Comments on: Long Time Fullerton Resident Baxter Knocks It Out of Park!

By: The Eagle Has Landed

The Eagle Has Landed — Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:48:01 +0000

Stop projecting, Ron, you sleazy piece of crap.

By: Jurnalist

Jurnalist — Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:22:04 +0000

Mr. Anonymous :Bax is what a principled progressive ought to be: a man of the people. You on the other hand are a pompous, self-aggrandizing fraud, posing as a progressive. For the sake of progressives in Fullerton and everywhere, learn when the hell to shut up. Which would be usually.

Bax and principle-hardly- the two have never met.

By: HUH?

HUH? — Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:39:15 +0000

What makes you think these cops intentionally hurt anyone. Read what Qualified Immunity says instead of talking without knowing what you are talking about. Ask Greg Diamond. He put it on his blog. The Orange Juice. He knows what he is talking about. Do not follow the dummies that say things they do not know what they are talking about.

By: TillThen

TillThen — Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:11:41 +0000

Does qualified immunity apply to illegal acts, acts against department policy and perjury? Does it apply when intentionally violating one’s oath of office, and concurrently the Constitution of the United States? Does it apply to acts of vigilantism?

If so, then let’s do away with due process for the perpetrators on the bus station video, and let’s have at it. One person on the video has received the death penalty for being the “wrong” kind of person. My definition of the “wrong” kind of person involves those who would shamelessly murder as a gang, and expect no retribution. It makes me wonder how many nameless people are buried in a potter’s field, who had no father to take a death-bed photo, and no blogger to publish it.

By: anonyface

anonyface — Thu, 06 Sep 2012 10:21:02 +0000

The good questions always get ignored.

By: Kanani

Kanani — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:55:09 +0000

BRAVO. It’s important to note that while Baxter references Thomas specifically, that there are MANY just like him living on the edge of this community. It’s NOT about us supporting or wearing bracelets of T-shirts extoling the police department, the issue is making it clear that they are there for EVERYONE regardless of bank account or influence.
So bravo to Baxter! What a refreshing and pointed statement, and yes, We’ve got your six!

Please see my blog about another issue that came up yesterday in Aliso Viejo. But again, it’s about Veterans –a group that desperately needs assistance in communities everywhere as they transition from battleground to civilian life.
Coming home might not be easy, but it shouldn’t be the same hell as war.

By: LeRoy Murray

LeRoy Murray — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:31:11 +0000

And maybe this is exactly why we shouldn’t be hiring ex-military for police officers. That “presumably in the belief that the reaction of the officers on the scene legitimately demanded it” They don’t think for themselves, or question what they see, they act without full knowledge assuming the other cops are in the right. We now know better, and they should know better moreso than us being as they are on the inside, hearing the laughter, jokes and stories in the locker room. I agree and have said there are good cops, but until they start doing something about the bad ones, honoring Serpico, instead of the fat bad cop on Hill St. they’re no better, none at all. There’s no excuse that’s good enough. Hiring non-military that qualify may help.

By: Greg Diamond

Greg Diamond — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:26:35 +0000

No, these are fair questions. Cops have rights to engage in actions, including use of deadly force, that you and I don’t. That’s why it’s worth paying for good cops — and worth making sure that we actually do get what we pay for (as I think has not been the case in Fullerton.)

If people intentionally get involved in an illegal activity that leads to a murder, then they can be prosecuted under the felony murder rule. Here I’m citing from memory, but if a reasonable person in their situation didn’t know that it was clearly illegal — and for all the latecomers knew, Kelly could have had a weapon — or if they were unaware that illegal action was taking place (they probably knew that Cicinelli was down there doing something to Kelly, but were they playing close enough attention to process that he was doing something crazy?), then the rule that would apply to you or me in that situation would not apply to them.

There are other differences and other exceptions too, but those two should be enough to explain why I don’t accept your analogy.

(And, for the benefit of newcomers, I think that FPD handled it really badly and I think that Cicinelli committed a crime.)

By: LeRoy Murray

LeRoy Murray — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:16:46 +0000

Ok, I understand you’re probably getting bored, but let’s try this. You’ve got a guy sitting minding his own business, and a couple neo-nazis carrying bats come up, and one sits down a couple feet away and the other goes over and hassles the other guy, the other guy gets up and takes off, but the second nazi swings his bat knocking him down and they start to hold him down and beat him while the second uses his handsfree cell to call his buddies for help. The first two are laying and kneeling on the first guy beating the crap out of him when three of their buddies show up in their pickups and a Trans Am. The nazi in the Trans Am comes running seeing his buddies beating this guy and figuring the guy did something wrong jumps on and using the taser he’d bought mail order started tasering the guy over and over, not seeing or too caught up in the moment to see the guys just laying there, meanwhile the other two late comers just stood there not wanting to get too involved, or not wanting to get bloody, or seeing that it’s wrong what’s going on but these are friends and comrades that need support, so they stay on the edges holding him down or adding their weight. But they don’t, do not, try to stop it. Finally the third nazi runs his taser down and starts beating the victim in the face over and over. Right here I’m not equating the original participants with neo-nazis it’s just the first thing that came to mind, no disrespect intended to the cops or to neo-nazis. Anyway of the six #1 started the beating, #2 was also involved in the beating as he struck the first blow and participated in the beating itself, #3 no question participated in the beating and caused or helped to cause the death, #’s 4 &5 at the very least accessories before and after. Were they too stupid to see something was wrong, to question, to stop it? Finally if it was real gangmembers, or drunks, anyone without badges, all six would have been arrested, arraigned, jailed or out on bail, tried, and Jailed most likely or found innocent. Right? There’d have been no question of meeting the “legal definition” of murder. back on the job next day laughing in the locker room, no paid vacation, etc.

By: Greg Diamond

Greg Diamond — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 05:43:42 +0000

The three officers in question didn’t beat him at all. They helped to hold him down, but presumably in the belief that the reaction of the officers on the scene legitimately demanded it. With full knowledge, maybe they should have instead taken out a baton and knocked Cicinelli into July 7th, but we don’t want our officers making those judgments on incomplete information.

I don’t think that you understand the term “resisting arrest.” Yes, Kelly absolutely did resist arrest — for understandable reasons, because it was at best an ill-informed arrest and at worst was pure malicious bullcrap. And yet — you run away from an officer who just tried to knock you down with a baton and you sure are resisting arrest. (You just may have a really good defense to the charge.)