Do The Right Thing


Here’s a great video of  the courageous Marlena Carrillo questioning Patdown McPension for hiring a one-eyed cop retired on disability from the LAPD; and Sharon Quirk, who wants to move up the political ladder leaving lots of unfinished business behind; and the Acting Police Chief  Dan Hughes for leaving a gang of killer cops on the streets of Fullerton after having watched and listened to the video and audio recordings of the Kelly Thomas murder.

The theme? Have you done the right thing? As Marlena points out, quite correctly, doing the right thing is not always easy, but it is what we expect from our leaders. The deafening silence from the dais in instructive.

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Today, June 5th, 2012 you can join us in doing the right thing: sweeping out City Hall of the incompetent, sclerotic, unaccountable gang that has failed to lead.

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  1. #1 by James Cameron on June 5, 2012

    Exactly 11 months since Kelly Thomas was murdered by the FPD.

    RECALL!

    • #2 by Simmons on June 6, 2012

      Woo hoo, what do you know, evil dies in threes like famous people.

      Now, find a way to take their pensions.

      Then, disband the corrupt Fullerton Police Department and find a way to take their pensions.

      Then eliminate all public sector unions in Fullerton and take their pensions.

      Hey, one can dream.

  2. #3 by Fullerton Rudy on June 5, 2012

    Vote. And get your friends out to the polls. This is THE most important vote you will cast. Ever.

  3. #4 by chief hughes quotations... on June 5, 2012

    http://s16.postimage.org/qea19t7lx/compromised_evidence.png

    “But even as the officers collected their thoughts, crime-scene technicians and detectives were picking over the scene of the bloody confrontation with Kelly Thomas as if it had been an officer-involved shooting.”

    Is that an officer standing in the evidence?…

    • #5 by Fullerton Rudy on June 5, 2012

      Yes. Crime scene my ass. They were yukking it up and collecting cameras and film.

  4. #6 by Council Sweeper on June 5, 2012

    Large shovel in one hand, broom in the other.

  5. #7 by Steve Baxter on June 5, 2012

    Marlena kicks ass, and does it with class. The truth is loader than shouting when it’s timed just right.
    Justice for Kelly!

    • #8 by Momof4js on June 5, 2012

      Steve, I agree.
      Marlena spoke with command and confidence…and because of that, I believe they will not forget her comments and her questions. It’ll haunt them. They can ignore her – but they won’t forget…
      and, neither will I.
      Thanks for posting this video.

    • #9 by Spunky on June 5, 2012

      Ditto!

  6. #10 by BC on June 5, 2012

    too bad we can’t recall that slime ball Hughes!! oh wait, u can… get to the poles and vote for the recall so your new city council can kick his ass out and have him take all his bad decisions with him!!!!

    • #11 by Grammar Police on June 5, 2012

      BC you’re an embarrassment to FFFF. This isn’t a strip club. I believe you were encouraging everyone to vote and get to the polls, not poles. However, I’m sure some of FFFFer’s have spent time on the “poles”!
      Power to the people!

      • #12 by Kellys Heroes on June 5, 2012

        Grammar Cop, You have a good eye, but I’m affraid my grammar is not so good, but feel free to correct me if you like. You are Fantastic.

  7. #13 by Tom Randerson on June 5, 2012

    Quirk-Silva’s been a major embarrassment to Fullerton. She’s going to learn the hard way that you can’t succeed by trying to please everyone while actually doing nothing.

    • #14 by Joe Sipowicz on June 5, 2012

      Tom, don’t pick on Quirk. She’s just not very bright.

      • #15 by shana hughes on June 5, 2012

        Obviously, since she suggested during the immediate aftermath of the Kelly Thomas murder that the problem was lack of socks for the homeless.

      • #16 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

        Give her ten intellectual matches with you and she’ll win the first nine of them, Sippy. She might let you win the tenth to spare your ego. Or she might not.

        • #17 by Joe Sipowicz on June 5, 2012

          Yes. Let’s give Quirk a box of crayons and let her take an intelligence test.

          • #18 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

            She might just do the most intelligent thing with them. How many do you think that she could shove into your mouth?

            • #19 by Joe Sipowicz on June 5, 2012

              Getting testy, eh?

              I wouldn’t waste to much emotional capital on Quirky. Other than evasion she’s got almost nothing going for her.

              You think she’s smart? I would love to watch the featherhead in a debate with Norby.

              • #20 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                Can you arrange that? I’d love to watch it too. And I’d bet that Sharon would love to participate in it. Can we have Norby’s wife moderate it — or is she disqualified for having endorsed Sharon?

                • #21 by Tom Randerson on June 5, 2012

                  Getting personal? Quirk couldn’t win a debate against a dust mop.

                • #22 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  FACT: Norby’s wife posted publicly, on Facebook, that she wanted Sharon to win. People have screen caps of it! That’s public, not personal.

                  Sharon wouldn’t try to debate a dust mop. That sort of “hitting off of a batting tee” is for the likes of you.

            • #23 by Tom Randerson on June 5, 2012

              She’s really sad. Her little school marm routine got old, fast. Meantime when the FPD needed real reform she teamed up with Gennaco and Hughes to soothe the rear guard reactionaries and the cop union.

              • #24 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                Right, because she had the majority of the council behind her desire for reform — oh, wait, no she didn’t.

                She did the best she could given the composition of the Council. That’s actual politics.

        • #25 by Quick Silver on June 5, 2012

          Just bright enough to be slippery and amorphous. As far as figuring out anything more complicated that a Happy Meal, forget it.

          • #26 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

            Stop touching her. You’re creeping me out.

        • #27 by van get it da artiste on June 5, 2012

          why do you defend sharon quirk silva?

          • #28 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

            I defend her because bogus attacks on her intelligence are bogus. If no one points out how dumb they are, the casual observer may think them less dumb.

            • #29 by Greg Wayne Gacy on June 5, 2012

              I defend her because bogus attacks on her intelligence are bogus.

              You remind me of this fellow.

              There is a reason why Sharon Quirk Silva didn’t want to be photographed standing directly next to you.

              • #30 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                Wow, that’s low. Goodbye, whoever you are.

        • #31 by Class Mom on June 5, 2012

          As a Mom who has had three kids in her schools and two in her class, I can say I hope she is a better politican than she is a teacher.

          She could BARELY muster the words to answer questions about my daughters progress, non-chalantly telling me “Don’t Worry”.

          To top it off she did what every BAD teacher does: spent the next ten minutes talking about HER kids not mine.

          She is not very good at communicating.

          • #32 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

            Thank you, pseudonymous commenter who may be making this all up!

            • #33 by Tony Serra on June 5, 2012

              Give it a rest Diamond.

              You just “overplayed your part”.

      • #34 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

        I have a serious question, Sippy. Why is it that the loud males here always attack women they disagree with for supposedly being stupid? It’s sexist as hell, and no I do not mean that as a compliment. I’ve talked to Sharon many times about politics and policy; I’ve negotiated across the table from her on City issues and seen her analytic and people-management abilities. She’s great. Why do you think you can get away with calling women dumb? Did something bad happen to you as a kid?

        • #35 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

          This has nothing to do with male vs female, you idiot.

          I would vote for a horse if it were smarter than Sharon. And a horse with those qualities should be relatively easy to find.

          • #36 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

            Breaking news — “Sexist Jerk Denies Being Sexist!”

            (Am I right, ladies?)

            It has to do with your running up to assert, without evidence, that “WIMMON R DUMMER THAN TEH HORSIE.” But no, it has nothing to do with gender (that’s what we call “male vs. female”), it has everything to do with the unquestionable fact that mumble mumble mumble.

            Have attractive women always scared you this badly? You seem more comfortable around horses.

            • #37 by The Fullerton Shadow on June 5, 2012

              Attractive women? Now who’s playing sexist? Take your boner and go home.

              • #38 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                That’s not sexist. I believe that both Loretta and Sharon would acknowledge being attractive women. It may be true that only Loretta would sing “I Feel Pretty,” though.

                “Boner”? You din’t!

                • #39 by Michael Liberty on June 5, 2012

                  This is akin to being called a racist of you don’t support the NDAA. Gimme a break everyone know Sharon is a ladder climbing stooge has zero do to with gender. The person who brings up gender first is usually the sexist to be honest. Same with racism.

                • #40 by The Fullerton Shadow on June 5, 2012

                  Don’t play the sex card here. If they can’t take the heat wannabe politicians should stay out of the boiler room.

                  Nice little condescending and unnecessary chivalry on your part. Sexist.

                • #41 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  Every woman FFFFwads don’t like gets called stupid. That does not happen as much with men they don’t like. Yeah, that’s sexism.

                  Hold onto your own “sex cards,” I don’t want them.

                • #42 by Ironica Washington on June 5, 2012

                  Every woman FFFFwads don’t like gets called stupid.

                  You have a great point. These FFFFwads went after Dick Jones viciously simply because she happens to be a beautiful, smart and intelligent woman. Its not right.

                  Its also not right how they’re going after you for the same reason. Sexism is alive and well.

                • #43 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  That was funny and it evinces enough intelligence on your part that you can figure out why it’s a load of dung without my help.

        • #44 by The Fullerton Shadow on June 5, 2012

          I am a woman and I believe that Sharon Quirk is no smarter than your typical AA battery.

          You’ve “negotiated” across the table? What was that during your shorty stint as an Occupy Revolutionary?

          You really are a pathetic character.

          • #45 by John Doe's missing soul on June 5, 2012

            Score – Diamond not too sexist in assuming you were a man…sweet.

            • #46 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

              Where did I assume that she was a man? God, if a speck of actual truth gets onto your hands, do you scrub them for days?

          • #47 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

            Well, you are a dim bulb, so that’s understandable.

            Yep — as a Civic Liaison, I negotiated with her and other city officials. They asked the right questions and were not pushovers. And I’m not a “revolutionary”; I’m a constitutionalist and gradualist.

            • #48 by Fred Alcazar on June 5, 2012

              “I’m a constitutionalist and gradualist.”

              No, you’re a turd.

              • #49 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                Oh, snap. Well, thud, actually.

              • #50 by karma on June 5, 2012

                he is worse than a turd…an Occu-poo.

                Being dim and all, should we call you Miss. Diamond from now on?

                You are a Nervous Nelly today Greg, the election anxiety getting to you?

                • #51 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  I have it on good authority that I will make the November runoff, so no, not anxious at all.

                  I don’t get your joke — or “joke,” or whatever it was.

        • #52 by van get it da artiste on June 5, 2012

          cheap ploy, greg, and I thought you were better than that. no where has anyone insinuated they dislike sharon Q. silva because she is a woman except for you. Criticisms of sharon often are substantiated by her voting record and public comments.

          • #53 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

            vgida, I’ve noticed over months here that men under attack tend to get the “you’re rotten” treatment and women under attack are more likely to also get the “you’re stupid” treatment.

            I’m a social scientist by training; if Tony’s willing to spring for it, I can find a grad student at UCI or CSUF who can do what’s called a “content analysis” of the site, using methods agreed to by the academic of his choice, and we can see if my impression is correct.

            Yes, criticisms of targets here do sometimes have some evidentiary basis, but the sweeping dismissals here of women targets, more so than men, tend to include “haw haw, she so dumb.” And yes, that is sexist.

            • #54 by Justice for ALL on June 6, 2012

              Haw haw, Greg Diamond is so DUMB and STUPID and Sharon is ROTTEN!! (Does that make you feel better?) I didn’t realize that you gave so much credence to ad hominem attacks.

      • #55 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

        that’s why she and Sanchez go together like bread and butter, they are the dimmest bulbs in the box. But by God, they wear skirts and pander to the the Mexican vote, that should make them worthy, si?

        She is just as much of an embarrassment to this city as Hee Haw Jones, and just as evil as McPatdown.

        • #56 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

          Right — Loretta’s only the Ranking Member on the House Armed Services Subcommittee on Strategic Forces — and you’re trying to figure out how to post a comment with a quote in it.

          Is your embarrassment because of those skirts? Or is it something about Mexicans?

          Smart move not to use your real name, by the way.

          • #57 by The Hypocritical Oath on June 5, 2012

            Smart move not to use your real name, by the way.

            How ironic considering your birth name isn’t Greg Diamond.

            • #58 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

              True enough: it’s actually “Gregory.”

              The good news for you is that that’s the 1000th baseless and false factual assertion that someone has made about me here, so you win a prize: dinner with Tony Bushala himself! Next time you see him, you can sit at his table and tell him that you won the “lie about Greg Diamond” contest. If he pretends not to know what you’re talking about, just play along.

              • #59 by The Hypocritical Oath on June 5, 2012

                True enough: it’s actually “Gregory.”

                Your birth name isn’t Gregory Diamond either.

                • #60 by Norman Bates on June 5, 2012

                  So what’s his real name? Not that it matters much, but it might be fun to share.

                • #61 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  It’s Bushala. Bushala Diamond.

                • #62 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  You’re right: I was also given a middle name.

                  That’s my last concession, though.

          • #63 by Tom Randerson on June 5, 2012

            America. Where any idiot can grow up to be a congresswoman.

        • #64 by Jane H on June 5, 2012

          “But by God, they wear skirts and pander to the the Mexican vote, that should make them worthy, si?”

          Just like Gloria Molina

          Quirk-Silva does not seem sincere to me, but that may be her flat affect.

          • #65 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

            Yeah, she is much less effervescent than Loretta, true. But who isn’t?

