Watch Out For The Tricks


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Kind of creepy.

And no, Ms. Executive Director, your monster is not asleep.

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  1. #1 by Anonymous on October 29, 2012

    Flory should sue them for their copying and impersination .
    I didn’t spell it wrong.

  2. #2 by wickedwitchoffullerton on October 29, 2012

    Keller as a witch looks awfully appropriate. Just saying.

    This video frightens and pleases me at the same time. It’s a visual representation of how I see her typically.

  3. #3 by Stimulated on October 29, 2012

    Is it just me, or did it look like Keller and that other chick were, kind of, you know… getting into it?

    • #4 by Common Sense on October 29, 2012

      It’s just you

  4. #5 by Lifesaving Service on October 29, 2012

    Worse than a horror movie the fear is real!!!

  5. #6 by Greg Diamond on October 30, 2012

    Liberals can generally make fun of themselves. It’s the rare conservative who can. I’m trying to remember if I’ve ever read a single self-deprecating comment from a conservative on this blog. Most of the humor (quote-unquote) is just hostile.

    • #7 by The Fullerton Shadow on October 30, 2012

      Now that’s the most asinine thing I’ve ever heard.

      Flory, Quirk, Keller. Not a nickel’s worth of humor in the bunch. Just gaggle of self-righteous boohoos.

      • #8 by Greg Diamond on October 30, 2012

        “Not a nickel’s worth of humor in the bunch.”

        Oh. Then you think that video was supposed to be a documentary?

        Flory is actually quite funny, but so far as I’ve seen it’s largely at Tony’s expense.

        • #9 by Funniest thing about Flory on October 30, 2012

          …is when she wears those form fitting 70′s era designer jeans to the City Council meetings.

          Those Jordache jeans may look good on a grape, but not on a raisin.

          • #10 by Greg Diamond on October 30, 2012

            How catty. Tony, I didn’t know you were so into fashion.

            (Or Travis, as the case may be.)

            • #11 by Funniest thing about Flory on October 30, 2012

              I don’t think that Tony or Travis are really into fashion?

              However, from what I’ve seen Jan Flory wearing in public, either is she.

        • #12 by Joe Sipowicz on October 30, 2012

          Flory is funny? Uh-huh. Sure.

          • #13 by Greg Diamond on October 30, 2012

            I’ll bet you’ve never spoken to her, am I right?

        • #14 by The Fullerton Shadow on October 30, 2012

          If by funny you mean the muumuu’s and the ethnic beads, then yes, I’ll grant you funny. In a Helen Roper sort of way.

          • #15 by Greg Diamond on October 30, 2012

            No, I mean witty.

        • #16 by Politics on October 30, 2012

          Diamond. Saw a nice article in the paper about you and your battle for the seat. Didn’t realize you were actually in the running. Good luck.

          • #17 by The Fullerton Harpoon on October 30, 2012

            What paper was that, the Fullerton Observer?

            • #18 by Greg Diamond on October 31, 2012

              Whoever wrote that may be thinking of the Sacramento Bee.

              • #19 by You Really Are An Ignorant Pud on October 31, 2012

                Yeah, right. Sacramento Bee? Hahahaha!

                • #20 by Greg Diamond on October 31, 2012

                  Why wouldn’t they be thinking of the Sacramento Bee? Have you even checked to see if there’s been a story on my race there within the past month?

    • #21 by van get it da artiste on October 31, 2012

      you can’t remember reading self-deprecating humor from a conservative on this blogsite because your eyes were looking down at your lap

      • #22 by Greg Diamond on October 31, 2012

        Give one example from the past six months of self-deprecating humor. I see a lot of other-deprecating humor, which isn’t the same.

        On the other hand — that was witty of you. Luckily for me, though, even if that’s true I’m not violating the Brown Act.

        • #23 by Anonymous on October 31, 2012

          Give me one example from the past six months of you doing a lick of compensable work.

          • #24 by Greg Diamond on October 31, 2012

            OK: I settled two employment law cases, appeared in court multiple times for motion practice on a third, heavily involved in discovery on a fourth. This was despite having tried to clear my schedule for this period. You’ll understand why I don’t give out client names, I presume.

            • #25 by Anonymous on October 31, 2012

              Not much to show for a “practicing” attorney. Moxley is right. You’re a slug.

              • #26 by Greg Diamond on October 31, 2012

                With one exception (that turned out to blow up in my face when it required much more work than I had expected), I haven’t taken any new cases since I think May. I’ve gotten calls from prospective and have either deferred them if people could wait until after November and referred them out if they couldn’t. I had wanted to leave the period between the primary and next week as free as possible. I’ll start taking cases again in a week.

