The Joyride from Hell: Another Victim of Fullerton Police Violence Comes Forward

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The systemic pattern of abuse that defines the Fullerton Police Department is well-established.  But the allegations detailed in this newly emerging case might give even hardened FFFF readers pause. There seems to be no end to accounts of thuggish, sadistic Fullerton cops getting their sick jollies by brutalizing innocent citizens.

Fullerton College student and Fullerton resident Christopher Spicer Janku, 23 at the time, was with 4 friends around 1:30 AM on the night of August 17, 2008 when the car one of them was driving was pulled over for purportedly running a stop sign on Wilshire Avenue, in Downtown Fullerton.  Chris tells his story:

All rookie looking officers who were looking for fun, I’ve never heard so much rude language from any cop. They arrested me on false charges of being drunk in public, (even though they wouldn’t give me a sobriety test even after I asked them to give me one because they knew I wasn’t intoxicated). I was sitting on the curb with my hands behind my back, a cop came over to put hand cuffs on me, he told me to put my hands behind my back, but they already were.  Before I could even say “officer my hands are already crossed behind my back” the officer grabbed my neck and slammed my face into the curb while yelling out “stop resisting!”  Another officer grabbed me by the legs and dragged me by the knees, shredding my knee caps.

There were five officers at the scene. The gangleader and arresting office was one Officer Perry Thayer.  Janku goes on to describe his torture at the hands of this dedicated public servant:

Another officer then TOOK HIS BOOT and slammed it on my head, pinning it between the curb and used it as leverage to squeeze pressure on my head. I HONESTLY THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO DIE, I WAS SCREAMING PLEASE STOP I’M NOT RESISTING, I THOUGHT MY HEAD WAS GOING TO CAVE IN. I still have migraines to this day. another cop came over and dropped kneed me in the back. Everybody watching was in awe, THEY KEPT YELLING OUT “PLEASE STOP, HE’S NOT RESISTING!”

He (Thayer) was the one who slammed me face first into a curb and then put my head in the gutter face first with his boot on my head.  He purposely put my face into a gutter full of disgusting dirty gutter water to the point where I was almost choking on it, and pushed down on my head to the point where my head almost caved it and I was screaming for my life. If you look at my mug shot, there is nothing but dirty, muddy gutter water and blood all over my face.

Next, our helpful Bobbies – Officer Thayer and his partner Officer Anthony Diaz – took Janku on a joyride from hell. Chris explains:

They put me in the squad car without seatbelting me in and went on a joy ride while blaring satanic heavy metal music in my ear until my eardrums almost exploded.  Around 6-7 times they would hit the gas and then slam on the brakes, so that I was forced to keep cracking my face on the cage.

FFFF readers will recall that although clearly unconstitutional, this is a common FPD procedure, informally known as a “screen test.” Spicer remembers seeing the car pass the Police station, and asked the cops where they were taking him. Their response:  “Shut the F up.”  After the brake-checks:

I came to the department and automatically filed a complaint about the brutality. They put me in a jail cell bleeding from my head down to my feet and bruised and battered WITHOUT EVEN GIVING ME MEDICAL AID.

Janku was unable to figure out what exactly had set Thayer off.  Maybe when he asked Thayer to not thumb through the photos on his cell phone?  Or perhaps this cretinous goon needs no excuse to assault, batter, and violate the civil rights of the taxpayers who pay his ample salary?  Janku’s friend was arrested as well, for simply asking for his ID back from the cops who had taken and failed to return it.

As for the police brutality complaint?   A complete and total stonewall.  The detective in charge deliberately misinterpreted the clear audio recording of Janku’s friends yelling “he’s not resisting!” and asked him “why were you resisting?”  He also had the temerity to ask Janku why he had blood and mud all over his face.

After checking regularly for months and getting no response, Janku was told recently that he had better contact an attorney.  Of course, this is after the statute of limitations had run out and a lawsuit is impossible.  What is Janku left with, besides the bruises and migraines?  Just the awful memories:

I’ve been afraid to go outside my house ever since, I have nightmares and panic attacks from the injustice.

Janku adds that he is unwilling to go to downtown Fullerton since the incident, and one of his friends there that evening is so terrified he refuses to set foot in Fullerton, period.  Way to help out our local economy, coppers!

#66 Perry Thayer

Unlike the marginally more fortunate Veth Mam and Edward Quinonez, Janku is unable to sue the City and make them pay for their abuses.  And Officer Thayer?  Why, he went on to win the coveted Turkey Bowl police football championship along with his buds – the noted false arrest/perjury specialists Kenton Hampton and Frank Nguyen, of Veth Mam lawsuit fame.

Just another night of death-metal mayhem, beating, torture, false arrest, and random abuse of the public by Fullerton’s Finest. No pattern to see here, folks. Move along, now. No need for that department-wide Department of Justice investigation of police brutality and misconduct.  Keep moving.

Oh, and yeah, let’s be careful out there.

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188 thoughts on “The Joyride from Hell: Another Victim of Fullerton Police Violence Comes Forward

    1. The Sky 9 guy is under the naive assumption that if the suspect is getting pounded around when he gets out of the vehicle, he must be resisting. Those assumptions aren’t automatic anymore thanks to FPD.

    2. actually I found this clip-but it doesnt matter as long as these overzealous, hyped up, knuckle draggers are seen at work

    3. FFFF you guys ate morons! You just keep making more and more stories up! Its funny how bushala cried like a birch on one of the blogs when they wrote about his train depot debacle! The best part about you idiots is that you pointed out the wrong guy in your picture! Morons! Way to get your facts straight as always!! Haha

    1. So why can’t he sue for violation of his civil rights. The statute of limitations is very long or non existent. Heck they just put away some sheriff in the South for conspiracy on his actions in the 60″s…..