            • #66 by James Cameron on June 5, 2012

              Effervescent? That’s a new synonym for floozy?

              • #67 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                Close — it means “fizzy.”

                Can the people complaining about my complaints of sexism in comments check in on this one?

                • #68 by James Cameron on June 5, 2012

                  Apparently you were never a recipient of Beautiful’s sleazy Christmas cards. Like the one where her pussy(cat) was on fire and she was awaiting a hunky fireman with his (fire)hose.

                  Nobody mader her do that. She did it all on her own.

                • #69 by Joe Sipowicz on June 5, 2012

                  Maybe you can explain why Sanchez refused to address the Kelly Thomas murder. Just like the rest of Fullerton’s old guard liberals: chickenshit.

                • #70 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  Interesting — but how is it relevant? You think that a naughty Xmas card (taking you at your word) means that she forever more gets to be called sexist names?

                • #71 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  Joe, did she “refuse to” address Kelly’s death? Someone asked her and she said “I’m not going to talk about that”? Or she just didn’t jump into addressing an event — a politicized event, by the way — outside of her district.

                  California has 52 Congress members outside of Ed Royce. How many of them did have a comment?

                  By the way, here’s some insider info: the Democrats I talk to seem to think that Quirk-Silva handled it very well, as do I. But I also know that homeless people do want socks.

              • #72 by karma on June 5, 2012

                No, it’s a synonym for blovious ignoramus.

                “America. Where any idiot can grow up to be a congresswoman.’

                No shit, if that isn’t proof we are an equal opportunity country, I don’t know what does.

                • #73 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  You are bloviously incorrect.

        • #74 by Shimon Mendel on June 5, 2012

          lets add racist to sexist

      • #75 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

        Joe Sipowicz :
        Tom, don’t pick on Quirk. She’s just not very bright.

        that’s why she and Sanchez go together like bread and butter, they are the dimmest bulbs in the box. But by God, they wear skirts and pander to the the Mexican vote, that should make them worthy, si?

        She is just as much of an embarrassment to this city as Hee Haw Jones, and just as evil as McPatdown.

        • #76 by Devil's Food on June 5, 2012

          If you really think Quirk-Silva is as evil as McKinley you’re just a straight-up, honest-to-god, 100% moron.
          Don’t be calling other people dim bulbs when you’re own intelligence is approaching that of a lobster.

  8. #77 by streets of fullerton on June 5, 2012

    http://s16.postimage.org/xfq1weymd/IMG_6049.jpg

    …..Marlene’s balloon still flying high at Kelly’s corner.

  9. #78 by Barry Levinson on June 5, 2012

    As we have seen way too often, our council members, our department heads, our police department has not done the right thing for us.

    What has to stop TODAY is allowing our leaders in Fullerton to have no accountablility for doing the wrong thing!

    VOTE YES ON THE RECALL AND YOU VOTE FOR REFORM, RESULTS AND FOR YOUR FUTURE.

    I have been maligned by a few phony bloggers.

    I find some of their comments very amusing. They will try any tactic to try to sabatage our just cause.

    Good luck to every candidate that did his/her best in an honest, issued based campaign.

    We will triumph today!

    • #79 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

      Barry, why did you put two pages of flyers under the windshield wipers of people’s cars? Did you want them to throw out your trash or did you expect them to complete the job of littering?

      I think it’s fine to put out a flyer on people’s car windows for a lost dog — but it’s just weird to do it for a lost campaign.

      • #80 by Joe Sipowicz on June 5, 2012

        You really need a job.

        • #81 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

          I like working for myself. I feel less guilty about complaining about the boss.

          • #82 by Joe Sipowicz on June 5, 2012

            Yeah, sure you do. Food stamps?

            • #83 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

              Never had them. I do favor their wide availability to others, though. Do you — or does it undercut your pleasure of watching people pick through garbage bins?

              • #84 by Quick Silver on June 5, 2012

                Send your old lady to the 7-11 with the EBT?

                What a guy.

                • #85 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  Nope, no one in the household has food stamps, idjit.

                  But hey, why don’t you make fun of people who DO have food stamps! That should really put people here in the right mood to vote.

              • #86 by van get it da artiste on June 5, 2012

                considering the areas where I have worked, I have seen more people behind grocery stores selling their food stamps then driving off in cars I could not afford to buy.One woman bragged to me she sold her food stamps to pay for her tattoos. why do I sense a cataclysmic end to the social-welfare state?

                • #87 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  If you see that happen, call the police. Seriously. I have no problem with that.

                  The “welfare queen” myth is something we can address another time. I’m not saying that it never happens; I am saying that as problems go, it’s a pretty small one.

      • #88 by Johnny Donut on June 5, 2012

        Greg, stop stealing property off of other peoples’ cars.

        • #89 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

          I was cleaning up litter. Anyway, whose “property” do you think it was, bunky? The people that abandoned it there or the people who hadn’t seen it and didn’t want it. If Levinson had had the decency to stamp and address envelopes, we have civil servants who would have delivered it right to people’s mailboxes for him!

          • #90 by Quick Silver on June 5, 2012

            Thief. That one will come back.

            • #91 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

              Cleaning up litter is thievery? Well, I’m glad that you don’t think that it’s aggravated assault against paper.

              Call 911 on me if you must. But also call it on Litterin’ Levinson, OK? Let the courts sort out who has to pick up trash on the sides of the freeway. (If it’s me, maybe I’ll be lucky and come across some of Barry’s own campaign flyers!)

              • #92 by ibon on June 5, 2012

                If it was on the ground, then it’s littering. And the culprit is the one who put it on the ground, not the one who placed them on the windshields. You, sir, are taking them off vehicles. That would be stealing.

                • #93 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  (1) Then call the cops. Hell, maybe I’ll go visit them tonight and ask.

                  (2) “Stealing” from whom? From the person who abandoned them or the person who never asked for them and didn’t know that they were there?

          • #94 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

            Listen up, you dipshit Greg Diamond. As I told you in the other thread, I was once the victim of a parking ticket discarded from my windshield. Don’t remove stuff from people’s cars. Let people do it themselves.

            I don’t care if it’s flyers from Barry Levinson or a dead raccoon underneath my windshield wipers. Stay the hell away from my car!

            • #95 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

              I’m in your glove compartment right now, Snakes, reading your romance novels. (By the way, I didn’t read your comment on the other thread. Did I miss anything important?)

              I appreciate your last sentence, though, and it’s rousing condemnation of Barry Levinson.

              • #96 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                “Its”! Sorry, Grammar Police, I know it’s “its”!

              • #97 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

                The only thing in my glove compartment is a hand grenade inscribed with the words Greg Diamond.

                • #98 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  Good comeback. It’s so “you.”

              • #99 by van get it da artiste on June 5, 2012

                Greg! you don’t uphold freedom of speech evidenced by you removing flyers put out by a political hopeful you dislike. shame on you! you know better than to do that because you practice the law

                • #100 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  I’m not upholding “freedom of speech” by doing so; I’m upholding laws against littering. Does it shock you to learn that Levinson has no First Amendment right to put his political flyers onto your windshield — or to slip them through your car window if it happens to be cracked open?

                  Given the mysterious departures of candidates’ political signs (which unlike flyers put onto cars ARE protected) from areas across the city, I find your dudgeon amusing.

          • #101 by merijoe on June 5, 2012

            Mugsy Diamond

            How do you know it was litter?
            You aren’t suppose to touch other people’s property -they may have wanted those flyers.
            By stealing, what you did was a criminal act.

            • #102 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

              Call the FPD, merijoe. Given the amount of sign stealing going on, which oddly enough in many areas ends up with only a Levinson sign present, I think it would be hilarious.

              But I’m glad to see that you too condemn Barry Levinson for touching other people’s property!

              • #103 by merijoe on June 5, 2012

                You call the FPD, which is something you should have done in the first place instead of putting your grubby hands on people’s property -you never produce any proof, you just run your mouth and tell someone else to do the legwork and stop changing the subject because you are embarrassed.

                • #104 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  Let’s puzzle this through, merijoe:

                  ME: Hello, FPD? I wish to report an act of vicious littering.
                  FPD: Thank God that you called us.
                  ME: Would you have your officers come and remove this litter placed illegally under people’s windshield wipers? merijoe told me to ask.
                  FPD: Yeaaaaaaahhhhhh — no.

                  The proof was in the video, merijoe! Who do you think put the Levinson flyers on those cars — Sean Paden, trying to set Barry up? (And if I were embarrassed, I would not have put up the video, eh?)

                  I am sorry that you are giving moral support to a litterer.

                • #105 by John Doe's missing soul on June 5, 2012

                  It’s one thing to come on here and opine…but to get “hands-on” in a city that he doesn’t live in…I’m not sure I understand his motive.

                • #106 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  Including my campaign account and my lawyer’s trust fund account, I have accounts at four banks — all in Fullerton.

                  I do most of my shopping in Fullerton. The main local political organization with which I am involved focuses on Fullerton. My wife and now my daughter went to Fullerton College. My campaign office is in Fullerton. I am running to represent Fullerton (among other areas) in the State Senate.

                  I live 1/3 of a mile outside of the city border. Why are you so freaked out by my interest in Fullerton? I’m also interested in Wisconsin’s elections today.

              • #107 by John Doe's missing soul on June 5, 2012

                I’m still wondering. Why were you driving around Fullerton, looking at peoples’ cars and taking property from their windshield?

                • #108 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  Watch the video. I was responding to a tip.

          • #109 by Orange Cape Hides Me on June 6, 2012

            Does redefining another persons’ campaign material as “litter” allow you to justify your actions?

            All your actions did was illustrate that you have low emotional intelligence and are petty.

      • #110 by Diamond in the rough on June 5, 2012

        Barry tell us about your clean campaign again and the misleading COPS voter’s guide. BTW Greg Diamond is very entertaining and mostly accurate.

        • #111 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

          Thank you — I may use that as my new campaign slogan!

          I have to give Barry credit, though, for denouncing Chris Thompson’s “mistake” of promoting his campaign with the resources of the entirely separate Fullerton Recall campaign. Oh, he didn’t do that? But … but … “clean campaign”!!!! Gosh!

        • #112 by Mark My Word on June 5, 2012

          Greg Diamond is a ZERO. Always has been always will be.

          • #113 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

            Your comment has no content. (Also: stop bothering me here, Mom.)

            • #114 by merijoe on June 5, 2012

              Your mom thinks of you like that?

              • #115 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                No, actually she died years ago — but she had a great sense of humor and would be loving this thread. (Miss you, Mom!)

                • #116 by Norman Bates on June 5, 2012

                  Greg has mom issues. Figures. Poor Mrs. Diamond. Both of them.

                • #117 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

                  Classy.

          • #118 by TimeWillTell on June 5, 2012

            Greg is a Hero! Always has been always will be!

            • #119 by Fred Alcazar on June 5, 2012

              Greg is a sandwich? I know he”s full of baloney./ Thanks for the confirmation.

          • #120 by Scoobology on June 6, 2012

            +1

  10. #121 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

    Remember no one wants to see Matt Rowe and his liberal posse in office vote for Travis, Greg and Barry!!!

    • #122 by Devil's Food on June 5, 2012

      Just voted for Rowe. It was a tossup between him and Levinson, but then I thought of all the anonymous nutjobs slamming him on FFFF, and that clinched it for me. Thanks for all you do!

      • #123 by John Doe's missing soul on June 5, 2012

        You’ve got that right. I think the people that just spew out hatred instead of making intelligent points are shooting themselves in the foot. They spend so much time and effort saying ugly things about those they oppose and nothing about why you should vote for their candidate of choice. I don’t get it.

        • #124 by Devil's Food on June 5, 2012

          While I enjoy the anonymous nature of this blog as much as anybody, what we really need here is a stupidity filter which prevents you from posting if your IQ is under 50. There are intelligent people of various political persuasions on here who are worth talking to no matter which candidates they support. Then there is “I pooped a Matt” and the like. As a wise man once said “”The two most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.”

          • #125 by just a guy on June 5, 2012

            My brain filters stupid comments by the name they’re posted under. For instance, I haven’t read an entire Greg Diamond comment since…well, ever!

            • #126 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

              No wonder you don’t appreciate them, then! Try reading one all the way through. The worst that can happen is that it liquifies your brain — and I don’t think anyone will notice.

              • #127 by John Doe's missing soul on June 5, 2012

                Just don’t operate heavy machinary after reading….

            • #128 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

              Me either Just a Guy! I skip right over them.

              • #129 by TimeWillTell on June 5, 2012

                Your loss.

      • #130 by FullertonGirl65 on June 5, 2012

        Ditto, Anon. They’re trying so hard to discredit Matt…such children.

  11. #131 by Larry Flint on June 5, 2012

    Did the Navy pay for those bolt-on’s?

    • #132 by Marlena on June 5, 2012

      Yes on Recall
      No on idiots

  12. #133 by Leon on June 5, 2012

    Ms. Carrillo, thank you for your courage, your time, your thoughts. It’s people like Marlena who should be leading us into the future. Bankhead’s been on the city council for almost 30 years, Jones 16, McPension should have never even been an option, thanks NOT Ed Royce!

  13. #134 by Lawsuit accuses Kelly Thomas cop of abuse on June 5, 2012

  14. #135 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

    can someone please block Ms. Diamond’s IP, I would rather have O’Malley back.

    • #136 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

      It’s “Mr. Diamond.” Your confusion explains much.

