Gummint makes problems; gummint makes problems worse. QED.
Yesterday Grover Cleveland posted on how the Fullerton City Council’s creation of a boozy mess downtown that led to the emergence of an FPD goon squad to quell the crime wave that the council, including Recall targets Jones, Bankhead and McKinley, had created.
The only problem was that the FPD goon squad didn’t solve anything; it actually added to the crime wave!
Here’s a reminder video: a late night confrontation between a thug and some thugs in uniform. An innocent bystander was beat up and arrested. His offense? Capturing the event on video. Later he was put on trial for assaulting a cop, to which Fullerton cops Kenton Hampton and Frank Nguyen swore on oath in a court of law. It never happened, but that didn’t stop the FPD and the DA from trying to put an innocent man in prison. Now we have two more Brady cops, if they weren’t Brady cops already, and a nasty, expensive law suit waiting in the wings
#1 by James Cameron on February 17, 2012
There is no competent leadership here. Just a trio of self-important bubble heads doing favors for friends that we have to pay for – in every way imaginable.
#2 by Frank Albinder on February 17, 2012
I think you have to cut them a little slack. Bankhead is senile and Jones is just loony. McKinley is a sociopath. Not good.
If their families and friends won’t dissuade them from holding office they do need to recalled.
#3 by capn Hughes on February 17, 2012
“If somebody says there is a culture of corruption, they’re either lying, they have other motives or they are grossly misinformed.”
#4 by Anonymous on February 17, 2012
Does Jones really only have three fingers on his left claw?
#5 by Brea Brother on February 17, 2012
LMAO!
#6 by Evrything's just Shell on February 17, 2012
So……Kenton hampton will not be returning? Is this a fact? or will we see him rolling through stop signs in that big black truck of his? Yes, Kenton, I know your truck. Tell me please this guy will not be coming back…and to the city who wish to hire these thugs…good luck- your gonna pay for it..one way or the other..
#7 by Erin on February 17, 2012
So Shell, were getting rid of them one at a time.. YES!
#8 by Hughes vs. Whitaker on February 17, 2012
“It’s something that’s been very beneficial, to sit down with the protestors and have a dialogue and admit to them when we have blown it.”“We’ve done a very poor job in my opinion on being able to communicate to our community why we do what we do. We have to build that trust and relationship again,” “From being 18 and fresh out of high school to now holding the highest position in the police department, I can tell you there is no corruption,” Hughes said. “Certainly there have been officers that have made poor ethical decisions. We’ve dealt with those officers, and we will continue to do so.” we’re excited about the opportunities and challenges we have before us. We’re going to come out a better police department.”
…. Whitaker said it’s not just the Kelly Thomas incident that concerns him, but a number of police-related problems that have occurred within a short window, including the death-in-custody case last April that triggered his skepticism as to what is going on in the department.“I need to sort out and determine who may have contributed to the current culture,”
#9 by Fred Alcazar on February 17, 2012
“Certainly there have been officers that have made poor ethical decisions. We’ve dealt with those officers, and we will continue to do so.”
That’s got to be the understatement of the year. But you’ll notice he uses the word ethical as opposed to illegal, fraudulent, abusive, etc.
Ethical lapses are just so darn harmless and easily repaired. A culture of Corruption? Nothing to see here, folks, just move along. Or else.
#10 by Jane H on February 17, 2012
“Ethical lapses are just so darn harmless and easily repaired. A culture of Corruption? Nothing to see here, folks, just move along. Or else.”
Very good. You have a way with words.
#11 by Reality Is on February 17, 2012
They are all still on the streets? Nutty.
#12 by Fred Alcazar on February 17, 2012
Hampton isn’t. He’s on paid leave pending his eventual termination.
#13 by Wrong Guy on February 17, 2012
Bruce’s statement, “I need to sort out and determine who may have contributed to the current culture,” makes me wonder how many, if any, confrontations he has had with McKinley about all of this…
McKinley, apologize to the citizen of Fullerton for putting them in harms way of your criminal police force you put together AND for lying to them about how the crime level in Fullerton decreased while you were in charge of their police force!!!
On second thought, don’t apologize because we WILL recall you anyways!
