Prepare to be “Educated”


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The other day a sharp-eyed commenter noticed that OC Supervisor Shawn Nelson is rolling into town on Tuesday to make a “presentation” about his homeless shelter proposal over on State College to the City Council. The County wants to buy a run-down commercial building and put north OC’s homeless in it. They are already in escrow.

As a former liberal myself I am very well-aware of the idea among my former soul-mates that everything is about education, as in: if only these dummies in Fullerton knew the real story there is no way they could possibly oppose our grandiose plan.

All I can say is beware of politicians with big ideas and lots of our money.

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  1. #1 by Mr. Peabody on February 17, 2013

    It’s for our own good, doncha know!

  2. #2 by PJ on February 17, 2013

    New City Motto: Fullerton, Skid Row of The OC.

    • #3 by truthseeker on February 17, 2013

      No The OC’s new skid row is downtown Fullerton with all the dirtbag liquor peddlers serving up the artery clogging deep fried crap in dimethyl siloxane sludge, booze and energy drinks turning bright young people into dumb animals and drunks and they leave their pewk, condoms, play out their rapes, do their dope, pop their pills and the pervert cops getting their jollies watching it all unfold. The shelter is where they will show up 10 years later after they have ruined their lives.

      • #4 by Shimon Mendel on February 20, 2013

        Wow, let’s bring back prohibition before its too late and ban fast food. Not very libertarian of you. Kind of NIMBY on steroids.

        • #5 by James Carville on February 21, 2013

          Touche, Shimon! As usual, you called it. They’re only Libertarian when protecting their wallets. As for the rest of the shit, I thought I was reading an Irvine blog for a second! NIMBY on steroids is absolutely correct.

          • #6 by truthseeker on February 25, 2013

            You can both ignore the facts of how places like DTF suck the taxpayers dry, take the brightest of our youth and turn them into bad decision makers and unemployable as the government ships in the skilled labor with the H-1B visas to fill the jobs. It’s ok because St. Jude gets the ER visits, the FPD gets the fodder for their quotas, the dirtbag liquor peddlers get the green, the oncology and cardiac industries expand and the burnouts by age 27 are microwaving hot pockets in their parents basements playing video games. Yes sadly they have forgone the blessing of owning homes and raising families like the American dream offers those who have not been sucked into the destructive lifestyle that leads to a high speed joyride right into a brick wall. Libertarianism and licentiousness are mutually exclusive.

            Justice, prosperity, responsibility, toleration, cooperation, and peace are by no means embodied by the municipality’s disastrous Frankenstein creation downtown patrolled by Fullerton’s own version of Blackwater.

            Our kids are doomed to a life of debt and unemployment if we continue to feed them into a meat grinder and expect them to be able to compete sporting an L-taurine booze induced hangover as the world passes them by. As the magnet’s power of OC’s newest skid row gets cranked up as the gauss meter goes off the charts with the taxpayer funded planes trains and automobiles that bring em in with a new parking structure and bus line to boot the expansion of more of the same is what you will expect. You will know a tree by its fruit and it is harvest time in Fullerton. See you downtown-not.

    • #7 by MICKEY HALLER on February 17, 2013

      I like “Bum City USA”..

  3. #8 by Fullerton Lover on February 17, 2013

    I don’t understand why ex-Fullerton Mayor and current Orange County Supervisor, Shawn Nelson, doesn’t understand that we will not tolerate an elected official who uses some sort of “eminent domain” scheme to saddle the city of Fullerton with the rest of Orange County’s homeless in much the same way that the state of California has used the National Guard Armory to bus the homeless into Fullerton from around Orange County as they’ve been doing tor as many years as I can remember…

    http://articles.latimes.com/2001/mar/07/local/me-34421

  4. #9 by van get it da artiste on February 17, 2013

    Hopefully, someone will ask Supervisor Nelson what research was done prior to purchasing this particular site that proves this building is a cure-all for homelessness in Fullerton.
    Actual research not the Rusty Kennedy and Pam Keller Fullerton Homeless Taskforce and Fullerton Collaborative pabulum and accusations of NIMBYism to shroud this real estate scheme that smells of cronyism.
    Will Supervisor Nelson present actual statistics derived from surveying the needs of Fullerton’s homeless, will Nelson compare the statistical analysis gained from more than one survey and compare it to other successful municipal homeless programs. Will dissenting research be included in our “education” that may or not may show purchase of an empty furniture store best meets the needs of the homeless.
    Or will those who are dependent on the Orange County board of Supervisors’ continued funding of their commissions and collaboratives again run interference between the good people of Fullerton and their political representatives at the county and city level by screaming NIMBYism at anyone who opposes the purchase of an empty furniture store at cost of millions to taxpayers.