      That would be an acknowledgment of defeat. I wouldn’t blame you.

    • #137 by Reality Is on June 5, 2012

      LOL that made me spit my coffee. I was thinking the same thing and was thinking wow Reality Is got his posts all deleted and all his IP’s blocked and this guy goes nuts all day everyday.

      It’s June 5th though!!
      :)

      • #138 by John Doe's missing soul on June 5, 2012

        Yes…it’s eerie when “Reality Is” is a breath of fresh air…

      • #139 by Fullerton Lover on June 5, 2012

        You make a good point. Happy June 5th to you.

  15. #140 by William Wallace on June 5, 2012

    We will not have answers until Mardirossian starts issuing subpoenas for reports, records and personnel files and depositions begin under oath. McKinley and others know that while they can play us off as stupid, their day of reckoning looms in their futures.

  16. #141 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

    One way to solve the nation’s energy problem is to confiscate Greg Diamond’s computers, smart phones, and any other electronic device he uses to connect to the internet.

    • #142 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

      From my cold dead hands….

      • #143 by karma on June 5, 2012

        don’t get our hopes up.

        • #144 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

          Really, now — wishing me dead? That’s real desperation! In a way, I’m flattered.

      • #145 by ibon on June 5, 2012

        You should have that looked at.

  17. #146 by Gaseous Greg on June 5, 2012

    Greg Diamond :
    Including my campaign account and my lawyer’s trust fund account, I have accounts at four banks — all in Fullerton.
    I do most of my shopping in Fullerton. The main local political organization with which I am involved focuses on Fullerton. My wife and now my daughter went to Fullerton College. My campaign office is in Fullerton. I am running to represent Fullerton (among other areas) in the State Senate.
    I live 1/3 of a mile outside of the city border. Why are you so freaked out by my interest in Fullerton? I’m also interested in Wisconsin’s elections today.

    Get lost. After November you’ll disappear any way. Just a bad, methane memory.

    • #147 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

      Witty!

      • #148 by Champion Master on June 5, 2012

        You can learn a real lot from stupid.

        Polling Stats say left leaners are,

        A) Are people that are less happy in life.
        B) Are people that are less attractive.
        C) Are people with lower intelligence, or IQ.
        D) Are people with less financial means, and would like the Control Freaks in Government to go broke, buying and wasting on stuff they want, FOR SPITE!

        • #149 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

          Polling Stats are apparently Made Up.

  18. #151 by John Doe's missing soul on June 5, 2012

    Greg Diamond :Watch the video. I was responding to a tip.

    Nice priorities…making sure your in the thick of the real issues. Because THAT is Fullerton’s problem – litter. Good job.

    • #152 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

      The actual issue is an arrogant and entitled “do what you want and apologize for it later” attitude. You know, like Chris Thompson and his e-mail.

      • #153 by Bloat on June 5, 2012

        Please leave this poor nebbish alone. He really can’t help himself. Doomed to loserville.

      • #154 by John Doe's missing soul on June 5, 2012

        Do you think about what you type before you hit that submit button?

        • #155 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

          Let me check:

          Greg Diamond :
          The actual issue is an arrogant and entitled “do what you want and apologize for it later” attitude. You know, like Chris Thompson and his e-mail.

          Yep, sounds about right.

  19. #156 by Jt on June 5, 2012

    Just actually watched the video, though I remember being there in person to hear these remarks.

    Marlena should think about running for office in the future. Great points made with a calm, cool, thoughtful delivery.

  20. #157 by JustUs on June 5, 2012

    Carrillo is an intelligent and forthright woman. She made lucid comments that are rational and logical. Naturally, the ones who she directed her questions to have no good reasonable or logical answers to her concerns – so they go unaddressed. Thank you, Ms. Carrillo for helping to expose the malfeasance, fraud and lack of leadership on Fullerton’s city council and police department. You are a good citizen who is engaged in critical matters that impact your fellow citizens and goes to the very heart of what defines civilized behavior. God bless you.

    • #158 by Weird Science on June 5, 2012

      You ffffer’s are funny. Build her up because she made lucid comments. I’ve been to council meetings and I’ll give you that she made lucid comments but why the idol complex? Carrillo should educate her Jerry Springer friends on how to speak rational and logical instead of their rants. I’d cheer her for that!

      • #159 by Fred Alcazar on June 5, 2012

        “speak rational and logical”?

        GED, begone.

  21. #160 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    I watched the video and was surprised that apparently no one called FPD to report what GD was doing, but then I remembered he noted it was 6:30 so perhaps it was 6:30 in the morning?

    I do not live on that specific street, but if I saw someone taking flyers off of my neighbors’ cars I think I would call FPD and let that person explain what they were doing… It is up to the vehicle owner to remove flyers, not someone walking down a street videotaping themself removing them.

    The videotaping raises another concern for me; we know now that it was GD pursuing a “cause”, but someone walking down a residential street videotaping would also be something that would have me notifying FPD.

    And, GD, before you remind me that it was probably a digitally-made video – I fully understand that and chose to use a term that most people will recognize.

    • #161 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

      Call the FPD if you must, peaches. Why should the vehicle owners be burdened with cleaning up Levinson’s mess? This is a curious morality you propose, where Levinson has a right to pick up their wipers and abandon his propaganda there, but no one else has the right to remove it.

      You’re right — someone certainly could have called the FPD to report my three minutes of videotaping. If they had, I would have explained it and life would have gone on.

      • #162 by John Doe's missing soul on June 5, 2012

        I don’t know…what with FPD’s track record regarding (perceived) stolen mail…

        Somehow, that enrages them.

        • #163 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

          That track record pretty bad — and if I were a young man from a racial/ethnic minority I might well have gotten hassled.

          But if it *were* mail in a mailbox, I would never have taken it. That’s the difference.

        • #164 by Sean Paden on June 5, 2012

          Greg

          I’m not going to tell you how to do your job or run your campaign, and if you want to go after Mr Levinson that’s your choice but please leave me out of it. Thank you.

          • #165 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

            Come on, Sean — this is the most attention you’ve gotten here in weeks. (I find it mysterious; I’d think that they’d like you.)

            I hope that you pull a lot of votes from Levinson, though. What’s your position on sticking your flyers onto the windshields of strangers’ parked cars? You may be able to distinguish yourself here.

        • #166 by Orange Cape Hides Me on June 6, 2012

          +1 JDMS

  22. #167 by Kelly Thomas beating at center of Fullerton recall election on June 5, 2012

  23. #168 by truthseeker on June 5, 2012

    Ms. Carillo, thank you for standing, speaking and marching in Kelly’s Army for justice. It is just a matter of time before all involved will also realize that it is never too late to do the right thing. Today the jacarandas are in full bloom and the soapbox has led to the ballot box. May the will of the people give rise to a new tomorrow in Fullerton. Its decent, hard working, honest residents deserve no less. May we also realize that we must NEVER take our eyes off of those we elect to public office and may the light of day shine bright on those whom we hold to a higher standard to represent us. God Bless the Fullerton Recall.

  24. #169 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

    I wonder if Greg Diamond walks around town picking up people’s newspapers on their driveways because it’s “litter” in his eyes?

    • #170 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

      No, they have generally consented to the presence of those papers on their property, and if they don’t like them they can request that the commercial enterprises stop delivering them.

  25. #171 by Joe Sipowicz on June 5, 2012

    Greg Diamond :
    Joe, did she “refuse to” address Kelly’s death? Someone asked her and she said “I’m not going to talk about that”? Or she just didn’t jump into addressing an event — a politicized event, by the way — outside of her district.
    California has 52 Congress members outside of Ed Royce. How many of them did have a comment?
    By the way, here’s some insider info: the Democrats I talk to seem to think that Quirk-Silva handled it very well, as do I. But I also know that homeless people do want socks.

    She represents Fullerton. The murder occurred a few hundred feet from the her district boundary. And yes, her staff refused to talk about it. Nice.

    Quirk handled it just well enough not get recalled.

    • #172 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

      She doesn’t represent that part of the district. Hence my saying “outside of her district.”

      Maybe she was afraid of the reaction that I get when, living a similar distance outside of the city, people ask me why I’d possibly be interested in it, as if it was Antarctica.

      By the way (and I seriously don’t know the answer) — what did ROYCE say about it?

  26. #173 by admin on June 5, 2012

    FFFFer’s this post was about a courageous and independent woman, Marlena Carrillo standing up to the corrupt old boys club.

    It has, unfortunately, been hijacked. Please return to the topic of the post.

    • #174 by Joe Sipowicz on June 5, 2012

      You’re right, boss. Sorry.

    • #175 by truthseeker on June 5, 2012

      I agree-today is the day so many worked so hard for. This day is being graced by this post and Marlena’s words that echo oh so clearly that we all want what is right from those who can’t see what is wrong.

      • #176 by The Brea on June 5, 2012

        I agree. Many people worked very hard to make this day happen so today I’m going to avoid responding to the off-topic and diversionary posts.

        I hope the rest of you do the same.

    • #177 by The Fullerton Shadow on June 5, 2012

      Me, too.

      • #178 by karma on June 5, 2012

        agree, well said Truthseeker.

        Thank you Marlena for your courage, conviction and class.

    • #179 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

      This was Sipowicz, re SQS:

      Tom, don’t pick on Quirk. She’s just not very bright.

      You want to talk about “hijacking,” talk to him.

      • #180 by John Doe's missing soul on June 5, 2012

        Look above – He acknowleged and apologized…

      • #181 by Fred Alcazar on June 5, 2012

        Admin didn’t mention any names. Got a guilty conscience?

  27. #182 by Champion Master on June 5, 2012

    I always thought Fullerton had the best Ladies.

  28. #183 by Unofficial Election Results on June 5, 2012

    • #184 by For the record on June 5, 2012

      Note, 7500 absentee ballots returned as of today.

  29. #185 by Marlena on June 5, 2012

    Justice for Kelly Thomas
    Power to the People

    • #186 by Duct tape on June 5, 2012

      Nice rack, too bad you had to open your mouth and ruin everything!

    • #187 by Fullerton Lover on June 5, 2012

      The manner which Marlena delivered her message to the City Council and Police Chief, was both eloquent and elegant.

      I greatly admire and respect her tenacious spirit and insistence on speaking out for those whose voice has been silenced.

  30. #188 by Friendly Neighbor on June 5, 2012

    Thank you Marlena for having the courage to stand up to these people that could not care less about the citizens.

    • #189 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

      OK, on topic: was it crazy and improper for Pat McKinley to hire Jay Cicinelli because he has only one eye? Again, a federal appellate court has addressed the question of whether it’s proper to discriminate against a one-eyed person in hiring for a police force:

      http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-8th-circuit/1097840.html

      Royce DOANE, Plaintiff-Appellee, v. CITY OF OMAHA, Defendant-Appellant.

      No. 96-2835.

      – June 16, 1997

      Before RICHARD S. ARNOLD, Chief Judge, HANSEN, Circuit Judge, and BATTEY,District Judge.1
      Sherry E. Cotton (argued), Omaha, NE, for Appellant.Thomas F. Dowd (argued), Omaha, NE, for Appellee.

      Royce Doane, a former Omaha police officer, brought this suit against the city of Omaha, Nebraska, for discriminating against him on the basis of his disability, in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), 42 U.S.C. §§ 12100-213 (1994).   A jury found in favor of Doane, and the city of Omaha appeals the district court’s 2 denial of its motion for judgment as a matter of law.   The city also claims error in the district court’s refusal to use its requested jury instruction and in the remedies awarded.   We affirm.

      I.

      Royce Doane brought this suit against the city of Omaha, claiming that the city discriminated against him on account of his disability when it failed to rehire him as a police officer.   Doane had been a police officer in Omaha from June 30, 1973, until June 2, 1984.   Two years into his employment, in 1975, Doane lost vision in one eye due to glaucoma.   With glasses, his overall vision is corrected to 20/20, though he actually is seeing out of only one eye.   He reported the blindness to his immediate command officer and took some medical leave for treatment, but he continued working successfully and competently as a police officer for nine years after the onset of this condition.   During those nine years, Doane performed all the duties required of a police officer and consistently attained qualification as an expert in the use of firearms.

      In 1984, Doane was asked to undergo an eye examination, after which he was advised that his career was over.   Doane was given a choice between resigning with a small pension or applying for a 911 communications job.   Doane took the 911 position and later also worked for a time as a jailor.   Doane made several requests for reemployment as a police officer, but each was denied on account of his blindness in one eye.

      Relevant to this suit, Doane applied for re-employment as an Omaha police officer on August 12, 1992.   The job notice to which Doane replied listed vision as a special requirement of the job and stated the following:

      Vision must be not less than 20/200 using both eyes without squinting, correctable to 20/20 using both eyes without squinting.   Applicants must also possess normal color perception and have no evidence of irreversible disease which will affect the person’s sight.

      (Appellant’s App. at 64.)   The city asserted that the “using both eyes” language meant that an applicant must have binocular vision-the ability to see out of each eye.   The city employed police officer recruits other than Doane for its training class, which began on November 30, 1992.   On July 23, 1993, the city personnel director denied Doane’s request for re-employment.   The city rejected Doane’s application on the basis of Chief of Police Skinner’s conclusion that Doane’s vision problem was a significant limitation.   Specifically, Chief Skinner thought that Doane’s lack of peripheral vision in one eye would significantly limit his ability to perform as a police officer.

