A Tale of Five Killings


See those guys over there? They didn't do it!

I wonder if I’m the only person who sees the irony in the way law enforcement has pursued the recent killings of homeless men in north Orange County, versus how they dealt with the murder of Kelly Thomas – another helpless, homeless man.

An army of cops was mobilized to locate the murderer of four homeless men in and around “The Canyon” area of Anaheim. Without getting into the details of the capture of the suspect, I note that the police and DA Tony Rackauckas were only too willing to immediately discuss and share evidence about the recently nabbed suspect. Charges were brought, post haste. Forensic evidence studied? Naw. Lab tests performed? Of course not. Has the Coroner weighed in? Hell, that could take months! Why wait?

Now consider the murder of Kelly Thomas, a killing captured on government-controlled video, a killing witnessed by dozens of people who will testify that Thomas offered no resistance and that he was physically intimidated by Ramos and piled on by three other cops. We waited for 10 long weeks while the the Coroner did some sort of forensic work or other, even though it was known from blood samples taken at UCI that Kelly was not intoxicated.

The DA made a big deal about all the witnesses his investigators interviewed; but, what the DA was really doing is now pretty clear to me. It looks to me like he was working the system as hard as possible to avoid making a case against the killers. Defending the cops and propping up the rickety justice system in this county must have been the mission. Wolfe? Exonerated. Blatney? Exonerated. Hampton? Exonerated. Craig? Exonerated. Rewritten reports? Who cares? Superiors covering up? Not his problem. True, Ramos and Cicinelli were eventually popped, but only after a public outcry never seen before in OC. And Cicinelly who allegedly knee-dropped and repeatedly face-smashed Thomas was given a laughable $25,000 bail. You get more for shoplifting.

Then, of course, there’s the wretched abuse of justice perpetrated against Veth Mam, and no doubt others like him rung up on false charges because it fits into some crooked or lazy cop’s path of least resistance.

Any doubts about who the DA is working for? I have some.

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  1. #1 by truthseeker on January 17, 2012

    Amazing how they practically declared martial law complete with checkpoints. The whole key to this thing is like you stated “government controlled” Guess what? We aren’t!

    • #2 by fullerton lover on January 17, 2012

      …I gleaned this article from the LA Times to show just how effective all of that overtime for all of those police at those roadblocks and checkpoints were in cracking this murder case…

      Roadblocks were set up, and twice — in Placentia on Jan. 10, and in Yorba Linda three days later — Ocampo drove through them without arousing suspicion; he was calm, authorities said.

      Prosecutors said he appeared to drive through the police checkpoints deliberately, the last time just hours before his arrest.

  2. #4 by Johnny Donut on January 17, 2012

    When you KNOW you want to charge someone, it only takes the DA a day or two.

    The 10 weeks was spent trying to figure out how NOT to charge them.

  3. #5 by Fred on January 17, 2012

    Yes Tony the serial killing of 4 sleeping men with 50 stab wounds each and the Kelly Thomas death sure seem to be carbon copies. Great post and observations, once again.

    • #6 by Anonymous on January 17, 2012

      Yeah, and cops are honest people, sworn to protect. Themselves. Wake up.

      http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lapd-crash-20120117,0,4495591,full.story

    • #7 by truthseeker on January 17, 2012

      Fred murder is murder. HOWEVER THERE IS NOTHING MORE ABHORRENT THAN WHEN THE GOVERNMENT SUMMARILY EXECUTES IT’S OWN CITIZENS. Such was the case with Kelly. The post is right on the money. The irony in BOTH events is that is was the PUBLIC’S involvement that forced the outcomes. For the recent murders members of the PUBLIC caught and chased down the killer. For Kelly the members of the PUBLIC forced charges and arrests. One thing is certain-the people still have alot more power than the establishment wants us to beleive.

    • #8 by The Fullerton Harpoon on January 17, 2012

      Yeah. Thomas was killed by men sworn to uphold the law, not some crazy loon. Glad you picked up on the distinction.

  4. #9 by Lifesaving Service on January 17, 2012

  5. #10 by Fred on January 17, 2012

    • #11 by Anonymous on January 17, 2012

      dead link

    • #12 by SherBear on January 17, 2012

      I’ve only met one of the Bushala’s and if the others are the same then yes, they are kind and giving.

      But once again, deflect-deflect-deflect. Such a tired tactic to attack Tony and his family when there is no defense of the three idiots, the police abuse and the waste-of-space D.A. :::yawn:::

    • #13 by nipsey on January 17, 2012

      Wilma called, she said the stone age wants you back. Thanks and adios.

    • #14 by karma on January 18, 2012

      Jane :
      We make Ron Thomas a celebrity and this is the thanks we get! What do you expect from a former cop?

      Jane-Ron (or anyone for that matter) has never been my Pied Piper. I think that this is one of the sickest things i have read here in recent days.

      Who is “we”? certainly not me! A celebrity? Seriously? Ron never asked for a fan club, he just asks for justice of the death of his son. I don’t know the man, but I want justice for Kelly also whether Ron is or isn’t an Ex-Cop, and ex- trash man or Bozo the Clown. Does that mean I don’t want change for Fullerton? It isn’t one or the other for me. it is both.

      Back on topic: The DA will cover the asses of the LEO (rather than prosecute them) because he needs them, he doesn’t want to shit in his own political nest. It is that simple.

