A Picture of FPD Officer Christopher Wren Emerges

Wren, on the right, getting a MADD award. Just about the same time as his false imprisonment bust.

As promised I have uncovered the court documents relating to a case against Fullerton cop Christopher Robert Wren.

Mr. Wren got into a little trouble out in the Inland Empire back in 2009 when he did something bad to somebody named Samuel Ramirez. The details of the case remain sketchy but one thing is obvious: Wren plea bargained “no contest” to a charge of false imprisonment, applied for some anger management (no evidence that he ever got help with that temper), paid some fines, and got probation. And of course he remained on the FPD force, presumably in good standing, given the behavior of his colleagues on the squad.

False imprisonment? That’s sounds pretty bad, especially if a weapon was involved. I’ll be awaiting details of the case.

Case summary

Charging document

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281 thoughts on “A Picture of FPD Officer Christopher Wren Emerges

      1. has anyone contacted the DA’s office or the public defenders office to make sure they never file another one of this guys cases and make him a Brady cop

  1. Here goes that old “higher standard” myth again.

    Pull back the curtains and let the sunshine in.

    Those who are appointed to enforce our laws should be held to the HIGHEST public scrutiny possible.

    If they flatuate out of tune it should be open for public review. Otherwise, we do not live in a free society.

    Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

  2. I guess police are held to a ‘lower’ standard as evidenced by FPD.

    The more corrupt or dishonest you are, the more likely you will get promoted like Doughboy Goodrich…

  3. SUPERVISOR NELSON’S CERTIFICATE CORNER

    MADD Deuce Awards (Top DUI Enforcement Officers) – Corporal David Becarra, Officer Donald Blume, Corporal Tony Bogart, Corporal Eric Bridges, Officer Josh Earnest, Officer Kenton Hampton, Corporal Robert Kirk, Officer Eric Leclercq, Officer Brennan Leininger, Officer Glenn Marumoto, Officer Danny Mihalik, Officer Ryan O’Neill, Corporal Tony Rios, Officer Miguel Siliceo, Officer Chad Weaver, Officer Nick Wilson, ***Officer Chris Wren***, Officer Matthew Ellis, Officer Matt Martinez, Officer Christopher Nyhus, Officer Patrick Bates, Corporal Tom Reyes

    http://bos.ocgov.com/legacy4/newsletters/SN_Vol2Issue5.htm

    1. Nice find. Just goes to show you that MADD doesn’t care about good cops or bad cops. Just cops who hand out a bunch of DUI citations.

      You’ll notice Kenton Hampton on the list; and “Go Home or Go to Jail” Kirk; and “That’s not the guy but let’s lock him up anyway” Siliceo.

      1. Those awards show you where FPD’s priorities are.

        Revenue generating cops are heroes in Fullerton…

        1. Sounds like you’re the kind of guy who stops for a couple brewskis on the way home. Yeah, some of these deuce winners are scumbags — but, I don’t want drunk drivers on the road. They did their job.

        1. Back in Feb, I was deeply disturbed watching the council backdrop the MADD rep flanked by the black uniforms. This all the while the liquor joints that are cursing this town are beign given carte blance and a new multi-million dollar parking structure on our dime to further this destruction of public health and safety to the benefit of a select few debaucherous well connected creatures. Simply amazing.

    2. Did Wren attend the Council meeting recently where MADD handed out their DUI awards? Sounds like they should have handed one to the COP that caught Gary Potts!

    3. MADD is total joke. They cover for the bad cops just like the politicians do. No different.

      Apparently Supervior Nelson (former Councilman) is a joke too.

      Some of these freaks must snicker under their breath when they receive these awards knowing how dirty they are themselves.

  4. must be nice to be a former LAPD officer and live next to two FPD lieutenants. Don’t forget his k9 dog he left unattended in his backyard in the heat and it died…. Don’t worry though Captain Hughes just promoted this guy to Corporal…. ugh, disgusting !!!!!

    1. Thanks BC, must be! Would like to hear more about this jackass and his buddies and the other madness they are getting away with.

    2. Coplicker!!! You seem to know sO much! You work there too! Your know inside source! Your the canker sore!!! And to talk bout your fellow K9 and Captain… Reveil yourself! Coward why hide!!??? Stop acting like your for FFF! If your jealous of your fellow employee!! Dont get mad cause he moved up the ranks and your just still a nobody on the department!! You work there! Thats why you know sOOO much! Your no better LOOSER!!! Get off FFF.

            1. There” Hahagagaga!! Yea that’s it! Attack each other.. You probably all work there… Only teachers and officers correct each other on writing correct english. Its called esa or report writing..

              1. Calm down Anonymous, OC, Jay Cincinelli, Not for brains, Kattie or whatever you want to call yourself.

              2. I never comment on misppellings but I just couldn’t pass this one up…hilarious!

                Kattie :
                Its called esa or report writing..

                hey kattie- would that be a Fullerton edumacation you got there?

  5. This is absolutely disgusting, with every passing day this PD/city gets worse and worse. When will we hit the bottom of the well? This is so disheartening.

    FPD’s contract up in 2014..

    “Out the door in One Four!”

    “Out the door in One Four!”

    “Out the door in One Four!”

    “Out the door in One Four!”

    1. That would be a good option but whichever agency takes over, they must know about FFFF and us.

      We’re watching you…so behave!

    2. While there are potential cost-savings in contracting OCSD, we shouldn’t kid ourselves that somehow that will solve our police brutality problem.

      Read this for a reminder: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/07/local/la-me-0308-marine-shot-20120308

      With POBOR and state laws being what they are, it is going to be tough to create a police-brutality-free zone no matter what agency we use. The question then might be over which agency can the people’s city council (I’m hoping for) exert the most control?

      1. I’d rather have a cop who has been vetted for 5-6 years through the jail system over some fresh face thug with only 2 months of training and zero experience interacting with people.

        Fullerton PD in it’s current form has to go.

        1. You might want to google “John Derek Chamberlain” Theo Lacy before you assume that these cops actually learn something in their jail “training” besides how to encourage inmates to kill each other.

          No matter how bad FPD is, we need to look closely and accurately at the alternatives before rushing into them. OCSD is a scandal-laden department.

          1. FPD has dozens of cops who have engaged in crimes ranging from DUI to rape within the past 3-4 years. “John Derek Chamberlain” is a drop in the bucket.

            The department has to be completely disbanded. There is no way around it.

            1. I’m not arguing with you that there is an enormous problem. I just want to make sure that the solution isn’t another enormous problem. Take a close look at OCSD. Aren’t they still under investigation by the Department of Justice for their detention facilities? That case of the marine the deputy (who is still on duty) shot in front of his daughters is a hell of a lot worse than DUIs and iPad theft. How many other unjustified shootings have their personnel committed? How many beatings for no reason? With FPD we have an entire blog devoted to shining a light and we have people willing to devote the time and effort to filing FOIA requests about them. We even have some insiders spilling the beans, sometimes. What do we have with OCSD? How far out of our control would that agency be if they do our policing? If City Council wanted to instruct the agency that we should have zero tolerance for police brutality, for instance, who do we have more control over, our local PD or a county-wide agency?

              This stuff is way too important for us to suggest solutions without fully thinking through all of the possible consequences.

              1. Plain Glazed :
                This stuff is way too important for us to suggest solutions without fully thinking through all of the possible consequences.

                I agree, the last thing we need is to jump from the frying pan into the fire. If services are not contracted out, the entire FPD needs to be dumped and we need to start over, from the top to the bottom. Even the good ones have to go because they cannot be trusted to do the right thing. I trust no one at the FPD at this point.

          2. OCSD has had more scandals than Doan has pills.

            And I think it’s just as dirty today as it was when Corona left. Don’t believe the ‘Officer Friendly’ propoganda. All BS. They are just better at covering their tracks today than they were 4 years ago. That is your only difference. Otherwise, it’s business as usual at OCSD.

            1. Don’t believe the ‘Officer Friendly’ propoganda.

              OCSD is by no means perfect but that’s fine.

