The Field is Set


Here are your 2012 candidates for Fullerton City Council. Seats will go to the the top three vote-getters.

Rick Alvarez
Businessowner/Planning Commissioner

Bruce Whitaker
Member of the City Council, City of Fullerton

Matthew Hakim
Musician/Artist

Travis Kiger
City Council Member, City of Fullerton

Jennifer Fitzgerald
Fullerton Business Owner

Jan Flory
Family Law Attorney

Jane Rands
Systems Engineer

Roberta Reid
Retired

Vivian “Kitty” Jaramillo
Retired Preservation Inspector

Barry Levinson
Auditor/Parks Commissioner

Brian Bartholomew
Small Business Owner

Don Bankhead
Retired Police Captain

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  1. #1 by Embarrassment to KTMF on August 17, 2012

    Travis Kiger
    City Council Member, City of Fullerton.

    IS GONE!

    • #2 by Huh? on August 17, 2012

      I don’t understand your pseudonym. Are you proud of being an embarrassment to KTMF? And what exactly is your problem with Travis?

      • #3 by Annoyed on August 18, 2012

        Is Kiger the bozo who appointed his wife to the library board /commission over someone with extensive experience?

  2. #6 by Peter Pan on August 17, 2012

    Time to play ball. Tony get your checkbook out!

    • #7 by Embarrassment to KTMF on August 17, 2012

      cha-ching

  3. #8 by Fullerton Lover on August 17, 2012

    Says here that Jennifer Fitzgerald is the past President of Fullerton Chamber of Commerce…

    http://www.cl7communications.com/index.php?pr=About_Us

    • #9 by Jennifer Cowen Fitzgerald unredacted on August 17, 2012

      Yes, lowly peons of Fullerton, I have ruled before, and soon I shall shall rule again.

      Who shall stop me? The drunk? Catwoman? Old Blanky? The Alvarez? Only I can give you an experience beyond limits… pain and pleasure, indivisible.

  4. #10 by Not Greg Diamond on August 17, 2012

    Where’s Diamonds name?

    Oh never mind, he lives in Brea, but conducts “commerce” here.

    GO TRAVIS AND BRUCE AND WHO EVER ELSE HAS THE COURAGE TO STAND UP FOR FULLERTONIANS.

    • #11 by Greg Diamond on August 17, 2012

      It’s right up there next to “by NOT,” genius. Brilliant of you to point out that I’m not running for City Council. “BREAKING NEWS”!

  5. #12 by Cameron Irons on August 17, 2012

    Were do I get the “No Bankhead” sign.

  6. #13 by Tricia on August 17, 2012

    Let the games begin!

  7. #14 by Snakes on August 17, 2012

    What happened to that clown Matt Rowe who said he’d run in November?

    • #15 by Anonymous on August 17, 2012

      He endorsed Jane Rands and no development in Coyote Hills. Funny I don’t remember him saying much about that last time.

      • #16 by Snakes on August 17, 2012

        LOL. Matt Rowe the independent candidate my ass. Jane Rands is to the left of the Democratic party.

        • #17 by Jt on August 17, 2012

          Jane Rands has more integrity than just about anybody in Fullerton politics. And she is an independent. Left? Right? These terms are meaningless in Fullerton.

          • #18 by Snakes on August 17, 2012

            LOL. Spoken like a true liberal educrat.

            • #19 by For the record on August 17, 2012

              LOL. Spoken like a true asshat. Glad to see you’re still typing impotent anonymous venom, Snakes. Hope you got your jollies this evening.

            • #20 by Jt on August 18, 2012

              Oh, so you want to call me out because I identified myself? OK, I’ll just use a pseudonym after I’m done with this blog post.

              I’m not a liberal, and I’m not a “crat.” I’m an educator. I don’t have any TAs around so I’ll grade your blog comments for myself. Let’s see…. F.

          • #21 by JustUs on August 17, 2012

            Jt. if Rands supports Danny Hughes as Joes says how could you support her?

            This is an important election. All need to be painfully honest and not just circle the wagon for their fav candidates. You need to examine the warts on everyone. This is serious.

            • #22 by Jt on August 18, 2012

              Joe’s comment below is stupid. I’ll respond there.