      • #15 by karma on January 18, 2012

        I don’t know how, but this post should be at the bottom after Jane’s post. my apologies. Admin can move it if you so wish. thx

  6. #16 by Diane K. on January 17, 2012

    Great post. Great comparison. Great job, FFFF. As usual.

    • #17 by Anonymous on January 17, 2012

      I agree. This is a great post Joe. Instantly felt the same way when the DA had a press conference earlier. The contrasts are telling. All that justification for ultra secrecy in the Kelly Thomas case appears now as nothing more than a ruse.

  7. #18 by Tuco Ramirez on January 17, 2012

    I am convinced if people did not have a huge outcry over the Kelly Thomas murder, that the DA would have found nothing wrong at all. Either no charges or misdemeanor charges. The big uproar resulted in DA Rack finally making charges. And frankly, Wolfe is the luckiest guy in Fullerton PD, he should have been charged and may be in a federal lawsuit. By making the two charges, the DA is hoping to prevent a Federal lawsuit which would make him look bad in the year just before his re=election. Go figure!

    • #19 by One for the books on January 17, 2012

      I don’t think the DA had a choice but to charge Ramos and Cicinneli since he knew the FBI was investigating and would most certainy find civil rights abuses! Also, let’s not forget the medical findings that were disclosed to the public by Ron Thomas and Garo Mardirossian. Those are irrefutable facts!

    • #20 by Donkey on January 17, 2012

      And you would be right Tuco!! T-Rack is a POS when it comes to administering justice to his LE chums that have commited crimes, but he is willing to pile on any number of charges when a non-connected citizen is in his sights.

      Look at how he charged Ramos with the stiffer crime and lets Cincinelly, who actually murdered Kelly, off with a slap in his one-eyed face.

      You should get a Pulitzer for this one Joe!! ;)

  8. #21 by fullerton lover on January 17, 2012

    …follow the cash and find the trash!
    http://www.ocvote.com/election/get_file.asp?name=Rackauckas

  9. #22 by Rain on January 17, 2012

    I heard the killer of the four homeless men is charged with “special circumstances” (i.e. to allow consideration of the death penalty), for crimes which on their face suggest that the perpetrator is totally insane.

    Whereas, the six Fullerton policmen who murdered Kelly Thomas were in the middle of their ordinary (outlandishly overpaid) work a day job duties and yet they attacked and murdered a man who was “well known” to them, for all of his limitations, but also certainly for his long time predictable NON-threatening demeanor.

    If ANYTHING involves “special circumstances” of evil-mean intent and prejudice and hatred, it is the murder committed by the Fullerton Policemen, rather than the homicidal insanity of a former (drummed out of the service) soldier, who visciously-crazily-multiple stabbed several homeless men in their sleep.

    DA Tony Rackauckas’ JOB is to correctly figure out the criminal charges which fit the crime committed. It seems that Rackauckas is not only corrupt in his dishonest biased favoritism, but it seems that he is incompetent-stupid and the type of CREEP who would use false tactics for obvious self-aggrandizement and I suppose future campaign purposes – throwing around his “tough on crime” death penalty charges among brain dead (or stupidly uninformed – like me) voters.

  10. #23 by Erin on January 17, 2012

    We really need to put the pressure on Tony Rackauckas, letting him know that the people of Fullerton and ALL over the world WILL NOT accept anything but FULL prosecution of all the cops who were there when Kelly was murdered.

    • #24 by Marlena on January 18, 2012

      All of 6 must have charges brought against them.

      • #25 by Marlena on January 18, 2012

        Sorry double post..

    • #26 by Marlena on January 18, 2012

      I agree, charges must be brought against all involved. NOW

  11. #27 by One for the books on January 17, 2012

    I am more interested in what the FBI will do in the wake of the DA’s prosecution!

    • #28 by karma on January 18, 2012

      I am beginning to think there is no FBI investigation, maybe they are as corrupt as the DA, or so it seems. I hope I am wrong.

      Karma doesn’t really need help, but it would be nice to have faith in the judicial system as a perk….for a change.

  12. #29 by The Associated Press on January 17, 2012

    A day before he died, Berry had filed a report with police saying he believed someone was trying to follow him. It was one of nearly 600 leads and tips that officers received.

    “It is unfortunate that we didn’t get to him before the suspect did,” Anaheim Police Chief John Welter said.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HOMELESS_HOMICIDES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

  13. #30 by Wrong Guy on January 17, 2012

    Ron Thomas must have pryed out of the DA why he pressed minimal charges on only two of the officers.
    Wonder what his thoughts are?

  14. #31 by fullerton lover on January 17, 2012

    Fred :
    Yes Tony the serial killing of 4 sleeping men with 50 stab wounds each and the Kelly Thomas death sure seem to be carbon copies. Great post and observations, once again.

    Both had nothing but “contempt” in their hearts for their victim(s).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt

    • #32 by Lifesaving Service on January 17, 2012

      malice aforethought n.
      1) the conscious intent to cause death or great bodily harm to another person before a person commits the crime. Such malice is a required element to prove first degree murder. 2) a general evil and depraved state of mind in which the person is unconcerned for the lives of others. Thus, if a person uses a gun to hold up a bank and an innocent bystander is killed in a shoot-out with police, there is malice aforethought.

  15. #33 by cg on January 17, 2012

    If T-Rack does not win, I will vote for a monkey, before I vote for T-Rack.
    If these murders happend in Fullerton, they would have put them under the carpet. Our LE sucks, they don’t know what to do with real work. They only know how to beat up people.