        • #27 by van get it da artiste on October 31, 2012

          and you can’t prove Kiger is violating the Brown act, not a witty insinuation but a cheap shot at kiger’s character

          • #28 by Greg Diamond on October 31, 2012

            You’re right, at this point I can’t prove anything — and wouldn’t even try.

            Like everyone else, I’ll have to wait for the results of Det. Bair’s records request. Then, if whatever Travis has been starting at in his lap really is electronic, we can hear Travis and Tony explain how it’s all OK, really.

            If you didn’t want the conversation to go in this direction, maybe you shouldn’t have made a joke about “looking down at your lap,” eh?

            • #29 by Greg "all I got was a rock instead of a Diamond on October 31, 2012

              You and the FPOA are the only people that care about Bair’s record request.

              You sound like your bringing your own personal issues into the “fold”, and that perhaps people laughed at you when you were younger whenever they searched, without success of course, for signs of a lap of your own.

              Just sayin…

              • #30 by Greg Diamond on October 31, 2012

                OK, let’s compromise here:

                Travis, you’re reading this. (If not, someone here who can get him please do so.) Please say for the record: since July 1, 2012, have you even used your cell phone or another device allowing communication to and/or from others from the dais for any purpose during a City Council meeting?

                So, “fake me”: you agree that it’s fair to ask him this, right? I’ve never even heard him deny it so far. I’ll be influenced, even if not conclusively, by his denying it.

                • #31 by Cody on October 31, 2012

                  Dimebag Greg – if you haven’t noticed, people on the 4F blog don’t give a fuck about what you think, write, say or do. So go fuck off ASAP.

                • #32 by You Really Are An Ignorant Pud on October 31, 2012

                  First, Travis wouldn’t be so dumb as to use a city-owned device.

                  Second what he does with his own phone is nobody’s business but his. There’s no public record.

                  Jesus, you’re a dumbass.

                • #33 by Anonymous on October 31, 2012

                  Why dignify your witch hunts with a response?

                  Your kind of becoming a scary stalker at this point.

                  Does everyone that is getting stalked by you owe you a response?

                • #34 by Greg Diamond on October 31, 2012

                  @Cody — no, I hadn’t noticed that.

                  @Pud — Tony, only someone born around when you and I were would use the word “pud.” If you need a defense of the possibility that you specifically violated the Brown Act, you should really farm it out to someone else. Now you’ve given the state reason to demand your records of this site to see if you’re making statements against interest — and also suggesting that you tried to take advantage of his using a private (and, you imagine, non-discoverable) record of texts to circumvent the Brown Act, which is guilty knowledge. (If you’re lucky, though, Det. Bair isn’t reading this….)

                  @Anon — No one is getting stalked by me, so it’s impossible to answer your final question.

            • #35 by You Really Are An Ignorant Pud on October 31, 2012

              Oh God, another one of Dime Bag’s “I didn’t really want to say anything dumb or irrelelvant, but you made me so it’s your fault!”

            • #36 by Van get it da artiste on October 31, 2012

              Greg, you are the one who brought up the Brown Act to insinuate Kiger and whomever are conspiring to do what?
              You need to prove there exists a conspiracy between Kiger and ?. That Kiger seeks to hide info the public has the right to know from its elected officials.
              The origin of conspire is to breath each other’s breath. Can you reasonably prove the existence of a relationship between kiger and ? solely based on a desire to trick the community of Fullerton out of ?.

              • #37 by Yes on October 31, 2012

                Everyone knows that Kiger was texting Tony all the time during those meetings. If you don’t believe that, then you are an idiot. If someone was to actually get access to Kiger’s phone records during those meetings it would have Tony’s cell all over it. I’ll wager any amount of money anyone would like to wager and we will compare the text number record. Bring it. Money talks shit walks.

                • #38 by Greg Diamond on October 31, 2012

                  No, “Yes,” I’m an example of someone who doesn’t know that it’s true. I’ve noticed that, at the meetings, Kiger would sometimes have a posture that was unusual for someone at a meeting — almost like he was slumped and asleep, but not quite that. I just chalked it up to an eccentricity — and it didn’t occur to me (partly because I didn’t think about it deeply) until watching Bair’s presentation that it could well be that he was sending and/or reading texts.

                  So I don’t consider the matter settled at all. It seems to be plausible to me, it seems to be fairly straightforward to investigate (unless he refuses to cooperate), and it seems to be a problem if it’s true. I’m happy to see an investigation go forward.