  5. #10 by truthseeker on February 17, 2013

    The god of pragmatism has retained an insidious place on the altar. Are there any in public office that have not bowed the knee?

  6. #11 by Fullerton Lover on February 17, 2013

    van get it da artiste,

    I don’t think that you’ll ever get much of an analysis on the real estate side of things with the purchase of this building.

    According to the contract language that’s contained within the RFP (request for proposal) that accompanied Supervisor Nelson’s solicitation for this homeless shelter, is a strict provision that doesn’t allow for any of the other qualified Real Estate Agents in Fullerton and Orange County to acquire this property for the County of Orange.

    Instead, the RFP states that only one Real Estate Agent in Orange County has enough “local expertise” to fulfill this contract, and that Real Estate Agent happens to be Cameron Irons, who is a friend of Shawn Nelson’s.

    According to my figures, if Real Estate Agents receive even 1/2 of the commission of the 6% split amongst the buying and selling agent, that’s still almost a $1,000,000.00 commission check.

    • #12 by Mr. Peabody on February 17, 2013

      You slipped a zero into that. It’s $100,000. Still a tidy sum for having done almost nothing as far as I can tell.

      • #13 by Fullerton Lover on February 17, 2013

        Duly noted!

    • #14 by van get it da artiste on February 17, 2013

      Fullerton lover, I grasp your real estate comments. However, what valid research has been done that shows their is a strong correlation between turning the empty furniture store on State College Blvd into a homeless shelter and decreasing the number of homeless on fullerton’s streets, especially Fullerton’s transportation hub.

      • #15 by Fullerton Lover on February 17, 2013

        All I see is a full-time gig for your friends (I’m kidding) Rusty Kennedy and Pam Keller and Darrel MacGowan.

        None of which has ever spoke out against the Fullerton police officers that killed Kelly Thomas.

        Administrative apolologist ass kissers all of them.

  7. #16 by truthseeker on February 17, 2013

    In my opinion I believe that Nelson has calculated the mileage he will get out of this ramrodded philanthropy yielding political capital all the while almalgamating him into the spokes of the wheel of the limousine liberals’ merry go round in the hopes of attaching to himself a long tail of donor guarantees. This is what drives these deceitful moves in my opinion. The taxpayers get no say, just the 10 million dollar bill. The residents have no voice except maybe 2 minutes at most on Tuesday if even that. In my opinion he needs to be voted out of office and sent back home in diapers. This ill conceived smoky back room deal is a major threat to public safety in its proposed location that the adjacent students and residents will have to live with for generations. The homeless need help but lets get real folks. Does only one realtor in a county of several million people and handful of those do gooders who were silent on the murder of Kelly Thomas really have the wisdom to know what is best for ALL involved?

  8. #17 by cg on February 17, 2013

    From the Observer, Sorry just had to read it. This can’t be good. This is what they call themselves “Fullerton Collaborative”….

    “Town Hall: The Task Force voted to cosponsor
    a town hall with Supervisor
    Shawn Nelson and Karen Roper at
    6:30pm on March 11 in Fullerton, tentively
    scheduled at the library conference
    center (however the location may change).
    Councilmembers Jan Flory and Jennifer
    Fitzgerald; Mayor Protem Doug Chaffee;
    former Mayor Protem and Task Force
    Member Pam Keller, who also heads the
    Fullerton Collaborative; and Task Force
    member Ron Thomas, father of Kelly
    Thomas, the mentally ill homeless man
    who died five days after being beaten by
    police, were also at the meeting.”

    • #18 by Fred Alcazar on February 17, 2013

      More education. But that sounds a lot like a Brown Act violation to me.

      • #19 by cg on February 17, 2013

        OK, I went there and read it….This is as close as I came, that make us wonder why 3 council members are on this Fullerton Collaborative.
        ‘As used in this chapter, “action taken” means a collective decision made by a majority of the members of a legislative body, a collective commitment or promise by a majority of the members of a legislative body to make a positive or a negative decision, or an actual vote by a majority of the members of a legislative body when sitting as a body or entity, upon a motion, proposal, resolution, order or ordinance. ”
        Now someone give me a pencil so I can poke my eyes out……

        • #20 by cg on February 17, 2013

          Also for the Fullerton citizens who want to speak at the Council meetings here’s something for them.
          “The legislative body of a local agency shall not prohibit public criticism of the policies, procedures, programs, or services of the agency, or of the acts or omissions of the legislative body. Nothing in this subdivision shall confer any privilege or protection for expression beyond that otherwise provided by law “…
          give me another pencil…. This is all from the Brown Act.
          Pencil for all….

