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Here’s how it happened. And no, I wasn’t there…

As expected, the new council voted 3-2 to begin “negotiations” with Dan Hughes to become Fullerton’s police chief.

Flory, Chaffee and Fitzgerald took their vote even as questions remain unanswered about Hughes’ role in the aftermath of Kelly Thomas murder, and accusations that Hughes himself was involved in an incident which is now the subject of a lawsuit against the City; and of course ongoing suspicion that Hughes has been an active part of the Culture of Corruption every step of the way.

Now watch ‘em give away the store.

Oh, and yeah: you will not be getting a police oversight committee.

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  1. #1 by The Fullerton Harpoon on December 19, 2012

    Hughes claimed that somebody else let the Fullerton Six watch the video and re-write their reports and that he disagreed with this.

    And yet he was the ranking officer on the scene, so I have to believe that was an outright lie. Of course Ponzi swallowed it whole.

  2. #2 by Praying about this too on December 19, 2012

    Thank you to Bruce and Greg for doing what you could last night to bring accountability to the cop shop. And thank you to the articulate citizens who spoke out for truth and justice.

  3. #3 by Giant1 on December 19, 2012

    The reign if idiocy has come to an end for all of you deceitful propoganderers who started and maintain this site. Live by the lie, die by the lie.

  4. #4 by Concerned citizen on December 19, 2012

    Giant1
    Talk about projection!

  5. #5 by Sanity Returns on December 19, 2012

    Congratulations to the majority of the City Council for seeing past the Tony B. smokescreen and voting to move the Fullerton Police Department past the KT debacle and back to serving our community without fear of persecution by a vocal minority.

    Congratulations to Dan Hughes for finally getting his well-deserved formal job offer.

    It is good to see that the number of active members of the Culture of Crybabies continues to dwindle at both the City Council and FFFF.

    Now some of you can use your free time to get back to smoking weed with your bimbos in the back room of the pizza joint. You feel so entitled that you selfishly risk their liquor license and the existence of the business itself of a small business owner too intimidated by you to put a stop to it. You know who I’m talking about. Your time will come.

  6. #6 by Jolie on December 19, 2012

    Maybe Kiger should have worked on getting a Chief’s oversight committe up and running instead of the legalization of fireworks…..Happy 4th of July everyone!!

  7. #7 by Concerned citizen on December 19, 2012

    Barrabas was released last night by blind people who think they see

  8. #8 by Shapeshifters on December 19, 2012

    It’s not over yet.

  9. #9 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    LMAO, you think because people like Flory and her supporters made a decision about Danny Boy it’s OVER????

    You think Flory is the “fat lady” and she sang the song? LMAO!!!

    You really think Flory, second cousin to Edith Bunker could argue and defend Danny Boy face to face with say Ben Lira?

    How could the 3 clowns possibly do that?

    Oh wait, Danny Hughes, Coffman,Goodwrench and a couple of others will be there with the arms up the other 3′s arses like hand puppets.

    NO WORRIES?

    I am just suggesting before you bust out the champagne you hold off.

    If Hughes told Flory and the others they have NOTHING to worry about as to what Lira said, and they DRANK that Kool-Aid, OH MY.

    I’d say AT LEAST let Lira take a crack at this before you all get excited about Danny and pee all over yourself.

  10. #10 by Jane H on December 19, 2012

    Of course Hughes got the job offer. Civil Service rules are a joke. Everyone in it knows how to get around them. If they want someone in a position all they have to do is pretend to do an outside recruitment and some candidate interviews. They do this knowing full well that a candidate has already been chosen.

  11. #11 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    Jane H :
    Of course Hughes got the job offer. Civil Service rules are a joke. Everyone in it knows how to get around them. If they want someone in a position all they have to do is pretend to do an outside recruitment and some candidate interviews. They do this knowing full well that a candidate has already been chosen.

    YEP!!!! But the cheerleaders don’t know that Jane.

    That’s the simple minds Danny and Flory LOVE to talk to.

  12. #12 by Anonymous on December 19, 2012

    Fitzgerald is a RINO! She was MIA during recall and now pulls this stunt. No wonder why she failed to earn the OC GOP Endorsement!

    No backbone Fitzgerald!

  13. #13 by van get it da artiste on December 19, 2012

    Kelly Thomas is forever shoved under the dirt by Fullerton PD’s culture of corruption.
    And since Kelly’s death, the Fullerton PD and Fullerton city council have buried the ugly facts surrounding Kelly’s death with piles of white paper labeled “independent , investigative reports” and falsified police reports.
    And as others have said, the only candidate our current city council considers for role of police chief is Dan Hughes, the ranking officer on the scene of the Kelly Thomas murder?
    Why do the civic leaders Flory, Fitzgerald and Chaffee only want Hughes to know and control the machinations of our town’s police force?
    Do civic leaders Flory, Fitzgerald and Chaffee fear the truth about Kelly Thomas death and the numerous other civil rights abuses committed by Fullerton PD will be exposed by an outsider with ethics who will uphold the laws of our land and tell the truth to the public?
    When a town’s police force engages in frequent civil rights abuses on the community it has vowed to serve and protect, this corruption of law enforcement occurs when there is tacit or explicit approval of its civic leaders.
    How much tax money have our civic leaders paid out to the victims of Fullerton PD?
    Recently Kelly Thomas mother received a million tax dollars for the wrongful death of her son at the hands of Fullerton PD.

  14. #14 by Jane H on December 19, 2012

    It’s all rigged, and as long as the cheerleaders are getting what THEY want, why rock the boat?

  15. #15 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    Now I think EVERYONE read Lira’s posts from the last couple of days.

    WHAT PART of Lira saying, “ask Hughes” this, with that LONG LIST don’t you all UNDERSTAND?

    WOW PEOPLE, from my position behind the keyboard that’s a SERIOUS red flag that tells me SOMEONE has been keeping GOOD notes.

    Maybe Mr.Greg Diamond would like to tell us that with that MANY “ask Hughes” this, that in his years how many cases stuff like that turned out to be 100% bogus at the end of the day?

    We are NOT talking about a McDonalds employee folks, were talking about cops.

    Whether disgruntled,angry, medically retired, whatever ,you want to attach to it, PROBABLY has some EVIDENCE to back up their claim.

    If you want to take the likes of Mr. Horn Honking ticket writer Barry Coffman and crew, saying it ain’t so BEFORE allowing Lira to speak, YOU are an idiot.

    Some of you are walking into a potential ambush of emberassment by CHEERING for Danny at this point.

    FREAKIN wait people.

  16. #16 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    Jane H :
    It’s all rigged, and as long as the cheerleaders are getting what THEY want, why rock the boat?

    AGREED, Lira has not officially rocked the boat.

    I SURE hope SOMEONE said last night WAIT, let’s hear from Lira first?

  17. #17 by Jane H on December 19, 2012

    “Why do the civic leaders Flory, Fitzgerald and Chaffee only want Hughes to know and control the machinations of our town’s police force?
    Do civic leaders Flory, Fitzgerald and Chaffee fear the truth about Kelly Thomas death and the numerous other civil rights abuses committed by Fullerton PD will be exposed by an outsider with ethics who will uphold the laws of our land and tell the truth to the public?”

    Very good points.

    I believe you answered your own question in the second question.

  18. #18 by Fullerton Rudy on December 19, 2012

    ever notice how Hughes looks like a younger version of McKinley.

    Very creepy. Another “charming” character.

  19. #19 by Fullerton wants acting police chief permanently on December 19, 2012

  20. #20 by Jane H on December 19, 2012

    Lou Ponzi is a suck up, and not worth his weight in Times New Roman font.

    “We have somebody who is committed to this town, committed to the Police Department and committed to the citizens,” said Flory, pointing to reforms made under Hughes’ leadership.”

    Committed yes, but what else would he be at this point?

    “Fitzgerald agreed, saying Hughes has undergone “a vetting process like no other.”"

    And he’s hanging on for dear life. His vetting process consists of keeping track of his lies, which I am sure is exhausting.

  21. #21 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    In reality Lira MADE his bed when he said “hold off” I WANT to confront Hughes face to face before a City Council meeting.

    I have not heard of such a public challenge in recent memory.

    See many of you don’t know that Danny Boy was pretty much in charge while sitting in his office talking smack to Lira and who ever else.

    Now the situation is reversed, Danny Boy won’t be in charge and able to tell Lira “be quiet”, that’s what’s a bitch about all this.

    Lira put his manhood on the table, RIGHT NOW!!!!

    A face off with Lira, with all his fellow employees, and the FPD trolls.

    WOW, Lira did talk the talk in the last couple of days, NOW he has to walk the walk.

    He is asking to do just that.

    Will the “fat boys” of FPD be able to handle such a challenge like NEVER before? DOUBTFUL.

    Their dumbasses HELP created this situation.

    Hopefully a fed or two from the FBI civil rights division will be quietly sitting in the audience watching to see if “fat boy” Coffman and any of his thugs get “stupid”.

    This is some good stuff people, serious DRAMA unfolding AGAIN in the City of Fullerton.

    If Lira does not show up, HE is toast as to credibility. NO QUESTION about that.

    I think Coffman and crew talked TOO MUCH shit this time.

    We will see!!!!

  22. #22 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    Jane H :
    Lou Ponzi is a suck up, and not worth his weight in Times New Roman font.
    “We have somebody who is committed to this town, committed to the Police Department and committed to the citizens,” said Flory, pointing to reforms made under Hughes’ leadership.”
    Committed yes, but what else would he be at this point?
    “Fitzgerald agreed, saying Hughes has undergone “a vetting process like no other.””
    And he’s hanging on for dear life. His vetting process consists of keeping track of his lies, which I am sure is exhausting.

    Like Flory and her band of clowns really know what goes on in the SECRET world of the “thin blue line”.