  8. #23 by Anonymous on August 17, 2012

    I look forward to voting against the incumbents.

    • #24 by Anonymous on August 17, 2012

      You could be any one of eight Fullerton cops who live in Fullerton.

      Game over!

  9. #25 by JustUs on August 17, 2012

    Other than Kiger and Whitacker – who is worth a damn on that list?

    Barthololmew? Who’s he? I notice he doesn’t hold a commission job and doesn’t appear to have any old ties with the city? Small business owner. hmmm. Is he worth consideration?

    Roberta Reid? Retired from what? That makes a big difference. Retired from the private or public sector?

    Hakim? Who’s he? Musician/Artist. Liberal? I’ve never met a musician or an artist who knew how to manage money. Maybe Hakim is different. What’s this guy’s track record?

    Rands? I saw her speak once at a council meeting. She seemed pretty sharp and down to earth. System’s analyst? hmmm. What’s her ideology?

    • #26 by Fullerton Lover on August 17, 2012

      Out of the options you mentioned, Jane Rands is the most sincere and best chance of reform that we’ve got of the lot. Jane truly cares about Fullerton residents and was one of the original signees of those 30 Fullerton residents who initiated the Fullerton recall efforts. Very involved in local commissions, and is currently spearheading a grass roots effort to form a civilian oversight committee to increase accountability of the FPD to the residents of Fullerton.

      • #27 by JustUs on August 17, 2012

        I respect your opinion, Fullerton Lover. When I watched Rands speak at the Council Meeting she seemed very sincere and struck me as apolitical.

        We need more people in political offices who act less like politicians and more like human beings. Someone who speaks their mind without worrying about how it might affect their reelection. Someone who refuses special interest money or puts their influence up for sale to the higher bidder. Someone who knows the difference between right and wrong – and takes the ‘right’ side even if it’s unpopular with their political party. Someone who refuses to act based on fear of consequences.

        Even if someone like that only last one term – they can walk away with their head held high.

        God almighty – when will a human being finally win an election?

        • #28 by Joe Sipowicz on August 17, 2012

          The problem with Jane is that she is extremely naive. She bought into the “Chief Danny” is a reformer crap even as she promotes a useless “oversight” board for the cops.

          I don’t know if she’s ever even addressed the activities of Rincon, Mater, Mejia, Major, Goodrich, Basham, Hampton (Veth Mam, Quinozez), Tong. Thayer, Siliceo, Nguyen, Baughman, etc., etc.

          Maybe she will show up and explain.

          • #29 by JustUs on August 17, 2012

            I didn’t realize that Jane was a member of Danny’s fan club. That’s a big negative. Perhaps it’s as innocent as naivete. If so, she needs to grow up. Otherwise, it could mean real trouble. She needs to be watched closely. You folks don’t need anymore slick polticians on your council. You already got enough of those.

          • #30 by Jt on August 18, 2012

            First of all, Travis and others also support some kind of civilian oversight. So this critique is just dumb.

            How is she supposed to address all these bad cops? I saw her out there at a bunch of protests, more than I saw any one-armed gun store employee. I even saw her at Anaheim protests. Everybody knows she’s been all over this stuff since the beginning.

            Maybe she’ll show up where to explain? She was at the last city council meeting. Were you?

            As far as Hughes, you work with what you have. Doesn’t mean you can’t replace him with someone else when the time comes.

            Glass houses….stones…etc.

            • #31 by Greg Diamond on August 18, 2012

              She’s an independent thinker. That’s why she’ll get no more than lip service here.

          • #32 by Fullerton Lover on August 18, 2012

            I’m not sure you know what your talking about Joe. Have you been to any of the “useless oversight board” for the cop meetings that Jane Rands has organized at the Fullerton library?

            Didn’t think so.

            • #33 by Joe Sipowicz on August 18, 2012

              The City Council is the police oversight board. Period. Nothing else is needed.

              • #34 by Fullerton Lover on August 18, 2012

                I think we all saw how that one worked out for us Joe didn’t we?

                • #35 by Joe Sipowicz on August 18, 2012

                  Of course we did. Because the City Council was composed of three unaccountable dimwits. Well, four if you count Quirk.

