And I was right. But enough about me. Last night the Three Gasping Gastropods chose Sharon Quirk-Silva to be Fullerton’s mayor in 2012.
In meeting that can only be characterized as bizarre, the repuglicans did the heretofore unthinkable: make a Democrat mayor in her re-election year. The visceral pain that must have caused anti-recall handler “Dick” Ackerman” is a wonderful bonus gift of the Recall. See, Tricky Dick is courting what’s left of the old liberal rear guard and the Recall gave him no choice but to promote Q-S. Ha! Suck on that, Dicky Boy.
Smiling on the outside...
First came public comments, Part 1, with the usuall brow-beating of the Three Triceratops, plus a special guest stars, Pam Keller. The goofy grin and air-headed air of self-importance reminded me of just how grateful we should all be that she bid the council adios.
Ah said, that there was sum bad chicken...
Then some business items which o’ Doc Heehaw blew through so fast you would have thought he was either double parked or was anticipating an urgent case of diarrhea. Then the elections of mayor, and mayor pro tem. I wonder what Ed Royce thinks about this since any elevation in stature for Q-S means the greater likelihood for an eventual Congressional challenger for him.
As anticipated the Trio of Broken Bivalves elected the youngest, and sprightliest of their gang, Pat McPension, to be back-up mayor. The fact that McKinley believes it’s not dangerous for cops to fondle women in the backseats of their patrol car seems not to have been a deterrent to his promotion. Bruce Whitaker was nominated by Q-S, to her credit. The vote was 3-2.
Lookin' out for the ladies, oh yeah!
And then the sublime. Public comments were re-opened. The reading of Marisa Gerber’s article on the sad state of affairs in the Fullerton Police Deapartment followed; a litany of law-breaking and head breaking that sums up what the department became under Jones, Bankhead and McKinley’s over-long tenures. It’s now on the public record and McKinley can no longer hide from the truth: under his command, or lack of same, the police department sank into an undeniable Culture of Corruption.
#1 by Anonymous on December 7, 2011
HeeHaw went out in the most undignified exit anybody has ever seen. That’s appropriate. A jackass to the end.
#2 by truthseeker on December 7, 2011
The acid base neutralization is nearly complete on the surface. Remember we are dealing with politicians.
#3 by Erin on December 7, 2011
Even when he left his seat he was butting into Sharon’s Business.. The 3 Geriatrics need to start writing their obituaries..
#4 by Blind Roy Fullerton on December 7, 2011
So bummed I missed it!! Car prblems…. aaarrrggg..
#5 by Johnny Donut on December 7, 2011
Only in Fullerton can a rapist-enabler be promoted to Mayor Pro-Tem.
#6 by Citizen M on December 7, 2011
Ever heard of our nations capitol…lots a rapist, enablers in DC.
#7 by The Fullerton Savage on December 7, 2011
It’s outrageous that McKinkey, who has participated in negotiations about lawsuits filed over police activities that occurred while he was chief of the PD should be our new Mayor Pro Tem.
#8 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
They don’t get it yet at all. Talk about a conflict of interest!
#9 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
McKinley’s 2010 campaign platform regarding downtown Fullerton:
Eight candidates seek four years on council
Fullerton News Tribune: Orange County Register weekly (CA) – Thursday, October 14, 2010
Author: The Orange County Register
“McKinley : The bar and deviant behavior problem was addressed when I was chief of police. A foot beat was established, bar owners and employees were invited to education sessions with the Police Department and Alcohol Beverage Control, an ordinance controlling bar activity was passed. The situation is steadily improving downtown. Tattoo establishments are a different issue depending on generational points of view.”
#10 by Rain on December 7, 2011
Evidently it is Bankhead, Jones and McKinley’s definition of “courage” to install the primary perpetrator of Fullerton’s police corruption to the Pro Tem job.
#11 by Anonymous on December 7, 2011
What is the signature update? Almost done?
#12 by Jt on December 7, 2011
It is still I confess unfathomable to me that SQS’s first official act as Mayor was to threaten to have people silenced and removed from the city council meeting by the Fullerton Police.
(Moment of silence to let the absurdity of that action sink in).
Authoritarianism run amok (McKinley’s FPD) is not best handled by more authoritarianism. City Council should be attempting to facilitate more public comments and general public feedback and interaction between elected officials and the public. Threatening the public with the police, interrupting speakers by yelling “30 seconds” and generally attempting to intimidate public speakers and discourage participation is not going to help mend fences between City government the citizens.
I think SQS should be smart enough to get that. I will chalk last night’s poor showing up to nervousness and lack of familiarity with conducting a public meeting, but if this becomes a pattern I predict future fireworks exceeding anything we saw during the Hee-haw era.
We demand substantive changes in our institutions Madame Mayor. Arresting or expelling us for jeering at your shameless colleagues on the Council is not going to be a suitable substitute for meaningful action.
#13 by Wrong Guy on December 7, 2011
I agree with most of that JT. However, as the first recipient of her “30 seconds left to speak” notification, I greatly appreciated that, and told her so, because I and anyone speaking could wrap up their comments without the mic shutting off on you in the middle of a sentence.
You are correct about her threat of having her police excort out if out of control, but honestly, with her in the Mayor seat, fewer people will be agited and angry as was before with Jones in the Mayor seat.
But agreed, that message could have been delivered more delicately.
#14 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
SQS?
#15 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
Nevermind. Sharon, duh!
#16 by merijoe on December 7, 2011
jane-SQS=sharon quirk-silva
#17 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
Thanks, it was a little early for me this morning.
I watched almost all the meeting from last night.
Wow, wow, wow! You guys rock!
#18 by Blind Roy Fullerton on December 7, 2011
Double duh….
#19 by Silva All The Way on December 7, 2011
Congratulations to Mayor Quirk-Silva for hitting the ground running.
For months Doctor Dickless Jones sat there and gave a platform to the out of towners, drug heads, wackjobs and other undesirables which gave them the illusion that their incomprehensible ramblings actually made a difference.
Fun time is over for the $,$$$,$$$ “army” now there is a woman in charge with more balls than her predecessor ever will have in a lifetime.
Instead of throwing their smelly asses out like she’s prepared to do, he just sat there taking it and occasionally banged his gavel like some child and instead of allowing them an extra minute or two of rambling an cursing like he did, she gives them a 30 second warning before cutting them off right at the 3 minute mark.
They now know if they step out of line she’ll have their asses thrown in jail. I loved how she put that loud mouthed little tweaker gal with the glasses in her place when she started talking to the crowd. Major kudos to the new mayor.
About time we had some law and order in the chambers. Hopefully the city of fullerton will once again return to conducting real city business in a civilized manner with the new mayor in charge.
Sometimes it takes a woman to “man up”.
#20 by Wrong Guy on December 7, 2011
It was even better when she told Dennis, that McKinley brown-noser to address the council and not Ron Thomas.
Ron told that schmuck the same thing.
Ha Ha.
#21 by Silva All The Way on December 7, 2011
Exactly. The city council chambers became the Jerry Springer show thanks to old dickless jones. Like I said before no other city would have put up with it.
It literally became trash vs. trash and nutjob vs. nutjob. Most of the people there were just there is create problems.
I think we can all agree that Silva is a breath of fresh air for the citizens who actually want to conduct real business in this city.
She is the perfect mayor for this lawless city which has become the dumping ground for drunks, druggies, mental patients and other undesirables.
#22 by Silva Go a Way on December 7, 2011
You are crazy if you thinks she is perfect for Mayor. She is no breath of fresh air, she breathes the same corrupt air she has been breathing for many years.
You must be a relative.
#23 by Jt on December 7, 2011
repost, meet repost:
Wow. What a deeply undemocratic and authoritarian mind you have. I suspect you’re not actually a Silva fan at all but a plant trying to weaken support for her.