#14 by Wrong Guy on February 17, 2012
How about describing his truck to us so we could see him coming?
Do you know his license plate?
There were plenty of “Kenton Hampton THUG COP” signs available at the Saturday protests with his photo on it; the shot right before he slapped Veth Mam’s camera out of his hand.
Perhaps someone can duct tape that on to the outside part of the door on his truck.
#15 by Evrything's just Shell on February 17, 2012
2009 chevy black truck…rediculously raised..with the weirdest rims…they have sort of a ben hur-race scene point- that comes out..he tried to hit Ricky and myself a 2 times…I guess the big red stop sign isnt visible when your thumpin your love songs on full blast..living large,big house, fine cars..wRong guy- you have a foto of his truck the day they were ticketing for hornin’…his truck is in the back ground…yep its true the criminal does come back to look at the crime scene….
#16 by Wrong Guy on February 17, 2012
HS! (Holy Shi#)
He tried running you and Ricky over that overcast Saturday when the ‘donut-munchin’ FPOA boys were writing horn-honking tickets?
I’m so glad he was there that day. Hopefully he saw the sign I was wearing that that said, “Kenton Hampton-Thug Cop w/his mug shot.
Just like a thug cop to drive around in a large, raised and probably dark window tinted truck, which is necessary to match their large overinflated egos and compensate for their itty-bitty manhood.
#17 by Wrong Guy on February 17, 2012
So ya know who I am now?
Thanks for the enjoyment.
#18 by Erin on February 17, 2012
Shell you forgot… and he thinks he’s in charge..
#19 by Evrything's just Shell on February 19, 2012
lmao…..he “thinks” he is in charge…..aw priceless.
#20 by Bob from Baltimore on February 17, 2012
I would love to be there for the city council meeting on Tuesday when Gennaco gives his report, I havent been to a good magic show in quite some time. With a little slight of hand and a fork tounge watch as he makes the crimes of the officers disappear, and out pops the better training for the police.
“Gennaco, hired in August, said his report will take about 20 minutes and will address “issues that don’t generally impact the criminal case. … ”
So he will take 20 min to try to convince people that what is right in front of there face is not as it seems, the sky is pink, the grass is red, dogs talk and cats can waltz. And police only need better training so they don’t kill unarmed helpless homless men, better training will stop them from molesting woman in the back of police cars, mabey a weekend seminar on how not to file false reports to cover up there own wrongs.
Mabey I will be proven wrong and he will actually say something with some meaning, mabey he will end his show by making the 3 dits disappear, POOF the coverup and corruption ends. Mabey to much to ask.
#21 by Concerned Texan on February 17, 2012
I’ve started watching them live over the internet. There is a link from the City of Fullerton website. They would be 3 hours behind you I think, if you’re interested in watching them.
#22 by Lifesaving Service on February 17, 2012
City Council meeting videos are arranged by date, with the most recent at the top of the list. Click Video to watch the meeting with documents, or Agenda / Minutes to see just the documents.
http://www.ci.fullerton.ca.us/about/meetings_live.asp#bodyTop
#23 by Bob from Baltimore on February 17, 2012
Thanks, I will have to do that.
#24 by Peaches on February 17, 2012
4:30 meeting would be 7:30 in Balmer
AND, for even more fun, Public Comments is part of the agenda for that special meeting
The 6:30 meeting would be 10:30 in Balmer; if it goes as long as the last one did (after 1 a.m. Pacific) that makes for a long night…
#25 by Lifesaving Service on February 17, 2012
They are all Archive I think for many years, you can see and fast forward later.
#26 by Lifesaving Service on February 17, 2012
Correction, ARCHIVED.
#27 by Wrong Guy on February 17, 2012
20 minutes to present his report that took him 6 months to complete?
He’d better have some profound discovery of corruption on many counts concerning the Kelly Thomas murder, other than a 20 minute ‘snow job’!
#28 by van get it da artiste on February 17, 2012
I don’t think the public is getting their money’s worth with the OCHRC since it seems clueless to the fulllerton pd’s abuses upon our community. and I find this to be very strange as both rusty kennedy and pat mckinley are long-time residents of fullerton and Pat McKinley served for years as the only member of law enforcement on rusty’s OCHRC? Can anyone answer this question?”
