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The Culture of Complaisance is about to get a lot more expensive.

If you notice item 12 on the Fullerton City Council agenda for Tuesday, good for you. It means you have pondered other idiocies – from the moronic CSUF “College Town” boondoggle through the closed session legal embarrassments involving Chief Danny Hughes and his goons in blue.

Which is a nice segue back to item 12. According to staff the City’s insurance well is dry due to a couple of big payouts in 2012. That’s bad news because now the City will have to issue a big chunk of debt so that the FPD payouts can proceed apace and Garo Mardirossian can get that 2014 Ferrari.

Of course the cash, raised by the sale of bonds will cost the General Fund a nifty $500,000 a year for the next couple of decades. City Manager Joe Felz will be enjoying his massive pension by then, so who the Hell cares, right?

Ironically, the cases of Veth Mam, Trevor Clarke, Edward Quinonez and Ron Thomas will drain the coffers yet again, requiring even more debt for fiscal year 14-15. The staff report says we need to protect Fullerton’s credit rating by issuing new debt. That’s a creative argument. I think we could protect Fullerton’s credit rating by eliminating the Culture of Corruption.

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  1. #1 by Jesus on February 3, 2013

    America, the happiest place in the world where the people are dumber than the government.

  2. #2 by R.D. on February 3, 2013

    If I was the insurance company for the City of Fullerton, I would drop their insurance ASAP. Looks like City of Fullerton will have high risk insurance for the next decade or so.

  3. #3 by cg on February 3, 2013

    Fullerton is self insured. No outside insurance company. Welcome to bankruptsey…..If you are a Fullerton employee, you need to think about jumpin. The kitty is dry.

  4. #4 by Look around on February 3, 2013

    People have already been quiting their City jobs since Felz has become City Manager.

  5. #5 by Hey Bob on February 3, 2013

    “In droves” says Gin Flurry. But it was all Travis and Bruce’s fault!!

  6. #6 by Gin Flurry on February 3, 2013

    Aw shizzle. Thass’ lot a wisky sourzes.

  7. #7 by Look around on February 3, 2013

    Hey Bob, yep that is why and now I have some bridges to sell ya. Too bad the Dems were so gullible!

  8. #8 by Greg Diamond on February 3, 2013

    I agree that the actions requiring these settlements were wrongful and needed to be stopped. The removal of the pre-Recall majority did that. The post-Recall majority, though, had no real plan to stop such abuses other than subcontracting police services out to the OCSD — a plan on which they had not campaigned and that didn’t show much likelihood of actually solving the problem.

    So, now, a new bipartisan Council majority is in place and a new permanent Police Chief (who at least offers ideas for improving policing and seems well aware that the FDP can’t continue to rack up the butcher’s bill it did in the past) has finally been hired. There’s legitimate basis to hope for improvements. That should include a good settlement in cases such as Veth Mam’s, real learning from the wrongful acts that we see on video, and better officer training and supervision. Critics such as we see here could choose to contribute productively to such if they chose to do so — but I don’t see that here.

    Instead, I see insults, sniping, back-slapping and grim celebration of the supposed impending bankruptcy of the City. Why? Because preventing this sort of excessive use of force by police was never actually the main driver of the politics for most people here. They want to break the public unions and to renege on pension obligations — and focusing on police misconduct was mostly just a convenient way to work towards that end. (It worked once — and it almost worked twice.)

    The day that the professions of concern over the treatment of Kelly Thomas turned into anti-homeless NIMBYism here (with some honorable exceptions) was the day that everyone could see that Kelly Thomas was primarily — not exclusively, but primarily — just a vehicle for anti-government ideology. It did not have to be that way, but FFFF’s true agenda always determined its reactions — with, again, some honorable exceptions, many of whom seem to have stopped writing here.

  9. #9 by skellitons of FPD past on February 3, 2013

    It seems like McKinnley should foot some of the bill for his part in the mismanaged department………….. It’s interesting to note the last words he spoke in public office sompthing to the effect .” I didn’t do to well city council but I sure enjoyed being chief! “

  10. #10 by bob on February 3, 2013

    If the well has run dry, it SURE ain`t from all the road repairs they`ve done!!!!!! And that`s just ONE thing that is in dire need!!!! Good ol Fullerton, is in need of SO MUCH street repair, it`s sickening!! I live in Placentia, and they are on top of their streets, to keep them nice, all the time, even the residential streets, never mind the highly traveled ones!! You can just see & feel the difference in the roads, where Placentia ends, & Fullerton starts!! Other boundries too!!!! In much of the areas of Orangethorpe, on Yorba Linda Blvd., and MANY other areas, the roads are crap!!!! But,…. ”the well is dry, ” ( if even true ), and we just cannot imagine WHY that MIGHT be, huh??? All ”government cries how broke they are”, yet spend XTRA, WASTED $$$ on extra ”design” work, along the sides of our freeways, and underpasses, which is ”so badly needed”, right?? And many other meaningless & useless things!! While our Fullerton roads, are a ”car alignment” waitng for us!!!! How about ”Villarigosa” in L.A., and all the other” higher-ups”, ….everywhere in ” government”, and ESPECIALLY good ol Fullerton, ALL taking a good- sized ”PAYCUT”, and with ALL THAT $$$, we could do a lot of important, needed things, PLUS even get a good start at filling up the well again!!! ( doubt it`s even NEAR empty tho, they ALL cry that, then spend …”OUR MONEY” on lawsuits, and useless things. IF ”Fullerton” had a police force that was trained fairly, decently, and just plain HONEST & RIGHT, there would be a LOT LESS lawsuits, and that alone would save millions!!!!! But, when cops are allowed to do whatever they WANT, and departments are so abundant with ”BAD COPS”, what does one expect???!!! They can get away with anything, and are most always,..”backed- up”, cuz they are ”cops”, and can do no wrong !!!! Are there SOME good ones?, yes, of course, as with ANY proffession, and with ANYONE!!! Good& bad are everywhere, but we need to ”WEED- OUT” the bad, as much as humanly possible,… and ABSOLUTELY, in law enforcement!!!! Let THEM too, take pay cuts, along with all ”higher- ups”, ( everywhere), and it won`t hurt them to live on less, like millions of the rest of us!!!!!!

  11. #11 by Digging for clues & the truth on February 3, 2013

    Greg Diamond fancies himself a self appointed judge of the intentions and motives of reform minded Fullertonians. He reflexively defends public employees and their union goons by blaming the victims and diverting every argument into a black hole of unaccountability. He is nothing more than a partisan hack and apologist for status quo elitism. Now it seems that he even wants to pose as someone who really cares about the homeless problem. Problem is that the partisans that he hacks for do not consider homelessness a problem, but more as an endless source of clients for overpaid overpensioned public employee bureaucrats. Once again proving that like the FPD, the REAL threat is anything that could cause instability for the gatekeepers of the status quo in Fullerton.

  12. #12 by GregDiamondisahorse'sass on February 3, 2013

    That no one listens to because of his obvious self-serving biases.

  13. #13 by cg on February 3, 2013

    Just looking for someone to Blame for our problems. So I am going go blame the FPD, Public Unions, the passed and present City Council, the 52 bars in down town Fullerton, and Chevron. Boy, do I feel better. And I would like to thank Greg for not living in Fullerton….

  14. #14 by Joe'sitchyvagina on February 3, 2013

    What, as opposed to the 4F Mafia’s self-serving biases? Glad to see you finally awakened from your post-election fist fucking! Do the world a favor and eat shit and die!

  15. #15 by Greg Diamond on February 3, 2013

    Dear chickenshit,

    FFFF is hardly a forum where one ought to complain about people being “self appointed judge of the intentions and motives” of others, at least not with a straight face.

    I’m not posing as someone who cares about the homeless problem. I have a track record of caring about it. I wish that I could devote more time and effort to the issue, with my dedicated friends at Occupy Santa Ana and the circle around local activist and expert Dwight Smith. I look forward to helping activists in my party form coalitions with such people, as I’ve got a foot planted in each camp.

    I and other activists would love for homelessness not to be a problem at all. We have other issues (foreclosure, racial acrimony, violence, pollution) that we could pursue. Your anonymous claim is the sort of thing that excuses your own lack of activism and honest sympathy by imputing that onto people like me. Well, sorry to disappoint you, chickenshit, but I an those around me Do care about this problem.

  16. #16 by Greg Diamond on February 3, 2013

    You’re welcome. And your welcome for my shopping there, too.

