Comments on: On the Agenda: November 17th, 2009 http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/on-the-agenda-november-17th-2009/ Friends for Fullerton's Future supports candidates and causes that promote intelligent, responsible and accountable government in Fullerton and Orange County Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:52:35 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: admin http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/on-the-agenda-november-17th-2009/#comment-6999 admin Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:21:36 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=8135#comment-6999 What's not being discussed (I hope) is to terminate the direct appointment process. Keller, Quirk and Nelson have all publicly agreed that direct appointments have allowed "them" to appoint people (diverse) to Committees/Commissions who under the old appointment process (Bankhead, Jones, Committee chair, Staff interview process) would NEVER have ever been appointed to any committee. To me, this is the meaning of diversity. What is being discussed is the way the at large applicants are handled. Interviews occur at almost every Council meeting, and quite frankly, I think they are getting tiresome. I went through this (Applicant Review Board) process for 3-1/2 years. Really and truly, what "they" should do is go to 5 member Committee/Commissions. What’s not being discussed (I hope) is to terminate the direct appointment process. Keller, Quirk and Nelson have all publicly agreed that direct appointments have allowed “them” to appoint people (diverse) to Committees/Commissions who under the old appointment process (Bankhead, Jones, Committee chair, Staff interview process) would NEVER have ever been appointed to any committee. To me, this is the meaning of diversity.

What is being discussed is the way the at large applicants are handled. Interviews occur at almost every Council meeting, and quite frankly, I think they are getting tiresome. I went through this (Applicant Review Board) process for 3-1/2 years.

Really and truly, what “they” should do is go to 5 member Committee/Commissions.

]]> By: uh oh http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/on-the-agenda-november-17th-2009/#comment-6997 uh oh Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:52:25 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=8135#comment-6997 Something tells me that Keller has plenty of time to do interviews. Something tells me that Keller has plenty of time to do interviews.

]]> By: Kindof A Party Hack http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/on-the-agenda-november-17th-2009/#comment-6995 Kindof A Party Hack Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:36:23 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=8135#comment-6995 Art, We realize Buena Park and Laguna Woods have councils made up of all retired people but for cities that would like to elect people that are still within their working life has it ever occurred to you that the council members that work dont have time to go to all these interviews? Oh, I get it. You think Bankhead and Jones should do all the interviewing and we will get all of their friends just like we used to in Fullerton. Meanwhile Quirk, Keller and Nelson will be at work where they are supposed to be. Art,

We realize Buena Park and Laguna Woods have councils made up of all retired people but for cities that would like to elect people that are still within their working life has it ever occurred to you that the council members that work dont have time to go to all these interviews?

Oh, I get it. You think Bankhead and Jones should do all the interviewing and we will get all of their friends just like we used to in Fullerton. Meanwhile Quirk, Keller and Nelson will be at work where they are supposed to be.

]]> By: Art Brown http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/on-the-agenda-november-17th-2009/#comment-6992 Art Brown Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:29:56 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=8135#comment-6992 In Buena Park the commission appointment are made as follows. 1. Application is filed. 2. When vacancy open or every two years when current commissioners come up for reappointment two members of the council and department head who oversees the commisiion interview all new applicants and members up ror reappointment. 3. appointments recommendations are sent to the council at study session and the full council votes accept the recomendations or reject. 4. If accepted at study session there is a public action at the next regular council meeting. It works well and there are not a lot of personal friends on any commission. In Buena Park the commission appointment are made as follows.
1. Application is filed.
2. When vacancy open or every two years when current commissioners come up for reappointment two members of the council and department head who oversees the commisiion interview all new applicants and members up ror reappointment.
3. appointments recommendations are sent to the council at study session and the full council votes accept the recomendations or reject.
4. If accepted at study session there is a public action at the next regular council meeting.

It works well and there are not a lot of personal friends on any commission.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/on-the-agenda-november-17th-2009/#comment-6959 Anonymous Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:44:21 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=8135#comment-6959 They have had a hard time finding people to volunteer for the commissions. It would be nice to see a few Friends at commission meetings. Most of them are what we used to call "blue hairs", although I'm gonna be there soon. They have had a hard time finding people to volunteer for the commissions. It would be nice to see a few Friends at commission meetings. Most of them are what we used to call “blue hairs”, although I’m gonna be there soon.

]]> By: Hollis Dugan http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/on-the-agenda-november-17th-2009/#comment-6956 Hollis Dugan Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:23:39 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=8135#comment-6956 Art, You miss the point. Councils regularly appoint friends. The issue is whether a 3 vote majority will get to control ALL the appointments for just their friends or if there will be "friends" from five different council members. Art,

You miss the point. Councils regularly appoint friends. The issue is whether a 3 vote majority will get to control ALL the appointments for just their friends or if there will be “friends” from five different council members.

]]> By: Joe Sipowicz http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/on-the-agenda-november-17th-2009/#comment-6949 Joe Sipowicz Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:48:01 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=8135#comment-6949 Oh, stop it Art. The City Council are the democratically elected reps. Why shouldn't they appoint whom they want? We elected them based on their judgment, right? In Fullerton these commissions don't pay much, if anything, to serve on. There's no Chicago corruption here. The alternative is let a bunch of staff-stooge types get on (which is mostly what happens anyway). I like it that Shawn Nelson can appont someone he thinks will do a good job. Of course the others want to strip independent council persons of this ability. The Joneses and Bankheads want to appoint zeros - just like themselves, who will rubber stamp whatever self-serving garbage the staff puts in front of them. Oh, stop it Art. The City Council are the democratically elected reps. Why shouldn’t they appoint whom they want? We elected them based on their judgment, right?

In Fullerton these commissions don’t pay much, if anything, to serve on. There’s no Chicago corruption here.

The alternative is let a bunch of staff-stooge types get on (which is mostly what happens anyway). I like it that Shawn Nelson can appont someone he thinks will do a good job. Of course the others want to strip independent council persons of this ability. The Joneses and Bankheads want to appoint zeros – just like themselves, who will rubber stamp whatever self-serving garbage the staff puts in front of them.

]]> By: Art Brown http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/on-the-agenda-november-17th-2009/#comment-6948 Art Brown Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:11:17 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=8135#comment-6948 Appointing commissioners is the only real chance councilmembers have to get their friends on a commission. Councils constantlly tinker with this if they feel they don't get to appoint the person they think is right for the job or owe a favor. Just like some city the cow burnt down. Appointing commissioners is the only real chance councilmembers have to get their friends on a commission. Councils constantlly tinker with this if they feel they don’t get to appoint the person they think is right for the job or owe a favor. Just like some city the cow burnt down.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/on-the-agenda-november-17th-2009/#comment-6927 Anonymous Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:30:05 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=8135#comment-6927 The process by which commissioners are interviewed and appointed was brought up at the last meeting and at a commission event. I'm not sure why it keeps ending up on the agenda except as noted above. The process by which commissioners are interviewed and appointed was brought up at the last meeting and at a commission event. I’m not sure why it keeps ending up on the agenda except as noted above.

]]> By: admin http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/on-the-agenda-november-17th-2009/#comment-6926 admin Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:03:24 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=8135#comment-6926 what was brought up, what is the issue? what was brought up, what is the issue?

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