    • #21 by van get it da artiste on February 19, 2013

      shame on me for not noticing this sooner “tentively”. I even went to the source , the “Fullerton Observer” and there it was the word tentatively misspelled as tentively.
      This is not a typo, it is a spelling error that reveals the intellect of the persons who have used this very local newspaper to influence the politics of our town.
      This raises the bigger question. Who are the shakers and movers of our town who buy into the stupidity of Sharon Kennedy,ghost written by CSU Fullerton Professor Vince Buck, the cheerleader for “College Town”, and her “Fullerton Observer”?

      • #22 by Shimon Mendel on February 21, 2013

        My God, say it ain’t so! A spelling error! Take away their ‘movers and shakers’ membership.
        …really?

  9. #23 by Up On The Hill, Too on February 17, 2013

    I guess once you get elected you can talk yourself into any kind of idiocy – and the taxpayers and neighbors be damned.

    Nelson is shoving this up our asses. I should have voted for Sidhu. Hopefully Pringle will run an opponent in 2014.

  10. #24 by HUH? on February 17, 2013

    THANK YOU RON THOMAS FOR BRINGING ALL THE BUMS IN ORANGE COUNTY TO FULLERTON. IN KELLY’S NAME AND YOUR POCKETS.

    • #25 by Shimon Mendel on February 20, 2013

      They’ve been here a long time. The transporation Center and the city parking structure are a draw. KT was a symptom not the cause.

      • #26 by Spectator on February 21, 2013

        Yes they have been here but n

        • #27 by Spectator on February 21, 2013

          In these numbers.

  11. #28 by Up On The Hill, Too on February 17, 2013

    By the way, does anybody know if the County has even bothered to find out how much this dump is going to cost to fix up to meet codes and ADA compliance? It’s got to be in the millions. Where’s that money going to come from?

    • #29 by County Clerk on February 17, 2013

      Buy first, ask questions later. The OC County way!!

    • #30 by Shimon Mendel on February 21, 2013

      As much as I commend the idea that brought the County to the point of doing something about homelessness; the way they went about it has been the opposite of transparency in govt and if the project does move forward, will cost shit loads of money more than it should.

  12. #31 by Curious on February 17, 2013

    God dammit!!

    • #32 by cg on February 17, 2013

      Too funny Curious, simple, but to the point. You posted what everyone else thinking.

  13. #33 by Fullerton's Conscience on February 17, 2013

    It seems that Supervisor Nelson has got this process backwards. We should of had this so-called presentation before the county overpaid for a rundown retail piece of property close to a school and a residential neighborhood. But it is all about money and power. I feel dirty just thinking about this slick politician.

    Supervisor Nelson is every bit as dangerous as our former councilman and police chief McKinley.

    All honest and reformed minded citizens regardless of party affiliation need to make voting him out of office our top priority!

    • #34 by hmmm on February 18, 2013

      Aren’t you making an unsubstantiated conclusion when you say its all about money and power with Supervisor Nelson. He has proven over time that he has the best interests of the public in mind. Weve had enouph meetings hours of public debate in city hall meetings. If get this whole thing tangled up in an argumentive process the shelter would be years before it ever got off the ground not to mention at a greater cost. The public will have a chance to oppose the plan when its up for zoning change. If you really want to represent fullertons conscience then represent all fullertonians even the homeless ones.

      • #35 by Jimmy on the Eastside on February 18, 2013

        “He has proven over time that he has the best interests of the public in mind.”

        Oh yeah? How about some examples. Looks like he just wants throw his weight around and/or play footsie with the Fullerton lefties where everything is all about how good you can make yourself feel.

      • #36 by Cameron's Conscience on February 18, 2013

        No I really do not exist. But $100,000 will be wa-a-a-a-ay cool.

      • #37 by van get it da artiste on February 21, 2013

        hmmmm, what proof did Nelson give to the public that placing a homeless shelter at State College Blvd near Commonwealth best meets the needs of Fullerton and OC’s homeless, hmmmmmm?

  14. #38 by Stanley Fiala on February 17, 2013

    This is the third article about the homelessness yet you are too stupid to understand the real causes of it.

    FYI, if we want to be free as is provided by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, we must be homeless.

    No IRS, Franchise Tax Board, DMV ID or any other oppressive documents are required.

    You are just a feather in the wind enjoing the nature in its best and worse.

    That is, until you get in touch with the allegedly civilized society which wants you to be institutionalized in some fucking shelter and protected by the peace officers like Ramos and Cicinelli.

    you are all sick!

    • #39 by HUH? on February 20, 2013

      Get these guys back on the streets. They will take care of the homeless population.