              Keep your corrupt police department filled with sociopaths, drunks, rapists, etc. I hope you continue to enjoy watching millions of your tax dollars being paid out in settlements and pensions while your city’s infrastructure continues to crumble.

              Perhaps if you throw enough tax payer money at the problem it will eventually fix itself.

              1. Nobody is arguing that we should keep the department the way it is, and nobody is arguing that we should throw money at FPD thinking that will solve the problem…..

                1. nobody is arguing that we should throw money at FPD thinking that will solve the problem…..

                  You cannot train or fix the FPD because the people responsible for the abuse and corruption are still there and still hold high rank. If you honestly think you train or fix the department you are throwing away your money.

                  Every day the Fullerton PD exists in it’s current form, the residents of Fullerton loses a large chunk of money. Unfortunately as the law stands, you cannot fire problem officers from the department at will so the only logical choice is disbanding.

                  Maywood and Compton did it.

            2. OCSD is always going to have more scandals going on than most city police departments, except maybe Fullerton’s.
              They cover one hell of a lot more cities than any other OC city police agency for one.
              It would be great if there was a Tony Bushala and his blog dedicated to all the OCSD scandals.
              All Sheriff’s Departments utilize the same cover-up tactics and deplorable behavior that Fullerton PD has exhibited over the years; ie. “shooting a run-away suspect claiming he was reaching for his waist area”, “beating the hell out of someone who was cooperating, citing that they were resisting”, etc.
              Which ever law enforcement agency takes over Fullerton, they need to be aware of FFFF and its readers.

              1. I bet OCSD reads this blog everyday. Someone in managment does.

                When the NEW council is seated, they can invite Sheriff Hutchins over for a closed door meeting and ask her about some of these issues.

                What many are not aware of, and why current FPD personnel MIGHT be scared by OCSD taking over Fullerton is simple.

                Some of those current FPD personnel who might be considered PROBLEM children MIGHT not pass an OCSD background check or shall we say and updated background.

                Some current FPD employees might be DEMOTED in rank, some could be elevated. Some will stay at Fullerton, OTHERS could be transfered to other stations, or back to the jail.

                GOD forbid if the “good ol boy” club got broken up and you can bet it will in some way.

                Hutchins is going to war with the Sheriff’s Union about NOT allowing deputies to READ reports or review evidence PRIOR to them being interviewed by Internal Affairs.

                Apprentely a DECADES long practice that she is attempting to change and some within the ranks don’t like that.

                Does not sound like she isn’t trying to change things.

                But the bottom line many within FPD would HATE to see their FAMILY broken up which is sure to happen in some respects if OCSD took over.

                Compare a city that OCSD handles of similiar size to Fullerton, see how the complaints and law suits compare it one way to answer at least of few of these questions.

                The bigger the agency the more the potential problem, BUT you should ask yourself how OCSD handles their problems when compared to Fullerton.

                MANY issues, not just one or two that have caught your attention as it has for some.

                1. There was a story in the Voice of OC about a OCSD cop in south county who pulled out in front of a motorcyclist as he was responding to a call. The motorcylist was unable to stop and collided with the patrol unit. This was all caught on the dash cam – plus the audio. The cops tried to frame the innocent motorcylist as the villian here and recommended criminal charges. When the county lawyer saw the video and heard the audio they refused to charge the guy. In fact, they ended up reimbursing him for damage to his bike. This happened under Hutchen’s watch. There was no report of any action against the cops.. You can probably still find the story at the Voice of OC site.

                  I don’t trust Hutchens any farther than you could throw her.

      2. Thanks — it’s refreshing to see someone here recognize that this is not just a matter of slaying monsters but of choosing among alternatives. Brea PD has been fine, in my experience, but I wouldn’t recommend choosing them based on a lack of “culture of corruption” (mostly meaning falling into like to defend accused officers) without checking them out thoroughly. Most people here seem not to want to bother.

        1. “Most people here seem not to want to bother”

          Greg, it seems like you have an ax to grind, and nothing more. Fullerton’s decisions are very challenging, and all you do is try make them harder. The bottom line is that once the new city council members are seated, this matter about the FPD will have to be addressed immediately. To disband or not, the people of the city will decide.

          Fullerton is in the muck up to its proverbial eyeballs. Take a look at the civil rights cases that have been opened against the city and the FPD.

          http://dockets.justia.com/search?query=City+of+Fullerton&state=california&noscat=5

          1. Opening cases is not the problem. Closing them is.

            FPD — like many or most police departments — has some serious work to do on civil rights issues. But the attack on FPD here goes further than that: it’s that there’s a peculiar “culture” here that can be fixed by personnel changes.

            The problem with the FFFF arguments about the “Culture of Corruption” in the FPD is that there is little reason to think that the FPD is substantially different from the OCSD, or from most any other police agency, in this respect. If this is true, if this sort of “blue wall of silence” is pretty much what you get in police departments without Herculean reform efforts, then don’t you think that the criticism here is somewhat off-track?

            The difference between the Fullerton P.D. and the Anaheim P.D. or the Newport Beach P.D. or the OCSD may be as simple as: this is where Tony Bushala lives and he had the money and the ability to take them down. What if, once he does so — and he gets the major Costa Mesa style “reforms” that he promises — he can’t actually do a thing to provide better policing here, because — unlike lowering taxes and cutting government services — that’s not really his priority?

            My “ax to grind” is with people here refusing to seriously ask the questions they ought to be asking.

            1. Greg Diamond wrote: “………….he can’t actually do a thing to provide better policing here, because — unlike lowering taxes and cutting government services — that’s not really his priority?”

              Well I’d say publishing the KT picture which led to the arrest of two policemen and forced the retirement of the Chief was a good start. I don’t know what you do for a living, but, if you have ever been involved in an oganization with a “culture problem” removing the bad apples is EXACTLY how you do it.

              We don’t need studies and consultants. We need to remove those responsible for this, both employees and elected’s. If the goons in the FPOA want to challenge the dismissals, let them. Disband the whole Goddamned thing.

              Think Petaluma, CA. once they started recalling and firing, guess what happened, people began to liten to the electorate.

              You seem to use a lot words without saying much. Methinks you are overthinking things or you just like hearing yourself.

              1. Tony publishing Kelly Thomas’s picture was good. I give him credit for pursuing the story; always have.

                Have you ever tried to reform a police department? They’re not like other organizations. They’re providing and essential function and they’re armed.

                “Disband the whole Goddamned thing” and then what? You seem more on the ball than most commenters here, but you’re giving what I describe to Jane H below (who claims never to have seen it) as a “childish view.” You really think that OCSD, or Anaheim PD, or Brea PD, are immune to the sorts of problems people here call a “culture of corruption”? Are you really that credulous?

                Hope you agree that I just “said much.”

                1. Greg, people from all walks of life post here. I try to disregard the nonsense coming out of opposition.

                  What’s left are genuinely pissed off people who are going to clear out all that’s rotten in Denmark. Starting anew or reforming; it’s one or the other.

                2. I have never tried to reform a police department. But, I have never tried to cure cancer either. But, I am pretty sure it’s a good idea.

                  If you are suggesting the officers will take up “arms” to keep from losing thier jobs you are delusional. Hospitals also perform essential functions and they are revamped all the time.

                  Are you a FPD officer? What do you think we are fighting for? Our community. We don’t want this here. If you do, vote NO on the recall.

                3. OK just did the due dilligence. Running for State Senate????? REALLY? You better loosen up.

                  Plus, it appears from your own words you don’t vote in Fullerton? Why the interest?

                  You strike me as a rabble rouser. I am sure there is an ulterior motive (there always is with people like you), I just don’t have the time to worry about it.

                  Or your just weird.

                4. > Running for State Senate????? REALLY?

                  Its a sham. It’s obvious he was paid “under the table” to ensure that the incumbent Bob Huff wins unopposed. He even admitted the other day that he really isn’t running.

                  Greg is nothing more than a grifter and opportunist.

                5. @”Dough for”: I’m not campaigning in the *primary*, idiot. I will be doing everything I can to get rid of Huff in November general election. Whether I win by 5 or lose by 50 in June doesn’t matter; we both go onto November. It just tells me where I stand. Huff can afford his own polls; this primary is my poll.