  17. #17 by cg on February 3, 2013

    Greg, while you were typing, I think you dropped a cheetos in your bean bag…..

  18. #18 by Greg Diamond on February 3, 2013

    I believe that you do think that. Thanks for sharing.

  19. #19 by The Fullerton Harpoon on February 3, 2013

    Thanks for the enlightened official FPOA response.

  20. #20 by Peaches on February 3, 2013

    they *may* have insurance above the self-insured amount, but the self-insured amount is primary and any insurer has the choice of refusing to pay anything once the self-insurance is exhausted.

    I know that Fullerton used to have insurance above the self-insurance amount; that may have changed. They still are a member of a multi-agency insurance pool that functions as a secondary insurer.

  21. #21 by Peaches on February 3, 2013

    Yes, they do participate in the insurance pool’s liability program (see the 02-05 agenda item about appointing a rep to the ICRMA). A check of ICRMA’s pooled liability shows the following:

    1. First (primary layer) is the self-insured retention ($500K for Fullerton)
    2. Second is ICRMA (up to several million)
    3. Above that are three insurance companies:
    Argonaut
    Torus
    Score Re

  22. #22 by cg on February 3, 2013

    So it looks like most of the boo boos will be covered?

  23. #23 by Peaches on February 3, 2013

    Fullerton’s on the hook for the $500K based on their own decisions; anything more depends upon what ICRMA and/or the other insurers above ICRMA decide

  24. #24 by cg on February 3, 2013

    Is that based on yearly or all? Since we have several law suits outstanding that have not gone to court. 3 alone on the FPD. And then there is Chevron sittin on our back door.

  25. #25 by Grog Dermend on February 3, 2013

    I made head hit go owie when I fell. FFFF is racist. Take a look. It’s in a book. A Reading Rainbow.

  26. #26 by Look around on February 3, 2013

    And to “Greg in the sky with Diamonds” when was the last time you sat and talked to a homeless man or woman? Talking in a room filled with so called do-gooders doesn’t take into consideration the very people they purport to help and their opinions.
    And yes you do not live in Fullerton so what is happening in your lovely town of Brea?

  27. #27 by cg on February 3, 2013

    “FFFF is racist” I guess I need to ask “When”……It’s Yorba Linda that is having problems with that issue.

  28. #28 by Simmons on February 3, 2013

    You are over simplifying the problem in Fullerton and will Kelly Thomas.

    What happened to Kelly Thomas was not an aberration or a “tragic accident”; it was the predictable result of a police department, or a band of thugs, that lacked honor and integrity and believed themselves above the law.

    The documented culture of corruption of the FPD proves such to be true. Such “evil” did not evolve in a vacuum. Those over the FPD and the police union are to blame for the FPD de-evolving into the shameful organization that beat Kelly Thomas to death.

    The obscene compensation including pension of FPD and city government officials represents even more evidence of FPD and city government corruption. The illegal water tax and the refusal to return same is yet more evidence of such corruption which stems from the belief that one is better than another; i.e. Elitists.

    Fighting the arrogance and corruption of the FPD and Fullerton government, including the pay and pension issues, is the same as fighting for Kelly Thomas and all those people FPD would murder in the future.

  29. #29 by Gin Flurry on February 3, 2013

    Tha’ man iz a dam foo.’ Dun tawk a him.

  30. #30 by Fred Alcazar on February 3, 2013

    Brea is about to implode. No more corporate communism, no more dishing off unfunded cop pension liability on Yorba Linda.

    Soon “Diamond” will relocate to a one-bedroom apartment in another hapless burg. My guess is San Bernadino or Stockton, followed by a name change and another failed run for office.

  31. #31 by Fred Alcazar on February 3, 2013

    The Walmart’s in Anaheim.

  32. #32 by cg on February 3, 2013

    You make me laugh Fred!!!! I was trying really hard not to respond to Greg. But he stands for everything I hate.

  33. #33 by Steve Brow on February 3, 2013

    I’m confusezed, Greg. I understand that Fullerton is putting its trust in Dan Hughes as the correction to the FPD old guard, but no one has told me why.

    He seems to be the next in line from the old guard, the most immediate in daily control in the old guard, and the protector of many of the bad charactors from the old guard.

    Plus, it is promised that questions in the upcoming trial will use the stragegy of exposing Hughes as the key progenitor of the old guard.

    What claims have been made by Hughes that things will be different and why has the Fullerton leadership believed the claims?

  34. #34 by More Harmless Homeless on February 3, 2013

    http://www.dailypilot.com/news/tn-dpt-0201-transient-stabbing-20130131,0,2499562.story

    January 31, 2013 | 10:16 a.m.

    A homeless man suffered minor injuries after another homeless man stabbed him in the back Thursday morning, police said.

    The stabbing took place in the parking lot of the Costa Mesa DMV at 650 W. 19th St., according to Costa Mesa Police Det. Sgt. Ed Everett.

    The victim was taken to Western Medical Center in Santa Ana and is expected to survive, Everett said.

  35. #35 by Grog Dermend on February 3, 2013

    cg thanks for proving my grandiose erudite supported conjecture that you are indeed a racist. Take a look. It’s in a book. A Reading Rainbow.

  36. #36 by Greg Diamond on February 3, 2013

    I don’t shop at Walmart, “Fred.” I shop at Costco a lot, though. Not for their hot dogs, though.

  37. #37 by Greg Diamond on February 4, 2013

    I stand for “everything you hate”? That’s one hell of a responsibility. My standing for proper grammar is exhausting all by itself.

  38. #38 by Greg Diamond on February 4, 2013

    Who said that satire is dead?

  39. #39 by Greg Diamond on February 4, 2013

    No, actually we’re probably going to move from a 3-bedroom to a 4-bedroom when my grandson arrives. And we’ll probably stay in Brea because of the high school.

    For all that, though, that stab in the dark was probably more accurate than your first prediction above. Brea is “about to implode”? Buy a truss, cinch it up, and post that prediction in expanded form under your own name, “Fred,” so that you can be held accountable as a pundit for at least this one bit of your blathering.

    If you did so, I’d deliver it to the City Council for you personally, but they’d want to know who should be credited for it — I’m not taking the fall for your claptrap. Deal?

  40. #40 by Greg Diamond on February 4, 2013

    Your policy lesson being? (Be sure to stipulate a funding mechanism for your plan.)

  41. #41 by Greg Diamond on February 4, 2013

    I think it was October. Why? And what about you?

    (They actually would like socks, you know. Sharon wasn’t kidding about that, despite how people made fun of her here.)

    Brea is quite well-run, mostly by Republicans with whom I can disagree without fearing, because they’re neither like the Jones/Bankhead majority nor the Whitaker/Kiger majority. Aside from where I live and where my daughter attends school (and my grandson will probably do the same), I have more ties to Fullerton than Brea. I like both cities, though.

  42. #42 by Fred Alcazar on February 4, 2013

    “Greg” I got the idea from somewhere that you were too dumb to know what city you were in.

  43. #43 by Joe Sipowicz on February 4, 2013

    This post is about Fullerton’s civil liability fund. I know it’s hard for a gasbag like you to stay on topic but please give it a better effort.

  44. #44 by Brea Lessons on February 4, 2013

    As was stated earlier, your repuglican pals in Brea created a crony-capitalist Valhalla and overextended the reach of its own cop force. Yorba Linda walked away from the monstrous 3@50 retroactive pension unfunded liability and left Brea property owners – not you, of course – holding the bag.

    But you are too dumb or ignorant to know it. Or maybe you see it as the thin end of the wedge for your Occupoopers millennial revolution.

    P.S. Except for this blog you don’t appear to have any ties to Fullerton at all.

  45. #45 by Fred Alcazar on February 4, 2013

    “Diamond” knows even less about Brea than he does Fullerton. And that’s saying a lot.

  46. #46 by Salvador Dali on February 4, 2013

    CG, nobody gives a fuck about what you hate.

  47. #47 by GregDiamondisahorse'sass on February 4, 2013

    Did you know that Salvador Dali was a necrophiliac?

    This would help explain why you fancy Greg Diamond so much.

  48. #48 by Salvador Dali on February 4, 2013

    Oh, that’s a great explanation. No wonder Fullerton is so fucked up.

  49. #49 by MICKEY HALLER on February 4, 2013

    The City of Fullerton is very well padded. They have always been conservative with thier money that is why they are not worring. And they are not worrring about Ron Thomas either. His wife already got 1mil. So Thomas is not getting as much as he thinks he is. The money goes to the family and Ron and his wife are his family. When law suits are settled the family as a whole gets the money it isnt divided up to eveyone. So dont expect millions Ronnie.