      • #40 by a non mem on February 20, 2013

        I lived in Irvine for years. On more than one occasion I witnessed police (IPD) hand homeless money and send them on a bus to Tustin. Money right out of their own pocket. You don’t see too many homeless in Irvine, and nobody seems to get hurt. Of course Tustin probably not too happy…

        • #41 by Shimon Mendel on February 21, 2013

          Cool idea – panhandle the cops in Irvine!

  15. #42 by Anonymous on February 18, 2013

    In addition to the zoning change, where does CEQA and an EIR fit in this plan?
    Who will pay for the EIR and ensuing legal fees?

    You can bet that the final costs$ will be at least ten(10) times what will be presented.

    • #43 by Urban Planner on February 18, 2013

      Even if the City doesn’t change the zone or General Plan the County can do it anyway. It’s a perverse theory about the “sovereignty” of each government.

      There will be a pro forma Mitigated Negative Declaration that will be nothing but another F-U to the neighbors.

  16. #44 by casafern on February 18, 2013

    Has anyone been to Santa Ana Civic center lately? That’s where the other half of this County’s homeless live. And right there is an empty building that the County already owns. If Supervisor Nelson is serious on housing the homeless, why not start there? No homes or school yards close by. Plenty of public transportation and in a building the County already owns.

    • #45 by van get it da artiste on February 18, 2013

      it is too close to home, the other adage slightly skewed by me, “you don’t let others s**t where you feed

    • #46 by Peaches on February 19, 2013

      sorry – but Santa Ana Civic Center doesn’t have the “other half”… There are issues in Costa Mesa near the (former?) Triangle shopping mall – a community center there has signs in the restrooms telling people not to shower/bathe/etc., the nearby library has many others.

      This is a county-wide issue and ALL of the supervisors need to step up; even if the supervisor or supervisors(?) who oversee the wealthy areas in south county (Newport Coast, Coto de Caza, etc.) have no homeless (which I doubt), they can step up and fund shelters.

  17. #47 by Jurnalist on February 19, 2013

    Fullerton Lover :All I see is a full-time gig for your friends (I’m kidding) Rusty Kennedy and Pam Keller and Darrel MacGowan.
    None of which has ever spoke out against the Fullerton police officers that killed Kelly Thomas.
    Administrative apolologist ass kissers all of them.

    they all get a paycheck for not doing anything…MCGOWEN is a scumbag, and Ims till waiting for the IRS, to pull his tax exempt status, How come ROn thomas openly mocked KKKKiller Keller, but now loves her? No one else on your fake team RON- THEY ARE PART OF KELLYS CARNEYS- what a complete waste of money- why does chris thompson keep voting Kkkeller in? Why? O thats right- people- this is a game- not for us, but the rich, Like in trading places where they bet a mans life for a buck, this is what goes on here. Joe Felz and Lucinda our city clerk makes as much as the monarchy, I say we go bankrupt before the end of march.

  18. #48 by Jurnalist on February 19, 2013

    casafern :Has anyone been to Santa Ana Civic center lately? That’s where the other half of this County’s homeless live. And right there is an empty building that the County already owns. If Supervisor Nelson is serious on housing the homeless, why not start there? No homes or school yards close by. Plenty of public transportation and in a building the County already owns.

    nope they bussed them in trying to get decapitate ( decaprio) and keller and her ventriliquist dummy, some more money at the expense of the people…COLLABORATIVE- is a pathetic grifting scam, they have some snot nosed hispanic kid and do the picture op- thanks fullertonians for allowing killer kellerand her twat kid to work in our city and make a mint at our homeless expense, but wait have rustys sister write a lame paper to add to the fake credence the KILLER KELLER and her sex offender pal, Murray? I ave pics Keller likes hangin with her kids around a molester…Pam you around kids much? We will fix that/

    • #49 by van get it da artiste on February 19, 2013

      Is this a serious accusation? A school teacher is friends with a child molester knowing he is a child molester?

      • #50 by R.D. on February 19, 2013

        I’ll be at council tonight with the court papers for John Murray. Be happy to show anyone who want to see them.

        • #51 by van get it da artiste on February 19, 2013

          wow!

        • #52 by Fullerton Lover on February 19, 2013

          You hit it out of the park!

          “Are we clear on that now’? Was priceless.

        • #53 by HUH? on February 20, 2013

          Who gives a shit? Oh yeah, you and only you.

          • #54 by DUH! on February 20, 2013

            Great comeback troll.

            I’m sure that intellect of yours has done your parents proud!

  19. #55 by Jurnalist on February 19, 2013

    Shawn NElson is a pathetic slack jawed horses ass, who undoubtably at some time has fist fucked flory, and had that fat neck of his that holds what left of his pir hole up, he is a sad man- supported by bootlicker Jenny from the block. Why has anyone supported this guy, o thats right give him money and he will pretend to be your freind too..NIce work Cam Irons, you and your pals think you got away with this, you havent-Cam IRons, scumbag- shawn nelson- even bigger scum bag-

    • #56 by James Carville on February 21, 2013

      Jurnalist, you’re a fucking idiot. Seriously, what the fucking fuck?

