That Paid Leave Keeps Adding Up
Update: Added one “Officer N” who was accidentally left out of the FPD report, bringing the total to 9 officers.
These days there are quite a few Fullerton cops getting paid to surf the couch and watch CHiPs reruns while the rest of the crew are picking up extra overtime to cover their shifts. That pays out at time-and-a-half.
In the last two months, there were NINE Fullerton police officers chilling out on paid leave while their conduct is supposedly being investigated.
Prediction: By the end of the year we will run out of letters in the alphabet.
It must be pretty damn nice to collect money on taxpayers dime while the rest of us peasants bust our asses to follow the rules, while those in the FPD don’t. Screw this shit…time to tell the government to stop raping our hard earn wages, property taxes and other shit.
Anonymous, don’t know what kind of work you do, but if it is in the private sector, in a unionized business, you likely have the same rights and process as do those Officers. In most union contracts, employees accused of serious misconduct or rules violations, are placed on paid leave (just like the Officers) while the allegations are being investigated and the level of discipline is being neotiated by the union. In the Private Sector, unions rule with an iron fist and frequently beat management into submissionon employee discipline. In the Public Sector, Police Officers due process rights are established by law. Like the process or not, it was codified by the Legislature and passed into law. For the relatively small number (10%) of Officers who do bad things, there are 90% who follow the higher standards of conduct and deserve the protections offered. Any of you whiners who think being a Cop is such a cake walk, feel free to get your applications in at your local Police Department.
Oh the potholes, the broken water mains, the grafitti, the dead grass at the soccer fields, the public bathrooms in disrepair, the traffic lights out of synchronization, the empty buildings everywhere, the drinking fountains spewing lead flux in the water, the sidewalks in disrepair, the sewers that need to be relined, the unemployment…….need I go on? CAN ANYONE SAY RECALL?????? TIME TO REINVENT THE WHEEL FOLKS.
This is because of PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS. They have destroyed our public institutions. I am NOT a libertarian. I believe in a role for the public sector. But UNIONS have taken our faith in public institutions and exploited it. They have corrupted the work ethic of our public employees, filled them with “us-vs-them” resentment, grossly inflated their expectations, and used their dues (MY MONEY) to buy our politicians who they “negotiate” with. The excessive pay and the inefficient work rules have yielded what you see – a broken city. OUTLAW PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS.
The council controls the purse strings-Costa Mesa -Fullerton can farm it out.
I agree with the critique of police unions. But farm it out? To who? OCSD?
“On Sept. 30, sheriff’s deputy Mario Manuel Castro had a few too many at a Costa Mesa bar while off-duty–like, three times the legal limit too many–and decided to drive home around two in the morn. He ended up in the city of Orange, driving on the wrong side of the road. Straight toward a police car belonging to the Orange Police Department. With a cop in it. Tee-hee!
This wasn’t the first time Deputy Castro had driven under the influence–he was convicted for the same crime in 2009.
If it were you or I, Castro would’ve been charged with fucking with the Orange police for swerving toward their way–some type of street terrorism, no? Anyhoo, the Orange County District Attorney’s Office charged Castro today with one misdemeanor count of driving under the influence of alcohol with a prior, one misdemeanor count of driving with a blood alcohol .08 percent or more with a prior, and a sentencing enhancement allegation for having a blood alcohol level over .15 percent. If convicted, Deputy Castro faces a year in jail. Fun! Court date is Nov. 16, at Central Court–see you there!”
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/10/mario_manuel_castro_oc_sheriff.php
Yes farm it out to OCSD. You choose to site one instance of a problem at OCSD which is far larger than the 130 person police force in FUllerton.
One study showed that going to OCSD and disbanding Fullerton PD would result in a 1/3 savings to the taxpayers!
By your choosing to site one example instead of the numerous examples at Fullerton PD is specious reasoning.
Remember, outing of Fullerton PD and helping right the wrongs of the Kelly murder is the reason for much of this blog. Ridding the city council of the three blind mice is another admirable goal.
Add the letter “S” for the Chief who is also out on paid leave.