  50. #50 by GregDiamondisahorse'sass on February 4, 2013

    Just pointing out that you’re blogging under an individual’s name who fancies having sex with dead people.

    No need to get nasty.

  51. #51 by Lifesaving Service on February 4, 2013

    Published: Feb. 4, 2013 Updated: 10:41 a.m.
    Couple found dead in Irvine parking lot ID’d
    (Cal State University Fullerton Assistant Basketball Coach)
    (Linking because in Irvine this never happens)

    “…No arrests had been made as of Monday morning.
    Lawrence and Quan were graduates of Concordia University, and Quan worked for Cal State Fullerton, Engen said.
    The couple shared a love of basketball and both played for Concordia teams during their time as students.
    For the last two years, Quan had served as assistant coach for the women’s basketball team at Cal State Fullerton.
    On Monday, university spokeswoman Paula Selleck said counselors would be working with staff and student athletes…”
    http://www.ocregister.com/news/car-479026-couple-inside.html

  52. #52 by van get it da artiste on February 4, 2013

    from Mid-November 2008 Fullerton Observer
    “As we
    came to know Pat we found he was very
    patient and diplomatic. He is really
    good at finding common ground
    between people with diverse perspectives,
    helping them understand each
    other,” said OCHR executive director
    Rusty Kennedy.
    In 1999 and again in 2008, Rusty Kennedy’s Orange County Human Relations Commission gave Pat McKinley and his police force an award for fullerton Police Force’s “exemplary” community-police relations.
    Pat Mckinley retired from his role as Fullerton’s police chief only to enter politicis and get elected to the fullerton city council in 2009. He was recalled in 2012.
    As a fullerton city council person, McKinley was aware his own police force had violated the civil rights of :Veth Nam, Trevor Clarke, Edward Quinonez, Kelly thomas.
    McKinley’s response to the Kelly thomas beating death was to call in his colleague from the Orange County Human Relations Commission, Rusty Kennedy, to assuage the righteous outrage of Fullerton’s community over the fact their police force beat to death a malnourished, homeless man.
    Rusty Kennedy’s solution was to organize “mind-mixers” where select members of Fullerton’s community would find a way to decrease homelessness in Fullerton, offer sensitivity training to Fullerton PD.
    What is wrong with this picture?

  53. #53 by Lifesaving Service on February 4, 2013

    To Psychopaths deception and distractions are probably better than sex.

  54. #54 by Lifesaving Service on February 4, 2013

    “Just like 8.8 million people collecting Disability Benefits under false pretenses”
    (out of about 300 million)

    34% of every government dollar spent goes to waste, fraud and abuse.

  55. #55 by Greg Diamond on February 4, 2013

    Fighting the arrogance and corruption of the FPD and Fullerton government, including the pay and pension issues, is the same as fighting for Kelly Thomas and all those people FPD would murder in the future.

    Thank you for stating your position so clearly. I think that your position is close to insane, but I’m happy for others to be able to evaluate a clearly stated version of it.

  56. #56 by Lifesaving Service on February 4, 2013

    8.8 million is a lot considering there are young, old, care givers, and the disabled. (and many organizations just like FPD and Fullerton CA leadership)

  57. #57 by Greg Diamond on February 4, 2013

    Those are fair and good questions for you to ask, Steve, and those on my side should be prepared to answer them.

    I disagree with your assessment of Hughes. I admit up front that I could be wrong and I reserve the right to change my opinion in light of new evidence, but I think that there’s a major generational and philosophical difference between Hughes and the trio of former Council members. In part, Hughes better seems to understand the dangers to the FPD and the need to prevent future tragedies. In any event, I don’t see him as being worse in this respect than Bill Hunt or the OCSD leadership, which were the other options offered.

  58. #58 by Greg Diamond on February 4, 2013

    Maybe you ought to explain that one.

  59. #59 by Greg Diamond on February 4, 2013

    Well, “Fred,” you believe a lot of crazy things, so I’ll accept your apology.

  60. #60 by Greg Diamond on February 4, 2013

    Yeah, how *did* we get off topic here? My first reply was on topic; I then responded to a personal attack. Maybe you should be complaining to someone else about threadjacking.

  61. #61 by Greg Diamond on February 4, 2013

    Yeah, yeah. And, as I recall, the Yorba Linda City Council majority that did that is no longer a majority, from what I hear due to voter regret over taking the pig in a poke offered by the OCSD. So Brea’s problem is that Yorba Linda temporarily had a foolish Council majority — much like Fullerton.

    Property taxes are passed on to renters, masked man — much as are water bills.

    I’ll discuss my ties to fullerton with someone with a name.

  62. #62 by Greg Diamond on February 4, 2013

    Yeah — which of us was right about the elections, “Fred”?

  63. #63 by simmons on February 4, 2013

    Greg Diamond :

    Fighting the arrogance and corruption of the FPD and Fullerton government, including the pay and pension issues, is the same as fighting for Kelly Thomas and all those people FPD would murder in the future.

    Thank you for stating your position so clearly. I think that your position is close to insane, but I’m happy for others to be able to evaluate a clearly stated version of it.

    Good. I am much more sure of my position now because all you do is say such position is “close to insane”. Such is not a counter argument or an logical argument opposing the thought. Nothing of substance at all in your response.

    Which means to me that you have nothing of substance to effectively counter the point.

  64. #64 by Salvador Dali on February 4, 2013

    GregDiamondisahorse’sass :
    Just pointing out that you’re blogging under an individual’s name who fancies having sex with dead people.
    No need to get nasty.

    Is that something you keep track of? Are you looking for a support group?

  65. #65 by Someone Who Knows on February 4, 2013

    Maybe if Ron settles out of court. Brave statement if it goes to jury trial.

  66. #66 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 4, 2013

    Comment from,
    http://www.calwatchdog.com/2011/07/29/fbi-investigates-cop-killing-in-fullerton/

    Steven Greenhut says:

    “…FFFF is doing a public service. In my reportings on police beatings and killings, the official sources and “police can do no wrong” types cover up and protect one another. Only an outraged public can counteract these kinds of abuses. I recall once when OC DA Tony Rackauckas revealed that internal affairs had coached witnesses, lied and covered up wrongdoing by fellow deputies, he still decided not to prosecute any of these official miscreants, who know they can get away with awful behavior. Police are rarely prosecuted for on-the-job abuses, so the idea that critics want a firing squad is typical union hyperbole. A little accountability is all we want…”

    Its always “Them vs them” an age old dark ungodly world!!! :)

  67. #67 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 4, 2013

    Steven Greenhut says:

    “…Keep da Peace,
    I have never found police officers interested in “justice” when it comes to possible wrongdoing or excessive force by fellow officers. I have found quite the opposite — full on protection, no matter how awful the incident. The only exception is police officers who commit crimes on the job and even then there always are those union members who defend this folks. This idea that the media should shut up until the investigation takes place is absurd. You know darn well that the investigations take a really long time and then they are exempt from the California Public Records Act, which means that none of the details are released until the eventual civil trial. Police agencies often lie/spin what took place. Their goal is to get people to stop paying attention to the event. But you just want us to shut up and believe the authorities. Justice is rarely done in these internal investigations and newspapers and blogs play a vital role in informing the public and stirring debate. FFFF is doing the right thing…”

  68. #68 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 4, 2013

    Mickey always points the wrong way, when there are videos of leadership shitting their pants there is trouble, big media historical type of trouble.

