The Boys in The White Van have just intercepted this vital communication from former Fullerton Spokesholetress, Sylvia Mudrick to a whole gaggle of Old Guard acquaintances. Hmm. The Bushala Three? Right on! Check it out:
Hi – I have a big favor to ask! As you probably have heard, at the Aug. 7 Council meeting, the Bushala Three, encouraged also by Shawn Nelson, will direct Joe to get a quote from the Sheriff’s Department to take over law enforcement in Fullerton.
I’d like to ask you to – if you agree with keeping the FPD – contact
people on your email list and ask them to either call (714-738-6311), email (council@ci.fullerton.ca.us), or attend the meeting to voice opposition to the Sheriff being asked to take over the city.
Nothing is to be gained by bringing the OCSD on board, while much
would be lost – less manpower in the field and lack of the FPD’s familiarity with the city and its people. Also, the OCSD has had its own hefty share of controversies.
I’ve never felt compelled in my nearly 27 years with the city to send
out this kind of appeal, but Fullerton is in a dire situation and needs help. Hope you agree with the urgency here.
Thanks so much!
Sylvia Mudrick
Interesting that Sylvia thinks nothing is to be gained by gathering information about police service costs. But this sweet lady probably never cared a whit for the people that were paying her own inflated salary and benefits during her 27 year stint with the City, as she peddled mindless PR pabulum to the likes of Lou Ponsi and Barbara Giasone.
Well, we here at FFFF believe that knowledge is power, and that the City Council would not only be remiss, but would be derelict in the duty to the citizenry if they didn’t explore options and collect information.
#1 by Fred Alcazar on August 7, 2012
Nothing to be gained? How about $10,000,000?
#2 by nipsey on August 7, 2012
A year.
#3 by Fungus Amongus on August 7, 2012
Poor Sylvia. Her warped little world-view came crashing down around her on June 5th.
Cut her some slack. Everything’s coming apart in her tiny life.
#4 by DTF on August 7, 2012
dont forget her husband works at the PD and would be out of a job. He works in the property office. The same property office that had $150,000 come up missing and Hughes let the employee who took it retire instead of firing her!!!!
#5 by FFFF Fan on August 7, 2012
‘Tam. The Boys in the White Van strike again!
#6 by Tweedledee on August 7, 2012
Who’s the double-chinned guy in the pantsuit next to Hamilton? Speaking of hefty….
#7 by Good News on August 7, 2012
Shawn Nelson is pitching the OCSD?
Awesome.
#8 by LeRoy Murray on August 7, 2012
Getting a quote? Whats the big deal? Unless they’re afraid it’ll be that much cheaper.
#9 by Tuco Ramirez on August 7, 2012
Sylvia is COMPELLED to send that letter out to everyone! Think for a second, what is wrong with obtaining a quote? When you are a buyer for a large company, you must obtain at least 3 quotes for any goods or services and always avoid NO BID contracts!
Well, Sylvia does not want to know just how much more it costs for the quality services provided by FPD compared to the quality services provided by OCSD. She is willing to stick to the status quo (a can of worms at best) and totally against obtaining any information about what other services are available and their associated costs!
Suck is the mind of a retired bureaucrat. Also she is on a first name basis of course with Joe Felz, the city manager who rested throughout the Kelly Thomas incident while his police chiefs (2) snored into retirement while he did nothing also. The operative words are “do nothing”, the bureaucratic response to most problems in Fullerton!
#10 by van get it da artiste on August 8, 2012
but Joey Felz , as city manager, has funded so well our parks and recreations. I’m sure the majority of Fullertonites who pay exorbitant illegal taxes daily frolic in Felz’s gift to us.
Oh, wait a minute, I have to work long hours at my job and hustle for any overtime I can get while my family holds yard sales on week-ends so we may have the pleasure of living in Fullerton and walking, driving past the parks that are filled with those who drift through life.
#11 by business owner on August 7, 2012
She has a lot to loose as well, her husband works for the police department!! OCSD all the way! I think the future for Fullerton and the surrounding cities is the OCSD! It’s a no brainer, savings to the residence and more resources! My two cents!
#12 by Shame on August 7, 2012
Shame on Sylvia. Where was she when Felz and Company (Bankhead, Jones and McKinley) were silent on the Police killing? Apparently, the value of beaucratic survival is more important than the life of Fullerton residents.
Who will the snakes get to slither up next for a comment? Dudley? Meyer? Galvan? Chalupsky? An endless stable of shame.
#13 by Fullerton Lover on August 7, 2012
I guess my next question after I find out if this media meddler is still employed by the citizens of Fullerton, is why aren’t any of the city councilman asking for the same request for proposal from the Orange County Fire Department?
These never ending tales of cronyism within Fullerton have to cease.
#14 by Duchess II on August 7, 2012
That’s what I was going to ask. Is she now 100 percent retired? If not, wth is she doing??