                  Creating another committee staffed by Chaffee and Quirk appointees and Sebourn’s family members would simply be a distraction.

                • #36 by Fullerton Lover on August 18, 2012

                  The staffing that is being discussed with regards to the composition of a police oversight committee, would be by geographical districts in Fullerton and would not be by political appointment.

              • #37 by Anonymous on August 18, 2012

                The city council can’t legally review internal investigations to make sure they were done properly. If an oversight board could, then I’m listening.

              • #38 by Greg Diamond on August 18, 2012

                This is astoundingly stupid. Now I’m wondering if instead of being Tony (like Fred), you’re Barry Levinson, out to do anything to keep people from voting for Jane.

                • #39 by Jt on August 18, 2012

                  Barry posts under his own name and wouldn’t knock Jane. IMO.

                • #40 by Greg Diamond on August 18, 2012

                  That someone posts under their own name does not preclude their also posting not under their own name. It’s the Wild West here, as you may have noticed. But I don’t have any real reason to think that this is Barry himself — as opposed to someone who wants him rather than Jane to get that third seat.

      • #41 by Jt on August 17, 2012

        I second all of that FL.

      • #42 by The Desert Rat on August 17, 2012

        “Caring” and “sincerity” are the crapola that got Molly McClanahan’t and Jan Flory elected.

        By the way, kudos to whomever came up with Gin Flurry. Genius.

        • #43 by Jt on August 18, 2012

          Therefore anyone who cares should be shot?

          Actually Tony cares too. That’s why he does what he does. Or would you rather we go with the other narrative that his opponents promulgate?

          Sometimes you Ayn Randian types are just clueless, even about your own friends and associates.

          • #44 by The Desert Rat on August 18, 2012

            You have managed to miss my point entirely, and that’s not easy.

            “Caring” as a campaign slogan means you have nothing of substance to offer. “Caring” is neither quantifiable nor verifiable.

            Don Bankhead “cares.” So did HeeHaw and Patdown Pat McPension.

            Nobody needs to be shot. Rather they need not to be elected.

            I would like to hear about things like corruption in the FPD; the 15 year old illegal water tax. The way the city council gave away air rights and public streets worth millions to their pals and campaign donors for nothing!

            If “caring” is a happy by-product of a smart, determined, ethical candidate who willing to be held accountable on real issues and for real votes, so much the better.

            • #45 by Fullerton Lover on August 18, 2012

              Sounds like you don’t know too much about Jane Rands Mr. Desert Rat. I suggest you get to know her better and you’d find that she has so much more than a big heart.

              She has a big brain also, and a conscience that’s true. The combination of the two can be lethal to those that don’t have either.

              • #46 by The Desert Rat on August 18, 2012

                “She has a big brain also”

                Good to hear. I hope she starts using it.

                • #47 by Fullerton Lover on August 18, 2012

                  Please provide specific incidents of how Jane Rands has not used her intelligence in the past?

                • #48 by Jt on August 18, 2012

                  I heard Jane speaking about the water tax to the council months ago.

                  The bottom line is pretty much those who know her and observe her respect her, whether they agree with her or not. Those who don’t know her and haven’t really observed her sling insults.

                  Desert Rat – I hear you. When some people say “they care” its transparent BS. But with some people you can tell its real.

                  Also, the difference between being a pro-development, pro-subsidy “liberal” and an Independent is pretty big.

              • #49 by JustUs on August 18, 2012

                It scares me whenever I hear a political candidate described as having a ‘big heart’.

                Does that imply that the candidate likes to take money from productive citizens and turn it over to parasites?

                If so, that’s not my kind of candidate.

                Please elaborate.

                To be a serious candidate it is my opinion that Ms. Rands must extricate herself from Danny Hughes’ camp.

                Fullerton Lover – how could you back someone who supports Hughes after what you know about Hughes’ contributions to the ‘culture of corruption’?

                Please reply.

                • #50 by Fullerton Lover on August 18, 2012

                  How have you determined that Jane Rands has supported Daniel Hughes?

                  What I’ve observed is that Jane Rands is willing to work with whomever is the Chief of Police for the Fullerton Police Department, and frankly JustUs, so am I.