  69. #69 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 4, 2013

    “…My family has been in Law Enforcement since 1871. I spent my adult life as a Police Officer and have personally seen this behavior many many times. Each Police Department has an assigned Internal Affairs Department or person who is tasked to Independently investigate Police conduct. The process is simple.
    1. The incident scene is closed and protected. Forensic Investigation begins under the supervision of IA and an assigned Deputy DA. The Officers are immediately separated and taken to interview rooms. Their equipment and clothing are confiscated. Their Patrol cars are searched and processed. All videos of the incident should be requested from the parties holding them. Under no circumstances should they be “Confiscated”. City video camera footage should be confiscated.
    2. They are advised of their rights and the fact that nothing said to Internal Affairs can be used in Court for Criminal or Civil Litigation therefore as Public Safety Employees “They must tell the entire story truthfully without exception” and can be immediately terminated if they misrepresent a Material Fact. The Police Association Attorney can be present but cannot object to questioning or give advice. If the Officer asks to invoke his 5th Amendment Rights he should be dismissed and then Terminated without Appeal.
    2. The Officers involved should complete their interviews and be advised to remain at home on salary during their shift hours and given a “Direct Order” not to discuss the case with anyone including each other.
    3.An Autopsy should be completed to determine cause of death and forwarded to all parties involved in the Investigation.
    4. After review of all evidence and witness statements the Officers should be either charged or exonerated.
    5. If suspected of wrong doing, it is paramount that the Officers stand trial for the alleged crimes.
    Now The Real World of 2011
    Since 1974 the Federal Government has offered Cities Federal Funds to increase the size of their Police Departments before their tax base could support the growth. The requirement for the money was simple, maximum age 40, no fixed height requirement, no fixed weight requirement, women, men, all races, gay or Lesbian and a minimum GED Diploma. Criminal Records were allowed including prior drug use. Hiring began and the money flowed. This created a quality problem in that for many recruits they had little personal success and nothing to lose if they misbehaved and got in trouble. Just a job that they got very easily. By 1980 Police across the Country started compiling serious misbehavior. Cities were in financial straights from law suits over failure to protect. The Federal Courts stepped in on the Warren Case and stated “Police owe no duty to the Individual Citizen“. This was the new training Mantra. A great job, I can act incompetently, even maliciously and the City and I can’t be sued. A great job, high pay and no responsibility.
    Now with promotions and increased hiring from a sub standard citizen pool, we start to bend the Justice System in half. Instead of Police Departments and Cities investigating and prosecuting Criminal Conduct, they began to become Attorney’s and Protectors of Criminal behavior. If you add in the fact that they have lost control of their departments and can’t afford the litigation payouts you begin to see the corruption. Cops know they now can’t be held accountable. And they can’t. Police prosecutions are almost non existent. A Santa Clara Officer was just convicted for selling police records. This was an offense against his brothers in Blue and that’s why the prosecution. The BART cop who shot a man in the back got the bare minimum sentence and the other involved officers were fired and reinstated. One officer in San Jose molested his daughter on tape and got a minimum sentence. A police Officer murdered his wife, stuck her in a car trunk, tried to collect insurance, then while being chased “Killed Himself”. The Police Department claims it is an unsolved case to protect their image.
    All Police Personnel Records are sealed, all statistics are sealed and no records need be revealed to the citizens. If you do not know the name, date of incident and case number within 30 days there are no records available. This is due to Police Association Lobbying. There is now a solid wall of protection around Police Conduct. Police Officers, City Attorneys, District Attorneys , Police Chiefs and Internal Affairs now work to prepare a defense for their Officers without exception. That’s why the show and tell and rewriting of the Fullerton 6 reports.
    The mentality is now a very structured “Us against Them”. In Santa Clara County they have a new DA, Jeffrey Rosen, (the last one was married to a cop and never prosecuted a single cop) that ran on a ticket that was supported by his claim to be Jewish and understanding the pain of a Nation gone wrong. Well he never reopened a gang rape case as promised, and he just exonerated three Police Murders and his “Exoneration” of one of them was “The Police had to kill him to prevent him from killing himself”. I know you just can’t believe it but that was the reason. The cop that killed that man had rushed into another situation just a few months before and killed another mentally ill person.
    A Police Officer now has the right to kill if he has a fear of being harmed. That fear does not have to be proven, articulated or the same fear a jury would have knowing the facts. It’s his fear and it is self justified. He does not have to put himself at risk by using a taser, Mace or a nightstick. He may go directly to Deadly Force even though there are 10 other policemen standing around watching.
    Old School
    1. Carry a knife or confiscated gun clean and in a plastic bag with you on patrol.
    If you make a mistake, take the weapon out and shake it in the deceased persons coat pocket and drop it near his hand. If a gun it should have been fired at least once before storage.
    New School (Killing Unarmed Persons)
    1. He had his hand in his waist band.
    2. He spun around with his hand in his pocket.
    3. He had a long dangerous criminal history and we were looking for him. (this info is determined after the killing and pretended to be known beforehand)
    4. He had something shiny in his hand.
    5. I only had a split second to make a decision and I was in Fear For My Life.
    Modern School
    1. “Police had to kill him to protect him from killing himself.” Jeffrey Rosen. Yes he was alone in his apartment and no one else was with him, but he might kill himself. I couldn’t wait for a negotiator or my Supervisor , tear gas or a Police Dog. I kicked in the door, rushed him and had to shoot him immediately 6 or 7 times. There were bullet holes, entry and exit, through his armpits, but not because he was surrendering just like in my last justified killing a few months ago. He had a house knife and raised it way over his head to stab me. There were two witnesses, me and him. All records are sealed for everyone.
    How will the Fullerton 6 go down.
    He was a wild and dangerous crazy man with deadly objects within reach. He violently resisted arrest and even tried many times to take guns away from the Officers. He was so powerful that he placed each and every one of us in “Fear of Our Lives”. Each of us were isolated in our self ascertained fear for our lives. If we had not fought for our lives he may have gotten our guns or a deadly object and killed each of us and all of us. We had to hit and hit and stomp and stomp until he stopped moving. We had to tase him and tase him because we all know that crazy people have the strength of ten men and we were out numbered. We hog tied him to prevent him from awaking and killings us. His screams of “I’m Sorry, I’m Sorry and Dad, Dad Dad were just to throw us off so he could kill us.
    DA and Department finding. Videos lie and are vague, fuzzy undependable and are deceiving and to audio record the Police Officers may be a crime without their permission 631-632 PC. Eye witnesses are the worst witnesses you can possibly depend on and the Officers were in fear of their lives. They were in a death struggle. We regret this situation involving our up standing Officers who tried to do their jobs and save their lives. Would you take $900,000.00 dollars to shut up and go away?
    So what will happen, well it happened from 1967-1973. Look at the Police Killings (including my uncle due to his beat partner’s history of violence with juveniles) during those years and who committed them.Presently, 16 Police Officers still on Oakland PD have shot and killed 40 people in the last few years. One black man killed four of them. Having nothing to do with the Kelly case, two men drove up to a Patrol Car and Shotgunned the officer in San Diego last week. The cops hunted them down and took no prisoners as happened in Tacoma, Washington State and again in Seattle.Five Officers dead and a murderous hunt down and ambush of the killer.Strap in and be prepared for a rough ride like the “King Case”.Everything will be done by Government to beat the wrap. Kelly’s father was offered immediately $900,000.00 of TAXPAYERS MONEY, not their money to go away and be quiet because his son really didn’t have any social value?????????????????
    First they came for the Jews,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the communists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.
    Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
    Jack Slade…”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Same link as my above

  70. #70 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 4, 2013

  71. #71 by Anonymous on February 4, 2013

    Wrong again, Dimebag. Your town is screwed. of course, as usual, you have zero skin in the game. You can just move to another two-bedroom apartment in some other city.

  72. #72 by Fred Alcaraz on February 4, 2013

    You really are an idiot “Greg.”

    Of course YL will make a brand new contract with Brea that picks up tens of millions in unfunded pension liability. Tell us another fable, Aesop.

    Hahahahaha! Dope.

  73. #73 by GregDiamondisahorse'sass on February 4, 2013

    Your the one that chose to blog under the name of “Salvador Dali” who was a known necrophiliac.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aowSGxim_O8

  74. #74 by Spectator on February 4, 2013

    Office of Sadistic Review :
    Mickey always points the wrong way, when there are videos of leadership shitting their pants there is trouble, big media historical type of trouble.

    Where is the video? Or did you make that up?

  75. #75 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 4, 2013

    GET REAL!!!!!!

  76. #76 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 4, 2013

    Major Network News!!!

  77. #77 by Spectator on February 4, 2013

    You are surely a sadistic moron. You are pretty vague who you are taking about. It’s not Fullerton cause there was nothing ever in the news. I didn’t see no one shitting their pants like you would like to see. The only that shit his pants was Kelly.

  78. #78 by Spectator on February 4, 2013

    Maybe you should move Tennesse cause those thugs were not from there. Stop wasting our time.

  79. #79 by Fullerton Lover on February 4, 2013

    Here’s some local fodder that you might have missed in the local fish wraps like the OC Regurgitator to hold you over until the FPD gang goes on trial soon.

    http://policethugs.com/ex-police-officer-pleads-guilty-to-stealing-more-than-60k/

  80. #80 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 4, 2013

    Im actually very sweet.