If you are actually a supporter, hear this. The first person arrested at a city council meeting for being a “druggie and crazy” and we will shut the whole city council down. Our city, not yours. Our city council, not yours.
**************************
Silva All The Way and “Anonymous” from the previoous thread are one and the same by the way. Either cop-supporting troll or just another wannabe fascist asshole.
Eugenics much?
#24 by Anonymous on December 8, 2011
dumb ass, anonymous is who ever aint clever enough to write a name. check it out im posting anonymous does that make me who ever YOU DECIDE i am?
#25 by seer2some on December 7, 2011
They gave McKinley Mayor Pro-Tem because they had to at least keep a toe in the power end of the City Council.
#26 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
I think you are correct S2S.
#27 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
I think the citizens of Downey are becoming braver, thanks to the Fullertonians who are leading the way.
Family of man killed by Downey police threaten weeks of protest
http://www.wavenewspapers.com/news/local/Family-of-man-killed-by-Downey-police-threaten-weeks-of-protest-133636363.html
#28 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
“The goofy grin and air-headed air of self-importance reminded me of just how grateful we should all be that she bid the council adios.”
Pam Keller seemed to want everyone to know that would have liked to have been mayor. Waaaa! Poor thing.
#29 by Wrong Guy on December 7, 2011
Let’s give a huge ‘Thank You’ to Pam Keller for not running for Mayor.
Thank you Pam. Probably a good thing, not a bad thing that you missed out on the Mayor seat.
#30 by Citizen M on December 7, 2011
I saw Pam Keller be sooo…rude to a iittle kid-so much so I almost got my first strike, I woulda slapped Pam to next tuesday. She is a self serving power whore who shoudl keep her stupid clothing choices- she looked like a burn sausage with way too much filler in that hideous get up…Pam your a joke- never come back, well maybe do it will give me something to do in my down time…mock you every chance I get. Who shows up and complains about shit we can do nothing about…are all of em past and present freakin babies….So PAm if you are any where and you here a group of people walking by you…whining in a nasally degrading voice- I never got to be mayor- just so ya know – YES WE ARE MOCKING YOU……
#31 by Skippy on December 7, 2011
Papa Joe
Dec 07 – 7:31 AM
Reply
This is Fullertons future,
The Bushala’s are no strangers to Fullerton code enforcement. A report developed through information secured using the California Public Records Act, summarized in nearly 400 pages of documents, shows 83 separate code enforcement investigations of their numerous properties.
The code violations read like a slumlords holdings in the back-waters of a Louisiana swamp. Construction without permits, trash, violation of the zoning code, uninhabitable living conditions, illegal rooms, chickens running loose, rat infestations, garbage piles, and illegal vehicle parking are just a few of the complaints about Bushala’s properties.
“It’s now clear why Bushala says he will spend $130,000 to buy the city council he needs through a recall. The investigation into Bushala’s code violations reveals a pattern of flaunting the law. It’s clear why he needs a ‘cooperative’ city council to perpetuate his dubious practices,”
Chickens? I knew Tony was fond of Cock.
#32 by merijoe on December 7, 2011
Oh-thats a good one Skippy, you mental patient
And the FFFFer’s are considered to be the uneducated, simpletons?
Look at the competition
#33 by Anonymous on December 7, 2011
It hurts getting your ass kicked, doesn’t it?
#34 by Snow Hume on December 7, 2011
Dear Skippy,
You should ask to see the range of dates on the code enforcement reports. The lion’s share of the single-family residential properties were sold off, all at one time, for the Olson development next to the train station. These properties were collectively called “the Truslow rentals”, but they are long gone now.
I would be very grateful to see a “report back” from you about how many of the 83 enforcement investigations have happened since 2004, and how many of those were for residential properties.
The Bushala family now has extremely limited holdings of residential rental property in Fullerton. They lost millions of dollars, due to what was, in effect, a coerced sale of “the Truslow rentals” to a City-vetted list of acceptable developer-cronies. There are no “dubious practices” to perpetuate, other than the abusive use of redevelopment revenues that are (lawfully, but abusively) diverted by City officials from school districts’ and County government’s property tax base. The Bushala family are victims, not developer-profiteers.
I would be willing to come back to Fullerton to publicly debate anyone about this — about the Bushalas and other downtown “developers” and “redevelopers”. And, as a leader of the original recall movement, I will be happy to talk about all of the other victims — trampling upon their property rights — of the present Council majority.
WSH
#35 by Steve Brow on December 7, 2011
OMG
#36 by Anonymous on December 8, 2011
well he aint a PUSSY like you!!!
#37 by Citizen M on December 7, 2011
jebus- sorry folks shoulda worn my glasses-typos, incorrect everything…sorry its early just woke…I think you get my thought process.sorry guys!
#38 by Citizen M on December 7, 2011
Skippy- the devil himself could show up today and I would sign the recall…dont you idiots get it? We dont give a shit about Tony he isnt in CIty Council.We do care about those that own those seats, and what they do. So you guys keep wasting your time, by saying the very same talking points- over and over- are you guys using the Karl Rove Handbook…keep spouting the lies…eventually everyone over 62 will be brain washed? Cmon guys…why not work on gettin a candiadate that is not 80, not intrenched, not a hack, not an ex cop….and I dont know someone with decency….try looking for that for a while . ANy of your pals from that fabric? Doubt it. The problem with the anti recallers…they got a big yard and no dog. AGAIN if SATAN showed up with a petition on this…Id sign it …who’s with me?
#39 by Spunky on December 7, 2011
I’m With Ya!!!
if anyone would like to sign the Fullerton Recall I will @ 202 E Commonwealth Ave, Fullerton, CA 92832!!!
#40 by merijoe on December 7, 2011
Citizen M, According to Pappa on the post “city council meeting tonight” this is all part of TB master plan and we are pawns
can you say Koo-Koo for coco krispies?
#41 by M.U.R. on December 7, 2011
That’s Koo Koo for cocoa puffs.
You’re way older than me you should know this stuff better.
#42 by merijoe on December 7, 2011
you’re right I should know my cereal names better than that-whats wrong with me? and watch it with the “way older” bit whipper snapper
#43 by Sharon Not The Brightest on December 7, 2011
Sharon got to be mayor because of the recall, pure and simple.
I wonder if she made a deal with the Geezers to officially oppose the recall. She didn’t need to, but I wonder…
#44 by Vernon Dozier on December 7, 2011
I don’t believe Sharon will continue with the authoritarian demeanor. She has too much at stake to piss off the wrong person, considering her whereabouts during the day M-F is public knowledge.
#45 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
When I listened to her talk about decorum in the meeting, I was struck with the same anxiety I had in 4th grade when I was assigned to Mrs. Gabauer’s class. I knew it was going to be a long, frightening year.
Please don’t get me wrong; I don’t know much about her other than what I’ve read about for the last several months. Maybe she’ll work out, but trying to maintain order like it’s classroom full of children, may not earn her any gold stars.
#46 by Vernon Dozier on December 7, 2011
I’ll repeat what I wrote last night. This is probably Sharon’s first experience managing a group of adults. I don’t know whether last night was a clue, but if it was, she has no clue how to act toward people at her own level. And that will be a problem until she wises up.
#47 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
I agree with you VD. She might have to do some soul-searching.
#48 by Jt on December 7, 2011
I agree with you both. I am optimistic though that Vernon is right and that it was first night stage jitters rather than an authoritarian mentality that we all saw last night.
“I was struck with the same anxiety I had in 4th grade when I was assigned to Mrs. Gabauer’s class. I knew it was going to be a long, frightening year. ”
Priceless image Jane H!
#49 by Anonymous on December 7, 2011
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Was the last part of what you said a threat?