If I am not mistaken, after one year of sick leave he will get his retirement, TAX FREE!!
His level (%) of disability will be determined by the State Workers Compensation people and only that part of his retirement will be tax exempt. Rarely, if ever is it all tax free.
Is anyone over this crap yet? It’s as though these cops talk to one another to find out how they can get extra paid time off to vacation with their families..
Apparently, all you have to do if you are an FPD officer is commit a crime to get paid time off.
That’s not just FPD. That’s how it works at every police department in the US.
Check it out, seems these guys are sent into O.C. to infiltrate, and do you wonder whats behind these guys infesting O.C. politics?
http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/NEWS.html?feed=421898&article=9271279
All the more reason to start a ‘Take Over Fullerton’ protest.
And it seems to be the ones on PAL still hang out in town. A signer of the recall was approached by a squad car with 2 officers in full uniform at the “cop car wash” off Euclid and Commonwealth when someone overheard him mentioned he believed Ramos deserved the gas chamber. Coincidence? I think not.
Funny seeing that shot of Ponch and what’s his name?….
Wow, $6 to $8 K a month is a lot for a job requiring your GED. I have my Master’s and don’t make that much. Unless these guys are prison psychologists or detectives, they are grossly overpaid, even when they are actually working. I guess keeping are streets “safe” from transients, broken tail-lights, and pot smokers is more important than teaching our kids how to be responsible adults that can function in society. I know some cops work hard and encounter dangerous situations, but so do lots of other positions that don’ pull down 80K a year.
Hey Brandon, there will be some openings at Fullerton P.D. in the near future. Hurry down and get your application in for one of those cushy high paying jobs. Who knows, with your Masters Degree, you might just be that one in one-hundred applicants who is hired, gets through the screening/background process, passes the polygraph and psych exams and makes it through the Police Academy. Then you can forget the theory and get down to working under a Field Training Officer for six months learning how to harass those transients and pot smokers. Twelve more months of closely supervised probation and you then graduate to becoming a full Police Officer. By the way, it will take you around ten years on the job to get your salary up to 80K. So Brandon, are you up for the challenge or just whining like a little girl because you are one?
Yeah those psych tests, screening, probation, bullshit bullshit bullshit really weeded out Ramos Cicinelli, Mejia, Major, Hampton Nguyen, Wolfe, etc., etc, etc.
Let’s face it. Got your GED and an attitude? You got a job.
BTW, idiot, the iPad thief Mejia was making $86K and is 26.
TDR, don’t pay any attention to that clown. Nobody does.
Sample FPD psych exam question:
You are angry because of problems in your personal life. You pull over a car in order to try to make your quote of DUI arrests, but unfortunately the driver is sober. What do you do?
A. Punch the drive until he’s unconscious, pour whisky from your flask into his mouth and arrest him for DUI anyway.
B. Tase everybody in sight repeatedly.
C. Scream “stop resisting” at the already non-resisting passengers, beat them within an inch of their lives and then arrest them for resisting arrest and public drunkeness.
D. Handcuff the chicks and do some “inappropriate touching” in the backseat of the squad car.
Why would you denigrate a show like CHIPS?
Those guys never used force, used drugs or stole from anybody.
Exactly. False idols.
DISBAND THE FULLERTON PD NOW!
…They are costing tax payers like myself WAY too much money!
Im going to vomit
The drink til you puke business has got to stop. Alcoholism in older women is an ugly thing to see
Sellers is on medical leave so he’s probably not on that list so that leaves Kenton Hampton, Manny Ramos, Joe Wolfe, James Blatney, Jay Cincinelli and Albert Rincon which is 6 so who are the other 2 and what are they accused of doing?
One is probably Sgt. Kevin Craig who was on scene when Kelly Thomas was killed.
I love that they persist in the futility of keeping these officers’ names hidden, even though we all know who they are.
I’m guessing Officer F is our little iPad thief-ette.
With pay like this, who needs to steal?
MERIJOE, WRONG GUY,
Are guys going to be at the John and Ken Recall Rally tomorrow?