#15 by David Bailey on August 7, 2012
The “Bushala Three”? hahahahaha
#16 by truthseeker on August 7, 2012
One year later what do they expect, a Royal Caribbean cruise for the entire department? The economy is in free fall, the US lost almost 15 million jobs in the last 12 months and they think the FPD can kill people, pay out lawsuits, act like for months it just it didn’t happen and spend like there is no tomorrow? These folks need to get off of the fluoride and the aspartame. To this very day they think it cant happen? Delusional I tell you. Insane is more like it?
#17 by I Own Fullerton on August 7, 2012
Awesome.
#18 by Anonymous on August 7, 2012
OCSD all the way. Those Fullerton cops will get a pay increase and not have to deal with all the drunks on the streets, the 3 OC Sheriffs on patrol will deal with them! Good luck with that.
#19 by Marlena on August 7, 2012
Justice for Kelly Thomas
#20 by Rocky Raccoon on August 8, 2012
Marlena, where is your Kelly’s Army now?
#21 by peaches on August 7, 2012
Looking forward to 6:30 p.m. and public comments…
#22 by Hate double dippers on August 7, 2012
She’s an idiot flat out. Worked with her for 12 years. Once there was a serious fire at city hall which I discovered and reported to her while a council meeting was in session. She refusd to clear the buildibg and was upset they rolled in code 3. Then again this is the same organization that turned down my suggestion to put a staff phone directory on the city website. Btw NOBODY ever thanked me from saving city hall from certain ruin and ashes. In hindsight…
#23 by BRICON on August 7, 2012
Thank you! ^5! NEXT PROJECT: A permanent oversight committee.
#24 by Rocky Raccoon on August 8, 2012
I detect a little jealousy.
#25 by JustUs on August 7, 2012
Wow. These people are really scared and circling the wagons, aren’t they?
First off, how many of the FPD cops actually live in Fullerton? I’d venture to guess a small %. So please Sylvia, don’t make Fullerton sound like Mayberry RFD because it’s not.
OCSD would provide AT LEAST the same protection for Fullerton as FPD. I would bet the house that 6 of them wouldn’t bludgeon a 135 pound homeless man to death on the streets of Fullerton.
Sorry. FPD needs to learn a lesson. And the message needs to get transmitted to every PD in Orange County.
Secondly, it’s a money issue. Fullerton could save $7-$13M a year. That extra money would sure come in hand when the citizens get handed the bill for all the FPD lawsuits coming down the pike.
If I were free this evening I would stop into the meeting and give them a piece of my mind. I have the utmost respect for you Fullertonians and wish you the very best. You did something no other city in OC history has done (to my knowledge) and you deserve a big standing ‘O’. All of you who voted for the recall have my devoted respect. You people are awesome.
Oh, and Sylvia. Stop rooting for the home team, dear. Do the right thing. You appear to be from the generation that believed in the ‘moral high ground’ and accountability. Let’s all be adults here and do what’s best for civilization. Check your loyalties at the front door tonight. Think “higher ground”.
#26 by Richard Daley on August 7, 2012
Driving the beasts out of the Temple was the easy part. Now we’ll see who can shift some paradigms around here.
#27 by Brandon on August 7, 2012
They sure are in a dire situation. Thanks to the very people she is trying to protect.
#28 by BRICON on August 7, 2012
She’s correct! Modify the police psychological evaluation so you’re hiring brighter people. Milgram’s lower end DO NOT make good cops. You’ll save a ton of money, and brighter lights on the street will be a asset to public moral. Team players in THIS scenario are conscientious. Obviously, when you have a cop that walks up to a mentally challenged individual, dawns a pair of rubber gloves and say, “I’m about to beat the hell out of you,” you’re hiring paradigm has overlooked IQ. This perp not only acts retarded but LOOKS retarded, which is a fitness issue that were you to test for conscience this individual would never have made it through a psychological. You also need someone from oversight involved in the screen process. Some of these guys are being coached in, which is frightening, because this means your city government is intentionally undermining your police force.
#29 by JustUs on August 7, 2012
“She’s correct! Modify the police psychological evaluation so you’re hiring brighter people”
No. I disagree. You can’t really test for crazy. Oh sure, you can identify schizophrenics and multiple personalities or manic/depressives – but those are more or less medical conditions. It’s pretty hard to single out the mean crazies and, unfortunately, those are the kinds that are attracted to police work. What makes it worse is that many hired on had connections on the inside so it really didn’t matter how they scored on the psych test. It was that all-important 10 minute oral interview that carried 90% of the selection weight. That is how the system is gamed. We know why Cicinelli got hired on at FPD. I would like to hear the inside story on Ramos. No doubt in all likelihood there is a story there as well.
“This perp not only acts retarded but LOOKS retarded, which is a fitness issue that were you to test for conscience this individual would never have made it through a psychological”
Again, seek out the inside story. There you will find your answer.
#30 by Fita on August 8, 2012
To #29 Just US: More and More you sound like a CIA MOCKINGBIRD Shill. Is Mean Crazies your new psych disorder term? Hint hint, you love to mix it up to neutralize.
