Comments on: The List – Fullerton’s $100,000 Pension Club http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/fullerton-pension-club/ Friends for Fullerton's Future supports candidates and causes that promote intelligent, responsible and accountable government in Fullerton and Orange County Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:52:35 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Fullerton Harpoon http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/fullerton-pension-club/#comment-6326 The Fullerton Harpoon Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:03:28 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=1632#comment-6326 I don't see the connection. A second problem doesn't alleviate the first. I don’t see the connection. A second problem doesn’t alleviate the first.

]]> By: retired fullerton guy http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/fullerton-pension-club/#comment-6325 retired fullerton guy Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:42:28 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=1632#comment-6325 The drain isnot goverment workers. How much money would California have if we enforce the immigration laws? How about 10+ Billions? http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/dec/06/20041206-102115-6766r/ The drain isnot goverment workers. How much money would California have if we enforce the immigration laws? How about 10+ Billions?
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/dec/06/20041206-102115-6766r/

]]> By: Travis http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/fullerton-pension-club/#comment-2990 Travis Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:53:50 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=1632#comment-2990 I also agree that the blame lies not with the individual employees, but with the elected officials who pander to the employee unions. If our state returned to 2004 spending levels, California would have a budget surplus right now. $26 billion dollars has been added to the budget since then, and $6.3 billion of that came directly from state retirement system pension spending. Much of the rest of it came from other HR-related expenses (education, etc). There are simply too many people being paid too much money in the state of California. I also agree that the blame lies not with the individual employees, but with the elected officials who pander to the employee unions.

If our state returned to 2004 spending levels, California would have a budget surplus right now. $26 billion dollars has been added to the budget since then, and $6.3 billion of that came directly from state retirement system pension spending. Much of the rest of it came from other HR-related expenses (education, etc). There are simply too many people being paid too much money in the state of California.

]]> By: The Fullerton Harpoon http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/fullerton-pension-club/#comment-2989 The Fullerton Harpoon Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:42:23 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=1632#comment-2989 #36, you raise an excellent point. The blame should be shared by the Legislature; and by all the city councils competing with each other lavishing benefits on employees, particularly the "public safety" kind. Let's examine Garden Grove as a particulary perverse example: that council actually negotiated a deal with the cop union that their police would always be a certain county-wide rank as far as pay and benefits are concerned. Which meant that their pay would be automatically ramped up when any other city below them decided to get too generous. It's that kind of thinking that got us into the mess we're in today. #36, you raise an excellent point. The blame should be shared by the Legislature; and by all the city councils competing with each other lavishing benefits on employees, particularly the “public safety” kind.

Let’s examine Garden Grove as a particulary perverse example: that council actually negotiated a deal with the cop union that their police would always be a certain county-wide rank as far as pay and benefits are concerned. Which meant that their pay would be automatically ramped up when any other city below them decided to get too generous. It’s that kind of thinking that got us into the mess we’re in today.

]]> By: retired fullerton guy http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/fullerton-pension-club/#comment-2988 retired fullerton guy Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:11:15 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=1632#comment-2988 I think its funny how our financial problems of the state are blamed on goverment workers. Not the legislators who vote to spend money on unnecessary crap year after year, or the federal government (that has been run by both parties) that have let 20 million people drain the resources of our state and nation, or the voters who keep passing every wacky bond initiative on the ballot that our grandkids will have to pay for (talk about future liabilities). No let’s close the parks, the DMV, let the criminals out of jail early, don't stop the fraud, keep those entitlements coming, raise our taxes and lets screw the people that work for a living. I think its funny how our financial problems of the state are blamed on goverment workers. Not the legislators who vote to spend money on unnecessary crap year after year, or the federal government (that has been run by both parties) that have let 20 million people drain the resources of our state and nation, or the voters who keep passing every wacky bond initiative on the ballot that our grandkids will have to pay for (talk about future liabilities). No let’s close the parks, the DMV, let the criminals out of jail early, don’t stop the fraud, keep those entitlements coming, raise our taxes and lets screw the people that work for a living.

]]> By: Travis Kiger http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/fullerton-pension-club/#comment-2646 Travis Kiger Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:29:05 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=1632#comment-2646 Because, blue devil, those dollar figures represent <b>future liabilities</b> for work rendered in the past. Notice how your salary isn't printed as part of this article? Because, blue devil, those dollar figures represent future liabilities for work rendered in the past. Notice how your salary isn’t printed as part of this article?

]]> By: blue devil http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/fullerton-pension-club/#comment-2645 blue devil Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:54:59 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=1632#comment-2645 Travis, riddle me this, if this article isn't about the amount of compensation or how it was earned, then why is the amount of compensation and the position held to earn it posted?? Travis, riddle me this, if this article isn’t about the amount of compensation or how it was earned, then why is the amount of compensation and the position held to earn it posted??

]]> By: Travis Kiger http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/fullerton-pension-club/#comment-2567 Travis Kiger Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:57:01 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=1632#comment-2567 Sgt. Wiechmann, this article isn't about the amount of your compensation or how you earned it. The issue here is pensions themselves as a method of compensating city employees - they have proven to be risky, unpredictable and unsustainable. Pensions pay for services rendered in the past by pushing the costs along to future generations - costs that cannot be measured or contained. As it stands, Fullerton taxpayers will soon be paying out additional tax dollars in the middle of a recession to support your pension that you finished earning over 5 years ago. Sgt. Wiechmann, this article isn’t about the amount of your compensation or how you earned it. The issue here is pensions themselves as a method of compensating city employees – they have proven to be risky, unpredictable and unsustainable. Pensions pay for services rendered in the past by pushing the costs along to future generations – costs that cannot be measured or contained. As it stands, Fullerton taxpayers will soon be paying out additional tax dollars in the middle of a recession to support your pension that you finished earning over 5 years ago.

]]> By: Sgt. A. Wiechmann (Rtr'd) http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/fullerton-pension-club/#comment-2566 Sgt. A. Wiechmann (Rtr'd) Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:41:28 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=1632#comment-2566 Blue devil, you are my new best friend, thanks. By the Way, I am now a charter boat captain and owner of a 40' sailboat (only way I would ever make captain at FPD). Anyway, hit me up to go sailing and we can talk shit about those who did not chose their careers wisely. (I may have to get another tattoo with your name on it...very cool. Captain Art, of the sailing vessel PIRATE. Blue devil, you are my new best friend, thanks. By the Way, I am now a charter boat captain and owner of a 40′ sailboat (only way I would ever make captain at FPD). Anyway, hit me up to go sailing and we can talk shit about those who did not chose their careers wisely. (I may have to get another tattoo with your name on it…very cool. Captain Art, of the sailing vessel PIRATE.

]]> By: blue devil http://www.fullertonsfuture.org/2009/fullerton-pension-club/#comment-2565 blue devil Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:17:13 +0000 http://www.friendsforfullertonsfuture.org/?p=1632#comment-2565 Amen Sarge... How dare we are given above average retirement??? Answering the call when people are in their most desperate time, wrestling knives away from people attempting suicide, getting in fist fights with parolees at large... God damn us "Blue devils." We should burn in hell with the rest of the thieves. Amen Sarge… How dare we are given above average retirement??? Answering the call when people are in their most desperate time, wrestling knives away from people attempting suicide, getting in fist fights with parolees at large… God damn us “Blue devils.” We should burn in hell with the rest of the thieves.

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