  81. #81 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 4, 2013

    What you own is a puking, sickening, financially fallen, sadistic crumbling house of cards. The most commented news story weve ever seen. :(

  82. #82 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 4, 2013

    You trolls are very new to this fancy internet thing and the whole fellow man thing, its obvious. Private bible study instructions would be awesome for you?

  83. #83 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 4, 2013

    When Americans are polled Injustice is at the very top of the list, get with the rest of the Country.

    “Truth justice and the American way”

    “PEACE!!!”

  84. #84 by Fred Alcazar on February 4, 2013

    Yes, Danny has quite a bald knob. Too bad he will be shining Trevor Clarke’s!!

  85. #85 by Steve Brow on February 4, 2013

    You seem to be offering the lesser of evils arguement, and I can accept that. Since high school I have been aware that there is an inherent evil side to police work.

    Your response seems to re-enforce my point. Fullerton seems to be going with Hughes because it has to go on. I have read no dissertation of what a good choice Hughes is and a lot of questions remain about him. Furthermore, POBR probably legally prevents the answering of many of those questions.

    So under the secrecy of POBR, Fullerton is going on with a wing and a prayer. These are not the principles of good government that I learned growing up in Fullerton on the political left, and these are not the principles of good government that I adhere to now that I am a right wing wacko.

  86. #86 by Steve Brow on February 4, 2013

    Perhaps what is wrong is that the methodology that my mother was using in 1958 in the fair housing movement has been expanded into situations to which the mehodology has no relevance.

  87. #87 by Steve Brow on February 4, 2013

    If the courts say that the police owe no duty to the individual citizen, what duty do the courts say the individual citizen owes to the police?

  88. #88 by Fullerton Lover on February 4, 2013

    Hey Mick I think you may need a little reminder as to what the city of Fullerton is going to try and be defending in civil court before you start calculating what the residents of Fullerton are going to be paying out to Kelly’s father.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWiL2QgvNZ4

    I also think that it’s short-sighted of the residents of Fullerton to be issuing bonds out for future settlements to victims of the FPD, when they’ve received zero co-operation from the new Police Chief to make the departments operations and customer service/performance more transparent to the public.

    Trust…but verify.

  89. #89 by Lifesaving Service on February 4, 2013

    Spectator :
    Maybe you should move Tennesse cause those thugs were not from there. Stop wasting our time.

    Office of Sadistic Review :
    http://policethugs.com/

    Spectator :
    Maybe you should move Tennesse cause those thugs were not from there. Stop wasting our time.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    California list on Policethugs.com

    http://policethugs.com/?s=California

  90. #90 by Lifesaving Service on February 4, 2013

    Spectator :
    Maybe you should move Tennesse cause those thugs were not from there. Stop wasting our time.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    California list on Policethugs.com

    http://policethugs.com/?s=California

  91. #91 by Lifesaving Service on February 4, 2013

    California Police Officers Face Murder and Manslaughter Charges For Beating Death Of Mentally Ill Homeless Man

    PT link needs adult sign in,
    1200 Comments 33 Mins.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6yaeD-E_MY

    http://policethugs.com/page/4/?s=California

  92. #92 by Lifesaving Service on February 4, 2013

    Lifesaving Service :
    California Police Officers Face Murder and Manslaughter Charges For Beating Death Of Mentally Ill Homeless Man
    PT link needs adult sign in,
    1200 Comments 33 Mins.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6yaeD-E_MY
    http://policethugs.com/page/4/?s=California

  93. #93 by Anonymous on February 5, 2013

    So how many times are they going to change the story and make it juicier. Sure sells a lot of newspapers.

  94. #94 by van get it da artiste on February 5, 2013

    Steve, in 2008 rusty Kennedy and his commission again awarded Fullerton Police Chief Pat McKinley for his police force’s “exemplary” police-community relations. This was the same year female detaineees were being sexually molested in police squad cars by Fullerton police officers.
    Rusty Kennedy’s commission is a tax funded, county agency whose mission statement is act as a “clearinghouse” and “mediator” for civil rights abuses committed against OC’s communities by their respective law enforcement agencies.
    What evidence,criteria, methodology was used to determine Fullerton PD had “exemplary” police-community relations? My guess is the same criteria Rusty’s commission uses to quantify his annual hate crime report which is none.
    My gut feeling is Rusty Kenendy’s Orange County Human Relations Commission only functions as positive spin for his fellow government bureaucracies.
    Not once has Rusty Kennedy and his commission ever publically admitted the beating death of kelly thomas by Fullerton PD was a hate crime when this was a hate crime as defined by the law.
    I believe Rusty Kennedy runs interference between OC law enforcemement agencies’ civil rights abuses against the community and the community.
    Why would Rusty hand out police -community awards to Fullerton Police Department who were abusing the civil rights of Fullerton’s community.

  95. #95 by Reality is....not ron on February 5, 2013

    Hey where is my money? I have been running around whilst garo buys the pacific palisades property to put his new cars, did you know that folks Garo and Fred have already purchased property to put his new cars. Where is my money you stupid fullertonians, where is my money?

  96. #96 by Someone Who Knows on February 5, 2013

    The courts have said that a citizen may resist an unlawful arrest.

  97. #97 by Year-Round Emergency Shelter and Multi-Service Center Update on February 5, 2013

    The County will make a presentation before the Fullerton City Council on February 19, 2013. The County is also making arrangements to hold a public meeting to discuss this project. That meeting date will be announced as soon as it is confirmed.

    In advance of upcoming presentations, meetings, and the development of a management plan, the following provides some preliminary details about the proposed Shelter and Multi-Service Center:

    The Shelter will be owned by the County of Orange and operated by a nonprofit contractor. The nonprofit contractor will be contractually required to operate the facility in compliance with the County’s good neighbor policy which requires collaboration with the City of Fullerton, residents, businesses, and other stakeholders regarding shelter operation and provision of services.

    The facility will be designed to provide emergency shelter for homeless individuals and their families. It will also provide a wide variety of multi-disciplinary services designed to successfully transition clients from homelessness to permanent housing.

    In addition to assisting those who are already homeless, the multi-service center will provide homeless prevention services and support to assist homeless families and individuals that are at-risk of losing their housing due to unforeseen circumstances.

    The proposed shelter and multi-service center will replace the existing shelter at Brookhurst and Valencia which has approximately 200 beds. Design features, including the number of beds, types of services, requirements for services, and collaborative partners will be determined at a future date through the County’s contractor selection process.

    The facility will be staffed by the contracted operator 24 hours a day / 7 days a week.

    The facility will have 24 hour a day / 7 day a week security. Security plans will be coordinated with the Fullerton Police Department and the County of Orange.

    The facility will be managed by the contracted operator in collaboration with various collaborative partners including but not limited to, multiple County Agencies, other nonprofit service providers, and local churches to coordinate services offered to the homeless and at-risk community.

    http://www.cityoffullerton.com/news/displaynews.asp?NewsID=1553

  98. #98 by Mike Wagner on February 5, 2013

    “Good neighbor policy”!!!!!????

    Is that supposed to be some sort of bad joke??

  99. #99 by Peaches on February 5, 2013

    Yet again, the meeting is not being broadcast on TV feed… Not good!

  100. #100 by cg on February 5, 2013

    Peaches, I have it online….

  101. #101 by Boadicea on February 5, 2013

    So do I; the point is that (according to the City website) only Fullerton TWC subscribers can receive TV feed – that disenfranchises those residents who have Dish, DirecTV or U-
    Verse (the latter is where I was able to watch the meetings prior to the last meeting)

  102. #102 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 5, 2013

    They are trying to get more Torture Bond Money, approved at the Council Meeting now.

  103. #103 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 5, 2013

    Big lesson here,
    torture sprees are very expensive,

    Amateur Local Government cover ups in a murder case is not a good idea. (“BAD DEEDS MONIES” are the most followed and watched)

    Almost all criminals get into trouble when they move up to murder.

  104. #104 by truthseeker on February 5, 2013

    For the same dark reason that Obama was give the Nobel Peace Prize as he was running a bunch of wars. Now its all Orwellian doublespeak hidden in plain view in our faces. The solution they have for us?-Have another beer, cheeseburger and sit down and shut up and watch the ball game like a real man! Yeah!!! Not!

  105. #105 by Steve Brow on February 5, 2013

    Let me clarify in the overview. Civil rights in 1776 were considered individual rights. As time went on, civil rights issues were often defined as class rights issues. Slavery was abolished, women got the vote, segregation was abolished, housing restrictions were put aside, and now the whole gay rights thing.