#31 by van get it da artiste on August 8, 2012
Ramos aunt worked for FPd as a meter maid
#32 by John Doe on August 8, 2012
No, I think it was a cousin third removed.
#33 by Snakes on August 7, 2012
Sylvia’s work relationship with the City needs to be severed ASAP.
#34 by Niekon on August 7, 2012
It seems that these folks are calling in the media already. Just saw a piece on NBC4 News @ 6 with people wearing “I <3 FPD" shirts. Isn't this just an exploratory at this time and looking over the numbers before an actual decision is made? Someone is nervous…
#35 by peaches on August 7, 2012
Heck – follow the meeting online – lots of those shirts in the audience
#36 by U GET it on August 7, 2012
very keen eye, now only if you could spell in n’ out!!!
lol
#37 by ISPY on August 7, 2012
The shirts were a free give away!!!
Many speakers said the had always lived in Fullerton so
how would they know other Cities satisfaction with OCSD.!
South County has less problems with OCSD As the bloated and inefficient bullies of Fullerton.
#38 by cg on August 7, 2012
Who’s selling t-shirts? “I LOVE FULLERTON POLICE” WTF!!!!!
Is Hughes selling t-shirts?
#39 by I Own Fullerton on August 7, 2012
It appears it’s a war now. Most money wins.
#40 by Business owner on August 7, 2012
FPOA…
#41 by Sylvia's Mother Says ... on August 7, 2012
Pay her no attention. She’s as cracked as those 3 old coots she’s trying to impress. The only people who are paying any attention to those squawking birds are the members of their bridge club. Piss on every one of them, especially Sylivia! Ungrateful bitch.
#42 by Anonymous on August 7, 2012
Getting a quote is perfectly reasonable, but everyone knows that’s just a farce. Kiger has a short window of time before the next election and he has to pander to the mob. The quote is a smoke screen; the Bushala Three are going to bounce Fullerton PD regardless of cost, service level, quality, etc. they’re only giving the appearance of due diligence. When safely reelected, it will be open season on FPD as long as the mob and Daddy Bushala want it so.
#43 by Manchurian Candidate on August 7, 2012
less manpower in the field and lack of the FPD’s familiarity with the city and its people.
Like Freebies at the slidebar to kill people? She signs her own downfall with the lies she spews…
#44 by U GET it on August 7, 2012
here’s a quote from kiger “um…….ummmm……….uuumm….ahh……….um………….uh…………um.
#45 by U GET it on August 7, 2012
who is this bald bozo in the suit?
Maybe a fpd pig?
#46 by Anonymous on August 7, 2012
Anyone else feel that the more these t-shirt wearing zombies open their mouth, the more they’re burying their own case?
I mean seriously people . . .
#47 by cg on August 7, 2012
Who the HELL is Mr Moore…..Does he live in Fullerton? And WHO is crawling under his desk from the FPOA?
#48 by cg on August 7, 2012
Old Broad just called the council a bunch of dumb asses……
#49 by Disgusted on August 7, 2012
She is funny looking…
#50 by peaches on August 7, 2012
Was it Mr. Moore who referred to “one incident” (apparently KT’s beating death) and ignored other FPD examples of poor behavior?
#51 by U GET it on August 7, 2012
coffman has powder sugar on his chin
#52 by HEY BARRY on August 7, 2012
Coffman:
No, I do not trust you to do anything. The last time the citizens came out to talk to you about how you do your shitty job, you handed out traffic citations.
Don’t lecture anyone about approach-ability. I’ve seen the crap you write and I’ve seen the politics you use.
It’s been over a year since Kelly Thomas was beaten to death by members of your association. You have yet to comment on their performance.
It’s been two weeks since this agenda item became public. Since then, you’ve organized an army of volunteers, a website, a Facebook page, and a phone bank to maintain your contract.
Sir, your priorities are severely distorted.
To the people applauding Mr. Coffman, if you continue to allow him to lead the FPOA, you’ll be out of a job in 2016. He’s hurting your cause and he’s hurting our city.
Ditch him or be prepared to find a new job.
#53 by U GET it on August 7, 2012
I bet every one who is wearing a blue shirt got paid by the police union.
#54 by U GET it on August 7, 2012
fpd 26- buschala trio 0
#55 by U GET it on August 7, 2012
I would love to see jones or mckinley grill kiger, that would be some comedy
#56 by truthseeker on August 7, 2012
Where are they?
#57 by U GET it on August 7, 2012
they have been asleep since 7 o clock
#58 by I Own Fullerton on August 7, 2012
Kiger is not very smart. New council is overwhelmed. This is getting fun.
#59 by YOU GOT, GOT on August 7, 2012
KIGER IS GONNA BE THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO SERVED THE SHORTEST TIME ON BOARD
#60 by U GET it on August 7, 2012
greg diamond sure is a fat ugly looking turd!!!