                  I have children that I’m raising here in Fullerton, as well as hundreds of kids that I’ve coached over the years, and I don’t intend to stand by and wait for someone to be the Chief of Police that I’m compatible with before I do something to change the way that we’re policed.

                • #51 by The Fullerton Harpoon on August 18, 2012

                  “and I don’t intend to stand by and wait for someone to be the Chief of Police that I’m compatible with before I do something to change the way that we’re policed”

                  Then vote for Jane because you believe she might provide oversight of the cops herself. I agree with Sipowicz. Fullerton doesn’t need some dumb, powerless yet self-important committee composed of anybody Quirk or Chaffee would appoint.

                • #52 by JustUs on August 18, 2012

                  “What I’ve observed is that Jane Rands is willing to work with whomever is the Chief of Police for the Fullerton Police Department, and frankly JustUs, so am I”

                  Thank you, Fullerton Lover. You just revealed your true colors.

                  It is my opinion that when the man in charge of an organization has been shown to be a BIG PART of the problem of the past that he MUST GO in order for the organization to get a fresh start.

                  We have indications that Chief Hughes was part of the damage control after Kelly’s brutal and fatal beating. He was in charge that night, correct? He knew the cops rewrote their reports after viewing the video. He, in fact, admittedly watched the video multiple times after the incident. And he put those 6 cops back on the street after what he saw and after what we learned much later.

                  Why would you or Rands want to ‘work’ with such a man after he was promoted to acting chief? Your primary concern should be to find a way to oust him, not be his friend. I guess if Lucifer were in charge you would want to work with him too, eh?

                  I think your priorites are twisted, Fullerton Lover. That is my opinion. And I think you should try to persuade your candidate of choice to start calling a duck a duck. Like I said before. We want REAL HUMANS sitting on the Council dias. Not political hacks who play political games and are willing to climb into the proverbial political bed with those who have proven to be untrustworthy.

                • #53 by JustUs on August 18, 2012

                  It is very sad what short memories human beings have and how easily they are manipulated into compromising their initial moral and intellectual beliefs by those who describe themselves as “leaders”. Very sad indeed.

                • #54 by JustUs on August 18, 2012

                  “Compromise” is often a fuzzy word for “Sellout”.

                  Let me remind you.

                  You deserve what you tolerate.

                • #55 by Fullerton Lover on August 18, 2012

                  “Then vote for Jane because you believe she might provide oversight of the cops herself. I agree with Sipowicz. Fullerton doesn’t need some dumb, powerless yet self-important committee composed of anybody Quirk or Chaffee would appoint.”

                  I posted earlier that the staffing that is being discussed with regards to the composition of a police oversight committee would be by geographical districts in Fullerton, and would not be by political appointment.

                  So now where’s your beef with a police oversight committee?

                  I never did hear your alternative to an oversight committee either?

                • #56 by Fullerton Lover on August 18, 2012

                  I hear what your saying JustUs, however there is a difference between being a Dan Hughes supporter, and being a resident who is willing to work with whomever the city council and city manager choose to run the department.

                  In fact if the city council were to decide to oust the police and give the OCSD a shot, I would choose to work with whomever they brought to Fullerton also.

              • #57 by Greg Diamond on August 18, 2012

                You’re doing a good job of arguing, but you don’t seem to get that we’ve entered into the stretch drive of the election, where different rules apply. Jane is running for City Council but is not Bruce, Travis, or Barry, therefore until Nov. 7 Jane is bad. Get it?

    • #58 by The Desert Rat on August 17, 2012

      Being on a commission is no guarantee of anything; in fact, the odds are that you are a stooge.

      • #59 by Fullerton Lover on August 18, 2012

        At least Jane Rands is rolling up her sleeves and trying to do something about the problems that we’re having with the Fullerton Police, rather than throwing up her hands in the air like a little scared mouse.

    • #60 by Anonymous on August 17, 2012

      I think Jaramillo would be a good choice. She was on the homeless committee. She is a humanitarian.She will be very fair and doesnt take any bulls*t . And a good all around person.