    I can sit back and vision how Flory would PEE her pants on about 99% of what cops face.

    YES I want Flory and her crew right next to me when the stuff hits the fan.

    The only thing they know as to what Danny Boy has went through, is what they have been told by Danny Boy.

    Maybe Danny Boy has shed a TEAR or two expressing in CLOSED chambers what he has been through. LOL!!!!

    Poor Danny Boy is suffering from OVERLOAD of cover up.

  23. #23 by E-TICKET on December 19, 2012

    Flory, Fitzgerald and Chaffee won’t be able to plead ignorance – they have now all been noticed of Hughes alleged allegations and by entering into negotiations, they are doing so in bad faith unless they require as part of Hughes employment contract a full 1542 release. Knowingly hiring a government employee with a pattern of alleged misconduct begs a full investigation to check the veracity of such conduct, by not doing so, and entering into negotiations, each council member is placing themselves at personal liability. By skirting appropriate inquiry, these parties will have engaged in a breach of their fiduciary and civic duties as well as fraud, and fraud will expose them personally.

  24. #24 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    You all remember Lira telling us how Danny Boy had the boys gather around on the night of July 5, ASK everyone if their DAR’s were off, then said “good job”???

    KT was in the process of dying from that beating, and Danny Boy is right out there high fivin with the crew.

    Remember that EVERYONE? Do you think Lira pulled that out of his butt?

    There is some stuff you just CANNOT make up.

    Even team players who want to believe in the BOSS shutter when their boss throws their own under the bus.

    Once everyone in FPD saw Danny Boy throw Ramos,CiCi,Woulfe and some others under the bus when the shit hit the fan, ANY cop even a “team player” would know Danny Boy is a POS as a cop and a leader.

    I’d hate to think AFTER that that, ONE or more cops did not go out and buy their own DAR and start taping guys like Danny Boy to CYA at some future date, knowing that Danny Boy is OUT FOR HIMSELF.

    WHO and the hell can trust someone after that?? NO ONE with a brain.

    Danny Boy want to gamble that NO ONE in the ranks of FPD can’t call BS on him?

    If I was working there, I might have kept my mouth shut in order to keep my job, BUT I’d have a tape recorder stuck up my ASS everytime I talked with Hughes,Crum,Goodwrench and Coffman.

    I’d be stealing every DOCUMENT,memo,email, I could find, SAVE it for a raining day.

    Maybe Lira did just that.

    Crooks do NOT get to claim confidentiality when they are involved in the crimes of conspiracy as it appears right hear.

    So Mr.Greag Diamond JUST maybe that’s why Lira’s attorney don’t care how much his client talks.

    Maybe Lira was one of those guys at some point who started GATHERING evidence for a rainy day.

    I’d hope others in FPD did or have done the samething.

    Working on Hughes GOOD WORD has proven to be full of holes.

    And what Hughes is doing now is just as EVIL as what they did to Kelly Thomas.

  25. #25 by Lira's Only in it for the Lira on December 19, 2012

    Lira’s only in it for two things…..Benjamin Lira and the money.

    What’s keeping Lira off Fullerton property and speaking at City Council meetings? A fear of being fired?

    He can’t be arrested for coming to a City Council meeting. He’s given some slightly changing dates (last Friday and Friday the 28th) as for when he’s off the payroll and will supposedly be “free”. If he’s such a moral standup righteous guy, why not sacrifice less than two weeks’ pay to speak at the meeting last night?

    You need to ask yourselves about the moral compass of a guy who kept quiet about all these supposedly horrendous things that occurred with regularity over the last 17 years, and only comes forward when it’s clear he’s being fired. He has yet to present ANY evidence other than his own words of ANY of these incidents.

  26. #26 by Salty dog on December 19, 2012

    Let me get this straight. Doug Chaffee wants the MWD appointment to include a process for selection. Doug Chaffee DOESN’T’ want a similar process for chief of police.

    Sounds inconsistent to me.

  27. #27 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    Lira’s Only in it for the Lira :
    Lira’s only in it for two things…..Benjamin Lira and the money.
    What’s keeping Lira off Fullerton property and speaking at City Council meetings? A fear of being fired?
    He can’t be arrested for coming to a City Council meeting. He’s given some slightly changing dates (last Friday and Friday the 28th) as for when he’s off the payroll and will supposedly be “free”. If he’s such a moral standup righteous guy, why not sacrifice less than two weeks’ pay to speak at the meeting last night?
    You need to ask yourselves about the moral compass of a guy who kept quiet about all these supposedly horrendous things that occurred with regularity over the last 17 years, and only comes forward when it’s clear he’s being fired. He has yet to present ANY evidence other than his own words of ANY of these incidents.

    And YOU have thus far FAILED to present ANY evidence to counter Lira’s allegations.

    Danny Hughes is ALSO in it for the himself, the money, and his REPUTATION and EGO!!!

    NEXT!!!

  28. #28 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    In addition to what I said below, Lira like so many other cops are AFRAID of losing their jobs.

    DO NOT attempt to use such an ANALOGY when you have to ask that of ALL the others including Hughes.

    Apply your thoughts to ALL those involved.

  29. #29 by Lira's Only in it for the Lira on December 19, 2012

    So Lira, who has already lost his job, is afraid of speaking at the Council meeting for fear of losing his job?

  30. #30 by HIGHer learning on December 19, 2012

    Oh how the tables have turned!! Oh the power of bitchala and his cronies are no longer! Kt’s army is long gone, and the fffers are whining like a bunch of school girls!! Lets all just move on with our lives! Haha

  31. #31 by "Holy Sadistic GREED, BATMAN!" on December 19, 2012

    You are looking at it from the wrong angle, Danny Hughes is being set up for a big big fall from what little grace his fans have for him.

    Dont look at it as a 1 yard line 4th and 20, but the play of the century. They are in total denial and cant fathom the possibilities and actual history of that video, the criminality has not come to its fruition, but the fiscal and economic realities are. (Credit downgrade, downturn in local business, Cities negative light, and very serious safety issues, In 3 years the average American families has lost 39% of their assets with serious inflation)

  32. #32 by "Holy Sadistic GREED, BATMAN!" on December 19, 2012

    In ancient philosophy (Machiavelli), “Cruelty is the quality required for leadership” it seems to be mixed with a lot of stupidity and greed in Fullerton.

  33. #33 by Rain on December 19, 2012

    I did not “expect this” and am evidently too optimistic or naive.

    The collusion, secrecy and false representations, all occurring “on Hughes’ watch” amounts to corruption, in a MURDER case, following actual rape-force thuggery, “tough guy” arrest-detention brutality and even multiple incidents of theft, can only be termed a CULTURE OF CORRUPTION, stinking up the entire FPD.

  34. #34 by truthseeker on December 19, 2012

    Yeah the oversight committee is just too damn expensive according to Chaffee’s fuzzy math. Funerals, frame ups, ICU bills and lawsuits are far more cost effective and the resultant chilling effect has been proven to be redeemable for its weight in gold. Folks it is still our town. Cronyism defined in Fullerton last night and yet the American experiment still lives and breathes.

  35. #35 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    If you think the tables have turned and your safe, LOL, OKAY!!!

    Your save when Lira has been beatin down before the City Council.

    Then maybe I’ll agree with that.

    Would your IP address come back to FPD or City Hall?

  36. #36 by Christian on December 19, 2012

    Blatant hypocrisy by Fitzgerald, Flory, and Chaffee. You cannot have it both ways and expect the public to turn a blind eye.

  37. #37 by Not seeing much change in the council on December 19, 2012

    So keep this in mind when you watch the council meetings
    Flory
    Chaffee
    Fitzgerald
    Last night Flory kept saying she wanted her turn to speak but she and the council were given that chance by Mayor Bruce twice on each issue, is she the new Bankhead, half asleep on the dias?
    Chaffee, looks good when he is quiet but when he opens his mouth, just like Jones, very very telling on where he is coming from and he sometimes looks like the fool.
    Fitzgerald is more like Mckinnley, ran as a Republican but doesn’t vote like one and laying it on thick with the empty compliments to “staff”. Her ego is way too big for a newly elected councilperson.
    I am sure this will not be a dull two years, keep watching.

  38. #38 by HIGHer learning on December 19, 2012

    “And YOU have thus far FAILED to present ANY evidence to counter Lira’s allegations.” Quoted by ACU.
    Well what evidence has lira presented so far??? ACU you are a moron, always trying to sound educated or knowledgable! Just move out of your moms basement, put the pipe down and get a job!

  39. #39 by PittBull on December 19, 2012

    I’m trying to decide which the City of Fullerton is? Dumb, dumber or dumbest? Since they are repeating errors of the past that go to the heart of civil liberties and appointing Frankenstein as their police chief….I have to go with ‘dumbest’

    Those with any self-respect should pack their bags and head outside the City limits.

    Kelly must be spitting his grave.

    The monsters are back in charge.

    God almighty. Now I’ve seen it all.

  40. #40 by Jane H on December 19, 2012

    I am still listening to last night’s council meeting, but I can say right now that Chaffee’s an idiot, and Flory has an axe to grind. Even her fake soft voice and droopy eyelids can’t disguise her anger. Chaffe say Fullerton has been without a chief for too long, as if that’s a good enough reason to hire someone, even if he is not right for the position.

    All this strange behavior from the council regarding the chief’s position is a study in “Democracy gone bad” and sounds like desperation.

  41. #41 by "Holy Sadistic GREED, BATMAN!" on December 19, 2012

    KFI 640 AM Radio, and 40 minute Fullerton Stories, interviews he has papers but interviews have emotion, like being able to hear many minutes of Ramos before a murder charge. (He seems to have been set up, Ramos)

    There was tapes of Timothy McVeigh too. Very very chilling to knowingly bomb in front of a Day Care Center, to bring down an FBI building.

