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	<title>Comments on: Okay, Seriously. Why The 72nd Election Matters</title>
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		<title>By: Hollis Dugan</title>
		<link>http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/okay-seriously-why-the-72nd-election-matters/#comment-6821</link>
		<dc:creator>Hollis Dugan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dearest Jerbil,

We took a vote and you have been elected as the president of the American Association of Jerbils. The organization is dedicated to shilling for people that pay its members while they try to deny it and specifically focussed on mastery of the circular argument. The vote was unanimous as you are singularly qualified.

Probably not a whole lot of members but for certain you are the leader. We regret that your new duties will occupy most of your time and we will miss reading your &quot;I know you are but what am I&quot; themed comments. Good bye Jerbil and good luck. Just remember, in the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed are king. You will fit perfectly as president of your new group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dearest Jerbil,</p>
<p>We took a vote and you have been elected as the president of the American Association of Jerbils. The organization is dedicated to shilling for people that pay its members while they try to deny it and specifically focussed on mastery of the circular argument. The vote was unanimous as you are singularly qualified.</p>
<p>Probably not a whole lot of members but for certain you are the leader. We regret that your new duties will occupy most of your time and we will miss reading your &#8220;I know you are but what am I&#8221; themed comments. Good bye Jerbil and good luck. Just remember, in the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed are king. You will fit perfectly as president of your new group.</p>
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		<title>By: Hollis Dugan</title>
		<link>http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/okay-seriously-why-the-72nd-election-matters/#comment-6820</link>
		<dc:creator>Hollis Dugan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in too Retarted, however, whoever we get to run will also be a politician once he/she is elected. See the problem? Maybe we can all agree that so long as we are electing humans we will always have criticism.

The crowd here at FFFF has been pretty quick to call BS on Norby when he was considering running for Clerk. We raked him over the coals pretty good on that one. Linda Ackerman is justly getting slapped around due to her false statments about where she lives and her vocation.

Bottom line is we will accept someone who tries to do right for the people not his or her self, admits when he/she makes mistakes and does not need to lie to us when merely giving his or her resume</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in too Retarted, however, whoever we get to run will also be a politician once he/she is elected. See the problem? Maybe we can all agree that so long as we are electing humans we will always have criticism.</p>
<p>The crowd here at FFFF has been pretty quick to call BS on Norby when he was considering running for Clerk. We raked him over the coals pretty good on that one. Linda Ackerman is justly getting slapped around due to her false statments about where she lives and her vocation.</p>
<p>Bottom line is we will accept someone who tries to do right for the people not his or her self, admits when he/she makes mistakes and does not need to lie to us when merely giving his or her resume</p>
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		<title>By: The Fullerton Harpoon</title>
		<link>http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/okay-seriously-why-the-72nd-election-matters/#comment-6817</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fullerton Harpoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;maybe we should stop bitching, and start taking over? i think its time.&quot;

Hmm. What did you have in mind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;maybe we should stop bitching, and start taking over? i think its time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm. What did you have in mind?</p>
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		<title>By: itsallrelevantlyretarded</title>
		<link>http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/okay-seriously-why-the-72nd-election-matters/#comment-6814</link>
		<dc:creator>itsallrelevantlyretarded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so really, don&#039;t you just mean that at least we don&#039;t have to worry about another ridiculous sex scandal because it doesn&#039;t matter how much political clout you have, with a set of buck teeth like norby&#039;s, there won&#039;t be a problem? no offense guys, because i always appreciate you calling out the bs that surrounds us, but this sounds like a pretty bs paid advert for somebody who is just as inneffective as most of our representatives, regardless of their party. oc politics suck, plain and simple, you are very right about that. so why should i vote for any single person who&#039;s been involved in it thus far? because they are the lesser of 7 evils? maybe we should stop bitching, and start taking over? i think its time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so really, don&#8217;t you just mean that at least we don&#8217;t have to worry about another ridiculous sex scandal because it doesn&#8217;t matter how much political clout you have, with a set of buck teeth like norby&#8217;s, there won&#8217;t be a problem? no offense guys, because i always appreciate you calling out the bs that surrounds us, but this sounds like a pretty bs paid advert for somebody who is just as inneffective as most of our representatives, regardless of their party. oc politics suck, plain and simple, you are very right about that. so why should i vote for any single person who&#8217;s been involved in it thus far? because they are the lesser of 7 evils? maybe we should stop bitching, and start taking over? i think its time.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/okay-seriously-why-the-72nd-election-matters/#comment-6813</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical Tony Bushala -- unable to notice it was his pal Sipowicz who took an off-topic shot at me, and I responded. Too bad you and the rest of your ankle-biter buddies have to play by a double-standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical Tony Bushala &#8212; unable to notice it was his pal Sipowicz who took an off-topic shot at me, and I responded. Too bad you and the rest of your ankle-biter buddies have to play by a double-standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/okay-seriously-why-the-72nd-election-matters/#comment-6812</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kenlaysbraindead:

I&#039;m not advocating taking anything off-line. 

I have a standing invite to Joe to call me is he has any questions about where i stand on something, etc. -- rather than posting baseless allegations about me as if they are facts. 