      Doane filed a discrimination charge with the Nebraska Equal Opportunity Commission and the United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.   The Nebraska Equal Opportunity Commission required the city to re-employ Doane, but the city personnel director refused to do so.   Consequently, Doane brought this ADA suit, which was tried to a jury.   Doane’s medical experts testified that binocular vision is not required to satisfy the vision standard set forth in the 1992 job notice and that Doane’s visual abilities sufficiently satisfy the requirements of that notice.

      The city made an oral motion for judgment as a matter of law at the close of the plaintiff’s evidence and renewed its motion at the close of the case.   The district court overruled the motions and submitted the case to the jury.   The jury returned a verdict in favor of Doane, awarding compensatory damages (including neither back nor front pay) in the amount of $50,000.   The district court denied the city’s post-trial motion for judgment as a matter of law or a new trial and awarded Doane $40,000.20 in back pay and $10,874.77 in back pension benefits.   Additionally, the district court ordered reinstatement by requiring the city to allow Doane to enter police recruit training.   The city appeals.

      II.

      We review de novo the district court’s denial of a motion for judgment as a matter of law, using the same standards as applied by the district court.   Varner v. National Super Markets, Inc., 94 F.3d 1209, 1212 (8th Cir.1996), cert. denied, — U.S. —-, 117 S.Ct. 946, 136 L.Ed.2d 835 (1997).   We view all facts and resolve any conflicts in favor of the jury verdict, giving Doane the benefit of all reasonable inferences.  Id. “It is well settled that we will not reverse a jury’s verdict for insufficient evidence unless, after viewing the evidence in the light most favorable to the verdict, we conclude that no reasonable juror could have returned a verdict for the non-moving party.”  Ryther v. KARE 11, 108 F.3d 832, 836 (8th Cir.1997) (en banc), petition for cert. filed, 65 USLW 3694 (U.S. Apr. 4, 1997) (No. 96-1571).

      The ADA generally protects “a qualified individual with a disability” from discrimination on the basis of that disability in matters of job applications and hiring, among other aspects of employment.  42 U.S.C. § 12112(a).   To obtain relief under the ADA, a plaintiff must establish that he is (1) a disabled person within the meaning of the ADA, (2) that he is qualified to perform the essential functions of his job either with or without reasonable accommodation, and (3) that he suffered an adverse employment action because of his disability.   See Benson v. Northwest Airlines, Inc., 62 F.3d 1108, 1112 (8th Cir.1995);  Wooten v. Farmland Foods, 58 F.3d 382, 385 (8th Cir.1995).

      A. Disabled within the meaning of the ADA

       The city contends that in spite of Doane’s blindness in one eye, he is not a disabled person within the meaning of the ADA. The ADA defines disability as “a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more of the major life activities of [an] individual,” or having “a record of such an impairment,” or when an individual is “regarded as having such an impairment.”  42 U.S.C. § 12102(2).  “Major Life Activities means functions such as caring for oneself, performing manual tasks, walking, seeing, hearing, speaking, breathing, learning, and working.”  29 C.F.R. § 1630.2(i) (emphasis added).   Factors to consider in determining whether a disability has substantially limited a major life activity include “the nature and severity of the impairment,” “the duration or expected duration of the impairment,” and “the permanent or long term impact of or resulting from the impairment.”  29 C.F.R. § 1630.2(j)(2).   See Aucutt v. Six Flags Over Mid-America, Inc., 85 F.3d 1311, 1319 (8th Cir.1996).

      The agency’s interpretive guidance on the ADA explains that “[t]he determination of whether an individual has a disability is not necessarily based on the name or diagnosis of the impairment the person has, but rather on the effect of that impairment on the life of the individual.”  29 C.F.R. pt. 1630, appendix § 1630.2(j).  “[A]n impairment is substantially limiting if it significantly restricts the duration, manner or condition under which an individual can perform a particular major life activity as compared to the average person in the general population’s ability to perform that same major life activity.”  29 C.F.R. Pt. 1630, App. § 1630.2(j).   Additionally, “[t]he determination of whether the individual is substantially limited in a major life activity must be made on a case by case basis, without regard to mitigating measures such as medicines, or assistive or prosthetic devices.”   Id. See also Harris v. H & W Contracting Co., 102 F.3d 516, 520-21 (11th Cir.1996) (holding that the ADA interpretive guidelines are based on a permissible construction of the statute);  Sicard v. City of Sioux City, 950 F.Supp. 1420, 1428-39 (N.D.Iowa 1996) (same).

      Doane experiences total permanent blindness in one eye due to glaucoma.   See Martinson v. Kinney Shoe Corp., 104 F.3d 683, 686 n. 2 (4th Cir.1997) (noting that “both glaucoma and blindness ․ can be disabilities”).   He presented evidence that the loss of vision in one eye constitutes a 25% disability of the visual system and a 24% whole body impairment, according to the American Medical Association.   Doane’s medical experts testified that Doane’s blindness in one eye substantially limits his major life activity of seeing.   The evidence demonstrated that Doane cannot sense depth in the same manner as persons with binocular (two-eyed) vision, and his peripheral vision is limited due to his impairment.

      The city argues that Doane’s impairment does not substantially limit the major life activity of seeing because Doane has learned to adapt and accommodate himself to his impairment.   Doane’s corrected vision is 20/20.   His medical experts testified that his brain has learned to work with environmental clues to develop his own sense of depth perception using only one eye and that he has learned to compensate for his loss of peripheral vision by adjusting his head position.   His doctor expressed the opinion that Doane is able to function normally because his brain has learned over the years to make subconscious adjustments to compensate for the limitation.

       We conclude that Doane is an individual with a disability within the meaning of the ADA. His glaucoma caused permanent blindness in one eye which substantially limits Doane’s major life activity of seeing.   The manner in which Doane must sense depth and use peripheral vision is significantly different from the manner in which an average, binocular person performs the same visual activity.   Doane’s brain has mitigated the effects of his impairment, but our analysis of whether he is disabled does not include consideration of mitigating measures.   His personal, subconscious adjustments to the impairment do not take him outside of the protective provisions of the ADA.

      The city urges us to follow the Fifth Circuit’s holding that “a person is not handicapped if his vision can be corrected to 20/200.”  Chandler v. City of Dallas, 2 F.3d 1385, 1390 (5th Cir.1993), cert. denied, 511 U.S. 1011, 114 S.Ct. 1386, 128 L.Ed.2d 61 (1994).   Because Doane’s vision is correctable to 20/20, the city argues, he is not a person with a disability within the meaning of the ADA. We decline to apply the Fifth Circuit’s holding in this case.   We must consider each situation on a case by case basis.   Doane’s vision impairment stems not merely from overall poor eyesight but from total blindness in one eye due to glaucoma, which significantly restricts the manner in which Doane performs the major life activity of seeing.   Thus, Doane is a person with a disability entitled to the ADA’s protection.

       In this case, even if Doane’s glaucoma did not actually substantially limit Doane’s ability to see, our conclusion would be the same.   The ADA’s definition of disability includes persons who are perceived as having an impairment that substantially limits a major life activity.  42 U.S.C. § 12102(2)(C).   Police Chief Skinner testified that he perceived Doane’s visual problem as a significant limitation and that this was the reason he recommended rejecting Doane’s employment application.  (Appellee’s App. at 18-19.)   Thus, the evidence demonstrates that the city perceived Doane as having a disability that substantially limited his ability to see.   The city cites cases holding that a plaintiff’s major life activity of working is not substantially limited by an inability to perform a single job.   See, e.g., Wooten, 58 F.3d at 386;  Chandler, 2 F.3d at 1391-93;  Welsh v. City of Tulsa, Okla., 977 F.2d 1415, 1417-19 (10th Cir.1992).   We do not disagree with this statement of law.   The principle is simply inapposite in this case where the major life activity affected is that of seeing, not working.   Likewise, the district court did not err by refusing to give the city’s requested jury instruction, which explained that an impairment preventing an individual from meeting the requirements of one particular job does not substantially limit the individual’s major life activity of working.

      B. Qualified for the position

      Next, the city argues that Doane was not qualified to perform the essential functions of the position of a sworn police officer.   The city’s expert testified that binocular vision and peripheral vision are very important in a law enforcement situation and that a person with monocular (one-eyed) vision would have a lower reaction time, rendering that person a danger to himself, fellow officers, and the public.   All of the medical experts agree that Doane’s peripheral vision is limited.

      As noted above, a plaintiff bears the burden to demonstrate not only that he is disabled, but also that he is qualified for the job.   To be a “qualified individual with a disability,” 42 U.S.C. § 12112(a) (emphasis added), an individual must satisfy “the requisite skill, experience, education and other job-related requirements of the employment position,” and “with or without reasonable accommodation,” the individual must be able to perform “the essential functions of the position.”  29 C.F.R. § 1630.2(m).

       In this case, Doane made the requisite showing that his disability does not prevent him from performing the essential functions of the job.   He testified to his specific qualifications for the job;  for instance, he has the necessary educational background, he has a valid motor vehicle license, he had been a successful police officer for many years, he has remained physically fit, and his eyesight is correctable to 20/20.   While the medical experts all agreed that Doane’s peripheral vision is limited, the medical experts also testified that Doane has made adjustments that compensate for his limited peripheral vision.   Doane demonstrated that the city’s job description does not specifically require binocular vision and that he had satisfactorily performed the essential functions of the job in spite of his disability for nine years before his termination in 1984.   A reasonable jury could have concluded that Doane could perform the essential functions of the job, and thus Doane sufficiently satisfied his burden to demonstrate that he was qualified for the job.

      The city also argues that Doane did not fulfill the procedural requirements of the Omaha Municipal Code when a current employee attempts to change job positions.   The city asserts that because Doane was attempting to transfer to a position with a higher maximum salary, he was required to go through an examination process, including a physical and mental examination and a personal interview, as any applicant seeking an original appointment.   This argument is without merit.   The Municipal Code provides that vacancies may be filled by re-employment as well as original appointment.  (See Appellants’ Supp.App. at 46.)   Memos from city officials indicate that Doane’s applications to be rehired as a police officer were treated as applications for re-employment, and thus were not subject to the procedural requirements of an original appointment.   Also, Doane specifically testified that he was not permitted to try to engage in any of the testing requirements.   We agree with the district court’s assessment:  “Due to the discrimination of the city of Omaha, the plaintiff was never given the chance to complete these standard preconditions of employment.”  (Appellant’s Adden. at 25.)   The jury had sufficient evidence before it from which it could conclude that Doane was qualified, and any technical noncompliance with the personnel code does not undermine the verdict.

      C. Remedies

      Following entry of the jury verdict, the district court held an evidentiary hearing and awarded remedies of backpay and reinstatement.   The city challenges these remedies, arguing that the remedy in this case should be limited to injunctive relief and should not include reinstatement or backpay damages.

      The ADA provides that the Title VII remedies apply to any person alleging discrimination on the basis of a disability.  42 U.S.C. § 12117(a).   Once a plaintiff proves that an unlawful motive played some part in the employment decision, see 42 U.S.C. § 2000e-2(m), the plaintiff is entitled to relief, including compensatory damages, declaratory judgment, and injunctive relief.   Id. § 2000e-5(g)(2)(B);  Pedigo v. P.A.M. Transport, Inc., 60 F.3d 1300, 1301 (8th Cir.1995).   The defendant may attempt to limit the relief by showing that it would have made the same decision, even absent consideration of the impermissible factor.   If “the employer proves that it would have made the same decision absent consideration of the employee’s disability, the remedies available are limited to a declaratory judgment, an injunction that does not include an order for reinstatement or for back pay, and some attorney’s fees and costs.”  Pedigo, 60 F.3d at 1301;  see 42 U.S.C. § 2000e-5(g)(2)(B)(i) & (ii).

       Because the city failed to prove that it would have taken the same action against Doane had it not considered his blindness in one eye, there is no basis for applying section 2000e-5(g)(2)(B) in this case.   A person who has been discriminated against is entitled to the most complete relief possible, and there is a strong presumption that persons who have been discriminated against are entitled to back pay.  King v. Staley, 849 F.2d 1143, 1144 (8th Cir.1988).   As always, the goal is to make the victim whole.   See id. (holding that the district court abused its discretion in failing to award back pay and front pay based on the salary of the position that the victim of discrimination was denied).   The district court’s discretion was not restricted in this case to imposing injunctive relief.

       In determining whether to award reinstatement, any current inability to satisfy all bona fide job requirements is a special circumstance that may render reinstatement inappropriate.  Thomlison v. City of Omaha, 63 F.3d 786, 790 (8th Cir.1995) (a Rehabilitation Act case);  see Wooten, 58 F.3d at 385 n. 2 (noting that cases interpreting the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 are instructive in ADA analysis).   Because Doane had been out of the police force for a number of years, the district court did not reinstate Doane as a sworn, on-duty police officer but ordered the city to allow him to participate in police recruit training.   This provided the city with the opportunity to train Doane and to assess anew his current fitness for the job.3  Additionally, out of an abundance of caution, the district court provided the city with an opportunity to present evidence demonstrating that Doane was not currently fit for the job.   The district court found that the city presented no evidence other than Doane’s vision disability to indicate that he was unfit for the job.

      The city now argues that the district court erred by shifting to it the burden to demonstrate that Doane was not qualified.   We note that the jury instructions indicate that Doane properly bore the initial burden to prove that he was a qualified individual with a disability, and the jury found in his favor.   That evidentiary burden concerning liability is separate, however, from the issue of whether reinstatement is an appropriate remedy.