                  Had I not run, Huff would have run unopposed, as Mimi Walters almost did.

                6. @Richard, well, I HAVE tried to reform a department, as part of a very large legal team, when I worked in New York on the “Stop and Frist” abuses there in the late ’90s and early ’00s.

                  I’ve addressed my interest in Fullerton elsewhere. I live on the border, most of my political life is in Fullerton, Brea is pretty well-run and there’s not much I can do there as a Democrat.

                  @Jane — that’s why I agree with the recall of McKinley and his replacement by whoever wins. The Council majority should not stand. That’s what actually BROUGHT me to FFFF in the first place.

            2. 1. Its not about civil rights, its about rampant police brutality.
              2 The culture exists. Read the various stories on police issues in this blog in chronological order. Its all there.
              3. Whether or not the blue wall of silence is the norm is irrelevant. This community’s commitment to changing the department by if necessary making radical reforms is what is relevant.
              4. No, the difference is not that this is where Tony Bushala lives. The difference was the Kelly Thomas killing.
              5. Tony has never promised Costa Mesa style reforms. Don’t make things up based on your simple diametrical political worldview and then attribute them to other people. This group of people are hard to pigeon-hole.
              6. Knowing Tony and Travis, reforming police is a major priority. Who do you think has been doing a lot of the legwork on these investigative reports? This is investigative muckraking journalism as its finest.

              You’re misreading this community, this blog, the bloggers, the reform efforts, what we aim to accomplish, and why. If you go back to last July and read the stories and some comments in sequential order, you’ll have a much better understanding of what is happening here. It is complex, it is grassroots, it is bipartisan, and it is radical in its implications. It is a citizens revolt against brutal policing and corrupt government. Your attempts to portray it simplistically as an ideological power grab by outsourcing fanatics is wildly off bass.

              1. Thanks for the answer.

                (1) Police brutality “is” about civil rights.
                (2) You could probably collect similar stories about most PDs.
                (3) No, it’s not irrelevant, because if it’s the nature of the beast then rearranging deck chairs won’t do much.
                (4) Atrocities like the Kelly Thomas hearing occur every day, all over. You don’t hear about most of them. To Tony’s credit, you heard about this one.
                (5) What’s the difference between Tony’s philosophy of (non)-government and Jim Righeimer’s? No, he hasn’t promised such “reforms” — that doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to use his resources to ensure that they take place. I’ve given FFFF candidates the change to deny it; no denials.
                (6) I agree that the investigative journalism part of FFFF has been good. The yellow journalism part and the trying to take over government part has been not so good.

                I came to FFFF expecting to be a general supporter based on what I knew of it. Then I got to know people. I think that you wrote this before the “Chris Thompson letter,” so you can be excused for that last sentence.

            3. “take them down” do you believe Tony Bushala and Friends for Fullerton’s Future efforts to restore representative government at the municipal level, to demand Fullerton’s police force uphold the laws of the land and not the personal agenda of the petty, city council of Fullerton is merely a wrestling match?
              Bushala and friends have not put forth their efforts to just install “Costa Mesa reforms”. They took up the cause of the populace and spearheaded it into restoring true civility and humanity to our municipal government.
              When others disagree with your comments, you either launch into an ad hominem attack on them or claim the reader has misinterpreted your comments. If the reader consistently misinterprets what you say, then it is not their lack of insight but your strategy of dodging the issues.

          1. I think you’ve been gone during the Diamond Diarrhea of the past few weeks. This tool desperately craves attention and suffers from a serious personality disorder – a manic urge to be politcally relevant.

              1. This site is the best in OC 2 years in a row. You are a big-mouthed barnacle that latches on to others to take credit for their work. Seen it a million times. Just stay on your own site where you and Vern Nelson can chat with each other.

                1. This site did excellent work in pursuing the Kelly Thomas killing. Your being selected “best blog” by the also-libertarian OC Weekly doesn’t mean much. You’re a must-read only because your owner has enough money to possibly determine the composition of the City Council. Your comments are must-avoid for most people, but I sort of enjoy it when you get nuts, like accusing me of taking credit for others work. The actual best political blog in OC is Republican-run “A Bubbling Cauldron.”

          2. Serious and significant reforms in monitoring and retraining. Consult sociological and penological research on what keeps cops from misbehavior and follow best practices. Bring in the ACLU for advice about how to do it, if need be. But don’t have a childish view of how “once the bad men are gone the problem is solved”; recognize that policing poses thorny problems that are intrinsic in the nature of the beast.

            1. “But don’t have a childish view of how “once the bad men are gone the problem is solved””

              I haven’t seen that here. Ideas yes, but a childish view? It seems you don’t have faith in the people who will be governing their own city after the recall.

              1. The candidates aren’t the ones with the childish views; they, like Tony, seem to be intent on re-enacting the Costa Mesa experiment here. They know what they’re doing. The commenters who think that if only you clear out a few “corrupt” cops or bring in a different department, the problem is solved, are being childish, and I am pretty sure that you have seen that here.

              2. Look up about a dozen posts (as I write.) A pretty well-written comment did exactly what I’m talking about. “Just fire the bad people and the problem is solved!!!”

                1. Yes I do — but I also have the strength of ten men! Not really; I’ve just blogged for a long time and can get a lot done quickly.

            2. I think most of us get that. It will not be easy to change a police culture. But a zero tolerance approach to misconduct and brutality would be a good place to start, whether its FPD or OCSD.

      3. ‘Plain’ I agree with you – we may actually find we have jumped from the pot into the fire by being absorbed by OCSD.

        Curious about something …

        Does anyone know what the education requirements are to be a Fullerton police officier – aside from being a high school grad?

        Our family and friends here in Fullerton have wondered and discussed frequently if there has been a study correlating higher education – 4 yr degree + – with lower police corruption?

        We’re not saying having a degree cures all things, but hey… With some individuals you may use your brain a little more and not be so reactionary.

        Just a thought ….

        1. I heard similar findings. J. Edgar Hoover also believed that college educated investigators were much better prepared to deal with the complexities of crime than non-educated knuckle busters.

          Degrees do not instill morality or ethics but it certainly gives you a more well-rounded candidate who knows how to work a system and get a degree… Oh wait, maybe working systems isn’t such a good idea.

    3. I’ve lived in So Orange county for 25 years. No issues with OCSD down here.

      Not saying OCSD is perfect but FPD seems like a continuous shit show

  6. Good article as always Joe.

    ANYONE know who Wren’s attorney of record was?

    If Wren had been convicted of the PC 242 he could not OWN, or be around firearms for a period of 10 years.

    So that would have precluded his continued employment with FPD, MAYBE???

    I find the PC 242 being dismissed, but the false imprisonment standing, VERY interesting.

    A little legal manuevering for sure.

    1. Lessor included to kidnapping. More like not allowing someone to leave a location, versus taking the person from one point to another against their will.

    1. These pukes are sure vigilant when it comes to enforcing the laws against ordinary citizens.

      If they were HALF AS VIGILANT in holding their fellow cops accountable for their wrongdoings we’d have squeaky clean police departments througout Orange County.

      The fact is that they turn a blind eye when their buddies on the force commit heinous violations because they think they’re special and above the laws that they enforce.

      This is precisely why the country is turning into a moral and financial sewer. The ones on top guarding the henhouse are as dirty as they come!

    2. That picture of Wren made me shudder. To think he and Rincon were together doing their misdeeds is horrible, but to think that this was all overlooked and probably condoned by the brass, makes me furious.

    3. At a couple of City Council meetings I think I’ve heard a woman state during Public Comment that she was assaulted by a FPD officer named “Edgar”. Is this officer pictured with Wren that officer? Anybody know?

      1. Tracey, you are absolutely correct. Edgar was the officer Christine Walker accused of assaulting her. I wonder if she was at the city council meeting the night MADD gave the awards. Did she even notice it was him? Interesting.

          1. “She wishes that Edgar had assaulted her. He wouldn’t touch that skanky whore.”