  1. Lovely, another long time Fullerton resident and current FPD officer (Diaz). Definitely does NOT sound like the person I knew in high school. What the hell are they teaching these young guys when they come in as rookies!?!?!?

    1. Kw your an idiot! Diaz has never lived in Fullerton and doesn’t to this day! Way to piston something you have no idea about!

  2. The cat’s out of the bag big time, thanks to FFFF. Fullerton is a dangerous, dysfunctional little city, and it will take years to repair — if this is even possible.

    We stopped for coffee at a Fullerton Starbucks a couple Sundays ago, and it felt a little weird. My girlfriend noted how empty the streets were on such a beautiful SoCal Sunday afternoon. Maybe, maybe not; but the truth is the spirit of the city has been smashed and damaged by the FPD and local government, and the world is coming to know it.

    I’ve never been much for silver lining-isms, but maybe — just maybe — Kelly’s murder and subsequent revealed police and political scandals will help shine some light on dirty politicians and psycho killer cops in similar small cities across the country. I certainly hope so.

  3. This will be brought up at the next city council meeting for sure. I can’t wait to see Hamilton and Huge’s face when this story of their officers is told to the wonderful residents of Fullerton via live TV and video..

  4. If this is true and I personally don’t doubt it in light of all of the horrible developments, this story really needs to be given some wheels. Freaky stuff. Pretty telling as it reveals where their energy is coming from. Sounds like the FPD night crew drove right out of “night gallery”.

    1. A civilian complaint was filed. No charges were filed and Janku’s arrest was retroactively changed to a “detain”. He has never been told the outcome of the investigation of his complaint.

      Mr. Gennaco?

      1. The Fullertonista, welcome to the FFFF blog pen,and great flagship post! Looking forward to reading and learning more from you in the future.

    1. Yes, but imagine what would happen if you tried to defend yourself against this kind of brutal attack under the guise of “resisting arrest.” You could end up dead the way Kelly Thomas did. He died and he actually wasn’t physically defending himself, just trying to get away from the beating, tasing, and not being able to breathe.

      1. It’s hard to prove. A drunk guy saying it happened is all the person usually has. This case is from a drunk guy 3 years ago.

        1. The victim is claiming:
          That he wasn’t drunk, that he requested a sobriety test be administered and he was not given one, and that he was severely beaten at the location of the stop, and then further abused in the police vehicle.

          Got any evidence to disprove any of that?

          1. Not yet. Just heard about it.

            JT. Let’s just say we have this guy claiming one thing and the officer claiming another. In the end, that’s all anyone has to look at.

            What now? What would you do? This is what happens often in police complaints. Just wondering what your thoughts are knowing how most complaints occur.

            Also, I’ve arrested probably over 100 people for drunk in public. I’ve done a quick field sobriety test on maybe two of them. Had one blow. That’s it. Tests aren’t common for drunk in public arrests. If a drunk demands one, he won’t get one for sure. Drunks demand the world. That’s usually what got them put in jail.

            1. Orange County LE incompetence may be the norm in Orange County but not everywhere. I believe you, however, that’s how it is done there but will again point out that just because incompetence is what Reality is in Fullerton and other California towns does not mean that it is the norm or the reality elsewhere.

              1. Even the NFL can’t agree on it all after they thought they did. They spend huge dollars on it too.

                NEW YORK (AP) — The players’ union has told the NFL to hold off collecting blood for HGH testing, and the league isn’t happy about it.
                “We informed the NFL (Tuesday) that absent a collective agreement on several critical issues, blood collection is not ready to be implemented on Monday,” the NFL Players Association said in a statement released Wednesday. “We have advised the players.”
                The league was preparing to draw the blood samples beginning Monday, although full testing for HGH was not yet scheduled.
                “We are disappointed in the union’s response,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said. “It is contrary to the terms of the CBA and the agreements reached last Friday with the chairman and ranking member of the House Government Reform Committee.
                “We are ready to begin educating players on the testing program and collecting samples. This approach was put forward by Congressmen Issa and Cummings,” he added, referring to California Rep. Darrell Issa and Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings, “It is well-reasoned and balances the need to ensure immediate deterrence with the union’s desire for further review and education. We know of no reason why these initial steps should not begin next week, and none has been identified by the union.”
                The NFL and the players agreed to begin blood testing for HGH as part of their new collective bargaining agreement reached in late July – but only if the union agreed to the methods. The union has delayed implementing the test, asking for more scientific data to prove it is reliable.
                One of the key items the NFLPA is seeking is a population study of the test – the data from the athletes who were used to originally set thresholds as to what constitutes a positive test. The union wants to compare that data to a population study on football players; the union believes players could have naturally higher HGH levels above those of other athletes.
                “I am all for it, as long as it’s a test that can be regulated and proved to be very accurate,” Packers quarterback and Super Bowl MVP Aaron Rodgers said. “So until we get some information and data that we’re very confident in, I don’t know that there’s going to be anything in the immediate future. I think it’d be great to even the playing field for the rest of the league.”
                Earlier this month, nearly two dozen scientists and lab directors from around the world signed a letter sent to the NFL and the union stating the current test for HGH is safe, scientifically reliable and appropriate for use in professional sports leagues.
                The letter, obtained by The Associated Press, was dated Oct. 3 and sent to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and union Executive Director DeMaurice Smith.
                Copyright 2011 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

                Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/10/19/hgh.ap/index.html#ixzz1bKJs3BE4

    1. It took our own local cops (not FPD) 20 minutes to bring a purse snatcher 6 blocks to the station. By then, he had to be carried into the station. The on-duty supervisor asked what the story was then kicked the perp in the face as he lay there. A friend, who was on his first day on the job, was in the station at the time. He was so shook up he called out the next day. Within a month, he was helping carry the unconsious arrestees into the station.