      • #57 by DUH! on February 21, 2013

        That’s quite a vocabulary you have there James.

        • #58 by James Carville on February 22, 2013

          Thank you.

  20. #59 by Greg Diamond on February 19, 2013

    Fullerton should push for at least four more shelters, aside from this one, in other areas of the county so that it doesn’t become a countywide dumping ground. Let me know when you’re interested in some actual political action.

    • #60 by Friendly Neighbor on February 19, 2013

      ok

    • #61 by Shimon Mendel on February 20, 2013

      So, how is little old Fullerton going to ‘convince’ the County to to build other shelters in… lets say Stanton, Garden Grove, Tustin, why not Mission Viejo, Irvine, hell Newport Beach … no Newport Coast, Coto De Caza! Wait I know why it won’t work. Fullerton got up the butt from the County already — what Fullerton wants doesn’t mean crap.

      • #62 by Greg Diamond on February 20, 2013

        How did the Supes get convinced to build this one? That way.

        Yes, I’d say that one in the west, one in central (some distance from Santa Ana downtown, which is already pulling its weight) and one in south Orange County would be a good approach.

        Ideally, it would be one in each supervisorial district. Nguyen’s and Nelson’s are covered. *And*, the county should accompany placement of such a shelter with additional funds to benefit the communities that take on a responsibility that other parts of the county want to shirk.

        How do we make it happen — ask people on the website that agitated for change over the Recall? Oh, I’ll bet people here still have some idea of how to agitate for change.

        • #63 by And on February 20, 2013

          Are you still talking. Open up your two bedroom apartment in Brea to the homeless and then start braying.

    • #64 by Anonymous on February 20, 2013

      Political action from you? A tool of the establishment?

      Hahahahaha!

      • #65 by Greg Diamond on February 20, 2013

        Your ignorance is a vast resource for your commentary.

        • #66 by And on February 20, 2013

          Hey, give us a list of what you’ve accomplished, Donkey.

          • #67 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 20, 2013

            Lets smile ignore him and let him and his move on to greener pastures. :)

            Dont even acknowledge (FEED) the trolls, thats how I see it.

  21. #68 by Peaches on February 19, 2013

    Did Shawn Nelson stick around for Public Comments?

    • #69 by cg on February 19, 2013

      no

      • #70 by Peaches on February 19, 2013

        I was a bit distracted, but I think Flory just called him out on leaving?

        • #71 by cg on February 19, 2013

          Yes, she did….Who is the angry man, that really seems to dislike her?

    • #72 by van get it da artiste on February 20, 2013

      what? Shawn Nelson, the juggernaut for curing homelessness in fullerton. refused to hear the public’s comments on his Hygieia by the railroad tracks located in a strip mall by physically removing himself from public access.
      Is Orange County Supervisor Nelson’s action an example of representative government?
      No.
      OC Supervisor Nelson political stage may be compared to a child’s developmental stage with his premature departure from the meeting.
      Supervisor Nelson is at the sensorimotor stage of infants where when an object is no longer in the infants sight, the object no longer exists to him or her.
      So when Supervisor Nelson left the meeting before public comments portion of it, then he no longer needed to be accountable to his constituents as they no longer existed to him.

      • #73 by Stanley Says on February 20, 2013

        When I left the meeting an hour after public comment had concluded Nelson was still in the foyer talking to residents. The meeting was being broadcast load and clear and there were several people watching the meeting on the tv. Does listening to public comment only count if you actually have a seat in the auditorium?

        • #74 by van get it da artiste on February 20, 2013

          “When I left the meeting an hour after public comment had concluded Nelson was still in the foyer talking to residents”
          Yes. Why the need to take the discussion out of public forum? Turning a strip mall into a homeless sevice center concerns all of fullerton”s community as the homeless are found throughout Fullerton.
          Did Nelson only use tax dollars taken from the residents adjacent to this strip mall?
          No. He used county-wide tax dollars, therefore the expenditure of fullerton’s and OC’s hard earned dollars concerns all of us.
          The foremost question is whether the county purchase of this peice of real estate located on State College truly benefits the homeless or is it another petty politicain abusing his power to benefit his cronies while presenting him or herself as a benevolent civic leader?
          I thought fullerton’s city council meeting were streamed on the internet allowing all residents to vicariously sit in the fullerton city hall’s auditorium? Are meetings between politicians and constituents streamed on the internet if held in same hall’s foyer?