#50 by Vernon Dozier on December 7, 2011
Your reading comprehension really sucks.
#51 by Citizen M on December 7, 2011
I think he was stating that SQS is pretty available we all know where she works, she will be visible- not like the old dino’s that hide, and show up at functions, squeemishly at 150 a plate…I NEVER took what Mr Dozier wrote as a threat!
#52 by Vernon Dozier on December 7, 2011
Thank you. That’s exactly what I meant.
#53 by havegunwilltravel on December 7, 2011
Sharon has already been Mayor for a year. I think she knows how to deal with adults. I would think that her demeanor was meant to end the circus like atmosphere of prior month, and restore decorum, and order to the place where the public’s business is conducted. Good for you Sharon!
#54 by Johnny Donut on December 7, 2011
Any circus-like atmosphere is a direct result of the clowns running our city into the ground.
#55 by Wrong Guy on December 7, 2011
Right on VD.
There weren’t too many people present at the city council meeting last night that took as much offense to her “I will have the police escort you out” comments as the posters on here did.
There was a calm sense of respect and law & order that I believe was appreciated by all.
And don’t forget, address the council when you are up there speaking.
#56 by Wrong Guy on December 7, 2011
There were a few doubters yesterday about the reading of Marisa Gerber’s article, stating that it might ‘backfire’ or it wouldn’t have an impact, etc.
I’m proud to say, it was HIGHLY effective. Everytime I read something anti-FPD I would look directly in McKinley’s eyes, as if to say, “see what you did asshole!”
It was great watching him squirm like the snake that he is.
WE let the officials of the city of Fullerton know we are fully ‘on’ to the shenanigans of their police department and we ‘ain’t’ taking no more shiz from them.
#57 by Citizen M on December 7, 2011
thanks you for kickin it off so to speak…I asked the old people outside, why they werent inside listening, they said,,,O dear I dont want to hear those things…..THOSE? there is a huge dis-connect there are 2 if not more fullertons, theirs and ours!
#58 by Jt on December 7, 2011
Wrong Guy – it was a great idea, major kudos to whoever thought about it and all of those who read, especially with all those cops in the audience. I hope someone has alerted Marissa and she’s seen the tape. She should be proud. Not too many investigative news articles get read aloud in their entirety during the public comments section of city council meetings.
#59 by The Orange County Register on December 7, 2011
Amid a backdrop of controversy, Fullerton gets new mayor
FULLERTON – Against the backdrop of heavy criticism of its police department and municipal leadership in recent months, the City Council chose a new mayor Tuesday night, a move that is largely ceremonial but in this city, for now, might mean more.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/council-330335-mayor-members.html
#60 by Citizen M on December 7, 2011
I didnt take offense…..but at the same time just because I like her personally in , no way shape or form- does this give her a free pass, I will grill her like a Sunday BBq if she thinks,she will abuse her role. I will give her the chance, I do anybody. Im kinda givin her a wide berth right now until she gets her feet wet, then I will either be her biggest fan or biggest thorn …her choice.
#61 by Skippy on December 7, 2011
Snow Hume
Dec 07 – 9:48 AM
Reply
Dear Skippy,
You should ask to see the range of dates on the code enforcement reports. The lion’s share of the single-family residential properties were sold off, all at one time, for the Olson development next to the train station. These properties were collectively called “the Truslow rentals”, but they are long gone now.
I would be very grateful to see a “report back” from you about how many of the 83 enforcement investigations have happened since 2004, and how many of those were for residential properties.
That’s a hoot Snow. This group seems to use an older timeframe when exposing the transgressions of the Police Department. Just shows a long patern of corruption and disregard for basic human living conditions.Bushala has made a mint off the backs of poor illegal residents. These people fear reporting his crimes because of their legal status in this country.
Now tell me again what McKinley said in 1996?
#62 by merijoe on December 7, 2011
Skippy, you are simply deranged.
You have absoultley no facts, but are spewing out your opinions to everyone and unfortunatley some poor souls are actually listening to your redderick-you are a cancer on society and certainly in Fullerton with your nonsense
Tony Bushala is NOT profiting from anyone or anything now-certainly not from the recall and is not looking to in the future.
Skippy and others -No one is hiding in their homes because TB is on the streets
You are certainly blessed to have his likes in your community, wish there were more of the kind of generousity and kindness in every community-including mine.
#63 by merijoe on December 7, 2011
The reason why we go back to 2010, 2004 or anything else you feel is an “old timeframe” is because we are just now finding out about this abuse, as it was covered up and no one knew about most of the shit until now.
#64 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
“Now tell me again what McKinley said in 1996?”
O.k., Here’s one for you:
“McKinley also says overall crime is down because crooks are in jail. “Narcotics users, for example, commit crimes other than narcotic violations. There are only two things that keep crime down: education and holding people responsible for their actions.
“As long as people continue to hold my feet and judges’ and legislators’ feet to the fire _ and not listen to sociologists _ we should be building more prisons,” he said. ”
http://docs.newsbank.com/s/InfoWeb/aggdocs/AWNB/0EAF40B064050051/1028A39C75C2B899?p_multi=OCRB&s_lang=en-US
#65 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
And another:
“Last week, Fullerton Police Chief Patrick McKinley apologized to Choi and local Korean community leaders for the inconvenience Choi had experienced.
“If (his termination) is a residual, I’m sure the chief is terribly sorry also,” said Sgt. Glenn Deveney. “But other than that, I don’t know what else we can do.”
http://infoweb.newsbank.com/iw-search/we/InfoWeb?p_action=doc&p_topdoc=1&p_docnum=1&p_sort=YMD_date:D&p_product=AWNB&p_text_direct-0=document_id=%28%200EAF40B57152C54A%20%29&p_docid=0EAF40B57152C54A&p_theme=aggdocs&p_queryname=0EAF40B57152C54A&f_openurl=yes&p_nbid=Q5DC62TVMTMyMzI4NTc5OS4zNDkwNjI6MTo3OnJhLTUzMDg&&p_multi=OCRB
#66 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
This is the title of the last article:
Mistaken arrestee fired from job – UPDATE: Young Ho Choi, erroneously arrested in the slaying of a CHP officer, is discharged from his maintenance position.
The Orange County Register – Wednesday, July 24, 1996
Author: LESLIE BERESTEIN: The Orange County Register
#67 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
This for anyone thinking Pat McKinley doesn’t have his hands in eveyrthing, including redevelopment, this is for you:
Police Chief Patrick McKinley ‘s dream to build a new police headquarters at the transportation center ended Tuesday.
“The City Council, acting as the Redevelopment Agency, unanimously approved the $1 million purchase of the former Thompson’s Furniture store at 219 and 221 W. Commonwealth Ave. to expand police operations.
“Economically, this is much better than the train center,” McKinley conceded after the vote. “And we’re able to preserve our current, beautiful building. The council took a bold step into the future. ” McKinley said he envisions the city eventually demolishing the furniture store and rebuilding a larger structure to match the Spanish architecture of the current department.”
http://docs.newsbank.com/s/InfoWeb/aggdocs/AWNB/0EAF4190C5A31CE1/1028A39C75C2B899?p_multi=OCRB&s_lang=en-US
#68 by Wrong on December 7, 2011
The list of Fullerton cop criminal behavior that this site has documented only goes back a few years.
#69 by Steve Brow on December 7, 2011
Damn. When I go back to an old time frame of Fullerton, I’, talking 1960.
#70 by Jane H on December 8, 2011
We can go there too, if you want. If it’s in print, I can find it.