    • #34 by nipsey on January 17, 2012

      Wait I thought Ratcaucus wasn’t going to run for DA agai- Oh.

      • #35 by cg on January 17, 2012

        So, the monkey is in…..

  16. #36 by Lifesaving Service on January 17, 2012

    Lawyers are known to be Champions.

    The Code of Chivalry

    Live to serve King and Country.
    Live to defend Crown and Country and all it holds dear.
    Live one’s life so that it is worthy of respect and honor.
    Live for freedom, justice and all that is good.
    Never attack an unarmed foe.
    Never use a weapon on an opponent not equal to the attack.
    Never attack from behind.
    Avoid lying to your fellow man.
    Avoid cheating.
    Avoid torture.
    Obey the law of king, country, and chivalry.
    Administer justice.
    Protect the innocent.
    Exhibit self control.
    Show respect to authority.
    Respect women.
    Exhibit Courage in word and deed.
    Defend the weak and innocent.
    Destry evil in all of its monstrous forms.
    Crush the monsters that steal our land and rob our people.
    Fight with honor.
    Avenge the wronged.
    Never abandon a friend, ally, or noble cause.
    Fight for the ideals of king, country, and chivalry.
    Die with valor.
    Always keep one’s word of honor.
    Always maintain one’s principles.
    Never betray a confidence or comrade.
    Avoid deception.
    Respect life and freedom.
    Die with honor.
    Exhibit manners.
    Be polite and attentive.
    Be respectful of host, women, and honor.
    Loyalty to country, King, honor, freedom, and the code of chivalry.
    Loyalty to one’s friends and those who lay their trust in thee.

  17. #37 by Steve Brow on January 17, 2012

    The similarity in the Ocampo case and in the Kelly case is the level of public involvement in enforcing the law.

    The Kelly case happened where I lived from 1960 to 1977 and where I did business from 1980 to 2011. The Ocampo case happened from where my wife’s family lived from 1966 to present and where I lived from 1977 to 2004.

    Very different cases. Clear loyalties for T-Rack in the Ocampo case, confused loyalties for T-Rack in the Kelly case.

    • #38 by Lifesaving Service on January 17, 2012

      ???????

  18. #39 by cg on January 17, 2012

    Occupoo is at the dam. Go join the party.

  19. #40 by Anonymous on January 17, 2012

    How about a big thank you to the Guardian Angels for showing up to help? Also with resources from 3 different police agencies, Anaheim, Brea, and Placentia, why didn’t they take Mr. Berry seriously and keep him under surveilance or refer that information to the Guardian Angels?

    • #41 by streets of fullerton on January 17, 2012

      The Guardian angels after anouncing that they would be patrolling didn’t seem to be around according to many near the area of the slaying. They where emailed immeadiatly after thier announcement to coordinate and help around the transportation center but where never heard from.

  20. #42 by Tom Hanson on January 17, 2012

    Another excellent post. Those that are supposed to serve us, serve themselves first.

  21. #43 by Anonymous on January 17, 2012

    Wrong Guy :
    Ron Thomas must have pryed out of the DA why he pressed minimal charges on only two of the officers.
    Wonder what his thoughts are?

    Minimal charges. where have you been?

  22. #44 by Jeffrey Castaline on January 18, 2012

    Does anyone have the current court schedule for the officers accused of killing Kelly Thomas?

  23. #45 by van get it da artiste on January 18, 2012

    and again this question goes unanswered from life-long Fullerton resident and CEO of the Orange County Human Relations Commission(OCHRC), Rusty Kennedy, how did the long pattern of Fullerton police brutality, perjury, false arrest, sexual molestation against the community of fullerton go without notice or mere comment from Rusty Kennedy?
    Rusty Kennedy’s OCHRC’s mission is to act as a clearing house and mediator between the community’s complaints of civil rights abuses commited upon them by the community’s police force.
    Rusty Kennedy seem to be oblivious to the horrific pattern of his very own community’s police force civil rights abuses against the good people of Fullerton. And this is very perplexing as the only member of law enforcement on Rusty’s OCHRC board was Fullerton Police Chief Pat McKinley.
    Rusty Kennedy pulls down a six figure tax dollar subsidized annual salary, and while the Fullerton Police were romping and stomping on the good people of Fullerton, Rusty’s OCHRC was staging award ceremonies for extremely local human rights activists

  24. #46 by Jane H on January 18, 2012

    Nastiness Continues as Fullerton Recall Effort Nears Deadline

    “As the signature deadline approaches in the campaign to oust three Fullerton City Council members, there are name-calling, accusations of illegal actions and allegations that underlying motives don’t jibe with the stated intent of the recall effort.”

    http://voiceofoc.org/oc_north/article_93679a6e-418c-11e1-b275-001871e3ce6c.html

  25. #47 by Jane on January 18, 2012

    But he’s not thrilled with Bushala and Thompson either. “I think, honestly, they were using Kelly as a platform.”
    He said “bad blood” existed between the Bushala and council camps before his son’s death. “Then, with all of this with Kelly,” it gave them ammunition to use in a recall that really is about issues that have nothing to do with Kelly Thomas.
    “I haven’t talked to them in quite awhile,” Ron Thomas said last week. The recall is “clearly a separate agenda item for them.”

    We make Ron Thomas a celebrity and this is the thanks we get! What do you expect from a former cop?

  26. #48 by chikanon on January 18, 2012

    keeeep up the good work,….

    how bout community gardens, yea yea?