  22. #75 by cg on February 19, 2013

    Who was the lady talking about Hamilton? She does not lile him at all!!!! Brave she is….

  23. #81 by Jurnalist on February 19, 2013

    Jan Flory just spewed …I wont invite you in my home to SHIT on the carpet…..that was awesome!

    • #82 by Fullerton Lover on February 19, 2013

      …right after Bruce got done saying that they were going to keep it civil.

    • #83 by Anonymous on February 20, 2013

      She kicked me off her facebook page because I put: “Nag, nag, nag, no one listens to you” during her election run. I didn’t shit on her carpet, it was already that way.

  24. #84 by Flory Doesn't Get It on February 19, 2013

    Holy crap.

    “In my view, this wasn’t an over charge.”

    SHE DOESN’T GET IT WASN’T LEGAL.

    • #85 by Friendly Neighbor on February 20, 2013

      Three council members did not get it last night.

  25. #86 by Jurnalist on February 20, 2013

    Dont cha know if ya just rename it, those city dwellers wont even know what hit em”….doc heehaw.

  26. #87 by Shawn Nelson's political future.. on February 20, 2013

    Stanley Says :When I left the meeting an hour after public comment had concluded Nelson was still in the foyer talking to residents. The meeting was being broadcast load and clear and there were several people watching the meeting on the tv. Does listening to public comment only count if you actually have a seat in the auditorium?

    yes that shawn shill was peddling his snake oil, and how many realitors does it take to fuck over fullerton…the answer 3.

  27. #88 by Jenny from the block on February 20, 2013

    Is is just me, or did I just witness our very own Sarah Palin, in the form of doe eyed, danny lover- Jenny Fitzy, is as close to palin as I ever want to get- Jesus, they even did the walmart make over on her, the pre election Jenny and the new and improved hair jenny, the new go in the republican old lady closet and get yer clothes, or are they in the wonder wagon they drive around and let ladies who have no business in politics, did they bring her the Sarah Palin Wardrobe people? This is getting pretty sad people. We have Sarah- I see the end of her career from here-Fitzgerald. Nice.

    • #89 by van get it da artiste on February 20, 2013

      it is better to replicate an original work than be original? having said that Jenny fitzgerald is an ersatz rendition of Palin

  28. #90 by Fullerton's Conscience on February 20, 2013

    The bottom line is that the public is either too apathetic, too lazy or they just do not care enough to elect decent people to represent them on a consistent basis. Every once in a while a good candidate wins, ala Mayor Whitaker and C. Sebourn. But alas their hands are tied due to the corrupt majority.

  29. #91 by Spun on February 21, 2013

    hmmm :Aren’t you making an unsubstantiated conclusion when you say its all about money and power with Supervisor Nelson. He has proven over time that he has the best interests of the public in mind. Weve had enouph meetings hours of public debate in city hall meetings. If get this whole thing tangled up in an argumentive process the shelter would be years before it ever got off the ground not to mention at a greater cost. The public will have a chance to oppose the plan when its up for zoning change. If you really want to represent fullertons conscience then represent all fullertonians even the homeless ones.

    I have zero issue woth the homeless, its Mr Nelsons, standard- I never thought about that-clause, he is an ass clown always has been and if you support him chances are your an ass clown too- just saying- Nelson -is a money making machine for him and his pals, nothing else.
    I do have issue with the realitors making cash hand over fist, for a HOMELESS shelter, yeah lets make money off the homeless, where did you hear that rgeat idea, no doubt SHawn – let me get drunk at the tax payers expense- nelson. Fuck Nelson.

  30. #92 by enjoylife on February 21, 2013

    hi

  31. #93 by enjoylife on February 21, 2013

    Please, lets get as many people here as possible. We need to let everyone one know about this Nelson transaction. If raise enough hell we can get the news crews out there..help..

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    Citizens Invited to “Talk Around Town” with Mayor Bruce Whitaker

    Fullerton, Ca – Been too busy to keep track of what’s going on in your city? Well come join Mayor Bruce Whitaker as he host, “Talk Around Town with Bruce,” a monthly Town-Hall style meeting with the community.
    “Talk Around Town” is the title of an informal gathering on Tuesday, February 26, hosted by Fullerton City Mayor, Bruce Whitaker in the Theatre Lobby at Hope International University (HIU) at 2500 E. Nutwood Ave., across from California State University, Fullerton.
    Mayor Whitaker will be at HIU from 6:30-7:30 p.m. to meet with citizens and discuss any “issues, ideas or concerns they may have about the city,”
    Appointments are not necessary, and citizens are welcome to just drop in and join in the conversation. The format will be informal with the Mayor giving an update on key issues in the City and then opening up the rest of the time for questions and answers.
    The “Talk Around Town” sessions are planned for the fourth Tuesday of each month at different locations around the City.
    Further information about the program may be obtained by calling the City Council Office at Fullerton City Hall at (714) 738-6311.
    Persons requiring special accommodations to attend the February 26 session are asked to notify the City Council Office staff prior to that date.

