FFFF Exclusive. The Crime Scene Photos that the FPD Forgot to Confiscate

When that cop intimidated Bunny and took her roll of film shortly after the brutal beating of Kelly Thomas, he didn’t realize that Bunny had already used up another roll of film taking pictures of the crime scene. She thought that roll was useless. She was mistaken.

That roll of film escaped the clutches of the Fullerton police and these photos were developed over the weekend:

The pictures are chilling, knowing what we know now about how Kelly died. Yes, we can see light reflected in the pool of blood near the cops feet – right next to the front right wheel of the patrol car. The light pole to the right of the picture is where Kelly’s Memorial has been set up.

The one thing that strikes me most is the way the FPD are not treating this like a crime scene.

Click on the pictures to enlarge.

663 Replies to “FFFF Exclusive. The Crime Scene Photos that the FPD Forgot to Confiscate”

    1. When a persons head has been literally split open like a cantaloup that fell onto the ground that is what you can expect to see.

      1. HEAD WOUNDS DO THAT BECAUSE BLOOD VESSELS ARE CLOSE TO THE SKIN. THAT’S WHY A CUT IN THE SCALP LOOKS WORSE THAN IT IS WHEN IT BLEEDS SO PROFUSELY!

        1. The guy is dead you dumb fuck! Basic cause and effect – deductive reasoning. If the guy is dead, and the police caused the wounds then the wounds lead to the death. Therefore the police caused the death. You can rearrange these elements any which way you choose. Capital Murder – death penalty. You need a lesson by example.

          1. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU BLATHERING ABOUT? KELLY DIED AS A RESULT OF HOMICIDE, AT THE HANDS OF ANOTHER, DUE TO BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA AND ASPHYXIATION!

        2. So you’re saying that the head wound was just superficial and he died of natural causes? Are you HIGH? Did you even LOOK at the photos of his head? His nose was plugged with huge pieces of gauze full of blood. The wounds were not restricted to his scalp. Why on god’s earth would you try and minimize this horror?

          1. Because he’s a fucking lunatic idiot who needs a taste of what Kelly got in order for just about ANYTHING that doesn’t match his narrative to sink in.

      2. At the time he got his ass kicked for fighting and running from the police. Big deal. His dad pulled the plug 5 days later. Happens all the time with civilians too. Crimes scenes are quick and to the point. If someone dies later, then some back tracking is done as in this case. Justice is up to the DA. If he says no, then no it is. If he says yes, then it’s up to our peers to decide. It’s not up to this biased blog thats for sure.

        1. Reality ls :At the time he got his ass kicked for fighting and running from the police. Big deal. His dad pulled the plug 5 days later. Happens all the time with civilians too. Crimes scenes are quick and to the point. If someone dies later, then some back tracking is done as in this case. Justice is up to the DA. If he says no, then no it is. If he says yes, then it’s up to our peers to decide. It’s not up to this biased blog thats for sure.

          Reality ls :It’s getting harder for me to defend the Fullerton PD

          http://greaterlongbeach.com/31/08/2011/the-kelly-thomas-case-involuntary-manslaughter-or-felony-murder

  1. At the time he got his ass kicked for fighting and running from the police. Big deal. His dad pulled the plug 5 days later. Happens all the time with civilians too. Crimes scenes are quick and to the point. If someone dies later, then some back tracking is done as in this case. Justice is up to the DA. If he says no, then no it is. If he says yes, then it’s up to our peers to decide. It’s not up to this biased blog thats for sure.

    1. It would have been fine and dandy if the officers would have stopped at an old fashion ass kicking, but many of us think that having his brains beat out was a little excessive.

    2. Stupid halfwit he had a Constitutional right to flee from you asstards. You know nothing about Constitutional law.

    3. THAT’S NOT TRUE, CRIME CAN BE EXTENSIVE AND BE VERY TIME INTENSIVE WHEN YOU CONDUCT A PROPER AND THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. THEY ARE NOT QUICK AND TO THE POINT DOUCHE!

    4. nothing fine and dandy about an ass-kicking. A cop’s job is to identify and apprehend suspects for the courts to handle. It’s NOT their duty to serve the death penalty without a trial. Kelly’s father’s profession is training cops to properly handle suspects, after years of serving on the streets. He nailed it with “contempt of cop”, and also pointed out that that’s NOT the way they are trained to handle ANY unarmed suspect.
      ALSO, it was no secret that Kelly was a homeless local – known on that beat – who suffered from schizophrenia. Those cops were supposedly trained to identify the mentally ill suspect and handle him accordingly. Witnesses say Kelly struggled. Very likely, as he wasn’t on meds. But he would have to have been superhuman or on angel dust to be a threat to 6 cops, unarmed and weighing well under 150 lbs.
      Big Deal? Fine and dandy? Sorry brothers. Out of line and homicidal. Manslaughter if you wanna be a sweetheart about it.

      This DA has a history of sweeping this kind of crap under the carpet, and we see it coming. That’s why we’re not backing down until he presses charges.

      1. Please come out and join the peaceful protest/sit in at the DA’s office Sept 16th 3pm -hell no we wont let this go…charges MUST be brought….this protest is to draw attention to Tbones abysmal record of NOT prosecuting LEO’s through out his 15 year career….not only for the sake of Kelly Thomas…but all others who have NOT received justice. Tbone is bought & paid for by the police & sheriff unions who have secured his post as DA….enough is enough….he works for US, not them!!

    5. can you at least use different words when you post under two names? people have decided to believe another version than the one almost covered up by fpd. too bad for you

  2. pictures of Nazi’s, their cars and onlookers near the pool of blood-thank you Bunny, wonder if there are other photos out there, wonder if anyone can recognize those onlookers.

    JUSTICE FOR KELLY. We will get our own evidence- not waiting for those lying coverup artists to release their fake shit

    Everybody who sees pictures of Kelly in the hospital bean to death and now these becomes a witness

      1. Merijoe can say whatever she wants to say. Got it, lowlife? Her comments are constructive and reasonable; you tend to pi$$ me and other people off with your asinine comments.

        Justice for Kelly and those killer cops need to charged with capital murder (and recieve the maximum sentence).

        Period.

        1. BTW my comment was directed at this so-called Fullerton Stalker; no one else, if anyone is wondering.

          Keep on keeping on, Merijoe. Alot of people are watching this story from other places.
          Also watching what what happens with NOPD/Danziger Bridge trial, sentencing.

          PS A NOPD cop did get the death sentence for a murder that he was involved in. I think it was a contract murder; the case is a few years old.

          1. SURFER, BEEN FOLLOWING THAT CASE AS WELL. NOPD HAS BEEN KNOWN TO BE A VERY CORRUPT DEPT. FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND NOTHING WAS DONE. IT IS STILL BAD, WHEN IS DOJ GOING TO GO IN THERE AN CLEAN IT UP?

          2. It’s me again. OK looked it up on NOPD sentencing. The former NOPD cop’s name is Len Davis; I assume that he is sitting on Death Row in Louisiana. The sentence was upheld in 1999, but the witness tampering conviction was apparently overturned. The feds were involved; Internal Affairs was investigating a WITNESS TAMPERING CASE where Davis ordered the hit on the person who talked to IA
            See any similarities here?
            Don’t get your hopes up, but these cops might not walk away from this. These FPD cops may be in some deep merde.

  3. 1) Please provide evidence that Kelly “fought” with police.

    2) Please provide a link to the California penal code that shows officers have the right to bludgeon someone to death, provided he has “run” from them.

    3) Loss of life IS a “big deal” — unless you are an uncaring sociopath.

    4) Kelly’s family took him off life support because he was brain dead (due to the beating by FPD’s “finest”).

    5) “Justice is up to the DA” — FALSE!!!!!! Justice is up to the citizens and the government that serves the citizens at the local, state, and federal level. The DA is not the sole arbiter of justice. In case you missed the news, the FBI and DOJ have been involved in this case since almost the beginning, so the OCDA is NOT the final (or only) word (although I’m sure you wish he were, “officer”).

    1. Those animals with badges dont have a right to do what they want – they are just to arrest a person not split their skull open especially if the person is unconcious-just like they arent allowed to rape someone in their car or speed for no reason-but unfortuately this shit is constantly covered up by the powers that be ie- the DA, and they think they are above the law.
      Not anymore, those neandrathals went too far -this aint going away-you hear trolls?
      Loud and clear – this is NOT going away and you can bite my pink ass-tell all your friends, bosses and family members

      1. Read the article and saw the photo of Kelley Thomas on life support.

        Rest in Peace, Kelley. I never knew you but I think that youre in a better place.

        The cops who did this will answer for this murder; I think this attorney knows what he is talking about.

        Tried posting this reply earlier but the Internet keeps shutting down.

    2. JUSTICE IS UP TO EITHER A FEDERAL GRAND JURY OR A JURY OF THESE COPS PEERS! THE PEERS CONSIST OF YOU AND ME!

    3. “Save us”,
      1) Witnesses state that Kelly suddenly bolted after having been calmly sitting, and then having a cop saying something to him, apparently spooking him with a threat or something. And at first his arms may have been up in an attempt to block blows. The approaching officer(s) HAD to know that Kelly was a homeless man, and it’s generally assumed that someone in his disheveled state was not of sound mind. Threatening him makes for a “good” excuse to chase him down and beat him for “resisting”. Study the schizophrenic mind. It’s no good to tell someone to “stop resisting” when you can bank on them not being of sound mind. You just knock ’em down and go for the limbs. I’ve seen it done RIGHT many times by only 2 cops.

      2) Yeah. Bring it. No cop i’ve talked to can come up with that one.

      3, 4 and 5) DITTO.

  4. Last time I saw blood like that was when I was 7 years old. Some guy on a motorcycle got rear ended and thrown off his motorcycle. He was in the middle of the two lane road and blood had flowed to the south side of the street. The man died later that night in the hospital due to his injuries. Maaaaaan, that is just chilling to see a scene like that.

    1. SHOULD WE PRINT THEM OUT AND TAKE THEM DOWN TO THE POST OFFICE AND PUT THEM NEXT TO THE FBI WANTED POSTERS?

  5. Really??? A lot of blood??? You people just want to see what you want to see!!! And these pictures don’t show anything we all ready didn’t know!! I’m confused as to what these pictures prove???

  6. Fullerton Stalker :
    At the time he got his ass kicked for fighting and running from the police. Big deal. His dad pulled the plug 5 days later. Happens all the time with civilians too. Crimes scenes are quick and to the point. If someone dies later, then some back tracking is done as in this case. Justice is up to the DA. If he says no, then no it is. If he says yes, then it’s up to our peers to decide. It’s not up to this biased blog thats for sure.

    So it’s up to the D.A. to decide? How about a trial by jury of your peers? You sound a bit wobbly.

    1. Unless the public presses the issue, there will be no justice for Kelly. Does this pool of blood do anything at all to the trolls on this site?

      1. No is doesn’t. Not Fuc&ing at all.

        Obviuosly if we have an opinion you dont like, we are an officer, PD wife, moron or a troll.

        You have alreadt judged, tried and convicted these men?

        How is that right for any citized to be judged tried and convicted with out hearing the other side.

        1. Perhaps a better question might be:

          How is it right for any unarmed citizen (correct spelling) to be tried, convicted, beaten into a coma, and eventual death by a group of out-of-control cops??

          “Obviuosly if we have an opinion you dont like, we are an officer, PD wife, moron or a troll.” — Based on your past posts, I would have to say you qualify for a minimum of TWO of these categories.

        2. SAVE the Fullerton Cops :
          No is doesn’t. Not Fuc&ing at all.
          Obviuosly if we have an opinion you dont like, we are an officer, PD wife, moron or a troll.
          You have alreadt judged, tried and convicted these men?
          How is that right for any citized to be judged tried and convicted with out hearing the other side.

          its is quite easy without blind ball licking. really no problem at all officer, wifey,moron, troll

  7. Really (pun intended), what is with the multiple question and exclamation marks??? Does it help convince you that your opinion is that much more correct??? I bet it does!!!