  5. I know a guy picked up for DUI in Santa Ana. The recieving cops would blare the radio on different music when a certain ethnicity was brought in. Heavy metal music for white guys, salsa for mexicans, rap for black etc. They started talking to him in Spanish and he told them he wasnt Mexican (he used an explative) after they booked him and on the way to the cell he got “worked” in the hallway where cameras did not pick it up. Gut and kidney blows, they told him it was payback for swearing at an officer and to keep his mouth shut. The guy gets the shakes when he tells the story. This crap goes on everywhere.

  6. To all out there, if you have ever been beaten up, or had any excessive use of force against you by an officer, you have a limited time in which to act upon it. After the statutes pass, you are out of luck.
    I know too many people out there who, after said event, say” I’ll file next week”. well, next week turns into next year, and so on. Also, if you are going to pursue any legal actions against any officer, be prepared to have numerous patrol cars pass your residence, as this is a common intimidation practice.

    1. To be clear, we are to report abuse to the same officers that beat us up? How do we ensure the police dept actually ‘file’ a report? I think some people have no choice but take the licks and run, complaining to the same dept sets you up for future abuse and an ignored complaint.

      1. Yep. Same department, not the same officer. Walk back in to the desk of the jail you just walked out of and fill out the form.

    2. 9c1copcar,
      I personally know Christopher, who this the young man that happened to, and he’s the type of kid who has taken it upon himself to watch over his mother and Grandmother here in Fullerton.
      He is the absolute last person that would ever be disrespectful to anyone, and really a very nice kid who should be awarded a metal for staying home and providing for his mother and Grandmother.
      Christopher tried to resolve this locally and responsibly by going into the Fullerton PD and filing and following up on his original complaint, however the commanders kept stalling him and stonewaling him, and saying they needed just one more thing and then they could proceed with the investigation.
      The truly sad part is that even after this truly nice person was put through the ringer and made to relive a night staright out of “Pulp Fiction”, he still believed that the system wasn’t gaming him and that he was doing the “right thing” by following up and staying with the complaint process so others wouldn’t have to relive the nightmares that he’s endured since all this happened.

      1. Well Janku, your complaint may have been shelved by FPD, but you have now been heard by the people and something will be done about this. McKinley doesn’t like review boards and wants Hamilton to continue handling these kinds of criminal abuses. No thanks. Hamilton has had years to stand up and make a difference regarding police abuse but has not distinguished himself. Hence, that power will be removed from FPD soon. They have proven they are not worthy of that trust.

    3. I really think that most of the people that have issues are from drunks. Then the next day they really don’t know what actually happened and didn’t happen. They try to file a complaint not even knowing what exactly happened, just that they got beat up. So it all goes back and forth with statements that don’t match from the start to finish. With no witnesses, it’s not going very far.

  7. Plain Glazed on October 12, 2011

    Ever hear of anyone being disciplined, fired, or prosecuted for that?

    ***** No I have not. The brass will always protect their own over a citizen.

  8. Actually that episode sounds like some sort of rookie initiation conducted by Sweet Perry. Ya know, start ’em off on the right foot, FPD style.

  9. Hello. Knock-knock. Anybody home here?

    Why is Sellers still on the payroll for stitting home in his guard-gated San Clemente digs?

    His contract called for him to move to Fullerton–doesn’t anyone take those seriously?

  10. Chief Sellers teaches at Fullerton College while his officers commit what look like multiple felonies against a FC student.

    I wonder if they keep stats on how many arrests are later changed to detain. I bet there are lots and many of those are false arrests, where someone is brought in because some cop felt “disrespected.”

    I also wonder how many civilian complaints there are in those cases.

  11. No doubt FPD has a its own gang within it. Hey, this gang needs a name, something catchy. There’s already FTT. How ’bout ‘Tazer Rangers, or ‘Patty McK’s Ass Kickers’, or maybe ‘El 10-96’ers’. And how about this name for the gang of citizens who could follow cops around — The 10-13’ers.

    1. PWGED – “Psychopaths With GEDs”
      FWB – “Felons With Badges”
      HKHDYSP – “Hey Kenton, How Do You Spell Perjury?”
      WCL – “We Cause Lawsuits”

    1. If he gets diagnosed with PTSD then it’s possible that the two years would start from the time of diagnosis. This is because a disorder like post traumatic stress disorder is psychological and not (1) as immediate as a physical injury and, (2) not as apparent as a physical injury. It’s worth looking into. If he is having panic attacks and not wanting to leave his house, which would not be surprising, then he is exhibiting PTSD symptoms.

  12. I am usually very nice and appropriate on this blog. However, Mr. Janku must be one of the most dufus folks I have heard about. All this crap happened to him and he does not at least consult with an attorney? Go see Garo now! Let him tell you the statue of limitations is past. Somehow, it can be used in any civil trial for Thomas as it shows a pattern by the FPD.
    What were you thinking of Janku? Maybe they actually did crush your skull. Maybe you are looking for an apology only?
    If people like you actually filed lawsuits, maybe the Kelly incident would not have happened because the moribund city council would be tired of signing off on large settlements! Just maybe!

    1. 1. He did contact several attorneys closer to the time of the incident but none worked pro bono and he couldn’t afford their fees.