      The district court shifted the burden on the remedial issue of whether Doane was qualified for reinstatement, relying on Thomlison v. City of Omaha.   In Thomlison, the city of Omaha was found to have discharged a fire fighter on the basis of discrimination.  63 F.3d at 789.   When considering the propriety of the district court’s order of reinstatement, we stated, “When analyzing whether a former employee is currently qualified for reinstatement, a presumption exists that the former employee remains qualified to perform the job.   The burden shifts to the employer to prove the absence of current qualifications.”  Id. The district court in the present case applied this presumption to determine that Doane was entitled to reinstatement.

       The city argues that the Thomlison presumption does not apply because this is not a wrongful discharge case.   We disagree.   The wrongful refusal to rehire situation of Doane’s case is sufficiently analogous to the wrongful discharge situation of the Thomlison case to invoke the same presumption.   The record here indicates that Doane had successfully performed this job in spite of his disability for nine years before his discharge, and his visual disability was the only reason asserted for his discharge.   Subsequent to his discharge, Doane sought but was denied reinstatement on several occasions due to his visual disability.   Doane’s final attempt at reinstatement eight years after his discharge was his first opportunity to seek reinstatement under the ADA, and the city offered no basis for refusing to hire Doane other than his visual disability.   Given these circumstances, we conclude that the district court did not err by requiring the city in this wrongful refusal to rehire case to demonstrate that Doane was not qualified for reinstatement, in accordance with the presumption set forth in Thomlison.

      The city also argues that the back pay award should be reduced in light of Doane’s alleged failure to mitigate damages.   The district court refused to consider the failure-to-mitigate issue because the city did not raise the issue at trial.   Even if the issue had been raised earlier, however, the city would not prevail.   The city asserts that Doane failed to mitigate damages because he applied only once for re-employment as a police officer and he voluntarily demoted himself to a lower paying job at one point.   To the contrary, the record, viewed in the light most favorable to Doane, indicates that Doane made several requests for re-employment as a police officer but was denied consideration each time because of his blindness in one eye.   The record also indicates that Doane left the higher-paying dispatcher job to return to the 911 communications job because it was very painful for him to be so closely aligned with police officers yet be denied the opportunity to be one again.   Thus, the record would support a finding that Doane did not fail to mitigate damages.

      For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that the district court did not abuse its discretion in fashioning an appropriate remedy for the city’s discriminatory refusal to rehire Doane.

      III.

      Accordingly, we affirm the judgment of the district court.   We also overrule the city’s motion to strike portions of the record.

      FOOTNOTES

      2.  The Honorable Thomas D. Thalken, United States Magistrate Judge for the District of Nebraska, presiding over the case by the consent of the parties.  28 U.S.C. § 636(c).

      3.  We were informed at oral argument that Doane had been sworn in as an Omaha police officer two days before.

      HANSEN, Circuit Judge.

      For the record, I think that binocular vision is important for a police officer and I would probably support its being a job requirement — but I don’t think that someone who thinks otherwise is obviously wrong. I admire Marlena’s being willing to take her stance in front of the City Council, but that does not make that stance correct.

      • #190 by Friendly Neighbor on June 5, 2012

        Greg. Why don’t you go out the back door of democratic headquarters and sweep up all the cigarette butts all over the parking lot. You can film it if you want to, but please don’t post it here.

      • #191 by truthseeker on June 5, 2012

        Yes it does-there were thousands of eligible people that would have loved to have had that job and there was no need to close the door on someone more qualified. The public servant was serving up a favor for his friends and not for those whom he was serving. Jay should have taken his retirement and moved into something that didn’t involve carrying automatic weapons and driving 100 mph down Commonwealth Ave with one eye. That way he wouldn’t have had to “smash Kelly’s face to hell”.

        • #192 by The Fullerton Shadow on June 5, 2012

          He was also taking a disability check from LAPD and McPension knew it, making them both complicit it a scam on the LAPD retirement system.

          It was whitewashed by the pension board last year but on a rare split vote: those who wanted to go after Cicinelli and those that didn’t want to make the system look bad.

      • #193 by Dr. Zillman on June 5, 2012

        Law or not; there is no way I’m going into a gun fight with a partner who has mono vision. Peripheral vision is vital to ascertain threat location, maintain eye(s) on target, and keep a good sight picture.

        Try passing your peripheral vision eye test with one eye closed next time you are in for your eye exam.

        Not to mention chasing a suspect at high speeds weaving in and out of traffic with mono vision.

        Yes on a desk job.

      • #194 by Marsha on June 5, 2012

        Greg, Why are you here?

  31. #195 by Barry Levinson on June 5, 2012

    Marlena is one of the true heroes in all of this. Her selfless dedication is to be admired and respected.

    If we could just clone her courage, her tenacity and her integrity, the world and certainly the city of Fullerton would be a better place for all of us.

    Thank you Marlena!

    • #196 by Marlena on June 5, 2012

      Thank you Barry for helping me with Bill and all you do…
      Your kind words are taken to heart…,

  32. #197 by Lisa on June 5, 2012

    The recall will fail, and Jay and Ramos will be found “not guilty.” Joe Wolfe will retire with a pension, and the other officers will be back on street patrol shortly.

    And “Kelly’s Army” will soon fade into history without so much as a wimper. It’s been nearly a year now, time to get over it and move on with your lives.

    Bad things happen when you disobey a lawful order — really bad things happen when you are stupid enough to disobey EIGHT of them. Realise that and GROW UP and get over it.

    • #198 by For the record on June 5, 2012

      Small circle . . . enjoy.

    • #199 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

      Lisa you are disgusting! An innocent man was beaten to DEATH. Do you get that? Kelly’s murder will never fade from my memory neither will the faces of his MURDERERS!

      • #200 by Champion Master on June 5, 2012

        She sounds like she had most of the Human abused out of her when she was a young child too, its really really sad. :(

        • #201 by blessusall on June 5, 2012

          You’re probably right about that. Someone with a history of childhood trauma/abuse may actually believe that Kelly deserved to be beaten to death for “disobeying lawful orders” much the way there is a part of them that may believe they deserved to be abused as a child. It is sad.

    • #202 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

      The scope of the response to Kelly’s minor disobedience was beyond all reasonable proportion and Cicinelli’s response in particular was beyond the law. I have my disagreements with people here on FFFF, but they are absolutely right about that.

      • #203 by The Fullerton Shadow on June 5, 2012

        There was no disobedience, minor or otherwise. Kelly was harassed, given contradictory and arbitrary commands and then threatened with physical violence.

        • #204 by Greg Diamond on June 5, 2012

          Yes there was — notably, his standing up — but it in no way called for the response he got. I have no problem accepting that Kelly was a little disobedient and that an officer could go after him for resisting arrest while also believing that the bust was an unjustified roust, that the force used in arresting him was unreasonable even before Cicinelli came onto the scene, and that Cicinelli committed manslaughter. Things don’t have to be 100% black versus white.

          • #205 by The Fullerton Shadow on June 5, 2012

            Wrong again, block head. He stood up after Ramos said “these fists are getting ready to fuck you up…”

            At that point the stop turned illegal, unless we are to disbelieve a career prosecutor and believe an unemployed nitwit living at Democratic Party HQ.

            Kelly had a right to defend himself by backing away from his asailants.

            • #206 by Joe Sipowicz on June 5, 2012

              Please leave him alone.

      • #207 by Marsha on June 5, 2012

        Then shut the f up.

    • #208 by truthseeker on June 5, 2012

      Lisa my darling, the NDAA along with the long train of other hideous laws will soon be implemented on you and your children by the private contractors merging with the military as your reward for licking the jackboots. Wake up and join the right side of things. Do the right thing. Murder is murder. If you want to go down that slippery slope on a toboggan, go for it- head first. Fullerton is not camp x ray. Getting tried, convicted, and executed in the gutter is not the legal penalty for being a schizo smart ass. Stray dogs are treated better by animal control officers. You know about 2 weeks after Kelly’s murder, I witnessed, to my astonishment, A Fullerton police officer, stop his car on Raymond Ave and block the street so a DUCK could cross. My kids were just as perplexed as I was as we were returning from a Kelly Thomas protest that Saturday afternoon. You people got it all wrong.

      • #209 by Champion Master on June 5, 2012

        The worst times in history also do tend to bring out the greatest in people.

        • #210 by Elmer Fudd on June 5, 2012

          You mean the Police didn’t run them over like you thought they would? Get a life.

    • #211 by Marlena on June 5, 2012

      Lisa, I am sure you wish Kelly’s Army would go away.
      But you will not get that wish…
      We are only growing and getting more organized.

    • #212 by Jane H on June 6, 2012

      “The recall will fail”

      You should be choking on your own words by now.

  33. #213 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

    Greg, I enjoy your witty responses, but disagree with you. I watched the video and saw a man who never gave up despite apologizing. He resisted until he was handcuffed.

    • #214 by Champion Master on June 5, 2012

      What the DA does and says matters. BS doesnt.

    • #215 by For the record on June 5, 2012

      Correction: He fought for his life until they suffocated him to the point of brain death.

  34. #217 by FullertonGirl65 on June 5, 2012

    Rock on, Marlena!

    • #218 by Marlena on June 5, 2012

      You too FullertonGirl
      We are all in this together…
      Justice for Kelly Thomas

  35. #219 by Two-time loser on June 5, 2012

    Any early numbers yet?

  36. #225 by Tony Serra on June 5, 2012

    Has Greg Diamond officially hijacked this blog?

    It’s like someone talking through a Concert or Baseball game.

    I AM USUALLY THE GUY WHO STANDS UP AND POLITELY SUGGESTS THEY MIGHT BE MORE COMFORTABLE SOMEPLACE ELSE. I don’t want to have to be that here.

  37. #226 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

    Any exit poll numbers?
    Keep us watching from a distance posted, please!

    • #227 by For the record on June 5, 2012

      No one has funded it to my knowledge.

      • #228 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

        So there is no prediction(s) based on anything?…..?
        phone calls/surveys, etc.?

        • #229 by For the record on June 5, 2012

          Anyone care to take a guess? I’m betting it passes 2-1 with 22k votes cast. 14-15k in favor of the recall.

          Sorry, local politics. No one funds this stuff.

          • #230 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

            It may be local politics but “I’m guessing” this has a lot of people following the results.

  38. #231 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

    I wonder if the three tired turkeys show up for tonight’s city council meeting?

    The agenda looks a little light, but if it’s possible to string the meeting out with public comments, the first election tallies will be at 8:05pm and 9:30pm.

    I’d love to watch their reaction as the night progresses on.

    • #232 by For the record on June 5, 2012

      If you’re going, be sure to remind them that they have a responsibility to not execute their decision making authority once recalled. This is going to be a landslide.

      • #233 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

        I believe that’s contingent on the Registrar of Voters certifying the results, which could take days or weeks.

        • #234 by peaches on June 5, 2012

          As well as California’s Secretary of State, I think – but there is a specified time frame for doing so (30 days?)

          • #235 by For the record on June 5, 2012

            All the more reason to remind them of their responsibility.

            In my opinion, if I were to lose a recall, I’d be acting out of ego and spite if I were to continue to sit and vote on the council after an election where it became evident that I’d lost any semblance of the authority to govern the electorate.

            If they lose 2-1 and still vote, well, then any redeeming quality they had left will be gone. They can’t be that self-centered, can they?

            • #236 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

              Yes.

              They’ve been acting out of ego and spite for almost a year now.

              I fully expect them to conduct business as usual until their last breathing moment on the council. I also expect them to throw Tony Bushala under the bus tonight for his appeal about the brewery.

              • #237 by Fred Alcazar on June 5, 2012

                That will be fun. The conditions put on the beer bar are so permissive that the Three Bald Tires might actually have to do the right thing.

                • #238 by karma on June 5, 2012

                  agree w/Snakes…They will never do the right thing, especially if they have the opportunity to spite Tony.

          • #239 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

            Good question. I don’t know.

  39. #240 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

    An interesting article was published by the folks at The Blaze today. Never in a million years did I expect to see Wisconsin’s recalls mentioned in the same sentence as Fullerton’s.

    Who’s getting recalled today?

    In this age of political discontent, recall elections are gaining popularity. While we have all heard about Scott Walker’s battle to keep his elected position, there are actually a total of 17 recall elections going on all across the country today: six in Wisconsin; three in Fullerton, California, three in Greenfield, California and five in Hermiston, Oregon!

    In 2011, there were at least 150 recall elections held in the United States, with 75 officials ultimately recalled. The year set a record for the number of state legislator recalls

    As of today, there have already been 103 recall elections in 2012. Recall Elections blogger Joshua Spivak has the breakdown:

    • 32 recalls resulted in a vote for removal. They took place in 17 different states
    • 14 recalls resulted in a resignation in the face of removal
    • 1 recall failed to get on the ballot, but the official resigned anyway
    • 1 recall saw the official die in office
    • 27 recalls resulted in the targeted official won the recall election
    • 30 are scheduled to take place between today and August
    • 6 instances, most notable El Paso, Texas, a judge rejected the recall.
    • 6 other instances, the targeted officials are either still fighting the recall in court or refusing to schedule one as a member of the city council.
    • 52 attempted recalls (at least) that failed to gather enough signatures to get on the ballot.
    • 115 (at least) open and unresolved recall petitions circulating now (I may be off on this — in some of these, the recall might have been abandoned).

    http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/06/05/whos-getting-recalled-today/

  40. #241 by 3 councilmen face recall over alleged beating death in Fullerton, California on June 5, 2012

    Christine Walker, a supporter of the recall, said she was confident that all three council members would be ousted Tuesday, “because we’ve been able to just expose a light on the dirty politics on the city of Fullerton for more than 30 years.”