    You’re so right!!! It’s a bunch of cops standing around an obvious oil spill!!!

    What were we thinking???

  8. How did that roll of film escape? It figures that the FPD is too incompetent to properly commit a halfway decent cover-up.

    Obviously not for lack of trying.

    1. “How did that roll of film escape? It figures that the FPD is too incompetent to properly commit a halfway decent cover-up.”
      Bunny explains that in her interview.

      1. Will be great hearing bunny testify in court that she was drunk off her ass and she gave the cop the film not because he asked but because he looked mean and scary LOL

  9. I see that the fire heroes were on scene. Haven’t heard a peep out of any of them. Those cowardly rat bastards are complicit in the silence.

    1. EMS and Fire responding to calls where violence is concerned are staged out of the area (usually a couple blocks away). If they saw anything, they’d have documented it.

      I’m really interested if Kelly had to be intubated on scene.

      1. INTUBATED AND HOOKED UP WITH A LOT OF IV’S TO REPLACE THE BLOOD LOSS HE SUFFERED! IF HE COULDN’T BREATHE ON HIS OWN AFTER HIS WINDPIPE WAS CRUSHED THEY MAY HAVE HAD TO DO AN INCISION IN HIS THROAT TO INSERT A BREATHING TUBE, BYPASSING THE DAMAGE THROAT!

          1. THINKING THIS IS WHY IT TOOK SO LONG FOR THE AMBULANCE TO TAKE OFF! IT’S A SURGICAL PROCEDURE AND IT HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT AND WITH ER PERMISSION, WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT KELLY’S PULSE, RESPIRATIONS AND BLOOD PRESSURE WAS.

          2. it wouldnt take that long-a few minutes with the right people performing it and im sure a doctor was there by skype or phone

      2. EMS and Fire weren’t even called until it was all over. I bet it took them at least 5-10 minutes just to get there after the call.

    2. What? and get killed by the cops too?
      Nobody’s talkin till the power to kill is taken from these cops.
      These cops have to realize that the hounds are coming, and they are making plans.

    3. I wonder if the DA has taken eyewitness statements from all responding emergency personnel, or does the blue code of silence extend to them also?

  10. Ron Thomas said his son was bleeding out….in other words bleeding to death! These bastards let it happen!

    1. The Fullerton Savage, as far as I know they are the first photos showing officers on the scene.

      Hey, when are you going to write another post? I like the way you think&write.

    1. Excellent post, MJ.

      Was Kelly actually under arrest or being arrested when he was murdered? If this has been posted here, forgive the dumb question. Things move pretty fast on FFFF and it’s easy to miss things.

      Was an arrest report ever filed? If so, for what?

      Thanks.

      1. It’s my understanding he was not under arrest prior to being beaten to death, and was certainly not competent to be Mirandized, which would invalidate any alledged arrest that might be claimed. But who knows what they’ll claim.

    2. Thank you for NOT feeding the trolls.
      Trolls are ignorant and incapable of conversation.
      We are here to bring this message from Kelly Thomas, to the public, not convince the face-less, cowardly troll who’s comments are pointless.

  11. None of us would know anything about this were it not for FFFF. Once again, thank you.

    Question: can anyone clarify what is happening in the last photo?

    1. I dont know whats happening but it looks as though there nis a female cope on scene as wll as a firetruck – no one looks like they are too concerned either-cold blooded bastards

        1. I hope Bunny will be around to clarify. My first assumption when looking at the enlarged version of the last photo is that Kelly may be the man who’s eyes are shining as he looks directly into the camera. Is that possible?

          And yes, it does look like there is a female officer standing at the far right of the group. I’m uncertain if that is a bun on the back of her knob of if it’s something in the background.

          1. That’s not Kelly. And the female officer is CSI, she wasn’t involved. When the photos were taken, Kelly Thomas was long gone in the ambulance.

  12. Fullerton stalker is related to one of the 6 cops. Well you know what asshole, the 6 cops lives are ruined, there wives will leave them and there kids will be haunted for years by schooled yard bullies, and oh yes the may even go to jail. There lives and the lives of there families with be miserable, I am fucking delighted. So fuck off with your small cock

    1. The officers families don’t deserve what they will get, have a heart for them. Most cops wives are abused anyway by their cop husbands.

  13. That is a lot of blood.

    I finally made it to the site this weekend, I am so glad I did.
    While sitting in my car a red heart balloon lifted from the memorial and slowly floated away (surreal I know).
    It occurred to me as I watched that balloon slowly float away that a man’s soul left his body in much the same manner; a living, breathing, feeling human being left this world unnecessarily.

    1. YOU CAN STILL SEE THE BLOOD STAINED CONCRETE AT THE BUS TERMINALTHERE ARE TWO SITES, ONE WHERE THEY STARTED THE BEATING AND THEN THE FINAL SITE WHERE THEY DRUG KELLY TO FINISH OFF THE BEATING!

  14. Do the faces match the names? Are there more involved then led to believe? Where are the “good cops” who would not stand for this sort behavior? The thin blue line does exist in Fullerton. Where else? Does OC even care about this sort of abuse/murder or do they simply wait till it happens to them or someone they know to take action? Why is not all of OC, who do not want to see this kind of behavior, out in support of their fellow OC citizens? Dont wait till it happens to you or someone you know, stand with all the people on each and every Saturday demanding justice in all of OC. A violation to one is a violation to all!

        1. I’m not going to divulge the names of the uninvolved, innocent officers. Some people take this to extremes that if somebody was present on scene [long after the beating, no less] they too must be guilty.

          1. Well Vernon, while I can appreciate that there may be hotheads around, I personally just want to know the name, face, and propensity to use unnecessary and excessive force of every one of the public employees armed and trained to “serve and protect” me.

            Don’t you?

          2. Vern-Ive just about had it with the protection cries of you ids – they ARE guilty by their silence

            if you dont want to name them, then shut the hell up cause no one gives a damn if you know them but wont say

        2. seems like those who know are sprouuting their BS coverup they- “dont think it will serve any purpose to name the innocent ones”

      1. Question for Vernon: You noted that “most” of the officers in these new photographs were not involved. Assuming you are being truthful here — and I am making that assumption — are you intimating that at least one of Kelly’s attackers are in these photos?

        Thanks.

        1. Make that “IS in these photos.” Sheesh. Cut and paste gaffe.

          You guys are a tough crowd. You don’t suffer typos very patiently.

          1. Nobody is picking on me here, FedUp. Nobody ever has, really. A couple of trolls now and then, but for the most part everyone has been very cool to me. Even you. Thank you for that.

            I was making a little joke, that’s all. No need to blow a neck bolt.

            It would be nice if you would stop yelling.

            I agree with you that there is definite “complicity by silence” in the FDP. No doubt about that. No doubt.

            I’ll wager a lot of FPD families are being quietly eaten alive by this outrage. Sooner or later somebody will pop, and then go public. A Fullerton PD wife or girlfriend, maybe.

            The longer we keep the pressure on by staying together, remaining united and refusing to leave, the better it is for Kelly.

            I enjoy your posts, BTW.

          2. SD THAT’S GOOD TO KNOW! THANK YA KINDLY FOR YOUR NICE COMMENTS. I THINK 9C1 IS NAPPING OR HE’D BE TYPING AWAY ME THINKS!

          3. Even if they were on scene only after Thomas had already been taken away in an ambulance?

            That’s when these pictures were taken.

          4. Yeah Right…According to people on here the PD, Mayor, Counsel Members, DA, Fire Department, Wives, the Children and the Slide Bar are all involved, should be charged and should suffer.

            Thats great.

    1. i would like to hear from ONE cop that was “outraged” at his former “heavyhandedness” and “bragging” later………………….. crickets………………there are no ,” good cops ” in Fullerton

      1. Yes. Cops that win fights or shootouts or save lives with force or death brag. Why wouldn’t you brag when you go home safe and your life was that close to being gone? Or that close to serious injury in Kelly’s case? Yes bragging is good at times. It’s not just Fullerton. It’s every cop in the world when it comes to that.

  15. 2nd pic, cop on far right appears to be yawning..
    geesh..

    and i wonder if those two witnesses have been interviewed??

  16. I recognize two of the cops in pic#2 Officer Jay Cicinelli and another one I’m not sure of his name. Also the guy with his arms crossed is a regular around the area.I’m not sure whats going on in the last picture but it looks like some sort of scuffle.

  17. I doubt these cops were the ones who did the beating. They’re just around helping to contain the situation and harass any unsuspecting witnesses.

  18. Vernon Dozier :That’s not Kelly. And the female officer is CSI, she wasn’t involved. When the photos were taken, Kelly Thomas was long gone in the ambulance.

    Ok. Got it. Thanks.

    1. @ Vernon How long has she worked for FPD as CSI? Cause when I was robbed in 08 the FPD told me she had been cut due to money problems. Was I lied to?

  19. merijoe??
    your comment from last night??

    #188 by merijoe on September 4, 2011
    I heard from an ambulance driver of that night that it was 17 minutes waiting for the commander (I guess thats protocol) who never bothered to show BTW- so they left

    are EMTs not allowed to help a patient w/out the commander there?? or was it too late??

    1. Im just repeating what I read, I would help in a situation like that, and have, without “higher up” permission- but that doesnt mean others would

  20. fedupwithmorons :
    WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW AND SOONER OR LATER THEIR NAMES AND IDENTITIES WILL BE REVEALED IN COURT!

    Look, I have no obligation to tell you anything. The names of the uninvolved officers are irrelevant.

  21. NO ONE ASKED YOU TO REVEAL ANYTHING, BUT WHY ARE YOU HERE TROLLING IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE IN THIS CAUSE TO SEEK JUSTICE?

    1. What do you mean trolling? I just don’t see the relevance of revealing officers’ identities who had nothing to do with the beating. FFFF and the family wants the truth. Interjecting with other officers’ names is not helpful.

        1. Helpful in what way?

          Take a deep breath and think about what you’re saying. Knowing the names of uninvolved officers has no bearing on the case.

          1. YOU MUST BE AN INCOMPETENT IDIOT OF THE WORST KIND. THE OFFICERS THAT RESPONDED TO THE SCENE SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN REPORTS AS TO THEIR ROLE IN THE INCIDENT? DID THEY? PROBABLY NOT, BECAUSE FPD IS INEPT AT EVERYTHING IT DOES.
            I READ THOSE PDF FILE FOR THE CATALYTIC CONVERTOR THEFTS, AND I CAN SAY I NEVER READ SLOPPIER REPORTS IN MY LIFE!!!!!!!!!! TOTAL INCOMPETENCE. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOUR HIRE GED COPS!

          2. BTW OFFICERS THAT ROLLED UP LATER WILL MORE THAN LIKELY BE SUBPOENAED AND HAVE TO TESTIFY, SO, WE WILL KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT ROLL THEY PLAYED! I HOPE A GRAND JURY GETS TO YOU ASSHOLES FIRST THOUGH!

  22. still love fullerton :
    merijoe??
    your comment from last night??
    #188 by merijoe on September 4, 2011
    I heard from an ambulance driver of that night that it was 17 minutes waiting for the commander (I guess thats protocol) who never bothered to show BTW- so they left
    are EMTs not allowed to help a patient w/out the commander there?? or was it too late??

    That is 100% bullshit. The fire department and ambulance was on scene for a very short time. I would know, I was there.

  23. Look, I have no obligation to tell you anything. The names of the uninvolved officers are irrelevant.

    LOL, wrong and wrong. Wanna explain yourself?

    1. What do you mean wrong and wrong? Explain why I’m obligated to tell you anything and why the other officers’ names matter?