  42. #42 by Lifesaving Service on December 19, 2012

    Criminal, Local Government corruption and cover up!!!!

    They spent 160,000$ on Gennacos whitewash and cover up of a report. The piece they point to so often.

  43. #43 by HIGHer learning on December 19, 2012

    Pittbull, I think you should lead the mass of idiots out of town! You would be doing all the residence of Fullerton a huge service!
    Also it’s “spinning” in his grave you idiot! Spitting! Really!

  44. #44 by Peaches on December 19, 2012

    Jane – I had the same thought re: “fake soft voice”… “She talks a lot but says nothing” fits her to a “T” (my opinion)

  45. #45 by PittBull on December 19, 2012

    The fix is in, folks!

    You citizens have been “had” again.

    All the money that the honorable Mr. Bushala spent was all for not.

    No wonder honest men with ‘big money’ (there are a few out there) refuse to get involved in this crap. They understand that the fix is in. That it’s ingrained into our society and that there’s no turning back now. So they refuse to waste their hard-earned loot. They didn’t make their money by being stupid. I assume that Mr. Bushala is an idealist. And being an idealist is honorable – just not smart in this modern day of theft, corruption and indecency at the hands of our leaders.

    I applaud you, Mr. Bushala. Thanks for trying, dude. But you faced powers much bigger than you are. The bad guys won again.

  46. #46 by O.G. Fullertonian on December 19, 2012

    I am looking forward to Mr. Hughes squirm and squeal in the various depositions he will face in the future. Cops may rule in the streets, but in a conference room full of lawyers he will be out of his element and wont be able to point a gun to threaten anybody. This glorified hustler will have a short time to celebrate his promotion…

  47. #47 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    HIGHer learning :
    “And YOU have thus far FAILED to present ANY evidence to counter Lira’s allegations.” Quoted by ACU.
    Well what evidence has lira presented so far??? ACU you are a moron, always trying to sound educated or knowledgable! Just move out of your moms basement, put the pipe down and get a job!

    LIRA sounds like he will when he comes before the City Council.

    YOU can’t wait for that? Hell if you live down there MAKE it happen and we will ALL see.

  48. #48 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    And I bet your in mom’s kitchen right now eating. Haven’t seen your toes in a decade.

    Now go put on your blue uniform and go pat Hughes on the back.

  49. #49 by nipsey on December 19, 2012

    Like hell, he’ll celebrate long into his (now even more ridiculously) padded retirement.

  50. #50 by Shimon Mendel on December 19, 2012

    Maybe your last paragraph is valid; but the ‘KT debacle’ as you call it is only one of the later links in a chain of FPD fuck ups, illegal acts, terrorist activity, or shear stupidity that at warrant civilian oversight of the FPD. As well, I pray that DOJ ends up coming down hard on the PD, they deserve it.

  51. #51 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    Are you paying attention, or what.

    NO Lira has ASK to speak or challenge Hughes and company before the City Council.

    PRIOR to that Lira and I am sure a few others haven’t spoken out IN FEAR of loosing their jobs.

    If your a long time blogger you will have read where I said that shortly after I came in here and started posting.

  52. #52 by Benjamin Lira Believes in Unicorns on December 19, 2012

    It’s really up to Lira to prove his allegations, not for anyone else to disprove them, especially incidents that allegedly occurred 10 or more years ago. How can you expect Hughes prove that something didn’t happen?

    And of course Hughes is in it for himself, the money, his reputation and ego. Aren’t those motivations included (among others) for almost much anyone seeking a promotion at any organization?

  53. #53 by Lira's Only in it for the Lira on December 19, 2012

    Are you stupid, or what?

    Anyone can put their name on the list and speak during public comments, including Lira. He doesn’t because he wants another week of pay.

  54. #54 by Shimon Mendel on December 19, 2012

    Fullerton HR has done whatever it wanted since the days Personnel Director Mark Flannery changed nepotism rules when he started dating a city employee.

  55. #55 by Friendly Neighbor on December 19, 2012

    Wrong.

  56. #56 by Shimon Mendel on December 19, 2012

    No it probably has to do with how much paid administrative leave he is given.

  57. #57 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    Hmmm Kelly Thomas murder was July 5th, 2011.

    What incidents are you talking about from 10 years ago?

    Seems everything Lira has said is withing the last 5 years or less.

  58. #58 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    REALLY did Lira tell you that Barry?

    Of course none of your pals nor yourself would MILK the cash cow right?

    But you will take a FREE hamburger when ever possible.

  59. #59 by Shimon Mendel on December 19, 2012

    long live 3 @ 50!!!!!

  60. #60 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    Someone better hope Lira doesn’t produce any audio tapes or emails either.

    I think you FPD boys are hopin for the best.

    Your listening to Danny Boy, he is telling YOU no worries, just like he did with those 6 coppers on July 5th.

    Did I ever tell you, you can’t fix STUPID???

  61. #61 by Barry Levinson on December 19, 2012

    Last night at council we witnessed the death of reform in Fullerton. Only in Fullerton can we have a city manager with no financial expertise anointed to run our city. Only in Fullerton can we have a chief of police who was in charge of 6 cops who brutally murdered an innocent person, then let 3 of them walk scot free and then be anointed as our permanent chief.

    I would agree with Dan Hughes when he disagreed with the choice of words that describe FPD as a culture of corruption. Dan the phase “culture of corruption” does not do justice with the actual state of affairs in our current police department and city. The way I would now describe a majority of our city leaders would be the following! It is a stinking cesspool of greed and dishonesty that has completely abdicated all civic responsibility!

    Before I am labeled a police hater, let me make it clear I am talking about how the police is currently managed. I know there are many good officers at FPD that do their best to protect me and all others in our city.

    But decisions have consequences, and last night felt more like a funeral than a promotion party to me and many other concerned citizens! It was the death of reform and the chance for good government in Fullerton for at least the next 2 years!

    Can you smell the stench…….I can!

  62. #62 by Greg Diamond on December 19, 2012

    Yep. I think that they’ll have to establish a commission — unless they want to see the pro-FFFF majority back in charge in 2014 or 2016.

  63. #63 by Neener Neener Suck My Weiner on December 19, 2012

    Police hater.

  64. #64 by Greg Diamond on December 19, 2012

    I’m not going to evaluate Lira’s evidence here. If he doesn’t have a lawyer, though, I would consider it a bad sign. (And no, I am not trawling for work in saying so.)

    Yes, if Lira’s charges were borne out, it would blow up spectacularly in the current Council majority’s face. My guess is that they’ve factored in their best assessment of that probability.

  65. #65 by Greg Diamond on December 19, 2012

    Does Lira even have an attorney? I haven’t heard definitively either way. He should have had one for a while, but he acts like he doesn’t have one at all.

  66. #66 by Shimon Mendel on December 19, 2012

    Dear Mr. Levinson – How much money, for how long a period will need to be infused into a reform movement before the PD management can be ‘overthrown’ (for want of a better word)?

  67. #67 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    Don’t know for sure, Coffman said and so did Lira on the KFI boardcast he had one.

  68. #68 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    I would agree Mr.Diamond on their best assessment, but their information probably comes from Hughes himself.

    I lost count on the number of times situations like this has done just that blown up in the politicians face.

    For the Council to believe Hughes like his men did on July 5th, WELL I don’t think I’d take Hughes NO WORRY with ANY value.

  69. #69 by FPD troll... on December 19, 2012

    You would be doing all the “residence” of Fullerton a huge service?

    It’s actually “residents”.

  70. #70 by Fullerton needs The Ten Comandments on December 19, 2012

    Their estimations, decisions, and conduct usually swings way off in the wrong directions.

    Basically, stupid, stupider, and stupidest.

    I always thought the age old struggle between good and evil, was just a struggle against a dark form of stupid!

  71. #71 by Fred Alcazar on December 19, 2012

    It’s “residents.” Residence! Really!

    GED LOL!

  72. #72 by fist of flory on December 19, 2012

    TO Flory, Chaffee and Fitzgerald
    is he the only qualified candidate?

    wow, hughes is an endangered specie…as long as you 3 stooges will pay for any lawsuit this clown will incur im fine with your decision…..

    hughes pls have mercy on us……ka-ching ka-ching kaching $$$$$$$$

  73. #73 by Fred Alcazar on December 19, 2012

    Don’t expect reason from these people. The reign will be arbitrary and it not favor the taxpayers of Fullerton.

    The will be NO illegal water tax refund, and zero accountability for the swindle.

    There will be no accountability for the FPD Culture of Corruption – there will be quick and very expensive settlements.

    The End.

  74. #74 by Police Log: December 12th — December 17th, 2012 on December 19, 2012

    12/12 Transient Problem – The fire department is responding to fires that someone thinks may have been started by transients near the railroad tracks behind the 1100 block of E. Truslow Avenue at 11:20 a.m.

    12/12 Transient Problem – An employee says three or four transients asking customers for money outside the business on 101 W. Orangethorpe Avenue are annoying customers and wants them moved along at 3:38 p.m.

    12/12 Transient Problem – A man is “living” behind CVS, and the caller wants him moved along.

    12/12 Transient Problem – A caller says transients are camping on the trail near the lower level of the court parking log on N. Harbor Blvd. and W. Union Avenue at 9:22 a.m.

    12/14 Transient Problem – A man is sleeping in the trash enclosure behind the Pacific Community Credit Union on 363 E. Imperial Highway at 10:58 a.m.

    12/14 Transient Problem – A caller says a group of transients are setting up camp in the parking structure on 216 N. Harbor Blvd. Police dispersed the group, and another task force in the city came to “handle shopping carts left behind.”

    12/14 Transient Problem – A white man with a tan coat and a backpack is “drinking” in front of the business on 2227 N. Harbor Blvd. at 10:32 a.m. A caller would like him moved along.