  27. #49 by Cristóbal García on January 18, 2012

    This is a national problem of the highest order of importance. The so-called new government powers were granted by the Congress using fear of the terrorists. All these municipal, state, and Federal police departments depend upon the fear of the public of the police department. Even worse, the district attorneys operate as gate keepers to the Justice department. We need to eliminate the gatekeeper. If we can have these decisions made by a sitting grand jury instead of the district attorney, we have a jury of our peers deciding who would be arrested and who would not be pursued based on the law and preponderance of evidence. A sitting grand jury would reflect the sentiment of the community that it serves. As things stand we are no closer to a responsive police department now as we were before. We need a leader, a real leader to get things moving in the direction of freedom and equal justice for all. Although it seems that the municipal government is…ahem…unresponsive, the real problem is that we can’t even get these bad police officers before a jury. Let’s get the system changed in such a manner that decisions to prosecute are not dependent on a district attorney but instead upon our fellow citizens, friends, and neighbors.

    • #50 by Jane H on January 18, 2012

      “Let’s get the system changed in such a manner that decisions to prosecute are not dependent on a district attorney but instead upon our fellow citizens, friends, and neighbors.”

      That is a step in the right direction.

  28. #51 by Anonymous on January 18, 2012

    Jane :
    But he’s not thrilled with Bushala and Thompson either. “I think, honestly, they were using Kelly as a platform.”
    He said “bad blood” existed between the Bushala and council camps before his son’s death. “Then, with all of this with Kelly,” it gave them ammunition to use in a recall that really is about issues that have nothing to do with Kelly Thomas.
    “I haven’t talked to them in quite awhile,” Ron Thomas said last week. The recall is “clearly a separate agenda item for them.”
    We make Ron Thomas a celebrity and this is the thanks we get! What do you expect from a former cop?

    Former cop? When? Where? Nobody, but Ron Thomas knows.

  29. #52 by k on January 18, 2012

    Mr. Bushala, you are a moron. The DA already filed charges against the Fullerton Officers; so stop trying to revive all your dramatics by constantly bringing it up…over….and over….and over. The sad part is, even after these Officers are charged, the only thing you can result to is allegations, conspiracy theories, and political agendas. Give it a rest already and let the justice system run it’s course. My guess is a JURY won’t even convict these Officers once all evidence does come to light. Evidence will show Thomas was NOT a GENTLE soul, and was a schitzophrenic that would do as many schitzophernics do, and that is snap and become agressive at the flip of a light switch.

    I do believe if the evidence does show wrongdoing by the Officers, then they should be punished accordingly. However I am not going to make any assumptions about what happened based on cell phone videos of Thomas screaming 50ft away, nor am I going to make decisions based on some tweakers on a bus saying the the cops are “killing” Thomas.

    And for someone who claims to know SO much about the justice system, then you should know that the reason why any videos and other evidence hasn’t been presented to the public yet is because it is…….EVIDENCE. You cannot make it public until the case had run its course, otherwise you taint any possible trial, and lose any possible convictions.

    As stated above, you are a MORON. I cannot wait for this trial to be done with so your site can fade back into it’s original state, which unimportant and virtually non-existent.

    • #53 by Joe Sipowicz on January 18, 2012

      Tony didn’t write this post. I did. And I am disgusted and offended that it took two and a half months to arraign Ramos and Cicinelli; I am disgusted and offended that Cicinelli received a measly $25,000 bail after pounding a man’s face into mush; I am disgusted and offended that the other four cops who participated in the killing got no charges at all; I am disgusted and offended that the DA evidently saw nothing wrong with the cops re-writing their reports, coached by their superiors.

      Tweakers and cell phones? The murder was captured on the City’s security camera.

      Nobody cares about your “guesses” about Kelly Thomas.

      Please stop calling people moron, moron.

    • #54 by merijoe on January 18, 2012

      K- You didnt fall out of the stupid tree, you were dragged thru the dumbass forest.

      Obviously, you work for the devil or you wouldn’t say or think any of the lunatic ravings that you commented on above. There WAS wrong doing by those gestapo friends of yours-they beat and tased an innocent man-you jackal-I know what my eyeballs see and I believe the witnesses, I didnt know you had Kreskin abilities and know that everyone of those witnesses are “tweakers” and even if they are that doesnt mean they arent telling the truth.
      And, so? its brought up over and over and over again.
      I would imaging so you and your buds who think its going to be forgotten will know its wont be-ever. Even after the trial. forget about it.
      And further, a human was murdered, if it was your kid, you’d bring it up over and over and over until justice was served.

      I didn’t like seeing Kelly’s face looking like hamburger meat, and there is no excuse for that, or that he was tased over and over again-oh the medical reports show that in case you think Im a tweaker too.

      The the writers of this blog are courageous with souls, unlike you.

    • #55 by Donkey on January 18, 2012

      K, you can put can put your LE propaganda right back into the sewer where it came from, rational citizens have the ability to reason for themselves. You however refuse to stand up to people that misuse the power the people have given to the types that murdered Kelly! ;)

    • #56 by Tuco Ramirez on January 19, 2012

      Hey k
      you seem to be an expert on schizophrenics. And an expert on calling people morons. But I know you are an expert at cell phone videos and leaving out important evidence like the Fullerton security camera at the bus station. This all leads me to conclude that you work for the City of Fullerton in just another one of its poorly run bureaucratic departments. Get back to work and do something worthwhile!