  32. #94 by enjoylife on February 21, 2013

    It was no surprise that my first encounter with Shawn Nelson was a disappointing one. He was smug and indifferent and it was clear to see he was not on the side of the citizens seeking more information on the shelter. I specially asked him whether the Board of Supervisors would send out a general information notice to the property owners in the area and he said no. He brushed off any concerns with regard to the importance of notifying parents of school children and young adults about the shelter and any concerns regarding safety were scoffed at. He eventually grudging said the BOS would send notice to the parents of Commonwealth Elementary school, and to perhaps a small radius of homes in the area, but it was clear he was in no rush to do so.

    Because I am new to the political process and have never personally been screwed over by a city I live in, it has taken me a few minutes to figure all of this out. I must say I feel like a bit of an idiot to not have seen the truck of realization that was about to hit me. This is what I have determined: Shawn Nelson has no desire to notify the general population because it does not serve his purpose. Why invite critics to the party? The more people that know about the shelter the more that will complain. Too many complainers may jeopardize the shelter, so clearly keeping the public in the dark is the right choice. Sadly, I feel I am not alone in my Pollyanna assumption that the BOS and/or the City of Fullerton would reach out to its citizens for impact statements and based on the information gathered, public discussion would be had and as a city we would collectively decide if the location of the shelter was an appropriate one. Although I have figured Supervisor Nelson’s game out, in a relatively short amount of time, I think most citizens are still at the shocked and dismayed level of realization – most are just trying to reason with Supervisor Nelson and get him to see the importance of communicating with the public. Hopefully they will come to the same conclusion that I have realized and that is the citizens of Fullerton are on our own. Admittedly, this is a sad realization for me, and I think it will be one for most Fullertonians.

    Supervisor Nelson’s plan is to stonewall questions, not disseminate any information other than the marketing pitch about the shelter and let the public remain uninformed and stumbling around in the dark. This plan, takes little to no effort on his part and I am sure has been hugely successful in the past. As such if we don’t want to be stuck with a shelter that will never leave our backyards It is more important than ever to continue to get the word out on this, to pass out flyers and knock on doors. If you know attorneys or people of influence recruit them into the fight and most importantly we all need to continue to show up for every meeting that is held on this topic to voice our concerns and we need to encourage our friends and neighbors to do the same. I hope everyone will attend the Walk with the Mayor gathering at Hope University on Tuesday February 23 at 6:30. This will give us all a chance to talk with him directly. Additionally, it is my understanding that the Mayor will be writing a piece for the paper in support of more community outreach regarding the shelter. Let’s continue to fight for our kids and for our property values and for the sweet delicious victory of not letting that pompous jackass of a Supervisor win.

    • #95 by Anonymous on February 21, 2013

      Ultimately this will come down to a zoning change, which will require a council resolution.

      You will have three opportunities to deny the zoning change.

      1) The Planning Commission

      Probably a good idea to start talking to commissioners.

      2) .The City Council

      If recommended by the commission, the council will vote on the change.

      3) Referenda

      If the council passes the zoning change, a petition may be circulated to overturn the council’s resolution. The council would not be able to consider the item again for one year pending the outcome of the public vote.

      Happy lobbying.

    • #96 by Take a hard look on February 21, 2013

      How can you enjoy life when it only revolves around yourself.That is the prescription for misery. Your kids aren’t complaining about homeless people at a nearby shelter so don’t hide behind them. Your own self-worth and and property value is what your thinking about. There is no reason why we can’t all collectively get along as a society. Some day you may be old,dependant, mabey even homeless, who knows. Why not look out for each other. It really does make life more enjoyable. Involving yourself with those in need is much more rewarding than thinking only of your own value.

    • #97 by van get it da artiste on February 21, 2013

      good analysis, please write more
      what galls me is the only reason to place the homeless shelter at the now abandoned Linder’s furniture store is because it is empty real estate set in a declining strip mall.
      Where is it proven that warehousing the homeless in a warehouse best meets the needs of the homeless and Fullerton’s community?
      Since the homeless are a transient lot, I thought a more transient homeless shelter and services would reach and service more homeless.
      Itinerant homeless county services, finding temporary shelter when the weather demands it, seeking out the homeless instead of expecting the homeless seeking out services, who are notoriously not good with follow through when it concerns their health and welfare.
      It would eliminate the expensive need for a multi-million dollar structure that may not be a very effective outreach for the homeless.
      Anyway, why Nelson’s rush to push the sale of this real estate?