#61 by Embarrassment to KTMF on August 7, 2012
Hey what about s’yllehs boyfriend, the fat guy who refuses to buy the cow (being yllehs) because he gets the milk for free.
#62 by Greg Diamond on August 8, 2012
After what happened at that meeting, I understand why you’re in such a bad mood.
#63 by U GET it on August 7, 2012
is that bankhead in the first row? oh and he is awake………what
#64 by U GET it on August 7, 2012
the tables sure have turned in fooler’town
#65 by ADAM MOORE VS. BUSCHALA on August 7, 2012
OH ITS ON
#66 by chicken on August 7, 2012
dam, its a cop fest at city hall
and somthing is wrong with greg diomond
#67 by YOU GOT, GOT on August 7, 2012
WHERE IS THAT FAT LADY ERIN @, ALL THOSE OTHER LOUD MOTHS?
#68 by King Rodney on August 7, 2012
They are scared. Very scared. Finally resistance. They like dominance. Bondage. Fullerton is being taken back.
#69 by YOU GOT, GOT on August 7, 2012
OH THERE IS ONE AND SHE HAS TURNED HER BACK ON THE BUSCHALA THREE
#70 by Embarrassment to KTMF on August 7, 2012
Oooooh turned her back on the Bushala three? Maybe s’yllehs witchcraft spells only work on the weak. The strong have broke away. I predict the apartment which is in the FPD parking lot will soon be vacated. Run run as fast as you can, you can always catch a witch with her broom fleeing. Doesn’t take much. More details coming on the self proclaimed witch who lives in the FPD parking lot.
#71 by Embarrassment to KTMF on August 7, 2012
Oooooh turned her back on the B 3? Maybe s’yllehs witchcraft spells only work on the weak. The strong have broke away. I predict the apartment which is in the FPD parking lot will soon be vacated. Run run as fast as you can, you can always catch a witch with her broom fleeing. Doesn’t take much. More details coming on the self proclaimed witch who lives in the FPD parking lot.
#72 by YOU GOT, GOT on August 7, 2012
THE B3 IS NOW B2, CHAFFE IS WEARING A BLUE SHIRT
#73 by Wrong Guy on August 8, 2012
Looks and sound like you have a personal vendetta with S. K.
Take it somewhere else!
#74 by Champion Master on August 8, 2012
He sounds like someone who pleasures himself by pushing the buttons of others, a damaged person.
#75 by Larry and Emil on August 7, 2012
Your mother did swallow, and she was good too!!
#76 by Larry and Emil on August 7, 2012
Those blue shirts are gonna make nice suvenirs after the fpd is disbanded.
#77 by Embarrassment to KTMF on August 7, 2012
Ain’t going to happen. Good luck with all your wishful thinking. Have another bong hit.
#78 by YOU GOT, GOT on August 7, 2012
LOOK’S MORE LIKE THE BUSCHALA THREE IS GONNA GET DISBANDED
#79 by Embarrassment to KTMF on August 7, 2012
Your true colors are showing and people are growing tired of your high school drama. Get a life and a job.
#80 by YOU GOT, GOT on August 7, 2012
OH YEA HEAVY ACCENT LADY
LOVE HER!!!
#81 by Embarrassment to KTMF on August 7, 2012
Another yllehs follower. Mixing up those spells in the parking lot of the FPD.
#82 by YOU GOT, GOT on August 7, 2012
OH YEA AND SHE CRACKED ON BANKHEAD!!!
LOVE HER SHES A HOT TAMALE!!!
#83 by Larry and Emil on August 7, 2012
Because you have been correct so far…No recall, no release of tape, no criminal charges, no one fired, fullerton citizens will forget…..Too bad all you fpd supporters did not get so fired up after KT was murdered by 6 of your own
#84 by Larry and Emil on August 7, 2012
“Get a life and a job” is that the new motto of the soon to be former fpd ktmf? I like it!
#85 by YOU GOT, GOT on August 7, 2012
http://www.ocregister.com/news/department-367745-fullerton-police.html
AND THE SPIN BEGINS
#86 by YOU GOT, GOT on August 7, 2012
SPEAKER 43!!!!
DON BEEZY IN THE HIZ HOUSE!!!
AND AWAKE AFTER 10:45
#87 by plain ornery on August 7, 2012
I sure hope that all the business owners and merchants in Fullerton display a BIG sign in their front windows advertising their support for the FPD.
This will help me,my family and friends to ensure that we don’t spend any $money$ in your establishment.
Your position should be a good point of discussion at your next CLUB meeting, especially after about (3) glasses of “Old Blabber Mouth”.
BTW Does the Slide Bar supply the liquor for the Chamber of Commerce mixers?
#88 by John Doe on August 8, 2012
Sore loosers…go home!
#89 by Anonymous on August 7, 2012
I am a long time resident of Fullerton and am absolutely in favor of getting a preliminary estimate from the OC Sheriffs Department. This is an issue that is an economic one as opposed to a political one. Fullerton is knee deep in debt and if we can save millions by bringing in the sheriffs, then I say at least get the estimate and then analyze it.