    • #57 by Janet Hsuing on January 23, 2012

      K, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Even if Kelly Thomas were capable of violence, there was no need to beat him to death. We have all seen the video of this beating, and we have all seen the photographs of his face. There is no justification for what these police did whatsoever. They should all be fired without any severance and prosecuted for murder. THAT would send an appropriate message to any policeman in the future who is tempted to betray the public trust and grossly abuse their authority.

  30. #58 by truthseeker on January 18, 2012

    Murder, lies, and a coverup plain and simple. Defense attorneys can make Mother Theresa look like an ax murderer to a jury. The world knows better.

    • #59 by Lifesaving Service on January 18, 2012

      ****************Repost for troll k**********************
      “All levels of U.S. Government have corruption but, intentionaly breaking a handcuffed citizens fingers, Deriliction of duty, Political maneuvering for personal gain, Outright torture of young, old, and the very unfortunate, would really make Satan open his checkbook and smile.”

      Pressures to conform to certain aspects of “police culture”, such as the Blue Code of Silence, which can “sustain an oppositional criminal subculture protecting the interests of police who violate the law”[9] and a “‘we-they’ perspective in which outsiders are viewed with suspicion or distrust”[8]
      command and control structures with a rigid hierarchical foundation (“results indicate that the more rigid the hierarchy, the lower the scores on a measure of ethical decision-making” concludes one study reviewed in the report);[10] and
      deficiencies in internal accountability mechanisms (including internal investigation processes).[8

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_brutality

      Evil is the violation of, or intent to violate, some moral code.
      Evil is usually seen as the dualistic opposite of The Good. Definitions of evil vary, as does the analysis of its root motives and causes; however, evil is commonly associated with conscious and deliberate wrongdoing, discrimination designed to harm others, humiliation of people designed to diminish their psychological well-being and dignity, destructiveness, and acts of unnecessary or indiscriminate violence.” -Wikipedia

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil

      You should ignore trolls but, sometimes I answer so they wont succeed. He or she is self projecting and confirming their biased ignorance.

  31. #60 by Injustice Conquerer on January 18, 2012

    Anonymous :

    Wrong Guy :Ron Thomas must have pryed out of the DA why he pressed minimal charges on only two of the officers.Wonder what his thoughts are?

    Minimal charges. where have you been?

    Where have I been? WTF? I’ve been here since last August. Why do you ask. Do you not think the charges brought only against two cops was minimal? Wake up!

    • #61 by Lifesaving Service on January 18, 2012

      In the context of The Orange County Californias D.A.s office, and its lack of history. “It is one small step for Fullerton, One GIANT step for MANKIND”

      Fullerton does have a very rich and wonderful Aerospace History.

  32. #62 by J on January 18, 2012

    That ‘k’ idiot above must not have read your entire post, Joe.
    The key points in this post:
    1) I note that the police and DA Tony Rackauckas were only too willing to immediately discuss and share evidence about the recently nabbed suspect. Charges were brought, post haste. Forensic evidence studied? Naw. Lab tests performed? Of course not. Has the Coroner weighed in? Hell, that could take months!
    2) Now consider the murder of Kelly Thomas, a killing captured on government-controlled video, a killing witnessed by dozens of people who will testify that Thomas offered no resistance and that he was physically intimidated by Ramos and piled on by three other cops. We waited for 10 long weeks while the the Coroner did some sort of forensic work or other, even though it was known from blood samples taken at UCI that Kelly was not intoxicated.
    3) just read the entire post above, ‘k’! Even though your a sick psychopathic ‘swinehole’ that can’t handle the truth.

  33. #63 by Anonymous on January 19, 2012

    Injustice Conquerer :

    Anonymous :

    Wrong Guy :Ron Thomas must have pryed out of the DA why he pressed minimal charges on only two of the officers.Wonder what his thoughts are?

    Minimal charges. where have you been?

    Where have I been? WTF? I’ve been here since last August. Why do you ask. Do you not think the charges brought only against two cops was minimal? Wake up!

    Its all gonna come out and you are gonna feel like a dumb ass!

  34. #64 by Anonymous on January 19, 2012

    J :
    That ‘k’ idiot above must not have read your entire post, Joe.
    The key points in this post:
    1) I note that the police and DA Tony Rackauckas were only too willing to immediately discuss and share evidence about the recently nabbed suspect. Charges were brought, post haste. Forensic evidence studied? Naw. Lab tests performed? Of course not. Has the Coroner weighed in? Hell, that could take months!
    2) Now consider the murder of Kelly Thomas, a killing captured on government-controlled video, a killing witnessed by dozens of people who will testify that Thomas offered no resistance and that he was physically intimidated by Ramos and piled on by three other cops. We waited for 10 long weeks while the the Coroner did some sort of forensic work or other, even though it was known from blood samples taken at UCI that Kelly was not intoxicated.
    3) just read the entire post above, ‘k’! Even though your a sick psychopathic ‘swinehole’ that can’t handle the truth.

    “K” everything you said was the truth. These haters are mad cause they cant handle the truth…You told it like it is. Good for you!!

    • #65 by Black-eyed Susan or Lazy Susan? on January 19, 2012

      Yes. We hate injustice and entrenched corruption. The FPD needs a strong dose of antibiotics. The Three Withered Wanks can’t or won’t do it.

      So we’ll have to find somebody that can.

      RECALL!

    • #66 by Hee Said Haw on January 19, 2012

      Yah haw. The truth will set y’all free! Sez so in the Good Book. Y’all gonna be free ‘n ahm a gonna be outta a job.

      Ahmen Brothas ‘n Sistahs!