            Mr. Doe, remember that you need to have proper agreement between your subjects and verbs. Also, the term “skanky whore” doesn’t need to be capitalized, unless of course that is a proper noun. In this case you used it as an adjective, therefore capitalization is unnecessary.

    4. Funnily enough, Wren is pictured here with Edgar, another one accused of wrong doing – groping a female Fullerton resident. Thanks for the picture of them.

      1. Edgar was one of the officers the Nordell’s named as pointing a gun at them from three feet away when FPD erroneously raided their home.

    5. Sorry, Tracey, I hadn’t scrolled down so I didn’t are your question. I believe this Edgar is one and the same.

  7. Thanks for posting my response on the blog! Is this Tony? Travis? We know all the names. So…anything I say, you will post on the blog? Cool. Also, I noticed you posted it four times. Thanks. I appreciate you letting our side of the story out there, Normally , the blog blocks my responses. So thanks alot. Still praying for you…

    1. What IS your “side of the story”?? From reading your comment above, I believe that your fairy tale story was something about how your young son wanted some attention from Kelly Thomas. Your young son wanted to play with Kelly Thomas, so your young son jumped on top of Kelly’s head and he may have accidentally broken his cheek bone…..and the picture of Kelly Thomas lying in a coma, brain dead, is deceiving….because Kelly Thomas is still alive, just like you.

      That’s quite the bedtime story; perhaps you could submit it to Grimm’s Fairy Tales.

    2. We all know “your side of the story” and your psychosis issues too.
      Yeah, Kelly should have remained still while he was being beaten,Tased and fighting for air.

      It’s all his fault for not understanding that those fine upstanding fellow humans were taunting the shirtless, unarmed schitzophrenic were only being playful.

      When they politely requested/commanded that he put his hands behind, stand up, sit down, lay down, pick a bale of cotton-they were just kidding.

      When he was hit in the back of the legs with the baton, they were just funnin.

      When Cici decided to sit his lard bucket (ass) on Kelly’s chest and continually knock his head into the curb until he was unconcious and blood spurted out then continued his mad rageathon it was because he felt his life was in danger.

      And everyone piling on Kelly-as they fake cried “stop resisting” into their DARS -there there is another side to that that we all need to hear about that too.

        1. > What video did you see merihoe. It wasn’t the same one everyone else saw.

          Since you were there Cincinelli, tell your side of the story.

    3. this chick or dude is probally seeing out of one eye like their psycho son/husband/sister/ or whatever the relation.
      AND I KNOW YOU ARE READING THIS, SO ID LIKE TO SAY JAY IS A KILLER…

  8. So, let me see if I understand this: A person will have a hard time getting a job in the financial sector handling money/assets of others if they have a bankruptcy; but a police officer gets to keep his job after accepting a ‘conviction’ of a crime committed with a firearm? Just curious. Another reason to be fearful of my local police.

    1. Shimon, yes – that’s precisely how it works. A bank clerk can’t get a job if she has a petty theft conviction or even a history or writing bad checks or a even a poor credit rating.

      But a cop getting $100,000 plus in compensation can drive drunk, falsely imprison people with firearms, or a slew of other various crimes, yet keeps his badge and gun and can write you cites for jaywalking!!! 😀

      We live in a thoroughly corrupted society – and it starts at the VERY TOP!!!

  9. Well, a number of police officers from various agencies actually live in my hometown of Upland, California. Believe it or not, these police officers like to tell their stories. Even the ones who are no longer officers.

    One story I heard involved killing an innocent bystander during a vehicle pursuit in Fullerton. An officer was driving their cruiser in very reckless manner (think race car) during this pursuit and struck an innocent bystander on the streets of Fullerton. The impact killed the individual and the last thing that was stated to have been seen was an explosion of pink spray.

    At the time (2006), I really didn’t pay too much attention to what this individual had to state. This former officer continued and stated that the Fullerton Police Department was corrupt. Apparently, there was some cover up involved with the incident.

    Is the story true? I don’t know. If you have information pertaining to unlawful conduct involving a police officer, you need to contact the Department of Justice and report it.

  10. His saving grace is that he was convicted of a misdemeanor. Were it a felony, he’d be auto-terminated and banned from reapplying for an LEO position elsewhere.

    It appears that he was initially charged with felony battery but the charge was dropped.

  11. Looking at this example, it reaffirms my belief that the OC DA is probably just as culpable for allowing this shit to continue.

    Rincon wasn’t charged with anything? Give me a fucking break. The judge in the civil suit could hardly believe what he was hearing. Now the city is left holding the bag.

  12. The documents posted above state Wren committed the crime 1/30/2009. The misdemeanor complaint from the San Bernardino County DA is dated 3/17/2009.

    Why wasn’t he on Administrative Leave by the time the Orange County Register published this article on 4/1/2009? http://www.ocregister.com/articles/boys-124264-cave-officers.html

    Pat McKinley was still police chief at that time. FPD policy requires officers with a CCW endorsement to report any arrest or conviction to their supervisor. He should have been placed on Administrative Leave at that time because a conviction under PC 242 would have revoked his right to possess a firearm for 10 years under PC 29805, unless relief is granted by the court under PC 29855.

    The handling of the case reeks of a backroom deal because the PC 242 charge was dismissed in favor of PC 236 which does not carry the firearm restriction. Battery and False Imprisonment are quite different, but that’s just my opinion.

    With regard to McKinley and later Sellers, were they appropriately notified of the arrest? If yes, why was Wren still on patrol on 4/1/2009? If no, did they discipline Wren for failing to report the arrest? And what about that PC 236 conviction?

    1. snakes, from the evidence showing a pattern of Fullerton police officers breaking the law while on McKinley’s watch shows McKinley as our police chief believed he and his hand-picked bedroom city commandos were above the law.

  13. Good point Snakes. His attorney of record would help us know the outcome and why.

    My question was he a private practice attorney from withing the community, or was he a union attorney?

    1. Matt you had no chance getting his endorsement or his effort to get you on council. His choices that he is trying to influence others to vote for are his blogger friends and some he has supported in losing efforts in the past. After the last election there was talk about a recall and KT was the spark they needed. If you think this is about KT or the water tax you’re kidding yourself. By the way Matt I like how you put this out.

      1. Thank you. I stand up for what I think is right – when that aligns with Chris’ agenda, he supports me; when it doesn’t, I get thrown under the bus in favor of Barry Levinson…just like when my campaign video was released on this site and Chris tried to hijack it for Barry. Barry is more than capable of campaigning for himself. Hopefully, this ploy by Chris is seen for what it is.

        Matt

        1. and for the record…for me this all was because of Kelly Thomas. That’s the reason I got involved; so, regardless of what you think about the motives for the Recall, for me it really is about justice and accountability.

          Matt

          1. That’s sort of sad. I would have considered you as a possible vote. Your lack of understanding of the water tax and redevelopment scams just sank you in my esteem, brother. The KT killing tipped the recall balance but a lot of other shit led up to it.

            Vote yes on the recall. Vote Levinson.

            1. Who says Matt doesn’t understand the water tax and redevelopment scams? its not like they’re particularly complicated to understand, and they’ve been brought up enough times that I’m sure he’s aware of them. I don’t like those scams either but of course they pale next to the police issues.

              1. WTF? Levinson is as far from a “career politician” as on can get and still be involved in their community.

            2. I really wish people wouldn’t campaign here. I see how this can turn REALLY nasty.

              Even though I’m undecided, Matt you have my respect for running. Thank You for stepping up and doing what I didn’t have the courage or time to do.

            3. I was at the water rate study presentation and made public comments on it when it was presented to the committee. I made comments on it at the following city council meeting in early March, and I made comments on it at the candidate forums at the Fullerton library, and on the OC Register’s article about it posted online (See reader comments at bottom – http://www.ocregister.com/news/candidates-354260-city-recall.html )
              Mr. Cameron, my views are out there in public. What “lack of understanding?”

              1. “Doug Chaffee and Matthew Rowe said the overcharge should be carried forward and used to repair infrastructure and lower water rates”

                Um, no that’s not “understanding” anything, Matt. The fee is an illegal tax under Prop 218. It can’t be “carried forward” (not legally, anyway, which is which is exactly what the three dim bulbs are trying to do!) since that too would be illegal. The City has to start over with Prop 218 hearings to establish reasonable costs to run the waterworks and apply that cost to the ratepayers.