      2. Garo Mardirossian has been contacted and actually is the source of the info on the statute of limitations.

    2. Cops are pretty good at sizing folks up and figuring out who can afford to hire an attorney and who can’t. If you don’t look smart, you run a much higher risk of getting your ass kicked.

      1. Perpetrators choose their victims carefully. FPD had become quite good at beating up people they believed they could get away with beating up. Kelly Thomas changed all that. Hopefully the good that will come of Kelly’s death is that the light is now shining on all the dark places of Fullerton FPD and city government.

  13. The department needs a complete overhaul, , management needs to be replaced and policy strickly enforced with no exceptions. I also think a citizen overview committee needs to be in place so that complaints can be processed fairly with immediate disciplinary actions for all officers that step over the line.

    1. #57 Seer2some, Who is going to appoint another layer of bureaucracy, the Three Blind Mice Majority vote.

      If the FPD have to be so heavily watched and supervised, they
      should be removed. That is the whole of FPD. Anything else is just a bandaid
      .
      Of course, if the DA was on the ball and sent these gangsters down for a long time, possibly a deterrent!

  14. Also, the attorney handling the Thomas, Mam etc. lawsuits needs to open a Fullerton office ASAP, as it looks like he will need a full staff in that office to handle all these cases of FPD wrong doing.

  15. The problem is that liberals forced us to believe that the pigs are peace officers and that there are only few bad apples and res are a OK.

    Wrong!

    Pigs are pigs [emphases added]

    Blame liberal, progressive socialists for the POLICE brutality.

    After all only the socialistic counties have police brutality.

    1. Nazi Germany
      Fascist Italy
      Fascist Spain

      Today:
      Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Iran, Egypt before the revolution, Syria, etc. – none are socialist.

      In Europe some of the most socialist countries such as Denmark have fairly low rates of police brutality.

      Overall, there is no data backing up your position that progressive socialism equates to police brutality.

      Respect to the Oathkeepers though. Let work together and blame authoritarianism rather than making this about left or right. Remember, liberals were once libertarians.

      1. Thanks “Not so fast” 🙂 In addition, here is something I found about the genesis of the term “pig” to refer to police

        Starting in August 1968 and for a number of years afterwards, police officers were called pigs by young people, the disenchanted and even the media. This came about when a group who called themselves the Yippies, protested near the 1968 National Democratic Convention in Chicago. They had a small pig as their presidential candidate, and when police disrupted their demonstration, they started to call the police pigs. The expression caught on. Years later, the radical leaders of the Yippies became mainstream and calling police “pigs” drifted into the past.

      2. Unfortunately you are wrong!

        Nazi = National Socialist Party
        Both Italy and Spain were Nazis
        Syria is Russia (socialist) sponsored.
        Except for Saudis, the Arabian regimes were built by Russian communist to be socialist dictatorships.
        Saddam was socialist
        Gaddafi was socialist
        The big ones:
        Stalin 20M killed by police socialist
        Mao 60M killed by police socialist
        The liberals and socialists are most evil regimes.
        The real police brutality start escalating in USA with escalating socialism.
        California the most socialistic state has overflown prisons with brutality = Abu Graib.
        See Lee Baca scandal, socialist
        Etc. etc. etc.

        1. “Nazi leaders were opposed to the Marxist idea of class conflict and opposed the idea that capitalism should be abolished and that workers should control the means of production. For those who consider class conflict and the abolition of capitalism as essential components of socialist progress, these factors alone are sufficient to categorize “National Socialism” as non-socialist.

          Nazi leaders made statements describing their views as socialist, while at the same time opposing the idea of class conflict espoused by the Social Democrats (SPD) and Communists (KPD). Established socialist movements did not view the Nazis as socialists and argued that the Nazis were thinly disguised reactionaries. Historians such as Ian Kershaw also note the links between the Nazis and the German political and economic establishment and the significance of the Night of the Long Knives in which Hitler purged what were at the time seen as “leftist” elements in the Nazi Party and how this was done at the urging of the military and conservatives.”

          http://www.nazism.net/about/relation_to_other_concepts/

          Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) over the course of his lifetime went from Socialism – he was editor of Avanti, a socialist newspaper – to the leadership of a new political movement called “fascism” [after “fasces”, the symbol of bound sticks used a totem of power in ancient Rome].

          In 1932 Mussolini wrote (with the help of Giovanni Gentile) and entry for the Italian Encyclopedia on the definition of fascism.
          http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.asp

          Point taken on Soviet support of Arab regimes, but they are not “socialist” in the true sense of the word.

          The rest is just silly. There’s plenty of police brutality in the most right-wing redneck counties in the US. Is that because they’re socialist?

          Anyway, none of this has anything to do with FPD.

          1. [“National Socialism” as non-socialist]……. Hmmmm

            Unfortunately you are reading from rewritten history by socialists to distance themselves from the socialism and its evil.

            Even today socialists changed their name to liberals than to progressives and just playing with the words.

            If the socialists are so dishonest that hey can’t even distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants then you cant trust any opinion on worlds politics written by the socialists.

            The socialism is simply an opposite of the individualism and sovereignty.

            Study your constitution and bill of rights. Any socialistic crapola written by LA Times or Wiki socialists is just that a crapola.

          2. “Anyway, none of this has anything to do with FPD”……. Hmmmm

            Everything!

            Since FPD crimes are covered up by the FPD unions which are Leftist, Liberal, Progressive, Bolshevistic and Democratic.

            Pick the word which best describe this mental disorder called socialism.

            Name any FPD union member which is not a democrat.