#71 by van get it da artiste on December 7, 2011
And the public must not forget, this same Pat McKinley served on Rusty Kennedy’s Orange County Human Relations Commission . Thanks to frequent blogger Jane H., she foung LA Times article where Rusty Kennedy states one of his commission’s functions is to field complaints of police abuse from the public to the community’s respective police force. Rusty Kennedy is a long-time resident of 1031 N. Richman Avenue, Fullerton, CA.,. So why did Fullerton PD get away with abusing the public for so long?
#72 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
Because he was asleep when at home in Fullerton, but wide awake when the media needed him to be a spokesperson denouncing all the hate crimes and racial tension in the entire OC area, and beyond. He wants to everyone’s friend.
That I can also prove, in case no one believes it.
#73 by van get it da artiste on December 7, 2011
Jane, I don’t doubt Rusty Kennedy could have cared less about the ultimate civil rights abuse , the murder, of a homeless ,disabled man on the very streets Rusty has lived and played on for over fifty years. What I infer from all the evidence presented in the media, is Rusty did not want to utter a word that Kelly
Thomas was murdered by Fullerton Police officers because his silence was at the behest of his colleague’s, ex-fullerton police chief and current fullerton city council member Pat McKinley, request not to bring media attention to Thomas’ murder by a police department that for a long time has coverred up and quietly settled incidents of police brutality, perjury and molestation by Fullerton police officers. Why would Rusty Kennedy, the CEO of the Orange County Human Relations Commission(OCHRC), a government agency committed to decreasing civil rights abuses commited upon the public by law enforcement , not speak out about the murder of homeless man in his hometown until public outrage grew to international proportions? Because the OCHRC is dependent on cities and local law enforcement along with the county of Orange funding his commission and thus his salary.
I wonder how many other civil rights abuses commited upon the public by law enforcement has been dismissed or overlooked by OCHRC’ CEO Rusty Kennedy because Rusty dare not alienate the hand that feeds him.?
#74 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
“I wonder how many other civil rights abuses committed upon the public by law enforcement has been dismissed or overlooked by OCHRC’ CEO Rusty Kennedy because Rusty dare not alienate the hand that feeds him.?”
That was my first question to myself after reading about him. OCHRC is a farce.
#75 by van get it da artiste on December 7, 2011
and how many valid complaints about Fullerton Police Dept. abuses upon the public have been quietly dispatched by Rusty Kennedy?
#76 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
One wonders.
#77 by Steve Brow on December 7, 2011
Van, in 1958, when I was two years old and Rusty was six, my family lived in Park Forest, Illinois, the great new white suburb of Chicago at the southernmost reach of Cook County. Word came that a black couple wanted to move into the neighborhood and one neighbor was trying to rally the neighborhood against it.
In Park Forest at that time, here was a certain social function in which it was customary to have small groups meet at home parties and then afterwards all meet together for the town event.
Being the civil rights advocate that my mother was, she invited both the black couple who wanted to invade our neighbothood and the neighbors who wanted to keep them out. Once they met person to person, the exclusionary effort died a natural death.
Later that year we made our first trip to Fullerton to visit the dead Kennedys. I have no recollection, but I have the home movies to prove it. In one scene, elder cousin Sharon is show slapping all of the younger Kennedys into place for a proper shot.
In 1960 we joined the dead Kennedys just around the corner. In 1964 (when I was 8 and Rusty 12), the California debate over fair housing erupted. Working with the dead Kennedys, the liberals at Fullerton First Pres and beyond, my mother expanded her Park Forest endeavor to organize 200 interracial livingroom meetings throughout Fullerton.
The civil rights tactics did not begin or end with Rusty, even though Rusty’s contributions did earn him commendation from President Bill Clinton in the Oval Office in 1997.
If you believe that Rusty is an impediment to civil rights at this time, go beyod this website, triangulate him out, and confront him. It is only fair game. At the proper time, I might even offer my services as a mediator.
#78 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
I would like to hear from his mouth how he has dealt with police complaints over the years.
#79 by van get it da artiste on December 7, 2011
What are you talking about? How does an interracial conversation in the sixties in Illinois have any bearing on Rusty Kennedy, Pat McKinley, fullerton police department corruption and the murder of Kelly Thomas?
Steve, you know in the 1970′s my friend had an interracial relationship in anaheim and we talked about it, therefore I may not mediate impediments to civil rights because I did not get a commendation from President Bill Clinton.
Steve, are you high or drunk when you blog on FFFF?
#80 by Dick Fitz on December 7, 2011
We traded “Boss Hog” for the “Liberal NAZI” great job Fullerton. Looks like you have another year of embrassment for the city.
#81 by Johnny Donut on December 7, 2011
Nothing to worry about. Quirk-Silva specializes in fearful ineffectiveness.
#82 by Wrong Guy on December 7, 2011
More like we traded Boss Hog Nazi for a Liberal/Left-Winged Mayor. That’s All.
She has NO Nazi in her, as do her three elderly ol’ goats.
#83 by Vernon Dozier on December 7, 2011
Wasn’t it interesting that McKinley nominated Quirk for mayor last night?
Now, why did McKinley do that? Was he trying to fix his mistake from a year ago? Was he trying to repair his image in the eyes of Fullerton’s women? Whatever the motivation on his part, I have no doubt it was strategic in every way.
#84 by Citizen M on December 7, 2011
I think Patty voted for her, this time, over the bankhead vote last time, I think he told her he would vote for her and then when he voted for bankhead- the look on her face…priceless- no one can mistake a shocked look…I believe your onto something. So he had to do a favor- you know thats what he is telling his pocket book…uhm, uhm I mean supporters. I know Patty is telling his pals …let her deal with all this crap…see how I distance myself…but I will still take the pay check, pension, and perks.
#85 by vw type 53a on December 7, 2011
I think it was pre-determined based on the paper already printing it before it was done, the fact that McKinley almost cut Jones off to nominate her and the general reactions surrounding the whole thing. I just hope she is an improvement.
#86 by John Shaw on December 7, 2011
I saw that someone broke Dick Jones parking space sign. The cop standing next to it told my wife someone was arrested for breaking it? Anyone we know?
#87 by Citizen M on December 7, 2011
# 62
A young man was upet with the fact he cut in line to speak and we werent having it, he was getting rude and saying he wanted to hit mr thomas, I asked Ron to see if he could de-fuse the situation, Ron said of course, talked to the man – he started telling Ron he was gonna kick his ass, blah blah-so Dan escourted him out and that was to be the end of it, but the kid flipped out and broke the mayors sign..and he got arrested as he should for wreckingour property… i have pictures of the sign..when we left the meeting we asked the cops what had happened, they told us.
Im conflicted here…1 hand he is dumb for that.
#2 he just saved the city 122 bucks …removal of that sign by our city worker woulda cost us that much. Your call. Thats what happened.
#88 by Citizen M on December 7, 2011
sorry you changed #64
#89 by Wrong Guy on December 7, 2011
I did see that one guy who walked in with Susan from Kelly’s Army and he wanted to speak during our reading of Marisa’s article, but Ron told him to wait. I saw him walking away from Ron with his middle finger up in the air.
I’ve seen and met a few of these ‘J-Cats’ at various functions that fight amongst the protesters and are there for their own stupid agenda, such as getting back at someone for telling them how lame and retarted they are in the first place.
Glad to hear FPD took care of him, especially since he was talking BS to Ron Thomas.
#90 by Please tell me why... on December 7, 2011
If it was his turn to speak then Ron had no right dictating who can and cannot speak in chambers.
His only mistake was his reaction to Ron. Instead of acting like a baby, he should have just gone up to the podium and spoken what was on his mind. Screw Ron Thomas and his gravy train groupies.
Now I understand why Sharon was is so tough. If I had to put up with this for months I would be too.
I can’t wait until all of these festering sores are ran out of town. “You can’t speak now ’cause me and my friends wanna read an article” …screw that.