                And I am distressed that you don’t think the issue of the illegal tax on a basic commodity like water isn’t that important.

                I also think that you are a comparative novice about city issues. My guess is that a year ago you couldn’t name a single councilman. And that’s okay. City government isn’t rocket science. But turning this city around will take a lot more than kicking the FPD into shape.

                BTW, I am not voting for Levinson.

                1. did you read my comments at the bottom or just Lou Ponsi’s half-sentence summary of my views? How are rate payers going to be refunded, when some have moved into the city recently and others have paid for years or moved out? The responsible thing is to conduct an actual audit of the city’s costs to maintain water infrastructure and charge only for that amount. Any surplus funds that have not been transferred to the general fund should be applied to pay down municipal debt.

              2. Please tell me how many times you were out in front of the police station for the Kelly Thomas protests, or how many signatures you personally submitted for the petition to recall these three from elected office?

                1. So if you illegally charge me an extra $10 a month for 20 years or $2,400 + interest with the implied threat of non-payment causing a lien against my property, I’m now supposed to believe that it’s going to be too much trouble for you to find me to offer me a refund?

                  Did you even try to find the ratepayer who was blatantly ripped off for all those years through the Recorders Office?

                  Instead it sounds to me like your willing to forgive the city for ripping us off and letting the city keep all of our monies because they’re indigent?

                  Next time you get arrested for petty theft, try selling the Judge that argument and see what it gets you.

                2. What you’re demanding is something similar to an outcome of a class action lawsuit.

                  Please bear in mind that the costs associated with such a settlement typically run around 1/3 of the verdict. If you really think what you’re asking for is a good idea and want to fork over a large chunk of money to a bureaucrat to do the slicing and dicing– fine. I think what you’re asking for is stupid. You’re also limited to 3 years worth of refunds. The amount of time and effort you’re demanding isn’t worth it.

                3. Re: Refund length– fair point. For the record, this is my understanding of the statue of limitations. I’m willing to admit that may be wrong, but that’s how I read it. Doesn’t mean it’s true, so the challenge is fair.

                4. @Travis — uh, are you under the impression that there is no statute of limitations for seeking damages against a city? Please do elaborate!

                5. Why don’t you explain what kind of statute of limitations applies to a voluntarily given refund.

                6. @Travis — Oh, so you aren’t talking about a lawsuit — what you want to do is to go into the city’s bank account and start flinging around money to property owners. (You’re not planning on getting any into the hands of renters, are you?)

                  OK, can you spell out exactly HOW free you plan to be with tossing around other people’s money? And maybe you can address what you plan to do about the budget once you suck all that money out for the sole benefit of homeowners. Do you plan on pursuing civic bankruptcy, Travis? I’ve already asked you once….

    2. I agree Matt. I was surprised to see that mailing today. I also thought that the Recall was a bipartisan, or non-partisan effort, as it should have been. I don’t think Chris should have stated his preferred slate like that in that format. I would prefer if Chris would write a blog post about who he supports and why, and encourages other frequent commentors to share their picks as well. You are an excellent candidate and the voters should be taking a good look at your positions. Jane Rands is another great candidate people should consider. I have nothing against Sebourn and Levinson and I personally support Travis but I just didn’t think forwarding those names was appropriate. Though he did say it was just his personal opinion.

      1. Although Chris Thompson did state that it was his personal opinion, the Recall campaign should remain bipartisan.

        Thompson also went on KFI (~2 weeks ago) and made a plug for his personal choices. Originally, he went on KFI (The John & Ken Show) to talk about the recall and at the very last minute, he stated the candidates that he supported.

        An individual blog post would be more appropriate as Mr. Taylor mentioned above.

        On that note: I would like to say that I personally dislike Greg Diamond. That’s my personal opinion. 😉

  14. Greg Diamond :
    This site did excellent work in pursuing the Kelly Thomas killing. Your being selected “best blog” by the also-libertarian OC Weekly doesn’t mean much. You’re a must-read only because your owner has enough money to possibly determine the composition of the City Council. Your comments are must-avoid for most people, but I sort of enjoy it when you get nuts, like accusing me of taking credit for others work. The actual best political blog in OC is Republican-run “A Bubbling Cauldron.”

    At least no one reading this has to be hooked up to a jet engine to stay awake like they do with your drek.

    Money can’t make a person a talented, old jealous, boring windbag of Orange County.

    The OC Weekly is highly regarded by more people than you realize and, as much as you bulldoze and yap about everything, you’d be the 1st person to boast out loud, if you were the receipient of the high honor of being recognized by them as best of anything-let alone a blog.

    And, you’re the “what not to do” part of the instruction manual of how to write an interesting blog.

    1. The Weekly has its good points and it’s bad points. I enjoy reading it, much as I enjoy the actual substantive stories (as opposed to the ones that are agitprop insults) here. It’s good with scandals. Politically, it can be really, really unsophisticated. So I can see why you like it.

      How can I, as one person, “bulldoze” the lot of you?

  15. If I’m looking at the case information correctly, it looks like this Christoper Wren guy was also charged with Battery. But that charge was dismissed. Why?

    So he was originally charged with both battery and false imprisonment. Those are very serious charges, and if he wasn’t a cop, he would be doing some serious jail time. Is there anyone else would still have a job if they committed a serious FELONY WHILE they were employed? I know that “false imprisonment” doesn’t always mean that you literally imprisoned someone…such as locking them in a room or whatever. It can also mean if you somehow prevent someone from leaving on their free will. It’s basically one step down from kidnapping, I think. He could have been someone up, or pulled his gun on them. It’s possible it could have been a situation similar to the Trevon Martin incident. Maybe he confronted someone while he was off duty, or got into a fight with them or something and pulled his gun. Who knows. But in any case, those are serious charges and seem to indicate that he’s a violent hothead.

    It really does sound like the ENTIRE FPD is corrupt. I’m so glad I don’t live in Fullerton. But this has also taught me that there are far more bad cops out there than I realized. I used to believe that most cops were good and genuinely wanted to protect the community. Not anymore. Now I’m beginning to think that most of them are just power hungry hotheads. Maybe 55-60 percent of them are good, and the rest of them are bad. And that’s being optimistic.

    As far as the FPD goes, I’m beginning to wonder if there are ANY good cops there at all. Maybe the entire department is made up of psychopaths and rejects from other city police departments.

    1. You are in fantasyland Chris. I’m glad you don’t live in Fullerton as well. Just make up scenarios to fit your story.

      1. But he was booked for a felony. So you have to wonder if there were any injuries involved in this incident.

        That would be important to know. Reduce whatever charges you wish, does not mean a felony was not committed.

        The injury issue is important to know.

  16. Matthew Rowe :
    Chris Thompson Hijacks Spirit of Recall – read all about it…
    http://rowe4fullerton.com/featured-posts/294/

    The more you talk, Matt, the more it is hurting your campaign.

    I’m seeing personal characteristics in you that are not very flattering. You come across as an immature, elitist, arrogant West Point grad.

    Chris Thompson never threw you under the bus. He expressed his own opinion. Stop whining because he didn’t endorse you.

    1. > You come across as an immature, elitist, arrogant West Point grad.

      OUCH! That is not called for.

    2. I have no problem with Chris Thompson voicing his personal selections; my problem is with him using the recall petition signer database as his own personal political forum. A lot of us from across the city and different political beliefs worked for this recall. Chris SHOULD NOT try to transfer the fruits of all of our labors for his own preferred candidates. Put it in a personal blog post.

      Sincerely,
      Matt

      1. I admire a lot of what Chris has done re: the recall, but this was sleazy and stupid, period. If he wanted to add a personal note it should have been to thank everyone who supported and participated in the recall (across the political spectrum, though that part might have only been implicit).

        And you’re the one getting criticised for unflattering behavior? Ha!