Will Gennaco answer this question?
#29 by merijoe on February 17, 2012
Speaking of which-why ISNT a pictures of Rincon the molester, released?, does anyone know what he looks like?
That’s the first thing “Transparent, Dan” should do.
What about Quick Silver? She should be one of the first one to yell about getting a picture of this groping abomination out there.
#30 by Evrything's just Shell on February 17, 2012
The city Attrny Jones, stated under the law- they arent allowed to release a fofo of a guy, he wasnt charged with anything…he said the numbers section, whatever,stroke 2 states…blah blah blah…so we cant have his foto,but I say anyone with this guys foto…give to me I will post everywhere? starting with the college, city college,highschools and schoools,,then on to the mixers..youwant your pretty daughter going to CSUF…wha? here is a story, the judges report and his foto…
#31 by Infiltrator on February 17, 2012
YOU should know Andy G.
#32 by merijoe on February 17, 2012
Yeah, someone has to know what the freak looks like,
To Count Chocula the city atty I say, under the law my ass, if it was me that was accused and not charged of picking flowers from a park, the po pos would stream my photo on TV and on the internet.
I say lets get on a mission of finding this chaps photo, its the right thing.
#33 by Reality Is on February 17, 2012
Has a picture of Rincon really never been found? In this day and age that seems almost impossible. Maybe he was just always on graveyards and never in public. High school picture? College? Academy?
#34 by Wrong Guy on February 17, 2012
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/cop-car-300×199.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/tag/sexual-assault/&h=199&w=300&sz=14&tbnid=300gfR5F0CswXM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=136&zoom=1&docid=wSrfcSHVydf3WM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MaU-T5L6NenhiALP4dCtAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CF0Q9QEwCQ&dur=4209
#35 by nipsey on February 17, 2012
Maybe it’s hiding with that “proof” of those “lies” you were talking about. How’s that going, anyway? Are you and OJ still looking for the real killers?
#36 by Jane H on February 17, 2012
You are funny Nipsey! Keep it up.
#37 by QuickSilver's Shifty Eyes on February 17, 2012
Since Rincon was OUR police officer, we must protect him from the ‘lynch-mob’ type citizens of Fullerton…
Sorry, no photo for you…
#38 by merijoe on February 17, 2012
Also, I don’t know how Quick-Silver could beat her chest at the last council meeting by insisting passionately, that shes all about justice, when she sat on her butt year after year since 2004, knowing what Rincon and Mckinley allowed to happen to women without asking any questions, agreeing and signing the 10% illegal water tax again, without asking any damn questions.
And there’s more she let slide without doing crap about.
#39 by Lifesaving Service on February 17, 2012
“I would tend to ascribe the same analysis to those of your readers who choose to attack the victim and his family. My suspicion is that these individuals suffer from a severe personality defect in which pleasure in the attempt to induce pain on others is the result of a lack of positive accomplishment and more specifically, the absence of non-auto erotic gratification. The lack of mature observation and demonstrable education in the instances I have observed also indicates the strong possibility that these people may, in fact, be children posing as adults.
Well, thank you for that Dr. Ott. This explains a lot.”
http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/a-pysychological-profile/
#686 by Reality Is on August 30, 2011
Just like any system, if you have that zoom ability and are focusing directly in on something, yes. But if it’s a camera just monitoring an area it wouldn’t be set like that. Plus this area if you pan to the right has the trees and poles. I’m sure you will see the entire video soon enough.
#687 by Reality Is on August 30, 2011
Good for you. Believe me, the other side wants to speak and tell their story but they can’t. Not until this is all resolved. I don’t think anyone in their right mind would talk right now. Would only lead to more open interpretation. That all needs to be saved for the courtroom. Good luck tomorrow with the interview.
#59 by Reality Is on August 11, 2011
I’ve said that from the start. There is more to the story than the activists are leading people to believe. Ol’ innocent homeless drug addict Kelly was a little more violent and a pain the ass than people realize. Ol’ papa and the family didn’t just abandon him with no hope for nothing. He had injured the family enough. Schizo is all people are saying now but he was a dope head too. If it goes to trial, due to PR reasons, ol’ Kelly’s past will be laid out for everyone to see. Every part of it. Family will be called to testify, as well as every other person that experienced his anger and violence. Will be hard for any jury to not decide that reasonable force was used due to his running and fighting.