  16. Reply to Stanley #52:
    Whenever I see a political twist used as the answer to all that is wrong, I see a very naive person!
    Orange County is considered the conservative hotbed of the west coast USA. LA County is the hot bed of liberalism as is San Francisco.
    To blame police brutality on Orange County liberals is truly mindboggling. This is basically a law and order type county except for Santa Ana and its myriad problems due to immigration.
    So although I am a conservative, your using a huge paintbrush to blame liberals on the problems in very conservative Fullerton amazes me.

  17. I’m the last person on the planet to defend the disgustingly disgraceful FPD but I have to be honest and say that this story does not ring true.

    1. Read Fullerton Lover’s comment above – #27 as of now.

      Two different attorneys have since subpoenaed Christopher’s records for use in other cases where police brutality may have been a factor.

      Unfortunately this is probably much more common than we suspect.

    2. It’s hard not to blame you for not believing that this sort of thing happened here in our normally peaceful city, however it’s all disgustingly true and verifiable needs to be stopped immediately before any more of our Fullerton youth’s lives are endangered and ruined by these sadistic savages.
      Scars like these will last a lifetime for the victim, and for a nice kid like Christopher to have had and will continue to have to bear these scars for no good reason other than to provide amusement to a couple of sadistic bastards sickens my soul and fuels my fire to rid our town of these vermin.

      1. Well said FL. The psychological trauma of something like this can be devastating. Particularly when you’ve done nothing wrong at all and then feel powerless to fight back.

    3. There is a part of it that is true, very true. He was drunk, very drunk, was talking shit, and got arrested. The rest is just made up to get the FFFF klan going again. 🙂

      1. Made up… just like the Kelly Thomas story was until the DA told us the truth. Made up just like Veth Mam’s accusations were until the jury set him free.

        Screw off.

        1. Well, charges were dropped. There are similarities to the Quinonez case, and he wasn’t drunk even though he was arrested for being drunk in public.

    1. There are obviously a lot of vile disgusting pigs on the FPD and I believe the only hope for Fullerton is that the department gets disbanded. I’m not saying I don’t believe this story is true. I’m saying I’m not convinced it’s 100% true. It’s a feeling I get. I’m saying a lot of people on this blog will believe 100% any sick cop story they read here. Anyone can tell a story. I believe a lot of what I read here but I question some of it.

      1. I had similar reservations until I met with the victim and saw some of his evidence. Which parts of the story did you feel were innacurate or untrue?

        We already have received messages from other victims of Officer Thayer. He appears to be a serial abuser.

          1. You wouldn’t want us to reveal personnel info on these guys would you? What about the spirit of POBR? FUBAR? SNAFU?

    1. I’ve got jury duty on Tuesday 10/18, but if I don’t get a case I’ll definitely drive up to Fullerton for the J&K show.

      How are the Saturday protests going lately? I’ve been out of touch for a couple weeks.

  18. What sick fucking bastards. What kind of messed up childhood would someone have to behave this way? Were they beat? Did they learn that they were somehow better than others and therefore had the right to degrade and dehumanize people that they perceived as weak or a threat? Obviously. It’s bred into this society through religion and patriotism. Both are tools for separating and controlling the masses. Wake up people.

    Clearly these officers have issues, especially anger issues. And what is really frightening as well as saddening is that these are traits that are preferred when hiring officers. They are simply hired thugs for the State, nothing more and are given free reign to force their will on the people.

    Fuck them. We are better off without cops.

      1. aaaaa hahaha -so funny oh i get it -instead of merijoe you made it merihoe-hahaha, good one- you missed your calling- Irrelavant Is

  19. These people are sick. From a clinical standpoint, it is sick and sadistic. Not just the officers committing these atrocities but also their superiors condoning, possibly encouraging it. It has been going on a long time. Kelly Thomas’ death occurred after a long period of escalating violence.

    This is not a clinical thing to say, but I am really beginning to wonder if some of abusive officers are evil.

    There are certainly some features of antisocial personality on the part of the perpetrating police officers on the FPD force.

  20. blessusall :
    These people are sick. From a clinical standpoint, it is sick and sadistic. Not just the officers committing these atrocities but also their superiors condoning, possibly encouraging it. It has been going on a long time. Kelly Thomas’ death occurred after a long period of escalating violence.
    This is not a clinical thing to say, but I am really beginning to wonder if some of abusive officers are evil.
    There are certainly some features of antisocial personality on the part of the perpetrating police officers on the FPD force.

    Evil Really??!! So it’s all Satan’s fault..right. No, people are responsible for their own actions. People who think they are not are dangerous.

    1. We Are All One: I did not mean evil in any kind of religious sense of referring to Satan, so sorry if that is how it came across. Evil in the sense that they have no capacity or desire for empathy, no real conscience at all, and they do not believe themselves to be responsible for their own actions. They are deeply emotionally damaged in some way. And you are right, they are dangerous to us all. Furthermore, they should be held accountable for their criminal behavior.

      1. Notice that they, and their supporters, will always take a victim blaming stance and find a way to blame the victim of their violence rather than EVER take responsibility for their own behavior.

  21. Janku needs an assessment to determine if he has PTSD from this experience. He sounds like he has the symptoms. I think the statute of limitations on suing for inflicting violence that resulted in PTSD would begin when the diagnosis is made.

  22. I have lived in this community, as a homeowner, for 20+ years and now I am really afraid of Fullerton police officers. I have heard many community members say to me there are “good cops’ in the FPD – not all are rotten, but I beg to differ – if you are a decent human being, working in the position of law enforcement – you somehow must speak out and reveal the misconduct and the evil nature of your peers. There has to be accountability. If you don’t, you’re of such low character and moral standard, you have absolutely no business being apart of any police department.