Not sure, I will try to get out there, but its hard during the middle of a work day- If not, tell Tony B I said hello
and tell fedup I said hello and to you too
Are you? Is your ear OK? I’ll be there at like 4:15 or 4:30 in my red car; hope to see you there.
Municipal welfare…must be nice. However, this will be chump change in comparison to the lawsuits currently underway.
Just like the rubber rooms for teachers. You can thank the public sector unions for this. Outlaw public sector unions.
I agree they’ve raped us long eough. Go after their inflated tax free pensions.
I watched a video just now in which a black former United States Marine Sergeant is standing on the sidewalk in New York. On the street are numerous heavily armed NYC police officers. This courageous man stands there yelling “There is no honor in this. You are here to protect the citizens of New York. You are here to protect me. These are unarmed United States citizens. You are hurting unarmed United States citizens. Me and my whole family risked our lives for this country. I can’t stand here and let you do this.” The previous is not a quote, instead I am paraphrasing what I saw and heard. We absolutely cannot allow this thing to continue in Fullerton. If we can’t stop it with our protests, with our reporting…then we will stop it in ways guaranteed to us by the founders of this country if we should find ourselves with a tyrannical government. It is really up to us now to bring this and other fiascoes like it to an end. There is no exemption from our laws. We have equal protection under the law. If any one of us gets accused of a serious crime there are immediate circumstances. What these men are getting is paid vacation. The way this should work is that a police officer is suspended if serious charges are levied against him. We take his gun and badge. Should he later be cleared then maybe he’d be entitled to lost wages. I am sure that there are dozens of plans than what I am proposing but this rape of our tax funds should be stopped.
I find it very troublesome that Fullerton would have such a large percentage of former police officers in positions of authority. We, the people, already know how one police officer will protect another police officer no matter what. Like the former United States Marine Sergeant said……”There is no honor in that.”
I watched that earlier today too. here’s the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7v-Na4sip0&feature=related
Unbelievably epic and great rant.
Too bad if he did this in Fullerton he would have been repeatedly tased, kicked, beaten, had his head stomped on, been braked-checked on his way to the station, and would have been charged with 93 counds of assault on a peace officer and resisting arrest.
And he explains here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5_dZez-OTw
And you forgot RAPED in the cop car too.
I think Joe Wolfe has been seen out patroling the streets late at night and on gang duty in an unmarked car. Are you sure they are still on paid adminstrative leave?
It’s possible. I doubt that Andy Goodrich will make an announcement when those cops are put back on the street.
You people are fucking idiots.
GED?
take a picture of that
Keep an eye out for Joe. Here he is though reportedly he has a shaved head these days:
http://missfullerton.com/imageview.php?img=14930&gal=383
Winnie the Pooh with a badge and a gun. Got it.
By FPD standards, Joe would be best described as “svelte.”
oh im surprised- hes a fat load
Not as big as the load in me!
Kenton Hampton: http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Kenton-Hampton-2.png
Joe Wolfe: http://missfullerton.com/thumb.php?im=galleries/383/IMG_0329_575.JPG&maxsize=575
We need photos of: James Blatney, Kevin Craig & Albert Rincon
Yes we do! Thanks for the picture of Wolfe. Another GED bloat.
You going to post their home addresses next?
Is it public information like my address?
You don’t even live in Fullerton, Fred.
A shaved head? Cute. I wonder if this slug could handle a non-homeless girl-scout without his baton.
Looks like I picked the wrong profession. My boss makes me show up and do stuff before I get my paychecks.
If he did this here in Fulerton he’d be publicly dealt with by the FPD.
Why don’t you mention the Chief himself?
Bogus medical leave–and he’s not even vegging out in Fullerton, as his contract requires!
Bogus medical leave is a separate list. What we have here are suspected criminals.