It struck me at the council meeting tonight that most of the folks in the room were police or friends of. They must be scared shitless to turn out like this.
I think change is at hand and they know it…….
#90 by Franklin on August 7, 2012
if you were a longtime resident you would not be talking “economics” regarding our police dept… unless, of course, your politics dictate you seeing everything through that lense… so, yes, it is about politics – for you!
#91 by Anonymous on August 7, 2012
Franklin, I am a long time resident of Fullerton and I am one of the folks paying for the police department. It definitely is an economic issue when my city is on the verge on bankruptcy. There are most definitely political overtones to this issue but that is not what is driving my decision to support at the least an estimate for service by the sheriffs department.
Sounds to me like this is touching a political nerve for you. Since you don’t know me or what I am thinking, keep your kindergarten psychological analysis pointed towards yourself……….
#92 by Anonymous on August 7, 2012
I forgot to add one more thing, I think the blonde known as “Spunky” has some real issues that she needs to discuss with a shrink. Wow, that is one mixed up lady.
#93 by Sika on my face on August 7, 2012
Tony Bushala is from the league of shadows, We shall call him Bane”I’m doing this for the people”.
#94 by YOU GOT, GOT on August 7, 2012
THESE FFFF’ERS ON THE COUNCIL ARE SINGING A DIFFERENT TUNE. WHEN FACED WITH GETTING THE BOOT COME NOVEMBER!!!
#95 by YOU GOT, GOT on August 7, 2012
KIGER STICKS TO HIS GUNS
#96 by Larry and Emil on August 7, 2012
So his is what lights a fire under the arses of fpd and supporters, self preservation! Not that a man was murdered by 6 of your own, women molested by on duty fpd, wrongful incarcerations, destruction of evidence, theft, lying under oath. Self preservation, now everyone see’s the fpd for what they are, frightened, self serving, opportunists
#97 by Rocky Raccoon on August 8, 2012
Proof all of what you said and you win the. $50,000 question.
#98 by Rocky Raccoon on August 8, 2012
i mean prove.
#99 by JustUs on August 7, 2012
Wow! Sebourn really stabbed you Fullertonians in the back. He ran on change and now he’s acting just like the 3 stooges who got voted out. Didn’t take Sebourn long to go to the other side, eh??? Maybe it’s time to recall him. He sold you people a bill of goods. The other side already got to him. American politics at it’s best. None of them can be trusted. None of them.
#100 by missed it on August 7, 2012
what did Sebourn do? what happened?
#101 by Anonymous on August 7, 2012
I was just going to ask the same thing…………….
#102 by JustUs on August 7, 2012
They voted on whether to take a bid from OCSD for services. Only Whitaker and Kiger approved. Quirk, Chafee and Sebourn voted it down.
I thought Sebourn was the big reformer. ha.
What happened?
More muddy water. I would love to be a fly on the wall where the backroom deals are made.
#103 by Duchess II on August 7, 2012
If I recall correctly, Sebourn said during the election that he’d have to take a look at all the facts before even thinking about getting rid of the PD. Sorry, I guess he’s a man of his word.
#104 by WE WON! WE WON! IN YOUR FACE BUSHALA! on August 8, 2012
This is a win for the citizens of Fullerton. We get to keep to keep our good old home grown cops like Ofc. Hampton who lives in Los Angeles.
Sure our streets will look like busted up shit and we’ll probably have to declare bankruptcy soon but at least we’ll have our own police department and this is all that really matters when you think about it.
So we would have saved 20+ million contracting with the OCSD but… they wouldn’t be Fullerton Police Cops.
The Fullerton PD means more to us than life itself. We owe our very being and existence to these men. Without them there would be no Fullerton.
We are not worthy to be in the same room as these great men.
#105 by Mmmmm on August 8, 2012
I love the taste of their boots as they stomp them onto my face forever. More please.
#106 by Anonymous on August 8, 2012
At least Chaffee got a shirt out of it. The only thing worse than that clownish display was seeing Don Bankhead make a comment. Go away old man.
#107 by Rocky Raccoon on August 8, 2012
Fullerton has never been in the red and they never will. I have seen their books.
#108 by Greg Diamond on August 8, 2012
Sebourn’s position made sense. He wants the information (even though it’s pretty useless this far ahead of the contract negotiation), but he thinks that he can get it otherwise, and he saw a downside to poking the FPD in the eyes this far ahead of contract negotiations. I prefer Chaffee’s position, but I can respect Sebourn’s.
#109 by van get it da artiste on August 8, 2012
too bad Fullerton Police Officer Cicinelli didnt see the downside of poking Kelly Thomas in the eye with his taser
#110 by Greg Diamond on August 8, 2012
You’ve read my criticisms of Cicinelli, right? Yeah, “too bad” is an understatement.