      Donchy’all be haters!

    • #67 by merijoe on January 19, 2012

      Anonymous the Coward. “the haters are mad cause they cant handle the truth”

      Expect to bust hell wide open along with K, Ramos, Cicinelli, Hampton, Craig, Blatany, Wolfe, various other copkickers and all those who cover and continue to cover for the FPD monsters.

      And, repeating this to you because you obviously are insane in the membrane also, no one cares about what your thoughts are or what you think is the truth, in your twisted, hateful, violent mind.

      Troll and coplicker

  35. #68 by Cristóbal García on January 19, 2012

    All this conversation stuff is like towel snapping down in the boy’s shower. Why can’t be just cut to the chase and put a petition out there to remove the district attorney as the gatekeeper to justice and replace him with a citizen’s committee to decide whether or not a person is prosecuted or not. All of those delays and coverups and other wrongful things would not have happened. There would have been no need to remove municipal officials, etc Can’t we get a plan going to correct this thing instead of all this wheel spinning? If we had this system already we would have six police officers up on charges and a jury deciding whether these six are guilty or not. You can replace anybody you want but until changes are made this problem will go on and on.

    • #69 by Rain on January 19, 2012

      Cristobal, a “citizens’ committee” would be an anonymous mob, whereas DA Tony Rackauckas is “easily” known and his record can be exposed and criticized and, through elections, he can be replaced.

    • #70 by fullerton lover on January 19, 2012

      T-Rack is in elected office until 2014. He has stated that when his term expires, he will run again and hope to be our District Attorney all the way until 2018.

      That means that the only way that the voters of Orange County could rid themselves of T-Rack before that time, is to petition to have him recalled from elected office by gathering signatures of at least 10% of registered voters who voted in the last election for Orange County District Attorney.
      According to the procedure to recall an elected official, the only requirement for voters to recall someone from elected office is because voters are dissatisfied with the job that they are doing. No more. No less.
      People like Molly McClanahan and Larry Bennett who have gone on record as saying that the only reason that an elected official can be recalled from elected office is malfeasance or some other level of criminal conduct, is nothing but an out and out lie that can be easily proven by anyone tha bothers to read this link to the California Secretary of State’s Office…

      http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/recall.pdf

  36. #71 by AntiCorruptionUnit on January 19, 2012

    Interesting post that is for sure.

    I see the cop trolls are still poking fun at the readers and still hiding behind the keyboard.

    It must be a terrible thing to be scared of your boss and the public, and have to hide your cheerleading efforts.

    I do believe the FBI is in a holding pattern for now, let’s not assume they won’t be doing anything until THEY SAY it’s over.

    If the FBI is satisfied the DA is moving ahead they will wait. There is no statue of limitations on murder. I am not sure what the statue of limitations is on Civil Rights violations?

    I will bet money that one or more of the 4 cops not charged with Kelly’s death, WILL be a witness for the prosecution. The DA might have made them a witness instead of a defendant just for that reason.

    Not prosecuting the lessor of the evil happens all the time. You let the little guys walk in order to fry the bigger fish. Most of you should see that in the drug wars. It is what it is folks. SORRY!!!

    You should also know that the internal administrative investigation is a different animal than from a criminal investigation.

    Legally speaking the DA doesn’t tell the Chief what he expects the outcome to be in the administrative investigation, and the Chief doesn’t tell the DA what he wants to see in the criminal investigation. Politics being another issue in itself.

    Are politics part of this case, NO DOUBT!!!

    What is glaring and clearly unexplained is how 2 cops are charged with serious felonies, but the other 4 cops are exonerated in the administrative investigation???? SOMETHING is not right about all that.

    Actually it’s much easier to punish bad conduct through the administrative process than the criminal one.

    To watch a clear and excessive use of force and do NOTHING to stop it, and be exonerated is simple BS at it’s finest.

    Just about every agency has policies on the books to cover these types of problems, and the policies are pretty tuff and have more than a few CATCH ALL phrases contained in them.

    But’s it’s possible FPD doesn’t based on Rincon’s case.

    HERE is the catcher.

    It is VERY possible officers 4, 5 & 6 did roll up AFTER the serious beating took place and DID not see conduct take place that rose to the level of criminal responsibility.

    Sorry folks it does happen.

    IF, I say IF they all sat down at the station and watched the video from the pole camera that the DA speaks about, it was at that TIME, EACH and everyone of them were now in fact aware that a CRIME had taken place.

    Officers 4,5,6, have now seen what they say they didn’t realize took place. THEY cannot claim ignorance.

    The next question is did officers, 4,5,6 complete ANY PORTION of a crime report as to their actions in this case?

    If in their reports they claim they saw nothing illegal take place, but watched the video at the station, then they completed a false report and that is a crime under California law.

    Watching that video IF THEY did, changed the dynamics of this situation dramatically.

    If these cops told their boss THEY didn’t see Kelly getting his ass kicked, then whoever was in charge, should have watched the video first by himself to see if those cops were lying or telling the truth.

    If those cops were telling the truth, then there was NO NEED to have them watch the video as it simply compounds the problem across the board.

    This alone might very well be why the DA has decided NOT to prosecute the others involved.

    It’s obvious the DA doesn’t want to take out ALL the trash on this case.

    When you bring in a group of cops and have them watch a video before their paperwork is complete on an incident, wanting everyone to be on the SAME PAGE is a cover up in the making.

    Any good cop knows witnesses view things differently, cops are witnesses just like citizens.