                  What’s weird is that people here — especially given their penchant to convict people of murder — think that one ought to start out with PROOF rather than merely with suspicion. I have no proof — and unlike with Norby, I have not even tried to find any. But I do have suspicions — and it’s odd that especially this crowd should see that as a problem.

                • #39 by cg on October 31, 2012

                  I guess this is better than watching Bankhead sleeping…Is that in the Brown Act? Who cares if he is texting? All the council hears is BAH BAH BAH AND BAH…..

                • #40 by Greg Diamond on October 31, 2012

                  If you really want to know why it matters, I’ll explain.

                  If that was a rhetorical question, I won’t bother.

              • #41 by Greg Diamond on October 31, 2012

                One doesn’t start with proof. One starts with reasonable suspicion. See my response below for more.

                Such communications would be important (as opposed to merely politically embarrassing) because of the Brown Act. Your bringing up the topic implicitly brings up the Brown Act. If you didn’t know that previously, now you know.

                • #42 by Van get it da artiste on October 31, 2012

                  Inductive reasoning allows for the possibility the conclusion is false.
                  I see Kiger peculiarly hunched over his lap
                  Kiger is texting during city council meetings
                  Texts prove conspiracies to defraud or mislead people

                  All the birds I see are in flight
                  All birds fly

                • #43 by Van get it da artiste on October 31, 2012

                  As for the Brown Act, it only kicks in with proof. Suspicion does not activate this act

                • #44 by Greg Diamond on October 31, 2012

                  Yes, you’re right. That’s why I’m not coming to a conclusion here. I just think that it’s fair to seek the records, largely because of the possibility — not probability, not certainty — of a Brown Act violation.

                  Honestly, how would FFFF’s investigation of the Kelly Thomas killing have proceeded under your rules?

                • #45 by Van get it da artiste on October 31, 2012

                  Kelly Thomas investigation proceed under my rules? The video clearly shows and is corroborated by eye witness accounts three Fullerton police officers threatening to fuck up Kelly then these same police officers beating KellymThomas to death while three other fullerton police officers refuse to stop his murder by their fellow police officers. Blatant evidence usurps rules of induction or deduction, Sherlock.
                  Perversely supporting the truth the Fullerton pd murdered KellymThomas is the police officers who murdered Kelly colluded and lied on their reports to ,hide the fact Kelly Thomas was beaten unconscious by the outstanding, award winning for community policing efforts, the Fullerton PD.
                  Fullerton city council,person Travis Kiger courageously fights retired Fullerton police chief and disgraced through recall Fullerton city council person, the one and only pat McKinley’s culture of corruption legacy.
                  And your response to this classic scenario of good fighting evil grown in apathy is to accuse Kiger of political malfeasance because he points his eyes at his lap.
                  Greg, why do you refuse to point your eyes and finger at McKinley, Fullerton pd, recalled Fullerton council persons jones and Bankhead and those other pillars of Fullerton’s community who stood stock still when confronted with the truth about their police,force’s history of civil,rights abuses against the good people of fullerton

                • #46 by Who's Sorry Now? on October 31, 2012

                  You have ZERO idea what you are talking about, do you?

  6. #47 by Is Pam Keller still a Teacher? on October 30, 2012

    When I went to the Fullerton Collaborative website, I noticed that Pam Keller’s e-mail address is the same as the one’s that I use to contact my children’s Teacher’s.

    Is Pam Keller still employed by the Fullerton School District?

    pam_keller@fsd.k12.ca.us

    • #48 by The Fullerton Shadow on October 30, 2012

      She is an employee of FSD who is contracted out to the Collaborative as an Executive Director. That way she gets to keep her benefits and doesn’t even have to pretend to be a teacher.

      Sweet gig, huh?

      • #49 by Funniest thing about Flory on October 30, 2012

        So the taxes that we residents are paying to have our children educated, and instead are told that there isn’t enough money to reduce elementary school class sizes from 35-40 children, are instead going to promote this nonsense?

        What kind of gig did Sharon Silva get for spending so much time away from her classes?

        I noticed that she only has only hand full of classes scheduled at Richman Elementary her own self.

        Which member of the school board authorized these sweet deals that subsidize our Teachers to have political careers instead of paying them to be educators?

        I

        • #50 by Anonymous on October 30, 2012

          No, she teaches part-time. There are MANY part-time teachers in the district.

          • #51 by Anonymous on October 30, 2012

            Sorry, not awake. What I meant was it’s not simply a sweet deal for SQS.

          • #52 by Anonymous on October 30, 2012

            Do they get part time benefits too?

            What does that consist of?

            • #53 by Anonymous on October 30, 2012

              Oh you’re right. Part-time teachers do get benefits, as do thousands of other teachers across the state. My point was :) that this isn’t a Fullerton issue solely.