#111 by Snakes on August 8, 2012
The preliminary OCSD analysis failed on a 3-2 vote. Chaffee/Quirk/Sebourn against Whitaker/Kiger
Sebourn didn’t see the urgency of doing it now since FPOA has 3 more years on their contract.
#112 by Anonymous on August 7, 2012
Well, there you have it Fullerton. Unions still rule. Enjoy cutting them their checks.
#113 by Rocky Raccoon on August 8, 2012
Thanks!
#114 by missed it on August 7, 2012
Well, I guess what happened was that FPOA got all of its members and their families out. They crowded the chambers and lobby, all wearing identical “I heart Fullerton police” shirts. They spoke one after the other endlessly about their record of service and other lies. Sebourn couldn’t take the pressure or he thinks that cops and their families represent the city more than the taxpayers.
#115 by Duchess II on August 7, 2012
Nope. Not all of them. One of them did wrist surgery on me once.
#116 by missed it on August 7, 2012
Whoever they were, they’re deluded or dishonest. This was merely a vote to get a bid. The time to speak against going with OCSD would be if its actually being proposed, not when someone is just wondering how much money it would save.
#117 by Duchess II on August 8, 2012
That’s your opinion, and I respect it.
#118 by Rocky Raccoon on August 8, 2012
Give it up. 3-2. SHHHH!
#119 by Rocky Raccoon on August 8, 2012
Isnt that what Ron Thomas and his mob do? The police department couldn’t take the pressure and buckled.
#120 by ISPY on August 7, 2012
Who paid for the free blue shirts or from what campaign funds? Anyone know.
#121 by YOU GOT, GOT on August 7, 2012
FPD 45, TEAM BUSCHALA 0
#122 by You know on August 8, 2012
Kelly Thomas would have really wanted one of those blue shirts, and he would have wanted to give our fine boys in light blue a second chance.
Seriously, WTF?
#123 by Art Pedroza on August 8, 2012
By the way, does anyone know why Sharon Quirk-Silva is campaigning in Santa Ana?
http://ocpoliticsblog.com/why-is-65th-a-d-candidate-sharon-quirk-silva-campaigning-in-santa-ana/
#124 by Greg Diamond on August 8, 2012
She’s attending a labor breakfast and (presumably) a fundraiser that happen to be in Santa Ana. You think that people can’t raise money or cultivate supporters out of district?
#125 by van get it da artiste on August 8, 2012
isn’t sharon quirk silva gunning for election to state assembly? No one will accuse quirk silva of being a Dixiecrat
#126 by YOU GOT, GOT on August 8, 2012
you fat bald bozo, shave your child molester beard YOU ARE LIKE 70years old. and get a bigger book.
you look funny a fat man reading from a tiny book!!!
#127 by Greg Diamond on August 8, 2012
The book was an “insider joke” hat tip.
You may realize by now that this kind of comment makes me laugh and gives me more examples of how, beyond a kernel of rationality, FFFF can be a total horror show.
If that’s what you intend to do, good job!
#128 by Fullerton Lover on August 8, 2012
SSSSSSSSSilva’s pandering and promising to the special interests of the Orange County Employee’s Association is more like it.
#129 by Tuco Ramirez on August 8, 2012
Great city council meeting. Coffman beat them all. Now Fullerton citizens will never have an idea of how bloated the cost of their police force is compared to another force. So next order for kiger and Whitaker would be to compare Fullerton costs to that several nearby Orange County cities. My guess is that its still 20 – 25% too high!
A city by city comparison of certain metrics of cost could be performed by the city manager Joe Felz and his staff. Help can be obtained through the Chapman University Public Administration MBA program. Seek and ye shall find!
#130 by Anonymous on August 8, 2012
It’s about 15% adjusted per capita to meet the median for North OC. That’s $6MM a year . . .
#131 by Duchess II on August 8, 2012
Isn’t Fullerton part of a cost analysis survey to possibly combine the PDs into one big North OC force?
#132 by Rocky Raccoon on August 8, 2012
Just got home from the council meeting. Sweet smell of victory. FPD thanks for the shirt.
#133 by Refreshing for once on August 8, 2012
To hear people address the council that know how to speak, that actually prepare something in advance and don’t just talk out of their ass.
Suck it FFFF’rs
#134 by cost analysis on August 8, 2012
Nice show of solidarity but on who’s dime? the fullerton taxpayers? http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/gallery/m8f6hh-b78990841z.120120807213918000gr519li3o.1.jpg
#135 by Johnny Donut on August 8, 2012
It was fun to see Larry Bennett team up with the cop union again. Just like old times!
#136 by Hmmmm on August 8, 2012
Why are Ron and Hughes so chummy now. I noticed Hughes was not listed in the lawsuit. Wasn’t Hughes in charge that night?……..hmmmm??????
#137 by bank on FPD on August 8, 2012
hahahahahahahahaahahahahaha FFFF blog lost huge….
#138 by Larry and Emil on August 8, 2012
Sadly, much like every other book you have “seen” you couldn’t read it, you just look at the pictures…..