    12/16 Transient Problem – A security guard says transients left items behind in the parking structure on 130 E. Chapman Avenue, and wants an officer to contact the people in the plaza, see it the items belong to them, and if so, tell them to remove them from the structure at 10:10 p.m.

    12/16 Transient Problem – A caller is concerned that a white man with a sign asking people for money in the middle on the street on Harbor Boulevard and Orangethorpe Avenue might get hit by a car at 9:40 a.m.

    http://fullertonstories.com/police-log-december-12th-december-17th-2012/

  75. #75 by Barry Levinson on December 19, 2012

    Shimon money is only part of the problem. Special interests helped get Flory and Fitzgerald elected. There is no doubt about that. My not accepting special interest money put my campaign at a disadvantage.

    However, we have so many citizens just wanting to forget that a brutal murder of an innocent man took place last year while the angels above are crying out for justice. The “let us just move forward” crowd seems to be a significant part of the electorate unfortunately.

    I am afraid that this city and it citizens will have to be directly hurt by the actions of our council before any real chance at reform can take hold.

    But we all must try to stay positive that reform will eventually come to Fullerton. In the meantime, we all must be vigilant to the actions both publically and privately taken by our city leaders.

    Those leaders who do not live up to our ethical code of openness and honesty must be held accountable at each and every city council meeting!

    We must continue to shine a mirror in their faces exposing them for what they really are rather than how they want people to view them.

  76. #76 by VigilantCitizen on December 19, 2012

    it’s pointless, the Unions, crony capitalists and city employees own the Observer and have more money collectively.

    All the people have is Bushala and that has run it’s course.

    Let Fullerton Burn itself down. Time to move.

  77. #77 by Shimon Mendel on December 19, 2012

    Mr. Levinson – Well then, another question: How would you assess the chances of DOJ stepping up and doing a comprehensive investigation of the allegations being put forward by Lira and others?

  78. #78 by LeRoy Murray on December 19, 2012

    A Murder is a debacle in your eyes?

  79. #79 by Shimon Mendel on December 19, 2012

    Yes Vigilant, that’s exactly why I keep saying the hope for Fullerton is a down and dirty Dept of Justice investigation. It will take a long time, but could have pretty dramatic results. The pockets of the powers that be are just too damn deep. Bushala is seeing that his very substantial funding is not really making any foundation for real change. He can only do so much.

  80. #80 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 19, 2012

    A murder is a crime that creates the debacle we now see going on in Fullerton and everything since July 5.

  81. #81 by Fullerton needs The Ten Comandments on December 19, 2012

    fist of flory :
    TO Flory, Chaffee and Fitzgerald
    is he the only qualified candidate?
    wow, hughes is an endangered specie…as long as you 3 stooges will pay for any lawsuit this clown will incur im fine with your decision…..
    hughes pls have mercy on us……ka-ching ka-ching kaching $$$$$$$$

    HELL NO HELL NO HELL NO,
    the camera is the most powerful weapon known to man, without it there would be nothing,
    OCTAs 7 Bus cams, confiscated and apparently destroyed on scene cameras, Early on TV news cell phone cam that slipped thru, Ron Thomas’ grieving father in hospital cell phone camera, the hundreds of TV News crews cameras, (Ive seen Tony B on CNN), and the 50 or so eye witness’, the human eye is quite a camera. Also the numerous Youtube video response cameras

    My family will go broke and lose their many millions before I personally let this BULLSHIT continue.

  82. #82 by Fullerton needs The Ten Comandments on December 19, 2012

    Murder as torture thrill kill, under color of authority.

  83. #83 by Anonymous on December 19, 2012

    The murder of Kelly Thomas will always be described as a “thing”, a “debacle”, a “fiasco”, a “circus” an “incident”, a “tragedy”, etc by those who ideals are aligned with a majority of Germany between 1939-1945 but they will never call it a beating or murder.

    They know what they’re standing for is morally reprehensible and wrong but they simply do not care. Immorality = power.

  84. #84 by Fullerton needs The Ten Comandments on December 19, 2012

    Dont forget our time is priceless, and expensive :)

  85. #85 by Fullerton needs The Ten Comandments on December 19, 2012

    Actually its the victims and families large settlement that are gonna really hurt them, in court and on transcripts.

  86. #86 by Stanley Fiala on December 19, 2012

    It appears that based on the old Bohemian cliché, the Fullerton election was a “step from the mud into a paddle”.

    I thing soon TB will be good politician beginner — I tutor politics for dummies for free.

  87. #87 by Fullerton needs The Ten Comandments on December 19, 2012

    Knowledge, truth, and the brotherhood of Man, are more powerful. Like ive always seen in Fullerton :)

  88. #88 by Fullerton needs The Ten Comandments on December 19, 2012

    In the whole scheme of things, its just gonna be a good ole pathetic dark lesson that usually only a city might grow from, but this is the age of Google.

  89. #89 by Shimon Mendel on December 19, 2012

    I think you mean ‘ step from mud into puddle’.
    I don’t think Mr. Bushala wants to be a politican. Just a force moving things in the right direction.

  90. #90 by fullerton native. on December 19, 2012

    If Hughes is a man of character that a position of chief would require he would have accepted the challenge of equal opportunity that Whittiker and Sebourn recomended. He certainly had a headstart on any possible candidates. He instead smugly sat queitly continuously writing his notes to himself occasionaly looking a little bit disturbed at any allegations about him and let his likeminded backers railroad him in to a position.How is he any different than our former Cheif Sellers who smuggly asserts his 5th ammenment priveledge .

  91. #91 by fullerton native. on December 19, 2012

    He chose the paycheck over self respect.Cowardice over courage.

  92. #92 by McGoo on December 19, 2012

    Flory and Fitzgerald both told me that they were for civilian police oversight, but then for undisclosed reasons they voted against it last night! I will have to ask them why at the next city counsel meeting!

  93. #93 by Barry Levinson on December 19, 2012

    McGoo two words: STATUS QUO!

  94. #94 by Stanley Fiala on December 19, 2012

    “Just a force moving things in the right direction”………. Hmmmmmm

    It looks to me like the left direction.

  95. #95 by All you FFFF'rs on December 19, 2012

    are a bunch of whinny babies. You can’t stand the fact that the majority of Fullerton has turned their back on you. You are grasping at straws and Admin can’t stand that his halo has dimmed.

  96. #96 by Just a Jew on December 19, 2012

    TB has dropped 500k in the past 18 months trying to buy Fullerton. While his ex wife has to turn tricks to feed his offspring.

    Hohoho

  97. #97 by van get it da artiste on December 19, 2012

    really? I thought it was up to Fullerton PD to prove their innocence? Not prove everyone is a liar?

  98. #98 by Benjamin Lira on December 19, 2012

    Don’t worry I’m not going anywhere. All these cronies did the city a favor by getting themselves promoted and making themselves at will employees. Im in the process of meeting with 3 city council members in the future. With the holidays and New Years it’s tough to plan anything. For now Fullertonian.com is coming up with a series of articles to hold you over. After Christmas I will be releasing a you tube video. I look forward to January where I will be both vocal and visible at city council meetings…. It’s hard to keep track of all the questions/blogs but to answer a few; do I have an attorney? Yes, 3. Is Tony paying me? No, that’s ridiculous. … My email is benjaminlira1113@yahoo.com
    I promise I will return all emails..
    Happy Hollidays!

  99. #99 by Chicken on December 19, 2012

    Cunt face flory and little miss perfect life fitzgerald, will whip their bitch doug chafee into voting the wrong way. It will be just like the three bald tires, but with women who feel they have stuff to prove.

  100. #100 by van get it da artiste on December 19, 2012

    actions driven by ethics are not always kind to persons who don’t play by these same rules whether intentional or inadvertently, thus cruel actions from a leader signals a person who will not sell out to greed

  101. #101 by ricky on December 19, 2012

    IT WILL GET MORE DANGEROUS IN FULLERTON WITH THE CORRUPT COPS ALL POWERFUL CONTROL OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
    THIS IS SAD.
    KELLY’S EXECUTIONERS WILL BE SET FREE AND BE BACK IN BUSINESS ON THE STREETS.

  102. #102 by van get it da artiste on December 19, 2012

    wrong, Flory et al will use tax dollars, as done in the past, to buy hush from more victims of Fullerton PD

  103. #103 by Simmons on December 19, 2012

    I hope you are correct.

    I just do not know about Hughes and it seems many do want Hughes.

    Since he is close to the Kelly Thomas issue, whether Hughes is guilty of bad deeds or not, just is not right to promote him to Chief if the goal is to promote “healing” since the Kelly Thomas murder.

    If those in office truly wish to promote “healing” between the FPD and the public, get someone new.

    Hughes may be a good man, seems to be evidence on both sides of hte issue, I just do not know and do not wish to find out the hard way.

  104. #104 by Chicken on December 19, 2012

    Sad is right

  105. #105 by Simmons on December 19, 2012

    Further, if Hughes would withdraw his name from consideration for FPD police chief, putting Fullerton and the FPD before his own best interest, such would go a long way in proving to me he is an honorable man.

  106. #106 by Stanley Fiala on December 19, 2012

    “And no, I am not trawling for work in saying so”……… Hmmmmmm

    Golem, have you already apply for the roadkill engineer position with the county”…… as I have advised you earlier?

    Good pay, benefits and retirement.

  107. #107 by cg on December 19, 2012

    So when does DTF fall on it’s face? With only FPD and 909 peeps as customers, how long can the bars last? The food sucks at all eateries, OH, that’s right, their not in business for the food.

  108. #108 by Fullerton needs The Ten Comandments on December 19, 2012

    X Train to Vegas, starts from Fullerton, 2013, 99$ one way luxury train, drinks, meal, free parking. DTFs future.