    In the 1950′s and 1960′s my family came to fame (and fortune?) in the fair housing issue. Rusty and I were raised on civil rights as a class issue. These issues gave rise to Rusty’s career. If Kelly Thomas exemplifies a member of a class of homeless being mistreated by the police at large or by society at large, then Rusty would be right on top of things as an expert in civil rights as a class issue.

    If however, Kelly Thomas is an issue of a person being denied his civil rights not as a member of a class but as an individual, then that is not Rusty’s forte. If Kelly Thomas died as a result of criminal misconduct by one or more police officers, then the situation is way outside of Rusty’s perview and belongs in the criminal justice system, of which Rusty is not part.

  106. #106 by Anonymous on February 5, 2013

    What the hell was R.D. talking about at the city council meeting. He had everyone confused even Flory and Fitzgerald…and me!

  107. #107 by MICKEY HALLER on February 6, 2013

    Sadist and lover, you are going to be very disappointed.

  108. #108 by Stanley Fiala on February 6, 2013

    “Which means to me that you have nothing of substance to effectively counter the point”……… Hmmmmm

    And who said that he ever had.

  109. #109 by Stanley Fiala on February 6, 2013

    “He reflexively defends public employees and their union goons by blaming the victims and diverting every argument into a black hole of unaccountability.”…….. Hmmmmm

    Is there a typo? ….. did you meant “ass hole” in lieu of the “black hole”?

  110. #110 by Stanley Fiala on February 6, 2013

    “No, actually we’re probably going to move from a 3-bedroom to a 4-bedroom when my grandson arrives”……… Hmmmmm

    So now you will exploit your grandson to pay for your 4 bedrooms.

    A classical Golem behavior.

  111. #111 by van get it da artiste on February 6, 2013

    “The Shelter will be owned by the County of Orange and operated by a nonprofit contractor. The nonprofit contractor will be contractually required to operate the facility in compliance with the County’s good”
    The Fullerton Collaborative owned. operated by Pam Keller?

  112. #112 by van get it da artiste on February 6, 2013

    “Orwellian double-speak” equates to “this and that” because both mean empty words spoken with gravity.
    what truly is sickening about publically lauding a police department for “exemplary” community-police relations when this same police force systematically abused the civil rights of its community is it protects the corruption that culminated in the horrific beating death of a homeless, malnourished, schizophrenic man.
    If Rusty Kenendy’s commission knew Fullerton PD was an “exemplary” police force, how could this same commission not be aware of the sexual molestation of female detainees by fullerton police officers?

  113. #113 by van get it da artiste on February 6, 2013

    “If however, Kelly Thomas is an issue of a person being denied his civil rights not as a member of a class but as an individual, then that is not Rusty’s forte. If Kelly Thomas died as a result of criminal misconduct by one or more police officers, then the situation is way outside of Rusty’s perview and belongs in the criminal justice system, of which Rusty is not part.”
    Veth Nam(?), Trevor Clarke, Edward Quinonez, Gochener, the women who successfully sued city of Fullerton due to Fullerton police officers sexually molesting them while in custody in 2008, the same year rusty awarded fullerton PD for its exemplary community -police relations, are just the “tip of the iceberg” incidents that show systematic civil rights abuses committed by fullerton PD.
    As I said on earlier posts, the theory of spontaneous generation was disproven centuries ago.
    Ramos, Cicinelli, Wolfe beating to death Kelly Thomas was not an aberrrant occurance. It revealed Fullerton PD’s “culture of corruption” that the good people of fullerton did not know existed until the FFFF refused to let the truth about kelly thomas death be hidden by bright , shiny awards to the Fullerton PD from Rusty kennedy and his Orange County Human Relations Commission.

  114. #114 by van get it da artiste on February 6, 2013

    simply put, Steve, if Rusty’s commission knew Fullerton PD had an exemplary police-community relations, how did rusty not know this same police force was abusing the civil rights of fullerton’s community?
    After all, rusty’s commission mission is to act as a “clearinghouse” and “mediator” for OC communities’ complaints of civil rights abuses committed against them by their respective law enforcement agencies.
    what is especially perplexing about this scenario is the fact that Fullerton Police Chief Pat Mckinley, the same police chief named in Ron Thomas, father of kelly thomas, wrongful death lawsuit, served on Rusty’s commission as a board member.
    Steve, what are your thoughts on those facts?

  115. #115 by Angelo on February 6, 2013

    HA HA HA
    EXPLOITIVE PENSION PLANS AND THERES NO MONEY TO PAY FOR CIVIL SUITS.
    TAKE THE SETTLEMENTS FROM THE CORRUPT COP PENSION FUND.
    HE HE HE

  116. #116 by Fullerton Lover on February 6, 2013

    He was referring to the one of the hugest bootlickers at the City Council meetings named “John Murray”.

    He’s listed as a “friend” on Jab Flory’s Facebook account if you need to see a face to associate the name.

  117. #117 by Jurnalist on February 6, 2013

    Greg Diamond :I think it was October. Why? And what about you?
    (They actually would like socks, you know. Sharon wasn’t kidding about that, despite how people made fun of her here.)
    Brea is quite well-run, mostly by Republicans with whom I can disagree without fearing, because they’re neither like the Jones/Bankhead majority nor the Whitaker/Kiger majority. Aside from where I live and where my daughter attends school (and my grandson will probably do the same), I have more ties to Fullerton than Brea. I like both cities, though.

    I can tell you, you are not well liked anywhere. Please please please go away. Isnt there some money or food somewhere you can go poach, all the while pontificating about how great you are, surely there is a deaf school that would love to have you. The kids havent seen a baboon in a while, let them be your audience.

  118. #118 by Fullerton Lover on February 6, 2013

    As long as justice is served I won’t be disappointed.

  119. #119 by Jurnalist on February 6, 2013

    I wanted to thank all the homeowners of Fullerton. You are going to foot the bill for this nightmare. YOU are. You are going to pad the wallets of some very ungrateful city employees past and present. They treat you like shit, they reufse to have decent teachers, pay the city clerk 176 thou a year, and you homeowners are paying for it, while you loose your jobs, and your earnings, they get richer at your expense. Thanks for paying for that. Thanks for paying the Police dpt that is run by a union, that pays whilst it plays, at your expense. While you are walled up on saturday night avoiding downtown, you pay for the street sweeper, to clean up the vomit- while Florentine is at home snugglin up in his snuggie, laughin his way to the bank. You pay for that. You, the homeowner that doesnt show up at city council, the one who doesnt show up to water meetings, the one who will be paying the bill, you dont show up- but you better have your check ready , your about to be nailed, with over 400 million in pensions, you have to pay for. Thank you. The 76 million the county was sued to pay back the state, your paying for that. SO- when you get your taxes, and its an insane amount you have to pay. Blame no one but yourselves. People have been warning you for years.

  120. #120 by Fullerton Lover on February 6, 2013

    True that.

  121. #121 by R.D. on February 6, 2013

    I was confused when Floosy stood up for a pervert who was helping her and other in their campaigns. They both lack morals.

  122. #122 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 6, 2013

    They already got and are getting spanked every damn day, anything past murder and abuse charges are unbelievable in this County., this has affected the whole of the U.S. and world. The Media and Blogs are gonna continue this after this century.

    “Follow the Oaths” (now! 2012), -Fullertons Old Guard and Regime.

    “THE PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD!!!”

    “…True, This! —
    Beneath the rule of men entirely great
    The pen is mightier than the sword. Behold
    The arch-enchanters wand! — itself is nothing! —
    But taking sorcery from the master-hand
    To paralyse the Cæsars, and to strike
    The loud earth breathless! — Take away the sword —

    States can be saved without it!
    The play opened at London’s Covent Garden Theatre on 7 March 1839 …” -Wikipedia

  123. #123 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 6, 2013

    “…The pen is mightier than the sword” is a metonymic adage coined by English author Edward Bulwer-Lytton in 1839 for his play Richelieu; Or the Conspiracy.[1][2] The play was about Cardinal Richelieu, though in the author’s words “license with dates and details… has been, though not unsparingly, indulged.”[1] The Cardinal’s line in Act II, scene II, was more fully:[3]…” -Wikipedia

  124. #124 by Fred Alcazar on February 6, 2013

    A pervert? What did he do? He’s a big fan of the FPD so nothing would surprise me.