    “In less than 24 hours, we’re going to have our city back,” Walker said on Tuesday.

    One of the three councilmen facing recall, McKinley, said an “incredible” amount of money was behind the recall campaign.

    Regarding Thomas’ death, McKinley said: “If we would have let our feelings be known that we were appalled by all this — just like anyone else we were appalled by it — perhaps it would have quelled it a bit, but I think it would’ve went forward anyway.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/05/us/california-fullerton-recall-election/index.html

    • #242 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

      Like I said, “I’m guessing” a lot of eyes are on this.

    • #243 by Marsha on June 5, 2012

      If you woulda, coulda, shoulda, too late, too bad.
      Does anyone truly think he was appalled by this?
      Not by a long shot.

  41. #244 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

    For the record :
    Anyone care to take a guess? I’m betting it passes 2-1 with 22k votes cast. 14-15k in favor of the recall.
    Sorry, local politics. No one funds this stuff.

    This seems reasonable to me. But who knows? We’ll know the answer in about 6 hours.

    • #245 by Champion Master on June 5, 2012

      The issue is muted by the severity and extremely explosive nature of it all!

      “YOU CAN FIGHT CITY HALL (Fullerton)!”

  42. #246 by Shimon Mendel on June 5, 2012

    Election prediction… at least 2 get recalled, and only one ‘tony friendly’ candidate gets in.

    • #247 by This I Say on June 5, 2012

      One recalled, all recalled. It’s all or nothing. If the recall succeeds it’ll be Kiger, Sebourn and Chaffee.

      • #248 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

        I agree with you 100%.

      • #249 by Kelly's Heroes on June 5, 2012

        McSociopath is definitely out.

  43. #250 by Brandon on June 5, 2012

    It’s sad to see so many people attacking Cicinelli on a personal level for losing an eye. There are plenty of other things to comment on: his psychiatric state after losing the eye, his sadistic. calculated brutality, the fact that his family members are discounting his role in murdering Kelly Thomas, etc, without having to make disrespectful, sophmoric insults that I would expect to see from those supporting the accused officers rather than those supporting justice for Kelly Thomas.

    • #251 by Kelly's Heroes on June 5, 2012

      Jay should have understood what it is like to be a victim of crime, but it seems it must of slipped his mind when he bashed Kelly’s face up that night.
      Jay deserves the same mercy he gave Kelly. That is what he gets for becoming a bad Cop. Jays actions that night, completely negated the empathy we have for what he went through when his eye got shot out.

    • #252 by Shimon Mendel on June 5, 2012

      Brandon-You’re right. Simple truth is Jay was damaged goods when he was hired (sorry greg diamond). Bottom line he became a brutal cop. He has to pay.

    • #253 by blessusall on June 5, 2012

      I agree. I believe he should be held accountable for his actions but I would not cast aspersions based on having been shot and losing an eye. I really believe that he was done a huge disservice when he was hired for FPD after he had already been found to be too disabled to continue with LAPD. Sometimes tragic things happen that disrupt the plans we have for ourselves and our lives and that’s what it sounds like happened to him. He was determined that he wanted to be a police officer and not just a desk job and I admire that but it just wasn’t the right thing to do. Sometimes you just have to say no when someone wants to do something that is potentially harmful to them and/or others. I am still wondering about whether he has TBI from the gunshot because, again, that would be much more problematic than the problems caused by only having one eye. People with TBI can be unpredictable and volatile at times with poor impulse control and explosive anger. They can go off in a rage in a split second and, when it is over, go back to being completely calm and self-possessed, as if nothing happened.

      • #254 by Marsha on June 5, 2012

        No one holds hate for a disabled man, right?
        It is all in what you do with your circumstances.
        He obviously had psychological issues from his injury. That should have been taken into account by any law enforcement agency that hired him. Did Fullerton PD consider this? Obviously not.

    • #255 by MittRomneysDog on June 5, 2012

      While I agree that the “Cyclops” jokes are somewhat offensive, the fact that Cicinelli deliberately targeted Kelly Thomas’ eye with the butt – end of his Taser – the same eye he himself lost – is infinitely more offensive to me. Any sympathy I may have had for him for the initial injuries he received while working for the LAPD vanished with that act of brutality alone.

  44. #256 by Kelly's Heroes on June 5, 2012

    I’m looing forward to good news.

  45. #257 by Shimon Mendel on June 5, 2012

    Shimon Mendel :Election prediction… at least 2 get recalled, and only one ‘tony friendly’ candidate gets in.

    Probably Chaffee will get in.

  46. #258 by SDLocal on June 5, 2012

    This website has descended into childlike madness.

    Good luck and all my best hopes to the good citizens of Fullerton. And most of all, I hope for justice for Kelly Thomas. I hope it all works out for his family, friends and supporters, and I trust the bad guys will get their due, in every way.

    Fullerton clearly has some personal issues to solve, and I wish you well. Kelly is in the hands of Heaven and the courts, and maybe the FBI. Maybe.

    Good luck, Godspeed, and God bless the wonderful people of Fullerton.

    Adios. I’ll be watching and listening.

  47. #259 by Paul Lucas on June 5, 2012

    I wish I lived in fullerton so i could hav e voted in this recall to remove the three subjects of the recall. Im proud of the work that Tony Bushala Travis Krieger, and Cbhris Thompson have done the past 11 months. Let this serve as a template and example to the electorate what a group of determined individuals can collectively accomplish. Tonyand company Im proud to call you friendss. Cheers too all of Fullerton.

  48. #260 by Brandon on June 5, 2012

    Kelly’s: I have little empathy for him as well and do not by any means excuse his behavior because of his likely damaged psyche. I wish he was getting charged with second degree murder at the very least. I just don’t like seeing him attacked for having a physical disability.

    Shimon: There is really no way for us to know if Cicinelli was an angry, brutal, sadistic individual prior to losing his eye, but that event no doubt contributed to his psychological make-up going into the night he helped beat and suffocate Kelly Thomas to death. I still find it ironic how many police apologists questioned why Kelly’s family did not do more to keep him off the streets but have not said anything about why Cicinelli’s family did not do more to make sure he got appropriate psychiatric help after being shot and losing the eye.

    • #261 by Jane H on June 6, 2012

      “I still find it ironic how many police apologists questioned why Kelly’s family did not do more to keep him off the streets but have not said anything about why Cicinelli’s family did not do more to make sure he got appropriate psychiatric help after being shot and losing the eye.”

      Me too. It seems that’s all they got.

  49. #262 by Dr. Zillman on June 5, 2012

    Lisa :
    The recall will fail, and Jay and Ramos will be found “not guilty.” Joe Wolfe will retire with a pension, and the other officers will be back on street patrol shortly.
    And “Kelly’s Army” will soon fade into history without so much as a wimper. It’s been nearly a year now, time to get over it and move on with your lives.
    Bad things happen when you disobey a lawful order — really bad things happen when you are stupid enough to disobey EIGHT of them. Realise that and GROW UP and get over it.

    “Llisa:”
    Are you a male, female or ?

  50. #263 by Dr. Zillman on June 5, 2012

    Friendly Neighbor :
    Greg. Why don’t you go out the back door of democratic headquarters and sweep up all the cigarette butts all over the parking lot. You can film it if you want to, but please don’t post it here.

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

    LMFAO!!!!

  51. #264 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

    CITY COUNSEL MEETING TONIGHT 6:30

  52. #266 by Momof4js on June 5, 2012

    I can’t go to the meeting tonight – what channel can I watch the meeting on? I’m in Fullerton :-)

    • #267 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

      Fullerton City Council meetings are broadcast live the day of the meeting on the City’s government cable channel, Channel 3. Citizens must be Time Warner Cable subscribers to receive the broadcasts. In addition, each meeting is rebroadcast twice on Channel 3 – at 6 p.m. the Wednesday and Sunday immediately following a meeting.

      http://www.ci.fullerton.ca.us/depts/mayor_n_city_council/council_meeting_broadcasts.asp

    • #268 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

      Hey There. If you have UVERSE, go to channel 99 and follow the prompts.

  53. #269 by Reality Is on June 5, 2012

    No Internet broadcast tonight?

  54. #270 by Concerned Texan on June 5, 2012

    Is there delayed broadcasting tonight or did someone make the decision to no air tonight’s council meeting because of the recall election / vote?

    • #271 by peaches on June 5, 2012

      I’m watching on ATT U-Verse; they are finishing up “presentations” (6:55 or so Pacific)

  55. #272 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

    SO FAR ……….NO…
    THE 3 F’S ARE PROB CRYING

  56. #273 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

    Do we have any election numbers yet?

    • #274 by cg on June 5, 2012

      not till 8:05pm. there is a website.

      • #275 by peaches on June 5, 2012

        And the first votes posted will be absentee ballots

      • #276 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

        Thank you CG!

    • #277 by cg on June 5, 2012

  57. #278 by Concerned Texan on June 5, 2012

    Is there anyone at the council meeting who can tell us what is happening in it?

    • #279 by peaches on June 5, 2012

      I am watching it on U-Verse; it’s presentations at about 6:55 Pacific

  58. #284 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    oh boo, Larry Bennett got some sort of certificate for the GPAC (General Plan Advisory Committee)
    and was there to accept -

  59. #285 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    “Dick” Jones gave the invocation and referenced “trying” or “troubling” times for the Council

    Side note – why doesn’t Fullerton CC have the invocation made by members of various religious groups as other cities do?

    • #286 by Marsha on June 5, 2012

      trying times for the Council? Pffffftttthhhhh!
      Oh woe is me, they haven’t been beaten to death by Fullerton PD, but they are going through trying times indeed.

  60. #287 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

    Dick just made a motion to move public comments to the end of the meeting. What a dick!

    • #288 by Concerned Texan on June 5, 2012

      Can he do that?

      • #289 by peaches on June 5, 2012

        Yes, he can; democracy in action

    • #290 by Marsha on June 5, 2012

      Dick is a dick? Really?

  61. #291 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    Oh, I forgot! The City Attorney’s report on Closed Session noted a “strategy” in a suit (property damage, I think) – potential $6 million dollar settlement?

    OH, “Dick” just asked as a “point of privilege” that Public Comments be moved to the END of the meeting.

    Motion seconded, QS moves to have Public Comments now for 20 minutes at 2 mins each and remainder at end of meeting; she got a second.

    3-2 for Public Comments to move to end of meeting

    • #292 by Concerned Texan on June 5, 2012

      Just for that I hope every citizen in Fullerton voted “yes” on the recall. Are they going to try and pass as much shady stuff as they can while they still have seats?

  62. #293 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

    Did Silva bow down to Dick?

    • #294 by Disgusted on June 5, 2012

      Prolly not the first time.

  63. #295 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    However – there are a couple of public hearings (Bootleggers is one) and there will probably be many comments for that

  64. #296 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    No, the three sea slugs voted as a bloc for “Dick’s” motion, and against QS’ motion, so “Dick’s” motion passed and not hers

    • #297 by Disgusted on June 5, 2012

      Arrogant bastards all the way up to the end!

  65. #298 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

    The Dicktator probably had the internet feed taken down too.

    If you can reach anyone there have them ask the person who handles the stream why stream is offline.

  66. #299 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    Staff member is recommending denial of the appeal about Bootleggers; public input should follow shortly

  67. #300 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    No questions from council, and it’s Tony Bushala’s turn (he is the appellant against the expansion of Bootleggers – just to remind )

  68. #301 by Recall Election in Fullerton on June 5, 2012

    “When I first heard that somebody was going to try to recall us, I thought, why?” wondered Fullerton Councilmember Pat McKinley.

    http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Recall-Election-in-Fullerton-157361025.html

  69. #302 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    Last speaker on Bootleggers asked why the three did not recuse themselves from a vote given the circumstances

  70. #303 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    Speaker now (7:30 Pacific) who looks to be in the same age group as the three is speaking against allowing the expansion, bless his heart :)

  71. #304 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    T-Minus 30 minutes till results.

    All Kelly’s Army personnel… hold fast!

  72. #305 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    T-Minus 20 minutes till initial results.

    Weapons hot. All units stand by.

  73. #306 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    T-Minus 10 minutes till initial results.

    Remember Kelly Thomas.

  74. #307 by Jt on June 5, 2012

    “Expansion is what made America great….” “Fullerton is open for business” – Dick Jones, June 5th, 2012.

    Sigh.

  75. #308 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    GMTA!

    • #309 by Jt on June 5, 2012

      Someone ought to tell the Native Americans and Mexicans about how great that expansion was.

  76. #310 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    Sounds like he’s been hanging out there

  77. #311 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    We have initial results! We have initial results!

    Recall YES is leading by about 60 to 30 for all three targets.

    • #312 by Marsha on June 5, 2012

      Good!

  78. #313 by Fullerton to pay homeowners $6 million on June 5, 2012

  79. #314 by Concerned Texan on June 5, 2012

    I’m disappointed that Doug Chaffee won Pat McKinley’s seat. I understand that Levinson and Rowe split the vote, but it’s disappointing that a candidate who refused to take sides on the recall profited from it.

