“I Probably Hired Them All”

Thus announced Pat McKinley on CNN with a cavalier, off-hand tone in his voice. Of course he was referring to the six cops involved in the beating death of Kelly Thomas. No, McKinley. Not “probably.” You did hire them all and you knew it. Plus Rincon, Mater, Power, Mejia, Tong, and all the others. Check this out:

 

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136 thoughts on ““I Probably Hired Them All”

  1. HEY EVERYONE!!!!

    Did any of you notice as to Cincinelli that McKinley was appointing him as a RESERVE Police Officer??

    Was Cincinelli a reserve at first, then got appointed to regular PAID status?

    Or was Cincinelli a PAID reserve cop at the time of Kelly’s murder?

    I saw that CNN interview, I was laughing at some of McKinley’s answers knowing full well he was lying through his teeth.

    At this time most of us should have NOTICED that McKinley has become the City and FPD spokesperson.

    But ONLY becasue he knows just A LITTLE bit of information he is willing to share.

    Where the hell is the MAYOR???? LOST in the clouds, or been told to shut up by the 3 Amigos?

  2. President Lincoln made a well-known comment, to the effect that most anyone can adapt to adversity, but that the true measure of a man’s character, is how he handles the grant of authority. Lord Acton, writing around the time of World War II, said that “power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. The Puritans believed that democracy was superior to monarchy, because the “check and balance” system tended to thwart the inevitable tendency of humans to act corruptly.
    The Apostle Paul teaches us, repeadtedly,that we are all sinful by nature, and every one of us has the potential to let some power or authority cause us to act wickedly. So we do not come to sit in judgment of these officers, so much as we come, collectively through elections and recalls, to set each other “in check”, and to take steps to restrain our employees, agents, and officials from very wrongful acts.
    So I tend to think that there was nothing particularly wrong with most of these new hires. Instead, they were conditioned over a period of years by a whole culture of managerial “blind-eye turning” — overlooking and ignoring symptoms of bad behavior.
    Best wishes, WSH

  3. Wow.. Finally an honest statement out of McKinley’s mouth. Too bad it’s not one that can help him keep his council seat. And to think when he made the statement “he probably hired them”, he had a huge chip on his shoulder. FFFF just knocked it off.. Bravo!!

  4. He is well connected and cut from the same cloth as other LE brass all over the place. A courageous 3% segment of the population and some cash is all it ever takes to affect change. This blog and its contributors have that covered. May other cities 3% follow Fullerton’s lead. Government corruption is only going to worsen in the days ahead in lockstep with the planned implosion of the economy. It appears that Fullerton is at the cusp of dodging the bullet. Hopefully other cities will wake up before it is too late as well.

  5. Wrong Guy :
    I did notice that, however he must have moved up the ranks as he is referred to as a Corporal.

    So there was not only a corporal but a sergeant on scene, and NO ONE could call time out before this thing turned into a murder. Pathetic.

    Like freakin sharks circling blood in the water.

    Thanks Wrong Guy!!!

    1. The sergeant you spoke of and Blatney rolled up within seconds of the fire department arriving on scene. The fight was already over and there was nothing they could have done to stop anything. I’ve shared this before on here, but people don’t want to hear it.

      Source of this info, the eyes on the front of my head. I was there that night watching from a distance.

        1. Like I said, people don’t want to hear it. Besides, the DA’s report released to the public a few months ago verifies what I observed pertaining to Craig and Blatney.

          1. The DAs “report” exonerated Wolfe and Hampton, too. I believe Wolfe to be intimately involved in the set-up and the beat down.

      1. Craig and Blatney? Are those the good cops who witnessed a murder and blew the whistle to warn the public that there were killers with badges walking among us?

        No. That never happened.

      2. It ia not that we don’t want to hear it, but that we are being denied the right to se it. We will remain skeptical as long as we know the evidence is being withheld.

    2. #38 by Lifesaving Service on February 7, 2012
      Every time I see that Neon sign in front of the Police Station, I cant help but think it should transform to say POLICE DEATH STATION.
      Because it used to be a Hotel and this would make the very best Horror Movie, but no “I wish it was JUST THAT.” (a Horror Movie)

              1. Someone here should grab and edit video of tonight’s session about Bob’s Towing there is so much interesting tidbits there.

                1. Dick Jones just told somebody to contact the Chamber of Commerce to get them on her side. What the hell will that accomplish?

                2. In his warped mind you don’t have standing unless you’re one of the Chamber of Horror lackeys. Justice means nothing to HeeHaw.

          1. Why don’t you just ban him from posting if you feel the need to delete his posts? That’d make more sense than spending the time deleting them.