      2. I agree with Nipsey. I think that was just Chris’s opinion and I’m betting he made that call on his own. Tony was the person who first told me to check Matt out as a candidate, so I wouldn’t assume that Chris speaks for this blog, for Tony, for the Recall campaign, or for anyone else other than himself when he made those personal endorsements.

        1. I don’t see any one voice that blogs here, but the latest Recall mailing was most bizarre. Talk about shitting in your own nest.

    1. The only thing that FFFF has influenced me on, is fact that our City Council needs to change. FFFF never told me who to vote for. Chris T can make his choices, just like I can make my choices. Tony, also has his City Council choices.
      So, vote!!!!! Don’t just bitch about the system.

  17. I already voted for you Matt. Sent in my absentee ballot. I like your independent steak and that is why you got my vote. Best of luck to you. I also think we need some youth on the council The 3 that we are recalling are all like 80 years old

  18. Greg Diamond :
    This site did excellent work in pursuing the Kelly Thomas killing. Your being selected “best blog” by the also-libertarian OC Weekly doesn’t mean much. You’re a must-read only because your owner has enough money to possibly determine the composition of the City Council. Your comments are must-avoid for most people, but I sort of enjoy it when you get nuts, like accusing me of taking credit for others work. The actual best political blog in OC is Republican-run “A Bubbling Cauldron.”

    And what excellent work have you ever done? You popped up like a mushroom trying to glom onto the loser Occupy movement and now you’re jumping into local politics you know NOTHING about to try to be relevant. Please go back to where ever it is you came from and stay there.

    1. Greg’s hunger for attention is sickening.

      Greg, looks like your Ph.D in social psychology didn’t teach you anything about your narcissism.

      Epic fail.

    2. Not commenting on Greg but Occupy serves a useful function if you’re a libertarian or conservative. Whether you agree with the protestors or not they have First Amendment rights and the coordinated crackdown on their largely non-violent protests, with Homeland Security networking with state and local law enforcement should give all who value freedom some concerns. Its a different battle but its related. But I do agree, local context is really important here and Greg totally underestimates the political significance of what is going on in Fullerton..

      1. Diamond is a parasite. Notice how quickly he jumps from Occupy to supporting lame Establishment liberals like Sharon Quirk at the drop of a hat. He even wants to be a lame Establishment liberal politician (his failure will be Titanic).

        The biggest supporters of Homeland Security police state apparatus are lame Establishment liberals.

        1. Establishment liberals have a lot to answer for, and they do promote and support the security state. But the number one promoter and supporter of Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, NDAA, Guantanamo, War on Drugs, etc. are….. wait for it….. drum roll….. “law and order” Republicans. Which by counting their votes on all of the above is the vast majority of that party or at least its political representatives in the House and Senate. And if you asked them, every one of them would describe themselves as a “conservative.” Its not that liberals are without blame. Its that by obsessively focusing on them you let Republicans skate, but they’re the ones who wrote most of that legislation.

          1. You’re right — establishment liberals do have a lot to answer for, and I’m fighting those fights as well, including supporting initiatives such as “Regulate Marijuana Like Wine” despite not being a cannabis user myself.

            And, yes, traditional Republicans are worse in this respect.

        2. I’m still volunteering as the Civic Liaison for countywide Occupy and am about as active as anyone in our discussions. I haven’t “jumped from” it. And my campaign is pushing Occupy ideas and ideals — many of which have a lot on common with FFFF at its best. (Unfortunately, FFFF is not now at its best.)

          Sharon is a lot more moderate than I am, but having negotiated against her when Occupy came to Fullerton I know that she’s smart, asks the right questions, and is tolerant of protest. I understand that Norby is a nice guy, at least if you’re not married to him or otherwise female, but he lives in a policy fantasyland; of course I oppose him.

  19. This guy wren is what all LE call. The “Teflon Man”. He gets in so much trouble and nothing sticks. Lies, says he goes to radio calls and doesn’t. For just working for about 6 years. I think he only worked patrol one year the rest has been in special assignments. Kills his dog, beats some kid, on probation. And he got promoted to a Corporal..Wow, Yeah, A Teflon Man!

  20. Well at least this guy Wren doesn’t appear to be the usual FPD wide load, if that counts for anything.

    BTW the only technique that works with an internet troll is a complete shun, a refusal to engage despite the provocation. Every 100+ post thread here seems to suffer from the same infestation.

  21. FPD is rotting from the inside out. The FPD culture is devoid of ethics and professional standards.

    The agency hires goons with low emotional intelligence who use physical violence as their preferred strategy. Its a pervasive pattern of behavior that seems to follow the officers home and into their personal lives and dealings.

  22. There are bad doctors.. there are bad plumbers.. there are bad accountants.. there are bad mechanics.. and what about those teachers? On and on we go with the bad. But not one of them will willingly take a bullit for you.

    Say one good thing about an officer today. Just one.. without your sarcasm. You know they are not all bad.

    Support the good in all people. Everyone one has at least one good thing goin for them.

    1. Are you seriously trying to convince the residents of Fullerton that any one of those six officers would have stood up in front of Kelly Thomas if another officer decided to finish him off with a bullet?

      1. YOU DON’T GET IT. THE REAL JOY IS THE ELONGATED EXTENDED TORTURE SESSION IN PUBLIC WAS EXECUTED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE BOYS IN BLUE DO WHAT THEY LIKE WHENEVER THEY WANT. THIS NUISANCE WILL BE THROWN OUT OF COURT WITH THE DAs HELP.

        1. THE REAL JOY IS THE ELONGATED EXTENDED TORTURE SESSION IN PUBLIC WAS EXECUTED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE BOYS IN BLUE DO WHAT THEY LIKE WHENEVER THEY WANT.

          This explains why your pals Monterey Jack and Mean Machine Angel …errr I mean Ramos and Cicinelli are on trial facing very serious charges.

          THIS NUISANCE WILL BE THROWN OUT OF COURT WITH THE DAs HELP.

          Yeah, keep dreaming. “Jerry”.

        2. No, Cicinelli will be convicted of involuntary manslaughter — and rightly so.

          Ramos was doing exactly what the FPD wanted him to do, and it was not clearly unconstitutional, so he will skate.

    2. > But not one of them will willingly take a bullit for you.

      This is what I was talking about the other day, most of these guys can’t speak English proficiently despite being born, raised and taught here.

      All they can do is type out a few badly worded cliches and speak in broken phrases.

      > Say one good thing about an officer today.

      “Innocent until proven guilty”, “Don’t call 911 when you need help”, “They put their lives on the line everyday” and “Its a thankless job” *drools*

      > You know they are not all bad.

      No kidding. The problem is not “police officers” in general but psychopaths, drug dealers, rapists and other thugs who waltz in without a care in the world because in the end they know mindless meatheads like you will blindly support them no matter what.

      After all “its a thankless job”.

      > Support the good in all people.

      Even Mohamed Atta?

      > Everyone one has at least one good thing goin for them.

      Yes, lets ignore the evil acts committed by an individual because none of that is important when they have a good thing “goin” for them.

    3. There’s not a single FPD cop that would take a “bullit” for me. I think I would stand a better chance with my plumber. And he won’t beat me to death just for fun.

    1. Sigh, terminal case of never having learned when to just shut the hell up. And a pointy hat award for possibly posting more responses to his own post than everyone else combined. I say possibly since I can’t be bothered to count, because who gives a shit?

      1. It’s sort of weird, isn’t it? He keeps doing posts on material from FFFF, then starts commenting on his own posts because nobody else will.

        1. I’m wondering if a house call by Dr. Reinhold Ott might be in order to help this clown shakes the bugs out of his noggin.

          1. Joe, back where I come from guys like GD are usually rolled in cow dung and tarred in feathers, and then paraded around the village till the cows come home.

            Good call! Dr. Ott would surely help put things into proper perspective.

            1. The local equivalent of being rolled in cow dung is dealing with you guys in comments here — and I’m doing that voluntarily.

        2. I’m thinking, maybe its because the pearl clutching wackadoodle knows if he comments on posts in here, he’ll get pencil whipped without benefit of much ego stroking support.