    I have had my own encounter with the Fullerton police department that shook me up a bit. Although it’s a relatively minor incident, it did occur and it was upsetting…I never forgot it.

    Fifteen years ago I was coming home from a volunteer position at Orangewood Children’s Home and it was past midnight (I think it was 1AM). I was driving my van down Lemon, near the 91, into Fullerton, noting at that very moment I was essentially the only car on the street. I was driving safely and abiding by the speed limit; however, all of a sudden, I realized that behind me was a patrol car with his lights on.

    The officier pulls me over and asks me “what I’m doing and where I’m going?” I explained… and he even went on to ask what I was doing at Orangewood – the specifics, he wanted to know the details! I thought, “what the heck business is it of yours to ask me questions about where I was?” I was shaking so bad – i was thinking this is not normal! I eventually asked, although I was scared out of my mind, what I did wrong and he never answered me. Now, I think, what an idiot I was. I should have never asked anything of him. After being detained for about 20 minutes, and after looking at my license, he said I could go. I left terrified.

    I NOW have a plan should I ever be pulled over by FPD… I intend to turn my dictation app on my iphone and record everything that is said.

    1. Momof4js said:
      “If you are a decent human being, working in the position of law enforcement – you somehow must speak out and reveal the misconduct and the evil nature of your peers. There has to be accountability. If you don’t, you’re of such low character and moral standard, you have absolutely no business being apart of any police department.”

      This is the bottom line. These officers have a problem. After years of tolerating abuses toward the public and looking the other way when injustice occurred, their hearts became hardened. Abject cruelty didn’t really seem cruel anymore and sworn officers of the law gradually became the perps themselves. New recruits quickly learned that there were no consequences to abhorrent behavior. Some of the senior brass must have realized that a day of reckoning was approaching. Well, it is here now.

  23. I hope Court TV covers the Kelly Thomas beating trial. Both the FPD and City Council will have their names smeared worldwide! Justice for Kelly Thomas!!!

  24. And the list goes on and on…

    McKinley
    Sellers
    Ramos
    Wolfe
    Cicinelli
    Hampton
    Craig
    Blatney
    Goodrich
    Rincon
    Major
    Siliceo
    Tong
    Cross
    Wren
    Nowling
    Mejia
    Lira
    Hamilton
    Kirk
    Nguyen
    Mater
    Thayer
    Diaz

    Who else?

  25. Will the “good” cop(s) in Fullerton please identify yourself(ves)? Please explain why you have witnessed all this abuse, thuggery, and crime by Pat McK and his police/bullies and at best done nothing. Union? Pension? Particiption?

    In the end, how can you think of yourself as a “good” cop?

  26. Actually, his statute of limitations has not run. 42 USC Section 1983 has a 3 year statute of limitations. His state claims may be untimely, but federal claims for false arrest and excessive force may still be brought under Section 1983.

  27. Many bullies have learned their trade by watching their parents. These bundles of joy, turn into mean, vindictive souls, whose primary mission, is to make others pay for their miserable existence. I am sure we all had a bully give us hell at one time or another in our lives; I know I have.
    Figure it this way: a young boy at the hands of an abusive father, also teaches his son not to take any guff from anyone. His son starts to push others around, then gets his jollies from it, while being praised at home. He grows up, gets on a PD, then continues his ways; only this time, he has a badge, gun, and all the other weapons at his disposal, to not only ruin a person’s day, but life as well. This person also has been given the authority to not only take away your freedoms, but also your life, if need be.
    This psycho then is promoted to an F.T.O., (Field Training Officer). He teaches his dirty and illegal ways to his trainees, and they in turn, emulate his ways. They, in turn, promote, and teach their learned ways to others, and so on. Meanwhile, we in society, along with all the other challenges and curves that life throws our way, have to deal with this dangerous element, whose initial reason for existence, was to help people in need. Now, somehow, that whole reason for being, has been bastardized by these types of officers.
    Those of us, who have grown up in the 50’s 60’s, and 70’s, look upon these times as evil; I know I do. The sad and scary reality of it all, is that our kids will look back upon these times as the “Good-Ole-Days”. I know I will always fear for their safety with these asshats patrolling the streets.
    That is why this fight is so important. Kelly Thomas paid the ultimate price for just existing in their jungle. We have to let them know, that this trend is going to cease, or we will be on their very doorsteps, with signs, petitions, and lawsuits to bring them under control.
    RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED

    1. Family upbringing is only a small part of problem cops 91C. I know numerous cops that have great upbringings, very mellow. Others were military, college, athletes, dorks, and everything in between. I think most of how people mold into good cops is their training and the group of cops they work with.

      I was looking through my LASD academy pictures today. Reminded me of how much emphasis is put on military regimen, physical fitness, fight or die, always have and take that advantage. If you do not use the best tactics all the time, you will die. If you have haven’t been punched in the face, you might be in trouble. You will get punched in the face and you better be ready to stay conscious and be ready to fight for your life and gun. You remember all of this stuff. This type of training is crucial to teach the importance of officer safety and tactics.

      I didn’t have any military so I learned most of this after college in the academy. Then the jails. It was an eye opener. Being in a jail, outside, with 250 inmates and 2 deputies. I learned the live or die and put up with no shit right away. Put up with the shit, or allow them the edge, you could and will die early in your career.