    I leave you with this. Did the DA’s office in interviewing the 150 plus wittnesses he claims to have allow them to WATCH the video before interviewing them officially?

    I doubt it!!!

  37. #72 by AntiCorruptionUnit on January 19, 2012

    If anything EVEN close to this happened, and the DA knows it, and is doing nothing about it because of POLITICS, he too needs to have his head on a stick.

    I am sorry to say this would be selective prosecution at it’s finest.

    I might have missed it, but I don’t remember the DA telling the public there was NO COVER UP and FPD did a fine job as part of the investigative team.

    Would it be acceptable to prosecute Ramos and Cincinelli only when there are others equally evil in this case?

    What happened behind the scenes is as important as what happened to Kelly.

    If the DA is giving anyone a PASS for attempting to cover this mess up in anyway, the DA has NO credibility in anything he says. KICK his ass to the curb NOW!!!

    But if the DA plays to ruff, the POLICE unions in the county might band together to oust him if he attempts to run for office again.

    I’ll say the police unions and many of those who support them.

    The DA might not want to bite the hands that feed him TOO HARD!!!!!

    If the defense attorneys know any of this and want to ROCK the boat, it might be enough to create reasonable doubt and obtain a NOT GUILTY for their clients. That is their job.

    Is it possible a SHITTY investigation was put together with a bigger scheme in mind? VERY POSSIBLE, I’ve seen it more than once.

    I am sure a few bloggers here will be in the courtroom when this thing goes to trial. Some of you are very smart.

    YOU will be able to see in a short amount of time if the Deputy DA prosecuting this case has resolve and conviction in the way he/she is handling their business.

    PAY attention and PLEASE let us know.

  38. #73 by promote goodrich on January 19, 2012

    There is no way that the officers will be found guilty at trial…Not in the good old, pro cop loving OC

    • #74 by Lifesaving Service on January 19, 2012

      But the video will be out in the Pre trail set for March 28, 2012.

  39. #75 by AntiCorruptionUnit on January 19, 2012

    Lifesaving Service :
    But the video will be out in the Pre trail set for March 28, 2012.

    NEWS FLASH, be real surprised if the pre-trial goes as schedule.

    Someone needs more time to milk the system for a few thousands dollars more, and if the oven is still to hot, they will wait a little longer.

    I am surprised that motions to dismiss the charges as filed have not been submitted by defense counsel.

    But again, maybe no one wants to put a log on the fire just yet.

  40. #76 by AntiCorruptionUnit on January 19, 2012

    The DA by not charging the other 4 simply avoided that pile of crap coming out in a public forum and possibly tainting the entire case.

    Could be the DA is protecting certain others from exposure.

    If the DDA handling the case doesn’t say anything, then hopefully either will the defense attorney’s.

    Will the DDA and defense attorney’s talk off the record? YOU bet. And neither side will revial what was talked about.

    I don’t know John Barnett that well, I can’t say anything bad about him.

    Michael Swartz and his law firm is another story all together.

    I will talk about that later on.

    • #77 by Reality Is on January 20, 2012

      Swartz is the best. Give him a million and he will get any cop off any charge. Ooops you will see him at trial. He’s the best. I heard he married Tony Rack’s daughter too.

  41. #78 by Anonymous on January 19, 2012

    merijoe :
    Anonymous the Coward. “the haters are mad cause they cant handle the truth”
    Expect to bust hell wide open along with K, Ramos, Cicinelli, Hampton, Craig, Blatany, Wolfe, various other copkickers and all those who cover and continue to cover for the FPD monsters.
    And, repeating this to you because you obviously are insane in the membrane also, no one cares about what your thoughts are or what you think is the truth, in your twisted, hateful, violent mind.
    Troll and coplicker

    The cops dont care that you are bad mouthing them, they are use to it. The only one that is insane in the brain is you. The real people know what I am talking about. You are just an insert to make this blog more jucier.

    • #79 by Fred Alcazar on January 19, 2012

      “more jucier”??

      GED dead giveaway!

    • #80 by merijoe on January 20, 2012

      Juicier? like Tropicana fresh squeezed?

      So, tell us figments of everyone’s imagination what the “real people” know that we hallucinations don’t.

  42. #81 by AntiCorruptionUnit on January 19, 2012

    If the DA is not charging the other 4 because he doesn’t want to expose the intial stages of the cover up, that is malfeasance in itself.

    You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

    Put other questionable prosecutions together, frying ALL the fish in one pot, you might have your case.

    A quote from the Penal Code.

    148. (a) (1) Every person who willfully resists, delays, or
    obstructs any public officer, peace officer, or an emergency medical
    technician, as defined in Division 2.5 (commencing with Section 1797)
    of the Health and Safety Code, in the discharge or attempt to
    discharge any duty of his or her office or employment, when no other
    punishment is prescribed, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding
    one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail
    not to exceed one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment.

    Did Chief Sellers or ANYONE if FPD “obstruct” another public official,ie the District Attorney of Orange County by having the officers in the Kelly Thomas murder complete police reports or give statements contrary to what the video evidence depicts?

    If the answer is YES, then they too should have been prosecuted for a violation of PC 148(a) and all other applicable laws.

    Maybe the feds will do that portion of this scandal. It’s possible.

    If they were not, then the DA is guilty of malfeasance. Just that simple.

    Throwing the street cops under the bus in order to protect higher ranking officials is as bad as it get’s in the political corruption game.

    Seller’s immediate retirement and Hamilton’s short tenure simply throw up serious red flags in making such an argument.