    3. 1. Fucknut 436 up, 50 down UrbanDictionary
      1. A person who is so annoying and dumb that they can no longer be classed as an idiot and therefore a new level of idiot was created for them, the Fucknut.
      2. A person who as shit for brains (that’s if they lucky).
      3. A person who was dropped from a tall building at birth.
      4. Also see: Alex Glumac
      5. RI FFFF

  6. I thought McKinley was ordered not to speak about the case, it being Unlawful and Unconstitutional and all, by Count Chocula the city attorney.

    “But its hereby lawful and constitutional if its CNN that you talk to”

  7. AntiCorruptionUnit :

    Wrong Guy :I did notice that, however he must have moved up the ranks as he is referred to as a Corporal.

    So there was not only a corporal but a sergeant on scene, and NO ONE could call time out before this thing turned into a murder. Pathetic.
    Like freakin sharks circling blood in the water.
    Thanks Wrong Guy!!!

    As I sit here at work (business has been slow) and ponder over your “NO ONE could call time out” remark, I couldn’t help but think about that informant who John & Ken interviewed on their show back in August.
    We all know everything this man said, came to fruition when we heard Tony Rauckaukus deliver the charges 3 months later, and we’ve still yet to see the tape where according to the informant and some of the eye witnesses, Cicinnelli delivered a couple of ‘knee-drops’ to Kelly Thomas.

    My question now is, where is that informant?
    Who was the informant?
    Has he gone to the FBI with all he knows?

    He admitted to reviewing the pole-cam tape a couple of times.

    What are your thouhts on this ACU? Anyone?

  8. peanut :Can Mc Kinnley be named in the civil suit as one of the defends?

    Well, I and many other certainly hope so!
    Not only that, I would like to see McKinley, McHughes, McSellers, McRamos, McCicinelli, McFourothercops and whoever else I missed that has ANYTHING to do with FPD corruption on the witness stand in a Federal Court.
    Then I would like to see them found ‘Guilty’ of perjury, murder, civil rights violations, etc.
    Then, to top it all off, a 5 to life stay in a Club Fed….

    FEDERAL INDICTMENTS! YEAH!

  9. From #9 above: “they were conditioned over a period of years by a whole culture of managerial “blind-eye turning” — overlooking and ignoring symptoms of bad behavior.” …Agreed, some of his hires might have been ok upon the hiring date, but over time took on and acted like the mentor.

    You know what the “old saying” is: S_ _ _ runs down hill…So, the one at the top is responsible for whatever happens below. They may not be able to stop it before it happens, but how they handle it from that point, matters. And, how they handle the training and, policy and procedures ongoing is what is going to tell if the one at the top is good or bad….so I guess in this case where McKinley is concerned is pretty obvious…BAD!

    What about Rincon, Mater, Power, Mejia, Tong, is there a way to find out who hired them and what is their date of hire?

  10. Its not McPension, its McSatan

    Syria 7000 of its own citizens killed recently, OC and McSatan, number of its own citizens killed and mammed, UNKNOWN.

    Syria recently headed The United Nations Human Rights Council, McSatan, Orange County Human Relations Commission(OCHRC)

    Its what happens afterwards, that he is responsible for, the evidence and witness tampering was BLATANT. Even US Presidents get into serious trouble for covering up stuff.

    1. “Its what happens afterwards, that he is responsible for, the evidence and witness tampering was BLATANT. Even US Presidents get into serious trouble for covering up stuff.”

      That was also a reply about Blatney.

  11. #61 by van get it da artiste on December 9, 20, FFFF Comment
    And let us not forget ex-Fullerton police chief and proud member of the Orange County Human Relations(OCHRC), Fullerton council person Pat McKinley’s colleague, Rusty Kennedy. The same Rusty Kennedy who was given a glowing recommendation from Pat McKInley to act as head of the Fullerton Task Force on Homelessness. Now, how would Pat McKinley know Rusty would do a good job directing this task force? Because Rusty Kennedy also is the CEO of the OCHRC who acts as a clearing house for OC residents who complain their civil rights have been violated by law enforcement. Now, maybe it is just me, but I find it strange that Fullerton Police Dept.’s long history of police abuse upon our community never caught the attention of Rusty Kennedy and his commission.I wonder if this was due to then Fullerton Police Chief Pat McKinley serving on the board of same commission. I’m sure Rusty Kennedy will do a good job as director of the Fullerton Task Force On Homelessness in Fullerton, just ask his colleague, Pat McKinley.