    • #315 by Wrong Guy on June 5, 2012

      Where did you learn this from CT?
      Could you wach the video?

      • #316 by Concerned Texan on June 5, 2012

        No video tonight, there’s a website with unofficial results. They’ll update it in an hour. Think all the votes are in?

        http://www.ocvote.com/fileadmin/live/pri2012/results.htm#c-1304

        • #317 by peaches on June 5, 2012

          NO – these are absentee ballots that were mailed in to the Registrar’s office; the ballots cast today (in person or by delivering a completed absentee ballot) must be transported to the Registrar’s office for tallying – those results should start being reported within an hour or sooner…

          • #318 by Concerned Texan on June 5, 2012

            Is it still safe to say that all three have been recalled? I wouldn’t want to step on my own weenie or anything….

        • #319 by The Brea on June 5, 2012

          Anyone but Doug Chafeing …Anyone …Please

          • #320 by Disgusted on June 5, 2012

            Grow up and stop picking on Doug. If you want to continue acting like some 11 year old snot, facebook is thataway –>

  80. #321 by Wrong Guy on June 5, 2012

    GOOD LUCK ON THE RECALL FULLERTON!
    The Tres Amigos voted to put the public comments at the end of the council meeting since ALL that media was present…

    They have also conveniently ommited this meeting on their website’s live vidio stream…

    Only two(2) more reasons to recall those incompetents.

  81. #322 by The Results on June 5, 2012

    Jones: In
    McKinley: In
    Bankhead: Out

    Jones and McKinley are two important key players. There is a reason why the FBI isn’t getting involved.

    Connect the dots.

    Good night!

    • #323 by Concerned Texan on June 5, 2012

      Actually all three are out by at least a 65% vote…

    • #324 by Disgusted on June 5, 2012

      All three are out. You douchenozzle!

    • #325 by Jt on June 5, 2012

      Where are you getting these results when the OC election’s board is still tallying?

      And what do you mean with your other comments about the FBI, etc?

      Connect the dots for us why don’t you.

    • #326 by Wrong Guy on June 5, 2012

      Nice BS there, either Reality Is or John Doe…

  82. #327 by Disgusted on June 5, 2012

    Just waiting for the fat lady to sing. Erin?

    • #328 by The Brea on June 5, 2012

      Grow up and stop picking on Erin. If you want to continue acting like some 11 year old snot, facebook is thataway –>

      • #329 by Disgusted on June 5, 2012

        Lol! Someone has a crush! Eat shit assclown!!!

  83. #330 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    As noted above, these initial results are absentee ballots mailed to the Registrar’s office, but it’s interesting because there is a “rule of thumb” that absentee ballots reflect “conservative” votes…

  84. #331 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

    The day of reckoning has arrived.

    Goodbye Don, Dick, and Pat.

  85. #332 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    My understanding is that these are the initial results. Mainly the early and absentee ballots. The results should be updated through the night.

    But, in any event, it’s not looking good for the three bald tires. Not good at all.

  86. #333 by Anna on June 5, 2012

    I broke all my personal records at the gym today in case I’m ever in a situation where I can punch Pat McKinley and his goon squad in the face without repercussion. It’s not likely, but you know, it’s good to be prepared.

  87. #334 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    I see Gasbag Greg and Sharon Sucky Sock are also trailing.

  88. #335 by Election Results Reporting Schedule on June 5, 2012

    Tuesday, June 5th – 9:30 p.m. – first unofficial results from polling places

    Tuesday, June 5th – 10:00 p.m. – second unofficial results from polling places

    Tuesday, June 5th – 10:30 p.m. – third unofficial results from polling places

    Tuesday, June 5th – 11:00 p.m. – fourth unofficial results from polling places

    Tuesday, June 5th – 11:30 p.m. – fifth unofficial results from polling places

    Tuesday, June 5th – 12:00 a.m. – sixth unofficial results from polling places (and tentative last update for the evening)

    http://www.ocvote.com/results/election-results-reporting-schedule/

  89. #336 by I Eat Greg on June 5, 2012

  90. #337 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

    It is important to note that MOST of the absentee votes already counted came from elderly residents not well enough to vote in person. (i.e. the Anti-Recall crowd)

    By the end of the night, I predict the recall passes by a 75% to 25% vote.

    • #338 by cg on June 5, 2012

      I voted absentee and I recent that elderly comment. I am not old…..

      • #339 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

        Did I say all absentee voters are old? Nope.

        • #340 by peaches on June 5, 2012

          You did say “most” but like CG, I vote absentee and that’s for convenience :)

  91. #341 by Orange Cape Hides Me on June 5, 2012

    Hopefully the three stooges stayed late after the Council meeting to pack up their desks and take their pencil cups.

  92. #342 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

    I bet Dick and his buddies excuse themselves from the meeting once public comment starts. Won’t the meeting agenda be completed by then? If they do, that would be total chickenshit!

  93. #343 by Devil's Food on June 5, 2012

    In other news, let us all note that despite the faint sound of the bells of freedom ringing out in Fullerton, OC Republicans still really, truly, suck:

    MITT ROMNEY (REP) 75,601 84.2%
    RON PAUL (REP) 7,049 7.8%

  94. #344 by cg on June 5, 2012

    I hate Chaffee. Just another good old boy. Come on Norby, no SSSSSSilva….

  95. #345 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    I’m actually with Snakes on this one. 65% is pretty damn good, but we can do better. I want them crushed.

    • #346 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

      Ditto John

  96. #347 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

    Where the hell did Dick go? He’s off the Dais.

    • #348 by Concerned Texan on June 5, 2012

      He voted to move public comments to the end so that he could leave before them.

  97. #349 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

    And now Pat walks off! What a piece of shit.

  98. #350 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

    And who the hell is breathing so hard?

  99. #351 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    Tracey,

    Maybe he’s preparing to evacuate town. :)

    One could hope…

    • #352 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

      I sure hope so John!

  100. #353 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    Tracey – I think it is Bankhead; he has been accused of falling asleep at various meetings and perhaps he has narcolepsy/sleep apnea

  101. #354 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    Bankhead probably drew the “short straw” as to which of the three of them would stay to maintain a quorum (not sure if there *is* a need for a quorum at this point, but…)

    • #355 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

      Exactly peaches. They do need three and sice Bankhead sleeps through it anyway, he probably volunteered.

  102. #356 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

    So McKinley and Jones bailed?

    Was this because somebody told them how the results were shaping up?

  103. #357 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

    Does anyone know when the transition of the three out and the three in takes place? Is it days, weeks???

  104. #358 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    County registrar has to certify – thats 3 to 4 weeks; State Secretary of State may also have to certify

    • #359 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

      Thanks peaches. Wonder if they will preside over the next council meeting?

  105. #360 by cg on June 5, 2012

    Looks like their having a party at Steamers.

  106. #361 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

    is the video the live stream on the website? i can’t seem to locate the video button, just the agenda for the 6/5 meeting.

    • #362 by karma on June 5, 2012

      ooops, missed that part of the thread, what a bummer, I have Dish Network.

      keep the commentary coming.

  107. #363 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    Tracey – hard to tell; next meeting is scheduled for June 19th (2 weeks) – unless, given the importance of the recall, it is certified before then; of course, if the three are recalled (OC Registrar is still only showing absentee results at 9:25 Pacific), they may not show up and then the meeting is cancelled for a lack of quorum

  108. #364 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

    Oh Lord…

  109. #365 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

    Go away Pam Keller.

  110. #366 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    okay – 7 of 87 precincts now posted and the percentages continue for recall! Posted at 9:30 p.m. or so Pacific

    • #367 by Concerned Texan on June 5, 2012

      I’m kinda depressed that more people voted to not recall Bankhead since the first update. It amazes me…

      • #368 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

        Huh?

      • #369 by peaches on June 5, 2012

        CT – the polls closed almost 2 hours ago, these are the first results from absentee ballots and a partial count of today’s ballots cast

  111. #370 by Paul Lucas on June 5, 2012

    wheres the victory party at?

  112. #371 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

    • #372 by peaches on June 5, 2012

      I just checked your link and I am surprised that so many ballots are still at polling places and/or en route to the Registrar 2 and 1/2 hours after polls closed; we aren’t talking about taking ballots from Lancaster to Norwalk (LA County Ballots), after all! Or perhaps the updates are far behind.

      I am also off to sleep and hope to awake to good news – unlike 1968.

  113. #373 by nipsey on June 5, 2012

    Adios, scumbags. I wonder if the three ex-councilmembers will even their fat faces at the next meeting, or if they’ll just bail altogether. Who cares, they’re gonzo.

    Now, on to Fall, because the forces of darkess are gathering for a last, hail-Mary style push. In the meantime I hope Travis, Bruce and Greg start cleaning house while they have a breather..

  114. #374 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    9:30 numbers are in. Numbers are still holding at about 65% in favor of recall.

  115. #375 by fuller-orange on June 5, 2012

    Looks good at 2142hrs!!!!!!!!

  116. #376 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    Next update should be at 10:00 PM (22:00).

  117. #377 by cg on June 5, 2012

    Looks like Greg Diamond spent to much time blogging.

    • #378 by Marsha on June 5, 2012

      or picking up litter

    • #379 by Greg Diamond on June 6, 2012

      Huh? I wasn’t worrying about my campaign; I was worried about other ones. Now my campaign starts.

      • #380 by Disgusted on June 6, 2012

        You lost dumbshit. It wasn’t even close.

  118. #381 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

    Chaffee’s brother is speaking. OMG He stated he didn’t vote for his brother.

  119. #382 by Tracey on June 5, 2012

    And it’s over.

  120. #383 by The Brea on June 5, 2012

    Has anyone found out why the internet feed is out?

    Something there has to know about it.

    • #384 by The Brea on June 5, 2012

      Is anyone even recording the session?

  121. #385 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    cg,

    No shit. Funny thing is, I’m a registered Democrat, but I couldn’t possibly tell you what he stands for other than being a windbag and a political hack.

    • #386 by cg on June 5, 2012

      It appears he likes to hear himself typing and copy and paste. He stands for nothing.

      • #387 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

        http://i.imgur.com/ig5i9.jpg

        Look at that picture, the guy is a grade a loser. A boy in the body of a 350 lb 50-something year old man.

        It almost seems like Silva wedged that lady in between so she wouldnt be photographed standing directly next to him.

        I don’t blame her either. I wouldnt want to be photographed near that sandusky-ite creep either.

  122. #388 by Brandon on June 5, 2012

    “Start spreading the news….. They’re leaving today”

    • #389 by cg on June 5, 2012

      And don’t let the door hit you on your “ass” on the way out.

  123. #390 by Van get it da artiste on June 5, 2012

    Just read in OC Register by Lou ponsi that the recall has a strong start.

    • #391 by Plato on June 5, 2012

      Why didn’t you run Ms Fong?

  124. #392 by peaches on June 5, 2012

    On KTLA News (10:06 or so Pacific) there was a clip of a brief comment from McKinley – he essentially conceded

  125. #393 by McFate on June 5, 2012

    The web site has a countdown clock indicating that the next update isn’t until almost 10:30. As of right now…

    Recall Jones: 65.7% Yes
    Top vote-getter for replacement: Kiger (59.4%)

    Recall McKinkey: 65.6% Yes
    Top vote-getter for replacement: Chaffee (41.7%)

    Recall Bankhead: 65.9% Yes
    Top vote-getter for replacement: Sebourn (41.4%)

    In all three cases “Yes” (recall) leads by about 2.5k votes out of 8k cast.

  126. #394 by Marsha on June 5, 2012

    • #395 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

      look at all the 6′s.

      • #396 by truthseeker on June 6, 2012

        of course- the darks side’s signature as they are escorted out

  127. #397 by Hog Wild on June 5, 2012

    Marlena, you told McKinley that you do not understand why he hired Cicinelli, a disabled person. Well… the reason you don’t understand it is because he did not hire Cicinelli, a disabled person.

    Cicinelli was not listed as “Disabled” by LAPD. Many of you keep referring to him as being disabled, and he was not. Therefore, he was able to be hired by another department with a fully qualified P.O.S.T. certificate.

    Cicinelli passed all of the required testing, and passed additional testing due to the shooting incident he was involved in. He passed every test given and was deemed fully qualified. All those doctors could not be wrong. Psych docs included. He worked for a year and received no salary. He was told he had to prove himself, which he did.

    The city took advantage of having an officer on the street without paying him, but they couldn’t let that go on forever and they hired him.

    Who do you think does the hiring for the city? The answer is.. The City Council, City Manager, City Attorney and the Chief of Police. Not one lone person. Could they all be wrong? Not!

    Don’t believe everything you read on this blog. It will not serve you well to do so.

  128. #398 by Marsha on June 5, 2012

    There are only so many unenlightened seniors in any particular county.

  129. #399 by Marsha on June 5, 2012

    Where is Greg Diamond tonight?

    • #400 by Brea Resident on June 5, 2012

      Cleaning up after Summerfest???

      How “Greg” is that?

    • #401 by Greg Diamond on June 6, 2012

      I was at the party at our Fullerton Democratic HQ and have spent the last few hours crunching numbers. Why do you ask?

  130. #402 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    Marsha,

    Probably blogging about how the voters are wrong.

    Though I anticipate he’ll gloat about Chaffee tomorrow.

    • #403 by Greg Diamond on June 6, 2012

      Nope — I congratulate Tony, Travis, Greg on their victories. I’m glad that Barry didn’t join them.