        3. LOL MJ.
          @nipsey/@cameron: Absolutely dead on. He loves to hear himself type. Most of the comments on his blog are posted by him. Since he has a degrees in social psychology, you would think he would be better at identifying his own narcissism.

          1. I’d like to introduce you to math.

            Most means “more than 50%.” You can total up all of my comments there, and divide it by all of the comments there, and check your assertion. You’ll find that your streak of pointless lies is safe.

    2. That’s me being a lawyer, merijoe. We make demands. When the demands are rejected, then we act on them. But we start with demands. See, you learned something here today!

  23. THE RECALL FOOLISHNESS WILL GO NOWHERE. THE BOYS IN CHARGE WILL BRING FINAL JUSTICE TO THE STREETS FOOLERTON CA AND DELETE THIS BULLSHIT ONCE AND FOR ALL.
    GET USED TO IT THE FPD OWNS FOOLERTON AND THE OWN THE THE DUMB TAXPAYERS. THAT’S THE WAY IT IS AND THAT’S THE WAT IT’S GOING TO STAY. HeHeHe

  24. I didn’t know idiot had a color-no neck, maybe.

    I see this all the time in the private sector, companies merging to save money-Google/YouTube, Facebook/Instagram, Exxon/Mobile, Ford/Volvo, etc.

    Can FPD do this sort of merging with a neighboring PD?

  25. Matthew Rowe :
    did you read my comments at the bottom or just Lou Ponsi’s half-sentence summary of my views? How are rate payers going to be refunded, when some have moved into the city recently and others have paid for years or moved out? The responsible thing is to conduct an actual audit of the city’s costs to maintain water infrastructure and charge only for that amount. Any surplus funds that have not been transferred to the general fund should be applied to pay down municipal debt.

    Let’s see, my guess is that Fullerton has an electronic record of everybody who has paid a water bill in the past three years. Of course it will be inconvenient, but so is victim restitution to the people who commit theft and are caught.

    BTW, Please explain what municipal debt Fullerton has.

  26. He strikes me as looking like a typical cop who is long on power, short on brains.

    These people have no business getting compensated in excess of $100,000.

    They are idiots who should be working the deep fry basket at the local fast food outlet.

  27. http://www.policemag.com/Videos/Channel/Patrol/2012/05/Miami-Cannibal-Attack.aspx

    The street drug commonly called bath salts was only recently criminalized. The Orange County Coroners office does not screen for this new designer drug. In July of 2011 this drug was freely sold in tobacco shops in downtown Fullerton. Had Kelly Thomas been high on this drug the night he was fighting with police? The family cremated his body so no additional tests can be made. The behavior of Mr. Thomas the night of the incident and the behavior of the Miami suspect were eerily similar.

    1. Please. Jesus, how so? You holes will grasp and claw at anything to plant doubt in anyone’s mind that this was Kelly’s fault. Because you know you are guilty. Kelly was not fighting with the police, he was trying to get air in his lungs.

      The po-po’s killed an innocent man fin.

    2. Who are you still trying to convince, really?

      Its over and done with. The video is out and has been viewed by millions, two cops have been charged and the city has settled with Kathy Thomas.

      Its over! There is nothing left! No more excuses! No more BS!

    3. That last statement is actually laughable. No… Kelly Thomas’s behavior in no way resembled the Miami suspect’s behavior. Kelly Thomas didn’t eat anyone’s head off.

    4. Oh you’re so right! I forgot about the whole part of the incident where Kelly was found gnawing off Ramos, Cicinelli, and Wolfe’s faces. Thanks so much for reminding us!

        1. > Why gnaw off faces when there is trash cans to eat out of.

          Oh look Jay Cicinelli made a funny about the guy he helped murder! Your kids must be so proud of their brain damaged psychotic daddy.

          1. It’ not Cicnelli dick brain. He wouldn’t be caught in this lame blog. I am only here to stir the pot.

    5. Sometimes its hard to know where to start in addressing such ignorance. Ok, first off, “bath salts” are not “a new form of LSD.” “Bath salts” are amphetamine-like, cocaine-like, or MDMA-like synthetic drugs. There are a range of compounds sold in this fashion, including (at that time the now Federally scheduled drugs) mephedrone and MDPV. People can have psychotic episodes on these, particularly MDPV, and particularly if the dosage is too high. But the vast majority of people who take those drugs do NOT have psychotic episodes.

      So, they are not LSD-like, they do not turn all users into raging cannibalistic psychopaths, and there is no evidence to suggest Kelly Thomas had bought and consumed these rather expensive and exotic substances. Further, if he had it is possible that toxicology would have detected it since I believe these compounds may screen positive for amphetamine testing, though I’m not sure.

      1. You addressed it well. Suddenly, though, I’m a little worried about the commenter who named himself “I Eat Greg.”

    6. Asshat,

      The FPD’s barbaric behavior that night closely resembled the cannibalistic attach in Miami,

      You think we’re naive enough to take your statements at face value? You are a dumb f*uck.

      In addition to the standard forensic immunoassay tests on blood, urine, and tissue samples, more definitive techniques using gas chromatography-mass spectrometry were employed.

      You see asshat they were really trying to find drugs to shift the blame back to Kelly but there were no drugs in his body to be found.

  28. For the record :
    What you’re demanding is something similar to an outcome of a class action lawsuit.
    Please bear in mind that the costs associated with such a settlement typically run around 1/3 of the verdict. If you really think what you’re asking for is a good idea and want to fork over a large chunk of money to a bureaucrat to do the slicing and dicing– fine. I think what you’re asking for is stupid. You’re also limited to 3 years worth of refunds. The amount of time and effort you’re demanding isn’t worth it.

    Asking for my hard earned money back that was systematically stolen from me by the city for over 20 years is not worth the time and effort and is stupid?

    Oh o.k. my bad.

    1. Yes, asking for a bureaucrat to comb through over twenty-million water bills (85,000 meters (w.a.g), billed monthly, twenty years) to sort out your fair share is stupid. It’s not worth the time, effort, or cost. That money would be better applied elsewhere.

      What you’re asking for isn’t simple. I certainly understand why you feel like you were ripped off. You most certainly were, but let’s be realistic– you’re talking about the government trying to resolve this problem. While perhaps the individuals assigned to the task are very competent and up to the challenge, the system is not. Do you really think that this can be done fairly and in an appropriate time frame?

      If so, please share whatever it is you’re smoking. It sounds amazing.

      1. It’s actually pretty simple if you use a computer. First step would be to use the county property record data base to locate the property owner of record each year on December 31st, and then cross-reference that information with the bills that the city sends out, and calculate a refund of 7.5% of all monies paid by the property owner of record for that year to the city, and we issue the property owner a refund.

        If the owner of record is no longer at that address reflected in the county tax records, than the city should and probably would be compelled to turn the check over the the California State Controllers Office which maintains an online data base of unclaimed property.

        http://www.sco.ca.gov/upd_msg.html

        p.s. sound like you could use a little smoke break yourself as opposed to throwing your arms up in futility whenever someone steals money from you.

          1. Nothing rosy or lucky about it. It’s called standing up for yourself and not being deterred by lame excuses.

  29. For the record :
    Yes, asking for a bureaucrat to comb through over twenty-million water bills (85,000 meters (w.a.g), billed monthly, twenty years) to sort out your fair share is stupid. .

    Apparently you are not familiar with the word “audit”. It is done all the time, and we can be damn sure it won’t cost $27 million; the amount stolen from us all. I would be willing to help perform the audit pro bono.

    FTR-I wouldn’t share my shake with you.

    1. I agree this is done all the time, but it’s not an audit. It’s a claim distribution fund, which are very expensive.

      Don’t worry– you don’t have to share with me. I’m not owed anything anyway. As noted above, I admire anyone who views the solution with rose colored lenses– I think it’s significantly more difficult than you do. Doesn’t mean you can’t try. Best of luck.