  109. #109 by Gin Flurry on December 19, 2012

    Who wants food? It’s the liquid lunch that counts!

  110. #110 by Gin Flurry on December 19, 2012

    His interest is protecting the Kulture of Korruption and his own ass. Period.

    Hic.

  111. #111 by Gin Flurry on December 19, 2012

    “My guess is that they’ve factored in their best assessment of that probability.”

    And my guess is that the three are too vested in rewriting the history of the Recall and re-establishing the Ancient Regime to factor anything, even in a low-animal cunning sort of way.

    Hic.

  112. #112 by Fullerton Rudy on December 19, 2012

    Well said. yes when settlements start getting paid out things will get very interesting, indeed. Now watch Trevor Clarke get a boat load of dough to keep Chief Hughsie from getting his sorry ass deposed.

  113. #113 by Beverly McSeenyle on December 19, 2012

    When I talked to him, he nodded in affirmation to most of what I said and he wore jeans to pick up trash at a park and when I got lost and confused and started driving on a sidewalk, he let me go without any citations.

    DOUG HUGHES IS A GOOD MAN WHO IS BELOVED BY EVERYONE!

  114. #114 by Chicken on December 19, 2012

    And its also about when danny boy needs to pull a sellers and disabilaty / retire due to the kt trials or whatever debacle hits next. And guess what danny boy get chiefs pay. About a billion dollers a year for life. Gotta make that pay grade, instead of restoring faith in the pd, they promote one of their own, who has been involved in the culture of corruption for the past twenty years. Stupid move for the healing of fullerton. FUCK…

  115. #115 by Vern on December 19, 2012

  116. #116 by Fullerton Rudy on December 19, 2012

    Stop it, yer killin’ me!

  117. #117 by cg on December 19, 2012

    I hope somebody who wanted to apply for cheif, sues the HELL out of the City of Fullerton. Why not everybody else is. BTW, Chaffee is a DICK. Flory and whats-her-name, suck Danny DICK. Sorry just watching them last night made me vomit.

  118. #118 by Steve Brow on December 19, 2012

    You could be right. Then again, “deep throat” only began to operate after Nixon passed him up to replace J Edgar Hoover as head of the FBI. Deep throat did suceed in making Nixon the only US prsident in history to resign, did he not?

  119. #119 by Steve Brow on December 19, 2012

    Be honest ACU, you would not have kept your mouth shut.

  120. #120 by Stanley Fiala on December 19, 2012

    “last night made me vomit”……….. Hmmmm

    I hope that by doing so you have hit near by standing Tatar Zirconian.

  121. #121 by Stanley Fiala on December 19, 2012

    “Ryan Cantor’s latest”………… Hmmmmm

    Lucky for you Gröfaz that I am banned by you from the OJB, otherwise I would dissect this latest Zirconian’s crapola to humus.

    I wonder Gröfaz, when do you gone SPAM the next one.

  122. #122 by I SPY on December 19, 2012

    The good thing is Hughes will always know that the VOTE was not unanimous…

  123. #123 by I SPY on December 19, 2012

    He is not too bright, just an ego

  124. #124 by I SPY on December 19, 2012

    In Your Dreams…. DOJ????

  125. #125 by Fullerton Rudy on December 20, 2012

    He doesn’t care. He has a year left to spike his pension and retire. He has his grip on the Kulture until at least the end of 2014.

  126. #126 by Anonymous on December 20, 2012

    Don’t forget Jan’s shifty eyes whenever she addresses the public from the dais.

  127. #127 by Anonymous on December 20, 2012

    Take pictures! Share!

  128. #128 by Anonymous on December 20, 2012

    Jan Flory’s stump speech for Dan Hughes starts at around 3hours and 36 minutes into the video.

    Jan’s eyes shift back and forth as she’s speaking, just like ex-Mayor SSSSSSSSSSilva’s!

    http://fullerton.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=413

  129. #129 by Anonymous on December 20, 2012

    Tuesday night at the Fullerton City Council meetings, I saw a snake having sex with a vulture, and I thought, It’s just business as usual here in Fullerton!

  130. #130 by Shimon Mendel on December 20, 2012

    Just another jew here… this is just such a slimey, lowlife comment, shame on you, you disgusting pig fart!

  131. #131 by Friendly Neighbor on December 20, 2012

    McGoo, four words-
    They lied to you.

  132. #132 by Fullerton Lover on December 20, 2012

    I wonder if Dan Hughes or Kevin Hamilton ever related THIS part of the story to Robyn Nordell?

    http://thefullertonian.com/Article/Details/764

  133. #133 by R.D. on December 20, 2012

    There’s an asteroid heading towards Fullerton! Bad cops/council persons beware.

  134. #134 by Stanley Fiala on December 20, 2012

    Vern :

    To answer your left liberal crapola at: http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2012/12/sa-mayor-pulido-and-hb-mayor-boardman-sign-gun-control-letter-to-washington-shouldnt-anaheims-mayor-tait/

    “Notice the word “regulated” there”…………. Hmmmmmmmm

    Obviously you do not know how to reed your own language especially the one written in 18 century where the entire constitution fit on one sheet of paper.

    The hand-written copy of the Bill of Rights which hangs in the National Archives had slightly different capitalization and punctuation inserted by William Lambert, the scribe who prepared it. This copy reads:

    A well regulated Militia [comma] being necessary to the security of a free State [comma] the right of the people to keep and bear Arms [comma] shall not be infringed.

    Grammar: A punctuation mark (,) [comma] used to indicate a separation of ideas or of elements within the structure of a sentence.

    Therefore, there are 4 distinct ideas and elements:
    1) A well regulated Militia
    2) being necessary to the security of a free State
    3) the right of the people to keep and bear Arms
    4) shall not be infringed.

    1) The founders didn’t want a renegade militias so they stated that the only “well regulated Militia” is legit. [noting to do with the guns]
    2) “the security of a free State” can be destroyed only by the government so the founders stated that a “well regulated Militia” is necessary to overthrow such tyrannical government. [noting to do with the guns]
    3) After the experience with Brits who were going house to house and confiscating “Arms” (notice capitalized “A”) founders want to make sure that it couldn’t be repeated by the Obama’s regime and socialists so they specifically stated that it is “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms” and [not] only by well regulated Militia.
    4) So founders clearly caveatted the government that the elements 1); 2); and 3) shall not be infringed by the government:

    The Constitution is Law written by the People against the Government not by Government against the People.

    You should study the history about how the rights of people in constitution evolved and not to repeated the left liberal talking points like a moron mongoloid.

    I am sure that you would support mew constitution, like in Egypt, if one day Obama would say that the GOD told him to destroy the current one.

  135. #135 by Fullerton needs The Ten Comandments on December 20, 2012

    Barry Levinson :
    McGoo two words: STATUS QUO!

    Friendly Neighbor :
    McGoo, four words-
    They lied to you.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++
    “Obvious act of desperation”

  136. #136 by Shimon Mendel on December 20, 2012

    So, what is the 2nd Amendment saying here, hmmmmmmmmmmmm……..

    It says we should have a ‘well regulated militia’. It doesn’t spell out how it’s regulated, or who regulates it. It does say we need this militia for the ‘security of the nation’. And the big phrase that libertarians and gun rights advocates waive it the face of opponents; “the right of the people to keep and bear arms’.

    But you’ve got to go back to the WHY for having this right. Why do we have this right? Is it to protect our families and property? Well the 2nd Amendment doesn’t address this issue. Hmmmmmmmmm……..
    Is it to able to go hunting with semi-automatic rifles; again the founding fathers are mute. Hmmmmmmmmmm…….

    So what are we left with? Why the reason we have the right to keep and bear arms is to be part of a ‘well regulated militia’. Well how about that, Stanley! How this militia formed, who runs it, who commands it, who regulates it unknown. Why those pesky founding fathers left those questions unanswered.

    Hmmmmmmmm………………..

  137. #137 by Friendly Neighbor on December 20, 2012

    Thanks for that Barry. Now can you please get to work.

  138. #138 by Shimon Mendel on December 20, 2012

    “the security of a free State” can be destroyed only by the government so the founders stated that a “well regulated Militia” is necessary to overthrow such tyrannical government.

    Stanley, where is this in the 2nd Amendment?

    I am but an idiot mongoloid Tartar Jew, please to enlighten me, wise sage.

  139. #139 by truthseeker on December 20, 2012

    I respectfully requested the council to delay the vote specifically referencing the haste of the vote as well as the existence of Mr. Lira’s allegations and it fell on deaf ears. The newly elected council majority has blatantly chosen to TRY to bolt the lid on the pot. The problem is there are no studs on the pot and the temperature is rising fast as Mr Lira is stirring things up and will be bringing things to a boil very soon.

  140. #140 by Sean Paden on December 20, 2012

    McGoo: If you ask Flory and Fitzgerald they will in all likelihood say they are still for a civilian oversight commission. And, truth be told, they probably will eventually vote for the creation of a commission which will be officially designated as such. It might even become law. Tuesday’s vote didn’t change that.

    But while Fullerton may well have a “Civilian Oversight Commission” it will not have a commission that provides civilian oversight, unless there is some other method of pressuring the FPD to agree to it voluntarily, or we can convince voters to make Fullerton a charter city.

    Instead we will probably see, at best, a commission that will be forced to take police reports at their word, since it wouldn’t have subpoena power, and therefore would lack the ability to cross-examine an officer accused of misconduct. And even if such a board ultimately issued sustained findings, the Chief would be free to overrule the Board, since the proposal for granting the commission standing to appeal such a decision to the City Council will also likely be stricken from the resolution and/or challenged in court. In other words, we’ll have the appearance of reform, rather than the reality of it, which is in many ways worse.