By the amount of cash they pull down you would almost think they had a dangerous job. But the truth is that law enforcement doesn’t even rank in the top 10 most dangerous. It’s mostly the fishermen, farmers and construction workers that get killed and maimed on the job. (the guys that keep the food in the market and the roof over your head) And they do it (honestly) for less money and with-out an obscene pension. http://financialedge.investopedia.com/financial-edge/1109/Americas-10-Most-Dangerous-Jobs.aspx#axzz1bBHqZ3Q5
Here’s the actual list:
While many of us are sitting in our padded computer chairs, safe in the office environment – with the only health hazards facing us being spilled coffee or the occasional paper cut – there are a significant number of workers battling fatal injuries on the job every day. Recently, various TV networks have been showcasing some of these dangerous jobs. But the perils of hazardous job sites aren’t restricted to police officers and animal trainers. In many cases, the most (seemingly) common jobs can create the highest fatality rates, and the careers listed below represent the most fatal of those from 2008. (Half of Americans lose their nest eggs when they switch careers. Learn why you should avoid this trap, in Transfer Retirement Savings When You Change Jobs.)
Fishermen and other related fishing workers – Fatality rate: 128.9
In 2008, commercial fisherman topped the list of America’s most dangerous jobs. A fisherman’s workplace may include heavy machinery, inclement weather and slippery surfaces, depending on maritime conditions. The Discovery Channel’s show that follows the perilous expeditions of commercial fisherman definitely lives up to its name: “Deadliest Catch”.
Logging workers – Fatality rate: 115.7
What is so dangerous about cutting down trees? Loggers are often responsible for clearing out dense areas of trees and transporting the remnants. Heavy winds, falling branches and hidden roots are just a few of the dangers these workers must be mindful of, in order to keep safe.
Aircraft pilots and flight engineers – Fatality rate: 72.4
Traveling by plane is far safer than traveling by car, but pilots and flight engineers landed third on our list of most dangerous job in America. Crashes may be rare, but other circumstances can arise while in flight. Test pilots and helicopter pilots may be exposed to more danger, due to experimental equipment and the nature of their trips.
Structural iron and steel workers – Fatality rate: 46.4
Structural iron and steel workers placed seventh on our list of Highest Paying Blue-Collar Jobs, but the high compensation comes with high risks. These workers operate in intense conditions, often including extreme heights, high temperatures and bright light.
Farmers and ranchers – Fatality rate: 39.5
Farmers and ranchers use a variety of large tools to grow crops and cultivate livestock. In fact, the largest source of on-the-job danger comes from the operation of heavy machinery. In 2008, there were 317 fatalities in this line of work.
Refuse and recyclable material collectors – Fatality rate: 36.8
Duties in this line of work vary, depending on the type of trash is involved – residential or industrial. Handling heavy machinery and operating large vehicles pose occupational risks, and exposure to hazardous materials can cause respiratory illness.
Roofers – Fatality rate: 34.4
If you are afraid of heights, is not the job for you. In addition to working atop homes and buildings, roofers typically work during the summer months when intense heat can prove hazardous. In 2008, 79 deaths were recorded in the roofing industry.
Electrical power line installers and repairers – Fatality rate: 29.8
This powerful occupation came in as another one of our Highest Paying Blue-Collar Jobs, but it can also be quite hazardous. Workers install and repair power lines and poles. Daily risks may include electrocution and falling from cranes used to reach high-altitude power lines.
Truck drivers and drivers (salespeople) – Fatality rate: 22.8
In 2008, this occupation had the largest number of fatalities. Truck drivers and salespeople are responsible for different deliverables, but they share the same highways. Over 900 people died on the job in accidents, many of which were due to fatigue, not collisions involving other drivers.
Taxi drivers and chauffeurs – Fatality rate: 19.3
Between 2007-2008, taxi drivers and chauffeurs took a turn for the worse, kicking police sheriffs and patrol officers out of the last spot on our list of most dangerous jobs. During the process of transporting clients from one place to the next, traffic and accidents can become deadly. Last year, 69 people lost their lives in this line of work.
Conclusion
Though many of these careers are high-paying and require significant education, the risks that come with them may not outweigh the perks for many. The data was compiled by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The figures represent fatalities recorded in 2008, calculated per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers in the occupation.
It may be a separate list, but it’s a heckuva lot more money!