#91 by merijoe on December 7, 2011
or he could have been mature, took the high road and waited patiently-derrrr
#92 by Please tell me why... on December 7, 2011
and if it was his turn to speak then maybe Ron and his groupies should have taken that advice.
…Ron doesnt get to dictate who can and cannot speak at city council. If it was me I would have stepped up when it was my turn and I would have dared Capt Hughes or anyone else from the city to lay one hand on me to prevent me from speaking.
If they wanted to read an article they could have done it on their own time not on the city’s time.
Ron has got some nerve.
#93 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
“If they wanted to read an article they could have done it on their own time not on the city’s time.”
Hmmm…a public city council meeting for the benefit of the public. I believe they can read anything pertinent to city business.
The FPD IS part of the city.
#94 by citizen M on December 7, 2011
It wasnt his turn to speak…..he walkedin fron tof everyone, and stood there..Ron didnt run the speaking line up…so before you spew shit you KNOW NOTHING about…you werent there i was I asked RON to get involved..I figured it was better than asking Dan hughes to move him outta line…boy your a peice o work; YOU KNOW NOTHING
#95 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
“Pat is a legend in our business, and it’s humbling to follow him,” Sellers said. “I’m ready to turn the page to a new chapter, and I hope it will be embraced as much as Pat ‘s was in the past.”
Michael Sellars
Fullerton swears in police chief
Orange County Register, The (Santa Ana, CA) – Thursday, May 14, 2009
Author: Story and photo by BARBARA GIASONE ; The Orange County Register
#96 by Wrong on December 7, 2011
Ghengis Khan was a legend, too.
#97 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
Good one!
#98 by merijoe on December 7, 2011
A legend in his own mind-shit
#99 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
You make me laugh Merijoe.
#100 by Wrong Guy on December 7, 2011
What I would like to know is when did McKinley go from responsible COP to Town Wrecker?
#101 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
I think it was back in 1960s when he embraced military tactics.
#102 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
In 1989 Police Capt. Patrick McKinley said…
“We ask the people to submit to arrest and when they don’t we use some kind of pain compliance, where pain is applied until they do what they are told to do,” he said.
PROTESTERS PAINED BY POLICE USE OF MARTIAL ARTS STICK
Daily News of Los Angeles (CA) – Sunday, June 18, 1989
Author: RENE LYNCH Daily News Staff Writer
#103 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
And I’ll keep posting this stuff so that people know what kind fool he is, and why he needs to be recalled.
#104 by Jt on December 7, 2011
That is an important quote. If you look at the multiple police abuse cases ffff has been reporting on over the last year, many are clearly cases where police used “pain compliance” in situation they didn’t have to. This is excessive force.
SQS should call for a review of the FPD’s use of force guidelines. I guess they’re going to wait for Gennaco. By the way, a former LEO in the know told me that Gennaco’s report would NOT be a whitewash.
#105 by Reality Is on December 7, 2011
I can guarantee you that pain compliance is not allowed. Now do some holds hurt a little? Yes. Do cuffs hurt? Yes, they aren’t made for comfort. If you resist a hold, or resist a search technique, yes it will hurt bad but that’s not pain compliance. That’s you pulling away or attempting to escape a hold in place to gain an advantage if you were to fight or resist.
This is all stuff that would be a great class to instruct for FFFF. Combined with policies, you would see everything first hand.
Let’s be the mats out and practice.
#106 by Jane H on December 8, 2011
Oh please spare us. Many, many years ago I was arrested for a DUI. Yes, I was once young and dumb, And yes, it does happen to a lot of people, whether they are legally drunk or not.
The handcuffs were so tight, that my wrist and thumb hurt for weeks, and probably contributed to my current hand problems. There was NO reason for that. I was not a threat, nor did I resist. When I asked to have them loosened because of the pain, they laughed at me.
That is sick!
#107 by The Orange County Register on December 7, 2011
Fullerton police chief’s medical leave extended again
http://www.ocregister.com/news/chief-330409-leave-sellers.html
#108 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
From the article:
“We will continue to do what we have been doing for the past few months,” Sgt. Andrew Goodrich said.”
What?
#109 by Anonymous on December 7, 2011
@“We will continue to do what we have been doing for the past few months,” Sgt. Andrew Goodrich said.”
If I were homeless or a vulnerable woman I would get the hell out of there since that is the case.
#110 by Jt on December 7, 2011
Lying, donuts, and anonymous blog comments?
#111 by Reality Is on December 7, 2011
Donuts lol. Yum.
#112 by Citizen M on December 7, 2011
Andy Goodlie……..we will continue to do what? For F -sake every body call joe felz and tell him to get rid of this wart…f- sellers
#113 by Lester Ludwig on December 7, 2011
I see we keep going way back in time to find fault with the police department. The latest, The Killing of Officer Don in the City of Fullerton 1996. Yes, I would say McKinley was the Chief of Police at that time.
How many incidents have come to light since then maybe 15? Some very bad decisions were made by some bad apple cops many of whom were fired.
The Fullerton Police Department handles about 8000 police contacts per month=96k per year. You are going back to 1996 that’s 1,280,000 police / Citizen Contacts in the past 16 years. All you can come up with is 15 incidents? That’s one bad decision every 85k police Citizen contacts.
Get rid of humans doing police work and we would be free of poor decision making.
You guys are grasping at straws.
#114 by seer2some on December 7, 2011
I think what people are upset about is what’s happened in the last several months and this link doesn’t even mention a couple of current cases, such as the Rincon or Nam case……….
http://www.fullertoncops.com/
You have some good cops that have done a wonderful job for the citizens, but unfortunately I see FPD referred to by others throughout the OC as the bogeyman of police departments. Sorry, you have a terrible rep.
#115 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
Here’s another one for you Lester. As long as the code of silence exists, you will NEVER see even a fraction of the incidents in the news. And whatever is brought to light, is minimized.
Don’t you see that?
_________________________________________________
Placentia widow wins appeal // Courts – Justices rule Fullerton police and coroner’s officials withheld facts, and ruling will allow woman to sue for wrongful death.
**
The Orange County Register-August 31, 2002
Author: GREG HARDESTY
Fullerton police withheld “crucial facts” about the arrest and death of a man who stopped breathing after his hands and feet were tied together behind his back and he was placed face down on a patrol car seat, an appeals court ruled Friday.
The ruling, which partially reversed a decision by a lower court, allows the Placentia man’s widow, Rita Garcia, to revive her lawsuit alleging wrongful death and an alleged cover-up by three top police officials.
“She’s thrilled,” said Donald W. Cook, an attorney who worked on Garcia’s appeal.
“The Fullerton police officers, as well as a coroner’s investigator, might have withheld information about using a “hobble restraint,” court documents showed.
The officers and investigator were afraid of being sued, even though hobble restraints are legal and have been used by Fullerton police since June 1991 to tame emotionally disturbed suspects.
Max Leyza Garcia, 40, died Nov. 2, 1991.”
In its decision Friday, the 4th District Court of Appeal in Santa Ana did not reverse the jury’s decision on excessive force. The panel also said one officer — Tilo Voitel — should not face charges that he participated in an alleged cover-up…
…But the appellate court ruled that former Police Chief Philip Goehring, current Police Chief Patrick McKinley and Sgt. Joseph Klein can face civil lawsuits for concealing facts surrounding Garcia’s death…
…Justices singled out McKinley’s “wrongful refusals to respond to requests for information [about the arrest] under the Public Records Act” as proof of a cover-up.”
http://docs.newsbank.com/s/InfoWeb/aggdocs/AWNB/0F5D0EA94CFAEA39/1028A39C75C2B899?p_multi=OCRB&s_lang=en-US
#116 by Anonymous on December 7, 2011
OCR Fullerton police chief’s medical leave extended again! ” Wow like that is news”
#117 by Ffff tards on December 7, 2011
Jane h you obviously do not have a job or a life it appears! You have way to much time on your hands! Maybe you should repaint your moms basement or feed all your cats!!
