope they will change.
Meet candidates
http://www.ocregister.com/news/candidates-352016-fullerton-incumbents.html
24-year-old student at UCSD was arrested by the DEA in an ecstasy raid and forgotten in his cell for five days without food or water, where he almost died of kidney failure, before a DEA employee happened to discover the man by chance after hearing strange noises coming from the holding cells.
Once the authorities discovered the student was still in the cell, they decided to contact emergency medical services immediately.
The detained student told authorities that he discovered a while powdery substance while forgotten in the holding cell. He took the substance which later testing revealed was methamphetamine.
Sources close to the student have indicated that he nearly died of kidney failure, attributed to dehydration, while being treated at Sharp HealthCare.
Gretchen Von Helms, a San Diego defense attorney, has said that the victim could receive millions of dollars if he chooses to file a lawsuit. She was quoted by NBC 7 San Diego having said:
“In all my years of practice I’ve never heard of the DEA or any Federal government employee simply forgetting about someone that they have in their care. There has to be repercussions if people do not follow the safety and the care when they have a human being in their custody.”
Yeah, and they say marijuana causes short term memory loss. But I’ve never heard of any stoners forgetting they locked someone in a cage for 4 days.
Not only that, how many marijuana users have you heard about going to bars and brawling? Then getting into their cars and driving home and crashing on the way? NONE
Alcohol is legal not because it is safe but rather because its large scale production is difficult and requires rudimentary chemistry skills to produce a safe product and therefore can be easily TAXED. Pot is illegal not because it is dangerous but rather is it all to easy to propagate and produce thus avoiding taxation. This creates the artificially high demand and price which benefits you know who that is really running the drug trade at the top. More importantly in addition it is extremely useful in creating fodder for the criminal justice system. Overall violent crime is down nationwide but you wont see any layoffs, police stations, jails or courthouses for sale. They just fill them up with low level drug petty offenders who do stupid things, don’t know their rights and get the book thrown at them. Most crimes are now crimes against the state and administrative actions. These unfortunate individuals have become the new chattel property of the criminal justice system. While being bled dry financially these unfortunate people support the industry of highly paid and well pensioned individuals. Decriminalization at the State level while not at the Federal level has created a very precarious situation and a dangerous perception that immunity from prosecution exists. Selective enforcement will not stop until they make us all criminals which by the very definition most everyone now qualifies. Do not look for any rational action in this area anytime soon. Prohibition selectively enforced is remarkably good for their business all the while the law abiding are not.
On a national basis the drug offenses are still bread and butter to LE. You will not see the buildings shuttered but rather filled with a different breed of occupants the likes of which in large part do not belong incarcerated. The cuts are on paper attrition and the like. No layoffs just no OT. Business as usual for you butfor the public they are all the more wantonly gazed upon as criminal.
People haven’t done time for dope offenses in years. Now people barely do a day for misdemeanor crimes. Felonies get a year now for most which they do 30% max on. I see what you are saying but dope crimes are nothing anymore. PDs just want the big money from the seizures. That’s lucrative.
There are fines, bail, classes, probation, counseling, social services, psycs all feeding off of the petty drug offenses. The court house is a black hole.
The purpose of the drug war is multi-fold: Full-employment plan for public safety; asset seizures from the violators to fund government programs; to help finance the banking industry via laundering; a backdoor method of confiscating civil liberties and providing jobs to unskilled labor in return for cartel lobbyist contributions.
You would be shocked to learn how much the Fed government seizes just from marijuana traffikers. And the assets are generally divided up with the local agencies who participate in the busts. Cash, homes, boats, cars, jewelry, gold, etc…. A very lucrative business.
It’s a billion dollar industry. Why would they give that up through regulation?
Look at it from their point of view.
Good analysis. Don’t forget big pharma who don’t want homegrown competition and big alcohol who don’t either.
And dont’ forget intelligence agencies (CIA, Pakistan’s ISI etc.) who use drug proxies to fight wars and do covert ops. US goes into Southeast Asia – suddenly they’re the world’s biggest heroin distributors. US goes into Afghanistan, hmm, now they are. (Not the Taliban, former CIA-asset President Karzai’s brother that is). US goes into Colombia, paramilitaries take over the drug trade while State Dept. and the Pentagon blame FARC and parlay that into fat contracts for Lockheed helicopters, Blackwater pilots and Monsanto heavy-duty roundup to spray on coca fields and kill poor farmers’ kids. And this is just the tip of the iceberg, the well-documented stuff.
The money laundering is huge. In 2008 some banks stayed afloat just because of the infusions of liquid cash from drug money.
another US government sponsored enterprise, nice to know US promotes capitalism in our drug wars and practices socialism in our foreign policies and aid
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It should read “Destruction of the Fabric of Society” both probably apply.
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Jt nailed it in #1.