Faking an illness and willful violation of a contract (requiring residence in Fullerton) may not be criminal acts, but they are actionable violations of some kind!
Commissioner Kieger:
As a City Official are you stating that the Chief’s medical leave is bogus ? A person can assume you would have access to information we would not – do you know something we don’t?
Who is Commissioner Kieger?
I smell internal investigation. Travis, you may be the next on paid leave.
Bogus.
So again, Commissioner Keiger, are you stating here that Chief Sellers medical leave is “bogus”? Why is it you are only willing to IMPLY it so
others here believe it to be true, yet you don’t have the INTEGRITY to actually SAY it – nor stand by your implication.
why dont they do like i see on diability cases where “malingering” or fraud is suspected -“subrosa” (under the rose) means surveillance on tape of the claimant
Victor Mackey:
Interesting fact re: CHiPs
Ponch and John never drew their sidearms once during the entire run of that show.
They didn’t? /i used to watch every week, I never knew that.
Can’t we just let all the FPD go and hire out sheriffs from someplace else…that seems like it would save a TON of money…since we seem to have to pay off the girls that were “frisked” by that on officer already ($500,000.00!) just sayin.
These bastards should lose their pensions. ANIMALS
sign this for Kelly-a potential bill that would make it a crime for a cop to stand by watching and eating a krispie kreme while his nazi friends are bashing someones head in http://www.petition2congress.com/4898/kelly-thomas-law/view/
Merijoe, your a cunt. I hope you never have to call the police, if you do don’t bother.
For all of the grammar police, “you’re”.
The period goes inside the quotation mark. Cretin.
We heard that from the fire goons, too. “Hope you never have an emergency.”
Why are you picking on firemen? What did they do? Couldn’t get your cat out of the tree?
It’s a standard retort when you question their pay, pension, and benefits: hope you never need us.
Sounds a lot like an extortion racket.
Ok slappy, sounds like your a jackass.
That’s what I pay taxes for – It’s their JOBS to respond to my calls and emergencies-boll weevils
so fuck you-pass that on
troll
That’s original
thats not “picking” on anyone that’s called “reporting what someone else sid said” so if you don’t want your words spread, STFU and keep it to yourself otherwise too bad so sad
“If you do don’t bother” Boy…that’s a tough one to figure. Now, I realize many of you cops are morons, but shit…did that really sound right when you wrote it?
Sure did asshole
i feel safe:-/
VW TYPE,
Fedup and I will be at the rally tomorrow. My ears are doing better thanks. It will be a pleasure to meet you. Oh, and I want to see your car also.
I’m constantly seeing references to the supposed fact that police are underpaid. This proves that to be a lie, I guess. I’ll bet the lowest gets more than 90% of Fullertonians for sure.
Yes. I’ll be there around 4:00. Glad to see your ears are doing better 9c1.
Sellers is a perfect candidate of the type of citizen we don’t want our children to become.
He’s allowed the FPD to become a plethora of of liars,cheats,thief’s and murderers. Now the icing on the cake is a questionable medical condition. The city leaders should think about getting second opinions of his illness and terminating the beast.
That’s news to my mailman!
Nice. See you all tomorrow.
…like I said I will be there sometime between 4 and 4:30, gotta come home after work and I’m bringing one of my kids.
@9c1: You can’t miss the car lol
So today is the 18th!!! Are those 2 dirty swine on unemployment yet?
I hope they get rejected and go broke, and all the corrupt scum that raises the money for their useless lives!!!!
I’m very interested in someone kindly posting the addresses of the “alien”, “rogue” FPD. It appears quite a few FPD are afraid, and they should be. Men willing to assault women and mistreat, even kill citizens should be made to suffer…death, almost too humane a reward for outrageously egregious actions. Please post addresses of these filthy animals asap. Thank you all in advance for posting such information.
That’s correct, they didn’t.
During that period of time they were also known as “Traffic Officers”.
All Fictitious scripts and not reality driven apperently.