      • #61 by Joe Sipowicz on August 18, 2012

        A former city employee who pals around with Loretta and Keller and Quirk.

        Nuh uh. Not a chance.

        • #62 by John Doe on August 18, 2012

          She would be better than Kiger or Whitaker. Those boneheads!

      • #63 by Anonymous on August 18, 2012

        And she spent years cleaning up after Tony’s rancid properties. That’s why Joe S. is aghast at her candidacy – a city employee was busy holding his boss accountable for foisting slums upon the community.

        • #64 by Anonymous on August 18, 2012

          Yeah Kitty…

      • #65 by Annoyed on August 18, 2012

        Is she the uncouth one with the frosted hair? She’s not even in the running !

    • #66 by Matthew Hakim on September 18, 2012

      hello, yes I am a musician and artist.
      I do know how to manage money.
      I was a successful (A paper)Loan Officer for a few years until I was laid off.
      No on measure W
      bad plan. what about about all the empty houses and businesses already in Fullerton?
      what about the animals that live there and the humans that love that place?
      Medicinal Marijuana Dispensaries in Fullerton Yes
      I have a family member that lives in Fullerton but has to travel to Buena Park, Anaheim, LA to get their pain medication.
      Fullerton should have LEGAL dispensaries because that is a lot of money that is leaving the city.
      also compassion and understanding for the people with illnesses and injuries should be considered.
      Disbanding the police No
      if we bring in the sheriffs dept. that means more corruption, less accountability and more outside influence CONTROLLING the city. the councilmen who suggested looking into outsourcing the police are betrayers of the city.

      what else do you want to know?

      • #67 by Matthew Hakim on September 18, 2012

        HAKIM THE DREAM 2012

  10. #68 by Mudge on August 17, 2012

    I don’t suppose anyone here gives a flying frittata just how STUPID “top three” out of 12 candidates is. Many major U.S. cities used single transferable vote in the early 20th century, but it was later killed by the political monopolies that it threatened.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote
    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/polit/damy/articles/Brief%20History%20of%20PR.htm

  11. #69 by Longtimefullertongirl on August 17, 2012

    Travis Kiger, Bruce Whitaker and Jane Rands…YES!!

    • #70 by JustUs on August 17, 2012

      That’s what my gut says too.

      Then pray that one or two of them don’t go sideways like Sebourn did.

      • #71 by JustUs on August 17, 2012

        After what Joe said above about Rands being in Danny Hughes’ camp I amend my vote and mark her has a ‘potential’ vote depending upon her current opinion of Hughes. No one can say Hughes has done a great job at FPD with a straight face. He’s an insider who has shown his true colors. He backs his cops – not the citizens. And birds of a feather…….

        • #72 by Nonresident on August 18, 2012

          Since you don’t live in Fullerton you can’t vote here. So who cares?

    • #73 by Anonymous on September 18, 2012

      Jaramillo, Jaramillo, Jaramillo. Yes, Yes, Yes. Give the
      Under dog a chance. She will be fair and a fighter for what the city needs.

  12. #75 by Fullerton's Conscience on August 18, 2012

    I think the only 3rd candidate that would add to the conservative majority and stands for demanding justice and transparency from our police department is Levinson.

    He also has a financial background…. a big plus while our city continues to sink into the abyss.

    • #76 by Jt on August 18, 2012

      While I support Rands, I also think Levinson would be good. And I’ll be voting for Bruce and Travis. So much for me being a liberal huh.

  13. #77 by Jt on August 18, 2012

    The Fullerton Harpoon :
    “and I don’t intend to stand by and wait for someone to be the Chief of Police that I’m compatible with before I do something to change the way that we’re policed”
    Then vote for Jane because you believe she might provide oversight of the cops herself. I agree with Sipowicz. Fullerton doesn’t need some dumb, powerless yet self-important committee composed of anybody Quirk or Chaffee would appoint.

    Harpoon you’re right. But we might end up in the best of all possible worlds with a good council, a good chief, and then, a good, powerful, and non self-important committee.