#40 by Infiltrator on February 17, 2012
Yeah, and it looks like it’s COLD down there…LOL
#41 by Wrong Guy on February 17, 2012
Gets little with anabolic steroid usage too!
#42 by Infiltrator on February 17, 2012
See my #25 comment.
#43 by The Mystic on February 17, 2012
Some, like Wolfe and Ramos are just fat fucks.
#44 by Evrything's just Shell on February 17, 2012
sssssssssssssharon has no moral compass.
#45 by Wrong Guy on February 17, 2012
Below is a statement from a bulletin on the FBI website in regards to Police Corruption:
In working toward the goals of a department, the top executives play a primary role in forming the organizational climate. Those who strive to maintain a high standard of ethical conduct can serve as the key to prevent corruption and maintain the public’s trust. As one researcher explained, principled leaders do not act to protect their own egos, try to put on a good appearance without substance in their decisions or efforts, or attempt to intimidate those under them. Instead, principle-based executives who work with their subordinates can take an important step toward creating an ethical climate by developing an agenda that explains the moral purposes of the department.
Hopefully someone at FBI will be driving this home to the FPD.
#46 by van get it da artiste on February 17, 2012
and an annual $300,000 for rusty Kennedy’s Orange county Human Relations commission(OCHRC) and its conjunction with OC DA Rackauckas community police forums to facilitate communication between communities and their respective police forces and the OCHRC mission statement to act as a “clearinghouse” for the community’s complaints regarding civil rights abuses committed upon them by the local police. I don’t think the public is getting their money’s worth with the OCHRC since it seems clueless to the fulllerton pd’s abuses upon our community. and I find this to be very strange as both rusty kennedy and pat mckinley are long-time residents of fullerton and Pat McKinley served for years as the only member of law enforcement on rusty’s OCHRC? Can anyone answer this question?
#47 by truthseeker on February 17, 2012
Everytime I watch this account I am reminded what fools these officers are. They are paid a decent wage to do somewhat of a dangerous job and given authority and our trust to maintain law and order and to protect and serve. The aforementioned is not meant to include ruining peoples careers, lives, or ending a human’s existence for that matter. When the public trust is violated, the authority is abused and the public is mocked and insulted in the face of righteous indignation, I also am reminded what fools their families and friends are for backing this abuse of power. By the way-SILENCE IS COMPLICITY-your friendly reminder. I remember conversations I had with some criminal defense attorneys that are clients of mine prior to my moving to my current Fullerton residence from the Westside some years back. I was warned to avoid the downtown area, of the departments strong arm tactics including beating people up, FRAMING people and falsifying reports. They begrudgingly admitted that it was good for business FOR THEM. It was a rather stern warning I might add and logically I heeded it as I my wife and I have no need to head south for the evening. Brea suits us just fine. I know there will come a day when heading south may again be a viable option. In the meantime I have faith in our political system and the brave folks who dare to stand in the gap. Water always seeks its own level so for now the cameras will keep rolling and the world will keep watching. We will eventually get to see if it is really true that the truth will stand on its own and it is never too late to do the right thing. I for one am very optimistic.
#48 by Erin on February 17, 2012
I’m still waiting for the cops who say they do not condone this kind of behavior and are not like this to step forward and admit it to everyone. I won’t hold my breath.
#49 by Evrything's just Shell on February 19, 2012
One just told us at the stop sign…ok I waved himd own asking why there was 7 solo cups in the gutter, next to the PD..I asked if they even looked out the window..SWEAR..I asked..but he stated, “just so you know there are plenty of us,who support you,but have been asked to be a robot:……swear it happened this morning….whether he was sincere or not,dont know- just relayin-Erin, I bet he thought I was an absolute idiot..when I said…Hey—-c;mon really? lookie here..he even laughed when I said…its true-if your gonna commit a crime do it in their back yard…lord love a duck…true story.