  24. MERIJOE….WHAT COMMANDER? THE POLICE COMMANDER? THE ONE WHO WATCHED THE DEBACLE GO DOWN IN THE CONFINES OF HIS OFFICE ? THE ASSTARD THAT DIDN’T LIFT A FINGER TO HELP KELLY?
    THERE ARE COWARDS RUNNING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. NOTHING LEFT TO SAY!

  25. MORE ARROGANCE FROM THE CLOWNS HIDING OUT IN THEIR BUNKER! VERNON IS A JACKASS AND IF HE WAS A PART OF THIS, HIS IDENTITY NEEDS TO BE REVEALED!

      1. I don’t think Vernon is a troll, and to call him that is unfair. At least he’s here with the rest of us, contributing what he feels he can. His opinion of what’s important or not is his, he shouldn’t have to defend himself for having an opinion just as the rest of us don’t. I think the names of every cop on the scene should be released too, at the least they’re innocent at the worst they’re witnesses or accessories before or after the fact. But if Vernon disagrees that’s his right, end of story.

    1. If you want to believe that, go right ahead. It doesn’t change the fact that I can personally attest to your comment about the EMT’s being false.

      1. WELL? WHY DON’T YOU TAKE A BURDEN OFF OF YOUR SOUL, IF YOU HAVE ONE AND REVEAL WHAT YOU KNOW? NO ONE SAYS YOU HAVE TO DO IT HERE, CALL THE THOMAS’ LAWYER!

  26. fedupwithmorons :Unless the public presses the issue, there will be no justice for Kelly. Does this pool of blood do anything at all to the trolls on this site?

    Yes Fedup, it attracts them the same way blood attracts Sharks. Kind of like when those saddistic nazi badged thugs beat on Kelly. The more he cried out, the more they beat him. I’d bet once we see the tape from city camera, or even hear the audio DARs, we will see or hear the beating get more fierce the more Kelly cried out. Now getting back to these trolls, I have noticed on this from FFFF alone, that whenever something revealing like these photos show up, the trolls pop out with their rediculous defenses for the undertrained and underqualified FPD.

  27. THEY ARE RUNNING SCARED, THAT’S WHY THEY COME IN HERE SPREADING LIES AND BS. I CONCUR WITH YOUR VERY ASTUTE OBSERVATIONS!

    1. MERIJOE, THAT LIEUTENANT KNEW THERE WAS TROUBLE AND HE STAYED AWAY LIKE THE COWARD AND JACKASS THAT HE WAS. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE SUPERVISING THE INVESTIGATION. I THINK HE KNEW IT WAS ALREADY TOO LATE FOR KELLY!

        1. MERI, WAS THIS A CITY AMBULANCE OR ONE OF THE CONTRACT TYPE, LIKE, “CARE”? I HOPE SOMEONE GOT THE FIREDUDES STATEMENTS!

          1. You are an ignorant fool. Fullerton’s ambulance service is contracted out to CARE. There are no City of Fullerton ambulances.

            Next time you see an ambulance in Fullerton, check the door area for a sign that says FUL A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, A6.

      1. What’s the matter with you, calling me a Nazi lover?

        I’m not a cop, I don’t work for the government, and I’m not against public disclosure. You and others are jumping all over me because I won’t tell you names of UNINVOLVED officers. What purposes does that serve? Knowing their names does not help you, the family, or the attorney.

        Can you tone it down a bit? Like you, I have no sympathy for corrupt cops.

  28. SINCE FULLERTON PD HAS ITS OWN ACADEMY, AND IT IS THE SOURCE OF THESE CROOKED COPS OUT THERE CONDUCTING THUGGERY ON THE PUBLIC, I WONDER IF POST CAN SHUT THE MESS DOWN?

  29. Is the California state police or the Attorney General of California involved in any investigation into this, or are City of Fullerton and Orange County District Attorney getting away without anyone above them seeing into whether they deliver justice or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0PB4o9GH2A&ob=av3e “We’re not against cops. We’re not against police. But we are against those THUGS (thugs, thugs, thugs…)” This song is the theme song for those six (6) THUGS in uniform who killed Kelly Thomas. And they need to be brought to justice. Police need to not be thugs in uniform, but those six (6) are exactly that. They need to be taken out of uniform. Those 6 members of the Fullerton police acted more like gang members and thugs than police officers.

  30. Kelly’s heart stopped a couple times in the ambulance.

    Excessive bleeding means there isn’t enough blood supplying oxygen to the tissues that need it. The brain can’t function and shuts down, and in addition its cells being to die quickly, much more so than any other cells in the body. Brain cells can’t survive without oxygen for more than about 4 minutes. It’s a period of 4 to 7 minutes in which CPR can be effective in restoring life, but usually irreversible damage has been done that will continue to affect the person. Since the brain controls the heart, the heart stops functioning as soon as the brain does– not that it matters too much because there isn’t much blood to pump. After about 7 minutes, the brain is completely dead. Other tissues die soon thereafter.

    1. So, what you’re saying is that Mr Thomas was effectively brain dead when he was driven away in the ambulance, after he was kept waiting by the cops on the scence?

  31. SO WHAT YOU’RE SAYING IS THAT THE INCOMPETENTS TRAIN OTHER PERSONNEL FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS? SAY, IT ISN’T SO. POST NEEDS TO SHUT THIS CRAP DOWN AND DO IT NOW! THEY SHUT LASD ACADEMY DOWN FOR STUPID CRAP AND THIS IS WAY WORSE THAN ANYTHING LASD DID!

      1. THEY TRAIN FPD THERE, BUT OTHER AGENCIES USE THE ACADEMY AS WELL AND PAY FOR THEIR RECUIT’S ATTENDANCE. IT IS AN ACADEMY RUN THROUGH THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE SO THE RECRUITS GET COLLEGE UNITS FOR PASSING THE COURSE.

        1. I AM TRYING TO REMEMBER IF FULLERTON DIDN’T ONCE SEND THEIR PEOPLE TO THE OCSD ACADEMY? WOULD HAVE BEEN A LONG TIME AGO. IF NOT THERE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN GOLDEN WEST ACADEMY.

  32. THEREFORE, THERE WAS NO EXCITED DELIRIUM NO ANYTHING BUT, AN INNOCENT MAN BLUGEONED TO DEATH BY ROGUE COPS. FPD LET RON THOMAS, ONE OF THEIR BROTHERS DOWN THAT NIGHT!

  33. Vernon Dozier :You are an ignorant fool. Fullerton’s ambulance service is contracted out to CARE. There are no City of Fullerton ambulances.
    Next time you see an ambulance in Fullerton, check the door area for a sign that says FUL A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, A6.

    Vern, it wouldn’t surprise us if you had a sign on your forehead that read ‘Ful-o-shit”.

    1. That’s the funniest comment I’ve read all day. Show me a photo of an ambulance owned by the City of Fullerton. They don’t exist!

  34. Doing well Fedup. I see you have too. Didn’t Bunny say her 35mm had a telephoto lens? I wonder where she was when she took these shots. These must have been taken incognito, then she must have moved closer when she put the new roll in.

  35. I AM THINKING SHE DIDN’T GET TOO CLOSE BUT USED A TELEFOTO LENSE TO GET THE PICS. THEY ARE A BIT BLURRY BUT SAY A LOT!

    1. WOW! Thanks for solving the case. You should offer your services to the the DA and help out with this investigation with your special talents. (Sarcasm, of course)

  36. WOW! Thanks for solving the case. You should offer your services to the the DA and help out with this investigation with your special talents. (Sarcasm, of course)

  37. Oh, it is FEDUP’s birthday today. As the song goes;
    Put another candle on your birthday cake, your another CENTURY old to-day. Oh, am I gonna git it.

  38. Vernon:

    Respectfully, I think we’re on the same side, but this thread is getting convoluted because you are referrring to some information you have that the rest of us might not have and that you don’t feel like sharing with us. I understand you not wanting to share names of officers you feel are uninvolved, but if you have other pertinent information I think it would make more sense to just write it up in a paragraph or two and post it for us.

    thanks!

    1. Hello jt,

      With merijoe and FEDUPWITHMORONS berating me with accusations of being a nazi, nazi lover, troll, for the most innocent of comments, it’s not worth my time to say anything more.

      1. NEVER CALLED YOU A NAZI, A TROLL YES….SO IF YOU’RE LEAVING, DON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YA ON THE WAY OUT!

      2. Yeah, I wish they wouldn’t. We have a real battle here, and its not with each other.

        Hope you share it on some other occasion then.

  39. I am really looking forward to the next round, where actual pictures, evidence, autopsy reports and the such come out.

    1. Don’t listen to Mr. Hendrie, the football team at Belmont will be excellent this year. Unless I get the job with Notre Dame.

  40. STAY AWAY FROM NOTRE DAME, THEY DON’T WANT YOU THERE. IN FACT, I WILL GIVE MY FRIEND WHO REALLY DOES WORK THERE, THAT YOU ARE ENROUTE!

  41. Gadzook Vern-you are a damn fruitfly you kep swatting away but it annoyinly keeps coming back just to spread disease

  42. Wrong Guy, she is quite spry for a woman of her advanced in years. 2001 years young, and still kickin’. Boy, she is going to GIT the Louieville Slugger out on this one.

  43. Fedup-there is a big rally for Kelly in front of the Museum on Wilshire in Fullerton on that day and time, but I can go to both

  44. Does anyone see the image in the 6’th picture between the cops? I swear if that isn’t Satan himself shoot me dead now!

      1. All you STUPID excuses for Fullerton COPS! May I let you know that I promise you that your department WILL BE DISBANDED and YOU ALL WILL be out of a job! Bring on the OC Sheriff. I’m sick and tired just as the majority of Fullertonians are about paying your salary. All you are, are F’N BULLIES! Take away your gun badge and tazer and you ARE NOTHING!

      2. Erin – Just a tip, I think you are responding to conversations that aren’t about you. fedup and 9c1copcar know each other. both ex law enforcement, I think, both on the right side as are most of the people here.

          1. CLEAN HOUSE TOP TO BOTTOM, INSIDE OUT. GET RID OF FPD ACADEMY. HAVE CIVILIANS SIT ON RECRUIT HIRING BOARDS, AUDIT TRAINING AT FACILITY THAT YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO SEND RECRUITS TO.

          2. As I’ve been saying since this started we need a civilian review board with some teeth. Does anyone know what’s involved with getting one started?

        1. but watching them burn up will still be satisfying and a lesson to other GED minded bullies. Quartzite, Arizona and NOLA recently got their bull called too. i doubt anger management issues ever go away. at 59 i’m still as angry at police/authority as i was at twelve with my first “tussle”. i find it strange that when the military interpreted my test scores they wanted me to be an officer and a policeman. after training they noticed i was only 17. good/bad? there is no way to tell. we need investigators not some guys nephew who cant get a real job where he has to work with people.

  45. I was just thinking; I wonder what the responding units thoughts were that night when they finally rolled up to the scene. I bet EVERY ONE of them was thinking WTF!!

    1. YEAH AND WONDERING HOW THEY WERE GOING TO GET AWAY FROM IT UNSCATHED.
      I AM WONDERING IF THAT SERGEANT IN THE PHOTO IS THE ONE THAT ARRIVED LATE TO THE SCENE AND GOT HIS LICKS IN ON KELLY TOO? ANYONE KNOW WHO THAT SGT IS?

      1. The Sgt and 6 cops are all here posting. We are just enjoying our time off waiting out the process. The whole on duty PD was there that night. Just a few involved directly in this incident.

        The whole story will come out soon enough. Someone should write a book with all the posts here and compare it to actually happened when you know in a few months.

        See ya in court or when we are back on the streets soon.

    2. Would be interesting to know your true story copcar. I have a feeling you ate something close to Ron Thomas. Academy graduate, couldn’t hang on the streets, sat in jails for awhile, maybe became a bailiff. Something is off with you. You either quit, got fired, couldn’t hang, or something. Your vibe is definitely not from a career cop that’s for sure.