      1. kelly Thomas was on drugs? :http://www.policemag.com/Videos/Channel/Patrol/2012/05/Miami-Cannibal-Attack.aspx
        The street drug commonly called bath salts was only recently criminalized. The Orange County Coroners office does not screen for this new designer drug. In July of 2011 this drug was freely sold in tobacco shops in downtown Fullerton. Had Kelly Thomas been high on this drug the night he was fighting with police? The family cremated his body so no additional tests can be made. The behavior of Mr. Thomas the night of the incident and the behavior of the Miami suspect were eerily similar.

        TRINA GIVE IT A REST. kelly was innocent and those pigs are guilty. get over it

    1. “We’re opposed to it (the recall), because we don’t think the councilmen have done anything wrong,” said Cpl. Barry Coffman, president Fullerton’s police union. “The recall movement is spearheaded by one individual who wants to strengthen his position in the city.”

      Not a resident, not a business man– and quite frankly, why the recall needs to succeed.

      Pretty simple folks. Are you with the police union or do you think they need some help reforming?

    2. What was the point of this Edgar Allen Ponsi piece pointing out what we know already, ie the amount of money Tony B. has put into the recall campaign. What is wrong with this sea monkey?

      1. Simple merijoe. It’s a free political add. People will read it and vote no on the recall. Win win for the NO peeps.

  30. Matthew Rowe :
    I have no problem with Chris Thompson voicing his personal selections; my problem is with him using the recall petition signer database as his own personal political forum. A lot of us from across the city and different political beliefs worked for this recall. Chris SHOULD NOT try to transfer the fruits of all of our labors for his own preferred candidates. Put it in a personal blog post.
    Sincerely,
    Matt

    You wouldn’t have a problem if Chris Thompson endorsed you over Levinson. That’s the bottom line here. This has nothing to do with the fruits of your labors, or being bi-partisan, none of that.

    You’re crying like a little boy whose parents have taken away your bag of candy. Get over it. You are not entitled to anything and Chris is welcome to do whatever he pleases. He has that privilege working for Tony who financed the recall effort.

    And if you don’t like that, cut Tony a check for $100,000 so you have an equal say in telling Chris who to endorse by e-mail.

    1. “Chris is welcome to do whatever he pleases.”– Snakes

      Don’t be so sure of that. See final sentence.

      “It should be noted that the petition or list of signatures may be used for no purpose other than the qualification of the initiative measure. (Elections Code § 18650.) This requirement prohibits using the names and addresses on petition sections for a mailing list for fundraising or other purposes.”

      http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/initiative-guide.htm

      1. Oh Jesus, pull your head out. Thompson used the voter registration forma and the recall sign-up sheets. There’s no place on the recall petitions for e-mail addresses. I know because I manned a table for a while.

        If you start believing that idiot Diamond you’ve brain damage in your near-term future.

        1. Sorry, I only meant to state that there are indeed limits on what can be done with the information and there are rules for what a PAC can and cannot say. Chris doesn’t have a golden ticket to do whatever the hell he wants. That is all . . .

    2. I love how people who don’t use their real names like to talk tough online. You sound pretty outraged that I exposed this, “Snakes”? – nice name, seems fitting.
      If you think that Thompson gets carte blanche to flout election laws by deceiving people into doing work for the recall initiative, then uses that information to benefit select political candidates, while withholding it from others, then you are wrong. This has everything to do with what’s right and what’s fair, whether you choose to believe it or not. People like you are the reason we have so many scumbag politicians at every level. You want your side to “win” no matter what the cost, so we all lose….pathetic. I don’t want Thompson’s endorsement, or your vote.

      -Matt

      1. Since you never addressed my original question Mr. Rowe, I’m still left to wonder aloud exactly what work you’ve done for the recall initiative?

        I also asked if you were front and center during the Kelly Thomas protests?

        1. Okay, that’s it. You’ve completely hijacked the thread, Matt.

          I’m going to put up a new post where y’all can start a fresh thread on the topic of the “Spirit of the Recall.”

        2. I posted the answer about what I did for the recall like 3 times because it was awaiting moderation. It’s up on this blog in several places.

          Yes, I was out at many of the Kelly Thomas protests…ask Ron Thomas. I talked to him every time I was there. Ask Ricky Stauffer. Ask Tony Bushala. Ask Andy Anderson, Stephan Baxter, Curtis the homeless guy, or Larry the Hell’s Angel, or Dan Hughes, chief of police. I know I spoke with him at the protests a few times. Where you there?

          1. I “where” there at the Kelly Thomas protest from the first week until the end. Not sure why I never saw you there?

            1. As both a Fullerton Lover fan and a Matt Rowe fan can I ask you guys to please stop? Both of you guys have been involved since day 1. Honestly you guys just need to have a couple beers together.

            2. Is that a question or a statement? These inferences of yours are troubling. You sound like a doubting Thomas.

              Are you asking why you didn’t see Matt there or are you implying that he’s lying and he wasn’t there?

        3. What exactly are you trying to imply? That Matt showed up, got his clipboard, and turned around and left? That he wasn’t an advocate for Kelly Thomas? That he didn’t speak at city council meetings and call out Pat McKinley?

          Matt signed the recall petition, collected signatures, and advocated for action.

          I can’t tell if you’re trying to get out and front and call Matt a liar and a fraud or if you’re genuinely curious as to what he’s done. Your tone is more indicative of the former than the later. Given Matt’s participation, that’s really screwed up.

          1. I’m not implying anything. I’m asking two simple questions and your answer is very defensive, but still not definitive.

            1) Did Matt Rowe stand outside of the FPD to protest for Kelly Thomas?

            2) What specifically did Matt do for the recall initiative?

            1. 1) Yes.

              2) Signed the recall petition, went door to door and collected signatures, spoke out for change (quotes include the LA Times and OC Weekly), and addressed the council.

      2. Okay, that’s it. You’ve completely hijacked the thread, Matt.

        I’m going to put up a new post where y’all can start a fresh thread on the topic of the “Spirit of the Recall.”

      3. Matt- Maybe you and Chris can get together and help each other bandage your feet from the gunshots.

        What a telling last few days it has been here at FFFF for those who are undecided.

  31. Standard FFFF Tony move Matt. It’s ok for them to do anything but if someone else does it, it’s wrong. Good luck.

  32. Only one felony? A misdeameanor battery and a miusdemeanor false Imprisonment? You got to be kidding me. Anyone else would be chrged straight felonies denied bail or set bail at 1 million plus.
    Do you guys feel safer?

  33. I am the top member of { Drunks Against Mad Mothers } And im appalled that piece of sh-t gets an award. He needs a lesson.

  34. I’m ready for a good old council bashing. This is a sure re-call victory to the folks in Fullerton. And then my group { DAMM } is going right to the PO PO station for a victory and give all them f___ers an a__ whipping award.

  35. Greg Diamond :
    @Travis — Oh, so you aren’t talking about a lawsuit — what you want to do is to go into the city’s bank account and start flinging around money to property owners. (You’re not planning on getting any into the hands of renters, are you?)
    OK, can you spell out exactly HOW free you plan to be with tossing around other people’s money? And maybe you can address what you plan to do about the budget once you suck all that money out for the sole benefit of homeowners. Do you plan on pursuing civic bankruptcy, Travis? I’ve already asked you once….

    I’m curious as to why renters be due a refund? My understanding is that it’s the owner of the property that pay for the water and trash?

  36. kelly Thomas was on drugs? :
    http://www.policemag.com/Videos/Channel/Patrol/2012/05/Miami-Cannibal-Attack.aspx
    The street drug commonly called bath salts was only recently criminalized. The Orange County Coroners office does not screen for this new designer drug. In July of 2011 this drug was freely sold in tobacco shops in downtown Fullerton. Had Kelly Thomas been high on this drug the night he was fighting with police? The family cremated his body so no additional tests can be made. The behavior of Mr. Thomas the night of the incident and the behavior of the Miami suspect were eerily similar.

    Ramos didn’t report Kelly was nibbling at his elbow? Doesn’t look like bite marks to us, and we saw the photo of his little booboo. It looked more like a scrape.
    We think maybe Ramos, Wolfe, and Sissynelli were snorting bath salts before work, It’s plausable that they were snorting bath salts, hours before they went on a psycotic rampage, and It wouldn’t show up on any of their drug test.

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