People keep forgetting that after the numerous out of court settlements are paid and then the Kelly criminal case against Cyclops and Ramos plays out, there is the settlement of the civil suit. A similar suit in LA County not resulting in death cost $24,500,000. Fullerton is in a poor financial condition in comparison to a number of other cities in OC – example Laguna Woods & Cypress. Thus a settlement of that magnitude will result in huge expenditure cuts to services.
I have yet to see a Fullerton resident comment so far on this blog about the cost of the bloated Fullerton PD and its soaring liabilities. Fullerton is a self insured city, so taxpayers get ripped off! You voted for the three blind mice. What are you going to do now?
ffff You would have some cred if you got your facts right. You really should research, and put the stories out there factually.
Those of us who check out this blog would like to know that there is truth and honesty in what you print, but when the facts are so obviously wrong and misrepresented, no deal.
Admin, this is your responsibility!
So what facts aren’t right? I believe that data came from FPD, right?
Paul: Why would the people of Fullerton want to comment on this blog when there is so much dishonesty and vulgarity and you call an officer of this city a cyclops?
What do you think the good people of Fullerton are thinking about this? That you are all good upstanding citizens that they would want to have a conversation with? and when they say something you don’t like, you mentally flip them off?
Most of the Fullerton citizens are hard working, good, decent people who do not like to hear about or read that there city is what this blog says it is. You run down the city council members, you blast the police department, call the officers murderers, when there have been no convictions. You advocate boycotting certain businesses. Ron Thomas thinks he is in charge and you all allow him to go on his verbal rants against the city and then says, “Oh, by the way, I want twenty million dollars.” And then you wonder why people don’t say anything on here???
Bashala is going to be the loser in this mess, not the people of Fullerton. Who would want to vote him into office after what he has put on this blog? Or even his cronies.
Someday this will all be over and the people of Fullerton will pick up the pieces and go on improving the city and getting it back to rights in spite of what you think.
I’m surprised you don’t get it.
OK, let’s talk. First of all, I’ve never called any police officer a cyclops. My knowledge of cyclops are that they are enormous monsters who eat people and tend sheep. I do not believe for one moment that Officer Cicinelli tended sheep.
As far as the hard working good people of Fullerton, I’ve been talking to a LOT of them. EVERY SINGLE ONE without exception I’ve talked to are angry. Not at this blog, which just provides information, but at the Police department and the City Council. These are not prostesters, just ordinary people. If you really think they support City Council you are sadly out of touch with reality.
Tony Bushala is not running for office. Given that, there is no way that he can be the “loser.” Unless of course, the Police Department continues to brutalize and beat to death its citizens, in which case we all are the losers.
It is very simple. This blog provides information to the “ordinary people.” The ordinary people then decide for themselves. But if you really think they blame this blog for providing them with information then you are clueless beyond all belief.
And since you’re disputing the accuracy of the blog, tell us what is wrong with the paid leave estimates?
Kelly got the living s@#$ beat out of him and THEN he DIED. Since when do “good, decent” Fullerton people think a brutal murder is ok? Inquiring minds wanna know? You must live in a parallel universe. If people that you know dont want to hear about the truth then they are not good decent people. Good decent people stand up for what is right and take action. They dont turn a blind eye to the ultimate acts of depravity. But hey who gives a crap, my stomachs full, got money in the bank, and I gots my TV and it doesnt affect me. Yea right. Kelly Thomas and the Fullerton taxpayers are the real losers here
Hog Wild..You are Hog Wild right!!
Anonymous: Hog Wild and proud to be so!
Of course no one wants to see someone die. And no matter how Kelly died, people still don’t want to see their city run down and verbally chastised. People don’t want to continually read the vulgarity used on this blog. I have spoken with many persons who no longer read and or engage on this blog because of the “seemingly low class of people” (a quote from a citizen) on the blog.
Bushala may not run for city council but he was heard to say that he would “like to get my people in there.” True or not, I don’t know.
Maybe the people who are protesting should have a “Support Fullerton Day” protest.
As opposed to the “high class” of dedicated police officers like, just off the top of my head, Ramos, Cicinielli, Tong, Thayer, Mejia, Rincon, etc.?
People who are more offended by profanity than by the police bashing innocent people’s heads in – well, what can you say about that?