      1. MERI IT REFERS TO A TYPE OF COP CAR. ENGINE TYPE, EQUIPMENT AND SO ON. 9C1 LOVES OLD CHEVY CAPRICES COP CARS!

          1. IF SISSYNELLI HAD ANY AUTHORITY, HE MIGHT BE A CORPORAL WHICH WOULD MAKE HIM A FIELD SUPERVISOR JUST UNDER A SERGEANT.

  46. Maybe it is an oil spill!! or maybe the picture was taken before the K-9 unit arrived.
    Can a K-9 be charged with tampering with evidence? or would it be the handler.

    1. THE EVIDENCE AT THE SCENE WOULD BE BLOOD ON THE GROUND, FOOT PRINTS, BLOODY BUTT END OF TASERS, BLOODY UNIFORMS, BRUISED AND CUT KNUCKLES O OFFICERS AND OF COURSE. KELLY’S BACKPACK ANDTHE CONTENTS WITHIN IT. NOT TOO MUCH FOR K9 TO DISRUPT!

        1. Was the bloody tazer gun held as evidence? if not why not? the tazer guns log every time the tazer is used was the tazer’s log recorded for evidence?

      1. But thanks for missing us. I know agreeing with each other and complementing lame pics can gets boring real fast.

      1. But thanks for missing us. I know agreeing with each other and complementing lame pics can gets boring real fast.

        1. Unlike you, I am a multi-tasker. You were all just complaining none of us were on and now you’re attacking me again. So, I guess you’re happy to see I’m back on.

        2. Unlike you, I am a multi-tasker. You were all just complaining none of us were on and now you’re attacking me again. So, I guess you’re happy to see I’m back on.

  47. About one third of the posts on the original “Bunny Video” thread wasted bandwidth dragging her through the mud. NOW she is a credible witness. Her statements are backed up by photographic evidence.

    Can’t wait to see how Fullerton’s mayor squirms over this.

    Supporting you from the Great Midwest, go get em!

    1. St. Louis Mo :
      About one third of the posts on the original “Bunny Video” thread wasted bandwidth dragging her through the mud. NOW she is a credible witness. Her statements are backed up by photographic evidence.
      Can’t wait to see how Fullerton’s mayor squirms over this.
      Supporting you from the Great Midwest, go get em!

      Agreed, St. Louis. I thought same thing remembering that thread. Thanks for the support.

        1. As I said on an earlier thread, I have personally spoken with Bunny in the past, and found her to be an extremely credible witness. I might note that Bunny was also a very scared Bunny after being intimidated and harassed by officers at the scene of Kelly Thomas’s murder. I salute Bunny’s courage and also salute the members of our community who have encouraged Bunny to come forward and do the right thing. I couldn’t be prouder right now to live amongst such people.

  48. WRONG, SOMETHING CAME OVER YOU, YOU ARE POSSESSED WITH A NEW SELF CONFIDENCE! THAT BY ITSELF MAKES YOU A SCAREY INDIVIDUAL!

    1. hey, just so you know “scarey” is spelled S-C-A-R-Y. Noticed you haven’t been able to fix your caps key yet.

        1. You know there’s a spell checker on your computer right? Also, if you hit the shift key, it will release your CAPS button. Computer 101. Need any other help?

        2. You know there’s a spell checker on your computer right? Also, if you hit the shift key, it will release your CAPS button. Computer 101. Need any other help?

      1. hey, just so you know “scarey” is spelled S-C-A-R-Y. Noticed you haven’t been able to fix your caps key yet.

  49. THANKS ST LOUIE FOR YOUR SUPPORT. HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT THE CHIEF DIDN’T HEAR TASERS SNAPPING IN THE BACKGROUND? I HEARD THEM, SO HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT?

    HOW’S THE WEATHER IN ST. LOUIE? I’M ORIGINALLY FROM CHI-TOWN.

    1. I noticed that too. When the trial comes around the Lawyers will do their best to make sure the Jury doesn’t hear them either.
      You guys know the drill. Hold off the trial as LONG as possible. Memories and perceptions become fuzzy. Then discredit witnesses when they forget details and play Houdini with the evidence.

      Weather is about 65 today, just about time for 90 degree heat. St. Louis and Chicago don’t get fall so in about three week it’ll be winter.

  50. Merijoe,

    9C1 is a Chevrolet designate for a Police Equipped Caprice. I own a 1995 Caprice 9c1, hence the handle.

  51. Bunny, thank you for taking the pics.

    A note regarding the last pics with the shining eyes. We don’t know the timeline on this. They may be detaining someone for whatever reason. They could be removing someone from the area.

    Since these pics were before the 2nd roll, these pics are probably more important since it was immediately after Kelly was removed in the ambulance.

    Admin, I’m about to send you a 2nd email. Please check tonight.

  52. #227 by fedupwithmorons on September 5, 2011

    WRONG, SOMETHING CAME OVER YOU, YOU ARE POSSESSED WITH A NEW SELF CONFIDENCE! THAT BY ITSELF MAKES YOU A SCAREY INDIVIDUAL!
    Does that go for me too?

  53. No offense, but with the way these pictures look. Any good defense attorney will definately ask how many drinks Bunny had that night and how long she was there. Also if I understand this right, this is from the “first’ roll of film? If this IS the “first” roll of film, she must have arrived well after the beating. Kelly is already gone in these pics so any subsequent pics would not show the beating but only the aftermath. Officers actually involved were probably already back at the station for the debriefing (ahem I mean cover-up)

    1. THESE PICS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FROM A SECOND ROLL OF FILM SHE HAD THAT THE CORRUPT COPS DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT, NOT THE FIRST.

      NOT REALLY, MOST OF THEM WOULD STILL BE AT THE CRIME SCENE THEY CONSTRUCTED.

      1. fedupwithmorons :
        THESE PICS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FROM A SECOND ROLL OF FILM SHE HAD THAT THE CORRUPT COPS DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT, NOT THE FIRST.
        NOT REALLY, MOST OF THEM WOULD STILL BE AT THE CRIME SCENE THEY CONSTRUCTED.

        Fedup, if I recall she used up the first roll (these pics), put a new one in and shot 25 or more shots. Then the cop took the roll that was in the camera. So this should be pics from the first roll.

        Not a major difference since she described taking more shots of the same scene.

    2. Doesn’t matter how many drinks she had. The pics prove what she described seeing.

      We can see here light reflected from the puddle of blood.

    3. Observer :
      No offense, but with the way these pictures look. Any good defense attorney will definately ask how many drinks Bunny had that night and how long she was there. Also if I understand this right, this is from the “first’ roll of film? If this IS the “first” roll of film, she must have arrived well after the beating. Kelly is already gone in these pics so any subsequent pics would not show the beating but only the aftermath. Officers actually involved were probably already back at the station for the debriefing (ahem I mean cover-up)

      Doesn’t matter how many drinks she had. The pics prove what she described seeing.

      We can see here light reflected from the puddle of blood.

    4. These are what 35mm pictures look like when taken in low light without proper flash. All who are old enough to have taken photos on film know that it is an issue of lighting, not sobriety.

    1. I was shaking just visiting the site this weekend.
      Why would someone need to wear plastic gloves at the scene?

      1. THROUGH, BECAUSE THIS WAS A B;OODY CRIME SCENE YOU ALWAYS GLOVE UP…..IT’S CALLED UNIVERSAL PRECAUTIONS DUE TO BLOOD BORNE PATHOGENS AND SUCH!

  54. I’ve been away a bit BBQing, but REality Check brings up a good point about shiny eyes being a witness possibly taken into custody that night. Wonder if HE was a ligit witness also.

  55. Calm down there TURBO! I am just playing devils advocate. In the video posting about Bunny, there were several people at Slidebar that night that saw her drinking there. Defense attorney could argue she was not there at the time of the beating, only the aftermath. There are a lot of people wanting to jump down peoples throats out here, all you are doing is driving people away from FFFF.

  56. SO WHAT IF SHE WAS IN A NEAR COMA FROM DRINKING, A PICTURE IS WORTH A MILLION WORDS. SHE CAPTURED THE SCENE AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS. WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WAS ON THE ROLL THE COPS STOLE FROM HER!

  57. Whatever…you missed the point entirely in your arrogance. Know it all don’t you? Also the guy on the back of the patrol car does look like He is being detained and Mr. Gray Haired Cop seems to be giving Him the third degree.

  58. If she was , what difference would it possibly make if she was drinking or not? I hope the other attorney would counter with that statement
    The pictures are what they are and alchol wouldnt have changed that fact

        1. That’s the best you got. Anyone that knows me, knows I don’t drink, unless we’re talking about coffee…that’s my vice.

        2. That’s the best you got. Anyone that knows me, knows I don’t drink, unless we’re talking about coffee…that’s my vice.

  59. Mr. Know it All, the roll they stole will have nothing more than this roll except maybe a little resolution. If you get of your ego trip you’ll realize that. Arrogant prick.

    1. From the interview, I think Bunny said she opened her camera before rewinding the film and handed it over.

        1. I think she said she handed over the second roll because (as I recall), she went back to the car to get the flash.

    1. I can just change my blog name anytime I want like alot of you are doing. So go ahead and ignore me, I’ll change it to Merijoe, Anonymous, Admin, Travis, Observer, etc. Everyone’s name is up for grabs…same thing that has been done to me, over and over again.

      Are we having fun yet? 🙂

    2. I can just change my blog name anytime I want like alot of you are doing. So go ahead and ignore me, I’ll change it to Merijoe, Anonymous, Admin, Travis, Observer, etc. Everyone’s name is up for grabs…same thing that has been done to me, over and over again.

      Are we having fun yet? 😀

  60. These photos show a lot of blood and some cops standing around. They also dismiss the idea that Bunny ACTUALLY saw or PHOTOGRAPHED the beating. Again whatever no one is allowed to commit except the FEDUPWITHMORONS WHO WONT STOP SCREAMING AT PEOPLE. IF YOUR EYES ARE SO BAD THAT YOU HAVE TO USE ALL CAPS, HOW THE HELL CAN YOU EVEN SEE THE PICTURES TO COMMIT ON THEIR CONTENT?

      1. All you can do is use foul and profane language. I guess you are out of things to say so that is your “go-to”.

      2. All you can do is use foul and profane language. I guess you are out of things to say so that is your “go-to”.

      1. Well, keep trying, officer. With any hope at all, you may eventually rise to the level of a “dimwit.”

  61. The Admin needs to ban FEDUPWITHMORONS because He has drivin off numerous people that have made relevant points. Accusing people of being trolls because you are not intelligent enough to understand their points is unacceptable. What happens if He goes on one of these tirades with an actual witness that saw the whole thing? He could potently keep them from sharing what they know. SAD. Also He continues to use Caps and yells at people when He can clearly read the posts of others.

    1. YOU CROOKED COPS WOULD LIKE NOTHING MORE THAN TO CENSOR PEOPLE WHO SPEAK OUT AGAINST YOUR ILLEGAL VIOLENCE. ADMIN ALREADY KNOWS WHY I TYPE IN CAPS. AND IF I RAN SOME OF YOU DUMBFUCKS OUT OF HERE, TOUGH SHIT ASSHOLE!

    2. I AM NOT A HE, AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT RELEVANCY YOUR IDIOTIC POSTS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE THINGS SAID HERE, GO START YOUR OWN AND WHINE AWAY YOU SIMPLEMINDED CHILDREN!

  62. Why would you direct someone to ignore Hijacked? You should engage him instead of ignore him. You don’t have to like what other ppl say but they have the right to say it. Remember the bumper sticker I told you about? ” I may not agree with bumper sticker, but I’ll defend your right to stick it! “

  63. please could someone tell me.just thank of me as a cop with one eye and a small peins,if i have a bad day.How DOSE KILLING POOR HOMELESS PEOPLE HELP ME OUT OF FEELING LIKE A LOUSER COP AND MAN ? WITH A CHIP ON MY SHOLDER AH. O NOW I GET IT I HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT NOW LIKE AM THE HERO THAT KILLED KELLY T.