  141. #141 by Stanley Fiala on December 20, 2012

    “But you’ve got to go back to the WHY for having this right.”……… Hmmmmm

    As I said earlier, you do not know how to read your own language.

    The comma separator separates ideas and elements, therefore, you can’t mix such ideas in one!

    Once you learn your own language it will become clear WHY.

    Hint: For “the security of a free State”
    Founders clearly knew from their history that time to time socialist misfits like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Fidel, Hitler and Obama get into a power and when they do you (the People) are on your own to maintain “the security of a free State”.

    And to do so is your unalienable right to maintain life, liberty and happiness which is becoming illusive daily under the Obama regime.

    Perhaps you shout start using your brain instead goosestepping in the rhythm of the left-liberal-Obama-drum.

  142. #142 by truthseeker on December 20, 2012

    It is to protect the people from the government.

  143. #143 by Stanley Fiala on December 20, 2012

    “I am but an idiot mongoloid Tartar Jew”……… Hmmmmm

    I am glad that you have said it because if I would do the same you would call me Semite.

    Since you are admitted Jew let me answer by question:
    Do you think that, allegedly, 6,000,000 Jews would be massacred in the Third Reich if the constitution of the Third Reich contained our 2nd amendment?

    But Fiala Obama is not Hitler!…… prove it!

    The 2nd amendment is about “the security of a free State” and no one, terrorists, al qaeda and mentally ill person can reverse “the security of a free State” providing that people will not sacrifice freedom for security in which they deserve neither.

    TSA, Patriot Act, and now 2nd amendment

    And do not think that leftists like Obama did mot commit atrocity, Stalin 20,000,000 Mao 60,000,000…… how many Obama will kill after he gets your guns?

    Think Shimon Mendel!…… stop goosestepping into next concentration camp in the rhythm of the left-liberal-Obama drum.

  144. #144 by Shimon Mendel on December 20, 2012

    Stanley – Where do you get this from, cetainly not the second amendment to the U.S. Constitution. As you pointed out the amendment is composed of 4 phrases separated by commas. You say ‘you can’t mix such ideas in one’, unfortunately, you are incorrect. The four phrases fit together to form a complete thought. I do know how to read English, and I feel very sure that you are undoubtedly, absolutely, full of both yourself and horse crap. There are many cogent, logical conservative arguments to support gun rights because the Constitution is a living document. It doesn’t answer all the questions, that’s why American argue about just what the Constitution is telling us. Your ‘analysis’ of the 2nd amendment is lacking alot. Sorry, dude.

  145. #145 by Shimon Mendel on December 20, 2012

    That’s antisemite. And, yes you are. You apparently don’t understand sarcasism.

  146. #146 by Shimon Mendel on December 20, 2012

    Obama has been in office 4 yrs and not proposed any gun control.

  147. #147 by truthseeker on December 20, 2012

    Gun control is not an Obama or Bush or Clinton or republican or democratic issue. It marches on regardless as it is a UN program that through tragic events and false flags will attempt to be accomplished with the assistance of the media and will ultimately meet the resistance of the people. The US will be a tough nut to crack.

  148. #148 by Stanley Fiala on December 20, 2012

    “The four phrases fit together to form a complete thought”………… Hmmmmmm

    Perhaps, when interpreted by the modern English and contemporary Lawyerism.

    Have you eve read English Bible? It is so nonsensical that anyone can read in it what ever they want if interpreted by today meaning of the language.

    The four phrases also fits together to form a complete thought as to 1, 2, 3 element as a conclusion.

    I am sure that you are asking why founders did not wrote the 2nd amendment so it would be clear.

    It was clear to them in 18 century!…… before the existence of the left-liberal-talking-points as a form of interpretation.

    i.e. There is virtually no difference between semiautomatic and automatic rifle because it contain a switch to function automaticaly or semi-automatically.

    However, to scare moron mongoloids, about 95% of USA public, the left will intentionally call automatic weapon an “ASSAULT WEAPON” to scare people and the moron mongoloids like you believe that it is so and, therefore, it must be banned.

  149. #149 by truthseeker on December 20, 2012

    ANY firearm by its very nature can be deemed an “assault” weapon. Watch for a play on semantics to be put to work in a big way soon.

  150. #150 by LeRoy Murray on December 20, 2012

    why don’t you go back in time to Philadelphia and as you look the founding fathers in the face tell them they’re pesky. I admit as a Benefactor level Life Member of the NRA I tend to take the 2nd Amendment seriously, when we’ve all been disarmed and are living in FEMA concentration camps guarded by the likes of FPD maybe you’ll wish you had too.
    re your comment that the FF are mute pertaining to semi automatics, a. They’re mute because they’re dead, and b. semi autos were non-existent in the 1700′s, they were an evolution of the single shots that did exist in the time of the Founders.

  151. #151 by Stanley Fiala on December 20, 2012

    “That’s antisemite. And, yes you are. You apparently don’t understand sarcasism.”………… Hmmmmmm

    And you do not understand US constitution 1st nor 2nd which is guarantee me to be anti jewish-moron-mongolism.

    You Jews are not privileged people as long as gentile are not privileged too.

  152. #152 by LeRoy Murray on December 20, 2012

    There is a major difference between semi auto and full auto. The main difference is 1 round with each pull of the trigger v empty the magazine (many rounds) with each pull of the trigger. No semi auto that I’m aware of has a switch that converts it to full auto. There have been a couple that with machining could be taken apart and converted but not by the average idiot, it generally took a machist or gunsmith, and those are off the market by now I’m sure thanks to gun laws and the government. It’s illegal to own a full auto of any kind including the M16 that keeps popping up in the news, unless you’ve paid and gotten the required license, etc. it’s not easy. Personally I prefer a single shot, just as effective if you can shoot, and requires actual thought.

  153. #153 by Stanley Fiala on December 20, 2012

    “Gun control is not an Obama or Bush or Clinton or republican or democratic issue”.

    Correct!

    However, Russia and China are pressing for gun control mainly against the USA constitution where thy wouldn’t dare under the Reagan.

    See also http://www.examiner.com/article/supreme-court-to-rule-on-whether-treaties-break-constitutional-bonds

  154. #154 by LeRoy Murray on December 20, 2012

    Not just firearms, but knives, swords, lances, bows and arrows, axes, baseball bats, motor vehicles, jumbo jets and more could all be considered “assault wapons.” When guns are unavailable other things fall to hand. Blame the murdering idiots not the tool, whatever it is.

  155. #155 by LeRoy Murray on December 20, 2012

    YET!!!!

  156. #156 by R.D. on December 20, 2012

    Assault weapons are used all the time to hunt 30 deer at a time. Yeah right. Assault weapons are made to kill humans! Ban them completely. Make it a felony to own one.

  157. #157 by truthseeker on December 20, 2012

    Only if the military and police give theirs up as well. 200,000,000+ people over the last 100 years were murdered by their own government. Both sides of the reaction equation must remain in equilibrium.
    http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

  158. #158 by Stanley Fiala on December 20, 2012

    Another idiot who can’t support his crapola bay putting his name behind it.

  159. #159 by LeRoy Murray on December 20, 2012

    Assault weapon is really a made up term. Are you talking about full auto guns that are owned by governments or semi autos that are look cosmeticly like the military weapons but are in reality nothing more than semi auto with plastic stock and forearm? In reality the AR15 and others that are available to the general public are no different than any other semi auto hunting rifle outside of their looks. Your comment shows you know little about guns or deer. I have no problem banning 30 round magazines, but then as I said earlier I personally prefer single shots. If you really want to ban something that causes these nuts to murder ban all of the violent video games that teach those who play them that killing everybody in sight is ok. I firmly believe these are a big reason for the Kelly Thomas murder among others.

  160. #160 by cg on December 20, 2012

    Does anybody know about, a person that was hit by a car, at Brookhurst and Velencia this morning at approx 6am? When I drove by this morning the Fire department was working on someone in the street, North side of Brookhurst left lane. I wondered if it was one of the homeless staying at the shelter. Very sad.

  161. #161 by Stanley Fiala on December 20, 2012

    Maybe Golem lost his home due to his inability to pay the rent and ended it all — no post here from him after 6 am.

  162. #162 by cg on December 20, 2012

    You just couldn’t hold your fingers back, could you?
    I always felt Stanley was a strong name, it was my Grandfathers name, but you have brought shame to that name. Do you have to be such a smart ass?
    I guess now you are going to call me, a bunch of your disgusting names? Go ahead, we all know that’s what you do best.

  163. #163 by Benjamin Lira on December 20, 2012

    Lol, nice come back Barry Coffman. I see your on vacation and making good use of your time. I was going to call your home, 760-630-3944, until I saw on In time you were on vacation. Is this a real vacation or fake call out that gives you time to spend time with your girlfriend? At least When Goodwrench did this he married his Sancha and moved to Fullerton!!
    Happy Holidays!!

  164. #164 by Stanley Fiala on December 20, 2012

    “Do you have to be such a smart ass?”……….. Hmmmmm

    Absolutely!

    FYI, in addition to my high IQ, and may excellent writing skills, I am very modes and humble individual.

  165. #165 by Stanley Fiala on December 20, 2012

    See if you can find your accident here. http://www.accidentin.com/california/orange_accidents.htm

  166. #166 by cg on December 20, 2012

    You forgot to call me names. I am waiting…tick cock…..Let’s see, what that high IQ comes up with.
    “and may excellent writing skills” Hmmmmmm

  167. #167 by Benjamin Lira on December 20, 2012

    For the record the “I forgot to mention” post wasn’t written by me. I have heard from a realiable source it was Officer Cary Tong. The message tho is fairly accurate with the exception of my wife having her own business and now I need her not vice versa.
    Happy Holidays!!!