    It’s Been 5 Months Since a Man was Murdered by the Fullerton Police. Who’s Been Fired?
    http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2011/its-been-5-months-since-a-man-was-murdered-by-the-fullerton-police-whos-been-fired/

  12. Justice For Kelly Thomas
    Just a reminder that this coming Tuesday 2/7/12 is the Fullerton city council meeting. We need ALL Kelly’s Army to come and demand that the city clear Kelly’s name!! The city has told many lies and some people question what actually happened the evening of July 5, 2011. Everyone deserves to know the truth!! LET’S DEMAND IT!!!
    ♥ ♥ ♥ JUSTICE FOR KELLY THOMAS ♥ ♥ ♥

  13. “If somebody says there is a culture of corruption, they’re either lying, they have other motives or they are grossly misinformed.” —–Police Chief Dan Hughes—
    ***********************************************************
    Justice for Kelly Thomas Is About More Than the Police Officers Who Killed Him This attempt to circumvent justice went all the way up the ladder to the chief of police.

    http://t.co/26aSDbXz

      1. Every time I see that Neon sign in front of the Police Station, I cant help but think it should transform to say POLICE DEATH STATION.
        Because it used to be a Hotel and this would make the very best Horror Movie, but no “I wish it was JUST THAT.” (a Horror Movie)

  14. Below is a different, newer type of Demon.

    “The demon is a mob, and the mob is demonic. The Democratic Party activates mobs, depends on mobs, coddles mobs, publicizes and celebrates mobs—it is the mob. Sweeping in its scope and relentless in its argument, Demonic explains the peculiarities of liberals as standard groupthink behavior. To understand mobs is to understand liberals.”

    1. Your right! Your right! Those their libralls group thinking beating Kelly Thomas to death. all librralls. we aint taking this no more!

      Everythig in life come down to libralls screwing us, tax and spend! Nanci Pelosi!

  15. My dad used to say “if you give a guy a long enough rope he’ll eventually hang himself”.
    And I’ve also heard “what goes around comes around”…so we’re hoping for all that to happen in this case with RECALLING the Three Amigos.

  16. 1. Fucknut 436 up, 50 down
    1. A person who is so annoying and dumb that they can no longer be classed as an idiot and therefore a new level of idiot was created for them, the Fucknut.
    2. A person who as shit for brains (that’s if they lucky).
    3. A person who was dropped from a tall building at birth.
    4. Also see: Alex Glumac
    5. R.I. FFFF
    “Fucking fucknut.”

      1. Reality Is :The posting order is all jacked up. If I post new it owes up in the middle and if I reply it goes on the end.

        You got that right…
        Somethings wacky here…
        Admin, get your IT guy on this one…

  17. Maybe BUTT…

    Every time I see that Neon sign in front of the Police Station, I cant help but think it should transform to say POLICE DEATH STATION.
    Because it used to be a Hotel and this would make the very best Horror Movie, but no “I wish it was JUST THAT.” (a Horror Movie)

  18. I truly believe it could have been “ANYBODY”, According to Law and Order TV, “They can go either way, Good Officer, or Major Criminal, Det. Gorens Dad was A Serial Sadistic Murderer.

    Its usually about escalation in crimes, usually starting with animals and probably children.

  19. runningair :
    The sergeant you spoke of and Blatney rolled up within seconds of the fire department arriving on scene. The fight was already over and there was nothing they could have done to stop anything. I’ve shared this before on here, but people don’t want to hear it.
    Source of this info, the eyes on the front of my head. I was there that night watching from a distance.

    Ok, that is good to know, thank you. I don’t hear it, but I read it.

    The Sergeant WILL get tagged for what happened after that on the “use of force” investigation, or HE WILL tell the truth on the stand as to how he was instructed to handle the situation AFTER the fact.

    We still have more than enough facts with the delay in the”put on administrative leave” to strongly suggest the Sergeant simply played as ordered in the OBVIOUS cover up until FFFF blew this case wide open.

    Still and accessory to a homicide. Just because the DA isn’t filing doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

    If the Sergeant get’s on the stand and isn’t asked the tuff questions by the DDA, then we will know the DA is giving a pass on the initial cover up.

  20. Was that McKinley’s brother who stood up in public comments and essentially said he was the best thing since sliced bread? And, if he thinks McKinley is “good” for Fullerton, why doesn’t he live in Fullerton?

    1. This guy, isnt from here, comes to the court house and tries to pretend to hang with the cops…they hate his ass too…he just doesnt belong any where but as aligned himself blindly to PAt Mc KInly his hero–you have to understand this is the guy who single-handedly will make sure mckinley isnt recalled…over his dead body…well, be careful what you wish for doug the tag douche bag man…I thought when you went directly to my boyfreind and he called you a baffoon, and he is the nicest guy on the planet says your a bag of suck…its bad…

    1. I love how Ego Thomas smacked down Bruce Whitaker and threw the 3 blind mice a life preserver.

      “Thank you Mr. Thomas you made it easy for us” – Boss Hog

    1. The whole world has already seen several videos surrounding the incident and heard audio. The proceedings have not been jeopordized.

      The city attorney stumbling around to protect his ass because he knows he will be fired when the recall is over.

  21. I just tuned into the council meeting. What the hell is going on with the discussion about Bob’s Towing? What have I missed?