    1. WELL CAPS ARE WAY BETTER THAN INFLICTING A FATAL BEATING ON SOMEONE OR PUMPING ROUNDS INTO SOMEONE’S BACK WHEN THEY ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM YOU….FUCKING COWARDS!

      1. Thought you were going to ignore me, sorry I’m writing in all caps to help your vision, from chemo. If that even is the case. Why should anyone trust what is said on here?

        1. Thought you were going to ignore me, sorry I’m writing in all caps to help your vision, from chemo. If that even is the case. Why should anyone trust what is said on here?

    1. There is another one who is going to get a big pay day. You guys keep going, Drain the City of Fullerton. Ron and his attoney will be laughing all the way to the bank. MORONS

    1. Maybe you need to contact your elementary teacher for basic spelling or simply put on your spell-check. 🙂

  64. merijoe :Wonder if anyone would give this annual up?

    Sorry Merijoe, I doubt there are YEARBOOKS at Police Depts…this isn’t high school, idiot.

    1. MERI DEPARTMENTS HAVE THEM. AND I HAVE ONE I CAN SHOW YOU ….
      AND AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS HIGH SCHOOL, NO IT ISN’T IT’S A PLACE FOR GED COPS!

    2. THIS- WTF? you are fucking with me really 8th grader trollsack? really? Im askin a question regarding the real reason we are here- Kelly Thomas, and you want to go there? You eggplant?

      I didnt say yearbook you baboon ass, you did. Who are you posting for? your daddy?

  65. YOU ASS CLOWN COPTROLLS ARE ON SPEED EMAIL TO MICHAEL GENNACO. I WANT HIM TO SEE HOW YOU DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC YOU SERVE!

    1. That would be great if I was a cop but, I’m NOT so go for it! Trying to intimidate ( I know that’s a big word for you) me with some attorney isn’t going to work. Okay, I have the freedom to my opinion just like you do.

    2. That would be great if I was a cop but, I’m NOT so go for it! Trying to intimidate ( I know that’s a big word for you) me with some attorney isn’t going to work. Okay, I have the freedom to my opinion just like you do.

  66. MERI DON’T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE IN A CAR, BUT, LOOK INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE PIC WITH SGT, AND YOU WILL SEE SOMEONE WITH GLOWING EYES.

  67. I’m just reading tonight, Fedup, you are on a tear…..Just rippin’ em out of the park.
    Hey tigerman, whre are you from and thanks for joining us?…

  68. We should all be happy with differing opinions, no matter what they are. I, for one, welcome them. This freedom of expression is what sets us aside from some Soviet Gulag dictatorship.

  69. FEDUP,

    I am not intimidated, nor offended by what they say. I take it all in stride……Bbuuuuttttt I am sceeeered of YOU!!

  70. TIGERMANSLU,

    From what I have read, you and your fellow Cajuns have had a snoot-full of police corruption. I applaud you for caring about this incident, and I implore you to keep on fighting the good fight when it comes to injustice from the badge.

  71. MERI LOOK AT PHOTO NUMBER 2 THERE’S A GUY AT THE FAR RIGHT WITH CORPORAL STRIPES. THAT MORE THAN LIKELY IS SISSYNELLI!

  72. I pretty sure Cicinelli is the one at the far left, with part of his face obstructed by the other officer facing him.

  73. Look at the shot of J Sis in uniform, somewhere on this blog site and compare the hairline with that officer at left in photo.

  74. People right click on these photo’s , download to your photo software , there are five witnesses in the back ground, the two males at the door, a female? behind tree, another to far left in orange looking shirt, and appears to be another next to her. The officer third from right looks like the one of the officers on Mann’s video, {Facing camera} Fourth from right is the one eye bandit. Or at least that’s what it looks like to me. And it look’s like he’s smiling, has anyone else missed around with this and seen what I’m seeing, I just missed with the contrast, brightness, shadows, highlights, and 50% noise reduction. {this is the Second photo}

  75. Reality ls :At the time he got his ass kicked for fighting and running from the police. Big deal. His dad pulled the plug 5 days later. Happens all the time with civilians too. Crimes scenes are quick and to the point. If someone dies later, then some back tracking is done as in this case. Justice is up to the DA. If he says no, then no it is. If he says yes, then it’s up to our peers to decide. It’s not up to this biased blog thats for sure.

    1. I have news for you merijoe – If an officer cannot subdue a 165 lb man and cuff him in one minute they should not have been allowed on ANY police force. Kelly weighed about 135 lbs. I weigh less than 140 lbs and with a minimal amount of training ( a little over 3 hours) I’m perfectly capable of bringing a 200 lb man to the ground an subduing him in less than a minute without woring up a sweat. I was not aware that his dad pulled the plug. Where did you get this information? Hmmmm….I’m starting to think that you could be one of the six officers in a desperation effort to defend your position. How am I doin’?

      1. AbstractEcho,
        I think you are misinterpreting merijoe’s post because she is clicking on the “quote” feature.

      2. You must not live in the area. The family decided to pull the plug after five days because he was brain dead. It was all over the news here when that happened.

      3. I didnt say that Reality is did, Im on the Justice for Kelly team-I was just trying to prove a point -Reality is said all that bullshit about
        “At the time he got his ass kicked for fighting and running from the police. Big deal. His dad pulled the plug 5 days later. Happens all the time with civilians too. Crimes scenes are quick and to the point. If someone dies later, then some back tracking is done as in this case. Justice is up to the DA. If he says no, then no it is. If he says yes, then it’s up to our peers to decide. It’s not up to this biased blog thats for sure.”
        then turns around on the same day saying its getting harder for him to defend the cops
        so I am wanting to know from him, “what is it going to be- justice for kelly or not”

        Im DEFINITELY not one of those Nazi’s

        1. None of those posts were from Reality Is. This blog is a mess because all the names have been hijacked and then copied and pasted in other places. Reality has been had. LOL

  76. Bloodstains have its memory. These Fullerton cops above the laws and know how to cover up. Kelly Thomas will never rest in peace. His soul wadering around Fullerton City Hall, Orange County District Office and crime scence.

  77. LeRoy Murray :As I’ve been saying since this started we need a civilian review board with some teeth. Does anyone know what’s involved with getting one started?

    I absolutely 100% agree with you and think we need to figure out how to operationalize this and make it happen, seriously.

    1. Research it. You really don’t want that. You will end up with another layer of politics that in the end doesn’t have that much power anyways. In 10 years you will have another council just like this one and then a review board made up of the same. It’s useless. Expensive.

        1. I love how the cops get all serious for a second when we suggest either of two things:
          1. Civilian review board
          2. Shutting down FPD and contracting OCSD

          I prefer option #1 myself, but either way, these are the two things that give them nightmares. Which means these are our 2 best options.

          1. Not true. Civ review boards are fine. You will learn that they are limited in scope. Look up POBR. Most cops are fine with them. It just adds another political layer for civilians if the council and commission aren’t all just “your” people.

            Sheriffs is fine too. Bad for the community but better for cops.

  78. wasn’t something like that mentioned at the last council mtg?? seems like there was..

    and do any other cities have something like that??
    would be worth checking into for sure

  79. MR. Justice Sir. :
    People right click on these photo’s , download to your photo software , there are five witnesses in the back ground, the two males at the door, a female? behind tree, another to far left in orange looking shirt, and appears to be another next to her. The officer third from right looks like the one of the officers on Mann’s video, {Facing camera} Fourth from right is the one eye bandit. Or at least that’s what it looks like to me. And it look’s like he’s smiling, has anyone else missed around with this and seen what I’m seeing, I just missed with the contrast, brightness, shadows, highlights, and 50% noise reduction. {this is the Second photo}

    Yeah, I brightened them up too. You can see a lot more. Still not as much detail as I’d hoped, but it’s amazing how much blood there is. Kelly’s life was taken in that gutter. The shot of the tire in the blood where she tried to get the moon reflecting shows ripples in the blood like a river flowing. It looks deep. Son’s of bitches better do time for this.

  80. merijoe :
    pictures of Nazi’s, their cars and onlookers near the pool of blood-thank you Bunny, wonder if there are other photos out there, wonder if anyone can recognize those onlookers.
    JUSTICE FOR KELLY. We will get our own evidence- not waiting for those lying coverup artists to release their fake shit
    Everybody who sees pictures of Kelly in the hospital bean to death and now these becomes a witness

    People are afraid AFRAID of their police and are possibly not willing to come forward for fear the police might murder one of their loved ones

  81. I really dislike the blue wall extending to the emergency personnel who had to look at his corpse before they drove away to give it “COMATOSE” status

    where are those men and women who know how horribly beaten and disfigured he was..

    where are those men and women to let us know that not allowing the ambulance to leave for 10 minutes should be a felony all of its own

  82. Jaynbond :
    Readin’ your blogs but haven’t responded because I’m waiting for you to say something worth responding to.

    We can only hope you hold your breath while you wait.

  83. I’m going to try to make a few adjustments to the pictures too, and see if I can get any more detail to show.

    Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about the blurriness. One of my hobbies is photography. The reason why these pictures are blurry is because of the low light and because of camera shake. If you use auto exposure in low light (either with a film camera or digital), the camera will automatically use a either a wider aperture or a slow shutter speed to try to compensate and get the correct exposure. With a slow shutter speed, the camera will pick up movement and any movement of the camera or the subject will cause the picture to be blurry. If the shutter speed is less than about 1/40 of a second, it’s hard to hold the camera steady enough for the picture to be clear.

    It also depends on the focal length of the lens. There’s a rule of thumb that if you’re hand holding a camera, the slowest shutter speed you should use is a reciprocoal of the focal length of the lens. In other words, let’s say you’re using a 200mm telephoto lens. Then the slowest shutter speed you should use is 1/200. Otherwise, the picture might end up being blurry just from your hands shaking. If you want to use a slower shutter speed, you would need to put the camera on a tripod.

    Since the light was low AND Bunny was using a telephoto lens, unfortunately the pictures are going to be blurry and there isn’t much we can do about it.

    I will say this though…what I can see in the pictures is pretty chilling. Especially the 1st picture. You can see how much blood is on the ground by the right front wheel of the police car. That’s horrific. I don’t see how
    a person could survive after losing that much blood.

    By the way, I have another bit of information I can give you guys. The other film that the cop confiscated might not be ruined after all. I’ll explain why. A 35mm camera with a motorized film advance can work in two different ways. Most cameras will advance the film onto the take-up spool as you are taking pictures. BUT there are some cameras that actually wind the film onto the take-up spool when you load the camera, and then rewind the film back into the cartridge WHILE you are taking pictures. In other words, instead of the film being advanced onto the take-up spool, the film is advanced by being wound back into the cartridge.

    I think that was what Bunny was describing in the interview. If that’s the case, then the pictures she had already taken would NOT have been exposed when she opened the camera. A 35mm cartridge is lightproof, and any film that is inside it would be protected from the light. The only film that would have been exposed and ruined is the part that was unwound outside of the cartridge.

    So unless that cop threw the film away somewhere, or deliberately unwound the ENTIRE roll, then there are still a lot of frames that would be good.

    That’s something to think about. And it is definitely something the FBI should investigate. If Bunny could tell us what model camera she has, it would be very simple to look up how the film advance works.

  84. I’M SORRY I CAN’T TURN OFF MY CAPS LOCK SO I MUST SHOUT EVERYONE DOWN. OHH LOOK AT ME DADDY! LOOK DADDY! SEE ME? WATCH ME YELL AT THESE PEOPLE DADDY!! LOOOOOOK!
    NO ONE RESPECTS ME SO I HAVE TO SHOUT LIKE A LITTLE BITCH ON A BLOG. I FEEL SO IMPORTANT NOW.