Apparently, the buttons on his phone are too hard to press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kenlaysbraindead:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not advocating taking anything off-line. </p>
<p>I have a standing invite to Joe to call me is he has any questions about where i stand on something, etc. &#8212; rather than posting baseless allegations about me as if they are facts. </p>
<p>Apparently, the buttons on his phone are too hard to press.</p>
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		<title>By: Empathy over Elitism</title>
		<link>http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/okay-seriously-why-the-72nd-election-matters/#comment-6806</link>
		<dc:creator>Empathy over Elitism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;If you hold all pols to the same standard as you do Norby you may not have all that many people to vote for.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

haha alright, alright, Joe Sipowicz, you got me on that one. I am almost completely out of people to vote for...sadly. :(

&lt;i&gt;Would you have voted for Sharon Quirk in this election had she stayed in?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Same principle. I would only vote for her if I felt I had no other viable choice because everyone seems to think this is an acceptable standard of practice now. Besides, I&#039;m hoping that she&#039;ll be one of the few to keep Chevron from developing Coyote Hills before Sanchez grooms her along to greener pastures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;If you hold all pols to the same standard as you do Norby you may not have all that many people to vote for.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>haha alright, alright, Joe Sipowicz, you got me on that one. I am almost completely out of people to vote for&#8230;sadly. <img src='http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><i>Would you have voted for Sharon Quirk in this election had she stayed in?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Same principle. I would only vote for her if I felt I had no other viable choice because everyone seems to think this is an acceptable standard of practice now. Besides, I&#8217;m hoping that she&#8217;ll be one of the few to keep Chevron from developing Coyote Hills before Sanchez grooms her along to greener pastures.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Sipowicz</title>
		<link>http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/okay-seriously-why-the-72nd-election-matters/#comment-6804</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Sipowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A self-servin political manuever? Aw c&#039;mon, Empathy. Norby ran for supervisor against an entrenched incumbent, and won. Then he gave up his part-time Fullerton council gig. Big deal.

If you hold all pols to the same standard as you do Norby you may not have all that many people to vote for.

Would you have voted for Sharon Quirk in this election had she stayed in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A self-servin political manuever? Aw c&#8217;mon, Empathy. Norby ran for supervisor against an entrenched incumbent, and won. Then he gave up his part-time Fullerton council gig. Big deal.</p>
<p>If you hold all pols to the same standard as you do Norby you may not have all that many people to vote for.</p>
<p>Would you have voted for Sharon Quirk in this election had she stayed in?</p>
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		<title>By: Empathy over Elitism</title>
		<link>http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/okay-seriously-why-the-72nd-election-matters/#comment-6803</link>
		<dc:creator>Empathy over Elitism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;As for the Duvall seat, how is Norby to blame for this?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I haven&#039;t a clue. Is that what you&#039;re asserting because I sure didn&#039;t. An archived &lt;a href=&quot;http://articles.latimes.com/2002/nov/01/local/me-fullerton31&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LA Times article from 2002&lt;/a&gt; I linked to within another recent FFFF blog entry indicated that a &quot;special election&quot; was held for Norby&#039;s seat. I mentioned that the current election is also a special election and asked for additional details. Perhaps you didn&#039;t notice all those question marks working their punctuation magic in my post.  lol

&lt;i&gt;&quot;[18 years] too short a time for you?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re missing/obscuring the point. I was addressing a single elected term of office vacated prematurely.

&quot;If, as you seem to be suggesting, no one elected to office should ever run unless the term being seved is completed first&quot;

I tend to avoid such absolutes, hence my request for additional details of this &lt;i&gt;specific&lt;/i&gt; instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;As for the Duvall seat, how is Norby to blame for this?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t a clue. Is that what you&#8217;re asserting because I sure didn&#8217;t. An archived <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2002/nov/01/local/me-fullerton31" rel="nofollow">LA Times article from 2002</a> I linked to within another recent FFFF blog entry indicated that a &#8220;special election&#8221; was held for Norby&#8217;s seat. I mentioned that the current election is also a special election and asked for additional details. Perhaps you didn&#8217;t notice all those question marks working their punctuation magic in my post.  lol</p>
<p><i>&#8220;[18 years] too short a time for you?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re missing/obscuring the point. I was addressing a single elected term of office vacated prematurely.</p>
<p>&#8220;If, as you seem to be suggesting, no one elected to office should ever run unless the term being seved is completed first&#8221;</p>
<p>I tend to avoid such absolutes, hence my request for additional details of this <i>specific</i> instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Empathy over Elitism</title>
		<link>http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/okay-seriously-why-the-72nd-election-matters/#comment-6799</link>
		<dc:creator>Empathy over Elitism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-6790&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-6790&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Fullerton Harpoon&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
          Norby left the Council in the summer so his replacement could be included in the 2002 General Election. His decision saved the cost oof a separate election.

He avoided the cost of a special election that he would have otherwise forced us to incur? Not quite a &quot;savings,&quot; per se. 

OK then, thanks for responding to my question. As self-serving political maneuvers go, I suppose it could have been far worse.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-6790" rel="nofollow">The Fullerton Harpoon</a> :</strong><br />
          Norby left the Council in the summer so his replacement could be included in the 2002 General Election. His decision saved the cost oof a separate election.</p>
<p>He avoided the cost of a special election that he would have otherwise forced us to incur? Not quite a &#8220;savings,&#8221; per se. </p>
<p>OK then, thanks for responding to my question. As self-serving political maneuvers go, I suppose it could have been far worse.</p></blockquote>
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