#118 by seer2some on December 7, 2011
We don’t have basements here in Southern California…….the closest thing we have were referred to as ‘bomb shelters’………….
#119 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
Gee, that’s almost the same argument you and yours said about others here. Way to go to show your stupidity.
Of course you know nothing about me, or why I might have the time to research and post.
Ignoramus!
#120 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
Oh, I see you have an awful lot of time to read and post too, doughnut lover.
#121 by citizen M on December 7, 2011
FFFF tards= apparently you have no job either…you have time to troll all of janes H post…some one has a weird crush?
#122 by Wrong Guy on December 7, 2011
Keep their heads up their rectums.
#123 by Wrong Guy on December 7, 2011
Sorry Lester but those 15 incidents were most aggregious and deplorable actions by any law enforcement agency.
Your comments about how many contacts FPD has per year etc. are a very weak defense for your ‘Bad Boy Buddies in Blue”.
#124 by Jane H on December 8, 2011
And even one murder at the hands of the FPD is deplorable.
#125 by seer2some on December 7, 2011
I think one of the biggest problems has been the wrong information that has been released. Such as, it took a month for the cops to be put on leave with the Kelly Thomas case and only after the picture of Kelly was released to the media. Cops went to the hospital with broken bones?
If they don’t have all the facts in, just say details aren’t available yet. Otherwise, it looks like a coverup that they have only themselves to blame for.
Maybe, it’s time to get a new spokesperson? or at least make sure you tell HIM what’s going on…..
#126 by Wrong Guy on December 7, 2011
As others have stated before on this blog, Goodrich is probably a puppet who tells the media what his upper brass tell him to say. It wouldn’t surprise me if McKinley is the one who coaches and manipulates what Goodpitch tells the media.
Just think about the non-sense McKinley has been publicly spewing over the past couple of months, ie..”it’s not a good thing, but it’s certainly not a dangerous thing”. Sounds very much like the bullcrap Goodie has been telling the media.
BTW, city attorney Jones was discussing some of those issues, ie. ‘officers with broken bones’ last night concerning the Michael Gennaco investigation.
#127 by Tony's troll on December 7, 2011
Gennacos report will prove the doctor who treated at least one of the officers involved felt the officer may have had a hairline fracture of his arm this was the information the PD had prior to an MRI. The shirtless muscular photo released of Kelly Thomas was in fact Kelly Thomas. It was the last FPD booking photo not the kid in the cowboy hat although that may have been the way he looked the last time Ron Thomas saw him 15 years ago
. The report will also prove Kelly Thomas has in his possession property which did not belong to him and infact the officers responded to the transportation center to investigate a possible crime which had involved Kelly Thomas.
The city attorney knows this information is fact.
The video will show Kelly put up a good fight. Sorry about your theories when these facts are proven. I’m sure most of you will never accept these facts but the jury will.
#128 by Reality Is on December 7, 2011
How dare you say something that people here don’t want to hear!! Facts are not allowed here. Trial will be fun.
#129 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
You assume that this “Tony’s troll” person knows the facts. I think it’s because that is what YOU want to hear, for no good reason other than to be a troll and make trouble.
#130 by Reality Is on December 7, 2011
#131 by blessusall on December 7, 2011
The fact that he was in a position to have to fight–for his life–is the primary issue. They could have handcuffed him long before the brutal beating if he was under arrest or represented a threat. It was completely unnecessary but this is what the police officers of Fullerton do to their citizens. There is well documented video evidence of the pattern of police brutality that continued to escalate until Kelly Thomas was beaten to death.
#132 by merijoe on December 7, 2011
where are these, so called, facts, swamp donkey? where’s the link? not that this bullshit matters cause its a turd sandwich theory-sounds like opinion again, cause thats all you got that and the “doody head” defense
#133 by Reality Is on December 7, 2011
Lol
#134 by seer2some on December 7, 2011
Excuse me, , I’m going with the DA’s version of what he saw, even his assistant said watching it ‘hurt your heart’. For the DA to take the stand he did means Kelly was brutalized.
How could Kelly hurt anyone? He was on the ground most of the time, after being hit with a baton and punched several times in his ribs. The papers in his backpack were already proven to be trash.
This isn’t a few months ago when no one knew what was on that video. The DA was very explicide. You wonder why your department has such a bad rap county wide? Your comments are laughable and suggest you probably spend a great deal of your time trying to convince others the sky is green……..
#135 by citizen M on December 7, 2011
Really how lame is our police dept when they have to take 6 guys to stop one 150 lb man. Yeh he was fighting when you have fat fuck ramos get in your face and say Im gonna f u up…I would fight too- OK Troll let me bring 6 of my freinds to you and see who wins…and see how you fight- you trolls are funny= we are winning and you cant take it haha. LOOOSER!
As for Kelly having mail, yep Ron talked to the man- he threw it away- so yep Kelly picked it out of the trash can- so you lie too.
As for the call- the lady that made the call is having a hard time for falsely calling in a report- because her Boss Jeremy is tired of people asking his outside bar patrons for smokes…so you lie on that too.
The booking foto is not kelly – Ron met that guy- took a picture with him- so you guys keep spewin your crap- we know the truth…. you lie
As for Gennaco, when he went around interviewing people- I asked him- himself how it was going at a City COuncil meeting- he said- there is many layers and its bad, he went on front of the city council and asked that the police officers involved, be available for interviews, he asked for help in doing so- he said he was getting alot of excuses…so he went to the City Cuncil meeting to state in public- he IS NOT GETTING THE INFO HE NEEDS- when you dont give up info- it sounds like a cover up – what do they have to hide? AS for the city atty- he is the biggest douche bag, not sure what he does- I hve asked repeatedly for a job description- he still hasnt provided it, I asked why we hire all the other atty’s when its his job…..yep another lie of yours…
I will never watch that video, its a snuff film and anyone who has watched it more than once- realize you are a snuff film watcher ( I bet you got aroused)…and that puts you on a level I refuse to imagine- troll doesnt fit.
YOU are right on one thing…its for the jury to decide.
Not sure how much you paid for your info–what ever it was- you got robbed.
#136 by Reality Is on December 7, 2011
Please show us where Gennaco said that and went in front of council saying that. That would be a bombshell or sure and I know FFFF woudl have one nuts of that was true.
Send us the link or audio. That’s big news!!
#137 by citizen M on December 8, 2011
Look in past city council, he went in front of the council…I was there Im looking at the footage- gees there is alot…will find and post for you. I think it was in one of thse emergency ones they had. Im on hour 2 of city council…jiminy….
#138 by seer2some on December 7, 2011
What did Jones say about the Gennaco investigation?..
BTW, , here’s a copy of one of his old reports so you can see some of the things they look at and investigate……….
http://laoir.com/reports/9AR-OIR-Annual-Report-FINAL.pdf
#139 by Skippy on December 7, 2011
Marijoe,
Tony Bushala is NOT profiting from anyone or anything now-certainly not from the recall and is not looking to in the future.
Skippy and others -No one is hiding in their homes because TB is on the streets
You are certainly blessed to have his likes in your community, wish there were more of the kind of generousity and kindness in every community-including mine.
Are you one of the Bushala paid signature gathers or do you live in Thompson’s garage too? Talk about a clown house, that place has got to be busting with nut jobs by now.
By the way my complements to Orange County mental health for dialing in CitizenM’s medication. Now if you could only get Chris Thompson off those hydrocodones and booze.
#140 by seer2some on December 7, 2011
Skippy, , the propeller on your hat needs attention…..it’s spinning around like crazy!….