  85. Someone stole my ID. Funny reading all of the stuff on my old ID. Oh well. Not much has changed around here anyways. Beach has been good. We are still here waiting it out. Looking like small charges on two and the rest cleared and back to work. See ya all on the streets of Fullerton soon.

  86. oink:

    ACLU says cops will always fight against a civilian review board but will eventually lose. If it has power, which it would, it works. Wouldn’t be expensive at all, it would save a lot of money since we would be
    getting rid of bad officers.

    Change is coming. We know you don’t want it, but it doesn’t matter.

  87. ADMIN – please read my last post about how 35mm cameras advance film. And please ask Bunny what model camera she has. It’s possible that the film would have been re-wound back into the cartridge WHILE she was taking pictures, so the pictures she had already taken might NOT have been exposed.

    Also, please consider IP banning users who are posting with multiple screen names.

    1. @Chris

      Good info but you should just email Admin directly.

      Not that it matters now, but teaching someone how to ruin the film that’s in the spool is counter productive to your goal (I’m pretty sure they trashed that roll that night though).

      To anyone with inside information or if you have pictures or video of this incident, use the “contact” link at the top.

      or here:

      http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/contact/

  88. They got blood on their hands, on their clothes, on their entire body from head to toe and not just the SIX, but a few others as well. They know who they are.

    How does it feel to look at yourself in the mirror everyday and see yourself covered in Kelly’s blood.

    You slaugthered a lamb, and you will reside in HELL for eternity for that.

  89. Is it safe to come back on the blog yet?

    Did Marijoe get a nap and take meds?

    Oh, Marijoe, you are so tiresome!

    The pics of the Officers show nothing. Why are they posted on here?

    1. To show the gang hard at work? Haha.

      No. As is clearly stated in the post this is not being treated as a crime scene with cops walking and driving all over it. Just another punch-up in DTF.

      And yet the cop trolls keep telling us we must wait for the “thorough” investigation that is taking place – somewhere, some time, some how.

      Hahaha!

  90. fullerton cop,s are really not bad,just ever other one is, so that make,s half are thug,s thay need to learn how to see out the back of there heads thay take yall as fools. thank god that,s not true.

  91. Well, the time has come when brave men and women must face the hard truth about their world and WHO is trying to destroy what our forefathers fought and died for. Yes this does equate to how the FPD has been trained to react to the citizenry of Fullerton. It starts with the FEAR factor, of which is witnessed by the lack of involvement from those whom were there on July 5 to see a helpless man beaten to death. We can almost all agree, (at least those that still possess a conscientious), that a crime did and was committed, however when a society is conditioned to react in fear of authority, the ending result is we question our conscientious, on whether to become involved or not. This CONDITIONING of our society began some 10 years ago, when we were made to believe that 12 cave dwellers with box cutters brought our country to its knees, and a boggy man was created to instill fear so as to remove any more conscientious thought from the morals of our society. And when this is posted, I’m sure it will generate a windfall of protests from those whom are still convinced that our government is not capable of such horrible atrocities, but an open minded, thoroughly investigated process will conclude the inescapable truth that our government has been hijacked by a powerful group of well funded elites whose sheer intent is to destroy this country and reduce our society to a third world status and continue their quest for a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT… Yes it all began on 9/11… Please don’t shoot the messenger just look at the facts or should I say the lack of.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw&feature=player_embedded#!
    The truth you seek is out there. Continue the fight Fullerton, The world is watching and the Revolution may just start right there is this quite town. God bless all and remember, for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

  92. I am going to win a bet. I say 25% of this garbage is written or rewritten by Bushala and or staff. Review the common words and statements.

    1. Ray, something tells me that things are only going to get worse for you and your buds. You might want to put our money in a safe place, cause you’ll probably need it some day in the not so far off distance. For things like: bread and water, you know the basics…haha!

  93. they sure didn’t protect the scene for any kind of investigation, did they???

    guess fullerton doesn’t have too??

    1. Right. No crime was committed, just business as usual. For instance, was Kelly’s head injury due to striking the curb? They will tell us that it was, and in the absence of evidence to prove the assertion we will be told we must accept it at face value.

  94. evil is as evil has done,evil killed the wrong guy when thay murderd kelly he was the lease of us, and god heard him calling for help.now god is going to let the light shine in and on fullerton killer cop,s the trueth will be made know. and the light allway,s beat,s out darkness, amen if and when we see the vidio,s of the murder stuff will happen that no cop can control.no not even the govt. can stop the light from shineing,thank god we have our gun,s here in the us.and thay won,t to take them form us belive me.as for taser,s the govt. gives them out to cop,s far christmas.the power,s that be thank fullerton is sheep people, but not anymore time will tell noy all justius is handed out in a court of law,god himslef is on kellys side. amen

  95. Please come out and join the peaceful protest/sit in at the DA’s office Sept 16th 3pm -hell no we wont let this go…charges MUST be brought….this protest is to draw attention to Tbones abysmal record of NOT prosecuting LEO’s through out his 15 year career….not only for the sake of Kelly Thomas…but all others who have NOT received justice. Tbone is bought & paid for by the police & sheriff unions who have secured his post as DA….enough is enough….he works for US, not them!!

    1. Sad when you have nothing else to do in your life. Ron Thomas can afford to be there, he will be in the millions soon, how do you others live?

  96. the DA is gone, it,s relly over for him,the DOJ,WILL PUT SOME OF THES so call cop,s in prison.thay have no choise now. the good people of fullerton have been awaken now,to the real world it will never be the same.

      1. I agree Through different eyes.

        If we get a civilian review board for the FPD together, one thing we could look at is banning tasers entirely. Other departments across the country have done so or are doing. Given the taser-happy behavior of FPD this should be an urgent priority.

  97. I am sure he tripped.. hit his own head on curb.. they accidentally STOMPED on his back trying to catch him

    and then he went into a seizure and started flailing his arms while the cops tried to put cuffs on him so in order to save his life they used their tasers as a DEFIBRILLATOR .. see.. It was a full on emergency to try and save his life..

    the knee drops were actually misses that were supposed to shock his heart etc.. etc..

    then.. the schizophrenia spread quickly to one of the other officers who saw snakes coming out of Kelly’s head and that was when he had to use the butt of his taser to beat on Kellys skull to stop the flow of snakes coming out.

    any other injuries or tussles were the result of the other officers trying to save each other from Kelly’s head and body constantly beating on their nightsticks

    **All of the officers received commendation for bravery and a free meal at the slidebar

  98. fedupwithmorons :WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW AND SOONER OR LATER THEIR NAMES AND IDENTITIES WILL BE REVEALED IN COURT!

    HEY Moran the names are all over this site and SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN RELEASED

    1. Hey SAVE, did you mean,” Hey Moron”?

      And why shouldn’t the public know who was involved in the beating death? Any citizen that is involved with a crime has their name published, sometimes pictures as well.
      Why should the police, who are PAID to protect and serve the public and uphold laws and regulations of the various counties and cities they are employed by, not be held accountable by the SAME rules, laws and regulations that everyone else is held accountable to???
      The double standard crap needs to be abolished and policemen need to be accountable for their poor judgement, brutality and crimes, just like everyone else…
      And, FYI, I am not anti police, just anti police brutality!!!

  99. LOL, ACTUALLY… their neighbors WILL be interviewed..

    i was once for a past neighbor applying to the police department !!

  100. SDLocal :Nobody is picking on me here, FedUp. Nobody ever has, really. A couple of trolls now and then, but for the most part everyone has been very cool to me. Even you. Thank you for that.
    I was making a little joke, that’s all. No need to blow a neck bolt.
    It would be nice if you would stop yelling.
    I agree with you that there is definite “complicity by silence” in the FDP. No doubt about that. No doubt.
    I’ll wager a lot of FPD families are being quietly eaten alive by this outrage. Sooner or later somebody will pop, and then go public. A Fullerton PD wife or girlfriend, maybe.
    The longer we keep the pressure on by staying together, remaining united and refusing to leave, the better it is for Kelly.
    I enjoy your posts, BTW.

    The more money Ron Thomas will get you mean.

  101. SAVE the Fullerton Cops :

    SDLocal :Nobody is picking on me here, FedUp. Nobody ever has, really. A couple of trolls now and then, but for the most part everyone has been very cool to me. Even you. Thank you for that.
    I was making a little joke, that’s all. No need to blow a neck bolt.
    It would be nice if you would stop yelling.
    I agree with you that there is definite “complicity by silence” in the FDP. No doubt about that. No doubt.
    I’ll wager a lot of FPD families are being quietly eaten alive by this outrage. Sooner or later somebody will pop, and then go public. A Fullerton PD wife or girlfriend, maybe.
    The longer we keep the pressure on by staying together, remaining united and refusing to leave, the better it is for Kelly.
    I enjoy your posts, BTW.

    The more money Ron Thomas will get you mean.

    I would let your Dad have the money if you volunteer to be Kelly Thomas

    1. He doesn’t need it and my dad would have never let me be in the position Ron Thomas let / left his son to be in.

  102. here in louisiana we have a lady COP sitting on death row for murder so it can be done don,t kid yourslef. AND WE HAVE 5 MORE going to the pen here next mo.for shooting people in the back.then covering or trying to cover it up HELLO.

  103. Can you imagine the EMT Questions when they got to the scene

    “DID YOU GUYS CATCH THE PEOPLE THAT DID THIS TO THIS MAN.. OMG !!!>> LOOK AT HIM.. We cant save him… He has been without oxygen too long.. I really hope you guys catch who did this.”

    1. Never thought about that MeYou, but that is the 1st thing that must have gone through their minds, as most of us who haven’t experienced police corruption first hand would have thought. “Police couldn’t have done this, not in my home-town!”
      With that being said, I couldn’t even imagine the most ruthless Triad, Skinhead, or Vietnemese gang doing this to even their worst enemy.

    2. When Ron Thomas first saw his son, he couldn’t recognize him. His first thought was to get up with the Fullerton FPD to help find the gang who had done this.

      1. I heard there were several occasions when Ron Thomas was called by the PD to assist with his son.

        Ron Thomas said “dont call me I can not help you and I have washed my hands of him” When he saw his son that night maybe what he was thinking was

        “Maybe I should have gone out and helped my son afterall”

        Oh yeah, he didn’t. My bad.

        I am not a cop, or a wife and I do use the same IP. Thanks

    3. Yeah, That was not asked because according to everyone they were also part of the ” lets go out and kill Kelly Thomas tonight gang” with the PD right.

  104. That is good to know that proper justice is being served in Bayou Country, Tigerman. Maybe the jsutice system realizes our problem of overcrowding of jails is due to corrupt police departments wrongly or unjustly arresting people, just for the ‘kill’ or the ‘thrill of the chase’.
    May our demon-like Fullerton 6 officers plus some of the upper ranked officers allowing their department to reach this level of corruption meet the same fate as your killer police.

  105. I have friends who are cops but I just cannot stick with them anymore, The truth is this is just not right Im sorry Cops but I was tying to support you on this trying to be blind but I now know this was indeed full bloody murder =( Please Tell The Truth

  106. i have friends in the dept also, and i believe that they are all not like this..

    however the blue code of silence puts them in a very bad place…

    this tarnishes the whole dept. and i feel bad for the good guys..

    the brutality has to stop !!

  107. People who choose to become a police officer must follow the rules. By the way, I put my life on the line everyday by getting in a car and going to work too. Your high horse, get off it before you get taken off.

    1. thay stay afraid it don,t take a lot, pig,s are the smartes dumb folk,s around.thanking thay can get away with murder, just because kelly was the least of us around. will god won,t let it slide under the rug this thank,s to the good people of fullerton.

  108. If a police officer were injured in any way, the whole scene would be awash in cops and cordoned off from the public. When it’s just a mere citizen who died at the hands of a police officer, then it’s no big deal. The cops mull around like nothing happened. That’s the best point of this post — they are not treating it like a crime scene. By the way, I love the “cops put their lives on the line” argument by some of the commenters. It’s the first refuge of police scoundrels. It’s easier than making an argument about appropriate use of force, etc.