              • #54 by Anonymous on October 30, 2012

                That wasn’t my question. Maybe I wasn’t succinct enough.

                My question is…

                What is the diffence between the benefits extended to a Teacher if they are part-time, as opposed to a full-time?

          • #57 by Fullerton Lover on October 30, 2012

            I figured that it was actually Fullerton School Board Member, Minard Duncan, who authorized Sharon Silva and Pam Keller to pursue political careers on behalf of the Teacher’s Union?

            This would be due to “Kathy Duncan” being listed as Pam Keller’s campaign treasurer in her campaign contribution forms found on the city of Fullerton’s website, and Minard Duncan being listed as a Director of the Fullerton Collaborative.

            What most Fullerton residents don’t seem to fully grasp, is that their employees that they’ve hired, have been playing them all for fools, and have been playing this political charade with us for many years now.

            • #58 by van get it da artiste on October 31, 2012

              yes, you are correct

          • #59 by Pam Keller's list of campaign contributions forms from 2006City Council election... on October 30, 2012

            Show that “Kathleen Duncan” was the Treasurer for Pam Keller’s 2006 City Council ampaign.

            http://cityoffullerton.com/Weblink8/DocView.aspx?id=391825&dbid=1

          • #60 by The Fullerton Shadow on October 30, 2012

            No, she is not a teacher, just gets the bennies.

      • #61 by van get it da artiste on October 31, 2012

        not if your child’s school year is shortened, his or her textbooks and IT are out of date, his or her classroom has 40 or more students because the money that was supposed to pay for our future’s education is diverted into Keller’s collaborative.
        and some fools will argue that her pet project the fullerton collaborative is a non-profit, except it is her school teacher’s salary formed from out tax dollars that allows her to collaborate a better fullerton, can’t you see this fact?

  7. #62 by KKKiller! . on October 30, 2012

    KKKiller you are another Klanswoman of Fullerton.
    Get Jan, Sharon and KKKiller together and you have some awesome racist self hating fun.

    • #63 by Greg Diamond on October 30, 2012

      OK, person pretending to hate the KKK, what exactly do you mean by “awesome racist self-hating fun”? “Self-hating” how?

  8. #64 by Anonymous on October 30, 2012

    whos the hot nut job on the right?
    I Love the other videos of these two when pam speaks english then side kick speaks in spanish.
    Or when her side kick goes solo and is interviewing council clowndadates in english then starts speaking spanish to the next guy

  9. #65 by Spunky on October 30, 2012

    Creepy!!!

  10. #66 by Liar on October 30, 2012

    Lame!!! Ffff is running out of material!! Haha

  11. #67 by truthseeker on October 30, 2012

    WTH? Who paid for this piece of trash?

  12. #68 by Anonymous on October 30, 2012

    “Welcome to the WEEK of All Hallow’s Eve?

    Are you sure she’s really a Teacher?

  13. #69 by Tuco Ramirez on October 30, 2012

    Greg Diamond, how come you are not out campaigning and instead blogging in here? Aren’t you running for office? Don’t you have something better to do than blog at FFFF?
    There is no hurricane Sandy bearing down on Fullerton, so why have you suspended your campaigning?

    • #70 by Greg Diamond on October 30, 2012

      What could possibly be better than blogging at FFFF, Tuco?

      • #71 by Common Sense on October 30, 2012

        Oh, God that’s funny

    • #72 by Fullerton Rudy on October 30, 2012

      “why have you suspended your campaigning?”

      Hilarious sarcasm!

  14. #73 by Lerch on October 30, 2012

    Kinda cute. Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

  15. #74 by The Ego Has Landed on October 30, 2012

    ” Ron Thomas: It’s not about you Keith…….It’ s about Kelly. When there was an “us” before all of YOU haters started opening your mouths, I ran some very good protest.The people who came together “US” really made things happen for the good. Now that YOU haters are acting like you are so sad that MY son was murdered by YOUR cops, nothing is getting done. Your 15 minutes of fame is over. Have you notice that the news / media wont even show up for YOUR protest? Get over yourself. When was the last time any of you haters had a meeting with the DA to talk about how to charge Wolfe? Will I have been in many meetings, and now there are charges. It only work when there is an “US”. It is only “We the people” that can make change.”