#141 by merijoe on December 7, 2011
Hey Skippy Troll- you got video of this? or some documentation of this? or are you just vomitting diarrhea? just the facts and back them up
And if he is paying for signatures to be gathered so? thats legal and done all the time by others and its mErijoe not marijoe- remember to adjust that foil hat its not on right
#142 by Erin on December 7, 2011
Love you merijoe.. Fuck these fucking fuckers..
#143 by Fred Alcazar on December 7, 2011
Get used to the words: Jones, Bankehead (twice hahaha), McKinley – RECALLED!!!!
#144 by say it on December 7, 2011
I think police training should be given carefully to people who really can serve the people. I was in a situation where this ex-sherrif used intimidating tactics to get what he wanted you to do. Without going further I think the past records of all offices should be availble for public to avoid any incidents.
#145 by seer2some on December 7, 2011
You’re right, , that’s what they thought they were doing when they made into California law the POST (Peace Officers Standards andTraining) requirements. Which includes high physical, psychological, classroom training and complete background checks for all officers in Ca.
But, what good does it do when you have police chiefs signing them off (or bypassing them) for cops like Cincinelli?
#146 by Anonymous on December 7, 2011
No it was about trash and low lifes wanting to take over a council meeting.
#147 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
So now regular citizens are trash and lowlife?
WTF are you talking about?
I guess you must be threatened by all this exposure.
#148 by merijoe on December 7, 2011
Excuse me, dickmunch, no one has the smallest desire to “takeover” a council meeting -you twisted arrogant dingleberry, the goal, is to get the three geezer goons to actually fucking show some signs of life and do the job that the constitution is requiring of them and taxmoney is paying them to do-and since you don’t know any of those people you call “trash and low lifes” you need to pull the stick out of your ass, end your worthless mutatation run and come down to earth.
#149 by Anonymous on December 7, 2011
Oh yeah sure. Shows how ignorant you are.
#150 by merijoe on December 8, 2011
Yeah, genius? ignorant of what?
#151 by streets of fullerton on December 7, 2011
Ron Thomas mentioned during public comments compiments to the police for the quick apprehension of the suspects from the taxi stabbing. I can’t find a news link that says they were aprehended only identified.
#152 by Anonymous on December 7, 2011
I wondered about that too.
#153 by Anonymous on December 7, 2011
Has anyone seen Kenton Hampton patrolling the streets?
I figure he’d stick out like …a fellow …well actually …like a …umm …if you live in orange county you get my drift.
#154 by cg on December 7, 2011
The question is? “Who gives a rats ass where he is” just another employee that needs ethics training. Lots of people need to be fired, companies don’t do that anymore…..They just move the ass holes around.
#155 by The Brea on December 7, 2011
…Cute.
#156 by cg on December 7, 2011
Sorry, I did not mean to offend you…..Just my feelings.
#157 by Fred Alcazar on December 7, 2011
The goon Hampton is on paid leave until the Gennaco “investigation” gets done. The longer it takes, the more the Goon gets for sitting on his ass watching The People’s Court.
#158 by cg on December 7, 2011
If the FPD required polygraphs every few years, I bet that would clean up their act. It’s not so easy when your job depends on a clean poly. Only the ethical would survive. That would also stop the blue code of silence.
#159 by Reality Is on December 7, 2011
Just like daily drug tests, and all the other things people have said here. Or paying them $10 an hour and no retirement or benefits. All pipe dreams. Reality is you won’t get anything close to that. You know that though.
#160 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
“The Times They Are A-Changin’”, to quote Bob Dylan
#161 by cg on December 7, 2011
Did I say all that? No. I am only saying the honest employees have nothing to hide. And are accountable for their own actions. In order to be a Federal employee you must agree to radom polygraphs. Why is that a pipe dream. Or is it different for Pease Officiers?
#162 by Reality Is on December 7, 2011
No one has anything to hide. Doesn’t mean they are going to talk to you or anyone else for fun. Same with drug testing. They are all clean but doesn’t mean they are going to submit to random voluntary drug testing just for fun.
Polygraphs are worthless in my eyes. I’ve always felt that way. They aren’t accepted in court and that’s or a reason. They are too random. Unreliable.
Also comes down to a person or persons running those programs. Takes one politician or anti person to pay them off and show a dirty test or a polygraph they want to see. They aren’t used often for a reason.
#163 by cg on December 7, 2011
What planet do you live on? You need to look outside your box. In the real world if you don’t submit, you don’t have a job. And unions do not protect that….
#164 by blessusall on December 8, 2011
You are right about that.
#165 by blessusall on December 8, 2011
“You are right about that” was referring to cg’s post.
#166 by Reality Is on December 8, 2011
I live in California and just telling you how it is. Sometimes being realistic about what to expect is tough. A program for either of those is not being looked at and seeing a new contract was just signed, it won’t be looked at anytime soon. Yes I know, you say it will. We will compare progress in 5 years. You might want to check on Orange County Sheriffs on their polygraph and drug testing programs since they might be taking over. Just so you don’t have any unrealistic surprises.
#167 by Jane H on December 8, 2011
“They are all clean but doesn’t mean they are going to submit to random voluntary drug testing just for fun. ”
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Clean? Surely you jest.
#168 by blessusall on December 8, 2011
Jane H, I agree with you, too. I laughed out loud.
#169 by Fred Alcazar on December 8, 2011
“No one has anything to hide”
Uh, yeah right. How about that pill-popper Major who committed fraud against Explorers to pay for his habit and got convicted?
Come to think of it, I never saw Goodrich’s press release on that guy.
#170 by Reality Is on December 8, 2011
Refresh our memory. Link? Fullerton Major?
#171 by blessusall on December 7, 2011
Just watched the City Council meeting and the Public reading of Marisa Gerber’s article. Well done, good people, well done!
#172 by vw type 53a on December 7, 2011
None of that matters in the case. I’ll bet you dollars to donuts (lol) that both Ramos and Cicinelli are found guilty. You can posture all you want but when the judge sets the rules of engagement thos two are DONE…and then there’s that pesky FBI thing coming right behind it.
You hang on to your warped sliver of reality but you know in your gut that you are wrong about the outcome of this case, and when the sentences are doled out I will be there like Jimmy was last night to point and laugh at you.
#173 by Reality Is on December 7, 2011
Guilty is a loose term. Guilty of what? You speak of sentencing but don’t get your hopes up on long terms.
I don’t think this case is as cut and dry as you say it is. It is going to be tough to get a conviction. I think best case is both for manslaughter and the jail time for that is minimal now. Federal case will be interesting. I think with the convictions if the happen, will cause the Feds to be satisfied and move on. We will see soon enough, if we both live 2-3 years to see it all play out.
#174 by John D. Roofer on December 8, 2011
RI, “if we both live 2-3 years to see it all play out.” I have a higher probability of dying on the job than cops do!
As a matter of fact used car salesmen have a higher probability of getting killed on the job than cops do.
Stop trying to get people to feel sorry for you and maybe people will give you a little respect, and not just because you have a gun at your side.
#175 by 7-11 Clerk on December 8, 2011
My job is a lot more dangerous than any cop’s. Plus I am much more useful to the community.
I am Hero and Deserve!
#176 by Reality Is on December 8, 2011
Yea ok. Keep thinking that way. I think cops will start trending the way you talk here. I mean why rush into the fights and gun battles, when no one cares? Easy job, no stress, never gonna die? Believe me, it’s happening. If you are in that fight or have that intruder in your house, be ready to handle those first 5 minutes on your own.
#177 by Jane H on December 9, 2011
“I think cops will start trending the way you talk here.”
So, you admit that this blog does have some kind of affect.
What a piece of work!