      Most of the teachings are true. Somehow, that needs to be taught along with something else that makes cops keep the realization of humanity alive. I’m not sure the two can be taught together. We learned about force, supervisors, doing the right thing, and not losing your job for some moron that wants to kick some guys ass. Ass kicking was much more prevalent back when I started. I don’t see it much at all anymore. But I do notice it’s very hard to question that a bad guy got his ass kicked after he punched a cop in the face twice and broke the cops nose and then got his ass kicked. Reporting must be done correctly, and documented correctly, but if the bad guy does that and/or tries to get the cops gun or any other combination of bullshit, force is going to be used and used in a big way.

      Oh well. Who knows. I know the training and academies have to teach life or death. The academies are much much easier now, so maybe that’s because they aren’t preaching as much fight or die attitude. Time will tell.

      I do think that there aren’t many people that will risk their careers for some moron that wants to kick someone’s ass. Carry on.

  28. This slimes that oversee Fullerton are one evil doers. Protecting and covering up while residents and citizens are being beaten, terrorized and killed. This homegrown psychos are the REAL Terrorists.

    When you scratch the surface there is a whole lot of criminal activities going on all the time by this so called protectors and administrators. Believe me when I say it is not just Fullerton, look into your communities all over. It’s just a matter of time before you become the next victim.

  29. Ana, you are so right. The dangers we all face just walking out the door, is now exacerbated by these types of officers. The city and state do not matter, as corruption and abuse, seem to be the order-of-the-day, nationwide. That is why I warn others to be vigilant; get a videocam, and if stopped, do not speak to the officer if they want to know specifics regarding your comings and goings. Just politely hand them your license, registration, and proof of insurance, and ask them to write you a cite for whatever it is you did wrong. THAT IS IT! No other information on your part is required, nor should be given to officers by law.
    The recorded stop on video, and the more passengers/witnesses you have, will ensure that they will, at least refrain from doing any of their devious deeds.

    1. Really 91c? You amaze me sometimes. I guess your career dictates that attitude.

      The only reply I have to your advice is that if they do that, they get a ticket just as you said. IF they are a normal person, they get a warning. Right?

  30. Thanks to the individual who compiled the officier list.
    I am supportive of the recall, but can someone explain why Whitaker and Quirk are not Also being recalled? It seems as though they too are guilty of keeping silent of evil deeds of officers- why haven’t they spoken up earlier than they did? They appear to be opportunists to me. If this isnt the case could someone explain why they should be trusted? Frankly, I’d like to see all of the council gone – the house needs to be cleaned.

    1. They sqeaked under the wire. Actually, the prime danger of overthrowing a government is to throw the entire government into chaos. The worst thing that could happen is for a majority of the council to see the errors of their ways and resign, leaving no plurality of the council to vote to replace them.

      Another tactic is serial resignations, whereby one council person resigns and trusts the other four to appoint a replacement. Then the second resigns and trusts the existing four to name a replacement, and then the third…

      The other tactic is a recall which includes within it the election of replacements. Elect a new three with the recall process and then deal with the other two later. At this point, I think that McKinley, Bankhead, and Jones would be doing you a favor by staying in office, volunteering to be beat up through the recall process, and then being cerimoniously replaced through the recall process.

  31. This is one of the points that I tried to tell cousin Sharon Kennedy of the Fullerton Observer when I first heard of the Kelly Thomas beating on KFI. I knew it because iepolitics.com had reprinted LA Times stories of the ACLU investigations of the LA County central jail.

    Today’s police officers know that they are being voice recorded and video taped. While these devices help their supervisors to keep them in line, they have also used these devices to their advantage to intimidate their charges and to hold the inmates and detainees in fear.

    Remember the slogan of “Big City Cops”: “Let them hate, but let them fear”?

    Specifically in the LA County Central jail, the jailers know where the cameras are and how to get an inmate who has been giving them trouble, or simply not sufficient respect, into areas that are not covered by cameras. Then they repeatedly shout, “stop resisting”, while beating the inmate they discerned was a problem even though he was not resisting. But with only voive recording or the witness of those overhearing available, who would know?

    Similarly in Janku’s case, there was no video, but the voice recorders worn by all FPD officers recorded pleas by the officers to ‘stop resisting” while they went about any business that they thought was their business. And the internal investigation officer could look at the evidence and look at Janku in the eye and say”why were you resisting?”

    I tried to tell Sharon that when you hear the words, “stop resisting” on a cops audio recording, that it is a code word that internal investigations will look the other way, but that civil libertarians should hone in on and investigate.

    Previously, Rusty Kennedy has told me that he is an expert in code words.

    Stop resisting, Sharon. Stop resisting Rusty.

    1. LOL that’s funny. I’ve only seen 1 fullerton cop that could possibly be on steroids. Steriods is so 1980’s. most guys would rather have a penis than muscles these days. 🙂

  32. Travis Kiger on October 12, 2011

    Cops are pretty good at sizing folks up and figuring out who can afford to hire an attorney and who can’t. If you don’t look smart, you run a much higher risk of getting your ass kicked

    ****Travis, you don’t know how right you are. My dept. arrested a good friend of mine. He was run off the road by a patrol car rounding a corner when he was riding his bike to the store. He had to go up on the sidewalk in order not to be struck. Long story short, the deputy stopped, beat him up, arrested him, and wrote all sorts of BS charges against him. Well, he was bailed out about an hour later by his brother who brought in the $25000.00 bail; it was all in cash!! You see, his brother, is a millionaire dentist.

  33. Folks we are on the right side of things and righteousness will prevail. Its gonna be a long winter but the the spring thaw will reveal the fruits of our labor. Cant wait for those “toxic people” John and Ken to set up camp on the lawn. Nothing like a little Monsanto terminator grass seed for the lawn on Commonwealth every now and then huh gang?