    1. And more about the “cops put their lives on the line” argument…These police apologists make it seem like cops VOLUNTEER to risk their lives. They are PAID by taxpayers to do their jobs, which yes, sometimes involves risk! PAID by people like you and me and Ron Thomas. If cops can’t handle the degree to which they’re endangered, then maybe they should get another PAID gig doing something that requires less constraint and responsibility and minimizes risk. Sheesh.

      1. It’s fun having risk. Makes the job good everyday. Fights are fun at times too. Beating someones ass that likes to fight and run is fun too, only when necessary of course. Just don’t take my donut, and I’ll keep doing the job that puts my life at risk and isn’t dangerous at all.

        1. I’m sure that having that kind of job is fun… if you’re a sadist. 🙂 The fact that it’s a paid gig makes it even more awesome…

          Keep your donut… y’all do a bang ’em up job! (ouch).

    2. Not true. If this person was shot and killed or died at the scene, this would have been treated much different. No one had a clue, even fire, that he was going to die. Of course, if he was going to die, then the DA and other agencies come in and then that’s just a big conspiracy too so that doesn’t help anyone here either. Yes being a cop is really easy. No risk. Try it you might like it.

    3. Steven Greenhut,
      I am a big fan of you and your editorials as you are the one newsperson that I have always been able count on for telling the truth, even when it’s not the most welcome or popular opinion for others to accept. I hope that you continue to be a man of virtue and a source of light to us all in a sometimes very dark world.

  109. Just because a suspect runs from the police doesn’t give the cops a legal right to pummel and beat that person to death. There DOJ will have the last word on this matter. There is no excuse or legal justification for this episode. The party is over FPD.

  110. SAVE the Fullerton Cops stated: “So the boys had a little fun and got out of hand, big deal.”

    WOW, just WOW

    1. I’m pretty sure this “StFC” is a troll just trying to annoy people and not the actual StFC troll who has been posting here previously (the one who described herself as a “Daddy’s girl” and “trust fund baby.”)

      I don’t have any definitive proof, but the grammar on these last few morally bankrupt posts is perfect or nearly so, while the original troll couldn’t distinguish between your & you’re, citizen & citized, or moron & Moran.

    2. OK here is goes…….

      Justice for all, I never said that? there are like several postinsg that are not from me. Just saying I own what I write and JFA should know that. I never called the FPD “boys”
      What ever….

  111. Save The Fullerton Cops,

    No one is handcuffing law enforcement from doing their jobs. They have a dirty job to do, and I praise them for their dedication.
    When someone has to be arrested, officers can use ONLY that amount of force to overcome one’s resistance, and once under control, that amount of force MUST cease!!

  112. still love fullerton :
    interesting.. thanks

    you’re welcome

    Have a http://www.GreatDay.com << real site

    Todays posted without permission.. he is a great guy though 😉

    Tuesday, September 6, 2011
    Life moves forward

    The challenges show you how powerful and effective you can be when you must be. The positive possibilities give you satisfying and fulfilling ways to make use of your strength.

    The difficult times help you to more fully appreciate what you have. The good times help you to see how very much joy is possible.

    The disappointments bring you valuable, meaningful and useful experience. The successes give you the confidence to reach even higher.

    Those who criticize you offer you priceless feedback and important new perspectives. Those who appreciate what you’ve done give you the encouragement to do even more.

    No matter which way the individual events may go, life moves forward. From each and every experience and outcome, there is something of value to be gained.

    Instead of worrying or judging or obsessing about what may or may not come, accept and appreciate what does come. Then, with a strong and thankful heart, make good and purposeful use of it all.

    — Ralph Marston

    Read more: http://www.greatday.com/#ixzz1XCbvs1yR

  113. The DA is guilty, the cops are guilty, and anyone else who enabled this vile incident has blood on their hands. Oh, and “good cop” is an oxymoron. Oxymoron: a combination of contradictory or incongruous words. Not to be confused with moron; i.e. some of the indigents that post their “*newspeak” garbage. *source: “NineteenEightyFour,” by George Orwell.

    1. I don’t get what these pics show? These pics show some cops standing around and some liquid (probably blood) on the ground. That will show what in court?

      1. Grab 5 of your buddies and beat a cop into a coma…. and see how the scene looks. There would be sheets hanging everywhere, guys in paper suits, yellow tape galore and most likely cops in riot gear forming a perimiter around the scene….. A citizen just gets to bleed out while the cops joke and smoke about it. Not “by the People for the People” anymore… It is for us (cops) against them (citizens).

        1. yes, I agree with all Corrupt said – where IS the yellow tape? poor Kelly not anything that shows him any repect or decency on this scene-Justice for Kelly and thats making me cry again

          1. He wasn’t dead or going to die that night. He slipped into a coma a day or two later and then daddy pulled the plug. That’s why no tape. It was fight, a few pieces of evidence, and nothing else. Simple scene, no death imminent. You ain’t crying. Stop trying to play your stupid drama game.

      2. Lets say the Corner report says Kelly died from a massive loss of blood. Well where did it go, Cops report says he had minor bleeding at the scene? oh there some on the ground there by the police car.

          1. Who cares what the police report said!!! Those reports are going to be biased and written in the cops’ favor. We’ll see what the doctor’s report says tomorrow. Let me guess Reality, you’re going to try to convince us that the EMTs and/or hospital staff inflicted the wounds that caused Kelly’s death. Sorry, you don’t have THAT out anymore. Thanks for playin’.

  114. I dont know you either but if you were bludgeoned to death by cops I would be just as outraged. No they dont put their lives on the line every day unless you count giving out tickets for broken tail lights or hauling people to jail because they didnt answer them nicely, and it their JOB to, that I pay for out of my taxes, watch over my safety and protect me, they signed up for it, no one forced them

    1. You may think that way but you also need to realize that you don’t dictate how police work is done either. You may not want them writing tickets or using force, but that’s not up to you. That’s up to the Chiefs and the people that run the cities. That’s what they are paid for. As much as you would like to dictate how things are done, you can’t and won’t. You can yell and scream when something like this comes up or something clearly outside of policy or law, but other than that, you don’t have a clue about police work and you never will.

      1. Wrong. Citizens can form commissions to oversee the work of the police department. If they use to much force we can write stringent use of force measure and insist that they be complied with. If they write too many tickets we can insist that the department not use quota systems. Seems to me in a town like Fullerton we could cut the overall number of positions within the PD by 50% with no corresponding increase in crime. So, like it or not, we are ultimately going to dictate how things are done. We hire the Chiefs and the people that run the cities, and we can fire them. And we will.

      2. Except when the union owns the Fullerton City Council. And then the cops babysit themselves.

        And that’s why we have a recall going on.

  115. Whether Kelly died or not there should still be crime tape up and defintely not cops looking to get a 4th for their poker game that night at the scene -you lowlife schmuck- and if you actually werent a devil you would be crying too

  116. Oink Oink :Not true. Civ review boards are fine. You will learn that they are limited in scope. Look up POBR. Most cops are fine with them. It just adds another political layer for civilians if the council and commission aren’t all just “your” people.
    Sheriffs is fine too. Bad for the community but better for cops.

    “The three basic types of civilian review systems are —

    Type I. Persons who are not sworn officers conduct the initial fact-finding. They submit an investigative report to a non-officer or board of non-officers, who then make a recommendation for action to the police chief. This process is the most independent and most “civilian.”

    Type II. Sworn officers conduct the initial fact-finding. They submit an investigative report to a non-officer or board of non-officers for a recommendation.

    Type III. Sworn officers conduct the initial fact-finding and make a recommendation to the police chief. If the aggrieved citizen is not satisfied with the chief’s action on the complaint, he or she may appeal to a board that includes non-officers. Obviously, this process is the least independent. ”

    We’ll go with option 1.

    “TEN PRINCIPLES FOR AN EFFECTIVE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD
    Independence. The power to conduct hearings, subpoena witnesses and report findings and recommendations to the public.

    Investigatory Power. The authority to independently investigate incidents and issue findings on complaints.

    Mandatory Police Cooperation. Complete access to police witnesses and documents through legal mandate or subpoena power.

    Adequate Funding. Should not be a lower budget priority than police internal affairs systems.

    Hearings. Essential for solving credibility questions and enhancing public confidence in process.

    Reflect Community Diversity. Board and staff should be broadly representative of the community it serves.

    Policy Recommendations. Civilian oversight can spot problem policies and provide a forum for developing reforms.

    Statistical Analysis. Public statistical reports can detail trends in allegations, and early warning systems can identify officers who are subjects of unusually numerous complaints.

    Separate Offices. Should be housed away from police headquarters to maintain independence and credibility with public.

    Disciplinary Role. Board findings should be considered in determining appropriate disciplinary action. “\

    We’ll do all of that.

    “GOAL #3 — REDUCE POLICE BRUTALITY
    Your community’s principal aim here should be to get the police department to adopt and enforce a written policy governing the use of physical force. This policy should have two parts —

    It should explicitly restrict physical force to the narrowest possible range of specific situations. For example, a policy on the use of batons should forbid police officers from striking citizens in “non-target” areas, such as the head and spine, where permanent injuries can result. Mace should be used defensively, not offensively. The use of electronic stun guns should be strictly controlled and reviewed, since they have great potential for abuse because they don’t leave scars or bruises.

    The policy should require that a police officer file a written report after any use of physical force, and that report should be automatically reviewed by high ranking officers.
    Your community’s second objective should be to get the police department to establish an early warning system to identify officers who are involved in an inordinate number of inappropriate physical force incidents. The incidents should then be investigated and, if verified, the officers involved should be charged, disciplined, transferred, retrained or offered counseling, depending on the severity of their misconduct. The Christopher Commission’s report on the Rodney King beating ascertained that L.A. police leadership typically looked the other way when officers were involved in questionable incidents, a tolerance of brutality that helped create an atmosphere conducive to police abuses.”

    We’ll do that too.

    Read it and weep boys. Your fun times are coming to an end.

  117. MeYou :

    still love fullerton :there is a link on the OC sheriffs blog, about these new pics….the pressure is on…

    If you want them using your ip address to find your EXACT HOME ADDRESS… don’t type anything on that blog

    If I were to type in favorable remarks about police, I shoudn’t have anything to worry about, correct?

  118. ron thomas will be on john and ken in 4 pm hour

    there will be a press release tomorrow with his attorney

    about the medical records..

  119. “GOAL #5 — OVERSIGHT OF POLICE POLICY
    Police policies should be subject to public review and debate instead of being viewed as the sole province of police insiders. Open policy-making not only allows police officials to benefit from community input, but it also provides an opportunity for police officials to explain to the public why certain tactics or procedures may be necessary. This kind of communication can help anticipate problems and avert crises before they occur.

    The Police Review Commission (a civilian review body) of Berkeley, California, holds regular, bi-monthly meetings that are open to the public where representatives of community organizations can voice criticisms, make proposals and introduce resolutions to review or reform specific police policies.

    The Police Practices Project of the ACLU of Northern California successfully pressured the San Francisco Police Department to adopt enlightened policies regarding the treatment of the homeless; the use of pain-holds and batons; the deployment of plainclothes officers at protests and demonstrations; intelligence gathering; the selection of field training officers, and AIDS/HIV education for police officers. The Project has also prevented the adoption of an anti-loitering rule, a policy that would have made demonstrators financially liable for police costs, and other bad policies.