  33. #98 by enjoylife on February 21, 2013

    Take a hard look…it is not that we do not care for the homeless and shelter idea , it is the process that was applied that completely cutoff the community involved and the location is not the best location. Please, read the feed and you will educate yourself on the hapless approach by Nelson that has gotten us Fullertonians to this point. You will see that this is a real estate deal with a lot of money involved that most likely was the key player in the decisions to keep the public in the dark. Enjoy life, Take a hard look. =)

    • #99 by truthseeker on February 21, 2013

      I will repost my comments here:
      In my opinion I believe that Nelson has calculated the mileage he will get out of this ramrodded philanthropy yielding political capital all the while almalgamating him into the spokes of the wheel of the limousine liberals’ merry go round in the hopes of attaching to himself a long tail of donor guarantees. This is what drives these deceitful moves in my opinion. The taxpayers get no say, just the 10 million dollar bill. The residents have no voice except maybe 2 minutes at most on Tuesday if even that. In my opinion he needs to be voted out of office and sent back home in diapers. This ill conceived smoky back room deal is a major threat to public safety in its proposed location that the adjacent students and residents will have to live with for generations. The homeless need help but lets get real folks. Does only one realtor in a county of several million people and handful of those do gooders who were silent on the murder of Kelly Thomas really have the wisdom to know what is best for ALL involved?

      • #100 by van get it da artiste on February 22, 2013

        the impact on the neighborhood and adjacent school may be neglible as nothing has been proferred by Nelson and his sycophants, Kennedy and Keller, that shows the transient homeless population will even seek out this place for food, clothing and shelter.
        what truly amazes me is how mediocre people with limited knowledge and intelligence gain so much power and tax dollar money by entering the political machine called municipal government?
        No where have I seen any meaningful analysis showing what type of services would best benefit the homeless.
        How did our representatives in government conclude that buying an empty furniture store is the best way to ameliorate homelessness and its detrimental effects on them?
        why can’t the county pay churches to open up their usually empty buildings to the homeless? I know many of the small, less charismatic, traditional churches throughout the OC are struggling to financially survive and may gladly welcome this stipend from the county.
        Again, the big question that is hidden behind the usual schrill schills for Nelson is why is this purchase of a building that financially benefits a friend of Nelson the only recourse our county representatives deem a viable solution to helping the homeless?

        • #101 by truthseeker on February 22, 2013

          Van the money for the churches is there in their coffers as well as through Big Brother under the faith based initiatives that Bush rolled out over a decade ago. The fact is the churches want the money for nothing and the chicks for free. They just want to show up on payday and not for work during the week. Look around at the empty buildings mon-sat and look at the lots on payday-Sunday. The city of Fullerton needs another recall. This time it needs to be done right.

  34. #102 by cg on February 21, 2013

    Give us Fullerton residents, a chance to vote on the homeless shelter. That is our right. I think that is fair. That will be Nelson’s chance to shine. It seems very underhanded, that the county is trying to slip things in, without the residents approval. How can we be educated, when the county is going behind our backs? SLIMEY

    • #103 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 21, 2013

      You all have an incorrect delusional view and ideas about what Government is!!!

      “Its what you need to not know so you can sleep at night!!!”

      If you vote for biased corruption, what should you get???

      • #104 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 21, 2013

        Its obvious when politicians and their cronies dont give a shit, process it and move on. They fear the News Media, the internet and Blogs. They live in the past.

  35. #105 by Spun on February 23, 2013

    HUH? :Who gives a shit? Oh yeah, you and only you.

    Hey PAM, wasnt this the guy you were hanging around with? had your kids hanging with him, all the while screaming weed is bad, but molesters are ok huh, pam keller- the Educational collective fucktard at FUHSD? So, Im just asking- why is it ok for spam to hang with molesters, but If i have a medical card for weed, Im a terrorist? What the hell…fullerton is so fucking lame.

  36. #106 by Ask Spunky on February 25, 2013

    Take a hard look :How can you enjoy life when it only revolves around yourself.That is the prescription for misery. Your kids aren’t complaining about homeless people at a nearby shelter so don’t hide behind them. Your own self-worth and and property value is what your thinking about. There is no reason why we can’t all collectively get along as a society. Some day you may be old,dependant, mabey even homeless, who knows. Why not look out for each other. It really does make life more enjoyable. Involving yourself with those in need is much more rewarding than thinking only of your own value.

    Pam Keller and her ilk have been playing the money game,lets get paid for volunteering, we are about to loose teachers, but Pammy and her klan, who love BANKHEAD< JONES & She bear mc fucknut- why should we pretend they arent a sick group of people? If anyone comes across these sick fuck avoid them.

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