    If the rank and file of FPD know that, and are allowing that to happen, they have no clue of what a “brotherhood” is all about.

    A deal could have been forged with the other 4 just to keep them quiet.

    Do you think Sergeant Goodwrench is aware of such issues, YOU bet. He probably already talked with defense attorney’s, and instructed them WHERE not to go if they want FUTURE business with FPD.

    Lawyers are easily swayed when it comes to big money flowing into their law firms.

    If this is happening, I wonder if the average rank and file FPD member even has a clue?

    Ramos and Cincinelli won’t know what happened until it’s to late.

    Only a fool let’s others walk who are equally guilty, especially those who try and cover it up, THEN throw you under the bus when you player THEIR game from the get go.

    Go to prison and deal with bubba everyday to protect inept crooks like Sellers, or those who don’t mind that we kick ass, but are now throwing us under the bus to protect themselves.LMOA!!

    Like I said before, MOST cops are not that smart when you take a close look.

    • #82 by Fred Alcazar on January 19, 2012

      Yeah, I agree with what you wrote. Except that I don’t think Ramos or Cicinelli are going to be patsies. I think their cases were designed to fail.

    • #83 by Reality Is on January 20, 2012

      You know no one is going to be charged with a silly 148 misd charge. Dumb.

      • #84 by Lifesaving Service on January 20, 2012

        When somebody dies, it doesnt matter, the 148, stacking stupidity over and over will get you, ousted.

  43. #85 by Lifesaving Service on January 19, 2012

    “148. (a) (1) Every person who willfully resists, delays, or
    obstructs any public officer, peace officer, or an emergency medical
    technician, as defined in Division 2.5 (commencing with Section 1797)
    of the Health and Safety Code, in the discharge or attempt to
    discharge any duty of his or her office or employment, when no other
    punishment is prescribed, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding
    one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail
    not to exceed one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment.”

    Reminds me of the apparent EMT on this FFFF Blog, throughly pissed about what happened and how they DELAYED him from leaving with Kelly Thomas, for a Supervisor due to a Tazer use report. The EMTs apparently left on their own without the FPD permission, THAT WAS STUPID BEYOND BELIEF. Though they did stop killing him when the ambulance arrived, according to a videoed witness interview.

  44. #86 by Lifesaving Service on January 19, 2012

    Color of Law Abuses

    During 2009, the FBI investigated 385 color of law cases. Most of these crimes fall into five broad areas:

    Excessive force;
    Sexual assaults;
    False arrest and fabrication of evidence;
    Deprivation of property; and
    Failure to keep from harm.
    U.S. law enforcement officers and other officials like judges, prosecutors, and security guards have been given tremendous power by local, state, and federal government agencies—authority they must have to enforce the law and ensure justice in our country. These powers include the authority to detain and arrest suspects, to search and seize property, to bring criminal charges, to make rulings in court, and to use deadly force in certain situations.

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/color_of_law

  45. #87 by AntiCorruptionUnit on January 19, 2012

    Fred Alcazar :
    Yeah, I agree with what you wrote. Except that I don’t think Ramos or Cicinelli are going to be patsies. I think their cases were designed to fail.

    You beat me to the punch Fred. That was my next comment.

    Just a couple of charges for each defendant. Not a laundry list of charges you see with other prosecutions.

    Not too many land mines for the defense attorney’s to step over.

    I noted in the DA’s press conferance he really didn’t want to talk much about the other 4 cops or anything related to internal matters.

    Just wanted to talk about Ramos and the gloves.

    I am sure he touched up on his acting skills before appearing before the camera’s.

  46. #88 by AntiCorruptionUnit on January 19, 2012

    But those cops are patsies because they are having to go through all this, when guys like Sellers are at home enjoying his fat pension.

    Sellers can tell whatever story he wants to his friends, most of it laced with lies. He has his retirment badge and right to carry a firearm anywhere in the US, as a honorably retired LE Officer.

    That makes me a little sick to my stomach.

  47. #89 by 1776blues on January 20, 2012

    Thew rules change when the perps are the cops, a disgusting trend in the former free nation, which is now a police state. Cops are trained that we the people are a threat and want to hurt or kill cops.

  48. #90 by Outraged on January 20, 2012

    Obviously, nothing changes around here…same old stories, waaaaa and bantering. Boring. Pick something new to complain about, for once.

    • #91 by Anonymous on January 20, 2012

      nothing changes around here…same old stories, waaaaa and bantering. Boring. Pick something new to complain about, for once.

      Hate to break it to you my fluoride headed friend but you can’t turn reality off or change the channel. Reality is live and raw. Sometimes it will be boring and repetitive but unlike your favorite programs like Keeping up with the Kardashians or Jersey Show, you can’t skip over the boring parts.

      You have 4 choices 1) Don’t visit this site 2) Turn off all forms of outside communications like internet, phone, etc 3) Move to an isolated part of Montana or Wyoming. 4) Place it under your chin and eat it.

    • #92 by merijoe on January 20, 2012

      Why are you here, if you feel that way? You are the one who continously comes onto this site complaining that nothing changes, and calling everyone names without contributing anything-you obviuosly have the personality of a dial tone.

  49. #93 by We Are All One on January 20, 2012

    Excellent post.

  50. #94 by Reality Is on January 21, 2012

    Hello. :)

    • #95 by fullerton lover on January 23, 2012

      When do you plan on accepting Anti Corruption Unit’s challenge to debate?

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