  14. #78 by Jt on August 18, 2012

    JustUs :
    “What I’ve observed is that Jane Rands is willing to work with whomever is the Chief of Police for the Fullerton Police Department, and frankly JustUs, so am I”
    Thank you, Fullerton Lover. You just revealed your true colors.
    It is my opinion that when the man in charge of an organization has been shown to be a BIG PART of the problem of the past that he MUST GO in order for the organization to get a fresh start.
    We have indications that Chief Hughes was part of the damage control after Kelly’s brutal and fatal beating. He was in charge that night, correct? He knew the cops rewrote their reports after viewing the video. He, in fact, admittedly watched the video multiple times after the incident. And he put those 6 cops back on the street after what he saw and after what we learned much later.
    Why would you or Rands want to ‘work’ with such a man after he was promoted to acting chief? Your primary concern should be to find a way to oust him, not be his friend. I guess if Lucifer were in charge you would want to work with him too, eh?
    I think your priorites are twisted, Fullerton Lover. That is my opinion. And I think you should try to persuade your candidate of choice to start calling a duck a duck. Like I said before. We want REAL HUMANS sitting on the Council dias. Not political hacks who play political games and are willing to climb into the proverbial political bed with those who have proven to be untrustworthy.

    Jane is the least “political hack” person out there IMO. I agree with FL. You work for change on multiple fronts. If you try to stay completely pure and idealistic what will happen is:
    1. you lose your council majority
    2. stuff becomes way worse than it would have been if you’d worked with the people you had.

    • #79 by JustUs on August 18, 2012

      Jt, your comment stinks of “sellout”, pal.

      This has nothing to do with “idealism”. It’s about uprooting corruption and extricating the vermin who promote corruption. There should be NO compromise there. If you want to compromise on those points you are not a reformer. You are a status quo guy. Now go grab an x-large blue shirt for yourself.

      • #80 by Jt on August 18, 2012

        I’ve been on top of this stuff since way before you pal. Don’t be calling me a sellout. You know not of what you speak.

        • #81 by Anonymous on August 18, 2012

          Dude is a certifiable lunatic, JT. Just brush it off. He’s insulted everyone on this board at one point or another.

  15. #82 by Anonymous on August 18, 2012

    Fullerton Lover :
    Please provide specific incidents of how Jane Rands has not used her intelligence in the past?

    How do you prove a negative? Start a list of how she has used her intelligence.

    • #83 by Fullerton Lover on August 18, 2012

      Jane Rands has a B.S. from Cal Poly Pomona in Computer Science.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cal_Poly_Pomona_College_of_Engineering

      Next question?

      • #84 by Fred Alcazar on August 19, 2012

        Don Bankhead has a Master of Public Administration degree. What’s your point?

        • #85 by Fullerton Lover on August 19, 2012

          How difficult do you think it is Fred for a student with veterans benefits to gain entrance to CSUF?

          How about the Engineering program at Cal Poly Pomona?

          • #86 by Rudy Giuliani on August 19, 2012

            You’re splitting hairs. Anyone who has the wherewithal to finish and get the diploma is good to go.

          • #87 by Fred Alcazar on August 19, 2012

            Hell if I know. They are both part of CSU, a vast diploma mill with 20+ campuses.

            • #88 by Porky Pig on August 19, 2012

              Now GEDs are garbage and CSU degrees also. Not much left in this world means anything to you. We will all bow down to you tea bagging ball licking self.

              • #89 by CSUFailure on August 19, 2012

                Any university that would confer a masters degree on that dimwit Bankhead is a disgrace.

      • #90 by Anonymous on August 19, 2012

        Good start. She demonstrates that she has enough intellegence. Now, how exactly will she apply same to CC?

        It matters little to me what a person’s value system is. What matters to me is their application of same to their daily lives/actions. That is, is there consistency between values and deeds. Something that we need in our electeds

        Jane has been (and I assume continues to embrace) the green party). Fair enough. One of those values is nonviolence. Great!!!!!!
        I
        One thing Jane avoids saying is that she works in aerospace for a company that many would call part of the military/industrial complex.

        It is that sort of inconsistency that troubles me. Walk the talk!!!!

        I’ve asked her to explain on her fb page only to be DELETED!!!!

        I see that as problematic.