#139 by Rocky Raccoon on August 8, 2012
Ha ha …feels good to be love. I know so much and youdon’t. Get your two clowncil. and go h
#140 by angelo on August 8, 2012
WHAT ELSE IS NEW.
#141 by angelo on August 8, 2012
CHEAPER FOR US, COSTLY FOR THE FPD. NO MORE SHAKEDOWNS. NO MORE DISABILITY PENSIONS. IT’S SAD.
#142 by Anonymous on August 8, 2012
I thoroughly enjoyed watching the Bushala Three get bitch slapped by the silent majority last night. I was happy to see their half-baked proposal get shoved right back up Tony’s ass. Kiger is going to end up having the shortest political career since that pope that got poisoned! Go fuck yourselves 4F douchebags!
#143 by van get it da artiste on August 8, 2012
heard the bad news on the news, so the city council will not consider helping the community of Fullerton by not considering disbanding FPD, murder incorporated, by not even considering contracting with the OC Sheriff.
Even if this shift from FPD to OC Sheriff is not that cost effective, the reputation of the FPD is mud due to its “culture of corruption”. and I had such high hopes for the new leadership, I still do and expect a change of hearts and minds for the better of our community.
#144 by Champion Master on August 8, 2012
“Hopefully you’re not replacing the old with the new and sort of recycling personnel,” said Fullerton resident and Cal State Professor Jonathan Taylor. “It seems to me that the best alternative would be (to hire) a police chief that understands the nature of the problem of police brutality and is unwilling to tolerate it in the department.”
“In which case he added, the color of the uniforms is irrelevant.”
Fullerton City Council Considering New Police Force
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/08/orange_county_sheriff_fullerto.php
#145 by Champion Master on August 8, 2012
Promoting EVIL, must stop.
#146 by Champion Master on August 8, 2012
Not passing off the Cities problems to the rest of the world for a couple years would be a plus.
#147 by Disgusted on August 8, 2012
Do you think such a candidate actually exists?
#148 by Jt on August 8, 2012
I was strongly in favor of getting a bid though. I hope this will be reconsidered again. There is no downside to inquiring about potential cost savings.
#149 by van get it da artiste on August 8, 2012
yes, that is an ideal solution. However, it would be one against a force that has fed on a culture of corruption since the 1990′s due to its long time leader, progenitor of its corruption, retired Fullerton police chief Pat McKinley.
No matter how remarkable a new , improved , ethical police chief hired to lead the Fullerton PD, he or she would find him or herself in a war of attrition due to the entrenched Fullerton police officers who owe their loyalty and policing philosophy to good old boy Pat McKinley.
just my opinion
#150 by gone fishin' on August 8, 2012
What the heck? We don’t even get a proposal that doesn’t even make c$ents! Talk about a bunch of crooks! Need more investing reporting and people writing and publishing the facts and educating what we are paying for.
#151 by King Rodney on August 8, 2012
Looks like Tony’s money didn’t actually buy the PD like he hoped. Ron Thomas doesn’t even want the Sheriffs. At least Ron can see thru the Tony BS and has a brain. Good work council. Time to move forward.
#152 by Good News on August 8, 2012
All you goons claimed Tony was buying councilmen. Admit it that was a lie.
#153 by Tony's goon on August 8, 2012
No, Tony just got out bid.
#154 by King Rodney on August 8, 2012
Also good to see the council has no fear of Tony and his cronies. Time to move into the future with confidence and trust. Like Coffman said, if you want to cut costs maybe at least ask the city manager or Chief? No. That’s not Tonys style. He buys the things he wants.
#155 by JustUs on August 8, 2012
Why so much denial here?
Sebourn stroked you to get into office and now that he’s got his seat shoved it right up your backsides. Boy, he talked so tough about FPD before he got elected. Remember? You memories aren’t tht short, are they? He talked like he was really going to tear FPD to pieces. And only ONE MONTH after his first meeting he turns around votes in favor of FPD. Folks, you’ve been had. Naturally you won’t do anything about it and the system will do what it does best. Serve the rulers and screw the citizens. When will you ever learn? Don’t ever listen to what they tell you. Always watch what they do. That will tell you everything that you need to know. Sad.
#156 by Champion Master on August 8, 2012
All they need is a piece of paper with numbers from Sheriff Sandra Hutchens, Council is just a formality. Hutchens has given Fullerton an option, the other OC cities dont have anymore, they are not taking any more cities.
The proposal would be good for future insight, and knowing the Cities position.
The Council should know those that show up at meetings represent themselves not the City as a whole.
Damn Tshirt whores, just kidding, doesnt look like they have much if any political influences anymore?
Im on the fence but, The City should know before deciding.
#157 by JustUs on August 8, 2012
I’m surprised that Ramos and Cicinelli and Wolfe didn’t show up wearing blue shirts last night.