  131. #404 by Marsha on June 5, 2012

    I guess everyone is out celebrating.
    Going to bed. Trusting the preliminary votes are accurate.
    Good job Everyone!

  132. #405 by karma on June 5, 2012

    Thank you to EVERYONE who helped make this happen!

  133. #406 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

    FPD just lost their gravy train. UH-OH!!!!

    Let the poop continue to roll down hill.

    Congrats to everyone involved in the recall, YOU smoked the 3 Amigos.

  134. #407 by Creating a Monster on June 5, 2012

    So is this what we now have to look forward to?

    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/06/kelly_thomas_fullerton_ron_thomas_mayor.php

    So I guess the master plan has now been set in motion.

    • #408 by Anonymous on June 6, 2012

      Ron Thomas For Mayor!!!!

  135. #409 by bit-CHEZ on June 5, 2012

    go ron

  136. #410 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    No major change, though Bankhead’s recall numbers just broke 66%.

    I think this thing is done. Adios motherfuckers.

  137. #411 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

    Ron Thomas has officially lost his mind if he wants to become mayor of Fullerton.

    • #412 by Anonymous on June 5, 2012

      Why do you say that?

      Its a free country. If he wants to run, let him.

    • #413 by Anonymous on June 6, 2012

      Snake in the grass, you are out of your mind if you think we won’t vote for him!

  138. #414 by nobody on June 5, 2012

    ABC is reporting that it looks like Chaffee, Kiger and Seaborn will be replacing the dinosaurs…. great job everyone!

  139. #415 by fuller-orange on June 5, 2012

    Don’t fuck with the people!!!!! We have spoken!!!!

  140. #416 by the reckoning is here on June 5, 2012

    Step 1 is complete.

    Step 2 is convicting the thugs that have been brought up on charges.

    Step 3 is the FBI laying the smack-down on those responsible for the cover-up.

    I bet the three stooges don’t feel all high and mighty now. That’s right! You work for US at OUR pleasure. Not the other way around. This is a lesson they will NEVER forget.

    • #417 by Anonymous on June 6, 2012

      Reckoning, be aware and study the mind of a sociopath, like these 3 scumbags, They do not possess the emotional hard wiring normal people have, they are incapable of feeling anything, Threats do not work, physical punishment does not work, they lack or have shallow fear responses do to underdeveloped emotional minds. They can stand right back up and start lying without twitching an eye. They will always be dangerous, and any relationship with them will always become damaging. They need to be isolated from the general public, so you need proof of their crimes.

  141. #418 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    Snakes,

    Why?

    He can take sucky sock’s seat. I don’t see a downside quite frankly.

    • #419 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

      Read the article again. He doesn’t want to be a mere councilmember, he wants to be a dictator mayor.

      I feel terrible about his son, but he’s the last person who should be in that position. Has conflict of interest written all over it.

      • #420 by Anonymous on June 6, 2012

        Snake eyes, I personaly hope Ron becomes Mayor, and you move out of California.

    • #421 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

      Marsha :
      Where is Greg Diamond tonight?

      Probably on suicide watch.

      Not only did Scott Walker win in Wisconsin, he got his own ass kicked locally, and all of the candidates he supported also lost.

      • #422 by Greg Diamond on June 6, 2012

        Nope — I’m sorry about some of the results, but I had some nice surprises too (including WI State Senate 21. This is politics; you note the results, put them aside for analysis, and move on.

        I’ll write about some thoughts tomorrow. Don’t hurt yourself trying to read it.

  142. #423 by fuller-orange on June 5, 2012

    We shall overcome and we did!!!! Congratulations!!!!

  143. #424 by fuller-orange on June 5, 2012

    I love it when a plan comes together!!!

    • #425 by Anonymous on June 6, 2012

      But now that plan has to stay afloat. The city needs some big time house cleaning, like that city clerk, and city manager. Better keep them from shredding documents.

  144. #426 by fuller-orange on June 5, 2012

    His son was murdered less than a year ago…give Ron a break!!!!

  145. #427 by fuller-orange on June 5, 2012

    Go Ron….be King of Fullerton….Fuck em all!!!!

    • #428 by Anonymous on June 6, 2012

      Ron will make a great mayor.

  146. #429 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    Snakes,

    He wants a “council-mayor” city like 60% of the cities in the U.S. That’s a very common form of city government. Hardly a dictatorship.

    You also can’t have a conflict of interest if you’re interest is dead. He clearly wants to come down like a ton of bricks on the FPD, but so does most of the voters (more than 65% to be precise).

    I don’t know if he’ll go as far as chartership, but if he ran for sucky sock’s seat he could probably get that easily.

    • #430 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

      Ron Thomas wants Fullerton to become a charter city wherein the mayor (himself) would receive powers the City Manager currently has.

      A major conflict of interest IMHO. His anger toward the City is understandable given what happened to Kelly. But his motives for running are not supportive of the residents of Fullerton, he wants to do it for himself. Plus he’s going to be getting a large settlement courtesy of us, the taxpayers, at some point in the future. There’s no way I would vote for him. Sorry.

      • #431 by Anonymous on June 6, 2012

        Plus he’s going to be getting a large settlement courtesy of us, the taxpayers, at some point in the future. There’s no way I would vote for him. Sorry.

        You’re free to vote for whomever you like for whatever reason just like he’s free to run but in case you forgot, his son was brutally beaten and suffocated to death.

      • #432 by Ima Crank on June 6, 2012

        I thought hell would freeze over first, but I agree with Snakes.

        GODDAM IT!

      • #433 by Fred Alcazar on June 6, 2012

        Ron has no experience running anything. He should stay out of politics.

        Plus he doesn’t live here.

  147. #434 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 5, 2012

    Snakes,

    Actually, Greg supported Chaffee. We’ll undoubtedly hear about that tomorrow.

    • #435 by Snakes on June 5, 2012

      In that case, my bad.

    • #436 by Greg Diamond on June 6, 2012

      Not really much to say. The result sort of speaks for itself.

  148. #437 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 6, 2012

    Ron SHOULD get a settlement. More importantly though, he should get an apology and admission of fault. With the dinos gone, it’s time to do the right thing.

  149. #438 by I POOPED A MATT on June 6, 2012

    …………And flushed him twice.

    • #439 by Snakes on June 6, 2012

      Chris Thompson was right. A vote for Matt was a vote for Chaffee.

      I don’t think Matt is evil. He just needs to mature a bit, show some humility, and come to terms with what he really believes (none of this “independent” BS) and run again.

      I would gladly reconsider voting for him in a future election.

    • #440 by andy anderson on June 6, 2012

      Fuck off ‘i pooped a matt’.

      Use your real name and go fuck yourself.

      Wow, that felt good to finally be able to tell you that.

  150. #441 by stand up on June 6, 2012

    to all those who said the recall will fail, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    • #442 by Kelly's heroes on June 6, 2012

      I concur!

  151. #443 by Damn Shame on June 6, 2012

    Its a damn shame Barry Levinson didn’t win. Instead of the well spoken and well read guy, we’re stuck with the stumbling stuttering bumbling guy until next election.

    • #444 by No Kikes on June 6, 2012

      Did you ever think Barry might be a mmmmm?

      • #445 by Devil's Food on June 6, 2012

        We don’t need anti-Semites in Fullerton, asshole. Feel free to leave. I believe the great white homeland is in Montana.

  152. #446 by Orange Cape Hides Me on June 6, 2012

    Conspicuously absent from tonight’s postings are Lisa (Trina) Cicinelli and John Doe.

    Lisa and John, looks like your team took another bullet tonight.

    Next order of business, the conviction of Jay Cicinelli and Manny Ramos and forfeiture of their pension plans for conviction of a felony while performing official duty.

    Murder has consequences and justice will be served.

    • #447 by stand up on June 6, 2012

      that was the 1st thing i did sent a email to friendsofakiller.org and laughed in their face

    • #448 by Wrong Guy on June 6, 2012

      “Next order of business, the conviction of Jay Cicinelli and Manny Ramos and forfeiture of their pension plans for conviction of a felony while performing official duty. ”

      OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

  153. #449 by stand up on June 6, 2012

    dick-head F jones biggest loser of the nite

  154. #450 by Van get it da artiste on June 6, 2012

    Good!

  155. #451 by Van get it da artiste on June 6, 2012

    Gone are Jones,McKinley and Bankhead and at a loss are their cronies, hanger-ons who dined on our tax dollars given to them by our now ex-city council members.
    One small town’s recall of evil men from government, one big step towards restoring the law of the land, our Bill of Rights . Tonight all people may see the individual’s rights supercede the belief that you can’t fight city hall.
    brave Bushala and the good people of Fullerton rebelled against autocratic ,exploitive city council and its municipal six figure salary echelonites and returned dignity and respect to all of us. Thank you, Tony Bushala

  156. #452 by downtown fan on June 6, 2012

    Really Ron thomas wants to be mayor…lol If you were a better dad your kid wouldnt have been on the streets

    • #453 by nipsey on June 6, 2012

      If your parents were better you wouldn’t be such a douche

    • #454 by blessusall on June 6, 2012

      If six Fullerton police officers hadn’t beaten Kelly Thomas to death he’d still be alive.

    • #455 by Wrong Guy on June 6, 2012

      Yeah. Your momma brought you up wrong is what it is ‘dowtown fan’.

  157. #456 by beware on June 6, 2012

    Revelation, (6:8): “And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him….”

  158. #457 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 6, 2012

    Stfu Downtown Fan.

  159. #458 by John Hokanson Jr. on June 6, 2012

    KTLA is reporting that Jones was heard to exclaim “I’ve had enough” as he left the dias and walking out on the meeting. Presumably because the election results had just come in.

    What a piece of work.

    • #459 by Kelly's heroes on June 6, 2012

      Nothing is ever good enough for a sociopath like Jones, because sociopaths Are missing emotional attachment to anything or anyone. Life is only a game to them, and all they want to do is win no matter what. They wander through life wondering what people are getting emotional about because they are incapable of emotions like empathy, they are so shallow, they can go right back in the game and act angry, yet not feel it. The only thing a sociopath understands, is something is missing, so it drives them to become parasitic, like a council person, or a pensioner.

      • #460 by Kelly's heroes on June 6, 2012

        Sociopaths have a spectrum of emotional underdevelopement. there brains operate on a level of someone in a light sleep. Thats what its like to have no conscience, their life is like a dream, and only half real. Thats why it’s so easy for freaks like Jones to fool everyone. They learn how to act and play the game.

        • #461 by Kelly's heroes on June 6, 2012

          Acting and playing the game is the sociopath’s only survival mechanism for they have antisocial personality disorder. They can only survive as parasites; the only thing a sociopath has to offer are the scraps they leave behind unnoticed.

  160. #462 by Pickled Pork Testies on June 6, 2012

    Congratulations to the people of Fullerton from Palm Springs. I wish I could have participated in the recall.

  161. #463 by final election stats on June 6, 2012

  162. #465 by Kelly's heroes on June 6, 2012

    John Hokanson Jr. :
    Snakes,
    He wants a “council-mayor” city like 60% of the cities in the U.S. That’s a very common form of city government. Hardly a dictatorship.
    You also can’t have a conflict of interest if you’re interest is dead. He clearly wants to come down like a ton of bricks on the FPD, but so does most of the voters (more than 65% to be precise).
    I don’t know if he’ll go as far as chartership, but if he ran for sucky sock’s seat he could probably get that easily.

    Don’t forget about voting to roll back pensions, We can’t have Sellers running of with a bag of loot, nor McSociopath, who says he doesn’t lead anyway.

    • #466 by Kelly's heroes on June 6, 2012

      Vote, vote, vote, to roll back those McPensions! Unravel that monetary rope that ties all those corrupt creeps together.

      • #467 by Kelly's heroes on June 6, 2012

        Those pensions are fraudulant anyway. Find a way to make them pay the city back too.

  163. #468 by Kelly's heroes on June 6, 2012

    Creating a Monster :
    So is this what we now have to look forward to?
    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/06/kelly_thomas_fullerton_ron_thomas_mayor.php
    So I guess the master plan has now been set in motion.

    You should change your name to Recalling monsters to restoring civility. You sound like one of those parasitic types we see all the time working for the city.

  164. #469 by One for the books on June 6, 2012

    No video of last night’s meeting?

  165. #470 by Lifesaving Service on June 6, 2012

    Ron vs The Mc Shineling Brothers Circus, LOL.

  166. #471 by Orange Cape Hides Me on June 6, 2012

    Lisa :
    The recall will fail.

    Lisa, have you read the morning paper yet? Jay’s next along with his pension. Kelly’s Army is not going away.

  167. #472 by JustUs on June 6, 2012

    Where the heck is the FFFF celebration blog?

    Where is the staff? Out getting sloshed?

    At least write a paragraph or two between beers!

  168. #473 by Steve Brow on June 7, 2012

    I know I am way late on this, kind of like a congressman standing up and making a “special orders” speech when there is no one left in the chambers.

    But for you one or two fellow blog geeks, I can not resist finding humor in this all.

    Chris Norby used Dave Ellis a few years ago to end the Ackerman’s political carreer. The Ackerman’s were so impressed with Dave Ellis that they hired him in the Fullerton recall to end the Ackerman’s consulting carreer.

    Think of it. Acerman and Ellis can continue to go through Orange County and the Inland Empire (maybe expanding to all of California) and declare that they can confront internet blogging rabble rousers with the likes of Larry Bennet with similar results.

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