  125. #125 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 6, 2013

    California lost 2 million. Early during the Great Rescession, the US lost 13 million people.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    “…Duncan Black writes that California succeeded as a high-tax, high-service state but is going to fail as austerity transforms it into a high-tax low-service state.
    I think this gets the relationship between population growth and service mix wrong. When I look at California’s historical population growth trajectory and current real estate dynamics, what I see is a state that managed to provide a high level of public services on a relatively modest tax burden thanks to a rapidly growing population. That works through several mechanisms. One is that if you have a large number of people who move to your state as adults after having gone to school elsewhere, you can maintain a high ratio of currently working taxpayers to kids enrolled in school. Another is that if you have a rapidly growing population, then you have a high ratio of currently working taxpayers to retired public sector workers drawing pensions. Once population growth slows, a much higher share of your public employee compensation is going to retirees who aren’t actually providing any services. Last, a growing population supports a lot of new infrastructure building. Texas, which is the new California in terms of population growth, has excellent roads with low taxes by continually adding to its stock of taxpayers…”

  126. #126 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 6, 2013

    OOPS, California lost 2 million people last year.

  127. #127 by truthseeker on February 6, 2013

    There soon will be no money for the pension funds so they will need to take it from the medical insurance plans.

  128. #128 by O.G. Fullertonian on February 6, 2013

    Hopefully Ron Thomas nails the city with a drawn out trial and massively epic judgement against the city which results in a nasty lien being put on the police department headquarters…I expect my post to be deleted at some point like in the past so this is a test run to see if it happens again…lol

  129. #129 by Fullerton Lover on February 6, 2013

    I will say that I will be greatly disappointed if Ron Thomas settles with the city out-of-court.

    That would preclude a public airing of the soiled souls that have been lying dormant within the Fullerton Police Department headquarters for far too long.

  130. #130 by R.D. on February 6, 2013

    FELONY INDECENT EXPOSURE! Nevermind 6 DUI’s, and 16 months in prison.

  131. #131 by Fullerton Lover on February 6, 2013

    According to the article, the first time you get caught exposing yourself in public for sexual gratification, you’ll be charged with a misdemeanor…the second one is a felony.

    http://www.shouselaw.com/indecent-exposure.html

  132. #132 by truthseeker on February 6, 2013

    6 DUI’s? Are you kidding me? What a tool.

  133. #133 by truthseeker on February 6, 2013

    The council, to my dismay, recently unanimously decided to place Hughes as the lid on the pot but Ron is controlling the knob on the stove. It is really up to him.Time will tell.

  134. #134 by R.D. on February 6, 2013

    You can go to occourts.org and click on Online Case Access, then Criminal and Traffic Case Access. Accept terms on bottom, then input John Patrick Murray. I went to the courthouse and had copies made of all the minutes for each proceeding.

  135. #135 by streets of fullerton on February 6, 2013

    Has this organization ever stopped a police officer committing a crime?

    http://www.occrimestoppers.org/

  136. #136 by test on February 6, 2013

    This blog is posting out of order??

  137. #137 by Fred Alcazar on February 6, 2013

    I wonder if the guy was pals with Rincon.

  138. #138 by Fred Alcazar on February 6, 2013

    It’s all about money. And Ron’s (Mardirossian’s) best chance for a score is a big, pre-trial settlement.

    For Flory, Fitzgerald and Chaffee (probably Seburn, too) money (ours) is no object.

  139. #139 by truthseeker on February 6, 2013

    Fred what do you make of the 5-0 vote on Hughes?

  140. #140 by cg on February 6, 2013

    Truth, I know I am not Fred, but my take on that is they think his time is short. so they just went with it. We will see when trial starts. We might be lookin for a new chief.

  141. #141 by Fred Alcazar on February 6, 2013

    The three pro-Hughes, stay the course, everything’s fine goobers are in DEEP denial. Sebourn is chicken and Whitaker probably doesn’t care.

  142. #142 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 6, 2013

    “We dont want to rock the threatboat, when they got the votes.”

  143. #143 by Steve Brow on February 6, 2013

    My first thought is still the first thought that I had when I heard about the Kelly Thomas killing on KFI. How can this happen in Fullerton where my family is supposed to be in control?

    My second thought (again) is that I have seen Rusty’s view of civil rights as how the government treats the “black community”, or the “Hispanic community”, or the “gay and lesbian community”. I have never known him to have the authority nor the expertise to step in and question a cop’s individual handling of arrests. That function is vested in internal affairs, the DA, the FBI, and in the civil courts.

    My third thought is that in the history of this blog you have exhibited an integrity in your intellect, point of view and finally your frame of reference. You are the best one to answer your own questions. Obtain and audit records. Ask questions. Interview McKinly, interview Rusty, interview others. Report back to us.

  144. #144 by Digging for clues & the truth on February 6, 2013

    At the meeting before the 5-0 vote, both Whitaker and Sebourn voted against promoting Hughes to Chief. But that 3-2 vote was the one that determined that he would be Chief.

    The 5-0 vote was a formality. It directed the Mayor to complete an employment agreement with Hughes. I believe based upon their statements at the earlier meeting that both who voted against the promotion would have preferred other candidates for the position but they were voted down by the Flory/Chaffee/Fitzgerald majority.

  145. #145 by Look at Sharon on February 7, 2013

    http://asmdc.org/members/a65/

    The new Assembly job is already taking a toll on SQS. Check out the video on the bottom of the page and oh wow, free school! Nothing is free Sharon the rest of us pay for it but oh, maybe you just don’t know better.

  146. #146 by Office of Sadistic Review on February 7, 2013

    He appeared at Council meetings after the murder (Kennedy).

  147. #147 by Brandon on February 7, 2013

    If the millions in tax dollars they will continue to dish out coupled with the truths that have been/will be exposed about the corruption inside the FPD is not enough to make Fullerton citizens force change in their city, I guess they deserve to get stuck with a bunch of sadistic, apathetic cops.

  148. #148 by 5150 Needed For All LOE on February 7, 2013

  149. #149 by WRENCON on February 7, 2013

    RINCON, RINCON, RINCON, RINCON, RINCON, RINCON
    DO NOT FORGET THE NAME ALBERT RINCON. THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF FULLERTON ARE PAYING FOR HIS DIRTY DEEDS.
    DANNY AND HIS PALS SET HIM FREE TO CONTINUE HIS CAREER OF RAPE. EVEN PROMOTED HIS PARTNER WREN…
    IF YOU THINK HIS PERVERSION STOPPED WITH THE PD WHY WOULD IT? HE COMES DOWN TO SOCO AND PARTIES WITH HIS COP FRIENDS. CAL STATE FULLERTON STUDENTS BEWARE.

  150. #150 by van get it da artiste on February 7, 2013

    “How can this happen in Fullerton where my family is supposed to be in control?”
    You mean rusty kennedy and family are in control of the corrupt fullerton PD, the Fullerton city council’s initial obfuscation and denial that Kelly thomas was beaten to death by their city’s police force, development of “affordable housing” in Fullerton that only displaces the poor from their apartment dwellings so those who make $50,000 to over $100,000 annual salaries may geet a chance to buy one of these “affordable ” homes, who gets to be a victim of a hate crime in Fullerton and the OC?
    Steve, you reiterate what I suspect; Rusty Kennedy and family are more in control of Fullerton PD’s culture of corruption by glossing over this fact with oodles of positive propaganda for this same corrupt police department, his daddy’s and now his sister’s “Fullerton Observer” is another propaganda tool that convinces our weaker,less moral Fullerton city council members, past and present, that this newspaper helps make or break their petty political lives with their political spins, “fair housing” oddly morphing into “affordable housing” possible code for government sponsored housing developments mixing in with private money and investors, choosing not to label the murder of a homeless, schizophrenic, malnourished man by Fullerton PD a hate crime while trying to convince OC Board of Supervisors to continue funding his commission by claiming a 50 plus, schizophrenic woman’s garbled spray painted epithets showed radical increase in hate crimes by white supremacists.
    STeve, why did Fullerton city council members, especially then Fullerton city council member Pat McKinley, the recently retired Fullerton policie chief recommend Rusty Kennedy “fix” the obvious civil rights abuses by fullerton PD with mere “sensitivity trainings” for this police department and the city hiring Gennanco to “objectively” conclude Fullerton police officers are not corrupt, only “complacent”.
    Maybe Rusty Kennedy and his family do have more control over corruption that is found in fullerton PD and thus his culpability is increased in the slew of civil rights abuses committed by fullerton PD against the good people of Fullerton.