Here we go again! When are you going to get it? Ron Thomas is the cause of the cost to the city of Fullerton, not the police department.
Ron Thomas thinks he is in control and that the city is bowing to his protest. “I’m gonna tell momma on you!” Can’t you just hear him saying it? He is so disgusting. Letting his son die in the streets hungry, cold, naked, dirty, unkempt in everyway and having to steal from locked cars to find things to survive.
Kelly was so scary that people were afraid to help him, even if they wanted to. The whole thing is a sad situation but the only one to blame is Ron Thomas. Has anyone asked Ron how long since he had seen his son? Why did he not help him? Why didn’t he feed him at least, so he wouldn’t have to beg and steal? Why didn’t he take him some clean clothes once in a while. Ron had restricted KT from his house but that does not mean he was restricted from looking him up once in a while on the streets. Give him a little money, a hot meal now and then. A shower, haircut, pair of clean socks so the flesh on his feet wouldn’t be rotted.
RON THOMAS, HOW DARE YOU ASK FOR MONEY ON YOUR SON’S LIFE WHEN YOU REFUSED TO DO ANYTHING TO PREVENT HIS DEATH?
Jayn, Ron Thomas doesn’t run this blog. He probably doesn’t read this blog. Why don’t you write him a letter?
Whether homeless or not, cared for and loved by family or not, Kelly Thomas did not deserve to be beaten to death by six Fullerton Police Department officers. Ron Thomas’ actions in regard to his son have absolutely no bearing on the actions of the six officers who beat him to death and to try to link the two is ludicrous. Are you saying that if someone does not have family that cares for them then it is okay for police to brutally beat them to death? I suspect that when these perpetrators are looking for someone to brutalize, that is exactly what they are counting on–that some homeless schizophrenic guy has no one who cares about them so the police are safe to beat him without fear of retribution. I think they were shocked, and still are, to discover that they made a serious error when they thought they could do what they did to Kelly Thomas and no one would know or care. Same thing with all those women Rincon molested, Mam, Martinez, Quinonez, and others–probably many, many others.
JT: I was responding to Paul, who did call Cicinelli a cyclops. I don’t know if you did or not but I was not aware if you did. The cost to the City of Fullerton will be enormous, but that is why they have insurance. The money that will go to Ron Thomas should go to Cicinelli and Ramos. To call someone a murderer when there is no convictions is unconscionable. Hopefully Cici and Ramos will sue the city.
Come on. Are you going to tell me the Seal Beach killer is not a murderer? He hasn’t been convicted yet. It happens all the time but you think there shuold be some different standard for cops. We disagree.
Fred A. Are you the one putting out the printed stories?
Marijoe, jt, Stand Up – just to name a few… it is people like you that make people like me wonder what I’m doing here. Sheeeeeesh, your language and your comments are so over the top.
Jus’ wondering where you came from.
I come from here. And I don’t swear that much. So.. uh…. what the flying f___ are you talking about?
Jt: I was specifically referring to Cicinelli and Ramos as the officers who have been greatly maligned on this blog and called murderers without benefit of a trial. John and Ken have been very guilty of calling them murderers as well. I believe John referrerd to one of them, specifically Cicinelli, as a “One eyed murderer.” This is wrong! Very wrong! And the difference is that the Seal Beach man admitted that he shot those people. Big difference. Check the facts!!!!!
Wondering – go look on the internet. Everybody from President Obama to Mother Teresa has been called a murderer by somebody at some time. Now go read the First Amendment. It was not wrong to call Charles Manson a murderer before he was convicted; I’d argue that it is not wrong to refer to OJ Simpson as a murderer even though he was NOT convicted; and by that logic it is not problematic for citizens to call Ramos and Cicinelli killers or murderers even though they have not yet been convicted.
There is one thing I agree with you about, which is that it is not a nice thing to make light of someone’s disability, so I have never said anything about Cicinelli’s eye injury. That being said, the nature of that injury probably should have made him ineligible to be a police officer, and I agree with those who think that he may have had some psychological issues such as PTSD stemming from being shot. However, the many other FPD officers accused of crimes (either charged or just anecdotally) have no such excuses.