  168. #168 by cg on December 20, 2012

    Hopefully the wife is getting smarter!!!! Just so you know, I grew up in one of those messy families, and even though they have both passed. I hated them both, for what they put us through. Yes your children will hate you, if you don’t break the chain. Just so you know once a wife beater, always a wife beater. It would be best if you just left…To be honest with you.

  169. #169 by Anonymous on December 20, 2012

    cg arent you that fellow who compared the homeless in Fullerton to the Sandy Hook child killer?

  170. #170 by cg on December 20, 2012

    Yep, and I am sorry I wrote that. I guess I let my tears get the best of me. When you are a Mother, reguardless how old your children are, you just want to protect them all……I am truly sorry for what I wrote. I hope you can accept this.

  171. #171 by Benjamin Lira on December 21, 2012

    Can’t u use your own screen name? I think the information you have about me is false, like most of your arrest. I’ve only been married once. I didn’t marry a girl with 3 kids bcuz that’s all you can get. Seriously, get a life and your only saving grace is Hughes saved your ass by covering up your assault under color of authority bcuz he was involved…. Plus, it’s tax season are you going to file exempt for the 3rd year in a row and avoid paying any taxes?? I reported that to the FBI also
    Feliz navidad!!! And good night!

  172. #172 by Anonymous on December 21, 2012

    Cary Tong? The guy (along with Hughes) who helped beat up Trevor Clarke and then swiped his wallet?

  173. #173 by Anonymous on December 21, 2012

    Not too bright, are you?

  174. #174 by Anonymous on December 21, 2012

    Anyone from the FPD reading this, and we all know you are, you had best punch this guy in the mouth.

    He’s not making Ben Lira look bad, he’s making you look bad.

  175. #175 by Fullerton Lover on December 21, 2012

    I think it’s actually pretty admirable that you admitted your mistake cg.

  176. #176 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 21, 2012

    HELL no not when it come to a MURDER or anything else that will get you jail or prison time.

  177. #177 by cg on December 21, 2012

    I will try and keep my right brain, in check from now on.

  178. #178 by The Truth on December 21, 2012

    They are both making themselves look bad.

  179. #179 by Police: DUI suspect arrested after hitting 2 on December 21, 2012

    About 2:15 a.m. the man struck the pedestrians at East Amerige Avenue and Harbor Boulevard, Fullerton police said.

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/driver-381348-domingo-police.html

  180. #180 by Benjamin Lira on December 21, 2012

    ^^^ True, I’m sorry. I’m just so fed up with these guys(most not all).

  181. #181 by cg on December 21, 2012

    I guess there were no check points out. DTF should have DUI check points out, Thursday thru Saturday nights. We should charge all the bars extra taxes to help pay for it. Maybe we can save a few people that way. Where is MADD?

  182. #182 by Friendly Neighbor on December 21, 2012

    How about we make the bar that overserved responsible?

  183. #183 by Shimon Mendel on December 21, 2012

    You are ignorant, know-nothing, boring person with even less to do than me. Quick aside: if you hate Jews so much, why do you use the the word Golem so freely. Golem is a term in Jewish mythology, why do you use it???? Hmmmmm…..

  184. #184 by cg on December 21, 2012

    Funny I thought at one time there was a law, that could make bars responsible for overserving a customer. Apparently not.

  185. #185 by truthseeker on December 21, 2012

    In my opinion checkpoints don’t work unless you funnel all the parking lots through one. We just need saturation patrols surrounding all the exits to the all the parking lots, a fleet of mothballed school buses with shackles bolted to the floor and an entourage of bankruptcy attorneys waiting in the wings for the despondent liquor peddlers that will eventually need their services after no longer being able to make merchandise of our confused young people every night of the week. Where is MADD? I wish I knew. They appear to be NOWHERE to be found where they could do the most good. They should be protesting in front of the liquor peddlers public health destruction outlets with 2 way radios to FPD dispatch and high def cameras live streaming on channel 3 so the residents can see what their gracious leaders in their infinite wisdom have bestowed upon the residents. DTF is awash in booze, brawls, vomit and excrement and is the gift that just keeps on giving. It so generously continues to run at a net loss to the hardworking taxpayers who are sound asleep in their beds while bedlam ensues nightly so they can go to work and pay for public services so desperately needed to maintain the mardi gras’ continuity. The list we subsidize is endless such as the salaries of the FPD bouncers,the sidewalk giveaways, the valet lots on public property and the 10 billion gauss riff raff magnet going full blast complete with spotlights to bring ‘em in on the planes, trains, and automobiles. Don’t forget the multi-million dollar parking structure to house all of the 5000 pound 260 horsepower deadly weapons turned loose on the streets after last call. MADD is missing one hell of a party and a good time. And to think they trade all this for deep fried cheese appetizers up on the Hill with the lawmakers. I am just beside myself.

  186. #186 by cg on December 21, 2012

    WOW….Truth, those are some feelings!!!! You wrote what I was thinking. Thank you…..

  187. #187 by truthseeker on December 21, 2012

    You are welcome.

  188. #188 by COOKBOOKA BOOKA!!! on December 21, 2012

    TRUE THAT!!!

    Free drinks and food for the city workers are very very very expensive, such is government cronyism, imagine the human cost. :(

  189. #189 by cg on December 21, 2012

    I wonder if there is information that totals DUI’s, hit and run’s, people hurt, in the passed years in our DTF. There should be records somewhere. Maybe we need to look at our stats? They might even, be able to compare DTF to other cities that have equal bar ratio.

  190. #190 by Anonymous on December 21, 2012

    MADD like DARE is a police PR organization.

    The lady over MADD in the Fullerton area looks like a middle aged badge bunny.

  191. #191 by cg on December 21, 2012

    “middle aged badge bunny” lol…Let’s see if I have a metal picture of that….female 40-50, 5’6″, 160lbs, hair dyed brown, tide back in a neck bun.

    Do I win!!!!!

  192. #192 by Fullerton Lover on December 21, 2012

    I think that we should do a full-court press on the city council and ask them to direct the FPD to set a precedent with this particular case by working with the state agency that regulates all drinking establishments, the ABC, and determine through interviews, and receipts, and CCTV cameras in the bars, just which establishment this patron was last served at before turning them loose on unsuspecting and sleeping residents.

    How else will we NOT repeat this vicious and destructive cycle that DTF drinking establishments seems to be engaged in while the rest of us who are fast asleep at home?

    Did we already forget about the accident last year at Woods and Chapman, where the drunk driver had just left DTF and crashed into someone’s home, subsequently killinbg the drunk drivers fiance and resulted in a manslaghter conviction for the drunk driver?

    Who’s next?

  193. #193 by van get it da artiste on December 21, 2012

    other options instead of this hollow commission?

  194. #194 by van get it da artiste on December 21, 2012

    Lira’s the man! If he is correct, this man has courage.

  195. #195 by van get it da artiste on December 21, 2012

    Lira has courage

  196. #196 by Peaches on December 21, 2012

    And the Adenhart and friends’ death; no checkpoints then

  197. #197 by Thankful on December 21, 2012

    List of good cops?

  198. #198 by cg on December 21, 2012

    Somethin, bad has happened on W. Malvern!!!!! Maybe another car has gone into the ditch. Somebody already hit the fence at Basque and Malvern…..Be careful out there people….

  199. #199 by Stanley Fiala on December 21, 2012

    “if you hate Jews”………… Hmmmmm

    I do not hate Jews!
    Show me 1 hateful anti Jewish statement which I have made!…… Show me hate.

  200. #200 by Fullerton Lover on December 21, 2012

    Don’t forget that the driver of the car that Nick Adenhart was riding in had also been drinking, and at the age of 20 in the state of California, persons under 21 are forbidden to drive with ANY alcohol in their blood.

    Did the FPD ever determine or prosecute whomever served this minor alcohol before the fatal crash?

  201. #201 by Headless Horseman on December 22, 2012

    Douche Bag

  202. #202 by MICKEY HALLER on December 22, 2012

    I dont think it was Fullerton’s case. It was Anaheim’s.

  203. #203 by Anonymous on December 22, 2012

    Wrong again psycho.

  204. #204 by Anonymous on December 22, 2012

    Mickey, a worse debater than a turd on the lawn.

  205. #205 by Fullerton Lover on December 22, 2012

    Nope. It was Fullerton’s.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/gallo-379599-three-adenhart.html

    Interesting aside is that at the bottom of this OC Register article is a link that shows that the bar that served the drunk driver was closed by the city of Covina shortly after serving Andrew Gallo.

    What did Fullerton do?

  206. #206 by KL on December 22, 2012

    Good point, Fullerton Lover.

  207. #207 by I Support MADD on December 22, 2012

    Adenhart, Stewart, and Wilhite were on their way to In Cahoots, having arrived via the 91, exiting on and driving up Lemon. I don’t know if any of the articles indicated where Stewart drank.

    The suspect and his passenger couldn’t explain why they were in Fullerton. There was no indication they were going to Fullerton to drink more. They had never been to Fullerton before.

  208. #208 by East of Drake on December 22, 2012

    Beverly McSeenyle :When I talked to him, he nodded in affirmation to most of what I said and he wore jeans to pick up trash at a park and when I got lost and confused and started driving on a sidewalk, he let me go without any citations.
    DOUG HUGHES IS A GOOD MAN WHO IS BELOVED BY EVERYONE!

    driving on the side walk, if you were 17 and mexican , lets see how lovely danny is…and you speak for only you, some retarded lady who drives on sidewalks..what a joke

  209. #209 by East of Drake on December 22, 2012

    Anonymous :Cary Tong? The guy (along with Hughes) who helped beat up Trevor Clarke and then swiped his wallet?

    one eyed tong? Yep another one eyed cop..who does screen tests.