#50 by Wrong Guy on February 17, 2012
https://www.google.com/search?q=albert+rincon&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=709&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=MaU-T5L6NenhiALP4dCtAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CFYQsAQ
#51 by Concerned Texan on February 17, 2012
I love how most of the pictures on the search are of McKinnley. It made me laugh a little.
#52 by merijoe on February 17, 2012
There are lots of images of people named Albert Rincon here, how can you be sure any of these are him?
#53 by Wrong Guy on February 17, 2012
I’m not, but that’s what came up on my Google search.
Unfortunately we have to speculate about a great deal of crap concerning Fullerton PD thanks to their secrecy.
#54 by merijoe on February 17, 2012
or unless, someone knows what he looks like-there’s got to be someone out there
#55 by Evrything's just Shell on February 19, 2012
people people he goes by Al Rincon,he is on link’d, or alumni, CSUF,los angles area police Union or group…try those .
#56 by Paul Lucas on February 17, 2012
A list! A List! Half my kingdom for a list. ….of all Brady Cops in Orange County that is.
#57 by Reality Is on February 17, 2012
Zero. Just ask Tony Rak.
#58 by the streets of fullerton on February 17, 2012
Candidate for city council.2012. http://www.gregsebourn.com/
Two candidates out there I wonder who the third will be.
#59 by the streets of fullerton on February 17, 2012
Sylvia Palmer Mudrick, the city’s public information coordinator announced :
“Gennaco will make a second report……
to the council in March or April. In that report he will review the police department’s overall policies and procedures.
A third report…..
will be given to acting Police Chief Dan Hughes that focuses specifically on the death of Thomas.”
My question is why is Dan Hughes presenting the most important part of the case, the third report, detailing the death of Thomas. If The Los Angeles County Office of Independent Review is being hired to make an investigation why can’t they make the most important part of the presentation?Hughes has already stated that he is not seeing the culture of corruption that citizens are complaining about. Can we expect any real change when OIR is just passing baton back to Hughes.
#60 by the streets of fullerton on February 17, 2012
test…this should be post #55 it seems posting is going out of order
#61 by the streets of fullerton on February 17, 2012
Infiltrator moved from post #54 to #55
this next post should be #56
#62 by the streets of fullerton on February 17, 2012
it appears the last six posts are keeping thier positions.
#63 by The Mystic on February 17, 2012
Gets you a bit dizzy, huh? Keeps the trolls on their toes.
Oops. I mean hooves.
#64 by Jaynbond on February 17, 2012
Wrong, you aren’t gettin’ how it works. You may want the whole thing to go to your way of thinking but the initial report is not about the conduct of the police officers in regards to Kelly Thomas. Gennaco was hired to determine the conduct of the whole department as regards to the policies and procedures, not necessarily the direct facts of the KT case.
#65 by The Mystic on February 18, 2012
Wrong, as usual. He was hired to do both, and even has two separate contracts. Jeez, you’re ignorant.
The Gennaco report on the Six will be used to determine employment and therefore will be hush hush. They will even cook up reasons Whitaker can’t see it!
#66 by Tuco Ramirez on February 18, 2012
“and a nasty and expensive lawsuit waiting in the wings”. Actually make that TWO nasty and expensive lawsuits. The one with Kelly Thomas and the one with the vietnamese guy who Joe S. discusses so eloquently in the lead article.
I foresee a water tax of 25% for paying for bloated PD phonies like Andy Goodlie, sexual perversions allowed against women, a hanging in jail with a busted recorder (busted by the police officer), stealing, lying under oath, sending someone to jail and trial with the two lying cops, and a killing under color of authority.
Fullerton folks, it gets very expensive indeed to have a bloated police department represented by their bloated spokesperson Sgt. Andrew Goodlie who receives $125,000 per year to lie to the public and eat donuts.
#67 by Lifesaving Service on February 18, 2012
3 pending cases.
#68 by Cody on February 19, 2012
Anyone else think the description for this video and the commnets for it are ridiculous? Dat’s excessive! Record dat!
#69 by The Mystic on February 19, 2012
Yes it’s hard to figure out who is dumber – the downtown customers or the rogue cops turned out to beat them into drunken submission.
Here’s the drill: Jones’ campaign contributors liquor ‘em up and McCueBall’s goons smack them into line.
And that’s mad excessive!