  22. When I think of the term “suck it up, buttercup”, I do not think of the major sucking up that the three endangered political species did when the subject of Bruce reviewing the tape came up. What an opportunity for them. I hope they can get the brown off their noses before the next council meeting.

    For the record – I do not want to see the video but I think Bruce should be allowed to review it. I understand Sharon’s point but with most believing McKinley has seen it and quite possibly the other two as well, it really doesn’t matter. Without knowing (believing) who has seen it or not, the council as a whole should be treated as if all has seen it.

  23. McKinley became fullerton’s police chief in 1993. If Fullerton PD had a rogue element then, it seem to bloom under McKinley.
    Prior to gracing our city with his philosophy, McKinley worked for Los Angeles PD and was one of the founding members of SWAT where he was involved in a shoot out with a black radical group in Los Angeles.
    The Fullerton PD’s pattern of brutality towards Fullerton’s community has existed for nearly two decades. This is due to McKinley blowing into our town and playing bedroom city commando.
    McKinley’s policing philosophy rode roughshod over the docile community of Fullerton. With McKinley in charge of Fullerton PD, bums were roughed up and shoved out of the city limits, female detainees were sexually molested in Fullerton PD squad cars, suspicious jail suicides, beatings, excessive force, false arrest, perjury. The abuses were admired by Kommandent McKinley until eventually, the commando philosophy gave Fullerton PD the belief they could beat a disabled, homeless man to death in the street in full view of a bus station full of commuters and not worry about any repercussions for murdering a disabled , 130 pound man.
    Adding a strange twist on this story is the fact that during Kommandant McKinley’s reign of terror as Fullerton police chief, he also served as a board member on Fullerton resident Rusty Kennedy’s Orange County Human Relations Commission, a commission devoted to improving relations between law enforcement and the communities they police.
    I just don’t get it, so not one person who was abused by Fullerton PD ever complained to Kennedy’s Orange County Human Relations commission that states it acts as a “clearinghouse” and mediator for the community’s complaints of civil rights abuses committed by the police upon them?

    1. “I just don’t get it, so not one person who was abused by Fullerton PD ever complained to Kennedy’s Orange County Human Relations commission that states it acts as a “clearinghouse” and mediator for the community’s complaints of civil rights abuses committed by the police upon them?”

      I don’t get it either except for the possibility that the the OCHRC is only for show, and the only people who don’t know that are the residents of OC.

  24. Last nights council meeting, I swear no one can make this $hit up. Weenie boy made a horses a$$ of himself AGAIN.

    I’ll tell you though, Bob’s Towing has a legitimate suit against FPD. The presentation by Leonard Ledbetter was a absolute smear tactic. This goes to show that this department can not stop with the lies and corruption.

  25. First off…who gave Dick speed? he was semi alert last night..I went home and came back it was funny..we kept saying did he just say that..we had to goover and more pearls of wisdom spewing…and why is OUR city atty defending-the DA..does the DA not have a quiver of lawyers to defend him…or is it the lawyer is pissed that he actually may have to decide something…that would be nice,considering you work for us…anyone who saw that meeting will know how bad it is in Fullerton….

  26. Some of the speakers really should be coached on what to say, and how to say it. The level of drama and theatrics displayed by some is absurd and just falls on deaf ears. Such comments and accusations from these individuals will obviously be ignored by the council and do nothing to advance a cause. Showing your ignorance and immaturity by accusing people of certain things and calling names just lowers the speaker to a grade school level of intellect.

    1. I agree that screaming and irrelevant shouting accomplish very little – except maybe to fray the frayed nerves of the Three Ruptured RINOs.

      A much better approach would be a calm reciting of the deeds of the crooked cops in the Culture of Corruption; the crony capitalism in favor of campaign contributors; the redevelopment boondoggles; the 15 years of illegal water taxes, etc.

      But, hey, it’s a free country.

          1. IMO the the most profound speakers are the usual ones, such as Ron Thomas, Barry Levinson and the one that referred to Jones last night as ‘The Carperbagger from Texas’.

            Most of the other speakers could use some Toastmasters support.

      1. I don’t have a problem with a speaker being forceful in their delivery, but name calling and belligerence will get you nowhere!!

  27. Did anyone notice Pat McKinley’s Mini-Me get up and speak after Barry Levinson’s comments?

    The ol’ goon has the Kevlar Dome and dresses like McKinley.

    Like the other 2 McKinley supporters who get up and speak he was too cowardly to leave his name, however he did admit he doesn’t live in Fullerton.

    1. Where the hell is my order…if you live here and have a bit of grey matter left in what we call a cranium, you too would need pills to digest all this…where do I sign up…Spunky no fair….

  28. Is this what David Zenger does in Shawn Nelson’s office? Write posts for FFFF? Does Zenger think McKinley should have been able to see the future?

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