#178 by Steve Brow on December 7, 2011
Was the purported hairline frature caused by Kelly, by interaction with another cop, or simply the result of crushing Kelly’s face too hard with that arm? We have also been told that Kenny Hampton was tased. Did Kelly do that, or was it Cicinelli?
#179 by Jane H on December 8, 2011
“The shirtless muscular photo released of Kelly Thomas was in fact Kelly Thomas. It was the last FPD booking photo not the kid in the cowboy hat although that may have been the way he looked the last time Ron Thomas saw him 15 years ago”
Facial recognition is excellent in most adult human beings, and primates. I wonder what that makes you. Maybe you recognize people by smell?
That was not Kelly, not even close.
#180 by 7-11 Clerk on December 8, 2011
Oh, okay, thanks for clearing everything up.
Er, so how come the DA brought charges? He saw the video. Did you?
#181 by vw type 53a on December 7, 2011
Guilty is gonna be second degree murder for Ramos and unfortunately only excessive force on Cicinelli in the DA’s case. After that is done the real fun begins.
…Their best bet is to cut a deal if they are offered one. I talked to my dad at lunch today (he is one of those 79 y/o people that 4f bashes on all the time) and even he said he would be surprised if any less will do. Trust me those guys are pooched. This is bigger than you. This is bigger than Fullerton. This is bigger than SoCal…media outlets all over are watching this, and I’m on the side of real reality.
#182 by Reality Is on December 7, 2011
I think murder has zero shot. Not a chance. That’s why manslaughter was added to him. I think best case is manslaughter on both. Then max two years county, which is one year, which could be home confinement with the terms the way they are now.
No deals. For sure. That will not happen with the jail time going on now. Plus, everyone involved really does feel they are innocent.
LOL you are thinking big. I wish your thinking was realistic.
#183 by vw type 53a on December 7, 2011
LOL. I will still be around. I’ll even buy you a drink afterwards, but you have to let me point and laugh at you first.
#184 by Reality Is on December 7, 2011
Sounds good. I would never laugh at anyone. You could be right. If so and that’s what the jury decides, I stand behind it 100%. They will weigh the facts and make the decision they feel fits the crime. Wrongdoing needs to punished. Problem now is the punishments for these crimes are nothing. Sad but tue.
#185 by If the glove don't fit on December 8, 2011
RI, “I stand behind it (what the jury says) 100%”, I suppose you thought OJ was innocent too.
#186 by Wrong on December 8, 2011
The guys just talking shit. His sole reason for being here is to rile you up. Leave him alone and he’ll just go back to beating his kids.
#187 by Reality Is on December 8, 2011
I thought he was guilty based on the facts I knew. I stood behind the jury decision. We all did. Karma caught up to him. Karma usually catches up to everyone.
#188 by cg on December 7, 2011
Their carreers will be gone. Janitors in a halfway house. Cop friends gone. Game over, they lose. They made that choice July 5th. Sounds like a life sentence to me.
#189 by Reality Is on December 7, 2011
True. Cop careers are over. Once they hit 50 they will get their retirement. Until then the will have to do security work. Plenty of that that pays well so they will survive Im sure. No choice.
#190 by cg on December 7, 2011
no poly, no security job. Fact….
#191 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
If they don’t get jail time, I’ll be surprised.
Nonetheless, their punishment is going to be a crappy life doing graveyard security at a shopping mall.
Too much notoriety. And too bad for them.
#192 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
Or janitors, like CG said.
#193 by cg on December 7, 2011
There is one thing, that just tears my heart apart. Ramos has 5 little ones. NOW THAT MAKES ME SAD. But, I am sure they a lot of family support.
#194 by Fred Alcazar on December 8, 2011
“Plus, everyone involved really does feel they are innocent.”
Mind reader, too?
#195 by Reality Is on December 8, 2011
Nope. True. They both feel they are innocent. You will hear it loud and clear at trial.
#196 by Jane H on December 9, 2011
“I wish your thinking was realistic.
”
I wish you lived in the REAL world where REAL people live and work.
#197 by vw type 53a on December 7, 2011
I had to quote that for posterity.
#198 by Anonymous on December 7, 2011
That goes to show you, Ron Thomas thinks he knows everything.
#199 by Anonymous on December 7, 2011
Oh forgot one more potty mouths..
#200 by merijoe on December 8, 2011
Another Anon (or the same one)-
As I said before, Do Not Take Kindness for weakness, especially here”
You post that people low life trash and expect what?
Theres more than one way to be a “potty mouth and low life trash” as you’ve shown yourself to be in your comment.
#201 by Anonymous on December 7, 2011
Nothing wrong with that. Gotta show them who is boss.
#202 by vw type 53a on December 7, 2011
Nothing wrong with that. Gotta show them who is boss.
That is exactly what is going on. Pay attention.
We are reminding them that they work for US!
#203 by Jt on December 7, 2011
Exactly vw.
#204 by Reality Is on December 7, 2011
Who are you reminding though? Will be fun to sit down in 3 years and see what progress you have made in Fullerton.
#205 by Jane H on December 7, 2011
You are such a buzz kill! Creepy too!
#206 by Tide is reich on December 7, 2011
Reality Is Is Ron Thomas.
#207 by Tide is reich on December 7, 2011
Ooops! Silly me. I meant to say Reality Is Ron Thomas is a wonderful man who cares.
#208 by Reality Is on December 7, 2011
#209 by vw type 53a on December 7, 2011
Like I said, drinks will be on me.
It sucks that it has to come down to this though; our elected officials and hired public servants really should understand who they work for without this kind of uprising…if they did the uprising would have never happened.
It’s like the OWS thing…YOU OWE ME DAMNIT! Just stupid. But then again Rome fell in much the same way lol
#210 by Jt on December 7, 2011
OWS were also against political corruption and police brutality, just as we are.
These issues transcend left, right, conservative, liberal, socialist, libertarian. Nobody likes police brutality, except the mainstream poliiticans who always want tor run on “tough on crime” platforms and pass laws giving law enforcement way too much protection against disciplinary actions or criminal prosecution..
#211 by Reality Is on December 8, 2011
Yea you see how far Occupy is going and what they are accomplishing. They are doing one thing for sure. Making cops a shitload of overtime. Other than that it’s just a bunch of homeless people being led by terrible advice from activists. Homeless are loving it though. People paying attention to them daily, sleeping with them, partying with them. Gotta love that part.
#212 by o on December 7, 2011
I find it ironic that Fullerton Police is sending out notices about convicted rapist Antoine Jordan who moved into their city but won’t warn women about the Officer Albert Rincon who is still on their payroll.
“In the interest of public safety, we are notifying our residents about this full-disclosure sex offender.” – Chief Kevin Hamilton
HOOO BOY!
#213 by The Brea on December 7, 2011
HAHAHA! This is rich!
#214 by Anonymous on December 7, 2011
The DA was getting death threats, thats why he threw the officers under the bus.
#215 by Anonymous on December 8, 2011
No Tony’s troll is pretty acurate.
#216 by merijoe on December 9, 2011
Anon-so accurate tony troll wont mind coughing up his source of facts?
#217 by Anonymous on December 8, 2011
Hate to be a buzz kill, but its him. Stop being in denial.
#218 by Jane H on December 9, 2011
Show me pictures side by side.
#219 by Anonymous on December 9, 2011
Does anyone on this blog have actual facts on anything, that goes for you.
#220 by merijoe on December 9, 2011
yes. indeed-links are provided all the time, newstories are given which are easily googled any opinions from FFFF are in response to direct and personal comments by trolls as yourself-Snap
#221 by Anonymous on December 9, 2011
Snap on you. All the links you provide are old news, things that have happen in other places or wrong data..
#222 by Anonymous on December 9, 2011
They have..and it’s him. You are all on denial.
WAKE UP!!
#223 by Jane H on December 9, 2011
Prove it with pics.