        • #91 by Oliver Stone on August 19, 2012

          The military/industrial complex has come up with various solutions that allow more of our soldiers to live through combat. Military/industrial complex is nothing to be ashamed of.

          • #92 by Anonymous on August 19, 2012

            It was a question of aligning one’S values with one’S ‘being’.

            How does someone that align’s so strongly with the green party make their living working against those principles?

            Walk the talk! That is directed to all electeds and wannabes not just the charming Ms. Rands.

            • #93 by Oliver Stone on August 19, 2012

              That’s assuming that providing for the common defense is against those principles. If we can’t defend ourselves what’s the point of debating anything? It’s all moot.

              • #94 by Anonymous on August 19, 2012

                Excellant point. I’d love to hear jane’s view.

                I assume you can agree that aligning values with actions is to be admired regardless of those values?

                • #95 by Oliver Stone on August 19, 2012

                  I think it’s a hierarchy, kind of like what Abraham Maslow believed. I don’t think they exist in parallel. You have to fight for your freedom to debate before you actually can debate. I find myself compromising my views for what might be a greater good.

                  Values should guide actions, so I agree with you Anonymous.

          • #96 by Oscar Wilde on August 19, 2012

            It is if you’re Green. Combat is created by the military industrial complex. Hence the invasion of Iraq.

            Jane, please explain!

  16. #97 by Brian Bartholomew on August 18, 2012

    I know that I may be an unknown to many of you, so this Thursday night I will be in the Beer Garden at the Fullerton Market. Maybe then you can find out who I am and decide if I am “worth consideration.”

    Hopefully you will like what I have to say. I will be there after the Council intro session at city hall.

    • #98 by Anonymous on August 18, 2012

      You best kiss Bushala’s ring if you want to be considered worthy of consideration around here.

      • #99 by John Doe on August 19, 2012

        His ass would be better.

      • #100 by Anonymous on August 19, 2012

        You are better off kissing his ass.

      • #101 by Anonymous on August 19, 2012

        Yeah Tony I said that three time and you didnt post it. I was….You are better off kissing his ass.

  17. #102 by Stanley Fiala on August 19, 2012

    Caveat Tony,

    I have warned you about this before!

    Jewish setup orchestrated by by Golem, Gröfaz and OC Citizen is brewing in OJ at http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2012/08/tony-bushala-owes-don-bankhead-a-muffin-basket/comment-page-1/#comment-202463

    I hope that you are not too stupid to get in mud with Jewish mud man — Golem.

  18. #103 by Stanley Fiala on August 19, 2012

    Golem should be banned from this forum because the only purpose of his drivel here is to provoke to collect an evidence to sue FFFF and Tony.

    Trust me!

  19. #104 by Anonymous on August 19, 2012

    TONY IS A ASSHOLE, TONY IS AN ASSHOLE , TONY IS AN ASSHOLE, TONY IS AN ASSHOLE, TONY IS AN ASSHOLE.

    • #105 by Stanley Fiala on August 19, 2012

      “TONY IS A ASSHOLE, TONY IS AN ASSHOLE , TONY IS AN ASSHOLE, TONY IS AN ASSHOLE, TONY IS AN ASSHOLE”………. Hmmmmm

      I hope that you have took deep breath between the “assholes” so your face wouldn’t be read, or have a heart attack, or miniature stroke and killing your valuable IQ cells in the brain, Onanymous Gröfaz.

      • #106 by Oliver Stone on August 19, 2012

        “Onanymous Gröfaz.” That was good! Lot’s of Onanism going on around here!

  20. #107 by Tuco Ramirez on August 19, 2012

    What???? Jan Flory’s Dog isn’t running for city council? Or do we get he dog for free?? Someone has to keep her from kissing the Pat McPension ring!

  21. #108 by agenda on August 19, 2012

    You are about to be exposed!

  22. #109 by S. Harris on August 19, 2012

    Barry Levinson has my vote. He is intelligent , insightful, informed & not afraid to ask questions in order to come up with a viable solution.

  23. #110 by Brian Bartholomew on August 23, 2012

    Sorry everyone, but our intro meeting for council candidates lasted longer than expected. Beer Garden next week at 6pm. Come on by and let’s talk about what is happening in the city and how we can make things better.

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