  34. Reality Is :Not yet. Just heard about it.
    JT. Let’s just say we have this guy claiming one thing and the officer claiming another. In the end, that’s all anyone has to look at.
    What now? What would you do? This is what happens often in police complaints. Just wondering what your thoughts are knowing how most complaints occur.
    Also, I’ve arrested probably over 100 people for drunk in public. I’ve done a quick field sobriety test on maybe two of them. Had one blow. That’s it. Tests aren’t common for drunk in public arrests. If a drunk demands one, he won’t get one for sure. Drunks demand the world. That’s usually what got them put in jail.

    Before getting into the rest of it, I don’t understand how you could be pulled over, not be the driver, and then be arrested for being drunk in public. Is that normal?

    So what would I do? I would question all of the other officers, listen to the DARs, question the victim, question the victim’s friends who observed the whole thing, and then make a determination. But I don’t work for internal affairs. I have no idea what they actually do but it seems to mainly involve shielding the rest of the force from criminal charges or displicinary firings, at least in Fullerton.

    If there was more than one complaint about a particular officer I’d investigate it further. Look into the officer’s psychology, try to figure out what’s going on. Is he reliable? Professional? A potential danger to public safety? Likely to fly of the handle unprovoked? Does he have a God complex? Those would be some questions I’d ask.

    I don’t work in LE but if I did I guess I’d take this kind of thing WAY more seriously than anybody in LE around here seems to be taking it. It totally erodes public trust when the police abuse the public. I don’t really get why that concept is hard for cops to understand. It is in their own best interest to behave professionally at all times. If someone is shooting at you then you need to fire back, I understand that. I don’t see stepping on some kids head, even if he’s being mouthy, as self-defense or as professional police work. I don’t see how driving around and trying to hurt the person by having them thrown up against the grill serves any useful social purpose whatsoever.

    I would advocate strong and enforceable zero tolerance policies for this kind of behavior. One violation and you’re done. I have no sympathy for the officers involved, if they did only one half of what the victim claims. I would throw them off the force and urge the DA to prosecute.

    Hey, you asked.

    1. Yes. Passengers are arrested often. It’s a catch 22. If we let them go and they are drunk and a danger to themselves, then the only option is to take them to jail for being drunk in public. They are a danger to themselves, and if they walk away and are never found again, beat up, robbed, or hit by a car, guess who will be calling for my termination and protesting at the PD front door? 🙂

      Your approach seems common with IA. Not sure how long Fullerton has had DARs. I would like to see their policy as well. I can’t imagine a policy that says you must turn on your DAR no matter what on every contact. I doubt it says that, and that’s why we hear the stories of no DARs. There has to be flexibility in there, and that’s probably what is used in the instances you are seeing. The only other option is a DAR that is on 24/7 and downloads onto a server as you pull up to the station. That’s what the dash cam system does and you can’t alter that system at all.

      I hear what you are saying about perception. I think the other side of it from the LE side is that for every 50 complaints, there are 5 that have some sense of legitimacy to them. There is so much shit that is made up and so far out of left field you wouldn’t even imagine. So those complaints probably taint the realness of the over smaller complaints, especially coming from a drunk guy that can be seen and heard on police video yelling, screaming, talking shit, threatening to kick cops asses, etc. I agree that demeanor should be monitored and complaints investigated each time, but more often than not it is one word against another. I have had several that came in as repeated uses of the foul language and the officer admitted the use of the F word. The F word isn’t always against policy, but if we start getting multiple complaints, there is a problem. Even if the officer is found not guilty of policy violations, it’s still a problem due to the perception and the multiple complaints and it will be addressed to improve the behavior.

      I agree with zero tolerance. One violation and done depends strictly on the offense. You can’t fire a cop for using the F word or for violating a policy once or twice You can try to fire them but after arbitration they will be ordered back with full back pay and it just costs the city more money in the end. Major policy violations or crimes, are much easier to terminate with documentation. In my 20 plus years, i’ve probably seen 15 cops fired and probably 10 got their jobs back.

  35. You guys want to know something really funny?

    There was a reply posted to someone named “Perry Thayer” on the FFF blog way back in August.

    Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the original post by Perry Thayer seems to have been deleted. But going by the quote used in the reply, he had make a remark about Kelly Thomas and how his injuries were “not that bad”:

    “Face doesn’t look that bad, take away the dried blood and gauze and it looks like he was in a boxing match. Apparently you haven’t been in or seen the aftermath of many street fights.

    Apparently, as we suspected, Fullerton cops really are reading this blog. Because to me, it seems very unlikely that anyone else would use that name, especially since until now probably no one had even heard of him.

    Judging by the asinine and insensitive comments he posted about Kelly Thomas, I definitely believe he would have done what this other victim is accusing him of.

  36. REALITY IS,

    You and I need to talk face to face. You need to have the nuts to introduce yourself to me. I have been there all along, with the invitation to do so. Are you man enough?

  37. The picture displays all children??? The U.S. army also uses children to fight their wars because they are dumb children who obey with out question. They do not think for themselves and are indeed fools. Sad to see the police departments using this same tactic. These children do not know right from wrong and make mistakes everyday because they are so young. Wisdom comes from good morals over the years and these kids obviously dont have them. The United states is becoming a police state more and more everyday. Children with guns.

  38. Thayer does not look so tough. He should look me up for a one on one boxing match at one of the gyms I box at. I would be happy to show him how a real man boxes. I don’t think he could even hang with some of the teenagers I teach.

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