    In Tucson, Arizona, a Citizens’ Police Advisory Committee was incorporated into the city’s municipal code in July 1990. Composed of both civilian and police representatives, it has the authority to initiate investigations of controversial incidents or questionable policies, and other oversight functions.”

    http://www.aclu.org/racial-justice_prisoners-rights_drug-law-reform_immigrants-rights/fighting-police-abuse-community-ac#controlling

  120. None of you seem to want to comment about the $ settlement that will be offered in this case. It will be overwhelming especially if only minor criminal charges are made against “cyclops”.
    Concerning the comments on cops will be afraid to use force when appropriate if we put these cops in jail, I can only answer, they should resign then I am sure we can get 6 new higher quality officers.
    This type of “policing” going on in Fullerton reminds me of the former Compton Police Department which had to be disbanded due to the high cost of civil “settlements”. You think the cops lived in Compton? Most of them lived in Cerritos!
    Fullerton residents should be up in arms dumping their Mayor, city manager (if they have a professional at city hall!), police chief and rewrite the union contract or partner up with the Sheriff’s Dept . It seems the city council has been far too lenient on the Fullerton PD. Their being pushovers for the Union has allowed Fullerton (a self insured city) to be at risk for some enormous settlements, tax increases and higher fees. If you are a resident and not upset, I would like to understand why not?

    1. Well, you’re right Paul, and most of the things you suggest are on this blog’s and most of our agenda’s as well.

      As far as why we are not upset, its because the human tragedy of this situation overshadows the financial aspects for most of us. Even though my taxes and fees go up, I will not begrudge one penny that goes to Ron Thomas, or for that matter, Veth Mam. Principles are more important.

      1. Well said JT. I ‘ve taken a few shots from my neighbors here in Fullerton for advocating for justice for Kelly Thomas, as the cynical ones look at it like I’m helping Ron Thomas take money out of their wallets. This is not the type of man that Ron Thomas has shown himself to me to be.
        I was hoping that we the citizens of Fullerton could adopt a resolution/policy to have every penny of this settlement come directly from the cities portion of their contribution to the Fullerton Police Officers Pension Fund or PERS so that this directly effects THEIR pocket books, and might serve as a deterrent in the future to root out corruption before it takes hold. This seems much more in line with the old saying of punishment fitting the crime.

        1. I agree, that would be ideal.

          Or, firing about half the force and using those savings to pay off the settlement would work too. Let’s say 60 or so officers at conservatively $130K (salary + benefits) = $7.8 million PER YEAR!

          1. You guys are really dreaming. If your talk was anywhere near realistic I would give you a little credit but it’s so far out there you have no shot.

            Berkeley is a far extreme civilian commission, which would be expected in that city. Its also very expensive. Look at some commissions setup in cities with a population and police size similar to Fullerton. Yes, there are many types but to think the commission is going to run the Police is far fetched. For one, city councils don’t like to give away their control. They want to run the show. So most councils when they learn the actual details of a commission and what they can actually do, they abandon ship. Especially in the current economy.

            You will get nothing from PERS and you won’t get anything from the pensions of the cops. Your only chance of changing anything would be a two tier system where new hires have a different formula for their retirement. There has been talk of trying to change current PERS employees but everyone knows that’s illegal and it will be a very very expensive court fight that will take many years and many millions of dollars to fight, with the opinion being you can’t change it anyways. Getting a dollar out of the so called “six” won’t happen either. You will have to prove their pension is illegally funded or increased and since it isn’t, you have no shot.

            Staffing levels can always be looked at. They are currently the lowest in 30 years California wide and US wide. It’s easy to say cut the cops in half but the citizens of Fullerton won’t want that. You have to remember there are calls for service and staffing levels that call for current numbers. Of course it would be nice to have 2 cops patrolling the city each day but that’s not feasible or realistic.

            Your dreams and desires are good, but I would wager any amount of money you want that you won’t get those.

            It will be interesting to come back here in two years and see what kind of progress this group made on their threats. I have an image of the city I predict and it’s no whee close to the image this group has.

  121. Here is another good suggestion from the ACLU:

    STRATEGY #2 — MONITOR THE POLICE
    PROFILE: Copwatch, Berkeley, California

    Copwatch is a community organization whose stated purpose is “to reduce police harassment and brutality,” and “to uphold Berkeley’s tradition of tolerance and diversity.” Its main activities are monitoring police conduct through personal observation, recording and publicizing incidents of abuse and harassment, and working with Berkeley’s civilian review board — the Police Review Commission.

    Copwatch sends teams of volunteers into the community on three-hour shifts. Each team is equipped with a flashlight, tape recorder, camera, “incident” forms (see sample form) and Copwatch Handbooks that describe the organization’s non-violent tactics, relevant laws, court decisions, police policies and what citizens should do in an emergency. At the end of a shift, the volunteers return their completed forms to the COPWATCH office. If they have witnessed an harassment incident, they call one of the organization’s cooperating lawyers, who follows up on the incident.

    Copwatch holds weekly meetings, and its activists attend public meetings of the Police Review Commission. It publishes a quarterly newsletter, Copwatch Report, which features a “Cop Blotter” column that describes examples of police misconduct “gleaned from Copwatch incident reports.”

    Although the group’s impact has not been studied, Copwatch activists are convinced that their monitoring activities deter and, thus, reduce harassment and abuse.

    COPWATCH INCIDENT REPORT FORM

    Date Time Place Officers (names & numbers) Police Car License No. Arrestee/Victim’s Name Other information Suspected charge Witnesses (names & phone numbers) Injuries? If yes, describe Photos or tapes? Does arrestee need a lawyer? Description of incident

    Name of Copwatcher

  122. Ron Thomas will be on John/Ken at 4 to discuss press conferernce hes going to have tomorrow-will be discussing Kelly’s cause of death and other injuries

  123. Ron Thomas will be on John/Ken at 4 to discuss press conferernce hes going to have tomorrow-will be discussing Kelly’s cause of death and other injuries

  124. SAVE the Fullerton Cops :
    He doesn’t need it and my dad would have never let me be in the position Ron Thomas let / left his son to be in.

    You also have Schizophrenia like Kelly Thomas?

    Or just no brain or heart?

    Your trust will be deeply damaged after you see the real pictures and video and hear the taser reports and read the blood loss and cause of death..

  125. SAVE the Fullerton Cops :

    fedupwithmorons :WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW AND SOONER OR LATER THEIR NAMES AND IDENTITIES WILL BE REVEALED IN COURT!

    HEY Moran the names are all over this site and SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN RELEASED

    Hey FPD Saver, it is a damn good thing the names of those 5 bunghole cops got released on this site. WE will be getting some very important information vert shortly that will be even more damning to your FPD COWARDLY COPS. Once again, this valuable information WILL NOT be coming to us via FPD or OCDA, like it should. IT will be coming once again from a more HONEST and RELIABLE source.

  126. If the City of Fullerton and the PD and everyone is so vile and corrupt what took you all so long? If Ron Thomas knew this was going on and his sons civil rights were being violated everytime they stopped him and spoke to him ???? Then why was nothing said before this happened?

    1. You’re right. Sorry it took us so long to figure out the patterns of police abuse, cover-ups, and perjury.

      Still, better late than never.

      1. I personally have at least a dozen e-mails that I’ve sent to the FPD and our city council members over the past couple of years, begging and pleading with them to be more transparent and responsive. I was continually ignored and stonewalled and labeled a troublemaker in much the same way that Tony Bushala has been.
        I personally know the demonization and random traffic stops that Tony has probaly endured over the years because of his unpopular stand against the FPD.
        I will vow to always defend Tony Bushala, and any other person like him, who has the courage to stand and tell the truth when others won’t.

        1. your right thay don,t want the people of fellerton to know the trueth about a lot ,and tony is about the trueth,thay look at yall as sheep that need to be lied to !!!!

      1. Let me clarify my response – I am speaking only of my own prior lack of familiarity with FPD’s less than stellar reputation. its ok though, we can make up for lost time. And FFFF has been doing a great job on this for years, easy to see.

      2. Thank,s for being my goto,but i never heard of fullerton,ca. till KELLY T. was murderd in yall st.s aim in louisiana. and have been on the back,s of yall DA/DOJ./C. OF POLICE and any body eal,s i could fine to email on kelly,s behalf, injustis make,s me mad where ever i see it,here in new orleans we have 5 killer cop,s in prison for shooting unarmed people in the back.then trying to cover it up.GOD BLESS THE GOOD PEOPLE OF FULLERTON

  127. The Police State is starting to happen with more and more Police Departments across the land.Very soon a backlash will fall on most of them.They better remember that there are few of them (Police) and many of us (Citizens) and it wouldn’t take long before anyone would want to be a Cop.

  128. Fullerton Cakes Reality :You guys are really dreaming. If your talk was anywhere near realistic I would give you a little credit but it’s so far out there you have no shot.
    Berkeley is a far extreme civilian commission, which would be expected in that city. Its also very expensive. Look at some commissions setup in cities with a population and police size similar to Fullerton. Yes, there are many types but to think the commission is going to run the Police is far fetched. For one, city councils don’t like to give away their control. They want to run the show. So most councils when they learn the actual details of a commission and what they can actually do, they abandon ship. Especially in the current economy.
    You will get nothing from PERS and you won’t get anything from the pensions of the cops. Your only chance of changing anything would be a two tier system where new hires have a different formula for their retirement. There has been talk of trying to change current PERS employees but everyone knows that’s illegal and it will be a very very expensive court fight that will take many years and many millions of dollars to fight, with the opinion being you can’t change it anyways. Getting a dollar out of the so called “six” won’t happen either. You will have to prove their pension is illegally funded or increased and since it isn’t, you have no shot.
    Staffing levels can always be looked at. They are currently the lowest in 30 years California wide and US wide. It’s easy to say cut the cops in half but the citizens of Fullerton won’t want that. You have to remember there are calls for service and staffing levels that call for current numbers. Of course it would be nice to have 2 cops patrolling the city each day but that’s not feasible or realistic.
    Your dreams and desires are good, but I would wager any amount of money you want that you won’t get those.
    It will be interesting to come back here in two years and see what kind of progress this group made on their threats. I have an image of the city I predict and it’s no whee close to the image this group has.

    We’re going to vote out 2/3rds of the city council. The ex-cops will be off. The new members will be fine with a commission overseeing the police. In light of this incident, oh excuse me, heinous murder by cop, the FPD will have lost so much credibility that the population of this town will be happy to fire a bunch of current officers. Maybe we can do some psychological testing and weed out some of the sick sadistic bastards. Maybe we just use prior complaints from their personnel file. In any case, we have more cops than we need obviously in Fullerton. Crime rates are low compared to national and state averages. Except murder by police.

  129. Obviously there are many issues going on in Fullerton. This tragic murder seems to have galvenized many in the community into action. Once this happens it is like a tsunami, totally unstopable and strangly cleansing. Of course the “powers that be” are going to circle the wagons let them deny, lie, and obfuscate. They are frantically trying, and it looks like futily, to save their their jobs. Let them cut their own throats with their tongues. The people of Fullerton are paying these officals and officers to serve them, not the other way around. Seems like the “powers that be” have forgotten this and they will pay most dearly. What is happening in Fullerton is democracy in action and is an excellent civics lesson for all americans. Thank God that we still can exercise our rights.

  130. Reality Has Been Had
    Lived in a large east coast city for many years. Yes the citizens do have a right to dictate what police do, especially when it is illegal. Doesn’t take a law enforcement degree to know what police do. Have seen clean sweeps of corrupt and brutal police, comes in waves, about every ten years. Usually these criminals are turned in by their own. Seems like there is nothing lower than a crooked cop. The FPD 6 will get what they deserve. As I understand it the police are public servants and are ultimately answerable to the tax payer. If the majority of FPD have a problem with this, then let the revolution begin!

  131. Hey, I know Manny Ramos cousin and I know that the bastard was making jokes as to how he beat the crao out of Kelly, his cousin is a cool guy and hates his pig Manny Ramos cousin, he wants him in jail….

  132. Its time to go for DA Rackakus, he has to be in bed with the cops,,,I cant believe he still hasnt press any charges, perhaps he is in love with Cincinelly or one of the other cops, COMMON RACKAKUS if the kitchen is too hot then get out of the kitchen…

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