Reality Is has another wish in #5. :0)
What was #5 referring to? Something that got deleted?
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THEY KNOW NOW
Did you see the dumbass LA councilman who wants new laws for skateboarders? To hell with rapists and murderers, let’s write tickets to the 13-year olds without a helmet!
In addition it provides an end run around civil liberties protection as well as creating the slave labor inmate force driving down wages-
All of what you guys are saying, plus the excuse to put an incredible number of African American poor into jails and play that for votes from the Bubbas, The new Jim Crow.
In addition? Didn’t you read this?:
“a backdoor method of confiscating civil liberties”
Last I heard inmates were paying street prices for an 8-ball in the slammer. The intelligensia can’t even keep it out of the jails.
Just understand why the system is designed the way it is. If you know that you are way ahead of the curve.
Jail dope is a huge industry. Jailers, deputies, lawyers, and visitors getting caught daily sneaking dope in for thousands in return.
Stupid is as stupid does. Anyone who trusts a jail inmate should be forced to live with them for a long time.
Greed. Everyone wants to make a few extra bucks and they think they will never get caught. Leads to more greed. Then busted.
No. Stupidity trumps greed in this case. Greed is epidemic in this society. Stupidity is everywhere but it’s not as prevalent as greed. Only a very stupid man or woman would sneak dope into a jail and sell it to an inmate. There stupidity overrides greed by a large, large margin. And when someone in authority does it who makes a good living and not only risks his job but his very freedom – it goes way way beyond stupid. They are classic knuckledraggers.
Lol nuckledraggers. That’s hot.
“Keyboarddragger=RI 🙂 HOTTER!
Not inmate labor cause they do no time. Prolly helps with community service though and freeway crews, tree farms, etc.
Drugs were a big part of the Cold War, it was publically known that both Russia and the USA extensively promoted and facilitated the export and importation of Drugs to not only the opposing Countries.
The Drugs were not the intended action but facilitated, “Destruction of the SOCIETIES MORAL FIBER!!”
Then thus we now have MC SATAN, the 4 MIDDLE FINGERS, RI, FPD Gestapo Crew, John and Ken, International News in Fullerton.
“Psychochemical weapons, also known as drug weapons, are psychopharmacological agents used within the context of military aggression. They fall within the range of mid-spectrum agents, i.e. an intermediate range between chemical weapons and biological weapons. Drug weapons are typically considered non-lethal weapons.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychochemical_weapon
I believe many are right when they say, local and other officials are really after easy, lucrative arrests. Americas quiet Human Rights Violations are by the Corrections Depts. America is about 4% of the Worlds population but has 25% of the worlds incarcerated population.
National Unions are attacking private industry, in recent news there was something quietly passed that would speed up votes for unionization.
The Public Union victims need to be saved, (Police, Fire, Government Workers), Citys and area Governments dont pay and have no Pensions or Health Benefits as they are going completely broke, relying on the Federal Handouts with PROVISIONS, planned by Narcissistic centeralized control freaks, who take blame for nothing.
Blush. 🙂
I really feel sorry for the good citizens of Fullerton and how they’re getting bamboozled by their city government. Most of them are hardworking people who just don’t understand the severity of this situation. They work hard to shelter, feed and clothe their kids and hope someday they have the wherewithal to retire and put their kids through college. And then the ones who are supposed to exhibit the epitome of integrity and honor make a mockery of the system. It’s shameful. Now the very information that shines the light of truth on the scoundrels – the information that the citizens themselved paid top dollar for is being buried by the ones who have been incredibly deceitful and evasive throughout this entire one-star movie with bad actors. Is nothing sacred anymore? Not even the public trust? And in the end I suspect that Kelly will not get his due justice either. As a guy back in the 22nd row it seems clear to me that the DA overcharged one culprit – undercharged the other – and let everyone else go. I believe that will have huge ramifications as we move forward on this case. All you can really hope for is justice from the feds. And if they turn their backs on you – it’s time to move out of Dodge. I wish you luck. But if I were a betting man I would double down that the victims get hosed here again.
“independent” investigative company” bought by Fullerton’s city council that prior to this investigation obfuscated evidence in the murder of Kelly Thomas by Fullerton PD will not have an objective eye but an occluded eye seeing culpability between Pat McKinley’s special ops force, fullerton PD, city council persons Jones, Bankhead and the murder of Kelly Thomas
because, they want us to think they are doin something…they really dot want to, and as for Independent Review, that is a joke-
Gennaco is a small but still expensive version of, “IF PEOPLE KNEW WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS DOING THEY WOULDNT SLEEP WORLD”
Taxpayers should not be on the hook for out-of-control-cops. If the pay scale of rogue cops were adjusted to reflect the risk they present to the City / County they are employed by, believe me, this crap would stop fast. Its real simple, folks.
Amen.