Glad to see I fired up one policeman!
I call Cyclops that name because he has one working eye, should not have been hired, is still on the force, and is going to cost the city big bucks.
Second, you are uninformed. The City of Fullerton is SELF INSURED. Self insured entities have chosen to save money (hopefully) by not paying huge insurance premiums that are based on previous payouts, and the insurance company’s full investigation into the practices involving and resulting in civil suits. So being self insured means NO insurance company investigation.
Thus, No insurance company is paying for Kelly Thomas, only the insurer of last resort, JOE AND JILL TAXPAYER!
Now I would speak nicely of Officer Cicinelli IF he was not collecting ONE AND TWO_THIRDS salaries, the 2/3 portion of which is TAX FREE! He got that lifetime pension because he was hit by 5 bullets and survived. Think of the psychological damage – I could see a desk job for him, but hiring him as a cop on the beat? Thats your ex – police chief!
Yes people of Fullerton are sick and tired of being called to task for this and other terrible incidents. But, like I said before they elected the buffoons thinking things like “Oh voting for a police chief for city council can’t be bad”! Well it is terrible if he is spending his time covering up for all his screwups!
And to tell you I am not cruel and heartless, I think Cicinelli should be getting paid, Fullerton should put the money into a trust account for Cicinelli and his family and if He is found not guilty AND no money is given out in a settlement, then he gets the money. Otherwise the money goes toward the settlement. Same for Ramos, he has 5 mouths to feed!
Not a police officer, too old for that. However, I do support them and I am involved. I am disappointed that some of the officers have been allowed to remian on the force under adverse conditions such as the I-pad theft and the sexual misconduct but that is the doings of the city council and the city manager. They should have never hired the has been Sellers to be Chief.
Cicinelli was hired with full clearance of mental and physical ability. Many people who have only one eye have just as good vision as people with two eyes. And officers who have to wear glasses are less capable, if they lose their glasses or contacts during an altercation they are a lot worse off that a one eyed officer. Scrambling on the ground for their glasses. If they wear contacts, forget it. They are done.
People with one eye have the ability to compensate over time, for the peripheral and develop an almost normal visual acuity. Don’t underestimate the one eyed people of this world. There are about fifty one eyed officers at this time.
For Cicinelli, the possibility that he may have traumatic brain injury if bullet/s entered his brain, is what makes it dangerous for him to be a police officer, even more so than having only one eye or having PTSD. People can have brain injury and be completely functional except that it causes them to have problems with impulse control and they often can become violent. This is something the prosecution should explore, too.
There is nothing for the prosecutor to explore. I have seen the medical reports and Cicinelli was not shot in the brain at all. Only through the nose and cheek bone wich took out his left eye.
He is a very calm and intelligent man. With his 15 years of experience, he has developed into an excellent officer and does his job well. Had he not answered the call to assist a fellow officer on July 5, he would have been fired.
Um, yeah, right. Only problem is all your crap is written present tense. That swine is finished as a cop. maybe he can get a job at the Brea Mall.
He he drop-kneed in the face then tasered a prone, helpless man five times. Then he smashed him in the face eight times. Cicinelli is a pathetic animal.
Yes, I find it interesting that an FPD officer can be fired for refusing to be involved in brutally beating a suspect/victim but not for brutally beating a victim, sexually abusing someone they have arrested, writing false reports, committing perjury, and a myriad of other crimes committed by FPD. But, I do believe you when you say that’s the reality. It’s pretty obvious.
How many civilian complaints have been filed against him?
Thanks for the information inquiring. I bet the position of police officer would be even less dangerous if it required better training on deescalating potentially violent situations. I do not doubt cops have to deal with unruly people on a regular basis; however with all of the cards stacked in their favor (the law, weapons, numbers, etc) and the fact that most are paid very handsomely, I think we should be able to expect a little more restraint than many of the FPD continues to show. I hope this department is the exception and not the rule.
Did anyone besides the ffff mob go to the John and Ken show at Fullerton PD?