    Ron Thomas seems to have forgotten a few things…
    Nobody ever saw him around the transportation center or “his son” until after that horrible night in July.
    While I maintain the opinion that Kelly reverted to a different era in his mind when he cried out for you, I wonder how many times he cried out for you prior to that night and were never there. Or was it similar to when he called for your help when you pressed charges against him for stealing a guitar worth a few hundred bucks.
    Ron was not part of any “us” at the initial protests but claims them as is.
    The media stopped going to the protests very early on, long before General Ron (as he is called amongst some of his “army”) ordered them stopped in Oct 2011.
    The media is sick of Ron Thomas. Nobody else wanted the media attention constantly.
    Even now, court updates are blips without seeing Ron anymore.
    Ron, YOUR 15 minutes of fame are up and have been for awhile now.
    Nobody misses you at the council meetings but if you feel the need yo come to a meeting to set everything straight, please set straight the accounting of KTMF and provide proof of its non profit status. Bring the 1023 and three most recent 990′s. There, you have in writing, please comply.

    • #75 by The Ego Has Landed on October 30, 2012

      Everytime Ron brags about having an inside advantage because of private discussions with Hughes and Rackauckus, he threatens the criminal trial.

      Ron, STFU!!!

      You haven’t done a tenth of what’s been accomplished here. You’re going to set the council and police straight? They all think you’re a joke, too. BTW, you really have a hard on for this Keith. My guess is he bruised your ego a bit more.

      Ron Thomas: I will be at the next meeting, and all HELL is going to break loose. I’ll see you there Keith!

      Ron Thomas: By that, I am not looking for Keith. I am going to set the City Council stright, and also the PD on some issues that have not been settled.

      • #76 by Greg Diamond on October 31, 2012

        Oh, you noticed that problem, did you? The question is: is Raclaukus inviting that result?

  16. #77 by Fullerton Rudy on October 30, 2012

    That video is almost as scary as dressing up your little kid in costumes and making him read your scripts.

    Weird. Poor little Alex.

  17. #78 by van get it da artiste on October 31, 2012

    stop bullying pam “goofy” keller. Keller is not a grown woman capable of defending herself with words instead of resorting to pimp slapping those who don’t think she is absolutely marvelous. and freedom of speech is a baaaa-d thing little sheep because it makes those who surreptiously make deals to continue the ruination of city o fullerton look baaaa-d and that is not positive .
    pam keller is proof that everything she learned she learned in kindergarten. smile, pam keller

  18. #79 by van get it da artiste on October 31, 2012

    just my dare I get in trouble for saying this? my opinion

  19. #80 by Fred Alcazar on October 31, 2012

    Greg Diamond :
    Why wouldn’t they be thinking of the Sacramento Bee? Have you even checked to see if there’s been a story on my race there within the past month?

    “Your race?” hahahaha!

    How can there be a one man race, unless Huff is trying set a record, of course!

  20. #81 by Fred Alcazar on October 31, 2012

    Greg Diamond :
    If you really want to know why it matters, I’ll explain.
    If that was a rhetorical question, I won’t bother.

    Greg Diamond :
    @Cody — no, I hadn’t noticed that.
    @Pud — Tony, only someone born around when you and I were would use the word “pud.” If you need a defense of the possibility that you specifically violated the Brown Act, you should really farm it out to someone else. Now you’ve given the state reason to demand your records of this site to see if you’re making statements against interest — and also suggesting that you tried to take advantage of his using a private (and, you imagine, non-discoverable) record of texts to circumvent the Brown Act, which is guilty knowledge. (If you’re lucky, though, Det. Bair isn’t reading this….)
    @Anon — No one is getting stalked by me, so it’s impossible to answer your final question.

    Nice deduction Sherlock. How many 50 year olds are there in OC, anyway?

    Haha. What a maroon. Bushala wouldn’t even respond to a nobody like you!

  21. #82 by The Fullerton Harpoon on October 31, 2012

    Greg Diamond :

    @Cody — no, I hadn’t noticed that.

    @Pud — Tony, only someone born around when you and I were would use the word “pud.” If you need a defense of the possibility that you specifically violated the Brown Act, you should really farm it out to someone else. Now you’ve given the state reason to demand your records of this site to see if you’re making statements against interest — and also suggesting that you tried to take advantage of his using a private (and, you imagine, non-discoverable) record of texts to circumvent the Brown Act, which is guilty knowledge. (If you’re lucky, though, Det. Bair isn’t reading this….)

    @Anon — No one is getting stalked by me, so it’s impossible to answer your final question.

    Oh, brother, Clarence Darrow is at it again. I guess it’s still Halloween, anyway. Go ahead and dress up and pretend you’re a lawyer.

    BTW, I doubt if Det. Blair can read.

  22. #83 by Jack! on November 11, 2012

    A copyright claim? By that idiot Davis Barber? He couldn’t give that crap away.

    • #84 by Johnny Donut on November 12, 2012

      It was bad while it lasted.

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