  210. #210 by East of Drake on December 22, 2012

    cg :Yep, and I am sorry I wrote that. I guess I let my tears get the best of me. When you are a Mother, reguardless how old your children are, you just want to protect them all……I am truly sorry for what I wrote. I hope you can accept this.

    in the heat of the moment any and all have said things, I accept your words.fight on lady fight on!

  211. #211 by East of Drake on December 22, 2012

    I Support MADD :Adenhart, Stewart, and Wilhite were on their way to In Cahoots, having arrived via the 91, exiting on and driving up Lemon. I don’t know if any of the articles indicated where Stewart drank.
    The suspect and his passenger couldn’t explain why they were in Fullerton. There was no indication they were going to Fullerton to drink more. They had never been to Fullerton before.

    they all were drunk, face it they were all at fault.all of them were drunk, you dont drink and drive, bottom line.

  212. #212 by Fullerton Lover on December 22, 2012

    I Support MADD,

    Your route is incorrect.

    In Cahoots is actually a half block before Orangethorpe and Lemon if you are exiting off of the 91 freeway and Lemon.

    It was reported that the vehicle which was driven by the 20 year old Stewart, was approaching the Lemon and Orangethorpe intersection while driving southbound on Lemon Avenue.

    I think that it’s also worth noting that the building which is located on the northwest corner of the intersection at Lemon and Orangethorpe, and is part of the Fullerton Towne Center, is built to less than 10 feet away from the street, which IMHO, greatly obstructs the the southbound drivers view of the east and west bound vehicles going 50 MPH on Orangethorpe until it’s too late.

  213. #213 by I Support MADD on December 22, 2012

    I stand corrected.

  214. #214 by cg on December 22, 2012

    Does it matter who won? Have a Merry Christmas…

  215. #215 by Greg Diamond on December 22, 2012

    You’re facing the wrong way. To see brightness, look out of your cave.

  216. #216 by Greg Diamond on December 22, 2012

    As I’ve said, I think that Hughes deserves the deal. If he’s lying and deceiving the Council, then it will blow up in everyone’s faces (primarily his) — and so be it. I don’t expect it to happen, but if it does — well, this site will start functioning again. I think that that prospect ought to keep them honest.

  217. #217 by Greg Diamond on December 22, 2012

    What’s that Lassie? Timmy fell into a well?

  218. #218 by Greg Diamond on December 22, 2012

    Classy. Not being sarcastic, either.

  219. #219 by Greg Diamond on December 22, 2012

    ^^^^ was directed to cj for apologizing.

  220. #220 by Greg Diamond on December 22, 2012

    He calls me “Golem,” Shimon. Even after a year he hasn’t figured out that I don’t much mind it, as nicknames go.

  221. #221 by cg on December 22, 2012

    Thank you Greg, I will always admit to being human.

  222. #222 by Anonymous on December 22, 2012

    When will all that education wasted on you start functioning at all?

  223. #223 by Anonymous on December 22, 2012

    Golem. I love it.

  224. #224 by Georgie on December 22, 2012

    New petition. Sign it if you care about abuses by corrupt cops.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/ban-public-sector-police-unions/YtZqBLvN

  225. #225 by Stanley Fiala on December 22, 2012

    “Even after a year he hasn’t figured out that I don’t much mind it”……….. Hmmmmmm

    Why should you?

    It is Golem of the Prague, but because you are Jewish moron mongoloid without any education you believed that it was anti-Semitic insult and probably still do.

    Educate yourself idiot.

    Culture of the Czech Republic
    The Golem is a popular figure in the Czech Republic. There are several restaurants and other businesses whose names make reference to the creature.[8] Strongman René Richter goes by the nickname “Golem”,[8] and a Czech monster truck outfit calls itself the “Golem Team”.

    Abraham Akkerman preceded his article on human automatism in the contemporary city with a short satirical poem on a pair of golems turning human.[32]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem

  226. #226 by Greg Diamond on December 23, 2012

    I’m sorry, sad little gnome — do you want me to start with teaching you your multiplication tables?

  227. #227 by Greg Diamond on December 23, 2012

    Is his attorney in a coma or something? Does counsel know what his client is doing here?

  228. #228 by 24/7 on December 24, 2012

    To all personnel:
    Ben Lira’s employment status with the Police Department has ended effective today. He is not allowed on the property of the police department and if he is seen here, a supervisor should be notified immediately to have him removed.
    Thank you-
    Dan Hughes
    Acting Chief of Police

  229. #229 by 24/7 on December 24, 2012

    To all personnel:
    Ben Lira’s employment status with the Police Department has ended effective today. He is not allowed on the property of the police department and if he is seen here, a supervisor should be notified immediately to have him removed.
    Thank you-
    Dan Hughes
    Acting Chief of Police

  230. #230 by 24/7 on December 24, 2012

    To whom it may concern;

    To repeat what Acting Chief just said, yes, i’m finally done and officially a civilian. My 17.5 years were bitter sweet but in the end I took this job to prevent corruption and not work for it. I will be fine and all of you will be too. Keep your heads up high and continue to do the good work you do and maybe one day the administration will get it right.

    If you want to keep in touch please use this email address. Don’t be stupid and hit reply all though, but that might be worthy off a promotion if you did.

    the FBI agent investigating Dan Hughes and FPD is;

    Efren.delgado@ic.fbi.gov

    God Bless,

    Benjamin Lira

  231. #231 by Ben Lira Believes in Unicorns on December 24, 2012

    Don’t you mean the agent who was assigned to the investigation which was closed after no evidence of your allegations was found? I’m sure he’ll appreciate you posting his e-mail address.

  232. #232 by truthseeker on December 25, 2012

    Now more than ever Fullerton needs redemption. I invite you to contemplate the birth of the Savior and what His forgiveness can do. NO ONE is beyond the scope of his forgiveness no matter what you have done or where you have been. All that matters is where you are going. Merry Christmas to all and may 2013 bode well for the cause of justice in our town and the Nation. It is never too late to do the right thing.

  233. #233 by runningair on December 25, 2012

    24/7 :
    To all personnel:
    Ben Lira’s employment status with the Police Department has ended effective today. He is not allowed on the property of the police department and if he is seen here, a supervisor should be notified immediately to have him removed.
    Thank you-
    Dan Hughes
    Acting Chief of Police

    Dan Hughes has the authority to ban people from public property?

    Please explain.

  234. #234 by AntiCorruptionUnit on December 25, 2012

    Very true truthseeker.

    When the poop REALLY hits the fan, MADD is seldom around.

    MADD will NOT get involved in local politics as might be needed in your story.

    MADD is a feel good organization for the most part. They have done some good things.

    But MADD WILL NOT call BS for the most part and upset politicians.

    If MADD was truely an effective organization, it would be a FELONY to drive DUI.

    In order to enact such a law one would have to sidestep the DRUNKS up in Sacramento who would actually sign such a law.

    One can only go so far in getting things done in this State.

    Pissing off the boozers up north is NOT one of them.

  235. #235 by Stanley Fiala on December 25, 2012

    “DUI”………….. Hmmmmmm

    If you would be decent people you would boycott Orange Juice Blog which is own and published by the DUI convicted Felon Vern Nelson aka Gröfaz and all DUI crime aiders and abetters listed here: http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/about-orange-juice/

    Since you are moron mongoloids like MADD, however, talking from both sides of your mouth with forked tongue you will not.

    So remember that when you look in the mirror at January 1, 2013 00:00:01 and promise that you will shut your mouth in 2013.

    Have a Miserable New Year!

  236. #236 by Fullertons' Love on December 26, 2012

    “Victimology is the study of victimization, including the relationships between victims and offenders, the interactions between victims and the criminal justice system — that is, the police and courts, and corrections officials — and the connections between victims and other social groups and institutions, such as the media, businesses, and social movements.[1] Victimology is however not restricted to the study of victims of crime alone but may include other forms of human rights violations…” _Wikipedia

  237. #237 by Office of Sadistic Review on December 26, 2012

    Recall-mania: Why American voters are increasingly eager to oust lawmakers 12-26-2012

    http://theweek.com/article/index/238220/recall-mania-why-american-voters-are-increasingly-eager-to-oust-lawmakers

    “…Outside of Wisconsin, the most prominent set of recalls in the country were of three councilmen in Fullerton, Calif. They were removed from office after a homeless man was allegedly beaten to death by police. Fullerton offers a stark illustration of one of the major reasons why the recall has grown so popular. If it wasn’t for technology to help spread the message and the outrage, the Fullerton councilmen could probably have weathered the storm. Instead, their opponents organized online, where they could easily share video of the alleged incident of police brutality. Politically, this was incredibly effective…”

  238. #238 by Longtimefullertongirl on December 29, 2012

    This is just so sick how the last council vote went that is now back to where we were before all the hard work of the recall to make Fullerton Service Employees ACCOUNTABLE AND RESPONSIBLE!!!!!!

  239. #240 by MICKEY HALLER on December 30, 2012

    Like in Kelly Thomas?

  240. #241 by Anonymous on December 31, 2012

    I Support MADD :
    Adenhart, Stewart, and Wilhite were on their way to In Cahoots, having arrived via the 91, exiting on and driving up Lemon. I don’t know if any of the articles indicated where Stewart drank.
    The suspect and his passenger couldn’t explain why they were in Fullerton. There was no indication they were going to Fullerton to drink more. They had never been to Fullerton before.

    They were at the intersection of Orangethorpe so they drove right on by and were more than likely going to DTF for fun. Either that or the driver was already drunk herself.

  241. #242 by Mosca en la Pared on January 4, 2013

    You use that moniker because you must know how much Tony hates Jews.

  242. #243 by Mosca en la Pared on January 4, 2013

    It’s precious.

  243. #244 by Mosca en la Pared on January 4, 2013

    Wow R.D. Finally something intelligent comes out of your mouth.

  244. #245 by Mosca en la Pared on January 4, 2013

    Maybe/hopefully it was Christine.

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