The blue shirts only spoke with emotional arguments (“Oh, Officer Friendly is such a nice guy. He coaches my son’s soccer team”) None of their arguments were rational, logical or used common sense. None of them talked about how much FPD is costing you folks. None of them talked about all the lawsuits that have been generated by FPD. None of the them talked about FPD’s solidarity behind the cops who beat Kelly Thomas to death. Did even one Fullerton cop step forward and condemn what those cops did to Kelly Thomas? Not to my knowledge.
So there you go. Sure, you got rid of the 3 meatheads. But it’s still business as usual, isn’t it? You folks came so far. Please don’t backslide now. Fight back. Don’t let them steal your town from you again.
#158 by WTF on August 8, 2012
Why would they show up to support FPD? You don’t have a clue.
#159 by JustUs on August 8, 2012
I find it so bizarre that Ron Thomas wants to keep a department that murdered his son and then tried to cover it up.
Surreal.
#160 by King Rodney on August 8, 2012
JustUs. Ron never was against the whole PD. just wanted justice and some reform. He got that. He wants to move on with his money in hand.
#161 by Good News on August 8, 2012
So far there has been no justice and no reform. There won’t be until Quirk is gone for good.
#162 by John Doe on August 8, 2012
Ron will leave and will never be seen again. He will walk with much less dough than he wanted. Karma will get you. The officers will do good, cause they didn’t do anything wrong. Kelly died case he was a sick man. And you Ron will get yours.
#163 by I Own Fullerton on August 8, 2012
You saw politics at its finest last night. Why would they vote to piss off the voting majority last night? Political suicide. They are politicians. Now they will say they support the bid but not until the November vote. It’s not that hard people.
#164 by FPD RULES on August 8, 2012
FFF=FAIL
#165 by gone fishin' on August 8, 2012
Seaborn wont be getting my vote come anytime soon. We still have an election this fall. Its not over yet my friends. We will still get another chance to vote them out of office in November. The election is the starting point and we have time and money on our side. I for one was reluctant to show my face for fear of the cops here in Fullerton. Iam not going to put my family in harms way. I live here and I know other people feel the same way as I do. We can still vote the bums out in November from the safety of a voting booth.
#166 by gone fishin' on August 8, 2012
Hey in November we can vote the cop lovin’ Hippocrates out of office!
#167 by gone fishin' on August 8, 2012
Yo. Its not over yet. Remember the election in November? Its far from over and seaborn will see the light unless he wants
Hey. Its not over yet. Seaborn will see the light or the door will hit him in the ass on his way out. Remember the elections this November! Citizens get to vote in the fall with out a bunch of cops in silly blue t shirts memorizing there faces and names. Most of the Fullerton cops and there supporting cast members from last night don’t live here in town and cant vote in the November elections. Our time is yet to come my friends.
#168 by Greg Diamond on August 8, 2012
Please. Even I will get more votes from commenters on FFFF than Sebourn will this November. Largely that is because he is not on the ballot.
#169 by Larry and Emil on August 8, 2012
fpd tipped thier hand and it gained them a pyrrich victory, now we know whom to vote out in november election, the council members not even the least bit interested in saving the tax-payers any money that they would vote against doing a simple cost analysis. These clowns came out of the woodwork and showed thier callous disregard for the tax-payers of fullerton. Now we can move forward with resolute purpose
#170 by Embarrassment to KTMF on August 8, 2012
Who is this “we” you speak of? It was quite clear the majority of Fullerton want too keep their police. Voting out Seabourn and Chaffey for listening to the people. You are one screwed up Paramecium.
#171 by The Fullerton Harpoon on August 8, 2012
It’s clear that 140 cops and their wives (and ex-wives) want the to continue on the $37,000,000 gravy train. Most of them don’t even live in Fullerton.
#172 by Anonymous on August 8, 2012
Whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night, sweetie.
#173 by Fullerton Lover on August 8, 2012
As a regular attendee of City Council meetings, I can tell you that 95% of the people I saw last night in blue t-shirts were first timers there to lobby the city council.
The last time I saw something somewhat similar, was a couple of weeks ago when the bar called Bootleggers wanted to expand. Lots of first timers and out-of-towners at that City Council meeting also.
#174 by Kimchi Boogaloo on August 8, 2012
The folks in blue were mostly certified members of the FPOA Culture of Corruption and thier relatives.
#175 by Larry and Emil on August 8, 2012
The we I speak of is me, you, and the badge bunny doing your old man. the only majority in fullerton interested in keeping fpd are powder blue shirt wearing oportunists, who foolishly tipped thier hand far too soon
#176 by Larry and Emil on August 8, 2012
What’s 2+2? that ought to keep you busy for awhile.
#177 by Larry and Emil on August 8, 2012
Relax, everything is still the same as it was the day before yesterday fpd and thier cronies are celebrating a pyrrich victory. Now the true majority, the tax paying citizens of fullerton have no misconceptions of the priority of fpd, self preservation and to hell with the tax payers that have to pay for it.