  151. #151 by truthseeker on February 7, 2013

    Too many entrusted to look after the peoples rights look the other way while imbibing the vino and stuffing their faces with the animal fat on our dime. It has its rewards however and the likes of which are self evident.

  152. #152 by Jurnalist on February 7, 2013

    how on earth does a Mr Kenton Hampton have the nerve to show his face in this city? Yes, it was you, you foul tarnish to the badge,that thick pathetic neck of yours-out in the light of the day.
    Gettin into that grey sedan, owned by the city-desk job my ass-You were out in public right where, we were told, you wouldnt be. Quit playing games Danny-get rid of the cancer.

  153. #153 by Steve Brow on February 7, 2013

    Van, you are restricted by intellectual bonds of your own making. When I throw you tacit agreement, you bring it back to a bitter arguement that has already been settled.

    I have to say about the Kennedies that when they were progressives in a conservative town, they were willing to profer what they believed in even when it made them hated by the majority. They kept at it for decades until their viewpoint became somewhat assimilated. They had the intellect. They had the motivation.

    Today it is surely the case that Rusty and Sharon are part of the status quo. When the status quo is the problem, they are certainly part of the problem. You continue to write as if the Kennedies are insurmountable problems in your life. You continue to write as if you define their flaws clearly enough, SOMEONE ELSE will see your wisdom and rectify the problem.

    But there is no one else. There is only you who has your unique point of view. Use your intellect. Use your motivation. Offer your point of view as the Kennedies have always offered theirs. If you can not accept my tacit aproval, I give you my express approval.

  154. #154 by MIKEY HALLER on February 7, 2013

    R.D…The only one that gives a shit about Murray is you. No one cares.

  155. #155 by van get it da artiste on February 8, 2013

    s

  156. #156 by van get it da artiste on February 8, 2013

    Steve, you did say your first thought when you heard about one of the worst civil rights abuse in Fullerton, the beating death by fullerton PD of a homeless, schizophrenic man, Kelly Thomas, was “How can this happen in fullerton where my family is supposed to be in control?”
    Maybe because your cousin Rusty Kennedy was in control of mediating civil rights abuses committed against OC communities by their respective law enforcement agencies, that Fullerton PD, especially when Pat McKinley was police chief and then Fullerton city council person who once served on Rusty’s commission, that it was inevitable the Fullerton PD again would grossly abuse the good people of Fullerton.
    After the Kelly thomas murder by fullerton PD, public scrutiny of this police force revealed Fullerton PD had a significant history of civil rights abuses that had been hushed with numerous monetary settlements authorized by fullerton city council persons over the years.

  157. #157 by van get it da artiste on February 8, 2013

    Steve, I thought the reason the majority of people hated your family was not due to their “progressive” beliefs but due to the majority’s belief that when your uncle Ralph Kennedy ran for Fullerton city council in the 1970′s he was caught cheating by engaging in voter registration fraud.
    Actions do speak louder than words

  158. #158 by Fullerton Lover on February 8, 2013

    One should never try to “Browbeat” an artiste!

  159. #159 by Salvador Dali on February 8, 2013

    GregDiamondisahorse’sass :
    Your the one that chose to blog under the name of “Salvador Dali” who was a known necrophiliac.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aowSGxim_O8

    At least I’m in good company on this blog. Lot’s of necrophilia going on around here, figuratively speaking.

  160. #160 by Fullerton Lover on February 8, 2013

    I don’t know about you Mikey, however I’m not too fond of making friends with someone who’s been convicted of exposing themselves to another for sexual gratification.

    This is the same guy who stands up and speaks on his “friends” behalf, bycalling into question the moral character of Councilmans Sebourn, Kiger, and Whitaker for having the gall to oppose the selection of Chief Dan Hughes.

    Friends of a feather.

  161. #162 by Anonymous on February 9, 2013

    Just awsome stories im lovin it.GOTTA SAY SOMEONE REALLY GOT OWNED.

  162. #163 by Jurnalist on February 9, 2013

    truthseeker :Fred what do you make of the 5-0 vote on Hughes?

    What I make- is..Danny and Fred have cut a deal, done during the summer. On that wedensday night, Ron isnt suing the man who was completely responsible for the actions of those officers, the ONLY guy F. Ronald Sleezly, would have the opportunity to sue, he didnt, and did that fake I hate Dan speach, that he spewed out at city clowncil. We all laughed, its a game. He has to pretend to hate Danny, no one saw the wink, or ROn at the PD early that morning? Dan and Ron are in cahoots, trying to get money- face it Dan doesnt care about money, its his career, all those in those walls lie for Danny. And if you dont think that everyone of our bought and paid for officials give one rats ass about what we say, you better think again- they dont. They erased our decent, history will show that the city- including those sick teachers, like Viveros and Keller, who hang with molesters with their kids- did we see signs of them hanging with Murray? Yes, we did, face it folks they will use their kids as tools, for molesters as long as they tow the political line,sick people, sick cops, sick sick sick. Our history has been replaced- Danny will be a Mike Corona in the making. Hopefully he will get bitch slapped like he did to those people in his custody.

  163. #164 by Daniel Ciello on February 9, 2013

    Simmons: “Fighting the arrogance and corruption of the FPD and Fullerton government, including the pay and pension issues, is the same as fighting for Kelly Thomas and all those people FPD would murder in the future.”

    Your half-right, the other half is dealing with the problem of homelessness. This is something that 90 percent of the people on this blog won’t do. So, if you shoot for fifty percent and miss, you get zero.

  164. #165 by Steve Brow on February 10, 2013

    No, Van. That is an issue in which you were involved and stands as the pivital issue from your perspective. The Kennedies were labled as “communists” by 1958 for their opinions in the PTA at Golden Hills Elementary School. This was the aftermath of the McCarthy era. This was when I was two years old and Rusty was six.

    Sometime I can tell you the whole story as it was related to me.

    Ralph would have lost that election anyway. The registration issue certainly cost him hundreds of votes and the issue gave the Daily News Tribune an opportunity to write and editorial taking a neutral stance on the registration issue but pointing out that Ralph’s politics did not represent most people in Fullerton. This likely cost anothr couple of hundreds of votes.

  165. #166 by Steve Brow on February 10, 2013

    Maybe. Pursue your thoughts.

  166. #167 by Steve Brow on February 10, 2013

    In fact, this answers much of the confusion between us. My perspective is 1958 to present. Your perspective is 1975 to present. At times you wrote as if you were much closer to my cousins than I was, which is true, although I sensed that there were things missing from your perspective.

  167. #168 by SHERIFF JOE on February 11, 2013

    You all remember Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona , who painted the jail cells pink and made the inmates wear pink prison garb. Well…

    SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!

    Oh, there’s MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe!

    Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe offered to take the department over, and the County Supervisors said okay.

    The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for anyone who’d like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows.

    The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a Maricopa County shelter two years ago. He was neutered and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him. Cost us $78.

    The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals.

    I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand.

    He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 – $8 for the holidays and plant it later. We have six trees in our yard from the prison.

    Yup, he was re-elected last year with 83% of the vote.
    Now he’s in trouble with the ACLU again. He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn’t doing enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought 4 new buses just for hauling folks back to the border. He’s kind of a ‘Git-R-Dun’ kind of Sheriff.

    TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO..

    HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF

    AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER.

    THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona ) who created the ‘Tent City Jail’:
    **He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them..
    **He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jail.
    **Took away their weights.
    **Cut off all but ‘G’ movies.
    **He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.
    **Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn’t get sued for discrimination.

    **He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails, so he hooked up the cable TV again…BUT only let in the Disney channel and the Weather channel.

    **When asked why the weather channel, he replied, “So they will know how hot it’s gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.”

    **He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.

    **When the inmates complained, he told them, “This isn’t The Ritz/Carlton…… If you don’t like it, don’t come back.”

    More On The Arizona Sheriff: With temperatures being even hotter
    than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-
    wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County jail have
    been given permission to strip down to their government-issued
    pink boxer shorts.

    On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.

    Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their PINK SOCKS.

    “It feels like we are in a furnace,” said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the TENTS for 1 year. “It’s inhumane.”

    Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates, “It’s 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn’t commit any crimes, so shut your mouths!” Way to go, Sheriff!

    Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders Criminals should be punished for their crimes – not live in luxury until it’s time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers’ money and enjoy things taxpayers can’t afford to have for themselves.

    If you agree, pass this on.
    If not, just delete it…..Jus Sain…!!!

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